this has appentley been bought by henry boot ltd with a view to selling on to TESCO who were ironically refused a while back...another residents revolt coming i think?

Well I live near there, and I'd welcome a Tesco. It'd be handy to have a decent shop near by (the Co-op is worse than useless) and it'd also be nice to have another petrol station since the Jet station at Aston often runs out of fuel for days on end.

I'm sure local people would welcome the aprox. 100 jobs a supermarket would create, too.

I suppose it all depends on how much land they've acquired behind the garden centre and how big the Tesco is goint to be.

The site is suitable for a Tesco - Tesco were going to buy it themselves but were refused planning permission after local residents protested.

The land has been bought by Henry Boot ( Hallam land) the house at the side of the garden centre has been bought by Tesco as the entrance to the site is poor and will not give good access or visibility with the current layout of the road. The land at the rear has conditions upon it for use as ammenity land or public open space. I think that the land which encompasses the footage of the garden centre buildings is hoped by the council to be taken by local shops,workshops etc. But a large payout to a fat cat councilor I am sure will be paid by Tesco to achieve change of use
So locals beware! prepare for congestion

Originally posted by Muggins
But a large payout to a fat cat councilor I am sure will be paid by Tesco to achieve change of use
So locals beware! prepare for congestion

If you know something we don't, go to the police.
If not shut the **** up.

Removed Swearing - Lickszz

Originally posted by Andyman
If you know something we don't, go to the police.
If not shut the **** up.



Whats your problem pal?

Originally posted by Muggins
The land has been bought by Henry Boot ( Hallam land) the house at the side of the garden centre has been bought by Tesco as the entrance to the site is poor and will not give good access or visibility with the current layout of the road. The land at the rear has conditions upon it for use as ammenity land or public open space. I think that the land which encompasses the footage of the garden centre buildings is hoped by the council to be taken by local shops,workshops etc. But a large payout to a fat cat councilor I am sure will be paid by Tesco to achieve change of use So locals beware! prepare for congestion
Sorry to dissapoint you, but despite the fact that the Planning system in Sheffield is well and truly apallingly broken, it isn't corrupt.

Originally posted by Muggins
Whats your problem pal?
TBH I agree with Andyman. What's the point of being so cynical? There's no need to make accusations without any shred of evidence.

Seems interesting that Tesco's have bought the house next door, the current planning permission will not allow a supermarket to be built, but improve the access (by buying up properties around there)and the planning will be reconsidered.

Originally posted by Tony
Sorry to dissapoint you, but despite the fact that the Planning system in Sheffield is well and truly apallingly broken, it isn't corrupt.


Sorry to dissapoint you too, but we are talking Rotherham Borough Council here!

Originally posted by Andyman
If you know something we don't, go to the police.
If not shut the **** up.

Removed Swearing - Lickszz

Touchy eh - you a councillor or maybe work for tesco?

Originally posted by mikey
Touchy eh - you a councillor or maybe work for tesco?

Wrong on both counts, just don't like morons such as MUGGINS making unfounded accusations about corruption.
As I said before, if he knows something take it to the police.

People have been taken to court for lesser accusations than this.

Perhaps the correct thing to do is inform Rotherham planning office and Tesco's development executive of Muggins' statement and see if he/she can back it up.

Someone got out of bed the wrong side today :rolleyes:

Originally posted by mikey
Sorry to dissapoint you too, but we are talking Rotherham Borough Council here!
Well the same goes for Rotherham, except that they have a better planning department than Sheffield. NEeer found any corruption in either when it comes to planning. I also think the same about Henry Boot, and I wouldn't imagine that Tesco would go near any form of bribery.

Companies like Tesco buy available land for 2 reasons.

A) To stop competitors building on it

B) To build on it themselves if planning permission can be obtained.

I must have mis read the Sheffield star hasn't a Rotherham councilor just been done for corruption over a land deal?

Originally posted by Muggins
I must have mis read the Sheffield star hasn't a Rotherham councilor just been done for corruption over a land deal?
I think that you have misread the Star. Gavin Reed was convicted of defrauding the Local Government Forum Against Poverty of £170k. Nothing to do with planning. After the "Donnygate" affair Local Authorioties seem to be generally terrified of being anywhere close to such situations. Not to say that it won't happen again tho :(
You will find that 99.9% of developers and planners are straight.

time will tell. if i lived nearby and had objections i would write to both tesco and the planning department concerned and ask them to clarify the situation.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/donn-m28.shtml

Just found this which clearly states that local councillors took bribes for processing planning applications.

Originally posted by mikey
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/donn-m28.shtml

Just found this which clearly states that local councillors took bribes for processing planning applications.
Bit of a clue in the name they gave the scandal 'Donnygate'. If it had been Rothergate or Sheffgate then some of these wild accusations may have been justified.

I was just relating to Tony's post...

You will find that 99.9% of developers and planners are straight.

Still South Yorkshire Max.

Originally posted by mikey
I was just relating to Tony's post...

You will find that 99.9% of developers and planners are straight.

Still South Yorkshire Max.
Still not Swallownest Mikey, that being the subject of this thread.

Max you know full well how threads digress, this was indeed originally about Swallownest and planning for a supermarket. The thread has gone on to discuss allegations of bribery and corruption in the property industry.

Back on topic, Swallownest Garden centre site does not have planning permission at present, but if the developers make it more attractive to the council then it will get through. Not necessarily with brown envelopes to individuals, but with offers to fund communtiy projects like playgrounds, open space areas, road improvements, school improvements then that could change the whole outcome.

Only time will tell;)

There was an article in tonights Star about another application for planning permission being submitted. It is for a supermarket, 2 retail units and car parking provision.

Originally posted by mikey
Max you know full well how threads digress, this was indeed originally about Swallownest and planning for a supermarket. The thread has gone on to discuss allegations of bribery and corruption in the property industry.

Back on topic, Swallownest Garden centre site does not have planning permission at present, but if the developers make it more attractive to the council then it will get through. Not necessarily with brown envelopes to individuals, but with offers to fund communtiy projects like playgrounds, open space areas, road improvements, school improvements then that could change the whole outcome.

Only time will tell;) Aha!! Now you are beginning to make a little more sense, but you have completely the wrong end of the stick.

You are talking about Section 106 Agreement's. This is where the COUNCIL insists that the developer stumps up cash towards local facilities, usually open space or parks. Developers often see this as a form of legal extortion, without which a planning applicaiton will not be granted. It often has bugger all to do with the applicaiton, and the money often just dissapears into the councils general coffers. Developers are now trying to insist that the Council identifies exactly where and on what the money will be spent. I bet that you didn't expect the developer to be the good guy :D.

There will definately be a S106A attached to any planning permission for this site, so don't run around thinking that it is some sort of secret deal.

This is NOT corruption or anything close. I am sure that you would not like to have to explain your accusations to Henry Boot or Tesco? :rolleyes:

Yes, the Tesco at Millhouses had that sort of condition - planning permission was granted only if Tescos paid for bus services to call in at the store, including the park and ride facility.

for those who are interested, there is a public meeting on Wed 3rd December about this planning application.
Those who have an intersest in this matter are urged to attend