Topic.

I usually have a punt, have won a few times as well.

Saturday April 4
Flintoff 66/1 looks a nice price

Hmm, ta for the tip.

Just had a look at the list of racers on William Hill's web site. Looks like some good racers this year.

Looking at a couple of quid either way on Flintoff, Butler's Cabin and another one.

Anyone know any good gambling sites that do Maestro cards without that annoying SecureCode nonsense?

Im having a punt on `State of Play` and `Southern Vic`

And usually a quid on the rank outsider.

Just had a look at the list of racers on William Hill's web site. Looks like some good racers this year.

Looking at a couple of quid either way on Flintoff, Butler's Cabin and another one.

Anyone know any good gambling sites that do Maestro cards without that annoying SecureCode nonsense?

If you are having trouble with that secure code, try the forgot your code button or its something like that, it will take you through a few steps but should work sound for you after m8.
Let us know how you get on :thumbsup:

Hers the full list of Horses
My Will
7/1

Butlers Cabin
10/1

Rambling Minster
10/1

Black Apalachi
14/1

Hear The Echo
14/1

State Of Play
14/1

Comply Or Die
16/1

Big Fella Thanks
20/1

Darkness
20/1

Irish Invader
20/1

Kilbeggan Blade
20/1

L'Ami
20/1

Parsons Legacy
20/1

Southern Vic
20/1

Himalayan Trail
25/1

Maljimar
25/1

Snowy Morning
25/1

Brooklyn Brownie
33/1

Cornish Sett
33/1

Offshore Account
33/1

Cloudy Lane
40/1

Nine De Sivola
40/1

Battlecry
40/1

Cant Buy Time
50/1

Silver Birch
50/1

Chelsea Harbour
66/1

Companero
66/1

Flintoff
66/1

Golden Flight
66/1

Idle Talk
66/1

Knowhere
66/1

Mon Mome
66/1

Niche Market
66/1

Patsy Hall
66/1

Preists Leap
66/1

Zabenz
66/1

Alexanderthegreat
100/1

Bible Lord
100/1

Dix Villez
100/1

Dun Doire
100/1

Eurotrek
100/1

Fleet Street
100/1

Iron Man
100/1

Kelami
100/1

Kings Advocate
100/1

Musica Bella
100/1

Nadover
100/1

Ollie Magern
100/1

Oodachee
100/1

Out The Black
100/1

Pak Jack
100/1

Pomme Tiepy
100/1

Puntal
100/1

Reveillez
100/1

Stan
100/1

Without A Doubt
100/1

Bagan
150/1

Beat The Boys
150/1

Fundamentalist
150/1

In The Loop
150/1

Seymour Weld
150/1

Tom Sayers
150/1

Arteea
200/1

Cerium
200/1

Le Toscan
200/1

Lord Killeshanra
200/1

Lysander
200/1

Malko De Beaumo
200/1

Mattock Ranger
200/1

Milan Deux Mille
200/1

Mont Misere
200/1

Pass Me By
200/1

Sandhurst
200/1

What you having Corker?

What you having Corker?

Think im going to go for Snowy Morning m8 what about you?
25-1

Ran a great race for a young horse to finish just over five lengths behind Comply Or Die in the 2008 National. Had been many peoples choice for that race on the publication of the weights but had blotted his copybook with a poor jumping performance in his National warm up at Fairyhouse. Doubts about his ability to jump round Aintree proved unfounded and Willie Mullins charge could be very strong contender in 2009, although following a fine second at Punchestown after Aintree his handicap mark is now 17lb higher than when he ran in the 2008 National so he will have to find quite a lot of improvement. The start to the 2008/09 season saw Willie Mullins question if Snowy Morning would go for the National in 2009 but he appears to have come round to the idea and the nine year old gelding looks set to try and improve on last year's great effort.

Im not into horse racing mate, but everyone has a few quid on the National. Ive no idea who to go for but I usually just pick a couple of names and stick with it. This year its `State of Play` and `Southern Vic`...any info on these little nuggets?

Im not into horse racing mate, but everyone has a few quid on the National. Ive no idea who to go for but I usually just pick a couple of names and stick with it. This year its `State of Play` and `Southern Vic`...any info on these little nuggets?

Southern Vic Odds & Grand National Form
25-1

Winner of a Grade One race in his novice year over fences much was expected of Southern Vic but after a couple of seasons where his career has not really gone to plan and injury has intervened, he has been refocused on the Grand National. Obviously the stable knows exactly what to look for in a Grand National winner and they managed to keep Papillon's form well hidden for most of the season prior to his National win so it would not be a major shock to see this horse improve markedly at Aintree. He does have a touch of class about him for a horse rated in the low 140s but the stable have always maintained that he needs soft ground to be at his very best so it must be doubtful he will be fully effective at Aintree if the going is good. His jumping is also something of a concern given his exit over the National fences in the Becher in November and the bad mistake he made when appearing to have every chance when running against Black Apalachi at Leopardstown in February. A very interesting contender but one with lots of question marks.

Southern Vic Odds & Grand National Form
25-1

Winner of a Grade One race in his novice year over fences much was expected of Southern Vic but after a couple of seasons where his career has not really gone to plan and injury has intervened, he has been refocused on the Grand National. Obviously the stable knows exactly what to look for in a Grand National winner and they managed to keep Papillon's form well hidden for most of the season prior to his National win so it would not be a major shock to see this horse improve markedly at Aintree. He does have a touch of class about him for a horse rated in the low 140s but the stable have always maintained that he needs soft ground to be at his very best so it must be doubtful he will be fully effective at Aintree if the going is good. His jumping is also something of a concern given his exit over the National fences in the Becher in November and the bad mistake he made when appearing to have every chance when running against Black Apalachi at Leopardstown in February. A very interesting contender but one with lots of question marks.
Thats him chucked in the bin then! Ta. :hihi:

State Of Play Odds & Grand National Form
17/1

Winner of the 2006 Hennessy Gold Cup at Newbury and the 2008 Charlie Hall Chase at Wetherby so not afraid to win a big race but can be a difficult horse to work out as consistency does not seem to be his strong point. Connections have come to the conclusion that he is at his best when fresh and four of his five wins over fences have come when returning after an extended break. His ante-post supporters must therefore have been glad Evan Williams resisted the temptation to run the horse at the Cheltenham Festival. Appears to have been given every chance to run a big race in the National with the weight allocated by the handicapper but his win at Newbury is as far as he as ever travelled so stamina must be taken on trust.

Saturday April 4
Flintoff 66/1 looks a nice price

For want of a better tip, I've just whacked £20 on that at 100/1 on William Hill. Reckon I'll owe you a pint if it comes in :hihi:

The winner will be Batllecry at 40/1

Stick your house on Butlers cabin OR kilbeggan blade ;)

Saturday April 4
Flintoff 66/1 looks a nice price

According to the bloke in the Bookies, Flintoff isn't running.

Out of respect for OWDIE im having "BIG FELLA THANKS" to romp it... :thumbsup:

Out of respect for OWDIE im having "BIG FELLA THANKS" to romp it... :thumbsup:

Great shout m8,
Heres the latest runners and odds


John Smiths Grand National
2009-04-03 17:30:00 Distance: 4m4f Non Runner - Money Back, Rule 4 may apply


My Will 7/1

Butlers Cabin
9/1

Rambling Minster
10/1

Black Apalachi
14/1

Hear The Echo
14/1

State Of Play
14/1

Comply Or Die
16/1

Parsons Legacy
16/1

Big Fella Thanks
20/1

Darkness
20/1

Irish Invader
20/1

Kilbeggan Blade
20/1

L'Ami
20/1

Southern Vic
20/1

Himalayan Trail
25/1

Cornish Sett
25/1

Snowy Morning
25/1

Brooklyn Brownie
33/1

Offshore Account
33/1

Cloudy Lane
40/1

Battlecry
40/1

Cant Buy Time
50/1

Silver Birch
50/1

Chelsea Harbour
66/1

Golden Flight
66/1

Idle Talk
66/1

Knowhere
66/1

Mon Mome
66/1

Preists Leap
66/1

Zabenz
66/1

Eurotrek
100/1

Fleet Street
100/1

Kelami
100/1

Musica Bella
100/1

Ollie Magern
100/1

Reveillez
100/1

Stan
100/1

Fundamentalist
150/1

Arteea
200/1

Cerium
200/1

Maljimar (Reserve 1)
25/1

Companero (Reserve 2)
66/1

Iron Man (Reserve 3)
100/1

Patsy Hall (Reserve 4)
66/1

I said on another thread that if MALJIMAR gets in (which is looking increasingly unlikely now), he's got to have a massive shout off 10st 3lbs.

Big Fella Thanks does have a decent E/W chance, but does have a tendency to be held up for a run, which could mean he encounters traffic problems. He'll stay the trip, but will need to have a 'quiet passage'.

I'll have a proper look tomorrow and if I've got time, post a write up.

Re-invested my £2 ew on non runner Flintoff on Cloudy Lane 40/1

Battlecry is the horse to win. Sell youir house and back him.

Follow a tip from YOU?! I think not.. It'll probably end up being a 3 legged donkey than can't run to save its life.

Follow a tip from YOU?! I think not.. It'll probably end up being a 3 legged donkey than can't run to save its life.
So Money for Muffin, as it were.

I've somehow managed to back the winning horse three times, betting each way on the National since 2000.
(2000 Papillon, 2003 Monty's Pass and Silver Birch in 2007)

The last time I had won before 2000 was back in 1987 when I backed the winner Maori Venture at about 25/1

I noticed Silver Birch is running again tomorrow (currently at 50/1) and wondered if it might do well again. I might have £10 each way on it.
Does anyone fancy it's chances?

Darkness is getting my money.

Anyone care to have a bet on how many horses will die in the race tomorrow:

Evens 1
6/4 none
2 Two
4 three
10 Four or more

any tips???? be about time i won something!!!

I've somehow managed to back the winnining horse three times, betting each way on the National since 2000.
(2000 Papillon, 2003 Monty's Pass and Silver Birch in 2007)

The last time I had won before 2000 was back in 1987 when I backed the winner Maori Venture at about 25/1

I noticed Silver Birch is running again tomorrow (currently at 50/1) and wondered if it might do well again. I might have £10 each way on it.
Does anyone fancy it's chances?

i have backed it as well

it fairly open and a good bet for long shots.. not sure who im backing as yet. Im kind of half hearted because its so cruel and i dont support this sport year long but for personal reasons I feel obliged to at least have a flutter... good luck:hihi:

stan @ 100/1 is good for a place as is darkness at 18/1

Anyone care to have a bet on how many horses will die in the race tomorrow:

Evens 1
6/4 none
2 Two
4 three
10 Four or more

Theres always one Tosser! :mad::mad::mad:

Hmmm i'm tempted to have a go but no idea who to go for....:hihi:

Plus i've never done it before :confused:

Hmmm i'm tempted to have a go but no idea who to go for....:hihi:

Plus i've never done it before :confused:

Pick your favorite name it usually works for a first time gambler, you might be lucky ;)
on your slip put
time of race 3.45
selection/name of horse
amount to bet example £10.00 win

Pick your favorite name it usually works for a first time gambler, you might be lucky ;)

Thanks, i'll give it a go :D If i don't win, i'll blame you :hihi:

Just wanted to say RIP exotic dancer x x:(

Theres always one Tosser! :mad::mad::mad:


There are always a million fools who put cash before conscience - I pray for the year that 10 jockeys die, then this whole vile farrago will be banned once and for all.

Horse racing is about 1 degree of separation away from greyhound racing, dog fighting and bear baiting.

Let's reintroduce children as chimney sweeps.

Sorry for being an animal fan with intelligence, sort of screws your argument doesn't it?

There are always a million fools who put cash before conscience - I pray for the year that 10 jockeys die, then this whole vile farrago will be banned once and for all.

Horse racing is about 1 degree of separation away from greyhound racing, dog fighting and bear baiting.

Let's reintroduce children as chimney sweeps.

Sorry for being an animal fan with intelligence, sort of screws your argument doesn't it?

yawn yawn yawn

Re-invested my £2 ew on non runner Flintoff on Cloudy Lane 40/1

The last top weight to win was Red Rum in '77, and I think he's off a rating which is about a stone higher than last year. I can't have him, even though he'll be staying on at the finish.

yawn yawn yawn


Blah blah blah, I still live with my parents and I've got no friends..

There are always a million fools who put cash before conscience - I pray for the year that 10 jockeys die, then this whole vile farrago will be banned once and for all.

Horse racing is about 1 degree of separation away from greyhound racing, dog fighting and bear baiting.

Let's reintroduce children as chimney sweeps.

Sorry for being an animal fan with intelligence, sort of screws your argument doesn't it?

I think you need to take a chill pill m8, at least i try and give a toss.

i thought you did just didnt want to say anything

getting back to the subject i think kilbeggan blade has a fantastic chance stays as long as the mother in law lol

Anyone care to have a bet on how many horses will die in the race tomorrow:

Evens 1
6/4 none
2 Two
4 three
10 Four or more

I'd like to hope that your 'tissue favourite', as it's known in the gambling world is most certainly the winner :thumbsup:

Horses die on the Flat; horses die at stud; horses die in their paddocks: all unexpectedly.

Anyway, the main point of this reply is to say that if people want to discuss the rights (of which I think there are many) and wrongs (of which I also think there are many) of horseracing, or specifically National Hunt racing, please create a different thread, and don't take this off topic.

Thanks everyone.

My Three are

Black Apalachi
Snowy Morning
Priests leap

Ive got Brooklyn Brownie an E/W bet on Darkness.

Stick your house on Butlers cabin OR kilbeggan blade ;)

Whoa boy'... you would stick your house on one horse or another?
Cmon which one is it?
I don't think any horse carrying too much weight over this distance will win, statistics prove this. I would say maximum weight of 10.11.
This assertion puts out of the running My Will, State of Play, Cloudy lane comply or die , last years winner.; and Butlers cabin is just a bit heavy.
So going on this my choices are from:
Parsons Legacy, only one pound over at 10.12 to come 4th Darkness 3rd
Irish Invader 2nd winner Brooklyn Brownie. This is if it stays dry, if wet it all changes, then I would go for Southern Vic 2nd with Zaben.
By the way I have never picked the winner in 45 years of trying.

Theres always one Tosser! :mad::mad::mad:

If believing that these beautiful creatures shouldn't be put through this cruelty constitutes being a "Tosser" then I'm happy to proclaim myself as one!

Let's all hope that all the horses get back safely!!!

If believing that these beautiful creatures shouldn't be put through this cruelty constitutes being a "Tosser" then I'm happy to proclaim myself as one!

Let's all hope that all the horses get back safely!!!

Save this crap for the "Im bored" section.

Whos your tip?

Ive had a bet with work, I pulled this one out of a hat

Chelsea Harbour
66/1

I dont understand horseracing, so what does the 66/1 mean? :huh:

Hmmm i'm tempted to have a go but no idea who to go for....:hihi:

Plus i've never done it before :confused:

Don't forget your ID, I got questioned the first time I did it and I was 27 at the time.

Save this crap for the "Im bored" section.

Whos your tip?

My tip is to save the life of a Horse and don't bet on the race!

My tip is to save the life of a Horse and don't bet on the race!

yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn

Ive had a bet with work, I pulled this one out of a hat

Chelsea Harbour
66/1

I dont understand horseracing, so what does the 66/1 mean? :huh:

Forget about it WW :hihi::hihi::hihi:

Would go for a bit of value If i had a punt, its a lottery of a race.

Darkness @ 20's
Himalayan trail @ 38's
Brooklyn brownie @ 36's

The one I picked out on the name purely

Cant buy time @ 50's

Forget about it WW :hihi::hihi::hihi:

Oh well, only lost a quid :)

yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn

Your contribution to the thread is truly outstanding!

Two savers to back up Cloudy Lane

Fleet Street
Kilbeggan Blade

There are always a million fools who put cash before conscience - I pray for the year that 10 jockeys die, then this whole vile farrago will be banned once and for all.

Horse racing is about 1 degree of separation away from greyhound racing, dog fighting and bear baiting.

Let's reintroduce children as chimney sweeps.

Sorry for being an animal fan with intelligence, sort of screws your argument doesn't it?

Now you're talking. get them chavling from the Manor cleaning chimneys out at Dore rathetr than hanging around on strett corners taking canabis. :thumbsup:

Follow a tip from YOU?! I think not.. It'll probably end up being a 3 legged donkey than can't run to save its life.

You'll be sorry when he romps home at 40/1:hihi:

My selections are listed in this section under 'Horse of the Day'. Ignore them at your peril.

Did anyone back that winner?

Hope all horses have come back safely!

Offshore account took the michael, was leading near end and then slowed down, didn't even make a run for it after last fence.

It looks like two horses have been destroyed, coupled with most people losing on the race then maybe some sanity will prevail and this race will be banned for next year.

RIP to the two horses that look to have died (better still the early reports are wrong)

It looks like two horses have been destroyed, coupled with most people losing on the race then maybe some sanity will prevail and this race will be banned for next year.

RIP to the two horses that look to have died (better still the early reports are wrong)

That's a shame. Which two?

1. Mon Mome (L Treadwell) 100-1
2. Comply Or Die (T J Murphy) 14-1
3. My Will (R Walsh) 8-1
4. State of Play (Paul Moloney) 14-1
5. Cerium 100-1
Whos getting the beer in then ????

Well true to form, I lost again.
Though I did try to hedge my bets, picking Brooklyn Brownie (fell at 2nd) but I also had Black Apalachi which unseated rider when out in front, so at least I got a run for my money.

I won £7.50 :hihi:

I won £7.50 :hihi:

WOOT! Good lass! :clap:

I think I might've won about 9 quid, Comply or Die came second and that was one of mine.

A quid profit on an £8 stake! Can't grumble at that.

Ooh well done Richy! Can be me a drink with that :hihi:

D2J didn't win though :hihi:

A great race by all accounts :). Congratulations to the winners. 100-1. That's quite some price!

Well at least most of us knew 'When's the 2009 Grand National', but no one knew who would win:(

Well at least most of us knew 'When's the 2009 Grand National', but no one knew who would win:(

True, half way there then :P. A friend had £5 each way on the winner, so some people definitely had a good day today :). I picked the horse in fourth. Better than nothing. It's so very difficult to pcik the winner of the grand national anyway as there as so many variables.

That's a shame. Which two?

Only one in the end, Butlers Cabin survived with oxygen, the one that died was Echo something or other.

hear the echo won the irish grand national

the one that died was Echo something or other.

Good to see - considering you've been kicking up a fuss about the dangers horses face in Horse racing and how inconsiderate and awful it is for us all to be betting on such an evil sport - that you're so commited to learning the names of these brave animals! :P

Did you see it when she interviewed the jockey and said why dont ya get your teeth done!!!! I thought that was right rude!!

Did you see it when she interviewed the jockey and said why dont ya get your teeth done!!!! I thought that was right rude!!

Yeah, I did think that was a bit off, he looked fairly embarrassed!

Did you see it when she interviewed the jockey and said why dont ya get your teeth done!!!! I thought that was right rude!!

But a fact....

He could of piped up about her looking like a bloke but he didnt, and is probably getting wasted somewhere with his mates chuckling to himself about her manly features.

But a fact....

He could of piped up about her looking like a bloke but he didnt, and is probably getting wasted somewhere with his mates chuckling to himself about her manly features.

And she'll be quite happily at home with her female lover not caring what people think about her manly features (she does actually live with a woman, by the way).

I like Clare Balding as a presenter of horseracing, but I do feel that she let herself down by 'picking on' Liam Treadwell. I thought that went beyond what should happen on screen, especially with a jockey who isn't used to the exposure of At The Races, let alone the world of BBC.

I have a manic dislike of gambling, for personal reasons.

I was, however, railroaded into doing the sweep at work.

I got the winner, and the one that came third !

I will give my winnings to BLESMA. It will only come to about £60 anyway. :mad:

A great race by all accounts :). Congratulations to the winners. 100-1. That's quite some price!

The bookies recession is over. They have made a packet.

Good to see - considering you've been kicking up a fuss about the dangers horses face in Horse racing and how inconsiderate and awful it is for us all to be betting on such an evil sport - that you're so commited to learning the names of these brave animals! :P

How can I explain this rationally?

This race is wrong, it is cruel and it is only being allowed to continue because punters continue investing some of their money on it.

How do we change this?

By trying to influence people via forums like this (other options are tried) that if they stop betting on the race then it will be stopped.

How can you gain extra publicity?

By apparently making obvious mis-judgements like this, of course I knew the name of the horse but by putting it the way I did I knew it would get the response it got from you and the thread would continue.

It is absolutely nothing personal against anyone, I'm sure a lot of good people bet on this race but the reality is that Horses are dying in it year after year, and this fact needs publicising in order to try and get the race stopped.

And she'll be quite happily at home with her female lover not caring what people think about her manly features

Doubt it, shes often been the topic of ridicule and has actually commented on her face in which she stated looked `blokey`

It is absolutely nothing personal against anyone, I'm sure a lot of good people bet on this race but the reality is that Horses are dying in it year after year, and this fact needs publicising in order to try and get the race stopped.
Why pick on this one race? It is not the worst.
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/horse/ALL/611/
Quote from the above link below.
The four most hazardous of all the country's courses are run by racing's own governing body, the Jockey Club. These are Cheltenham, Aintree, Warwick and Carlisle. From just 54 days racing at Cheltenham, there were no fewer than 21 on-course deaths.
These are not up to date figures.

I think this this race is now a lot easier than it used to be and is not as dangerous. The tops of the jumps now just fall away when a horse breathes on them.
The main problem is owners entering horses that simply are not good enough or strong enough to cope with this race,just to say "I had a runner in the national".

The National fences have been lowered somewhat over the last few years to give most horses, as Saturday proved, as good a chance as any of getting round in one piece.

I don't think any amount of protest will ever get the race stopped, there's just too much revenue generated by it.

By apparently making obvious mis-judgements like this, of course I knew the name of the horse but by putting it the way I did I knew it would get the response it got from you and the thread would continue.

You're a good person and I can't honestly say I disagree with you - my feelings towards Horse Racing have become a bit more negative in the last year because I've been educated about how many horses die - but please don't embarrass us both by using the old "I deliberately did that cos I knew one of you on here would react to it and I was right" argument because you know the truth is that you just couldn't be bothered to get the name right.

I know you're making a 'general' point and like I say I'm starting to err more towards your viewpoint these days but I just think after making such a point about how "one horse will die today!!" once one does die and you want to mention it on here it would just be respectful to get the unfotunate fella's name right.

Anyway, we're going waaaaay off track so lets just put that minor slip-up behind us and get back to discussing the care/dangers that horse receive/face in being bred Horse Racing.

And now that the National is over for another year, and there is another thread in existence regarding animal welfare in horseracing here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471230), I think this one should be put to bed now.

Thanks everyone, and good luck to all, punters, jockeys, horses and objectors alike.