I know there are several placenames in and the area that are thought to be of Viking origins.

Does anyone know if there has ever been any evidence of Vikings living in this area apart from these place names?

Have any artefacts or buildings been found and if so, where can you see them?

PopT

Michael Wood in both his book and TV series regarding the Dark Ages states that South Yorkshire was somewhat of a no mans land in those times with an ever changing overlordhip between the (largely) Viking north and the (largely) Saxon south.

Although one of, if not the, largest battle ever on English soil took place at, what is now, Tinsley marshalling yards there seems to be little evidence of serious military activity in those days compared to elsewhere in the country.

It may be therefore that the inhabitants were actually largely of celtic stock but with changing overlords either Viking or Anglo Saxon and they based some distance away.

Perhaps that is the reason there is little evidence of actual settlement by the invaders.

I remember the Battle of Orgreave being quite fearsome.

Xenia.
Sheffield seems to be an area that has no historical importance at all to Archaeologist or Historians....
They have only recently found out that Sheffield castle was much bigger than they thought, though I've heard the story that Queen Elizabeth was at Sheffield Castle when she received the news that the Spanish Armada had set sail so it must have been of some importance..
Manor castle is also of no importance to anyone other than local people...
I mean did Mary queen of Scots ever actually stay here for any length of time ?.
Once while in Scotland I spoke to a lady in charge of Marys section of the local museum and she didn't have the foggiest about her ever being in Sheffield.
Plus we are only mentioned in passing if at all in any program about the lady...

I think most of the Vikings are still there

I think most of the Vikings are still there

Raping and pillaging on the Manor no doubt.:hihi:

I remember the Battle of Orgreave being quite fearsome. That was led by Ye old vi-King Arthur.

Never knew that this area was influenced by the vikings.

Raping and pillaging on the Manor no doubt.:hihi:
Are you kidding!!!!!!
The Vikings would be lucky to leave with a shirt on their backs....:help:

The names of Jordanthorpe and Hackenthorpe are of norse origin.

Thorpe is from the Norse "Torpa" meaning farmstead, Jordanthope meaning "Jorda's Thorpe" or Jorda's farmstead, Hackenthope being "Haakke's Thorpe" or Haakkes farmstead.

"Grim" or "Grime" as in Grimsby, or Grimes/ Grimethorpe (see? Grim's farmstead!!) and places ending in "by" (Saxilby, Whitby etc) again have Viking roots.

Most of us are descendants of the vikings

I believe names ending in ley, Heeley, Walkley.. also mean a clearing in the woods

From an Archaeological point of view you also have to remember that both the Saxons and the Vikings built mainly in wood, unlike the Romans and Normans which is why I should imagine most archaeological knowledge is of the Roman/ Norman times...
Plus the fact that anything from that period was trashed by four hundred years of french occupation, even the English language almost died

Barnsley is full of them.. no seriously, Lund is a word for "sacred wood" and the word laking (Barnsleyish - "to play") is very similar to the swedish verb to play.

Richard

i read many years ago that upperthorpe was a viking tannery as there are many natural springs that at one time,before drains, would have gathered around upperthorpe

The Vikings were Scandinavian,but the Angles and the Saxons, German...
The Angles came from Northern Germany in the fifth and sixth century and settled north eastern England after the Romans left....
The Saxons were a West German tribe who settled southern England about the same time....
That's why we're Anglo,Saxon and how we became (Angland) England
The Vikings arrived from the eighth to the eleventh century

Isn't the Viking era where giving someone the middle finger came from ?

Barnsley is full of them.. no seriously, Lund is a word for "sacred wood" and the word laking (Barnsleyish - "to play") is very similar to the swedish verb to play.

Richard

So "Lundwood means "Sacred Wood Wood", does it? :hihi: (Hmmm *thinks* didn't he star in "The Equaliser? :huh: lol )

It's a bit like Roydfield Drive, at Waterthorpe... Royd means field.. therefore it means "Field-field Drive!!! lol

I mean did Mary queen of Scots ever actually stay here for any length of time ?.
Once while in Scotland I spoke to a lady in charge of Marys section of the local museum and she didn't have the foggiest about her ever being in Sheffield.
Plus we are only mentioned in passing if at all in any program about the lady...


Mary Queen of Scots was a prisoner in Sheffield for about 19 years before she was executed.

Never seen any reference to Queen Elizabeth I visiting Sheffield.

And most of the extent of Sheffield Castle was revealed during the building of the Co-operative store and Castle Markets in 1927-29.

Both the Saxons and the Vikings built in stone. There are numerous Saxon churches still standing around the country. The Vikings had to build in stone in many places such as the Northern Isles, there being no source of timber. In this country they built in stone as a readily available material. There are several places in the Peak District where the stone remains of Viking houses can be seen.
As for 400 years of French occupation, the Normans were of Viking origins (hence Normans or Northmen) who settled in France not that long before they invaded England.

The archaeology report on Sheffield castle when the co-op was built can be seen in full here
http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=5885

Please read the Sheffield Universities Archaeological Investigations of the castle,1999 and 2001...

The Normans were originally Norsemen given a large area of northern France in exchange for token obedience to the Frankish King Charles, under a guy called Rollo (not the sweet) in AD.911.
Under Duke Rollo they became the Normans...
They came here from France and they spoke French and they defeated the Saxons/Danes Who originally came from Germany and Denmark who I guess spoke English in AD.1066 ...
From then until Henry the eighth, the court and the royal families first language was French

Please read the Sheffield Universities Archaeological Investigations of the castle,1999 and 2001...


I believe I did at the time. These later reports didn't significantly increase our knowledge of the extent (ie area and boundaries) of the castle; what the investigations did establish is that there is a greater depth of remains under the markets than was previously thought.

According to James Symonds, Executive Director of ARCUS, 2001.

"What our archaeological team have discovered is that there is a lot more of the castle surviving than we at first thought, and it is possible that there is a lot more remaining to be unearthed so we can establish the original layout of the building."

The recent digital 'reconstruction' of the castle by ARCUS http://arcus.group.shef.ac.uk/sheff_castle.php?p=cs seems to be based on what Armstrong found under Exchange street in 1927 rather than anything new.

Thank you Gray beard,
So I can take it that this is false then.
Excavations in 1999 and 2001 by ARCUS revealed the Castle to have been much larger than previously was thought....

PS
Mary queen of Scots was held in Sheffield for 14 yrs....
Which is longer then she spent in Scotland...

Well thanks to everyone for the potted history of England, not forgetting the Sheffield Castle but I think the answer to my original question is a hard one.

We do not looks as if no Viking artefacts have been dug up but there seems to be one or two ruins in the area.

Thankyou to everyone who has contributed.

PopT

Thank you Gray beard,
So I can take it that this is false then.
Excavations in 1999 and 2001 by ARCUS revealed the Castle to have been much larger than previously was thought....

No, it means what greybeard said, the remains they found indicated a much more substantial castle than had previously been thought, but not bigger in extent. Since both excavations were confined to exploratory trenches within the known boundaries of the castle, it is difficult to see how they could have meant bigger in extent.

Sorry algy but who's said that the castles outer wall covers a wider area than thought ?

What has been said is the castle its self looks to be a much bigger building than a first thought, in fact among the biggest medieval castles in England....

Wikipedia, Sheffield Castle......

Reply deleted, this is a pointless argument developing.

Are we missing something here, what connection is there between the Sheffield Castle and the Vikings.

as far as the castle is concerned, everyone knows 'Size isn't Everything'.


Cheers PopT

Ah but popt aren't you forgetting who algy said the Normans were originally......
Any way who were the Vikings ? I see no Viking land on any maps

I only commented in a light hearted way on the castle because this post was going off subject.

Just for the record the word 'viking' is old norse for pirate but it is a term more understood here.

Norsemen or Nor'mans originating from the north are probably more accurate term but once again we are drifting away from the intent of this post which was, 'Does anyone know of any artefacts or buildings exist in the Sheffield area, we all know of the placenames but nothing else.

PopT

[QUOTE=algy;4860766]Both the Saxons and the Vikings built in stone. There are numerous Saxon churches still standing around the country. The Vikings had to build in stone in many places such as the Northern Isles, there being no source of timber. In this country they built in stone as a readily available material. There are several places in the Peak District where the stone remains of Viking houses can be seen.

Not wanting to cause any more trouble I'll leave this one to algy..

Hi Grinder

Let's be knowing where these buildings are?

popt

Hi popt.

I'm as eager to find out as you....
The only thing I've found so far is a 5Th to 8Th century graveyard in the grounds of Donny tech.

Grinder

So "Lundwood means "Sacred Wood Wood", does it? :hihi: (Hmmm *thinks* didn't he star in "The Equaliser? :huh: lol )

It's a bit like Roydfield Drive, at Waterthorpe... Royd means field.. therefore it means "Field-field Drive!!! lol

Yes... just like the "River Avon" means "The River River"!!! :loopy:

Are you kidding!!!!!!
The Vikings would be lucky to leave with a shirt on their backs....:help:

The old Ancient Britons on ye old manor could remove the wheels from a Viking chariot in a matter of seconds...............But getting them to put them back on again was a different matter. Hence no historical evidence of Vikings here. :hihi:

Apparently the Vikings weren't big on building around here but great at the gab, so apart from the odd cross and marker stones not much to see...
But language wise a lot of our words are apparently of Viking origin .

Both, law,wrong, ill, crooked, club, knife, slaughter... to name but a few...

Like the bit in the ARTICALS OF AGREEMENT, on the surrender of Sheffield castle, ( 1644 ).
Article 7. That Kellam Homer now living in the castle shall have liberty to remove his goods into the Town or else where with out molestation..

Wonder what Island he worked on ?

Apparently the Vikings weren't big on building around here but great at the gab, so apart from the odd cross and marker stones not much to see...
But language wise a lot of our words are apparently of Viking origin .

Both, law,wrong, ill, crooked, club, knife, slaughter... to name but a few...

A local-ism that we use to "pluralise" like "shoon" for "shoes" or "troon" for "trews" is also a Norse suffix.

Queen is also a Norse word

We brits love to associate ourselves with the vikings while over here in scandinavia the people very rarely mention them , its allmost as if they are embarrassed .Theres rune stones and burial mounds all over this area and no one seems to show the slightest bit of interest!
Strange that...

Anybody else noticed we live in a city named after a river that runs north.........mmmmm

There's deep viking roots in and around Sheffield. The village Styrup for instance and the Styring Family are direct decendants of Styrbjorn, one of the head pillagers

Last week I went up to Onesacre which I read was a Viking Settlement.

The old Hall is worth seeing if you have an interest in Tudor buildings.

The one building I was interested in was the old barn opposite the Hall.

Unfortunately some scroat has decided to help himself to the stone shingles on the roof

It is criminal to think this cruck structure has survived for 700 years more or less intact and now it is being wrecked.

Unhappy Days! PopT

There's deep viking roots in and around Sheffield. The village Styrup for instance and the Styring Family are direct decendants of Styrbjorn, one of the head pillagers

And the more recent pillager Wiggy Scargill.:gag:

Does the Viking Mythology fascinate anyone here?

Hi Nicky

I am interested in Viking Mythology but I do find it very hard to take it all in.

Why do you ask?

PopT

Why did the other thread about this get locked straight off? :huh: Is it a forbidden subject or something?

I am very fascinated with Lord of the Rings and that in parts , rather mostly is based on Viking Mythology.. Now that I am working on my dissertation which focusses mainly on Vikings and York,UK ...I have realized that all the heritage centres in Europe and UK deal mainly with the civiliged world of the Vikings, that is their dweelings, their occupation, lifestyle after invasion in various parts of the word but there no centres or museums which reflect on the origins of the Vikings that is from the time they evolved. How was their life then? The various ages ...Would it not be a good idea if there was some kind of a visitor attraction which reflected on this part of the Vikings?

Why did the other thread about this get locked straight off? :huh: Is it a forbidden subject or something? I have no idea... i have trying to get people's opinion on this n also trying to collect people's perception of York and its association with Vikings solely for the purpose of my dissertation... and I have been facing constant problem with this. I had pasted an url requesting for participants for my survey and probably its being treated as spam... i have no clue ... anyways, all the entries are anonymous

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Thanks, Andy. I didn't know it was a student research thing, just thought it was a topic! Viking mythology, eh? Always fancied being Thor and having a big hammer, myself ;)

There's quite a bit of Viking history round Sheffield and North Yorkshire, I've been told?

Thanks, Andy. I didn't know it was a student research thing, just thought it was a topic! Viking mythology, eh? Always fancied being Thor and having a big hammer, myself ;)

There's quite a bit of Viking history round Sheffield and North Yorkshire, I've been told?

I am fortunate enough to have my family tree which pre-dates 700ad.

The main character is Styr who's offspring Styrbjorn was a key player in the conquest of Northrumbia. He settled around Sheffield and the village of Styrup near Tickhill was on his lands.

There was only one family line and anyone with the modern name of Styring can be assured they are a descendant of Styr.

And so endeth today's lesson.:)

There was only one family line and anyone with the modern name of Styring can be assured they are a descendant of Styr.But do they have a big hammer? :P

But do they have a big hammer? :P

Only the Males ;)

I was born a Styring too !! I also have the family tree showing the Viking ancestry, fascinating stuff it is too, written by Harold Styring .

I was born a Styring too !! I also have the family tree showing the Viking ancestry, fascinating stuff it is too, written by Harold Styring .

Hi Cousin :)

Hi cousin back to you too !!

Hi There, my maternal grandmother was born a Styring too, guess that gets me some viking blood too

Hi There, my maternal grandmother was born a Styring too, guess that gets me some viking blood too

U Betcha!! I guarantee if she is not on the fanily tree her father is.

If you have any more info like first names etc I'll look for you.

Thanks but thats not necessary, I also have a copy of the pedigree, in fact ive got a couple of copies that belonged to Aunts long gone. My grandmothers name was Charlotte Styring,and I believe she was a daughter of Herbert Styring, who worked in cutlery. She sadly died prior to my birth in the early forties.

Thanks but thats not necessary, I also have a copy of the pedigree, in fact ive got a couple of copies that belonged to Aunts long gone. My grandmothers name was Charlotte Styring,and I believe she was a daughter of Herbert Styring, who worked in cutlery. She sadly died prior to my birth in the early forties.

Well there you go ! another cousin on the list ;-)

The old Ancient Britons on ye old manor could remove the wheels from a Viking chariot in a matter of seconds...............But getting them to put them back on again was a different matter. Hence no historical evidence of Vikings here. :hihi:

And by the time they'd removed the wheels the windows were removed and a stained brick work of art put in their place, the window tax will not be paid!

My old English teacher always said Hackenthorpe was named after a Viking chief called Haken..Haken's Thorpe. He probably made it up though, he were a reight tater!

My old English teacher always said Hackenthorpe was named after a Viking chief called Haken..Haken's Thorpe. He probably made it up though, he were a reight tater!

nope, that's almost the same as the story for the root of the name I was given, too, BD...

Thorpe (Torrpe) is Norse for farmstead, Hacken thorpe was Haaken's/ Haake's thorpe Haaken's farmstead. Same as Jordanthorpe was J/Yorda's Thorpe:-Jorda's farmstead.

(I don't think we can use the same idea for Woodthorpe or Owlthorpe though! ;) )

I believe names ending in ley, Heeley, Walkley.. also mean a clearing in the woods

yes that is right, i live in wickersley s66 and was told that information by a local historian,

By is also a Norse suffix to place names, I believe. (Grimsby for example)

Raping and pillaging on the Manor no doubt.:hihi:

Vikings? Don't talk to be about vikings. They came over, brought their daft religion with them, lived on dole money and took our women. They changed Britain. Should have been shipped home.
Keep Britain Saxon! :D

Vikings? Don't talk to be about vikings. They came over, brought their daft religion with them, lived on dole money and took our women. They changed Britain. Should have been shipped home.
Keep Britain Saxon! :D

PT looks up the schedule for ferries to København.

(and quietly wonders if her scarf will fit under one of these:-
http://www.auction-warehouse.com/lotimage/243771.jpg )

as a metal detectorist detecting around sheffield,iv not come across any viking stuff yet..odd saxon from ecclesfield.and roman up by top of hallifax road

"We brits love to associate ourselves with the vikings while over here in scandinavia the people very rarely mention them , its allmost as if they are embarrassed"

That's because they're the farmers we Son's of Ragnar left behind when we took to the old grey widow maker bare-sark bellies full of mead and fly-agraric biting chunks out of our shields

Bugger off Grinder Im proud of my Viking roots ! And thers names in Sheffield with strong Viking names eg Hackenthorpe ! Anything with thorpe or Garth are viking . So read this and weep ! All Hail Odin

Coal Aston and Dronfield were supposed to be Danish settlements, Aston End the building on the right at the top of Green Lane Coal Aston is a pre Norman 'Cruck' building as are the shops in Church Street Dronfield.

I know there are several placenames in and the area that are thought to be of Viking origins.

Does anyone know if there has ever been any evidence of Vikings living in this area apart from these place names?

Have any artefacts or buildings been found and if so, where can you see them?

PopT

We seem to have drifted a long way from the original question.
So have any Viking artefact's or buildings been found in the area ?

We seem to have drifted a long way from the original question.
So have any Viking artefact's or buildings been found in the area ?
Cruck buildings in Dronfield/Coal Aston which it is claimed was a originaly a Danish settlement

rape the men and kill the women. dont you mean the other way round olaf. you do wat you want to do sweetheart and i will do wat i want to do lol

Once a Viking, always a Viking :hihi:

I know Doncaster has quite a lot of Viking history, Bawtry has been ascociated with a Viking wharf, apparently viking cargo would be unloaded & loaded here. I've not heard of any artifacts though being unearthed, but as other SF have pointed out there are plenty of place names in Sheffield which relate to Viking settlements. Especially those ending in Thorpe