Hi

I currently have moved two computers into my new computer room. I am on blueyonder and the connection is in the other room. I am running cable/ from one to the other.

My question is this. I don't have a need to set up a wireless network as that would entail a new wireless router and a wireless card for each computer.

I understand with blueyonder I have a motorola usb5100 modem.I believe instead of the usb cable I can simply connect using an ethernet cable into the back of my pc which already has a network card installed via the motherboard.

My question is how to get the other PC connected bearing in mind any blueyonder specific difficulties/requirements.

I imagine theres nothing fancy about blue yonder and that I merely need to put a network card into the back of that computer?

The question then becomes as in how do I share the signal?
Would it be something as simple as buying any old data switch and plugging the blueyonder into that and then the two ethernet cables from that and into the back of each computers network card?

Would this be the simplest and cheapest way? Any suggestions on products?I'm thinking of just grabbing a switch off of ebay? I can't see the point of wireless at the moment as it's just not needed in this house.

You need a cable router, simply plugging into a switch wont work. Either that or use Windows Internet COnnection Sharing, and use a crossover cable between the 2 PC's.

Joel

i have blueyonder and i used my surfboard 5100 via the usb cable leaving my nic free. then ran some crossover between the pcs and used ICS (internet connection sharing) to share broadband.

i then purchased a 2nd network card so as to put my xbox on live. blueyonder would have you pay for a 2nd ip and £5 per month for live, i didnt need to.

any questions please pm me

Originally posted by Joelc
You need a cable router, simply plugging into a switch wont work. Either that or use Windows Internet COnnection Sharing, and use a crossover cable between the 2 PC's.

This is the best way to share blueyonder internet access. You can get normal wired routers quite cheaply online (e.g. ebuyer), but be warned - if you get a cheapy no name router, you get what you pay for... at least get a named brand, or you'll end up getting hassle from the dodgy firmware.

I'd highly recommend a Linksys WRT54G "wireless broadband router" (Froogle link for various prices (http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=wrt54g&btnG=Search+Froogle)), I've had a couple of dsl routers before getting the Linksys to use on a BY cable setup, and I'm very impressed with the featureset - decent firewall, all the wireless settings you need, access control policies, QoS, even little things like DDNS client built-in. And if it's not enough, you can stick on the OpenWrt (http://openwrt.org/) firmware and there's more to play with than you can shake a stick at! (if you excuse my mixed metaphors :)) It's really not worth buying anything cheapo when you can get a proper solution for just over £40... I got the S "speedboost" version, although I don't have any compatable wifi cards to use with it - anyone tried it, out of interest?

I'm on BY and have the Motorola modem and this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44997&item=5781108854&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW) router.

If you don't need the wireless, as this one isn't particularly fast, it's a great bit of kit and allows you to share a printer.

Help!

I have just bought a Netgear 108mbps wireless router (WGT624 v3) so I can go wireless with my Blueyonder broadband. Same problem as above when I came to set it up, realised it uses USB to connect to my PC, while the router wants LAN cable.

It seems this is a common problem, and there is a way around it - Can someone explain to me in 'diddy' speak how to do this??? (ie. whats a crossover cable, where would I get one etc - How do I set up ICS?)

Cheers in advance folks.

Anyone??:(

No?

i know what you need to do floyd but i've given advice to you before and you didn't say thanks so this time.....tough titty

i know what you need to do floyd but i've given advice to you before and you didn't say thanks so this time.....tough titty

My my, what a credit to humanity you are. Wouldnt have anything to do with you getting a wee warning for your childish behaviour towards me a while ago would it?

Apolgies for not thanking you, which I usually do when someone helps - or attempts to help - but your shooting kind of fast and loose with the use of the term 'advice' - as I remember it you said...
peer to peer doesn't necessarily mean you're connected to another computer and you're probably not. I expect this is a wireless router used to connect to a broadband connection. It could well require a network key, in which case its no use to you.

What you need to do is open up explorer, go to:

the tools menu > Internet Options > Connections > LAN Settings, and make sure 'automatically select settings' is selected. If you've done this and no network key is required you should be able to access the internet just by opening up the browser

Which was quickly followed by a post from someone who actually did know the answer (who I must remember to thank), which was nothing like your 'advice' - so I chose to say nothing rather than point out your mistakes and really quite feeble 'advice'.

Now, posting to make a point of not telling me something you know, just because I didnt say thanks for something I wasnt particularly thankful for - that just means youre a dick doesnt it?:huh:

If its the Motorola modem, just connect it to a network socket on your PC with a standard ethernet cable (you probably got one in the box with the router), then run the setup CD that came with the router. If the netgear setup is anything like Linksys, it will guide you through the setup procedure step by step, telling you when to unplug what and when to turn stuff on or off.

just the apology would have been fine......

oh i wasn't expecting any manners, you lot from north of the border are all the same

didn't advise you to do a websearch because thats pretty obviously, and any half wit would need advising for that.......wrongly gave you more credit than due.

you just called me a dick........shut up cross dresser

just the apology would have been fine......

oh i wasn't expecting any manners, you lot from north of the border are all the same

didn't advise you to do a websearch because thats pretty obviously, and any half wit would need advising for that.......wrongly gave you more credit than due.

you just called me a dick........shut up cross dresser

Even after editing - thats the best you can come up with? Racial abuse, and questioning my sexuality. Ouch.
pretty obviously Is this what passes as English these days is it - its your country and you cant even speak the language:shakes:
I was actually referring to the guy who gave me the answer to my query - not the one who told me to search Google, but we know you take a while to get up to speed so I'll let it slide.

So, back in Grown up land - Rocketpig aside, anyone got any advice on what bits and bobs I need. I'll even say thanks.:thumbsup:

If its the Motorola modem, just connect it to a network socket on your PC with a standard ethernet cable (you probably got one in the box with the router), then run the setup CD that came with the router. If the netgear setup is anything like Linksys, it will guide you through the setup procedure step by step, telling you when to unplug what and when to turn stuff on or off.
Yep - thats what I thought, but now I've done a bit more digging (which I wish I'd done before buying the thing!) it seems Blueyonder is a bit different as it uses a USB connection from modem to PC, not ethernet. It seems I have to get a couple of adaptors and some Blueyonder install software - I hoped someone might know what I needed exactly, so I could go and get it, rather than go through blueyonder (as they take forever, and are no doubt quite pricey)

Cheers

Even after editing - thats the best you can come up with? Racial abuse, and questioning my sexuality. Ouch.
Is this what passes as English these days is it - its your country and you cant even speak the language:shakes:
I was actually referring to the guy who gave me the answer to my query - not the one who told me to search Google, but we know you take a while to get up to speed so I'll let it slide.

So, back in Grown up land - Rocketpig aside, anyone got any advice on what bits and bobs I need. I'll even say thanks.:thumbsup:

can speak perfect english thanks, just dyslexic and bad at spelling....and its nice to see you learning some manners, very well done you...

....your next lesson will follow shortly

it seems Blueyonder is a bit different as it uses a USB connection from modem to PC, not ethernet

Someone's telling you porkies;).

We've got BY, connected via a NIC (Motorola SB4100).

can speak perfect english thanks, just dyslexic and bad at spelling....and its nice to see you learning some manners, very well done you...

....your next lesson will follow shortly
Your spelling was fine - it was the 'making sense' I was commenting on. Cant wait for your next lesson, genius.

Cant you go play somewhere else? Are there no busses to chase round your way.

Someone's telling you porkies;).

We've got BY, connected via a NIC (Motorola SB4100).
Must have different setups - mine definately connects through USB. Motorolla 'surfboard' cable modem connects to the PC through USB cable, and definately does not work through ethernet. Even the Blueyonder kit comes with all the gubbins as you cant use the standard kit.

I can set up a wireless network ok with the router, just cant connect to the internet.

Your modem should have both a USB socket and an ethernet socket. Mine has. Youll be able to use either, as long as youve got the relevant cable.

Yes, it does have both - I thought it only worked with USB, I do have cables - but cant seem to get an internet connection when i use the ethernet cable:confused:

Are there some setting I need to change somewhere?

Yes, it does have both - I thought it only worked with USB, I do have cables - but cant seem to get an internet connection when i use the ethernet cable:confused:
Yes... You need a special cable called a crossover cable.. this is where 4 of the wires are switched at one end of the plug compared with normal network cables.

You can buy a crossover cable for peanuts at computer store but to be completely honest my recommendation would be to get a cheap router/switch like this:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?product_uid=54774

or this..
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?product_uid=52897

Couple of reason for this.
1. It saves you money on your electricity bill because you don't need to have both PC's on at the same time

2. It means that the directly connected unit won't abuse it's own resources passing on the connection

3. It's a heck of a lot easier to setup!


All you need is one of those routers, the chuzpah to read the instructions properly and a total of 3 ethernet cables and of course an ethernet connection in both PC's.

You dont need a crossover from PC to modem, just from PC to PC, just to clarify. Youll probably have to run the network setup wizard after connecting the modem to the PC with an ethernet cable before it will work.

You dont need a crossover from PC to modem, just from PC to PC, just to clarify.
Oops.. misunderstood there... though we were referring from PC to PC...

Just to note... when you go from modem to PC with the ethernet cable you need to power off the modem for a minute and then power it back on with the ethernet plugged in to both modem and computer to get it to work. You can't just unplug the USB and plug in the ethernet cable without powering it down.

Just aint happening folks - no matter what I try the modem cant connect to the internet when running through the ethernet cable (even following all proper startup procs)

Have given in and bought it from Blueyonder - not much price difference after all.

Cheers anyway:thumbsup:

Anyone??:(

No?

You need the wgr614

Just aint happening folks - no matter what I try the modem cant connect to the internet when running through the ethernet cable (even following all proper startup procs)

You will have to fully reset the cable modem (ie pull the power cable, or the reset option on the cable modem setup screen), so that the modem can reset itself up for the new MAC address thats been supplied by the PC to the Modem via Ethernet

You will have to fully reset the cable modem (ie pull the power cable, or the reset option on the cable modem setup screen), so that the modem can reset itself up for the new MAC address thats been supplied by the PC to the Modem via Ethernet
Yep - tried all that, and have the modem Blueyonder themselves suggest.

No matter - new kit arrives tomorrow :D

Well, all arrived today, and was exactly the same kit as I had just returned. Except for the ethernet cable that actually worked! So the problem was the cable (well the conncection) all along.

D'oh! Cheers for the help everyone (except Rocketpig:P )