planning application can be found here- looks good!

http://planningdocs.sheffield.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?councilName=Sheffield+City+Council&appNumber=09%2F00602%2FFUL

well ,that may explain where the West Ham money might be spent mate

planning application can be found here- looks good!

http://planningdocs.sheffield.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?councilName=Sheffield+City+Council&appNumber=09%2F00602%2FFUL

I think it really is a daft idea. You will never fill it. Look at Hillsborouh for example. We'd only sell out to the big clubs in the premiership. Waste of money

Allegedly McCabe is looking towards England being chosen to host a future world cup (2014?) and BL being used for some of the games.

Allegedly McCabe is looking towards England being chosen to host a future world cup (2014?) and BL being used for some of the games.

2018, the 2014 tournament has already been confirmed as being in Brazil.

Is it really worth spending millions on a bigger ground just on the offchance that it could host 3 group games in a World Cup? Plenty of blades on here go on about us playing in a half empty stadium, and the expanses of empty seats - yet that's exactly what you'd be doing week in week out.

I agree but the improved kop wouldn't hold that many more,it would have better facilities,more legroom,no posts in the way etc.

I think the capacity requirement to host a World Cup game is at least 40,000 so if you wanted to host then you'd have to raise the capacity anyway.

I think the capacity requirement to host a World Cup game is at least 40,000 so if you wanted to host then you'd have to raise the capacity anyway.

From what ive heard we are extending the Kop anyway, leaving us with better facilities etc which is much needed as that part of the ground is by far of the poorest quality, and if we establish ourselves in the Premier League we will be extending the south stand leaving us with a 40,000 + capacity.

I am very happy with what they will be doing to the Kop though.

is it mainly the internal facilities they are improving then ?

is it mainly the internal facilities they are improving then ?

They are putting a few thousand on the back of the Kop, which if ive heard correctly will make it the biggest Kop in England, ahead of Anfield? and will also be removing the pillars :D

and yes the internal facilites will be improved, pictures are on here:
http://www.sufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10418~1176287,00.html

They are putting a few thousand on the back of the Kop, which if ive heard correctly will make it the biggest Kop in England, ahead of Anfield? and will also be removing the pillars :D

and yes the internal facilites will be improved, pictures are on here:
http://www.sufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10418~1176287,00.html

must admit those stands with the pillars are a pain .

I think it really is a daft idea. You will never fill it. Look at Hillsborouh for example. We'd only sell out to the big clubs in the premiership. Waste of money

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Sour%20Grapes.jpg

Just going to make it a better ground than it already is and maybe we can host a few big matches like hillsborouh did when it had its last lick of paint in the 70's.
Time to face up to the fact that we are the bigger club on and off the field Alty.
Nice what Staffords doing but its nothing new and certainly not making you a
force to be reckoned with.

Blades = Rolls Royce
owls = Mini cooper spinning its wheels ;)

I think it really is a daft idea. You will never fill it. Look at Hillsborouh for example. We'd only sell out to the big clubs in the premiership. Waste of money

To be honest fella, the club want to be a permanent feature in the premier league... if they wanrt that to happen they have to have everything ready. The ground itself is already of a good standard, but things can always be improved and this is an ideal way.

Work needs doing on the kop, so this is an ideal opportunity to increase the capacitt at the same time whilst also gearing us up for other plans we're looking at.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Sour%20Grapes.jpg

Just going to make it a better ground than it already is and maybe we can host a few big matches like hillsborouh did when it had its last lick of paint in the 70's.
Time to face up to the fact that we are the bigger club on and off the field Alty.
Nice what Staffords doing but its nothing new and certainly not making you a
force to be reckoned with.

Blades = Rolls Royce
owls = Mini cooper spinning its wheels ;)

I will never accept that united are bigger than Wednesday :hihi: The mighty Owls are still more well known worldwide in my opinion, not that that matters :hihi:

You'll be playing a half empty stadium like us, if you extend. I think Wednesday could average around 34k in the premiership, with a few sell-outs, similar for united also.

I will never accept that united are bigger than Wednesday :hihi: The mighty Owls are still more well known worldwide in my opinion, not that that matters :hihi:

You'll be playing a half empty stadium like us, if you extend. I think Wednesday could average around 34k in the premiership, with a few sell-outs, similar for united also.

part one disagree united are a bigger brand worldwide now.
part two agree wednesday do have a very good support base, this season was not one to judge them on.

To be honest fella, the club want to be a permanent feature in the premier league... if they wanrt that to happen they have to have everything ready. The ground itself is already of a good standard, but things can always be improved and this is an ideal way.

Work needs doing on the kop, so this is an ideal opportunity to increase the capacitt at the same time whilst also gearing us up for other plans we're looking at.

All big championship clubs want to be in the premiership. Improving the 'kop' I understand but extending it seems a bit daft. Afterall your attendances before 3/4 seasons ago were pretty poor to be fair and you've still not filled it on a regular basis. Waiting until United are an established premiership side would make more sense. It really doesn't help the atmosphere playing with 20k+ in a 40k ground.

Even when you do your kop it will surely still struggle to hold more than ours.

part one disagree united are a bigger brand worldwide now.
part two agree wednesday do have a very good support base, this season was not one to judge them on.

Only going on my experience, met people in france, italy and even the US who mentioned Wednesday, when I said I'd come over from Sheffield, without even mentioning Football

Only going on my experience, met people in france, italy and even the US who mentioned Wednesday, when I said I'd come over from Sheffield, without even mentioning Football

yeh maybe right in europe but the chinese market is the biggest in the world .

Even when you do your kop it will surely still struggle to hold more than ours.

when finished the kop will be the biggest single tier cop in england ,even bigger than liverpools. It was in the paper last week.

To be honest fella, the club want to be a permanent feature in the premier league... if they wanrt that to happen they have to have everything ready. The ground itself is already of a good standard, but things can always be improved and this is an ideal way.

Work needs doing on the kop, so this is an ideal opportunity to increase the capacitt at the same time whilst also gearing us up for other plans we're looking at.

i can understand that mate . do you think the income from West Ham will be used to pay for that ?

the kop plans have been in a long time, it's nothing to do with the west ham money.

It really doesn't help the atmosphere playing with 20k+ in a 40k ground.

Something Wednesday do every other week :hihi:

Something Wednesday do every other week :hihi:

Thats the point. United don't want to do the same thing

when finished the kop will be the biggest single tier cop in england ,even bigger than liverpools. It was in the paper last week.

Why would you want it so big, i think you will struggle to fill your ground, i think 30.000 is about right for the fan base which go to matches, i can't see many more Blades turning up just cause the grounds got a little bit bigger,it will kill the atmosphere as fans are more spread out take it from some1 who goes to Hillsborough every week and witnesses it.
I think your board should be concentrating on team affairs thats what gets you promotion, as you all say your ground is a premiership ground as it is, or has it aged dramaticly in the last few months lol

Why would you want it so big, i think you will struggle to fill your ground, i think 30.000 is about right for the fan base which go to matches, i can't see many more Blades turning up just cause the grounds got a little bit bigger,it will kill the atmosphere as fans are more spread out take it from some1 who goes to Hillsborough every week and witnesses it.
I think your board should be concentrating on team affairs thats what gets you promotion, as you all say your ground is a premiership ground as it is, or has it aged dramaticly in the last few months lol

the world cups coming to britain sooner or later.

Don't forget about

Old Trafford
Anfield
Villa Park
The Emirates
Eastlands
Stadium of Light
St James Park
Pride Park
St Marys
Wembley

You have some work to do before you overtake these grounds just on the facilities basis.

Don't forget about

Old Trafford
Anfield
Villa Park
The Emirates
Eastlands
Stadium of Light
St James Park
Pride Park
St Marys
Wembley

You have some work to do before you overtake these grounds just on the facilities basis.

we are putting the work in corky. put it this way if any world cup games were to be played in sheffield ,where do you think it would be.

we are putting the work in corky. put it this way if any world cup games were to be played in sheffield ,where do you think it would be.

Don Valley :thumbsup:

we are putting the work in corky. put it this way if any world cup games were to be played in sheffield ,where do you think it would be.

No World cup games will be played in Sheffield for a long while, the massive and brillaint grounds are too close to us.

No World cup games will be played in Sheffield for a long while, the massive and brillaint grounds are too close to us.

corky you seem to be a bit green tonight.

Don't forget about

Old Trafford
Anfield
Villa Park
The Emirates
Eastlands
Stadium of Light
St James Park
Pride Park
St Marys
Wembley

You have some work to do before you overtake these grounds just on the facilities basis.

If we do have the world cup, they won't hold group matches in two different stadiums in the same region. So Eastlands and Old Trafford wont both host matches, likewise St James park and the Stadium of light.

It may even be a big selling point to play part of the world cup in the city that competitive football started in.

If we do have the world cup, they won't hold group matches in two different stadiums in the same region. So Eastlands and Old Trafford wont both host matches, likewise St James park and the Stadium of light.

It may even be a big selling point to play part of the world cup in the city that competitive football started in.

I was thinking if it was to come to these parts that Uefa may involve Wales and Scotland, what with Swansea already having a nice stadium and Cardiff about to move, either of the Glasgow giants could host a world cup game stood on there head they have champions league football every year just about guarenteed.

we are putting the work in corky. put it this way if any world cup games were to be played in sheffield ,where do you think it would be.

Neither ground would get it currently. Facilities wise Bramall lane is better, but our South Stand is better than yours, as is our Kop currently better. Hate that cladding you've nailed onto your stands, looks terrible.

corky you seem to be a bit green tonight.

How do u mean m8?

How do u mean m8?

bit negative tonight.

Neither ground would get it currently. Facilities wise Bramall lane is better, but our South Stand is better than yours, as is our Kop currently better. Hate that cladding you've nailed onto your stands, looks terrible.

To be honest i don't really think Bramall Lanes that nice it still has a lot of rough edges the kop side looks terrible and has for years and both of your side stands arnt exactley massive, its just a run of the mill ground, i doubt theres many away fans who can say there favorite ground is the Lane anyway, im sure theres quite a few who would say Hillsborough.

I was thinking if it was to come to these parts that Uefa may involve Wales and Scotland, what with Swansea already having a nice stadium and Cardiff about to move, either of the Glasgow giants could host a world cup game stood on there head they have champions league football every year just about guarenteed.

Unless I'm mistaken Wales just pulled out of a potential bid for the Euros with Scotland, so they may not be interested; even if the FA included them in the bid.

bit negative tonight.

Oh no just saying it how it is m8, i never have liked Bramall lane it just seems right old i know Hillsborough is aswell.

Oh no just saying it how it is m8, i never have liked Bramall lane it just seems right old i know Hillsborough is aswell.

i think us owls are all a little negative this week -what with the club statement

i think us owls are all a little negative this week -what with the club statement

understandable , nowt for the owls ,millions for the blades , hardly likely to warm the owls cockles.

what with sheffield being the oldest club in the world. think this city has every chance. of staging games. bramall lane with a new kop will be ideal.

understandable , nowt for the owls ,millions for the blades , hardly likely to warm the owls cockles.

how i wish Ken Bates had got hold of us -he went in and somehow manages a twist L***s into admin . i dont know how he managed it but he sorted them out

Neither of us are or have been doing nowt for the last how many years, you got promoted to the premiership and got relegated straight away, we even had a time in the third tier of English football not long back which in all honesty is ridicolous.
Until "proper" investment comes to either club we will be like this for many years to come, its getting harder and harder to compete with the clubs with clout, negative but bloody realistic.

how i wish Ken Bates had got hold of us -he went in and somehow manages a twist L***s into admin . i dont know how he managed it but he sorted them out

he put tkts up to 30 quid a go with no kid reductions 3 year back.

Don't forget about

Old Trafford
Anfield
Villa Park
The Emirates
Eastlands
Stadium of Light
St James Park
Pride Park
St Marys
Wembley

You have some work to do before you overtake these grounds just on the facilities basis.
rotherham darlington hull spring to mind just a few that the owls have to do catch up hillsborough is looking realy tired now it may still have history but so do stoke blackburn even accrinton stanley but stadiums get improved unlike swillsborough

how i wish Ken Bates had got hold of us -he went in and somehow manages a twist L***s into admin . i dont know how he managed it but he sorted them out

so you would rather be in leeds position.:huh:.

so you would rather be in leeds position.:huh:.

not in league position -but he has cleared most of their debt by getting them into admin -which is what he would have done had he got control at Hillsbro

nothing to do with best grounds its about making the facillities better for us paying customers whether it's bramall lane hilsborough old trafford or even sheffield fc

not in league position -but he has cleared most of their debt by getting them into admin -which is what he would have done had he got control at Hillsbro

would you have paid 30 to 40 quid a ticket for that division.

understandable , nowt for the owls ,millions for the blades , hardly likely to warm the owls cockles.

i think he means the royal WE alex ;)

rotherham darlington hull spring to mind just a few that the owls have to do catch up hillsborough is looking realy tired now it may still have history but so do stoke blackburn even accrinton stanley but stadiums get improved unlike swillsborough

Where did you get Rotherham from like, there tenants of Don Valley?

rotherham darlington hull spring to mind just a few that the owls have to do catch up hillsborough is looking realy tired now it may still have history but so do stoke blackburn even accrinton stanley but stadiums get improved unlike swillsborough

you had no option bot to pull 1 stand down and sell players to rebuild it
as for the old kop roof full of asbestos
we have never had a 3 sided ground
or been in the 4th division so we have a long way to go before we go as low as the blades have been

p.s its about time you made our old ground look a bit better its took long enough :D

Do you not think its tarnished both West Hams and Sheffield Uniteds reputation somehwhat.
Its going to take a brave man to go to Upton park who wears a Blades scarf in future years.

Do you not think its tarnished both West Hams and Sheffield Uniteds reputation somehwhat.
Its going to take a brave man to go to Upton park who wears a Blades scarf in future years.

How can the blades reputation be tarnished ?

How can the blades reputation be tarnished ?

For looking like you did it for the money in the end, taking 15 million now just makes it look like you have admitted defeat.
And you never can proove weather Tevez playing or not would have kept West Ham up anyway cause if he wasnt there some1 else would have been :thumbsup:

you had no option bot to pull 1 stand down and sell players to rebuild it
as for the old kop roof full of asbestos
we have never had a 3 sided ground
or been in the 4th division so we have a long way to go before we go as low as the blades have been

p.s its about time you made our old ground look a bit better its took long enough :D

what??,, in which division has talking about ground improvements got to do with this thread were talkin about GROUND IMPROVEMENTS MATEY NOT ,HOW LOW WE HAVE BEEN

St mary's wouldn't be able to hold games as it isn't big enough.

The English FA won't do a joint bid with two other countries, also FIFA wouldn't have 3 countries with automatic entry.

Eastlands wouldn't be used as too close to Old Trafford,
Stadium of light wouldn't be used as too close to st james'.

The Blades would have a good shout if ground got brought within world cup regulations, as is planned.

On another forum, Lee Strafford at the london owls meeting has said one of the tasks on his agenda is to push Hillsborough forward as a World Cup Venue. Hopefully he will be able to do this

what??,, in which division has talking about ground improvements got to do with this thread were talkin about GROUND IMPROVEMENTS MATEY NOT ,HOW LOW WE HAVE BEEN

scratch the division what about the rest of my post "MATEY"
no need to shout btw :love:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_stadia_by_capacity

Obviously it's wikipedia, so could contain errors... but at the moment, the Lane is listed as 17th, Hillsborough 11th (although that's counting it as 39k, I thought i'd read somewhere on here that a section wasn't used as it wasn't safe?).

The ten above (Wembley, OT, Emirates, SJP, SOL, Eastlands, Anfield, Villa Pk, Stamford Bridge and Goodison) are all over 40k, but the suggested plans for other clubs aiming to have grounds soon over 40k is interesting...

White Hart Lane replaced by a 60k stadium, Riverside can be upped to 42k, Pride Park increase to 44k announced last summer, Walkers Stadium can go upto 55k!, City Ground upto 50k, Brum to 55k in a new ground, Molineux to 40k, The Valley to 40k, even Bristol City to 40k and Pompey to 45k...

Can't see half of those getting filled regularly, they don't even fill most of them now...

If there was a sniff of getting the World Cup, it wouldn't be a surprise to see Leeds get the nod though...

totally agree about L***s getting the shout above both sheffield clubs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_stadia_by_capacity

Obviously it's wikipedia, so could contain errors... but at the moment, the Lane is listed as 17th, Hillsborough 11th (although that's counting it as 39k, I thought i'd read somewhere on here that a section wasn't used as it wasn't safe?).

The ten above (Wembley, OT, Emirates, SJP, SOL, Eastlands, Anfield, Villa Pk, Stamford Bridge and Goodison) are all over 40k, but the suggested plans for other clubs aiming to have grounds soon over 40k is interesting...

White Hart Lane replaced by a 60k stadium, Riverside can be upped to 42k, Pride Park increase to 44k announced last summer, Walkers Stadium can go upto 55k!, City Ground upto 50k, Brum to 55k in a new ground, Molineux to 40k, The Valley to 40k, even Bristol City to 40k and Pompey to 45k...

Can't see half of those getting filled regularly, they don't even fill most of them now...

If there was a sniff of getting the World Cup, it wouldn't be a surprise to see Leeds get the nod though...

Hillsborough is only about 37k at the moment because the corner can't be used. Elland Rd is an absolute hole, they'll have to invest to have any chance.

If all these clubs expand, most of them will be playing in half full stadiums, actually most of them mentioned can't even fill their grounds at the moment bar Wolves, Tottenham and Derby.

are you saying hillsborough is in better shape than elland rd dont think so mate,been to both ,elland rd hands down

does anyone know how long it will take to build the new kop? will it be built during the close season or will it take longer than that, leaving you playing with just 3 sides to the ground? i saw a picture of how it was going to look when utd announced it before and it looked good but to be fair anything will look better than your current kop

:loopy:On another forum, Lee Strafford at the london owls meeting has said one of the tasks on his agenda is to push Hillsborough forward as a World Cup Venue. Hopefully he will be able to do this

u must be joking, its falling to bits !

are you saying hillsborough is in better shape than elland rd dont think so mate,been to both ,elland rd hands down

I went to Elland Rd last year, its an absolute hole. Ok their large stand is decent, but no better than Wednesday's South Stand. The other three stands are horrible sheds.

Hillsborough and Bramall Lane are better than Elland Road

:loopy:

u must be joking, its falling to bits !

Obviously with money spent on it

Obviously with money spent on it

but u aint got no money ! anybody serious about pumpin money into swfc will move them away from hillsboro - mark my words

but u aint got no money ! anybody serious about pumpin money into swfc will move them away from hillsboro - mark my words

Not really, with decent investment, theres plenty of scope for improvement. Strafford mentioned that for Euro 96 plans had been drawn up to extend Hillsborough to 70k - thank god they didn't, I'd have to take a mega phone to speak to the person nearest to me:hihi:

Not really, with decent investment, theres plenty of scope for improvement. Strafford mentioned that for Euro 96 plans had been drawn up to extend Hillsborough to 70k - thank god they didn't, I'd have to take a mega phone to speak to the person nearest to me:hihi:

swfc get decent crowds 20k - and the grounds only half full. any improvements would only expand the capacity. why would anyone do that ? Anyone serious about swfc will re-locate ya, markmywords

swfc get decent crowds 20k - and the grounds only half full. any improvements would only expand the capacity. why would anyone do that ? Anyone serious about swfc will re-locate ya, markmywords

Theres no need to. I'd be seriously annoyed. I do not want to be playing in a generic bowl stadium - Saint Marys', Walkers, Ricoh etc

i second that alty:thumbsup: i would never want us to move. not sure on the cost of knocking stands down and putting new ones up compared to a new stadium but unless it really was the best thing for the club i would hate it

i second that alty:thumbsup: i would never want us to move. not sure on the cost of knocking stands down and putting new ones up compared to a new stadium but unless it really was the best thing for the club i would hate it

If you were to move, it'd probably only be temporary (e.g. to Don Valley) while they demolished the substandard parts of Hillsborough and started again - would cost a lot to do that though... DVS should hold around 20k though, so should be enough for most games.

Regarding the World Cup, it'll depend how many venues they need to see if either Sheffield club would be considered... if they had only the choice of one in Yorkshire, they'll go with Leeds even if both of the others have been upgraded, what with their history...

I just hope United's plans aren't all dependent on getting a few World Cup group games possibly in 9 years time... no need to have a 40k stadium unless we become a stable PL club, and that's not imminent...! The ground as it is is fine for our needs, with perhaps a few changes.

If you were to move, it'd probably only be temporary (e.g. to Don Valley) while they demolished the substandard parts of Hillsborough and started again - would cost a lot to do that though... DVS should hold around 20k though, so should be enough for most games.

Regarding the World Cup, it'll depend how many venues they need to see if either Sheffield club would be considered... if they had only the choice of one in Yorkshire, they'll go with Leeds even if both of the others have been upgraded, what with their history...

I just hope United's plans aren't all dependent on getting a few World Cup group games possibly in 9 years time... no need to have a 40k stadium unless we become a stable PL club, and that's not imminent...! The ground as it is is fine for our needs, with perhaps a few changes.

I don't think Elland Rd would get chosen. Sheffield is the home of football and both grounds have far more history than Elland Rd. Both are currently better than Elland Rd in my opinion, so with both Sheffield grounds having investment, think it would be between us.

is it mainly the internal facilities they are improving then ?


in and out. there also having student accomodation in the car park at the back of the kop, so this will help generate money as well

I think it really is a daft idea. You will never fill it. Look at Hillsborouh for example. We'd only sell out to the big clubs in the premiership. Waste of money

were looking at the bigger picture here my owl. mccabe wants us in the premiership not championship

i think us owls are all a little negative this week -what with the club statement

theres sooo much negative talk on here from wednesday supporters, SOUR GRAPES i think

get a grip. the thread is about the new kop / ground keep on thread :thumbsup:

well the FA are allowed to use 2 grounds from only 2 city so i would say it would be london (wembley and the emirates) and manchester (trafford and eastlands) apart from that then they can only use one venue per city- newcastle, liverpool, villa are all certain to be chosen so i guess its just upto united to do all they can to get some games.

As for extending our capacity- when we went up into the premership- we had the hightest %age of seats fillen in the entire league- with something like 98% of the ground being filled for each game so extendid the kop just makes sense.

Even if we just go up for one season then 5000 extra seats at an average price of £20 would bring in and extra £100,000 of revenue each game- multiply that over the entire season and you see why it would be well worth doing!!!

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Sour%20Grapes.jpg

Just going to make it a better ground than it already is and maybe we can host a few big matches like hillsborouh did when it had its last lick of paint in the 70's.
Time to face up to the fact that we are the bigger club on and off the field Alty.
Nice what Staffords doing but its nothing new and certainly not making you a
force to be reckoned with.

Blades = Rolls Royce
owls = Mini cooper spinning its wheels ;)

So we didn't practically rebuild the South Stand, adding hospitality suites and restaurants in the 1990's then, I must have been dreaming. :confused:

And as for 'big club', we had the opportunity to be a big club in the early 60's and 90's and blew it both times. Utd have never been a big club in my lifetime and probably, like Wednesday, never will be. Constructing the narrowest stand in the world, adding a bit of cladding to the Bramhall (note your hillsborouh) Lane end, and a few corners of the ground being utilised for seating doesn't make for a big club. :rolleyes:

A big club wins things on a regular basis, qualifies for Europe, and most importantly, doesn't keep reminding itself that it's a big club, because it doesn't have to, it knows. ;)

Blades = Skoda purporting to be a Ferrari
Owls = Ferrari purporting to be a Skoda

:hihi::hihi: