This is taken from this mornings Yorkshire Post think that the Wednesday Dream may be over

THE former chairman of Sheffield Wednesday has poured scorn on the proposed multi-million pound takeover of the Owls and bluntly stated he will not accept the current offer to buy out his interest in the club.
Dave Allen told the Yorkshire Post he would only accept a full repayment of his loans in the club and also said he did not believe new chairman Lee Strafford had secured the planned investment to revitalise Wednesday.

Allen, who is owed over £2m in outstanding loans and interest payments, said: "There is no way they have done a deal with me. As far as I'm concerned there is no deal being done.

"They are wanting everybody to take a hit on the loans. As far as I'm concerned it's a debt that has got to be honoured in full."

The former chairman said the cut he had been asked to take was around a third of the full amount.

Allen's stance could derail the planned takeover which has already secured an outline agreement with the club's bank which involves the Co-op Bank foregoing around half of the £21m it is owed.

Announcing that deal, Wednesday said the arrangement was "inter-conditional" on investment being delivered and agreements with loanees, like Allen, being in place.

Strafford set a deadline of March 31 to secure the new investment package but the necessary extraordinary general meeting (EGM) of shareholders needed to complete the takeover, which takes three weeks to arrange, would have to be called by tomorrow to meet the original target date.

But Allen does not believe funding is in place. He said significant investment would mean that paying off his relatively small loans, in full, would not be a problem.

Its not like its a suprise is it, straffords wrong move since he took over was giving this deal a 'deadline' as its put him and everyone involved at this deal under pressure- and it looks like this isn't going to happen now.

Just another case of broken promises again by a wednesday chairman.

said from the start, it was a smokescreen to humour the fans. just pulicity stunts, not a penny has been invested.

its no surprise that vindictive man Dave Allen has said this ,after all this is the man who tried to sue a fan who has cancer . that tells you everything about him.

1st of July i've heard this morning :thumbsup:

i wonder if on april the first then strafford is going to come out and just say "APRIL FOOLS!!!!" ;)

Thing is, who would you put your money on to be telling the truth. Who is most likely to tell it how it REALLY is? Allen or Strafford?

1st of July i've heard this morning :thumbsup:



1st of never I heard:hihi::hihi::hihi:

Thing is, who would you put your money on to be telling the truth. Who is most likely to tell it how it REALLY is? Allen or Strafford?


Neither- if you trust a football chairman then more fool you!

What Dave Allen wants is his money back cant blame him for that. I know if it was my money i'd want it back in full not half of it.

Neither- if you trust a football chairman then more fool you!

but Allen has shown himself to be a vindictive man with the business about sueing the fans. he has an axe to grind . he is just making himself and his other business`s very unpopular with comments like this

1st of July i've heard this morning :thumbsup:

Yes I'm sure that you would be the first to know. ;)

It's all the usual suspects, why don't you guys wait and see? The fact that you don't want it to happen doesn't mean that it won't happen.

However if and when it does happen there will be, no doubt, quite a few blunts back tracking and editing/erasing their posts. :D

It's all the usual suspects, why don't you guys wait and see? The fact that you don't want it to happen doesn't mean that it won't happen.

However if and when it does happen there will be, no doubt, quite a few blunts back tracking and editing/erasing their posts. :D

you may well be right there mate :thumbsup:

Perhaps Dave Allen ought to consider how much he would get back if the club were to go into admin; which is one of the alternatives on the horizon.

Not very much I guess, as he is likely to be well down the list.

Why can't that lowlife "CRETIN" just take the first flight out of this country. He really is a first class tool.

Sorry "Dave", allegedly.

Idiot!

Why can't that lowlife "CRETIN" just take the first flight out of this country. He really is a first class tool.

Sorry "Dave", allegedly.

Idiot!

Not really- say someone owed you £1000, and after a while they came to you and said- ifstead of me paying you that £1000 im going to offer you £300 instead- would you be happy to accept that? or would you want all of your money back?

but Allen has shown himself to be a vindictive man with the business about sueing the fans. he has an axe to grind . he is just making himself and his other business`s very unpopular with comments like this

Dave Allen. puts millions of his own money into the club, gets them promoted, the team is in a better position than for the last four years.
THE FANS, slag him , hound his family, moan about everything he does, make his job impossible.

and you lot wonder why he wants his money back.:confused::confused:

any takeover dosn`t need his 10% of the club anyway . am i right in thinking that if someone buys up 79% of shares then the remaining shareholders have to sell anyway ? im sure its something along those lines.
if that is the case -he would have to sell anyway if a takeover happened

any takeover dosn`t need his 10% of the club anyway . am i right in thinking that if someone buys up 79% of shares then the remaining shareholders have to sell anyway ? im sure its something along those lines.
if that is the case -he would have to sell anyway if a takeover happened

and they would have to pay the loan money they owe him.

Dave Allen. puts millions of his own money into the club, gets them promoted, the team is in a better position than for the last four years.
THE FANS, slag him , hound his family, moan about everything he does, make his job impossible.

and you lot wonder why he wants his money back.:confused::confused:

this man is hated at hillsbro -this is a man who tried to sue his own fans -including one who has cancer -not the best move by this idiot ,was it .

i take no notice of anything that comes out of this mans mouth .

he is the man who called his own clubs fans cretins :loopy:

this man is hated at hillsbro -this is a man who tried to sue his own fans -including one who has cancer -not the best move by this idiot ,was it

he didn't just sue him for no reason did he?

The guy called him all the names under the sun and slandered his name- plus made untrue alligations about him and his family- it doesn;t matter one jot if he has got cancer- that doesn't excuse it does it?

He was perfectly within his right to sue him and if someone had done the same to you then im pretty sure you would have been mad yourself.

he is the man who called his own clubs fans cretins :loopy:

and was right.

he didn't just sue him for no reason did he?

The guy called him all the names under the sun and slandered his name- plus made untrue alligations about him and his family- it doesn;t matter one jot if he has got cancer- that doesn't excuse it does it?

He was perfectly within his right to sue him and if someone had done the same to you then im pretty sure you would have been mad yourself.

unlike Allen who did exactly the same by calling fans cretins on tv -he was quite happy to slander people too. or is it ok for him to do that ?

and was right.

How was he right ? please explain

this man is hated at hillsbro -this is a man who tried to sue his own fans -including one who has cancer -not the best move by this idiot ,was it .

i take no notice of anything that comes out of this mans mouth .

he is the man who called his own clubs fans cretins :loopy:

Yet my son comes over from Canada to see the Blades and is treated first class all the way.
After going to Coventry and QPR he has been invited to get to BDTBL early tomorrow and get a tour of the ground, meet the players and then watch the match from the sponsors suite.
Only thing that could spoil his day is meeting BladeBloke and Swervin for a pint after...Oh hang on :hihi::hihi: Joking Swerv ;)

Different gravy us Blades to you pigs...You have no clue

unlike Allen who did exactly the same by calling fans cretins on tv -he was quite happy to slander people too. or is it ok for him to do that ?

He was telling the truth, thats not slander.

Yet my son comes over from Canada to see the Blades and is treated first class all the way.
After going to Coventry and QPR he has been invited to get to BDTBL early tomorrow and get a tour of the ground, meet the players and then watch the match from the sponsors suite.
Only thing that could spoil his day is meeting BladeBloke and Swervin for a pint after...Oh hang on :hihi::hihi: Joking Swerv ;)

Different gravy us Blades to you pigs...You have no clue

that is the point we are making CB-this man has no idea how to relate to the fans -he was happy to abuse the fans ,but when a bit of flak came his way he threatens to sue .he took our club into the gutter while he was in charge.

unlike Allen who did exactly the same by calling fans cretins on tv -he was quite happy to slander people too. or is it ok for him to do that ?

no its not and if you wanted to then you could have took him to court too- like your legally entitled to.

I know allen was a idiot sometimes but he was a big reason why you guys were so sucessful for such a long time.

He was telling the truth, thats not slander.

in what way was he telling the truth ?
do you have anything to back up your arguement with proven facts?

no its not and if you wanted to then you could have took him to court too- like your legally entitled to.

I know allen was a idiot sometimes but he was a big reason why you guys were so sucessful for such a long time.

when he was in charge mate ,he was very unpopular -he was never liked by the fans

in what way was he telling the truth ?
do you have anything to back up your arguement with proven facts?

Anyone who hounds a mans family and private life because of business is a cretin. thats a fact.

when he was in charge mate ,he was very unpopular -he was never liked by the fans

He was popular enough when you got to the play offs and got promoted.

It's all the usual suspects, why don't you guys wait and see? The fact that you don't want it to happen doesn't mean that it won't happen.

However if and when it does happen there will be, no doubt, quite a few blunts back tracking and editing/erasing their posts. :D

ifv something does happen mate -thats good if not we carry on as normal

Just to clear up MrBenn,

When a company takes 49% t(i think) of the business, I believe the law requires them to make a full approach for the remainder of the shares. Whether they agree to the approach is another matter.

With regards to monies owed, even if Allen sold his shares he would still be owed monies from the loan.

If the club went into administration then the companies owed any monies would have to accept an agreement with the administrators.. If a deal caannot be reach the debt I believe remains outstanding.

As for sueing someone with cancer... whilst it is never a good time in your life, perhaps they should think about comments they make before they make them. if there was no reason to sue, then he wouldn't have.

when he was in charge mate ,he was very unpopular -he was never liked by the fans

Oh i agree mate- im just saying that for a man who did so much for wednesday and virtually stopped you going into administration he got a rough deal.

Oh i agree mate- im just saying that for a man who did so much for wednesday and virtually stopped you going into administration he got a rough deal.

the new chairman is now having to start repairing the damage caused by Allen`s total disregard for the fans. he alienated many many thousands of supporters as well as the fan group Wednesdayite . its going to take a long time for the fans to trust the club again aftre what Dave Allen did. Lee Stafford is slowly making progress ,but fans will never forget or forgive Allen for sinking so low as to sue his own supporters.

Yet my son comes over from Canada to see the Blades and is treated first class all the way.
After going to Coventry and QPR he has been invited to get to BDTBL early tomorrow and get a tour of the ground, meet the players and then watch the match from the sponsors suite.
Only thing that could spoil his day is meeting BladeBloke and Swervin for a pint after...Oh hang on :hihi::hihi: Joking Swerv ;)

Different gravy us Blades to you pigs...You have no clue

so giving a 100+ year old owls fan the full vip treatment is different gravy then? :loopy:

so giving a 100+ year old owls fan the full vip treatment is different gravy then? :loopy:

that would never have happened under Dave Allen

so giving a 100+ year old owls fan the full vip treatment is different gravy then? :loopy:

you are only a hundred once, If you are lucky :hihi::hihi:

Blades do it all the time ;)

So yes different gravy and no one has ever been attempted to be sued :D

that would never have happened under Dave Allen


Maybe Stafford can come up with another smoke screen of how hes taking your club forward by offering VIP treatment for your 100th Birthday :hihi::hihi:

that would never have happened under Dave Allen

can you prove that for a fact ? you seem to make a lot of unqualified remarks.

maybe if you live to be 1 hundred you will finally get to see a game at hillsborough.

Maybe Stafford can come up with another smoke screen of how hes taking your club forward by offering VIP treatment for your 100th Birthday :hihi::hihi:

if i lived to 100 i would never see anyone in charge at Hilsbro who sunk as low as that man Allen did.

if i lived to 100 i would never see anyone in charge at Hilsbro who sunk as low as that man Allen did.

hope he is reading this , you will bobar yourself if he sues you.
The fans sunk lower by intimidating his family , or do you think thats ok ?.
YOU ALSO HAD 3 PLAYERS WHO SUNK A LOT LOWER.

didn't some fans spit at his wife or something?

Wednesayite did themselves proud in the face of this mans provacation and abuse.
he is so far removed from reality that he even expected Wednesdayite to sell their 10% back to him after he had spent months slagging them off.

For a man who stated that he 'always has been, and always will be', a Wednesdayite, then I for one, am glad he wasn't a closet Blade, or summat else. We're talking £2.5m here, from a man probably worth around £100m now.
Sorry, 'fans' like him, we don't need. Strafford will find the money for this man, and send him on his way to Chesterfield F.C.
No big Owls fan..... and no big loss.
Rather Strafford with his £3m (which he is not going to 'invest') than this man and his tens of millions.
One's a fan, one isn't. 'Nuff said.

For a man who stated that he 'always has been, and always will be', a Wednesdayite, then I for one, am glad he wasn't a closet Blade, or summat else. We're talking £2.5m here, from a man probably worth around £100m now.
Sorry, 'fans' like him, we don't need. Strafford will find the money for this man, and send him on his way to Chesterfield F.C.
No big Owls fan..... and no big loss.
Rather Strafford with his £3m (which he is not going to 'invest') than this man and his tens of millions.
One's a fan, on isn't. 'Nuff said.

exactly right mate

For a man who stated that he 'always has been, and always will be', a Wednesdayite, then I for one, am glad he wasn't a closet Blade, or summat else. We're talking £2.5m here, from a man probably worth around £100m now.
Sorry, 'fans' like him, we don't need. Strafford will find the money for this man, and send him on his way to Chesterfield F.C.
No big Owls fan..... and no big loss.
Rather Strafford with his £3m (which he is not going to 'invest') than this man and his tens of millions.
One's a fan, on isn't. 'Nuff said.

I'd wait and see with Strafford, have another look in a year or so when the novelty of someone in charge who isn't Allen has worn off, and see what he's actually delivered for you.

You can hardly blame Allen for wanting his money in full, after the abuse he's had - although he is looking like he's just being spiteful about it now, and being awkward for the sake of it.

The life of a Sheffield fan, as soon as you think you've turned a corner, someone or something knocks you back!

Can't see where anyone can slag a man for expecting to be paid back for making a loan.
It's the people who are wanting to renage on their obligations that should be slagged.

looking forward to having a few jars with your lad after the game CB all sorted meeting bladebloke before for a couple ,a mate of mine shareholder at hillsborough wouldn't have a bad word said about allen. he was abused big time from the fans, he was in a no win situation he put his own money in and still got abuse

he will never be welcomed at Hillsbro again .
as been said -sueing the fans was hit fatel mistake and his downfall

looking forward to having a few jars with your lad after the game CB all sorted meeting bladebloke before for a couple

Make sure young CB stick his hand in his pocket mate :hihi:

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YOU ALSO HAD 3 PLAYERS WHO SUNK A LOT LOWER.
I hold no malice against the 3 players who I assume you refer to.
One of the players received the top mark in the match concerned, and what these three did was the tip of the iceberg at the time.

That many more players were not brought to justice; and evidence was stuck back in the vaults on the instruction of our FA, because to have proceeded would have brought so much bad publicity to the game in the build up on the eve of the 1966 World Cup is something that many people around at the time felt was grossly unfair.

These three commited a crime of betting against their own team, and were found guilty, as were a number of lower division players. Unfortunately reputed investigations into incidents such as money being offered to opposing teams , which included influencing the destiny of at least one major honour in the game were not completed (not concerning any Yorkshire team).

Hopefully the evidence might one day once surface again from the vaults of the Daily Express and be placed in front of a court of law. Clearly two wrongs don't make a right, and I have no further substance to back up such claims, and to say more would invoke libel laws, but they surround the same team which escaped relegation from the premier league in very dubious circumstances in 1994! There is no smoke without fire.

I hold no malice against the 3 players who I assume you refer to.
One of the players received the top mark in the match concerned, and what these three did was the tip of the iceberg at the time.

That many more players were not brought to justice; and evidence was stuck back in the vaults on the instruction of our FA, because to have done so would have brought so much bad publicity to the game in the build up on the eve of the 1966 World Cup is something that many people around at the time feel was grossly unfair.

very informative -thanks
its nice to have the facts

This is taken from this mornings Yorkshire Post think that the Wednesday Dream may be over

THE former chairman of Sheffield Wednesday has poured scorn on the proposed multi-million pound takeover of the Owls and bluntly stated he will not accept the current offer to buy out his interest in the club.
Dave Allen told the Yorkshire Post he would only accept a full repayment of his loans in the club and also said he did not believe new chairman Lee Strafford had secured the planned investment to revitalise Wednesday.

Allen, who is owed over £2m in outstanding loans and interest payments, said: "There is no way they have done a deal with me. As far as I'm concerned there is no deal being done.

"They are wanting everybody to take a hit on the loans. As far as I'm concerned it's a debt that has got to be honoured in full."

The former chairman said the cut he had been asked to take was around a third of the full amount.

Allen's stance could derail the planned takeover which has already secured an outline agreement with the club's bank which involves the Co-op Bank foregoing around half of the £21m it is owed.

Announcing that deal, Wednesday said the arrangement was "inter-conditional" on investment being delivered and agreements with loanees, like Allen, being in place.

Strafford set a deadline of March 31 to secure the new investment package but the necessary extraordinary general meeting (EGM) of shareholders needed to complete the takeover, which takes three weeks to arrange, would have to be called by tomorrow to meet the original target date.

But Allen does not believe funding is in place. He said significant investment would mean that paying off his relatively small loans, in full, would not be a problem.

And everyone said i should stop being cynical and give the bloke a try, doe's this mean he's got till midnight tommorow then the doubts will start to arise once again.
What a laugh i just didnt trust this fella to produce once id read up about him.

when he was in charge mate ,he was very unpopular -he was never liked by the fans



Woah woah woah.


Who made you official spokesman for EVERY wednesday fan. Was he unpopular after putting in this loan money or when we got promoted. I can speak for myself mate I don't need you doing it.

I think without allen we'd be in a far worse position. At the start of his chairmanship we needed him, in the end he was just too far out of touch with the fans and a change was needed.

My opinion is IF some investment comes just pay him off and leave him to clean his pigeons out!!

1st of July i've heard this morning :thumbsup:

April 1st mor like :thumbsup:

Woah woah woah.


Who made you official spokesman for EVERY wednesday fan. Was he unpopular after putting in this loan money or when we got promoted. I can speak for myself mate I don't need you doing it.

I think without allen we'd be in a far worse position. At the start of his chairmanship we needed him, in the end he was just too far out of touch with the fans and a change was needed.

My opinion is IF some investment comes just pay him off and leave him to clean his pigeons out!!

honest common sense at last. your points had already been mentioned but it doesn't seem to register with some people.

Can't see where anyone can slag a man for expecting to be paid back for making a loan.
It's the people who are wanting to renage on their obligations that should be slagged.


tell you the truth mate...the man's a bully....just give him his money and him off....good job he wer'nt our chairman in the 70s like him who owned presto tools on penistone road..poor sod had to get the glazers in every monday morning after another bad result......can't stand the man.....think he forgets where he came from slagging off my football team.....give him his due though...working class kid done good and for that i take my hat off to him...but still don't like him.....as for the takeover...if it happens or not...they'll not be throwing any money in the fans direction....as you know mate....to pay is to fail....i like mi freebies down sheffield 6...

i think this sums up his attitude to his own teams fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HVBjlgRaDA&feature=related

i think this sums up his attitude to his own teams fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HVBjlgRaDA&feature=related

yep, he was right, shot yourself in the foot a bit there, regarding the website comments from cretins, probably people who never go to games and just post crap on the internet.

Woah woah woah.


Who made you official spokesman for EVERY wednesday fan. Was he unpopular after putting in this loan money or when we got promoted. I can speak for myself mate I don't need you doing it.

I think without allen we'd be in a far worse position. At the start of his chairmanship we needed him, in the end he was just too far out of touch with the fans and a change was needed.

My opinion is IF some investment comes just pay him off and leave him to clean his pigeons out!!

Very similar to Reg Brearly, whatever anyone says he pretty much saved us from going bust and was also the man who bought Harry Bassett to the Lane.

His rein at the Lane ended in tears, very similar to the Dave Allen rein but he was our saviour (at one point).

If it hadn't have been for the Sheffield Council he'd have probably been a lot more successful at the Lane but the Wednesday fans at the top kept knocking him back time after time and i think it all became tiresome for him in the end and he wanted out.

Yes, Allen did 'save' Wednesday initially, and we're grateful for that.
No one's denying he did some good stuff for the club, and no one can deny he did some poor stuff an'all.
Weighing it all up, I believe he did more bad than good.
Shame he wasn't a real supporter as he could have done a lot better.
Strafford is not Wednesday's saviour, but he is a fan, and he will do his best for the club. Whether he can pull it off or not, we'll have to see.
The relationship between club and supporters is ten times what it was under 'the previous regime' and Strafford hasn't really started yet. He's desperately trying to entice money in to the club from various persons/consortiums who, quite easily, could have lost 50-60% of their capital in the last 6 months or so.
If he pulls it off, he's a magician.
I wish him well, but King Canute he's not! :(
We live in Hope!
Well, Walkley really, but it's near enough! :hihi:

Yes, Allen did 'save' Wednesday initially, and we're grateful for that.
No one's denying he did some good stuff for the club, and no one can deny he did some poor stuff an'all.
Weighing it all up, I believe he did more bad than good.
Shame he wasn't a real supporter as he could have done a lot better.
Strafford is not Wednesday's saviour, but he is a fan, and he will do his best for the club. Whether he can pull it off or not, we'll have to see.
The relationship between club and supporters is ten times what it was under 'the previous regime' and Strafford hasn't really started yet. He's desperately trying to entice money in to the club from various persons/consortiums who, quite easily, could have lost 50-60% of their capital in the last 6 months or so.
If he pulls it off, he's a magician.
I wish him well, but King Canute he's not! :(
We live in Hope!
Well, Walkley really, but it's near enough! :hihi:


Does Mr Strafford have any money of note to invest in the club (whether he wants to or not is upto him of course)? If he does, you would've thought that it would be a sign of his faith in his plans to invest some of his own money too, rather than just trying to get others to put their money in the club?

Even if it was just an amount that would pay off Mr Allen, and then get rid of his influence in the club for good - it'd be a price worth paying if he could, and you could seriously attract investors then? Having had a series of 'odd' Chairman before McCabe, we know how rubbish it is being in limbo, and seeing things stagnate.

Does Mr Strafford have any money of note to invest in the club (whether he wants to or not is upto him of course)? If he does, you would've thought that it would be a sign of his faith in his plans to invest some of his own money too, rather than just trying to get others to put their money in the club?

Even if it was just an amount that would pay off Mr Allen, and then get rid of his influence in the club for good - it'd be a price worth paying if he could, and you could seriously attract investors then? Having had a series of 'odd' Chairman before McCabe, we know how rubbish it is being in limbo, and seeing things stagnate.

you would have thought that Allen would`nt want to rock the boat and derail the takeover as ,if the takeover dos`nt happen and we maybe end up in administration , yes he will still get some money ,but it will only be a fraction of what he is owed.

lee strafford as you know started the business "plusnet" with another kid im lead to believe he sold part of his stake for around 35million & when he was invited onto the board he supposedly put a million straight into the club & also paid for a player from wolves in january at £500.000. its now rumoured that if & when a take over happens he will be remaining on the board plus investing another 10-15million of his own money. we can only hope, wait & see before we judge him eh & give him the benefit of doubt for now

lee strafford as you know started the business "plusnet" with another kid im lead to believe he sold part of his stake for around 35million & when he was invited onto the board he supposedly put a million straight into the club & also paid for a player from wolves in january at £500.000. its now rumoured that if & when a take over happens he will be remaining on the board plus investing another 10-15million of his own money. we can only hope, wait & see before we judge him eh & give him the benefit of doubt for now

Can you post a link to any of that information ? I was led to believe he was not investing any of his own money into the club. Also when he came to hillsborough it was only temporary but a couple of weeks later took the chairmans job which would indicate something more permanent. Also if he has recently put 1.5 million into the club administration can't be knocking on the door because he clearly is not stupid enough to throw 1.5 million away.

Just done a search , niether Lee Strafford or Nick Parker are investing any of their own money into sheffield wednesday. that was in the yorkshire post on 7-1-2009.

As I was at the Wednesdayite meeting with Mr Strafford I will say this only once it doesnt matter if the take over doesnt happen. LS stated that if the investment comes then there buisness plan will happen quicker than if the money wasnt there. He also said its not a major problem if it doesnt happen as the budget for new players will be bigger regardless for next season. I think people are making mountain out of a mole hill about the investment just because of the failures before. As for DA well he just gets kicks out of scare mongering wednesday fans and causing ructions aswell.

As I was at the Wednesdayite meeting with Mr Strafford I will say this only once it doesnt matter if the take over doesnt happen. LS stated that if the investment comes then there buisness plan will happen quicker than if the money wasnt there. He also said its not a major problem if it doesnt happen as the budget for new players will be bigger regardless for next season. I think people are making mountain out of a mole hill about the investment just because of the failures before. As for DA well he just gets kicks out of scare mongering wednesday fans and causing ructions aswell.

This man you are putting your faith into is making a lot of big noises in a short time in the job. What do you think he knows that other people who attempted to straighten this mess out don't ?
As for Dave Allen, Take it from me it may look like I am a fan of his but that could not be further from the truth for reasons which I will keep to myself.
However from a bussines point of veiw I say pay the man and have a bit of self respect. you were happy to borrow the money know stop trying to wriggle out of your liabilities.

Unless I've missed something, Lee Strafford recieved £3m (not £30m) as his share of the sale of Plusnet.
Obviously, he isn't, and was never going to 'invest' any of this paltry amount in to the club.
I say 'paltry amount', but as the Green 'Un said on Saturday, not bad for a lad 'off of the Parson Cross'.
Not sure what Parker's worth, but again, none of his money is going in to the club.
I reckon if Mr Strafford did have a similar amount to our previous 'saviour', then he would put some money in to the club, (maybe £5m, maybe £10m, maybe more.... who knows?)
One thing I'm pretty certain of, he wouldn't want it back!!!
That's the difference! :)

Unless I've missed something, Lee Strafford recieved £3m (not £30m) as his share of the sale of Plusnet.
Obviously, he isn't, and was never going to 'invest' any of this paltry amount in to the club.
I say 'paltry amount', but as the Green 'Un said on Saturday, not bad for a lad 'off of the Parson Cross'.
Not sure what Parker's worth, but again, none of his money is going in to the club.
I reckon if Mr Strafford did have a similar amount to our previous 'saviour', then he would put some money in to the club, (maybe £5m, maybe £10m, maybe more.... who knows?)
One thing I'm pretty certain of, he wouldn't want it back!!!
That's the difference! :)

So do you think there is something wrong about lending money and expecting it to be repaid ?

This man you are putting your faith into is making a lot of big noises in a short time in the job. What do you think he knows that other people who attempted to straighten this mess out don't ?
As for Dave Allen, Take it from me it may look like I am a fan of his but that could not be further from the truth for reasons which I will keep to myself.
However from a bussines point of veiw I say pay the man and have a bit of self respect. you were happy to borrow the money know stop trying to wriggle out of your liabilities.

We're not putting whole our faith in to Strafford and Parker. We just expect them to do their best, and I'm sure they will do. just that.
As I've said before, if they get any 'investment' in to Sheffield Wednesday, then I for one, will worship them as heroes and magicians.
I don't think, with the best will in the world, that they'll secure any 'proper' money in to the club, but one thing's for sure, we'll be ok.
We always are! :thumbsup:

So do you think there is something wrong about lending money and expecting it to be repaid ?

Yes, in this case, I do.
Final Answer!

We're not putting whole our faith in to Strafford and Parker. We just expect them to do their best, and I'm sure they will do. just that.
As I've said before, if they get any 'investment' in to Sheffield Wednesday, then I for one, will worship them as heroes and magicians.
I don't think, with the best will in the world, that they'll secure any 'proper' money in to the club, but one thing's for sure, we'll be ok.
We always are! :thumbsup:

Thats a top attitude like you say you'll still be ok.:thumbsup:.
Wish my wife would think like that and stop moaning.:hihi:.

Yes, in this case, I do.
Final Answer!

Well I think it's a disgrace and embarrasment to sheffield.
People struggling with gas and electricity bills will wonder what they are doing wrong.

At the time, when I heard the chairman was lending the club some money, I personally would have called a board meeting and questioned one or two peoples commitment, and on reaching a conclusion, would have acted on it. How would Blades feel if Kevin McCabe had loaned United the money he has in the club?
The hotels, the foreign clubs, the transfers, the wages .... EVERYTHING was just a loan, and say, in ten years, he wanted his £100m back?
Go on, lie to me, cause you'll probably not tell the truth.

At the time, when I heard the chairman was lending the club some money, I personally would have called a board meeting and questioned one or two peoples commitment, and on reaching a conclusion, would have acted on it. How would Blades feel if Kevin McCabe had loaned United the money he has in the club?
The hotels, the foreign clubs, the transfers, the wages .... EVERYTHING was just a loan, and say, in ten years, he wanted his £100m back?
Go on, lie to me, cause you'll probably not tell the truth.

who are you accusing of lying ?:rant:. that title belongs to an owls on here who does it on a regular basis.

Investing is what McCABE has done not loaned, like Allen he can sell his investment.
Loads of people have loaned Blades money in the past even Dave Bassett loaned us £150,000, other directors loaned money for player purchases, to my knowledge NONE of them have been asked to take a third less than they put in.

what hapend to your FINAL WORD. OR WAS YOU LYING THEN.:rolleyes:.

Does Mr Strafford have any money of note to invest in the club (whether he wants to or not is upto him of course)? If he does, you would've thought that it would be a sign of his faith in his plans to invest some of his own money too, rather than just trying to get others to put their money in the club?

Even if it was just an amount that would pay off Mr Allen, and then get rid of his influence in the club for good - it'd be a price worth paying if he could, and you could seriously attract investors then? Having had a series of 'odd' Chairman before McCabe, we know how rubbish it is being in limbo, and seeing things stagnate.

I think that if Mr Strafford had enough personal disposable cash, then yes, I reckon he would pay Dave Allen off in full.
Sadly, in the whole scheme of things, Mr. Strafford is not rich enough to go throwing millions of quid around.
Sad, but that's the way it is.

who are you accusing of lying?:rant:. that title belongs to an owls on here who does it on a regular basis.

Investing is what McCABE has done not loaned, like Allen he can sell his investment.
Loads of people have loaned Blades money in the past even Dave Bassett loaned us £150,000, other directors loaned money for player purchases, to my knowledge NONE of them have been asked to take a third less than they put in.

what hapend to your FINAL WORD. OR WAS YOU LYING THEN.:rolleyes:.


who are you accusing of lying?: - Calm down Alex! I wasn't talking to you personally.
Investing is what McCABE has done not loaned - Ed Zachary what I was saying.
My 'final word' was concerning your question about the 'loan' and the 'paying back of'.
Dave Bassett wasn't worth upwards of £85m, and he wasn't the chairman (the saviour).
I believe Kevin McCabe has some interest in the property and development side of the club, but he won't, for one minute, want all his 'investment' back when he does decide enough's enough.

who are you accusing of lying?: - Calm down Alex! I wasn't talking to you personally.
Investing is what McCABE has done not loaned - Ed Zachary what I was saying.
My 'final word' was concerning your question about the 'loan' and the 'paying back of'.
Dave Bassett wasn't worth upwards of £85m, and he wasn't the chairman (the saviour).
I believe Kevin McCabe has some interest in the property and development side of the club, but he won't, for one minute, want all his 'investment' back when he does decide enough's enough.

yes and like I said McCabe will be able to sell them.
Just who was you expecting to lie to you then ?

And in the case of Dave Bassett lending the club £150k, how's that for commitment in contrast to £2.5m from 'someone' worth upwards of £85m?
You didn't answer my question properly.
I've changed it slightly.

How would United fans feel if Kevin McCabe left in 12 months time, and wanted all the money he'd 'invested' in the club, repaid? .... NOW!

I thought Mr McCabe had 'helped' the club, because he loves the club?

Again, that's the difference!

This man you are putting your faith into is making a lot of big noises in a short time in the job. What do you think he knows that other people who attempted to straighten this mess out don't ?
As for Dave Allen, Take it from me it may look like I am a fan of his but that could not be further from the truth for reasons which I will keep to myself.
However from a bussines point of veiw I say pay the man and have a bit of self respect. you were happy to borrow the money know stop trying to wriggle out of your liabilities.

He obviously has better buisness skills than the dross we had before and knows how to make money thats the differance. Aswell as being a peoples person and actually listening instead of just pretending to be deaf.

yes and like I said McCabe will be able to sell them.
Just who was you expecting to lie to you then ?

Sell them to who?
And would the 'who' just be interested in the property and overseas section, or be involved with the football side of things at S2 as well?
I didn't mean lie, I meant that I'd get a politician's answer from ALL United fans, and you've not let me down. ;)

lee strafford as you know started the business "plusnet" with another kid im lead to believe he sold part of his stake for around 35million & when he was invited onto the board he supposedly put a million straight into the club & also paid for a player from wolves in january at £500.000. its now rumoured that if & when a take over happens he will be remaining on the board plus investing another 10-15million of his own money. we can only hope, wait & see before we judge him eh & give him the benefit of doubt for now

LS was right hand man to the fella who was the brains behind Plusnet and recieved about £2m/£3m from the sale.

When BT took over the company LS was kept on for a while until BT had enough of him and sack him.........end of story.

And in the case of Dave Bassett lending the club £150k, how's that for commitment in contrast to £2.5m from 'someone' worth upwards of £85?
You didn't answer my question properly.
I've changed it slightly.

How would United fans feel if Kevin McCabe left in 12 months time, and wanted all the money he'd 'invested' in the club, repaid? .... NOW!

I thought Mr McCabe had 'helped' the club, because he loves the club?

Again, that's the difference!

Your question doesn't make any sense earwiggo. McCABE or anyone else who wanted to sell their stake in a bussines,choose whatever the bussines is ,would need to sell their stake in that company, no one can demand their money NOW as you put it.
Aso neither is Dave Allen , he just says he wants payment in full if anyone buys the club. He isn't asking for it NOW. Which is very good of him considering the circumstances. The point here is Dave Allens loan to the club, not his shareholdings.

We'll agree to disagree Alex.
There shouldn't be any loans.
Final Answer! ;)

DA is getting his pants in a twist cos he's owed £2m and Wednesday want to strike a deal to pay him back a third of what is owed.

This LS sounds like a reight bright lad to me!!!!

Sell them to who?

Exactly my point if you have no buyer who can you demand payment off NOW.



And would the 'who' just be interested in the property and overseas section, or be involved with the football side of things at S2 as well?
I didn't mean lie, I meant that I'd get a politician's answer from ALL United fans, and you've not let me down. ;)


I have not given you anything but straight answers , your reference to politicians replies is a veiled way of saying lying then . your support is admirable, your tunnel vision on matters of bussines is a shame.

We'll agree to disagree Alex.
There shouldn't be any loans.
Final Answer! ;)


Pay the loans like everyone else has to.
FINAL ANSWER.

Pay the loans like everyone else has to.
FINAL ANSWER.

You're banging your head against a brick wall on this one.

I tried reasoning with him myself at one point, i just humour him now though, its much easier!!! :loopy:

You're banging your head against a brick wall on this one, old Earwiggo isn't the sharpest tool in the box.

I tried reasoning with him myself at one point, i just humour him now though, its much easier!!! :loopy:

yep, I know wha you mean , I find him ok, though he does talk a lot of bobar.

I have not given you anything but straight answers , your reference to politicians replies is a veiled way of saying lying then . your support is admirable, your tunnel vision on matters of bussines is a shame.

A politician's answer is not a veiled lie, as you put it, but 99% of the time, is a lot of words, and rarely contained in those words, is the answer to the question.

e,g "Mr Brown, will you be raising the rate of income tax in the next budget, YES or NO?"

Brown: " The current levels of income tax.... blah, blah, blah!"

YES or NO Mr Brown?

"What I said at the Brighton Conference was ... blah, blah, blah.!"

That type of Politician's answer! ;)

A politician's answer is not a veiled lie, as you put it, but 99% of the time, is a lot of words, and rarely contained in those words, is the answer to the question.

e,g "Mr Brown, will you be raising the rate of income tax in the next budget, YES or NO?"

Brown: " The current levels of income tax.... blah, blah, blah!"

YES or NO Mr Brown?

"What I said at the Brighton Conference was ... blah, blah, blah.!"

That type of Politician's answer! ;)


YES but YOU used a politicians answer in explanation of saying peoples replies to you would be LIES.

Like I said , BOBAR.

yep, I know wha you mean , I find him ok, though he does talk a lot of bobar.

tends to repeat himself a hell of a lot in the hope someone will start to believe what he's saying!!!

And you two of course, are the Oracle, the Numero Uno's, the big cheese.

Yeah..... right!
When I want your opinions on my state of mind, I'll ask for them.
At least show me the courtesy of p emming each other (as you have in the past to castigate me, and 'mob up' on me) rather than posting deroagatory remarks on a public forum.

Nice lad just not very bright and tends to repeat himself a hell of a lot in the hope someone will start to believe what he's saying!!!

YEP , theres another one like that on here but a least earwiggo believes in what he says , the other one just tells blatant porkies and keeps getting caught out.

And you two of course, are the Oracle, the Numero Uno's, the big cheese.

Yeah..... right!
When I want your opinions on my state of mind, I'll ask for them.
At least show me the courtesy of p emming each other (as you have in the past to castigate me, and 'mob up' on me) rather than posting deroagatory remarks on a public forum.
Yer pair o' tossers.

I've never PM'd anyone to gang up on you.

And you two of course, are the Oracle, the Numero Uno's, the big cheese.

Yeah..... right!
When I want your opinions on my state of mind, I'll ask for them.
At least show me the courtesy of p emming each other (as you have in the past to castigate me, and 'mob up' on me) rather than posting deroagatory remarks on a public forum.
Yer pair o' tossers.

:hihi::hihi: . never pm'd stockers in my life, you getting him mixed up with someone else.
Anyway earwiggo I have said I admire your loyalty and your attitude to whatever happens at hillsborough.
chill out mate and thanks for the compliment.
nutter carved in stone:hihi::hihi:

I've never PM'd anyone to gang up on you, you know i've always thought you were a bit simple!!

Get off mi back.
Not exactly Bamber Gascoigne yourself!
I know who 'the pack' are on this forum, but I would never have included you in it.
Now I know you are just another Lemming.
That's a shame, 'cause you normally post good stuff.
Unlike me, who only posts complete rubbish.
Gorra go out tut shops 'n' tpub, thank God.
See ya later!

Goo Goo Goo ..... where's my carer?

YES but YOU used a politicians answer in explanation of saying peoples replies to you would be LIES.

Like I said , BOBAR.

I implied that United fans would avoid a proper answer, not lie.
Is that clear enough now?

I implied that United fans would avoid a proper answer, not lie.
Is that clear enough now?

yep no probs.:thumbsup:. Although you have been given proper answers and can't accept the truth.



now don't cross the road on your own when you go to the shops.:D.

one bonus of going in to admin would be that D Allen would get nowhere near what he is owed-and that would be justice for the fans he insulted and tried to sue

one bonus of going in to admin would be that D Allen would get nowhere near what he is owed-and that would be justice for the fans he insulted and tried to sue

Not paying your debts is nothing for any fans to be proud of.

but admin would mean we would get rid of the majority of the debt in one go -and any creditors would only recieve pennies -go for it i say . if it means we have to start next season in league one i think its a price worth paying to finally br debt free and start again.-makes perfect sense

but admin would mean we would get rid of the majority of the debt in one go -and any creditors would only recieve pennies -go for it i say . if it means we have to start next season in league one i think its a price worth paying to finally br debt free and start again.-makes perfect sense

No your wrong , they have to agree with their creditors to get out of admin or lose more points.

No your wrong , they have to agree with their creditors to get out of admin or lose more points.

the only way out of this is to go into admin, take the points deduction on the chin and rebuild.
we will never repay our way out of this debt -so i say go for it and if the creditors dont like it -tough

the only way out of this is to go into admin, take the points deduction on the chin and rebuild.
we will never repay our way out of this debt -so i say go for it and if the creditors dont like it -tough


things do seem so simple to some people.:rolleyes:.

what is simple is that its quiet clear the blame for this (after reading todays statement ) can be layed firmly at the door of Allen. the bank ,who are owed a hell of a lot more money then him have accepted a deal ,but because he has a grudge against some fans is trying to scupper any possible deal.

what is simple is that its quiet clear the blame for this (after reading todays statement ) can be layed firmly at the door of Allen. the bank ,who are owed a hell of a lot more money then him have accepted a deal ,but because he has a grudge against some fans is trying to scupper any possible deal.

the bank agreed a deal in principle that other people took a cut on their money, hardly agreeing , if they were that much behind the club why worry about other peoples debts. What is blatantly clear is the blame lies with the people who got wednesday in this crap a long time before allen came and bailed you out. thought you knew about your club.

what is simple is that its quiet clear the blame for this (after reading todays statement ) can be layed firmly at the door of Allen. the bank ,who are owed a hell of a lot more money then him have accepted a deal ,but because he has a grudge against some fans is trying to scupper any possible deal.

Im sorry but what deal is this?

there is no investors wanting to put any money in wednesday so i don;t see how you can say that allen has scuppered the deal- there is no deal to scupper???

Im sorry but what deal is this?

there is no investors wanting to put any money in wednesday so i don;t see how you can say that allen has scuppered the deal- there is no deal to scupper???

Think this answers your Quiestion without naming names but if they did that they would get sewed wouldnt they as thats sort of person he is....
Quote from Wednesdayites responce from there website
"Wednesdayite are disappointed that all Loan note holders could not agree to the future well-being of the club and thus hinder possible future investment."

Think this answers your Quiestion without naming names but if they did that they would get sewed wouldnt they as thats sort of person he is....
Quote from Wednesdayites responce from there website
"Wednesdayite are disappointed that all Loan note holders could not agree to the future well-being of the club and thus hinder possible future investment."

weel that s clearly pointed at Allen -he can sue me if he wants to try:hihi:

Ok- so its not a deal- its a write down of the debt then.

i understand now- i know im a blade and and i can see why your mad but i still can't see one valid reason why he should accept the deal?

Ok- so its not a deal- its a write down of the debt then.

i understand now- i know im a blade and and i can see why your mad but i still can't see one valid reason why he should accept the deal?

Thats the reason :hihi:

lol ;) ;)

sorry- i blame my dad!!!

lol ;) ;)

sorry- i blame my dad!!!

Its ok we all have our faults and we all have reasons to lay blame at out parents feet for something :hihi:

what is simple is that its quiet clear the blame for this (after reading todays statement ) can be layed firmly at the door of Allen. the bank ,who are owed a hell of a lot more money then him have accepted a deal ,but because he has a grudge against some fans is trying to scupper any possible deal.

Wednesday haven't said they wont pay Allen.
It's a case of some now, some later.
What's wrong with that?

Wednesday haven't said they wont pay Allen.
It's a case of some now, some later.
What's wrong with that?

the point here is he wont accept the same sort of deal the bank have agreed to in principle-the statement by the club is obviously aimed at him -also wednesdayite has said the same on their website

the point here is he wont accept the same sort of deal the bank have agreed to in principle-the statement by the club is obviously aimed at him -also wednesdayite has said the same on their website

wednesdayites said other loanees not only Allen , you have no way of substatiating it was only Allen, Also it's nothing to do with the bank that he wants his money back. Why if the bank are so good did they make that a stipulation ? cos they knew it wouldn't happen.

the only way out of this is to go into admin, take the points deduction on the chin and rebuild.
we will never repay our way out of this debt -so i say go for it and if the creditors dont like it -tough

So I take it that you're not one of the creditors then ?

its perfectly clear who has done the damage to the investment the club were trying to bring in.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Owls-drop-investment-deadline.5056193.jp

its perfectly clear who has done the damage to the investment the club were trying to bring in.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Owls-drop-investment-deadline.5056193.jp

your like a broken record , there is no investment , keep up.

Dave Allen. puts millions of his own money into the club, gets them promoted, the team is in a better position than for the last four years.
THE FANS, slag him , hound his family, moan about everything he does, make his job impossible.

and you lot wonder why he wants his money back.:confused::confused:

If you believe that, then bloody hell. How much do you think this certain person will have gained in the end? Also a certain debt has increased considerably in that persons reign.

This person insulted fans, sued them, increased ticket prices, ran the business shoddily, we kept having sections of the ground roped off, not to mention certain players getting fed up and jumping ship, yet Strafford walks in and is changing simple things to improve income and make people feel welcome.

Yet we do need investment

If you believe that, then bloody hell. How much do you think this certain person will have gained in the end? Also a certain debt has increased considerably in that persons reign.

This person insulted fans, sued them, increased ticket prices, ran the business shoddily, we kept having sections of the ground roped off, not to mention certain players getting fed up and jumping ship, yet Strafford walks in and is changing simple things to improve income and make people feel welcome.

Yet we do need investment

no smoke without fire.

If you believe that, then bloody hell. How much do you think this certain person will have gained in the end? Also a certain debt has increased considerably in that persons reign.

This person insulted fans, sued them, increased ticket prices, ran the business shoddily, we kept having sections of the ground roped off, not to mention certain players getting fed up and jumping ship, yet Strafford walks in and is changing simple things to improve income and make people feel welcome.

Yet we do need investment

Exactly mate -but some people think he was god`s gift ,when in reality he has a grudge against certain fan groups and the fans he tried to sue .

i seem to be struggling to think of another chairman who has sued his own clubsfans

Exactly mate -but some people think he was god`s gift ,when in reality he has a grudge against certain fan groups and the fans he tried to sue .

i seem to be struggling to think of another chairman who has sued his own clubsfans

Wasn't it sheffield wednesday who sued the fans ?

If you believe that, then bloody hell. How much do you think this certain person will have gained in the end? Also a certain debt has increased considerably in that persons reign.

This person insulted fans, sued them, increased ticket prices, ran the business shoddily, we kept having sections of the ground roped off, not to mention certain players getting fed up and jumping ship, yet Strafford walks in and is changing simple things to improve income and make people feel welcome.

Yet we do need investment

Exactly its funny how people forget about the fact he sewed his own fans including a guy with cancer who could of lost his buisness house everything and had chance to stop it all but didnt till well after he left. Calling fans cretins slagging a poor lady of infront of the world media, putting things in places to make fans not part of the club having photo ID scheme. The staff hated going into work because there ideas wasnt being listend to and was being bossed about. I think I have covered most but if anyone else wants to add to the amazing time at S6 of DA please add onto it. Yes he put £2m and all I will say is the guy isnt stupid plus when DA took over at hillsborough a friend of a friend said he new him and will be biggest mistake in wednesdays history to have him on board and hay presto left us with more debt than when he arrived.

Wasn't it sheffield wednesday who sued the fans ?

and the chairman decided to sue them -and the man in charge ? give the man a coconut -your right Dave Allen

and the chairman decided to sue them -and the man in charge ? give the man a coconut -your right Dave Allen

is there a point to that. you have posted nothing but Dave Allen all day . It wouldn't be so bad if you knew your way to the ground.

ben,alex why don't you 2 sort out you differences
every time i log on it mostly you 2 bickering
put each other on ignore


and keep:D

ben,alex why don't you 2 sort out you differences
every time i log on it mostly you 2 bickering
put each other on ignore


and keep:D

Last time I had him on ignore I still got banned. he has posted off thread on four different threads all on the same subject. anyone else and the grass button would be red hot.

Last time I had him on ignore I still got banned. he has posted off thread on four different threads all on the same subject. anyone else and the grass button would be red hot.

he has more time than most off us looking at his post count
just dont get thesen banned fella

back on topic July 1st init ?

Exactly its funny how people forget about the fact he sewed his own fans including a guy with cancer who could of lost his buisness house everything and had chance to stop it all but didnt till well after he left. Calling fans cretins slagging a poor lady of infront of the world media, putting things in places to make fans not part of the club having photo ID scheme. The staff hated going into work because there ideas wasnt being listend to and was being bossed about. I think I have covered most but if anyone else wants to add to the amazing time at S6 of DA please add onto it. Yes he put £2m and all I will say is the guy isnt stupid plus when DA took over at hillsborough a friend of a friend said he new him and will be biggest mistake in wednesdays history to have him on board and hay presto left us with more debt than when he arrived.

Sorry Jibbs, but had to laugh at your little mistake about 'sewing' the fans (should be sued) but then you said 'including a guy'.
I just had visions of a Guy Fawkes slumped outside the kop end!
No offence fella, I just thought it were funny!
You seem to have posted a pretty comprehensive list, certainly a lot more than I remembered. Things were even worse than I realised, now you've brought it all back to me. :)

Sorry Jibbs, but had to laugh at your little mistake about 'sewing' the fans (should be sued) but then you said 'including a guy'.
I just had visions of a Guy Fawkes slumped outside the kop end!
No offence fella, I just thought it were funny!
You seem to have posted a pretty comprehensive list, certainly a lot more than I remembered. Things were even worse than I realised, now you've brought it all back to me. :)

things were shocking fella . that man had no idea how to relate with the fdans and seemed hell bent on falling out with as many fans as he could

i dont understand why owls are even believing what allen has said. i can understand a blade believing it but come on, allen is well out of the loop, he doesnt know what strafford is doing investment wise. allen steadied the club when he first started but it was clear he had to go nearer the end of his reign. i'm not going to believe any of this until the 31st, if nothing happens by then maybe allen does know a little

i dont understand why owls are even believing what allen has said. i can understand a blade believing it but come on, allen is well out of the loop, he doesnt know what strafford is doing investment wise. allen steadied the club when he first started but it was clear he had to go nearer the end of his reign. i'm not going to believe any of this until the 31st, if nothing happens by then maybe allen does know a little

i think we can forget the 31st mate after todays statement

i dont understand why owls are even believing what allen has said. i can understand a blade believing it but come on, allen is well out of the loop, he doesnt know what strafford is doing investment wise. allen steadied the club when he first started but it was clear he had to go nearer the end of his reign. i'm not going to believe any of this until the 31st, if nothing happens by then maybe allen does know a little

read your own website and then believe.

i have read the website just now but this thread was started before that was up and still people were talking as if allen was right. i would never trust anything he says but looks like he is right, although it doesnt sound like he is helping matters much

i have read the website just now but this thread was started before that was up and still people were talking as if allen was right. i would never trust anything he says but looks like he is right, although it doesnt sound like he is helping matters much

you could say he`s not helping matters mate ,that is for sure

i have read the website just now but this thread was started before that was up and still people were talking as if allen was right. i would never trust anything he says but looks like he is right, although it doesnt sound like he is helping matters much

I'll leave that one with you.:confused::confused:.

Wasn't it sheffield wednesday who sued the fans ?

You are deluded mate

Edit: Sorry I've seen you're a blade. You're on the wind up, no one in their right mind could ever give that former chairman a good word.

You are deluded mate

not deluded just been reading it , sheffield wednesday board , although reading other articles it was on behalf of Allen. But your right basically it was Allen, who was right by the way.

You are deluded mate

Edit: Sorry I've seen you're a blade. You're on the wind up, no one in their right mind could ever give that former chairman a good word.

edited before my post. ;):thumbsup:.
well done tonight by the way..................................to preston for never giving up.:D:D.

not deluded just been reading it , sheffield wednesday board , although reading other articles it was on behalf of Allen. But your right basically it was Allen, who was right by the way.

You obviouslyknow jack ****. What kind of chairman sues the clubs supporters? I've heard many blades have a pop at McCabe in the last few months, you don't see him suing anyone.

edited before my post. ;):thumbsup:.
well done tonight by the way..................................to preston for never giving up.:D:D.

Same to you against Blackpool :thumbsup:

You obviouslyknow jack ****. What kind of chairman sues the clubs supporters? I've heard many blades have a pop at McCabe in the last few months, you don't see him suing anyone.

EXCEPT west ham mate and what a load of crap we have had from your lot about that.

EXCEPT west ham mate and what a load of crap we have had from your lot about that.

They are totally different.

They are totally different.

agreed Alty McCabe was right to do it.

there seems to be a patten forming here -every one of us owls detest that man Allen for what he did to our club.

there seems to be a patten forming here -every one of us owls detest that man Allen for what he did to our club.

I'd look a bit further down the line to the likes of Francis, Pleat and Sir Dave Richards if you're looking for someone to blame for Wednesdays current plight.

DA got Wednesday out of a hole and put a lot of his own money into the club though he's a business man and was obviously in it to make money (i've heard his family are Blades, he surely has to be, you couldn't make it up how he's screwed Wednesday in the last 12 months).

The Wednesday fans got greedy and screwed DA and his family over so he's now doing exactly the same to them and he'll walk away with £2m in his back pocket, i think he's the one laughing now.

I'd look a bit further down the line to the likes of Francis, Pleat and Sir Dave Richards if you're looking for someone to blame for Wednesdays current plight.

DA got Wednesday out of a hole and put a lot of his own money into the club though he's a business man and was obviously in it to make money (i've heard his family are Blades, he surely has to be, you couldn't make it up how he's screwed Wednesday in the last 12 months).

The Wednesday fans got greedy and screwed DA and his family over so he's now doing exactly the same to them and he'll walk away with £2m in his back pocket, i think he's the one laughing now.


I have never read so much rubbish (being polite its family forum) in my life and you have to be a blade to right so much trash. If your not a wednesday fan you wont understand there for move on to a thread where you can comment you fool:thumbsup:.

I have never read so much rubbish (being polite its family forum) in my life and you have to be a blade to right so much trash. If your not a wednesday fan you wont understand there for move on to a thread where you can comment you fool:thumbsup:.

which bits don't you agree with, ok the bit about DA's family being Blades was a wind up but surely you don't dismiss any blame on Richards, Francis and Pleat behalf?

which bits don't you agree with, ok the bit about DA's family being Blades was a wind up but surely you don't dismiss any blame on Richards, Francis and Pleat behalf?

Wednesday fans screwing dave allen over now how the hell did that happem? hes the one who sewed us not other way round and for the safety of myself I wont put what I want as I dont want court proceedings agains me thanks.

Wednesday fans screwing dave allen over now how the hell did that happem? hes the one who sewed us not other way round and for the safety of myself I wont put what I want as I dont want court proceedings agains me thanks.

thats the sort of man Allen is -he would`nt think twice about sueing anyone who dares to critisize him .

I have never read so much rubbish (being polite its family forum) in my life and you have to be a blade to right so much trash. If your not a wednesday fan you wont understand there for move on to a thread where you can comment you fool:thumbsup:.

anyone can comment on this forum.
Allen started great for wednesday, the fans turned on him and SOME of the fans behavior was over the top , Allens response to them was maybe over the top but by reading your last post it proves it solved the problem.

thats the sort of man Allen is -he would`nt think twice about sueing anyone who dares to critisize him .

think you mean slandering him , and it worked.

which bits don't you agree with, ok the bit about DA's family being Blades was a wind up but surely you don't dismiss any blame on Richards, Francis and Pleat behalf?
He's got a very valid point there, and add Danny Wilson to the list.

Dave Allen inherited a complete mess from the aforementioned, which got deeper each season over the next six years.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing; but a number of people believe he should have put the club into administration when the debt was smaller, and before the rules were changed.

But, he tried to ride the storm. You cannot question his integrity in doing that; only his judgement, pig headedness and inflexibility on later decisions, but the initial damage was done long before his arrival.

Thank you, Mr Richards.

think you mean slandering him , and it worked.

do you agree its ok for him to slander fans ,and not get it back ?

as the old saying goes "if you cant stand the heat "

do you agree its ok for him to slander fans ,and not get it back ?

as the old saying goes "if you cant stand the heat "

who did Allen slander ?

who did Allen slander ?

calling fans "cretins "
calling a lady wednesday fan a "venomus bitch"
calling fans "scum"

need i go on

calling a lady wednesday fan a "venomus bitch"


whats that the one who spat at him and his wife?

do you agree its ok for him to slander fans ,and not get it back ?

as the old saying goes "if you cant stand the heat "

I think a lot of finger pointing and name calling came from both camps, it was all very petty.

I didn't follow the whole sueing thing too much so i don't know what was said but surely any man of Dave Allens wealth and stature could take a bit of name calling or did it go further than that?

The fact of the matter is DA is having the last laugh, he's got the club over a barrall and as soon as they get close to any sort of take over he pulls their pants down and slaps the arse of every fan who slandered him and abused his family.

DA is toying with Wednesday and could do for a number of years to come.

calling fans "cretins "
calling a lady wednesday fan a "venomus bitch"
calling fans "scum"

need i go on

none of that is slander unless it's a lie.
the point you miss, maybe because your not a real fan yourself is, he did not make those comments to ALL the fans , just the ones who earned the privelage.

calling fans "cretins "
calling a lady wednesday fan a "venomus bitch"
calling fans "scum"

need i go on

Was this not in relatiation to abuse he had already recieved from Wednesdayite (who seem to be trouble causers themselves)?

As far as DA and wednesday are concerned they are just as bad as each other- calling each other discusting names then getting upset when each other takes offence from then.

Was this not in relatiation to abuse he had already recieved from Wednesdayite (who seem to be trouble causers themselves)?

Wednesdayite were not and are not trouble causers. They have the club at heart. They're working with the club now which is great, helping to improve the academy etc.

As far as DA and wednesday are concerned they are just as bad as each other- calling each other discusting names then getting upset when each other takes offence from then.

Christ sake, all chairmen are going to get criticism at some point and that one duly deserved much of it. Plenty of chairman have recieved criticism but I haven't see any other suing the clubs own supporters. Utter disgrace.

none of that is slander unless it's a lie.
the point you miss, maybe because your not a real fan yourself is, he did not make those comments to ALL the fans , just the ones who earned the privelage.

Each comment you make is utter drivvle. Take your red and white specs off, I understand you pobably hate Wednesday, but don't let it cloud your opinion on things like that, because you obviously don't know what went off and are spouting crap.

Christ sake, all chairmen are going to get criticism at some point and that one duly deserved much of it. Plenty of chairman have recieved criticism but I haven't see any other suing the clubs own supporters. Utter disgrace.


So do many chairmen get spat at by there own fans then?

chairmen get abuse yes- its part and parcel of the game BUT - when its gets deeply personal and basically it just goes into downright lies against a man then that takes if OFF the football level that is acceptable and takes it to the personal level which is wrong in my opinion.

Im not saying DA was right to do what he did (infact i though he was wrong) BUT- he didn't sue for no reason did he.

Each comment you make is utter drivvle. Take your red and white specs off, I understand you pobably hate Wednesday, but don't let it cloud your opinion on things like that, because you obviously don't know what went off and are spouting crap.

there's only one person spouting crap at the moment ,you.
Take your blue and white specs off and look at things from both sides.
We all know what went off and while saying Allen was unwise to do what he did, we can also say certain [not all] so called fans behaved disgracefully and if you can't admit that there's no point replying with meaningless crap.

there's only one person spouting crap at the moment ,you.
Take your blue and white specs off and look at things from both sides.
We all know what went off and while saying Allen was unwise to do what he did, we can also say certain [not all] so called fans behaved disgracefully and if you can't admit that there's no point replying with meaningless crap.


not in boozer yet mate......you are slipping...what with cheltenham on aswell....you making a beer tmrow.....

not in boozer yet mate......you are slipping...what with cheltenham on aswell....you making a beer tmrow.....

Defo, do you want picking up ?
gambling on line today.

Defo, do you want picking up ?
gambling on line today.



cheers mate but got a job first then getting dropped off for one.....be nice to see you.....oh by the way have you got sat nav.....don't want thi getting lost in france....hee! hee!....ps dont forget thi stick of rock...

So do many chairmen get spat at by there own fans then?

chairmen get abuse yes- its part and parcel of the game BUT - when its gets deeply personal and basically it just goes into downright lies against a man then that takes if OFF the football level that is acceptable and takes it to the personal level which is wrong in my opinion.

Im not saying DA was right to do what he did (infact i though he was wrong) BUT- he didn't sue for no reason did he.

I can't say I saw anybody spit at Allen, but I would not condone that at all. He didn't sue people for spitting at him! It was just internet talk (like this) which would happens everyday in the pub and at the matches. When you're in a privilaged postion like that, you have to accept you're going to take some flack, whether its justified or not, but in this case I think it was.

there's only one person spouting crap at the moment ,you.
Take your blue and white specs off and look at things from both sides.
We all know what went off and while saying Allen was unwise to do what he did, we can also say certain [not all] so called fans behaved disgracefully and if you can't admit that there's no point replying with meaningless crap.

Behaved disgracefully?? They just criticised him on the net, no different to pub talk or saying it at matches. I can understand beingmiffed at it, but to actually sue someone over it.

These people were scared about how they were going to pay legal fees etc. It just was not on at all.

Behaved disgracefully?? They just criticised him on the net, no different to pub talk or saying it at matches. I can understand beingmiffed at it, but to actually sue someone over it.

These people were scared about how they were going to pay legal fees etc. It just was not on at all.

spitting at his wife , insulting his family, as for the people he sued , their ploppers went didn't they ? It put a stop to it. Although I do think it was a bit over the top as I already have said numerous times.
It served it's purpose as far as Allen was concerned.

spitting at his wife , insulting his family, as for the people he sued , their ploppers went didn't they ? It put a stop to it. Although I do think it was a bit over the top as I already have said numerous times.
It served it's purpose as far as Allen was concerned.

Can't say I saw anybody spit at Allen. If so then rightly they should have been dealt with. As should the people who threw **** at us Wednesdayites at your ground. These people are just utter morons. From what I know the ones sued were from a certain internet site and not scrubbers who spit at people.

Allen only ever owned 10% ofthe shares -the same as the other board members -who also put in roughly the same amount of money in loans. i dont hear of them, jumping up and down ,trying to wreck anypossible investment deal.

Allen only ever owned 10% ofthe shares -the same as the other board members -who also put in roughly the same amount of money in loans. i dont hear of them, jumping up and down ,trying to wreck anypossible investment deal.

1/ the statement says it has not reached an agreement with the loanees, meaning more than one.
2/ What investment deal ? there isn't one.

1/ the statement says it has not reached an agreement with the loanees, meaning more than one.
2/ What investment deal ? there isn't one.

i said POSSIBLE investment

i said POSSIBLE investment

Fair enough , back to point one. or do you just IGNORE your mistakes as usual.

With regards to Allen suing people, the Owls SHOULD accept that if there was no grounds to sue then he wouldn't have sued.

We're not talking petty insults - we're talking slander. Whether DA was right to sue is one matter, but obviously he wasn't the cause of that problem, said Owls who posted these comments were.

1/ the statement says it has not reached an agreement with the loanees, meaning more than one.


Yes because, Allen won't accept a slight lower figure whereas the other creditors have. If Allen wants paying in full, then all the other creditors will have to be paid in full. Thats the problem I've gathered reading around.

People could argue its in Allen's right to want full payment, but he might not get any money for his shares if we go into admin (can't see it happening).
I have other reasons why I don't think he should, but I'm not going to bother saying them, might get sued :hihi:

Yes because, Allen won't accept a slight lower figure whereas the other creditors have. If Allen wants paying in full, then all the other creditors will have to be paid in full. Thats the problem I've gathered reading around.

People could argue its in Allen's right to want full payment, but he might not get any money for his shares if we go into admin (can't see it happening).
I have other reasons why I don't think he should, but I'm not going to bother saying them, might get sued :hihi:


HOW do you know the other loanees have accepted a lower figure ?
It's not what the statement from wednesdayite or your club have said.
the only people to say it's only Allen are you and mr benn.

And yes he has every right to expect repayment,a bit embarrassing for your lot going cap in hand to Allen.

HOW do you know the other loanees have accepted a lower figure ?
It's not what the statement from wednesdayite or your club have said.
the only people to say it's only Allen are you and mr benn.

And yes he has every right to expect repayment,a bit embarrasing for your lot going cap in hand to Allen.

LS mentioned previously that the bank had agreed to have a trim on what they're owed. The other creditors co-opted LS onto the board, LS has also said those people want the best for Wednesday and want to sell up to get Wednesday moving forward again. So that leaves a certain person. Also from what I've read on other forums, this also seems to be the case.

LS mentioned previously that the bank had agreed to have a trim on what they're owed. The other creditors co-opted LS onto the board, LS has also said those people want the best for Wednesday and want to sell up to get Wednesday moving forward again. So that leaves a certain person. Also from what I've read on other forums, this also seems to be the case.

forums are more reliable than your own club then.:huh:.:suspect:.

forums are more reliable than your own club then.:huh:.:suspect:.

I've just said LS (Lee Strafford - Wednesday chairman) has said the bank are willing to accept a lower figure and that the other major shareholders are wanting out and to help Wednesday move forward. Not saying its 100% accurate, but it points to that suggestion.

I've just said LS (Lee Strafford - Wednesday chairman) has said the bank are willing to accept a lower figure and that the other major shareholders are wanting out and to help Wednesday move forward. Not saying its 100% accurate, but it points to that suggestion.

totally agree mate :thumbsup:

I've just said LS (Lee Strafford - Wednesday chairman) has said the bank are willing to accept a lower figure and that the other major shareholders are wanting out and to help Wednesday move forward. Not saying its 100% accurate, but it points to that suggestion.

your quotes are so far out, the statement said , the bank had agreed the idea in principle if the other creditors did a similar deal. that to me says the bank knew the others would probably not go for it. otherwise why don't the bank set an example and start the ball rolling?

totally agree mate :thumbsup:

Well produce the statement then.:rolleyes:.
Trust you to TOTALLY agree with a statement even the poster says is not 100% accurate.:hihi:.

your quotes are so far out, the statement said , the bank had agreed the idea in principle if the other creditors did a similar deal. that to me says the bank knew the others would probably not go for it. otherwise why don'y the bank set an example and start the ball rolling?

The bank would not say they will, if they know the others wouldn't. The bank HAVE agreed to, but if Allen wants full whack, then all the creditors get full whack. Thats the problem at the moment.

LS has mentioned previously that the other major shareholders are supporting him and want to sell up. He also mentioned the bank agreement as well previously. I'm not taking this all from yesterdays statement

Its simple really DA has control over the whole sittuation everyone has agreed to take a cut price deal including the bank but Da wont have it so there for the deal is on hold. Interest payments make you money dont they me thinks but it works both ways DA wants to go to chesterfield but he cant until he is out of the club so really its in his court AGAIN:hihi:

The bank would not say they will, if they know the others wouldn't. The bank HAVE agreed to, but if Allen wants full whack, then all the creditors get full whack. Thats the problem at the moment.

LS has mentioned previously that the other major shareholders are supporting him and want to sell up. He also mentioned the bank agreement as well previously. I'm not taking this all from yesterdays statement

Your right about them ALL agreeing to sell their shares Alty, the statement yesterday was on about loans not shares .AND no mention of Allen , in fact wednesday today have refused to comment on Allen. So any veiw of yours or mine is only assumption , would you agree.

Your right about them ALL agreeing to sell their shares Alty, the statement yesterday was on about loans not shares .AND no mention of Allen , in fact wednesday today have refused to comment on Allen. So any veiw of yours or mine is only assumption , would you agree.

Oh come on Alex use your brain will you why do you think they have refused to comment about DA? its not exactly rocket science :hihi:.

Alty,

The owls are not in a state of administration, so they can easily set up a deal where Allen gets his full money and others take a cut on what they're owed.

Oh come on Alex use your brain will you why do you think they have refused to comment about DA? its not exactly rocket science :hihi:.

use your brain.:rolleyes:. what you or I think means nothing until it is fact.
It is a fact that at the moment the official statement is LOANEES not LOANEE.

Alty,

The owls are not in a state of administration, so they can easily set up a deal where Allen gets his full money and others take a cut on what they're owed.

The bank have stated they won't do that.
Why, I have no Idea.

Your right about them ALL agreeing to sell their shares Alty, the statement yesterday was on about loans not shares .AND no mention of Allen , in fact wednesday today have refused to comment on Allen. So any veiw of yours or mine is only assumption , would you agree.

That is true. But the club aren't in a postion to say Allen's holding up the deal, he is in his right to want all his money back (thought I don't think he is). I think its best the club don't comment, because it's not going to help the situation at all.

use your brain.:rolleyes:. what you or I think means nothing until it is fact.
It is a fact that at the moment the official statement is LOANEES not LOANEE.

Well there not going to slate him when they are trying to do a deal with him are they plus it would be another court case for slander even if it was true. If someone can get sued for a in pub bar remark the club has to be ever so careful in what they say in the statements. Personally I think he is jealous and pist of that these guys have come in and changed so much for the club in such a space of time. Purely because LS is a fantastic buisnessman and makes DA look like a League 2 buisnessman. The staff at SWFC wasnt happ they are now because they are being listened to plus LS is in middle of restructuring the club in a way to make money where as certain people missed out on.

That is true. But the club aren't in a postion to say Allen's holding up the deal, he is in his right to want all his money back (thought I don't think he is). I think its best the club don't comment, because it's not going to help the situation at all.

Yes and it doesn't do them any harm to keep stum and let everyone jump to conclusions and blame Allen. they came in with big shouts and have not delivered. just like plenty of others before them.

Well there not going to slate him when they are trying to do a deal with him are they plus it would be another court case for slander even if it was true. If someone can get sued for a in pub bar remark the club has to be ever so careful in what they say in the statements. Personally I think he is jealous and pist of that these guys have come in and changed so much for the club in such a space of time. Purely because LS is a fantastic buisnessman and makes DA look like a League 2 buisnessman. The staff at SWFC wasnt happ they are now because they are being listened to plus LS is in middle of restructuring the club in a way to make money where as certain people missed out on.

Hahahahahaha!!! Old Lee Stafford is the saviour - Fantastic business man my arse, which business would this be that he has done fantastically well at? You and me could have done exactly what he's done at Wednesday. Its easy dealing with someone else's money;

Cheap tickets
Wining and dining a 100yr old (the old girl, not Howard Wilkinson)
Bringing in new investment (where!!!)
Getting gloves stocked in the club shop for winter
Saying hello to a few fans queuing up for tickets at Hillsborough
Not sueing fans

All ground breaking stuff but he's not put a penny of his own money into the club and he's not really bought much to the club, a few cheap tickets and plesantries with the fans isn't going to suddenly start paying the bills.

As for this so called 'deal' with the bank, i'd be very surprised if anyone would accept 50p to the pound on the loans and debt they're owd. I'm begining to think its more wishful thinking down at dreamland Hillsborough!!!

Hahahahahaha!!! Old Lee Stafford is the saviour - Fantastic business man my arse, which business would this be that he has done fantastically well at? You and me could have done exactly what he's done at Wednesday. Its easy dealing with someone else's money;

Cheap tickets= old lot didnt do it because they didn think of it
Wining and dining a 100yr old = didnt happen cos didnt give a hoot about fans(the old girl, not Howard Wilkinson)
Bringing in new investment = he has used other stratagys to bring more money in and restructed the club with out any money being put in so why couldnt old lot?than old lot did which means we have a bigger transfer kitty next season.(where!!!)
Getting gloves stocked in the club shop for winter= making staff feeled wanted and listened to and valued which other lot didnt give a damn about.
Saying hello to a few fans queuing up for tickets at Hillsborough
Not sueing fans

All ground breaking stuff but he's not put a penny of his own money into the club and he's not really bought much to the club, a few cheap tickets and plesantries with the fans isn't going to suddenly start paying the bills.

As for this so called 'deal' with the bank, i'd be very surprised if anyone would accept 50p to the pound on the loans and debt they're owd. I'm begining to think its more wishful thinking down at dreamland Hillsborough!!!

I dont think you would have a clue like me on where to start in the messed up falling apart of swfc from all aspects of the club. All I say is did you go to the wednesdayite metting? if not you wont understand what he has done as you wasnt there to hear it plus the things being planned for next season. Oh yeah and you missed out now having facilities for the Blind where they can listen to comentry at matches where as before they couldnt.

all i know is this is going to be a very messy affair to sort out .
Allen is now even more uppopular than he ever was -if thats possible .
but im just a humble wednesdayite "cretin/scum " according to that idiot .

all i know is this is going to be a very messy affair to sort out .
Allen is now even more uppopular than he ever was -if thats possible .
but im just a humble wednesdayite "cretin/scum " according to that idiot .

Atleast you not a vindictive bitch or what ever he called that women:hihi:

Atleast you not a vindictive bitch or what ever he called that women:hihi:

Sticks and stones.

I've never known a set of drama queens like the Wednesday lot, more than likely the kids at school giving it;

"Miss, Miss, Bertie Blade just called me a dozy, inbred, wednesday farmer boy"

"Alright Ozzy Owl, you're 15yrs old now stop complaining and put your bib on, we don't want you getting spagetti hoops on your new Wednesday shirt!!!"

Sticks and stones.

I've never known a set of drama queens like the Wednesday lot, more than likely the kids at school giving it;

"Miss, Miss, Bertie Blade just called me a dozy, inbred, wednesday farmer boy"

"Alright Ozzy Owl, you're 15yrs old now stop complaining and put your bib on, we don't want you getting spagetti hoops on your new Wednesday shirt!!!"

You bloody hipercrite :hihi: atleast we wouldnt moan about being in the play offs and think we have god given right to be in premiership even though you didnt score enough goals to stay up lol. Which fans ring up radio sheffield the most complaining hey blunts after blunts after blunts moan moan moan moan. We should be top of the table yeah whatever :hihi:.

As for this so called 'deal' with the bank, i'd be very surprised if anyone would accept 50p to the pound on the loans and debt they're owd. I'm begining to think its more wishful thinking down at dreamland Hillsborough!!!
If the alternative to getting investment , is the club going into administration, they (i.e. those last in line after other creditors have been paid) might get a lot less than 50p in the pound.

Some people recognise that, especially after what our old acquiantance Ken did at Leeds, and want to do everything possible to avoid administration and assist in attracting new investors, as they see that as the best way of getting their money (and ultimately more) back in the long run once the club is being run on a sounder footing.

You bloody hipercrite :hihi: atleast we wouldnt moan about being in the play offs and think we have god given right to be in premiership even though you didnt score enough goals to stay up lol. Which fans ring up radio sheffield the most complaining hey blunts after blunts after blunts moan moan moan moan. We should be top of the table yeah whatever :hihi:.

AAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!! The irony of a post about dilussions of grandeur from a Wednesday fan (the Real Madrid of the North).

In Wednesday fans eyes you lot were MASSIVE not that long ago, challenging Man U for titles and heading for Europe in 5yrs, round up, round up, get your PL Return Tickets here!!!!! :loopy:

Anyone who listens to the muppets who phone radio call in's wants their head testing.

AAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!! The irony of a post about dilussions of grandeur from a Wednesday fan (the Real Madrid of the North).

In Wednesday fans eyes you lot were MASSIVE not that long ago, challenging Man U for titles and heading for Europe in 5yrs, round up, round up, get your PL Return Tickets here!!!!! :loopy:

Anyone who listens to the muppets who phone radio call in's wants their head testing.

And you're very bitter about that fact we have actually challenged up the top.

And you're very bitter about that fact we have actually challenged up the top.

Not in my lifetime ;) :D

Not in my lifetime ;) :D

I only just remember Wednesday doing well in early 90's. Seen some great players and truly crap players since then :hihi:

Atleast you not a vindictive bitch or what ever he called that women:hihi:

the cretin called her a venomous bitch mate

the cretin called her a venomous bitch mate

Was it that 100 odd year old woman? I did wonder why she got a freebie :)

As for Strafford, with each new PR stunt, hes reminding me more of Mickey Bricks from Hustle... just dangling enough of a carrot to keep you all interested, without having to put any of his own money on the line... no risks for him!

If/when the mythical investors do appear, I wonder if they're going to want to keep him as chairman - can't say i'd be too impressed if I invested millions, only to see some wannabe saying he's not really bothered about maximising the money they could bring in, and more interested in PR gimmicks...

no it wer`nt her mate -it was a lady supporter in her 50`s i believe:thumbsup:

Was it that 100 odd year old woman? I did wonder why she got a freebie :)

As for Strafford, with each new PR stunt, hes reminding me more of Mickey Bricks from Hustle... just dangling enough of a carrot to keep you all interested, without having to put any of his own money on the line... no risks for him!

If/when the mythical investors do appear, I wonder if they're going to want to keep him as chairman - can't say i'd be too impressed if I invested millions, only to see some wannabe saying he's not really bothered about maximising the money they could bring in, and more interested in PR gimmicks...

Sort of reminds abit of the Arab who headed the Man City take over at the start.

Its very easy to spend someone elses money especially when you havnt risked any yourself and make yourself look good.

Strafford is full of crap from an outsider looking in and seems to be just chucking out a few PR stunts to keep the fans turning up.

Not sure how long you can repeat the words "possible", "investors" and "takeover" but that's all I have heard from Blue side of the city since we were relegated from the Prem and Wednesday still haven't been taken over.

Anyway as usual the only real people screwed by false promises are the fans who pay hard earned cash to watch their team week in week out hoping change is just around the corner.

Absolute crap what they have tried to feed us , we need cold hard cash and neither have got it strafford or wednesdayite.
If Strafford wanted to hit his deadline for a takeover the egm would have been announced before midnight tonight from what ive read!

Sort of reminds abit of the Arab who headed the Man City take over at the start.

Its very easy to spend someone elses money especially when you havnt risked any yourself and make yourself look good.

Strafford is full of crap from an outsider looking in and seems to be just chucking out a few PR stunts to keep the fans turning up.

Not sure how long you can repeat the words "possible", "investors" and "takeover" but that's all I have heard from Blue side of the city since we were relegated from the Prem and Wednesday still haven't been taken over.

Anyway as usual the only real people screwed by false promises are the fans who pay hard earned cash to watch their team week in week out hoping change is just around the corner.

at last, the true feelings of the true fans, the ones that pay to see their team.

It both amazes and amuses me that certain blunts are showing so much interest in something that doesn't have anything to do with them. They appear to know everything about the current goings on when infact they know nothing at all.

The usual suspects appear to make more posts on anything relating to Wednesday than they do on Utd related matters. They now hold Lee Strafford as a figure of derisiun, and are getting bolder in their claims that current events at S6 are just a smoke screen to pacify the supporters. Might I suggest that true Utd fans should, at this stage of the season, be more concerned about their team's ability to secure, at least, a play offs position than of the goings on at Hillsborough?

If and when a conclusion is reached all Wednesday supporters are well aware that the more jaundiced blunts will look at the final outcome, whatever it may be, as a poor deal. It's their way of cementing their ill conceived belief that they are now the kings of the hill.

It both amazes and amuses me that certain blunts are showing so much interest in something that doesn't have anything to do with them. They appear to know everything about the current goings on when infact they know nothing at all.

The usual suspects appear to make more posts on anything relating to Wednesday than they do on Utd related matters. They now hold Lee Strafford as a figure of derisiun, and are getting bolder in their claims that current events at S6 are just a smoke screen to pacify the supporters. Might I suggest that true Utd fans should, at this stage of the season, be more concerned about their team's ability to secure, at least, a play offs position than of the goings on at Hillsborough?

If and when a conclusion is reached all Wednesday supporters are well aware that the more jaundiced blunts will look at the final outcome, whatever it may be, as a poor deal. It's their way of cementing their ill conceived belief that they are now the kings of the hill.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz personally i think it's soooooo funny that you cant get taken over, 99.9% of the time it's so easy, deal happens and is done before you can sneeze. however wednesday try and make a fool of it

It both amazes and amuses me that certain blunts are showing so much interest in something that doesn't have anything to do with them. They appear to know everything about the current goings on when infact they know nothing at all.

The usual suspects appear to make more posts on anything relating to Wednesday than they do on Utd related matters. They now hold Lee Strafford as a figure of derisiun, and are getting bolder in their claims that current events at S6 are just a smoke screen to pacify the supporters. Might I suggest that true Utd fans should, at this stage of the season, be more concerned about their team's ability to secure, at least, a play offs position than of the goings on at Hillsborough?

If and when a conclusion is reached all Wednesday supporters are well aware that the more jaundiced blunts will look at the final outcome, whatever it may be, as a poor deal. It's their way of cementing their ill conceived belief that they are now the kings of the hill.

Get those toys back in your pram Crookesey, they've well and truly been thrown out.

Don't have a go at the Blades for having a laugh at your joke of a club, we've all been more than entertained by this so called take over and we're a year down the line since you lot were stroking each other off over the £50m a season transfer kitty that was about to come your way.

I'm laughing so much i might even get Mr Benn a pint in :thumbsup:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz personally i think it's soooooo funny that you cant get taken over, 99.9% of the time it's so easy, deal happens and is done before you can sneeze. however wednesday try and make a fool of it

A translation into English might benefit this post.

Get those toys back in your pram Crookesey, they've well and truly been thrown out.

Don't have a go at the Blades for having a laugh at your joke of a club, we've all been more than entertained by this so called take over and we're a year down the line since you lot were stroking each other off over the £50m a season transfer kitty that was about to come your way.

I'm laughing so much i might even get Mr Benn a pint in :thumbsup:

Coming from the all time, world champion toy thrower, that's really rich. If this is all it takes to entertain you, perhaps you should get out more.

I don't know of anyone named Stafford who is involved with the club daftlad.

I don't know of anyone named Stafford who is involved with the club daftlad.

Even you know his point is valid so all you can pick on is his spelling?

I expected more.

I'm laughing so much i might even get Mr Benn a pint in :thumbsup:

ive got that in writing now mate -im on carling :thumbsup:

It both amazes and amuses me that certain blunts are showing so much interest in something that doesn't have anything to do with them. They appear to know everything about the current goings on when infact they know nothing at all.

The usual suspects appear to make more posts on anything relating to Wednesday than they do on Utd related matters. They now hold Lee Strafford as a figure of derisiun, and are getting bolder in their claims that current events at S6 are just a smoke screen to pacify the supporters. Might I suggest that true Utd fans should, at this stage of the season, be more concerned about their team's ability to secure, at least, a play offs position than of the goings on at Hillsborough?

If and when a conclusion is reached all Wednesday supporters are well aware that the more jaundiced blunts will look at the final outcome, whatever it may be, as a poor deal. It's their way of cementing their ill conceived belief that they are now the kings of the hill.


Of course it has something to do with us- your our city rivals- have you NEVER commented on the tevez saga? cos thats got nothing to do with you?

Whatever hpapens at wednesday OR united will be commented on by the other fans- simple as that.

and i can assure you that the united fans of this board are definately more concerned about securing a play off position- its just when something like this happens- basically an embarrasing statement from your club- we are going to pounce on it like a pack of hungry lions- u know why- because its funny and it makes wedneday look daft!!

kings of the hill- im afraid when it comes to off the field activites you know your not even on the same mountain range pal ;)

ive got that in writing now mate -im on carling :thumbsup:

I already printed the screen ;)

I already printed the screen ;)

we'll get bladebloke to come aswell.

we'll get bladebloke to come aswell.

no thanks -im choosy who i drink with:thumbsup:

no thanks -im choosy who i drink with:thumbsup:

It's not that long ago you posted you would love to meet up with him.
Never mind I'm sure he has plenty of drinking pals .

On topic please guys.....

I've been away for a few days so haven't posted in this thread yet before it descended into the same old people with the same old squabbling, but just a few points.


Administration isn't the simple magical eradicating of debt and then starting afresh that some people seem to think it is. The administrator comes in and looks at what assets can be sold, and sells them at a knockdown price. So you can say goodbye to the likes of Grant, Beevers, Spurr, Wood, Simek, and possibly even the stadium as well. Some people (blades) may go on about us trying to "cheat the system" by asking creditors to reduce their demands, but at least we've spent a decade trading under the severe financial restraints rather than taking the "easy option" of administration long ago.


The majority of people who say that Dave Allen did a good job for Wednesday are blades. This sums him up. During his time as chairman, the club's debt increased from some £13m to £28m, despite his cost cutting. Our league position was similar when he came and when he left, the main difference was that when he came we had excellent gates. By the time he left, he and his cronies had managed to get thousands of them to stop coming, mostly thanks to his disastrous PR skills, including the legal action against fans who dared criticise him, banning of lifelong fans from the ground, the ridiculous away ID scheme which lasted for a whole 2 games, drastic and ridiculous price increases for the loyal fans, constant belittling of the club's fans and customers, petty squabbling and blaming of everybody else for everything that went wrong, and personally obstructing possible investment opportunities and blaming others for this as well. There are plenty of other examples. Overall, the man's tenure has been a disaster, yet he still expects to walk away with every single penny he put in and more.

Allen is playing silly buggers with this loan, but that's the kind of petty vindictive man he is. He'll have walked away with far more than this loan is worth when you take into account the interest he's made on his loans, and the cash made from his shareholding - yet he's willing to obstruct any investment just because he can. He's every right to demand full repayment, of course he has, but as a successful businessman he surely doesn't expect every business venture to be a success. Win some lose some. The other loan note holders have all showed willingness to write off some of the debt in an effort to move the club forward, but Allen has to have his petty act of revenge and stand in the way. It's curious that he was saying the other day that he wouldn't sell his shares to anonymous investors, yet seemed perfectly willing to do a deal with Geoff "cloud cuckoo land" Sheard.

How many other football chairmen who put money into their clubs even expect to get any of it back, let alone the full amount plus interest? He's also proved to be an obstacle to investment. He refused to let Ken Bates in, which pleased a lot of people, but I thought at the time and I still think now that we'd have been a lot better off with Bates at the helm. He's not a very nice man, his ethics are highly questionable, but he knows his football. Bates was prepared to invest £10m, which at the time would have just about halved the debt to a manageable level. After Allen refused to even speak to him, just slagging him off in the press, Bates took his £10m to Leeds, invested in the team, and took them from the bottom of the Championship to within one game of the Premiership. Fair enough, they then got relegated the year after (remind me which manager took them from the play-off final to relegation fodder?), but they're in an amazingly better situation now thanks to Bates' "dodginess" than they were, having wiped out a £100m-ish debt.

Then there were the Paul Gregg and Carson Yeung "takeovers", culminating in "that press conference". Allen basically sat there and blamed Wednesdayite for the deals collapsing, citing their 10% shareholding as the reason. Yet he even said at the pres conference that he'd told Gregg "don't deal with that lot, they're just troublemakers", or words to that effect. So Wednesdayite got the full blame for the collapse despite never even being approached about their shares! Geoff Sheard may have been a fiasco, but he went about things the right way in speaking to Wednesdayite, getting them to agree to sell their shares, and they weren't a problem at all, just as they wouldn't have been with anybody else, yet Allen's chip on his shoulder about them from was enough to break at least two investment deals (with hindsight, Yeung was a disaster at Birmingham, but the point was that Allen prevented the initial deal from happening).

Allen isn't the reason the club is in debt (Danny Wilson's blowing of millions on bad players and sky high wages got us into the mess), but his chairmanship left us in a far worse state than we were before. Strafford is picking up the pieces, I can't believe that some people are giving him stick when he's already done more good for the club than Allen & Co did in 6 years.

Sorry for the length of the post, but I wanted to make these points.

In a nutshell Al. :thumbsup: