:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

Firstly, pot, kettle, black springs to mind, on reading your post. Secondly, some people can spell, punctuate and use grammar well, some cannot. There are many possible reasons for this, including dyslexia, poor education and laziness.

My advice to you is to read the message without judging the standard of the English. That way, you won't run the risk of underestimating someone.

Bad choice of subject, dude, could be anyone from any country posting on here, not always people with EFL.

Added to which you're not exactly in the top flight yourself when it comes to punctuation, so best not cast the first stone.

No capital F in 'foreigners', and no apostrophe either, if that helps? And personally, I'd go for 'simplest' rather than 'most simple' ;)

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

I'm sorry but we all make typos but to do this and not check your own post?

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

You post looks more like a dig at suspected racists than people with bad grammar, which one is it ?

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

Not everyone is good at composing sentences or spelling. Hopefully, by posting on forums like this - some will improve those skills.


Just a thought, if you are going to start a thread criticising spelling and grammar, make sure you don't make a gaffe like suggesting people 'punctuate their spelling' or include an errant apostrophe... ;)

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

I wasn't aware that it's an English lesson?:loopy:

Just because not everyone has had the same standard of educacation as you, does this mean they shouldn't post unless they can spell and punctuate well?? Have you ever thought some people might be dyslexic?

I did rubbish at school, my spelling and grammer is rubbish, but it's got a hell of a lot better since coming on here and putting it to practice. So don't knock people for trying. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Firstly, pot, kettle, black springs to mind, on reading your post. Secondly, some people can spell, punctuate and use grammar well, some cannot. There are many possible reasons for this, including dyslexia, poor education and laziness.

My advice to you is to read the message without judging the standard of the English. That way, you won't run the risk of underestimating someone.

Yeah mon, beleeve this, im atcually a geeneus up dere wit Eenstoon and Steevun Hiking.

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

Because it is an open forum, for people from all walks of live and all age ranges. With Sheffield being the thing in common. Why not be a bit more forgiving and look at the people behind the spelling mistakes. Hopefully the will be as forgiving about your lack of consideration.

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

bobar thread. oops sorry. Bobar thread.

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

Why have you capitalised "Foreigner's"? Why have you used an possessive apostrophe for a plural?

"What is wrong with people?" is a complete question and should end with a question mark. Your next sentence ("why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum") is also a complete question and should start with a capital letter.

Why have you put the entire phrase "so called English people" in quotation marks. Surely you should have only quoted the words "so called".

HTH HAND

Its due to several factors; reading low standard english as in the Daily Star and Sun etc. (even The Times is riddled with bad syntax), not reading good quality literature, etc. Also some correspondents don't seem to "proof read" their article prior to sending it.

English grammar has been going ' down the pan ' steadily for the last 40 years or more. So, unfortunately, has the ability to present a clear argument, a viewpoint, an account......etc.....

At the moment, I guess, most people, more or less, understand most other people. The danger, however, is that there IS a ' tip-over point, ' past which, no-one can follow what someone else is trying to say ; it 's one of the happy
by-products of Child Centred Education !

1: my grammars ok, mind u she's getting on a bit these days.
2: its a forum not an english exam
3: why cant people post threads in the correct section?
4: never ever critise peoples spelling...you ALWAYS make some mistakes in the post and look like an idiot.

So many caught with so little bait.

Well done sir! (or madam?)

So many caught with so little bait.

Well done sir! (or madam?)

Grammar nazis can't help but respond when they see a post like this.

English grammar has been going ' down the pan ' steadily for the last 40 years or more. So, unfortunately, has the ability to present a clear argument, a viewpoint, an account......etc.....

At the moment, I guess, most people, more or less, understand most other people. The danger, however, is that there IS a ' tip-over point, ' past which, no-one can follow what someone else is trying to say ; it 's one of the happy
by-products of Child Centred Education !

That is an interesting viewpoint, but you forget that the way we communicate has changed dramatically in the last forty years. I hardly ever handwrite anything now. Sometimes I type, often I copy paste, I talk, video-conference and phone. Charles Dickens didn't have such a wide range of options. I chose Dickens because he was a great communicator, who used every means at his disposal to get his message across.

Try this, when you have a minute. Record a conversation with a friend and then transcribe it. You will quickly see that we don't speak in sentences, so we don't necessarily have to write in them to make sense. I still think that proper written English is important, but having a point of view and being able to articulate it is much more important that knowing how to use a semi-colon.

it 's one of the happy
by-products of Child Centred Education !

I doubt it. I would say its more a by product of exam centred education. Children are not taught to learn and read. They are taught to memorise sections to pass exams. No thought involved just repetition. If children don't understand it instantly its too late and they are already on to memorizing the next subject. By a child gets to senior school with a low level of reading and writing, they will be put on the shelf as beyond help. More time should be spent teaching children the basics until they understand instead of jumping to the next thing and getting through the next exams.

Firstly

"First" is already an adverb, adding "ly" on the end is wrong. :P

So many caught with so little bait.

Well done sir! (or madam?)

Everybody falls for the bartfast traps. Thats why he keeps coming back.

I think we are too lazy

Wots orl thiss fus abowt speling any whey. Knot men ee off uz kan spel verie whell sew it does knot mater a grate deel sew longas whee cun reed itt! And as four a Postrofie's, I wood knot maynd beting that moast uz cant yews them proper any road up!

Are we sure this is not a spoof post?

I cannot believe someone would start a thread about grammar, spelling and use of English then make so many mistakes!

Maybe someone is having a giggle.

My spelling and grammar are not what it should be.

But who cares? This forum is for humour, opinion and heated debate. It is not an English class.

"First" is already an adverb, adding "ly" on the end is wrong. :P

When I can find my parchment and quill, I will copy that out ten times. That should learn me:P

bobar thread. oops sorry. Bobar thread.

LMAO! Are you like, 5 or something? No one says Bobar any more! :lol: :loopy:

Everybody falls for the bartfast traps. Thats why he keeps coming back.
its not him
Join Date: Nov 2006

prolly pre before he ever appeared in his original guise

No one says Bobar any more! :lol: :loopy:
not since the day "slopdosh bobbar and ivan crump" split up :(

LMAO! Are you like, 5 or something? No one says Bobar any more! :lol: :loopy:

You will find there is a strong bobbar following on SF.

So many caught with so little bait.

Well done sir! (or madam?)

Thanks cgksheff, exactly my point, great minds......!

Thanks cgksheff, exactly my point, great minds......!

Enlighten us with this point :rolleyes:

You will find there is a strong bobbar following on SF.

Yeah, a lot of people on here talk out of their butts! :D

Yeah, a lot of people on here talk out of their butts! :D
isnt butts an american saying? :confused::huh:
unless you mean water butts

isnt butts an american saying? :confused::huh:
unless you mean water butts

Well yeah,but... Oh sod it, I do the pedantry around here! :D

Well yeah,but... Oh sod it, I do the pedantry around here! :D
*hands rich his coat*

i passed my gcse eng lit and eng lang with A*. I passed my A level eng lang with A*.
I passed my uni degree with 1st class honours, and they were all written as an academic institution would expect.
however at the moment i am not writing an essay as if my life depended on it and i do not have a whole semester to proof read and rewrite this post, i am just writing a note off the top of my head to express my opinion as it stands at the moment.

that is why i make spelling mistakes, get the grammer wrong, and this is not an academic institution, i will not be punished for it and i finished school a long time ago.

at work i do write properly tho, because i have to, right now i am not at work, i am relaxing - and i am not so pedantic as to care if my syntax/grammer is off on a public forum posting, as long as people understand what i have said it doesnt matter

I noticed the grammar teacher has yet to reply.....................?????

To be fair, if dyslexia is the reason for the poor spelling and grammar that's often displayed then it's vastly under diagnosed.
I suspect the person who mentioned poor education or laziness is closer to the mark for the majority.

Enlighten us with this point :rolleyes:
His point was that the OP was trolling and we've all bitten.

i passed my gcse eng lit and eng lang with A*. I passed my A level eng lang with A*.
I passed my uni degree with 1st class honours, and they were all written as an academic institution would expect.
however at the moment i am not writing an essay as if my life depended on it and i do not have a whole semester to proof read and rewrite this post, i am just writing a note off the top of my head to express my opinion as it stands at the moment.

that is why i make spelling mistakes, get the grammer wrong, and this is not an academic institution, i will not be punished for it and i finished school a long time ago.

at work i do write properly tho, because i have to, right now i am not at work, i am relaxing - and i am not so pedantic as to care if my syntax/grammer is off on a public forum posting, as long as people understand what i have said it doesnt matter

So you're saying, in effect, that, had you taken Maths at degree level, you'd be happy to say that 2 + 2 = 7 as long as you weren't doing an assignment?

Surely, if you're proficient in a subject, you, uh, are?

:huh:

So you're saying, in effect, that, had you taken Maths at degree level, you'd be happy to say that 2 + 2 = 7 as long as you weren't doing an assignment?

Surely, if you're proficient in a subject, you, uh, are?

:huh:

no im saying i am not writing an essay, im writing on an internet forum, like sending a text message - its informal. it doesnt need to be proficient, if i was writing a letter, say, then i would take more care, but im not, im just jotting thoughts.
i also think that most people are guilty of typos rather than bad spelling, and in my case laziness, i often see a mistake in my posts but dont correct it if the meaning is still legible, im just not that pedantic.

in fact im probably naive in that i dont judge people by their spelling but rather by their meaning, so i expect the same of others

At the moment, I guess, most people, more or less, understand most other people. The danger, however, is that there IS a ' tip-over point, ' past which, no-one can follow what someone else is trying to say ; it 's one of the happy
by-products of Child Centred Education !

The paomnehal pweor of the hmuan mnid. It deosn't mttaer in waht order the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef , but the wrod as a wlohe.

Interesting stuff IMO.

I'll happily admit im wrong but I don't reckon the standard of spelling and punctuation in this country has got worse. I think that these days people see more of other people's writing and are therefore in a better position to criticise. The reason is the internet as I can't think of many of my friends or family that I know how good/bad their spelling is. I know how good or bad some people's spelling is on this site more than I do my own Mum and Dad's who I have known all my life.

I agree with some other posts that laziness is a major contributing factor to poor spelling/bad punctuation. For me personally I think my spelling is quite good but my grammar is quite poor despite me going to a decent school, not wagging English and not being completely thick IMO. I would like to improve it but I don't because ultimately I don't need to (obviously it's better if I did but my life wouldn't change dramatically for the better is what I mean).

As for the thread behind a crap one well you might not have known about the first/letter last letter thing without it (those of you who don't work in a n office anyway:)).

no im saying i am not writing an essay, im writing on an internet forum, like sending a text message - its informal. it doesnt need to be proficient, if i was writing a letter, say, then i would take more care, but im not, im just jotting thoughts.
i also think that most people are guilty of typos rather than bad spelling, and in my case laziness, i often see a mistake in my posts but dont correct it if the meaning is still legible, im just not that pedantic.

in fact im probably naive in that i dont judge people by their spelling but rather by their meaning, so i expect the same of others

So you admit to laziness. I do not judge people by their spelling alone, but if poor spelling or punctuation is an indicator of another unattractive character trait, then I do incorporate that into my judgement.

It is worth reminding people that potential employers may well track down their posts in the SF archive. Would you want to lose out on a potential job because a prospective employer deduces from your posts that you cannot use English correctly?

The paomnehal pweor of the hmuan mnid. It deosn't mttaer in waht order the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef , but the wrod as a wlohe.


peoeahnmnl? Ieianvstge lsiticguns and you will aeaiscrtn that the hoteypishs is mtsiksan.

It olny wroks wtih sorht wrods. Why? Buescae wiht a fuor ltteer wrod, you olny get to tasoprnse two leettrs, and all 3 caecrrthar wrods are uhgenacnd.

now taht is srowgitafhratd inst it?

i.e its total cojones

no im saying i am not writing an essay, im writing on an internet forum, like sending a text message - its informal. it doesnt need to be proficient, if i was writing a letter, say, then i would take more care, but im not, im just jotting thoughts.
i also think that most people are guilty of typos rather than bad spelling, and in my case laziness, i often see a mistake in my posts but dont correct it if the meaning is still legible, im just not that pedantic.

in fact im probably naive in that i dont judge people by their spelling but rather by their meaning, so i expect the same of others

You must be making a special effort though. I automatically capitalise the starts of sentences with no thought, you don't seem to. You can't be bothered with apostrophes, they're not optional for contractions like I'm.
I don't have an A level in English, but I learnt to type the way I learnt to write, correctly. To post like you are doing I'd have to make more of an effort than to post as I normally do.

Well done to you all for your wonderful contributions to this thread. Has it run its course yet do you think?

So you admit to laziness. I do not judge people by their spelling alone, but if poor spelling or punctuation is an indicator of another unattractive character trait, then I do incorporate that into my judgement.

It is worth reminding people that potential employers may well track down their posts in the SF archive. Would you want to lose out on a potential job because a prospective employer deduces from your posts that you cannot use English correctly?

somehow i dont think that any potential employers will specifically ask if you are a member of sheffield forum and what your username is so they can track your spelling and grammer, as a person who conducts interviews on a regular basis it has never entered my mind to do so

I think a lot of forum posters would be in trouble if their employers/prospective employers judged them on the content of their posts on here!

It is worth reminding people that potential employers may well track down their posts in the SF archive. Would you want to lose out on a potential job because a prospective employer deduces from your posts that you cannot use English correctly?

How would they track you down though? If an prospective employer asked me if I used Sheffield Forum, i'd say no. I can't imagine there is much they can do.

peoeahnmnl? Ieianvstge lsiticguns and you will aeaiscrtn that the hoteypishs is mtsiksan.

It olny wroks wtih sorht wrods. Why? Buescae wiht a fuor ltteer wrod, you olny get to tasoprnse two leettrs, and all 3 caecrrthar wrods are uhgenacnd.

now taht is srowgitafhratd inst it?

i.e its total cojones

Another part of the email was about statues of great generals and that if their horse is standing on it's back legs they died in battle etc. etc. I knew that was rubbish so I guess I should have thought this would be too. No need for the smarmyness though.

I think a lot of forum posters would be in trouble if their employers/prospective employers judged them on the content of their posts on here!
hmmm
lets think

swearing, sex, drugs, violence, racism, homophobia, xenophobia

yup think they (we) might

: oops :

hmmm
lets think

swearing, sex, drugs, violence, racism, homophobia, xenophobia

yup think they (we) might

: oops :

You forgot the religious intolerance/bigotry :hihi:

I think a lot of forum posters would be in trouble if their employers/prospective employers judged them on the content of their posts on here!

If the forummers who have no excuse for poor punctuation and grammar (I.E. Dyslexia etc) fil in their application forms as poorly as they type posts on here, then I can very well see a prospective employer dismissing their application out of hand.

I know I have a habit of forgetting to capitalise the first letter in a sentence, but generally, even in texts, I tend to spell correctly and phrase things grammatically. If I were filling in application forms for a job then I would endeavour to do it correctly.

Those with conditions like dyslexia do have the advantage of spellcheckers on computers these days, which should be of some help.

hmmm
lets think

swearing, sex, drugs, violence, racism, homophobia, xenophobia

yup think they (we) might

: oops :

Xenophobia? How do you know people are scared of dog doings?

*ahem*

*gets coat*

I see a lot of application forms, and I can tell you spelling, punctuation, syntax, vocabulary, are all taken into account in the process of shortlisting candidates for interview. So if you are sending off lots of application forms but never getting an interview, this may be the reason.

I blame Stanley Unwin and Arthur Bostrom.

I see a lot of application forms, and I can tell you spelling, punctuation, syntax, vocabulary, are all taken into account in the process of shortlisting candidates for interview. So if you are sending off lots of application forms but never getting an interview, this may be the reason.


haha this would explain why i did'nt get many job before i was diagnosed with dyslexia.

I see a lot of application forms, and I can tell you spelling, punctuation, syntax, vocabulary, are all taken into account in the process of shortlisting candidates for interview. So if you are sending off lots of application forms but never getting an interview, this may be the reason.

Minimo, you've almost failed your interview! May I suggest these subtle amendments;

"I see a lot of application forms and I can tell you that spelling, punctuation, vocabulary and syntax are all taken into account in the process of shortlisting candidates for interviews and this may be the reason".

This could be any one who post's on here and maybe not English, plus most people dont get a good education these days because the schools just dont care.

Because most people tend to use 'msn chat' speech on this. It's really annoying.

its nothing to do with spelling or grammer its keyboard skills I find it hard to dot the i and cross the t.s on a keyboard we are all not expert typist.s ?

its nothing to do with spelling or grammer its keyboard skills I find it hard to dot the i and cross the t.s on a keyboard we are all not expert typist.s ?

We all have access to a spell checker, though...

While we are on the subject, can anyone please tell me how to put an accent above a letter, you know, like Zoe but with ' above the e.
I DID know but I've forgotten.....ta in advance.:)

What I find most interesting is that in spite of all the times that the word 'grammar' appears on this forum, so many people still can't spell it :D

We all have access to a spell checker, though...

yes spell checker is ok but not always right it,s more frustrating than haveing to hold down shift and press 2 every two seconds just to type a little text or hit caps lock on and off on and off on and off every other word


{look no puctuation bad grammer and some bad spelling} but I bet all can read it ok ?:D

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

As your own post so clearly demonstrates, most people simply cannot be bothered to check for stupid mistakes before submitting their thoughts.

The spelling and grammar on this site is appalling, and I would say it is probably worse than any other general forum I have been on.

There was a post this morning which was so badly written that it was almost impossible to understand what the original poster actually meant. It has since been removed - probably because it was unintelligible.

tint nowt rong wit' grama on ere s'just dat folks er spelin evryting in t'yorkshire t'dialekt tha 'nows, insted o' t'queens english. 'tis so t'folks cun undastand wots bein sead. o'reet den mi owd fruit?

While we are on the subject, can anyone please tell me how to put an accent above a letter, you know, like Zoe but with ' above the e.
I DID know but I've forgotten.....ta in advance.:)

It's called an umlaut, by the way ... and the only way I know to produce them is via the Windows character maps, which is more effort than I consider it to be worth.

Group hug :roll:

It's called an umlaut, by the way ... and the only way I know to produce them is via the Windows character maps, which is more effort than I consider it to be worth.

<fx: dons überpedantic hat>

Actually, in the example given it's only an called an umlaut orthographically. Linguistically, it's called a diaeresis ;).

An umlaut changes the sound of a vowel/digraph completely; a diaeresis just means that the accented vowel in a diphthong/digraph needs to be pronounced separately.

They just happen to have the same diacritic mark.

<fx: takes überpedantic hat off>

The easiest way to type them (and how I did it here) is to hold 'Alt' and then enter the correct code for the character.

Alt + 132 = ä
Alt + 137 (or 0235) = ë
Alt + 139 (or 0239) = ï
Alt + 148 (or 0246) = ö
Alt + 129 (or 0252) = ü

Thanks for that HeadingNorth and happyhippy.....
I realise that's the proper one but I could get away with é couldn't I...
I remembered that it's control and alt and e....all at the same time.
So I can now go the Café with Zoé for a Latté can't I :hihi:
Thanks :thumbsup:

Thanks for that HeadingNorth and happyhippy.....
I realise that's the proper one but I could get away with é couldn't I...
I remembered that it's control and alt and e....all at the same time.
So I can now go the Café with Zoé for a Latté can't I :hihi:
Thanks :thumbsup:

Can I come with you ? :)

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

miyne is laziens, did i spell that right:huh:

<fx: dons überpedantic hat>


They just happen to have the same diacritic mark.

<fx: takes überpedantic hat off>

The easiest way to type them (and how I did it here) is to hold 'Alt' and then enter the correct code for the character.


Thanks, but how do I do grave and circumflex accents?

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

Some people have disabilities! Have you ever thought about that? or are you one of those ignorant people that hasn't? :huh:

Oh yeah..people can do whatever they want! Have you ever thought about that?

There is alot of people that have to pick up on things like this because they have got nothing better to do. It just shows how boring some peoples life is!!

I dont think the grammar and spelling are bad on this site.

No I don't think it is! To the almighty, PERFECT :roll:, precious ones it might be!!

Most people try to do the best they can (like me). Not everyone is perfect!!!

No I don't think it is! To the almighty, PERFECT :roll:, precious ones it might be!!

Most people try to do the best they can (like me). Not everyone is perfect!!!

I dont think we would want perfect posters would we Caitlin ? :)

No..I prefer not! I don't like PERFECT, it seems boring!! ;)

No..I prefer not! I don't like PERFECT, it seems boring!! ;)

I agree wholeheartedly dont I ? :D

I agree wholeheartedly dont I ? :D

Yes, I hope so!! ;) :hihi:

<fx: dons überpedantic hat>

Actually, in the example given it's only an called an umlaut orthographically. Linguistically, it's called a diaeresis ;).

An umlaut changes the sound of a vowel/digraph completely; a diaeresis just means that the accented vowel in a diphthong/digraph needs to be pronounced separately.

They just happen to have the same diacritic mark.

<fx: takes überpedantic hat off>

The easiest way to type them (and how I did it here) is to hold 'Alt' and then enter the correct code for the character.

Alt + 132 = ä
Alt + 137 (or 0235) = ë
Alt + 139 (or 0239) = ï
Alt + 148 (or 0246) = ö
Alt + 129 (or 0252) = ü

"diaeresis" and "diacritic". Wow! I learn something new every day on SF!

I've tried practising the code, but (as is the usual experience for the resident Forum Technophobe) I can't get it to work! :help:

However, instead of typing Sian I can now at least type S[+Alt + 148 {or 0246}]ian! :rolleyes: :hihi:

"diaeresis" and "diacritic". Wow! I learn something new every day on SF!

I've tried practising the code, but (as is the usual experience for the resident Forum Technophobe) I can't get it to work! :help:

However, instead of typing Sian I can now at least type S[+Alt + 148 {or 0246}]ian! :rolleyes: :hihi:
Hello, haven't seen you in ages :wave: .

Try this:

- Make sure you have the Num Lock on your keyboard on. It should be somewhere near the number pad on the keyboard - the separate little group of number keys off to the right, not the numbers above the main letter keys).

- Press and keep holding down the Alt key, and use the number pad keys to type the appropriate code. You don't use the '+' sign; that's just to show you that you're using the Alt key and the number keys together.

- So to give 'Zoe' its fancy 'e', you'd hold down the Alt key, and while doing so you'd use the number pad keys to type 137: Zoë.

- Note that the letter doesn't appear until you lift your finger off the Alt key.

Hello, haven't seen you in ages :wave: .

Try this:

- Make sure you have the Num Lock on your keyboard on. It should be somewhere near the number pad on the keyboard - the separate little group of number keys off to the right, not the numbers above the main letter keys).

- Press and keep holding down the Alt key, and use the number pad keys to type the appropriate code. You don't use the '+' sign; that's just to show you that you're using the Alt key and the number keys together.

- So to give 'Zoe' its fancy 'e', you'd hold down the Alt key, and while doing so you'd use the number pad keys to type 137: Zoë.

- Note that the letter doesn't appear until you lift your finger off the Alt key.


Zoe Zoe

Ze Ze Zoe

Ze oe Z oe

ZOE Z OE

Thanks for the tuition Hecate but ..... I give up! :rolleyes:

I don't think the spelling is that bad however its *txt msg spk* that annoys the hell out of me :hihi:

Zoe Zoe

Ze Ze Zoe

Ze oe Z oe

ZOE Z OE

Thanks for the tuition Hecate but ..... I give up! :rolleyes:

Zoë! Come on redrobbo, if I can do it you can do it!


P.S. Hecate, your new avatar scares me a bit.:help:

Zoe Zoe

Ze Ze Zoe

Ze oe Z oe

ZOE Z OE

Thanks for the tuition Hecate but ..... I give up! :rolleyes:
Don't give up.

You're not using the 'Alt Gr' key that's on the right side of the space bar, are you? It's the one on the left of the space bar you want.

...P.S. Hecate, your new avatar scares me a bit.:help:
Excellent!

<fx: dons überpedantic hat>

Actually, in the example given it's only an called an umlaut orthographically. Linguistically, it's called a diaeresis ;).


I plead having been taught German at school. In German, it's an umlaut.

Zoë! Come on redrobbo, if I can do it you can do it!


I am the forum technophobe remember! :roll:

Don't give up.

You're not using the 'Alt Gr' key that's on the right side of the space bar, are you? It's the one on the left of the space bar you want.

I didn't know that key existed! Nope, I'm using the Alt key to the left of the space bar.

OK, I'll try again.....

Num Lock switched on. Check.
Type Zo. Check
Hold down Alt key and type code 137 Check.

Zo

Repeat above steps

ZoZoë! Come on redrobbo, if I can do it you can do it!


I am the forum technophobe remember! :roll:

Don't give up.

You're not using the 'Alt Gr' key that's on the right side of the space bar, are you? It's the one on the left of the space bar you want.

I didn't know that key existed! Nope, I'm using the Alt key to the left of the space bar.

OK, I'll try again.....

Num Lock switched on. (Green light appears).
Type Zo.
Then hold down Alt key and type code 137.

Here goes.....

Zoe

Repeat steps...

Zo

Try again...

Zoe

Again....

Zoe zo (at this point an edit pop-up box appeared which wouldn't allow me to proceed any further!).

Again..... .......

Zo (pop-up box again. Grrrrr!)

Again....

Zo zo (Hmm... a different pop-up box which suggests I add to favourites!)

Last attempt .....

Zo Zo Zoe zo

Well thanks for your encouragement folks, but this one has defeated me!

red.

Edit: I also see that I've managed to repeat some of my post! :hihi:

Well thanks for your encouragement folks, but this one has defeated me!

red.

Edit: I also see that I've managed to repeat some of my post! :hihi:

Try the Alt+0235 code then Red. Remember to release the 'Alt' key after you've typed the last number .... should have mentioned to use the number keypad; I do it by default!

Try the Alt+0235 code then Red. Remember to release the 'Alt' key after you've typed the last number .... should have mentioned to use the number keypad; I do it by default!

Zoe zoe Zoe

Zoe Zoe zO0235 (hmmm... at least that's a variation! :roll:)

ZoE zOE

Aarrgghh!

The Forum Technophobe admits defeat now! :rolleyes:

zoé

It works

I am the forum technophobe remember!

I'm not though.

Yet the Alt combination doesn't work on this PC either.

No great loss:).

Probably depends on the OS you're using.

I can't understand why people are constantly digging at the way people spell. Everyone makes mistakes but they come on here for a casual conversation not an English lesson. You're going to end up losing members because they dont feel like they can talk on here without being judged.

I make alot of typing errors and i sometimes have to speak with my words shortened, this is because i tend to have my baby in one arm or i am trying to get in a quick natter with people while i am doing the housework! So no, i dont consider myself lazy, unfortunately i don't have has much time as some other people on here who can spend about seven hours checking and rechecking and then double checking the posts and everyone elses before deciding that it's all correct!

Let people be - they come on here to talk about what is happening in sheffield and their interests - dont judge them for their spelling because in reality you dont know a damned thing about them.

I post on a few forums, but I have to say that in terms of simple grammar, or even just spelling, this forum is by far the worst, and the biggest offender is the use of "There" or "They're" or "Their". So here's a quick explanation of the differences.

I can hear you all calling me names already and saying it doesn't matter, but listen, it really does, unless you plan on spending your life as an illiterate dosser of course. So take it on the chin and check out the difference:

Their = something that belongs to somebody, eg: Their motorbikes.
There = a place, eg: Over there, or it was great there.
They're = "They Are", eg: They're having a great time over there.

Have fun! :)

Thanks for that we can all sleep better tonight now.

I am new to Sheffield and continually hearing people say 'theer'. What does 'theer' mean as I have never come across it before.

Does anybody remember learning gramar at school.

Der, dee, thas dun dat son.

But how many ways is there of spelling theer?

I am new to Sheffield and continually hearing people say 'theer'. What does 'theer' mean as I have never come across it before.

It's usually used in response to the question, "wheer?" :hihi:

..............................

It's usually used in response to the question, "wheer?" :hihi:

It's by't weir.

But how many ways is there of spelling theer?

Technically it should be done with a 'dee' as in 'oer deer', but also theer, dear, deear, der and thaer. Hope that helps.
Due to the many uses of the word dear, and it sounding much like the word deer, people in Sheffield call each other 'luv', in order to avoid the obvious problem of calling a woman a deer (as in the animal) or dear (an expensive hooker) or even worse theer (as if she didn't exist).

Technically it should be done with a 'dee' as in 'oer deer', but also theer, dear, deear, der and thaer. Hope that helps.
Due to the many uses of the word dear, and it sounding much like the word deer, people in Sheffield call each other 'luv', in order to avoid the obvious problem of calling a woman a deer (as in the animal) or dear (an expensive hooker) or even worse theer (as if she didn't exist).

You've thought about this far too much, haven't you?:hihi:

Anyway people, as fun as it is deciphering the Sheffield language, I'm off to bed which is over there/their/they're/theer.

Night all x

Oll o'thee, get sum kip ;)

Night all x

Night luv.

1st bold. Why would anyone call you names?. It looks like you want people to.

Pity I have to explain why but here goes. They might call me names because it might look like I'm being pompous or aloof by suggesting people should spell properly. It looks like I want people to call me names? That's news to me, why would anybody want anybody to call them names? Strange.


2nd bold. You have called people names though. What's the difference?

The difference is that anyone can afford to call somebody an illiterate dosser if they don't make the attempt to improve their spelling/grammar, whilst I should not be called names for trying to help them to do so, and I'm pretty certain that the context in my OP makes that clear. However I'm sure that I don't have to tell you that name calling is prevalent on this site, especially towards somebody who is trying to educate.


Some 'illiterate dossers' don't know the difference.

That's why I posted it (!!)


Some 'illiterate people' do actually learn. :)

I'm one of them.

Well I'm genuinely pleased to hear that :)

I post on a few forums, but I have to say that in terms of simple grammar, or even just spelling, this forum is by far the worst, and the biggest offender is the use of "There" or "They're" or "Their". So here's a quick explanation of the differences.


I prefer "offence" in this sentence. PM me for an explanation of the difference.

The reason the spelling and grammar is so poor on here -and indeed on most forums etc- is because people just don't care. When you are chatting online, on a forum or in a chat room you don't have to be key perfect with your spelling or grammar because said websites are meant for quick replies, quick reading, and quick discussion. If you took extra care using correct spelling and grammar it defeats that idea.

In my view, as long as people can understand what you're saying, and the point you're making it doesn't really matter too much on places like this.

The reason the spelling and grammar is so poor on here -and indeed on most forums etc- is because people just don't care. When you are chatting online, on a forum or in a chat room you don't have to be key perfect with your spelling or grammar because said websites are meant for quick replies, quick reading, and quick discussion. If you took extra care using correct spelling and grammar it defeats that idea.

In my view, as long as people can understand what you're saying, and the point you're making it doesn't really matter too much on places like this.

That's not true in most cases, though. It's not carelessness or time saving; its illiteracy.

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!this is a hit and run post by the looks of things ,likes to criticise but doesnt like the responce he got so didn't bother coming back to reply or thank posters for their feedback .

Just wanted to make a few lives easier, for the ' above a letter, for example é, simultaniously press Alt Gr + e.

For an umlaut (Yep, being part German, that's what I know it as also) I have modified my keyboard settings so I can do ö & ä etc quite easily.

If you're to have any use for these which unless you type in German, French etc I very much doubt, but go to control panel > regional settings > Languages > Details > Add.

this is a hit and run post by the looks of things ,likes to criticise but doesnt like the responce he got so didn't bother coming back to reply or thank posters for their feedback .

No I think someone hit the nail on the head a long tme ago, it was a windup, and a lot of people bit.

Either that, or the OP saw that excuse, took it and ran.

A nice comic on the use of the apostrophe:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe

:)

But wait, there's more!

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/semicolon

I love The Oatmeal!

Just wanted to make a few lives easier, for the ' above a letter, for example é, simultaniously press Alt Gr + e.
Thanks for that.
You've shown me how to type the "acute" accent, but how do I do (I believe) the "gravé" ?

Spelling and grammar are not necessarily good indicators of intelligence and ability.

I have a friend who is dyslexic, if anyone has ever read "Feersum Endjinn" by Iain M. Banks that is pretty much how she writes.

She still managed to achieve an MSc in Genetics, a subject where spelling would seem to be of paramount importance.

I don't mind the odd grammatical or spelling error, as long as its basically readable and makes sense. I try not to make them myself; I'll go back and correct my typos numerous times, I'm quite pendantic when it comes to my own typing. I'm pretty good at English, I took it at A-level, I got a C grade.
What I do find annoying is 'text-speak' and a total lack of punctuation, it makes it really hard to read.

Punctuation is the worst, you cannot read a post that has none in it, it makes your eyes go funny. As for spelling, that doesnt really bother me, as long as you know what they mean.

Punctuation is the worst, you cannot read a post that has none in it, it makes your eyes go funny. As for spelling, that doesnt really bother me, as long as you know what they mean.

I have to agree it’s not a spelling test is it but a solid block of text without any paragraphs or full stops makes the mind boggle.

I have to agree it’s not a spelling test is it but a solid block of text without any paragraphs or full stops makes the mind boggle.

A lot of the time I can't be bothered to read peoples' posts which are like that. When you read it, it's like speaking without pausing for breath!

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

well lets be honest, grammer and punctutation are kind of dated, if your doing an english exam then ok mark me down, but this is clear enough to read and all ive used is commas,

p.s your quotations marks could have been used better, also your question marks aren't consistant.

A lot of the time I can't be bothered to read peoples' posts which are like that. When you read it, it's like speaking without pausing for breath!

:hihi:

A while back I had a run-in with someone about the very same subject, the ironic thing is I was interested in what they were saying but lost interest after about half a dozen lines with out coming up for air.

Well done to you all for your wonderful contributions to this thread. Has it run its course yet do you think?

I cant be the only one who finds it pathetic that you want to run away from this thread because it was so contradictory to begin with.

STOP, THINK, POST! (that should only apply to people such as yourself the rest of us will make baffoooons of ourselvez every post we like.

I'm of an age where spelling was taught every day in school. It didn't mean everyone could spell perfectly, but there's a reasonable chance that anyone over 60 is fairly good. It has become, like mental arithmetic, an outdated skill I fear. I think I realised that when I saw a young colleague use a calculator to work out 10%. :roll:

I have a much younger friend who is dyslexic, and although she makes a few mistakes, she uses a spell checker, so her written stuff is mainly ok. But like many others on here, I find 50 line paragraphs with no capitalisation and punctuation completely unpleasant, and will rarely make the effort to read them. And whilst I use a bit of txspk on my phone, its not allowed on here, and I wish everyone could remember that. :o

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum?

Generally the standard is not too bad (in my opinion). Poor grammar/spelling/punctuation on here just reflects the declining importance society seems to place on such things.

I'm of an age where spelling was taught every day in school. It didn't mean everyone could spell perfectly, but there's a reasonable chance that anyone over 60 is fairly good. It has become, like mental arithmetic, an outdated skill I fear. I think I realised that when I saw a young colleague use a calculator to work out 10%. :roll:

I have a much younger friend who is dyslexic, and although she makes a few mistakes, she uses a spell checker, so her written stuff is mainly ok. But like many others on here, I find 50 line paragraphs with no capitalisation and punctuation completely unpleasant, and will rarely make the effort to read them. And whilst I use a bit of txspk on my phone, its not allowed on here, and I wish everyone could remember that. :o

MODS: txspk? BAN HIM.:hihi:

A basic use of punctuation and grammar is fine, just so it doesnt become a chore for people to read any post, but I cant understand those who insist on everything being the next best thing to perfect!
Some people are almost pathalogically obsessive about it and actually devote entire posts to ranting about someone who made a spelling mistake or two or left out a comma.
I`ve even seen people being bullied because of it, two or three people attacking a newby because of their spelling mistakes and I deleted an extremely sad person from my Facebook a few months ago after I heared he and another wretch had bullied a lady because her spelling and punctuation wasnt up to their supreme ideals. Its very sad and proves that some people really need to get out and away from their computer more, either that or seek professional assistance from someone in a white coat.


Thing is, this is the internet, the longest a post is going to last is a few hours, a few weeks at most and I doubt if anyone really cares if someone missed out a bit of punctuation, its whats MEANT thats important. The world isnt going to end if someone doesnt pay too much attention to their command of the English... actually I`m going to experiment now.... I1m gonna spell a few werds rong and missout a commer or 2 and see if were still here this time tomorrer.

Yeah, I can hear the teeth of the extremely sad grating together now :D

I usually just use commas, forget about capitalisation and put sentences in separate paragraphs

I also cheat and use a firefox plug in to check spelling, I think spell checkers are available for most browsers

I have given up on paragraphs and just hope that people can use their own common sense and know instinctivley where they should breath. I dont mind bad grammer as the person writing/typing may have issues they can not help such a dyslexia, its this other language that has sprouted out of no where I cant understand. To me if something is sick, its got an ailment causing discomfort or illness.... This choice of language causes confusion, other peoples bad grammer just causes a momentary need to use ur own brain a bit more, which i can cope with.

I have given up on paragraphs and just hope that people can use their own common sense and know instinctivley where they should breath. I dont mind bad grammer as the person writing/typing may have issues they can not help such a dyslexia, its this other language that has sprouted out of no where I cant understand. To me if something is sick, its got an ailment causing discomfort or illness.... This choice of language causes confusion, other peoples bad grammer just causes a momentary need to use ur own brain a bit more, which i can cope with.

Paragraphs make something easier to read.

If you don't use them you end up with the famous "wall of text". The fact you know there should be paragraph breaks kinda makes you more annoying than someone that doesn't realise they are doing something badly - you are doing it on purpose!

And paragraphs have noting to do with when to breath btw (that would be sentences and commas)

Interesting story, linked in with the subject of this thread:

English spelling 'too difficult for children'

The complexity of the English spelling system is to blame for soaring levels of illiteracy among teenagers, according to a researcher.

A high number of “inconsistencies” in the way basic words are spelt makes it much harder for children to read and write at a young age, it is claimed.

LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7880189/English-spelling-too-difficult-for-children.html)

However, I must take issue (don't I always?) with the idea that levels of illiteracy are "soaring" yet the basic rules of spelling and grammar have not changed substantially in decades.

Children aren't suddenly getting stupider either (unless there's something in the water) so I'm forced to conclude that it's the teaching methods that are at fault.

Interesting story, linked in with the subject of this thread:



LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7880189/English-spelling-too-difficult-for-children.html)

However, I must take issue (don't I always?) with the idea that levels of illiteracy are "soaring" yet the basic rules of spelling and grammar have not changed substantially in decades.

Children aren't suddenly getting stupider either (unless there's something in the water) so I'm forced so I'm forced to conclude that it's the teaching methods that are at fault.


I agree with what I have placed in "bold". I think a lot of the problem is that teaching has declined seriously over the years due to the teachers not being able to spell themselves.

I remember when my daughter was at junior school and I went into the classroom the pupils were doing a project on finance. The teacher had made the classroom like a bank and had placed around the room various large banners, one of which had the word "morgage" on it!!

I pointed out to the teacher that she had spelt the word "mortgage" incorrectly and she just didn't want to know. The banner was never changed whilst this project was ongoing.

My daughter is now 25 and still has difficulty with her spellings due to the fact that the teachers never corrected her work - "too many red marks would lose them their confidence in spelling". Sorry but I think that after a few "red pen marks" the number of spelling mistakes would decrease over time as the child learnt how to spell the word - leaving it as it is un-marked and un-corrected means that the child never knows that they are spelling something incorrectly and will go through life not knowing.

She used to have spelling tests each week which I thought was great - until one week I asked her where her words were and she said they weren't doing them anymore. So I went into the classroom and asked the teacher what had happened to the spelling tests - oh! I've been told by the head I can't do them anymore as it was upsetting some of the children who were finding them difficult!!! :loopy: :suspect:

So now we have a society of illiterate people and which as the years and decades go by will simply get worse. Even a lot of university graduates get a degree even though they aren't able to spell words or be grammatically correct.

Mod Note

If you are going to quote other users make sure that the quote tags remain intact i.e. there is a closing '[/quote]' and an opening '[quote="...."]'

You post looks more like a dig at suspected racists than people with bad grammar, which one is it ?

..are you suggesting 'suspected racists' are a bit dim AJ?? Shame on you! :hihi:

..are you suggesting 'suspected racists' are a bit dim AJ?? Shame on you! :hihi:

A broad rule of thumb is that the most extreme right-wing posters are the ones with the poorest standard of written English.

I can't believe adults can get "their", and "there" and "your" and "you're" mixed up!

Paragraphs make something easier to read.

If you don't use them you end up with the famous "wall of text". The fact you know there should be paragraph breaks kinda makes you more annoying than someone that doesn't realise they are doing something badly - you are doing it on purpose!

And paragraphs have noting to do with when to breath btw (that would be sentences and commas) Sorry for making you more annoyed that I was taught how to use paragraphs but have chosen not to press the enter key where i should have, its lazy I agree with you.

(breath) The bit about breathing was because some people write posts with out using them,(like me:o) and other people reply by telling them to breath.

I have been using paragraphs ever since comming on this thread (a few hrs ago)so hopefully the whole thing will have taught me to be a long term paragraph user.

I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc

Thread title: "Why is the grammar and spelling so bad on this site?"

Who is "Foreigner" and what is an "etc"?

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling

"Every time you spell it this way, a dolphin gets run over by a jet ski":hihi:

For those of us who cringe at poor spelling and truly awful punctuation...a coping strategy (http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html) that made me giggle. I particularly like the Alot.

And go to the Oatmeal (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling) for a few hints and tips for improving your grammar and spelling, with a very bizarre sense of humour....

Edit to add...sccsux, you got there before me, but it deserves two mentions, at least

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

Hmm i wouldn't say i was the best with punctuation to be honest.
I've seen worse on this site, but because i can read it, i don't really see the problem?

we tipe qucklle whilsst at work so we don't hav tme 2 cheq r spelngg

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

Quite simply, its because this is an online discussion forum, and like lots of forums and online chats, people don't care how they spell things, or how grammatically correct it is because there's no point in taking the time and care to make sure every post and reply is 100%, as long as their point is made and the post is legible enough for people to understand it, it doesn't have to be perfect.

I certainly don't feel that I should take the time to make every post and reply of mine, spelled perfectly, and 100% grammatically correct.

reesh,get a life?

Quite simply, its because this is an online discussion forum, and like lots of forums and online chats, people don't care how they spell things, or how grammatically correct it is because there's no point in taking the time and care to make sure every post and reply is 100%, as long as their point is made and the post is legible enough for people to understand it, it doesn't have to be perfect.

This isn't an 'online chat' though, is it? This isn't a place where the number of characters is restricted, hence the disdain for 'txtspk'. This is a place where you have more time to reply as well, so why not take a little more time?

I certainly don't feel that I should take the time to make every post and reply of mine, spelled perfectly, and 100% grammatically correct.

Posts don't have to be perfect. There is another slight problem though which goes back to the point you made about posts being legible, and that's for disabled users who are using software to help them read the forum.

If people genuinely have difficulty with writing in English, then fair enough. Everyone makes typos as well, and nobody will be perfect all the time. People who are perfectly capable of using decent English should really do so, though. It doesn't take much effort.

Just wanted to make a few lives easier, for the ' above a letter, for example é, simultaniously press Alt Gr + e.

For an umlaut (Yep, being part German, that's what I know it as also) I have modified my keyboard settings so I can do ö & ä etc quite easily.

If you're to have any use for these which unless you type in German, French etc I very much doubt, but go to control panel > regional settings > Languages > Details > Add.

Or you can use this list of shortcuts (http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/accents-alt-codes.php), and make life easier still ;)

:confused::rant:What is wrong with people, why do people find it so difficult to spell the most simple words or actually punctuate their spelling on Sheffield Forum? I see so much criticism about Foreigner's etc but many "so called English people" have such a poor understanding of the language.

God help our children in the future if this is the standard so many people adhere to on SF!

post's like this really get on my wick some of us try are best and if its not good enough for you then tough don't read the posts.

i had extra english lessions at school from the age of 6, from being about 8 years old i was dragged from refuge to reguge by my mother as we was in hiding from her phycotic ex and missed a lot of schooling.
at the age of 11 i moved in with my dad and started a new school in a completly new area and tryed my hardest with school work to the point where i was called lazy and punished i used to cry my eyes out over people thinking i couldn't be bothered to try dispite doing my best.
at the age of 13 i was diagnoised with dyslexia (bit late by then though)
then at 15 my dads marriage ending i was forced to move back to my mums and after 3 months of 6.30am taxi rides to school and then not returning homee to 6.30pm i couldn't hack any more and as there was no availible space at the local school i ended up missing some of year 10 and the whole of year 11.
other than this last year (through disabilities) i have not been out of work, i have never not got a job ive gone for, i enjoy reading and do so often and never make a big deal out of my dyslexia.

but what i dont understand is why you feel you have the right to judge anyone based on there spelling and grammer.

Quite simply, its because this is an online discussion forum, and like lots of forums and online chats, people don't care how they spell things, or how grammatically correct it is because there's no point in taking the time and care to make sure every post and reply is 100%, as long as their point is made and the post is legible enough for people to understand it, it doesn't have to be perfect.

I certainly don't feel that I should take the time to make every post and reply of mine, spelled perfectly, and 100% grammatically correct.

The thing is, your post above is in good English and without spelling mistakes. Well none that I could see.

I think it's worth spending the time to write in decent English as you'll get taken more seriously and it's easier on the eye. I spent a lot of time not writing anything from the end of my education till when I started participating on the internet. My spelling and grammar had slipped and I forgotten how to spell or write.

I don't claim to be anything like perfect, but at least I make an effort. I use a UK English spellchecker for Firefox, but even that has to be watched as their and there are two correctly spelt words with different meanings which are often confused. A spellchecker will say both are correct regardless of context.

Two sites I have very found useful are Correct Punctuation (http://correctpunctuation.explicatus.info/) and Common Misspellings (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/page/spellingcommonmisp) . Both sites are very simple guides and a quick and easy way to improve your written English.

The stuff I find confusing and illegible are posts which are written without any capitals or punctuation in one long sentence half a page long using lots of text speak, like 2 for to and ur for your.

post's like this really get on my wick some of us try are best and if its not good enough for you then tough don't read the posts.

i had extra english lessions at school from the age of 6, from being about 8 years old i was dragged from refuge to reguge by my mother as we was in hiding from her phycotic ex and missed a lot of schooling.
at the age of 11 i moved in with my dad and started a new school in a completly new area and tryed my hardest with school work to the point where i was called lazy and punished i used to cry my eyes out over people thinking i couldn't be bothered to try dispite doing my best.
at the age of 13 i was diagnoised with dyslexia (bit late by then though)
then at 15 my dads marriage ending i was forced to move back to my mums and after 3 months of 6.30am taxi rides to school and then not returning homee to 6.30pm i couldn't hack any more and as there was no availible space at the local school i ended up missing some of year 10 and the whole of year 11.
other than this last year (through disabilities) i have not been out of work, i have never not got a job ive gone for, i enjoy reading and do so often and never make a big deal out of my dyslexia.

but what i dont understand is why you feel you have the right to judge anyone based on there spelling and grammer.

I don't think it's about judging people, rather it's about making posts easier to read. The moderating team don't take action for poor spelling and grammar, but they will when posters use text speak as it's clearly not allowed.

Reading is a pleasure for a lot of people, and for some it's more pleasurable when we aren't mentally making corrections. Having said that, it's not on to harass people because they spell something wrongly, or put a comma in the wrong place. :shakes:

I really like the link in cosywolf's post to 'Oatmeal'. A really good help for people if they get basics like their/they're/there mixed up. http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6461945&postcount=140

I think a lot of problems began when they started to teach phonetic spelling in schools....I would say most taught before that are pretty good spellers even now.
My great grand-daughter was tormenting her mom for some new crayons a while ago but not getting very far....she stomped into the corner and attempted to show how useless the ones she had were....when she finished her latest work of art, she wrote in big letters all over them, the word ROOWIND.......not a bad attempt at ruined for a FIVE year old though was it?