Anyone got any idea what this new hotel is called and when it's expected to be finished?

thanks:)

I just wish they had not bothered it looks awful, spoils what they had achieved.

it's the "Mcdonalds Saint Pauls Hotel" and it'll not be too long before it's finished. It'll be a five-star hotel, as i understand it.

IIRC i think it is due to be ready by xmas? (I stand to be corrected on that one)

PT

Thanks for that Plain Talker! :):)

opens earlier than christmas. October/November I think

But will the alterations to Norfolk Street be ready in time ?.....I do an inspection every Saturday morning and to be honest there seems to have been little progress over the last six weeks. OTOH it is a Street Force project :rolleyes:

And that gazebo at he bottom of Norfolk Street, -they've been working on that for twelve months now and it still looks far from finished....what's it for ??

An absolute shambles to build this hotel and to block the views from the winter gardens.
Still sheff council so its alright yes? When will they EVER listen to the people of this city???

Lets hope that when it does open their hygeine is dramatically better than the McDonalds Grand in Scarborough! Otherwise we'll be plagued by epedemics of food poisoning etc from the guests.

I bet it will cost a fortune to stay there too :loopy:

Originally posted by royjames
An absolute shambles to build this hotel and to block the views from the winter gardens.
Still sheff council so its alright yes? When will they EVER listen to the people of this city???
You ain't seen nothing yet The developers want to build a 31 floor block of flats on the site of the registry office. But don't worry, the Council are only agreing to 21 floors, so that's alright then.:suspect:

Originally posted by royjames
Still sheff council so its alright yes? When will they EVER listen to the people of this city???

They did - the people who said that the Peace Gardens / Heart of the City / Millennium Gallery projects shouldn't cost the ratepayers of this City a penny. So, to get the matched funding for European and Lottery money, there had to be some revenue generating elements to the project - hotel, offices, etc.

If the people of the city had said that they were happy for the Council to underwrite the whole project, maybe things would have been different?

Do we really need another hotel in Sheffield?

Originally posted by EyeSpy
Do we really need another hotel in Sheffield?

Yes we do, there isn't enough hotel rooms at all in sheffield.

It would have been an extra £1 on everyones council tax bill to fund and run the winter gardens i believe.

Originally posted by royjames
Still sheff council so its alright yes? When will they EVER listen to the people of this city???

They are politicains, so in fact, dont listen to anyone but themselves, unless its running upto an election.

Joel

Originally posted by EyeSpy
Do we really need another hotel in Sheffield?

Absolutely!

The majority of Sheffield's hotel's are on the lines of Travel Lodge/Inn(?) etc with a few old fashioned one scattered around. Don't suppose the Hilton is too bad but offers nothing different.

I'm looking forward to seeing the proposed 'Boutique' style hotel on Leopold Street which is a listed building conversion.

Originally posted by royjames
An absolute shambles to build this hotel and to block the views from the winter gardens.
Still sheff council so its alright yes? When will they EVER listen to the people of this city???

You had a chance to complain back in 1995 when the plans went out for public debate.I remember the main bone of contention back then was that people didnt want the old Peace gardens ripped up and look how wrong they turned out to be,and no one mentioned anything about the new hotel then or even the Winter garden.

I for one feel the Hotel is looking quite good and the office next to it is growing on me and that should look better when the next two blocks are built next to it.

Just wait till it is all finished when you will see the office with people in the windows milling around,people sitting in the new cafe's and bars and walking through the new square on their way to the new Station area.It will Make the whole area a lot more lively a lot better than the old egg box that just cut the hole area off from Arundle gate and the train station.

And as for the 31 storey building towering over the Peace gardens it will look great.

Sheffield is really on the up...literally.

Originally posted by EyeSpy
Do we really need another hotel in Sheffield?

McDonalds must think we do or they would not invest millions of pounds in our fair city,creating hundreds of jobs in the process.

it's a great idea and we should all support it - it will bring investment in the city and benefit everyone

just visit any other city centre and you will see how far behind sheffield is -

i personally think sheffield coucil is crap but i ahve experience of worse councils - although the ct is too high

Originally posted by EyeSpy
Do we really need another hotel in Sheffield?

Only if we want people to come here and spend their money.

Also just to say the 31 storey tower will create a landmark point in the city, people at the station will walk out and see it standing proudly at the top of Howard street. The higher end residential market in the city centre is also lacking - i mean the very high end.

I hate people who complain for the sake of complaining. Alot of people in sheffield quite rightly feel they're not being listened to and if i had the chance i'd get all the current idiots out of the town hall right now. But some people just go on and on complaing, its very offputting to tourists and inward investors.

This is what their website says about it:

New Hotel (http://www.stpauls-hotel.co.uk/index.asp?macd_source_link=http://www.macdonald-hotels.co.uk/hotels/locationmap.htm)

Originally posted by MrHelicopter
This is what their website says about it:

New Hotel (http://www.stpauls-hotel.co.uk/index.asp?macd_source_link=http://www.macdonald-hotels.co.uk/hotels/locationmap.htm)

It sounds quite posh, that will make a change, somewhere classy to stay in town.

Originally posted by AndrewC
Also just to say the 31 storey tower will create a landmark point in the city, people at the station will walk out and see it standing proudly at the top of Howard street. The higher end residential market in the city centre is also lacking - i mean the very high end.

I hate people who complain for the sake of complaining. Alot of people in sheffield quite rightly feel they're not being listened to and if i had the chance i'd get all the current idiots out of the town hall right now. But some people just go on and on complaing, its very offputting to tourists and inward investors.
If that was aimed at me, I was expressing an honest opinion about a development I've only just heard about. I think a building of that size in that position will look totally out of place, and by its scale make the Winter Gardens, which I think is brilliant and a great asset to the city, look like someone's backyard greenhouse. Let's have some high quality places to live, as many storeys as you like, I just think it's in the wrong place, be it 31 or 21 storeys high.

Originally posted by algy
You ain't seen nothing yet The developers want to build a 31 floor block of flats on the site of the registry office. But don't worry, the Council are only agreing to 21 floors, so that's alright then.:suspect:
Still, if that 31-storey development doesn't get built at 31 storeys or more, Sheffield will only fall further behind Leeds and Manchester (it'll still be behind, even with that building). Leeds is getting a 48-storey tower next to the railway station, and it is likely that the 41-storey Venture Tower on Wellington Street, Leeds will go ahead soon, perhaps by the end of the year (one of eight or nine 30-48 storey buildings about to go up in that city so far), whilst Manchester is getting loads of buildings going up from 35 to 62 storeys.

Originally posted by algy
If that was aimed at me, I was expressing an honest opinion about a development I've only just heard about. I think a building of that size in that position will look totally out of place, and by its scale make the Winter Gardens, which I think is brilliant and a great asset to the city, look like someone's backyard greenhouse. Let's have some high quality places to live, as many storeys as you like, I just think it's in the wrong place, be it 31 or 21 storeys high.

The new St Pauls Tower is proposed for Arundel Gate, a key gateway for visitor's arriving into England's fourth biggest city, it will be an impressive landmark for Sheffield and is in exactly the right location.

If you want to admire the Winter Gardens then don't stand on Arundel Gate.

Diversity helps make a city more intresting, how boring would it be if everything was built the same size and anyway the Town Hall and MacDonalds Hotel already dwarf the councils greenhouse.

I do like the Winter Gardens, but think it is WAY over-rated!

Aren't we a politically-minded lot?

They build a hotel sandwiched between the Winter Gardens and the Town Hall and we refer to it as being near the former rather than the latter.:D

Originally posted by EyeSpy
Do we really need another hotel in Sheffield?
Leeds has 21 hotels in its city centre - with at least another six planned or under construction - and nearly all of them are top ones, and one of the planned hotels will be in the smaller (29 storeys) Criterion Place tower. If Sheffield is to attract business then it does need more hotels.

Originally posted by firecracker
Still, if that 31-storey development doesn't get built at 31 storeys or more, Sheffield will only fall further behind Leeds and Manchester (it'll still be behind, even with that building).

If all we after doing is copying Leeds and Manchester then any old piece of tall crap will do, if we are after creating our own distinctive city centre then we need to take a bit more care.
Bigger isn't always better.

It makes me wonder if half the people on this forum have ever even left Sheffield and visited other cities recently, it hits you like a ton of bricks how far behind Sheffield is lagging when you visit other big cities!

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
It makes me wonder if half the people on this forum have ever even left Sheffield and visited other cities recently, it hits you like a ton of bricks how far behind Sheffield is lagging when you visit other big cities!

Leeds might be considered "ahead" of us, but I don't like Leeds city centre, it's to overbuilt, Manchester is better, and Birmingham, but Leeds doesn't do it for me at all.

Originally posted by nick2
Leeds might be considered "ahead" of us, but I don't like Leeds city centre, it's to overbuilt, Manchester is better, and Birmingham, but Leeds doesn't do it for me at all.

I not talking about Leeds, even smaller cities like Nottingham, Newcastle, Cardiff and Bristol all have city centres more attractive and successful than Sheffields.

I wouldnt even utter Sheffield in the same sentence has Birmingham and Manchester or even leeds.

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
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I do like the Winter Gardens, but think it is WAY over-rated! [/B]

Just as well then that the building will be all but invisible by the time the the rest of the development is finished. McDonalds already seem to be touting the Winter Gardens as a facility for their paying guests, rather than a public amenity.....perhaps that is what the council intended them to be all along :D

Originally posted by AndrewC
But some people just go on and on complaing, its very offputting to tourists and inward investors.

I doubt that 'tourists and inward investors' listen to the people of Sheffield any more than the council do :rolleyes:

is it me or does the big spikey thing on top of the hotel look suspiciosly like a sneeky mobile phone mast...???gotta go but will catch up with thread tomorow

Originally posted by Greybeard
I doubt that 'tourists and inward investors' listen to the people of Sheffield any more than the council do :rolleyes:

I disagree, the overall feel for a town, how positive it is, how much it wants something is often a factor in big developments - We were in a way lucky that this city is a big fan of having the snooker championships, that was the key in keeping them here.

PLus lots of money no doubt!

is it me or does the big spikey thing on top of the hotel look suspiciosly like a sneeky mobile phone mast...???

Originally posted by AndrewC
I disagree, the overall feel for a town, how positive it is, how much it wants something is often a factor in big developments - We were in a way lucky that this city is a big fan of having the snooker championships, that was the key in keeping them here.

PLus lots of money no doubt!

Well money of course and more importantly fat profit...but sadly there's little of that to be made from speculative buiding in Sheffield.

I still feel the council have sold the 'town' and the people of Sheffield down the river with the St. Pauls development. The Peace Gardens are surrounded on three sides by quite decent Victorian architecture and the new buildings will stick up like a sore thumb, - as incongruous as was the Town Hall Extension they replace.

And as for how much the 'town' wanted this development, my recollection is that there was a considerable public outcry when the plans were announced. My impression was that the council were desperate to get the site developed and weren't too fussy about who did it or what kind of buildings went up.

Walked past this building last night scaffolding coming down from outside. Have to admit, its looking realy ugly. These new ''prestigious'' buildings rock.

Originally posted by Plain Talker
it's the "Mcdonalds Saint Pauls Hotel" and it'll not be too long before it's finished. It'll be a five-star hotel, as i understand it.


It's a four star hotel PT. The Council originally wanted a five start but none of the major players would put one up in Sheffield - they knew they would not get £300+ ARR to justify it.

The whole project looked like failing at one point before McDonalds stepped in at last minute to agree. I think you may also find that it is being heavily subsidised from somewhere.

I know for a fact that the major hotel companies around the world (McDonalds are very small in comparison) were approached and asked if they would build on the site by the Council and they were laughed out of the room.

You can count on one hand the number of five star hotels outside London.

what do people think of that new hotel next to the winter gardens?

Hi andrew,
There is a search function on this forum which is very useful at times like these as this subject has been discussed quite a lot in the past few months.
Don't feel embarassed as a lot of newbies do ask questions that have been answered before,
I thought I'd answer you before one of the smart-alec types stuck their oar in.
Welcome aboard