It seems to be way too easy for someone to take offence to something I say on here that's meant to be a joke or tongue in cheek comment. I've been accused of a few things by a couple of users. They are in the minority but disturbing never the less. Maybe it's me and no-one else has this problem. I'm not an obnoxious person and I don't have this trouble with people who I meet personally. I don't have an 'I speak my mind even if you don't want to hear the truth' attitude, It's not my style but I will stand up for myself in an argument. Advice please - I'm not over sensitive!:cool:

The same reason they happen anywhere I'd say although being a virtual community throws some extra factors into the pot:

Things I may take as a joke or said with tongue in cheek you may take literally & vice versa. Particularly without the aid of the non verbal clues that we have in 'real life'. Emoticons only go part way to solving this one. I've seen a fair few jokes misinterpreted on here (as well as made a few that not everyone has taken the way they were intended). It helps to be a bit understanding when that happens - at least until you are sure the person in question is being bloody minded in misunderstanding what you're saying. Although we all naturally defend ourselves when attacked getting defensive without getting to the bottom of the problem just inflames things. Which is fine if you want a full scale row but most people don't.

Some people feel they are less accountable online & develop a whole new persona. They say things they wouldn't normally or use a tone that's more direct (& sometimes offensive) often without realising it.

All it takes is for a small misunderstanding to occur & all parties get defensive. Then you have a vicious circle :|

Finding some common ground can go a long way to solving things but then that's the same the world over :)

Some of the time it is because "Sheffield forum" is frequented by non Yorkshire people.

We In Sheffield have a wicked sense of humour, Take the Pi** out of ourselves and our friends, people from down south would not understand.

I post complete twaddle most of the time, it is only Yorkshire people who understand the fun behind it.

Originally posted by viking
Some of the time it is because "Sheffield forum" is frequented by non Yorkshire people.

We In Sheffield have a wicked sense of humour, Take the Pi** out of ourselves and our friends, people from down south would not understand.

I post complete twaddle most of the time, it is only Yorkshire people who understand the fun behind it.

Now, you see I could take offence at that seeing as Viking's posts usually make me smile but I wasn't born in Yorkshire :P

Originally posted by Siân
Now, you see I could take offence at that seeing as Viking's posts usually make me smile but I wasn't born in Yorkshire :P

See, you Smile.
If you were born in Yorkshire you would Laugh. :hihi:

Originally posted by Siân
The same reason they happen anywhere I'd say although being a virtual community throws some extra factors into the pot:

Things I may take as a joke or said with tongue in cheek you may take literally & vice versa. Particularly without the aid of the non verbal clues that we have in 'real life'. Emoticons only go part way to solving this one. I've seen a fair few jokes misinterpreted on here (as well as made a few that not everyone has taken the way they were intended). It helps to be a bit understanding when that happens - at least until you are sure the person in question is being bloody minded in misunderstanding what you're saying. Although we all naturally defend ourselves when attacked getting defensive without getting to the bottom of the problem just inflames things. Which is fine if you want a full scale row but most people don't.

Some people feel they are less accountable online & develop a whole new persona. They say things they wouldn't normally or use a tone that's more direct (& sometimes offensive) often without realising it.

All it takes is for a small misunderstanding to occur & all parties get defensive. Then you have a vicious circle :|

Finding some common ground can go a long way to solving things but then that's the same the world over :) Yes, absolutely. I've seen threads that incite people deliberately but they don't stick around too long (they are taken off) but I've seen people being really offensive to others and no-one seems to care. Also, when a person tried to start an argument with me, I followed the rules by sending a pm, that was not appreciated by the person at all. Could there be an alternative to pm's? If people don't want you to pm them they can get a bit ratty! Arguing with people senselessly is a complete waste of time. It should be a different matter if you are offering a valid debate but that sometimes turns into a war!

Originally posted by tulip
Yes, absolutely. I've seen threads that incite people deliberately but they don't stick around too long (they are taken off) but I've seen people being really offensive to others and no-one seems to care. Also, when a person tried to start an argument with me, I followed the rules by sending a pm, that was not appreciated by the person at all. Could there be an alternative to pm's? If people don't want you to pm them they can get a bit ratty! Arguing with people senselessly is a complete waste of time. It should be a different matter if you are offering a valid debate but that sometimes turns into a war! I was born in sheffield and yes people seem to be able to take it as well as dish it out but I don't think thats exclussive to Yorkshire and judging by some peoples reactions to innocent comments, I would say they can only dish it out and even be violent if they don't like you!

A lot of it is fun, (Hopefully).

I post things sometimes to get a "Bite" all in fun, Like:

"Sheffield united to play in blue and white next season"

And straight away post are coming in: "I'D rather die and so forth" so you post THIS (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/viking99/forums/bitepicture.jpg) :hihi:

Originally posted by viking
See, you Smile.
If you were born in Yorkshire you would Laugh. :hihi: Ha ha, she not smiling, she's sticking her tongue out:D

Originally posted by viking
A lot of it is fun, (Hopefully).

I post things sometimes to get a "Bite" all in fun, Like:

"Sheffield united to play in blue and white next season"

And straight away post are coming in: "I'D rather die and so forth" so you post THIS (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/viking99/forums/bitepicture.jpg) :hihi: I was born near the Sheffield Wednesday ground, see stuff like that starts an unnecessary war! IT SHOULDN'T be a problem:confused: :)

Originally posted by Siân
The same reason they happen anywhere I'd say although being a virtual community throws some extra factors into the pot:

Things I may take as a joke or said with tongue in cheek you may take literally & vice versa. Particularly without the aid of the non verbal clues that we have in 'real life'. Emoticons only go part way to solving this one. I've seen a fair few jokes misinterpreted on here (as well as made a few that not everyone has taken the way they were intended). It helps to be a bit understanding when that happens - at least until you are sure the person in question is being bloody minded in misunderstanding what you're saying. Although we all naturally defend ourselves when attacked getting defensive without getting to the bottom of the problem just inflames things. Which is fine if you want a full scale row but most people don't.

Some people feel they are less accountable online & develop a whole new persona. They say things they wouldn't normally or use a tone that's more direct (& sometimes offensive) often without realising it.

All it takes is for a small misunderstanding to occur & all parties get defensive. Then you have a vicious circle :|

Finding some common ground can go a long way to solving things but then that's the same the world over :) I put my face on as an avatar so people could see I was some evil devil - oops maybe thats the problem I LOOK LIKE I WANT TO START A PUNCH-UP, I'd better find a new avatar!

Originally posted by tulip
when a person tried to start an argument with me, I followed the rules by sending a pm, that was not appreciated by the person at all. Could there be an alternative to pm's? If people don't want you to pm them they can get a bit ratty! Arguing with people senselessly is a complete waste of time. It should be a different matter if you are offering a valid debate but that sometimes turns into a war!

Valid debate is what the forum's about - it's only the personal arguments that need to be taken to PM & you can't force someone to argue with you if they don't want to so sometimes it's a matter of walking away.

So sorely tempted as I am to 'come back' at Viking I'm going to take my own advice :hihi:

It's not for "normal people" :hihi:

Originally posted by Siân
Valid debate is what the forum's about - it's only the personal arguments that need to be taken to PM & you can't force someone to argue with you if they don't want to so sometimes it's a matter of walking away.

So sorely tempted as I am to 'come back' at Viking I'm going to take my own advice :hihi: I was trying NOT to argue, And walking away is the only thing you can do but when someone is provoking you it's not easy. I wouldn't want to argue with Viking either - sounds like an ex-gladiator off the telly ;)

Originally posted by tulip
I wouldn't want to argue with Viking either - sounds like an ex-gladiator off the telly ;)

Am not.
I'm a good lad, all meek and mild :thumbsup:

Originally posted by viking
It's not for "normal people" :hihi: Whats normal? doesn't everyone spend hours tapping away at their key boards conversing across the Atlantic? And being a total SF addict.....:suspect:

Originally posted by tulip
I was born near the Sheffield Wednesday ground, see stuff like that starts an unnecessary war! IT SHOULDN'T be a problem:confused: :)

It's not a problem for normal people was what i was repling to Too Lips :hihi:

Originally posted by viking
Am not.
I'm a good lad, all meek and mild :thumbsup: Then you should have named yourself 'fluffy teddy bear' then. No one would want to clash and argue with a teddy bear. No-one would take anything you said seriously so no chance of a row either!:P

Originally posted by tulip
No-one would take anything you said seriously so no chance of a row either!:P

No one takes anything serious anyway (I hope)

Originally posted by viking
No one takes anything serious anyway (I hope) In that case it's ME that causes people to go all mardy and threaten me with violence - from the otherside of the word:confused: I'm so scared someone is going to 'get me' how long does it take to swim the Atlantic:help:

Originally posted by tulip
In that case it's ME that causes people to go all mardy and threaten me with violence - from the otherside of the word:confused: I'm so scared someone is going to 'get me' how long does it take to swim the Atlantic:help:

I have had PM's too. The last one from a forum member, we met up, went for a few beers and had a right laugh.

Thats what it's all about. People take it too serious, and rightly so, there are some issues that are serious.

Originally posted by tulip
In that case it's ME that causes people to go all mardy and threaten me with violence - from the otherside of the word:confused: I'm so scared someone is going to 'get me' how long does it take to swim the Atlantic:help:
It should always be just a bit of fun, being honest helps, and if other people on the SF cant handle it, tuff, ive been told off for calling someone, i didnt think i did, but at the end of it all its good to be different, thats the whole point of havin a forum, getting everyones views??
even though some Sf members do go to bramall lane, "spelt it wrong" BUMHOLE lane,"thats better",..:heyhey: ITS ALL GOOD FUN.
As long as you can also take it back!!

Originally posted by owdlad
You two should get out more :D
Last time viking was allowed out he was chased by a pack of ferral dogs :hihi:
(soz Vike - couldn't let that one go, mate :thumbsup: )


The human brain, although very advanced technologically, still lags way behind to caveman instinct when it comes to communication.

55% of communication understanding is in facial expression & body language.

This is lost on the phone or forums. So it's easy to misinterpret things. Smilies do help but not always.

(ps - the 55% bit was poached from a TV program just last night on cable about the invention of the telephone)

Originally posted by tulip
I was born in sheffield and yes people seem to be able to take it as well as dish it out but I don't think thats exclussive to Yorkshire and judging by some peoples reactions to innocent comments, I would say they can only dish it out and even be violent if they don't like you! Tulip I am totally mystified as to how anyone can get "violent" on the internet.

I have seen your previous postings elsewhere which caused controversy, and to be honest I don't think that they were taken the wrong way by the person concerned, but were personally directed against that person.

It seems to me that you have started this thread to bait that person into making comment, and I really hope that they don't rise to it.

:roll:

Sian

Why do people not practise what they preach.

Is anyone on the forum allowed to slag someone else off then without that other person knowing.

Originally posted by Ann_x
Tulip I am totally mystified as to how anyone can get "violent" on the internet.


:roll:
i have actually had a couple of death threat emails for being the daddy and admin on a bands forums by friends of the singers ex old friends .........there was 3 of us named lol............that was in 2002 and im still here tho.....and on the bands forums :)

luckily you cant shoot guns or throw bombs though the tinternet......yet

Originally posted by rosie
Sian

Why do people not practise what they preach.

Is anyone on the forum allowed to slag someone else off then without that other person knowing.

I'm not sure if you mean that as a personal question (if so I've PM'd you) or as a general response to my post Rosie?

Originally posted by Ann_x
[B][COLOR=purple]Tulip I am totally mystified as to how anyone can get "violent" on the internet.

I've had a couple of threats of GBH whilst Moderating this board, and have met oneof the individuals and got on with him quite well.

However, there are occasions when people's politics get them their details listed on boards that incite violence.

And some comments made by people across the net can be so offensive and frightening so as to constitute harrassment and such - and to be frank that's something that I try not to put up with here.

Joe

It was just a question, had nothing to do with anyone`s posts on here today.

Just a further observation....

Whilst personality clashes do happen, should anyone feel that such things have gone beyond the pale then report the posting or contact a Moderator. If that doesn't get you satisfaction, use the 'Contact Us' option.

However, if you do that after winding someone up and they retaliate in kind, just don't expect a Mod to wade in and clear things up. Speaking for myself, when that happens I'm just as likely to take action against whoever started the peeing contest! :)

Joe

I understand that stuff posted on the internet can incite violence, but Tulip's comment seemed to say that people can be violent on the internet. I thought violence was a physical thing, maybe I'm wrong?

Originally posted by viking
Some of the time it is because "Sheffield forum" is frequented by non Yorkshire people.

We In Sheffield have a wicked sense of humour, Take the Pi** out of ourselves and our friends, people from down south would not understand.

I post complete twaddle most of the time, it is only Yorkshire people who understand the fun behind it.



I too could take great offence at this comment as i am a southern girl born and bred... but i have a wicked sense of humour as well as being a friendly person so i feel quite at home up North as of the South... I moved here for the fact that it's a cheaper way of living plus and a big plus the people are so much more friendlier... (other than viking of course :P )

Since living here in Sheffield i have been back home on a number of occasions one of them going into town with my partner... i hated it... i couldnt wait to get out of the pub we were in... i felt as if i was being starred at and watched every move... When i lived there i never felt that way... i guess its being here makes things feel more relaxed and welcoming...

Thank you...

Think i've gone off track lol i do understand what people are saying when things get misread... but at the end of the day people are entitled to their own opinions and will always believe what they want to believe... so let them get on with it... :wink:

The way i like to put myself across when maybe being a little light hearted it put a smiley face / lol / a wink or something so it doesnt get misinterpreted...

Good luck in future posts :)

Originally posted by rosie
Sian

Why do people not practise what they preach.

Is anyone on the forum allowed to slag someone else off then without that other person knowing.

If it's not a response to any of the posts on this thread then I'm not sure what you mean about people not practicing what they preach.

As for the latter about people discussing others behind their backs then I'd say the forum was no different to any other group/situation. Online is no different from 'real life' in that respect.

Originally posted by tulip
Yes, absolutely. I've seen threads that incite people deliberately

Hmmm me thinks someone is trying (again) to incite someone deliberately...

Originally posted by tulip
Also, when a person tried to start an argument with me, I followed the rules by sending a pm, that was not appreciated by the person at all.

"That" person didn't start an argument about you. You started an argument with that person in a thread that has now been removed.

Originally posted by tulip
I followed the rules by sending a pm, that was not appreciated by the person at all. Could there be an alternative to pm's?

That person may choose not to want to converse with you via PM's, or in any form whatsoever.

Originally posted by tulip
Arguing with people senselessly is a complete waste of time. It should be a different matter if you are offering a valid debate but that sometimes turns into a war!

So stop arguing with people! For those people that aren't "in the know", this thread is (again) Tulip trying her best to get a rise from me. Yawnsville.

Originally posted by Siân
Now, you see I could take offence at that seeing as Viking's posts usually make me smile but I wasn't born in Yorkshire :P

I hope our moderating team has not been infiltrated by Lancastrians .....:suspect:

Originally posted by BoroughGal


That person may choose not to want to converse with you via PM's, or in any form whatsoever.



thats the problem i have with the rule on this forum about not talking personally with people in threads.....mainly to get to know them BEFORE you start pming them ...............cos people like pms to be that, private messages.........normally with people they know and want to talk privately with.
otherwise you can come away feeling like a stalker OR trying to get off with somebody.
in fact i know quite a few fourms / chats were its expressly forbidden to pm people (especially women) without permission........which normally involves getting to know people in the chat first.

*moan mode off*

Mod. Note

Let me explain why we have certain rules and guidelines.

The rules about ping-pong conversations between two users on a Forum thread came about to prevent waste of storage space and bandwidth. They came about because some people just did one and two word responses that went on for several pages, effectively mis-using the facility. And you will probably have noticed that we DO let some of these conversations go on, if they're being sensible.

With PMs, if someone who you dislike PMs you then simply bin it. If they PM again and you don't feel up to answering for any reason, let one of the Admin Team know and we'll politely ask the other user to desist. I've done this on numerous occasions.

In your profile there is scope for an MSN / Yahoo name. This can be used for conversation. Again, if someone there pops up that you don't like, you bar them in MSN / Yahoo.

Now, tulip, if you have a problem with a user either deal with it with the user, contact a moderator or just let it drop. Please don't raise it in public threads where tempers get frayed and words are said that cannot be easily called back.

Thanks,

Joe

Originally posted by robbie
I hope our moderating team has not been infiltrated by Lancastrians .....:suspect:

It's worse than that....I'm from Nottinghamshire and was a student in Manchester.

:D

Whats wrong with Lancastrians ?

Originally posted by rosie
Whats wrong with Lancastrians ?

they're hotpots :P



now leave us puddings alone :)

explain please.

Originally posted by rosie
explain please.

ok

*goes into a long spiel about stereotypes and local foods*

not really

just the stereotypical lancashire hotpot and yorkshire pudding delacasies (sic) thats how i regionalise people, if your from yorkshire your a pudding, if your from manchester your a hot pot

and if your from east london your a jellied eel?

:)

Originally posted by rosie
Whats wrong with Lancastrians ?

I spent 6 months working at Edge Hill college in Ormskirk.

Nowt wrong with Lancashire females at all :love:

Lancastrian females are unique.

Abdul thats nice to hear.

Originally posted by JoePritchard
It's worse than that....I'm from Nottinghamshire and was a student in Manchester.

:D

Nay Joe, not just from Nottinghamshire...you are from Warsop ;) which even scares others from Notts, it could be worse though you might hail from Shirebrook, or even Meden Vale :D

For those of you who are not aware of these places, look here http://www.warsopweb.co.uk/

Originally posted by Ann_x
Tulip I am totally mystified as to how anyone can get "violent" on the internet.

I have seen your previous postings elsewhere which caused controversy, and to be honest I don't think that they were taken the wrong way by the person concerned, but were personally directed against that person.

It seems to me that you have started this thread to bait that person into making comment, and I really hope that they don't rise to it.

:roll: You see, you had the same reaction. If I wanted to bait the person(s) I would use their name(S) & I could be sneaky and give reference to particular threads, I don't want to do that either. That is what I can't understand. You took offence to my thread when absolutely none was intended. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about me.

I have posted stuff on here but mostly in response to what people have said to me directly or to a post which was contoversial e.g the 'anonymous' saga's I was going to name a thread(s) but decided it might bait someone. Obviously I'm misguided but I thought that is what people did. Some people insult others - do I do that? If I do then I don't mean to.

Also, If I post something directly in response to something a person has said to me, I don't go back and wipe out my comment or quote. That is not more bait or a dig at ANYONE, it is just what some people do.

I've have decided the only thing I can do is look at funny threads and not respond directly in quote form or respond to anything anyone has previously posted. I will have to rely on people who send ME pm's.

I've have been in the chat room loads of times and as far as I know, not offended anyone - If someone knows differently please say, I won't respond!:) (But don't make stuff up that isn't true:thumbsup:)

Anyone that chooses can go on thinking I'm out to cause trouble, upset and bait people and be bitchy and horrible. I'm not that insecure that it will hurt me because I know it's not true and that's whats important:) (a genuine smile, not a sarcastic one)

Originally posted by owdlad
Nay Joe, not just from Nottinghamshire...you are from Warsop ;) which even scares others from Notts, it could be worse though you might hail from Shirebrook, or even Meden Vale :D

For those of you who are not aware of these places, look here http://www.warsopweb.co.uk/

I knew Meden Vale before the local yuppies had the name changed to Meden vale from Welbeck Colliery Village. :)

Joe

Originally posted by Ann_x
I understand that stuff posted on the internet can incite violence, but Tulip's comment seemed to say that people can be violent on the internet. I thought violence was a physical thing, maybe I'm wrong? I said I wasn't going to respond so I'm breaking my own promise but I should have said 'threatened with violence' I was not upset and wouldn't want to start reporting people, I just phrased it wrong:)

Originally posted by rosie
Whats wrong with Lancastrians ?

small Battle of the Roses problem :D

and you all have 3 eyes:D

Originally posted by melthebell
thats the problem i have with the rule on this forum about not talking personally with people in threads.....mainly to get to know them BEFORE you start pming them ...............cos people like pms to be that, private messages.........normally with people they know and want to talk privately with.
otherwise you can come away feeling like a stalker OR trying to get off with somebody.
in fact i know quite a few fourms / chats were its expressly forbidden to pm people (especially women) without permission........which normally involves getting to know people in the chat first.

*moan mode off* I can reply to you because you don't find me offensive? That was it. I don't want to argue on a thread (I thought having an opinion was ok), I don't want to argue by pm but if I want to repond directly to something someone said then I'm told to do it via pm. I upset someone by doing this - It wasn't meant to start an all out war. I won't send pm's to anyone unless they pm me first. I won't respond directly to people who are going to get angry with me personally because I posted something they didn't like. I can't do much more than that. Again if someone in particular thinks this thread is here to annoy them personally it ISN'T:| As much as I'd like to respond to anyone thinking I'm trying to cause trouble, I'm not going to.

Originally posted by JoePritchard

Mod. Note

Let me explain why we have certain rules and guidelines.

The rules about ping-pong conversations between two users on a Forum thread came about to prevent waste of storage space and bandwidth. They came about because some people just did one and two word responses that went on for several pages, effectively mis-using the facility. And you will probably have noticed that we DO let some of these conversations go on, if they're being sensible.

With PMs, if someone who you dislike PMs you then simply bin it. If they PM again and you don't feel up to answering for any reason, let one of the Admin Team know and we'll politely ask the other user to desist. I've done this on numerous occasions.

In your profile there is scope for an MSN / Yahoo name. This can be used for conversation. Again, if someone there pops up that you don't like, you bar them in MSN / Yahoo.

Now, tulip, if you have a problem with a user either deal with it with the user, contact a moderator or just let it drop. Please don't raise it in public threads where tempers get frayed and words are said that cannot be easily called back.

Thanks,

Joe

I hope you can see I'm not trying to get a rise out of anyone. I have no problem with anyone. I don't wish to report anyone. Is it possible that you have misinterpreted my reason for this thread? I will problably be accused of more sculduggery but can I ask you, if you think I'm trying to upset people in particular why would they take any notice of my thread? If I wind someone up they can ignore anything posted by me especially threads started by me.:|

Originally posted by melthebell
ok

*goes into a long spiel about stereotypes and local foods*

not really

just the stereotypical lancashire hotpot and yorkshire pudding delacasies (sic) thats how i regionalise people, if your from yorkshire your a pudding, if your from manchester your a hot pot

and if your from east london your a jellied eel?

:) Now, do you know what they would call someone from Idaho as a term of endearment? It would have to be a POTATO!

Originally posted by tulip
Now, do you know what they would call someone from Idaho as a term of endearment? It would have to be a POTATO!

HAHA

good job your not really from there then :P

mrs potato head

:oops:

Originally posted by melthebell
HAHA

good job your not really from there then :P

mrs potato head

:oops: God, isn't it just - I'd be Mashed Get Smashed by now the way I upset everyone:)

When you read something that you have just typed and you've made it light-hearted then that is how you'd read it.
However some-one else reading it might get hold of the wrong end of the stick or simply not understand that you are jesting.
I know this has happened with some of my comments and if some-one responds negatively in the public arena then I will apologise and try to set the record straight. I've had I think one PM where some-one had read something into my post that I hadn't meant and so I respomded by PM.
I've nothing against constructive arguement but if it degenerates into name calling them I'm off.

Originally posted by WallBuilder
When you read something that you have just typed and you've made it light-hearted then that is how you'd read it.
However some-one else reading it might get hold of the wrong end of the stick or simply not understand that you are jesting.
I know this has happened with some of my comments and if some-one responds negatively in the public arena then I will apologise and try to set the record straight. I've had I think one PM where some-one had read something into my post that I hadn't meant and so I respomded by PM.
I've nothing against constructive arguement but if it degenerates into name calling them I'm off. How do handle it if someone provokes you? I suppose you will say 'ignore it'? I think I'm learning!:)

If someone tried to provoke me they'd have to get through my VERY thick skin and I'm usually able to hold my own in a cut and thrust debate. If some-one tried to be openly abusive I'd send them a private message asking why and please stop, if that failed and they continued I'd report it to a Mod.

Originally posted by WallBuilder
If someone tried to provoke me they'd have to get through my VERY thick skin and I'm usually able to hold my own in a cut and thrust debate. If some-one tried to be openly abusive I'd send them a private message asking why and please stop, if that failed and they continued I'd report it to a Mod. Yes, that seems sensible to me but some people take a debate as a personal attack if you don't agree with them. I wouldn't feel right reporeting someone for having a passionate opinion even if they was being a bit offensive but if they started giving me hard time I might think about it.

I love your dog avatar - I have three black labs!

Why do Lancastrians have 3 eyes and so what about the battle of the roses.

Who won at cricket last Yorkshire or Lancashire.

just like to say, glad to see my richard whitely post got deleted just because "some" people didnt see it the same way as me ....VIVA FREESPEECH........thats another reason for personality clashes ..............difference of opinions, and BOTh should be just as valid?
not just the nice, flowers in the park side?

Originally posted by melthebell
just like to say, glad to see my richard whitely post got deleted just because "some" people didnt see it the same way as me ....VIVA FREESPEECH........thats another reason for personality clashes ..............difference of opinions, and BOTh should be just as valid?
not just the nice, flowers in the park side?

Mel,

I saw the 'joke' you made, and also the number of people who complained about it. It simply wasn't suitable for a forum with policies such as this one.

Please see the quote below from the SF rules page which should clear a few things up.

Originally posted by Geoff
Introduction, "Censorship" & Freedom of Speech
When you write to the letters page of a national paper, the editor reserves the right not to publish it. This right is executed prior to the newspaper's publication for obvious reasons. In addition, the editor doesn't list all the letters he/she didn't publish, nor do they justify their reasons. After all, it's their publication and therefore their right to refuse publication if they so choose. If the editor doesn't print your letter, the average person doesn't cry "freedom of speech" and the same applies here. All views (within the terms of use guidelines) are welcomed but you must respect our rules, procedures and editorial rights.

On a web site such as SheffieldForum, the right to refuse publication of a "letter" is executed after it appears on the site. We could of course check all posts before they appear, but generally the system of post publication moderation is more practical and popular.

I hope this makes things clearer. At the end of the day, you have no more an automatic "right" to use this forum than you do any other private enterprise, such as a newspaper, nightclub, shop, etc. However, having said all of that, my email box is always open to hear your objections and questions regarding any decision made on the site.

Arguably this forum is as popular as it is because people reading the threads aren't confronted by abusive slagging matches (coz the mods remove them ;) )

There are forums that do allow this, but this one is more popular :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Kristian
Mel,

I saw the 'joke' you made, and also the number of people who complained about it. It simply wasn't suitable for a forum with policies such as this one.

Please see the quote below from the SF rules page which should clear a few things up.

the bit i saw..................was 3 people against, 3 people for .....the pic .................then i got abused personally .argued a bit, then stopped, then went to bed ........and obviously not seen what went on after.........tbh i dont see whats so offensive about a pic saying snuffed it ...........which is another word for dead.........when you can say dead..................and set in the way hes famous for ...countdown? which has always had daft words / jokes / mistakes after it ..............now im not trying to start an arguement about it, just wanted to explain my side WITHOUT messing up the nice tribute thread :)
the thing is ive also posted the exact same link on 2 retro game forums and had the precise posts against it of .............zero
i just think some people see something, blind emotion and gut feeling take over, they slag it off imediately and try to sweep the darker side under the carpet ..........that is all captain

*slopes off to his sick, disgusting, offensive lair again*

Mel, unless you're a mod, you can't read the 'report this post's, so you have no idea how many people objected or why.

Originally posted by Strix
Mel, unless you're a mod, you can't read the 'report this post's, so you have no idea how many people objected or why.

i was on about the people who posted in the thread .im not gonna get into a tennis match about scores.........just wanted to point out there was more than me that found it amusing ..........yes prolly those of us who have a darker sense of humour but thats just as valid as those who are more sensitive to such things

It's a classic example of the point I was trying to get across. people misunderstand your intentions. If you enter into a debate with someone who is angry with you because of something you said previously then both of you are on the defensive and the whole thing turns ugly:)

Hmmmm tricky one this.

I'm more than comfortable and confident enough to state my case and defend my position - or change it if there is sufficient reason to do so.

It's difficult to sometimes get across 'humour' or 'irony' when we are posting on forums such as this.

Sometimes what people say is in bad taste because of the timing as much as anything.

I think any misunderstandings should be sorted out via PM rather than having 'slagging matches' on the open forum.

It's extremely rare that I get offended by anyone else's posting, but there are occasions when I do. If I do get upset it's usually because of a particularly insensitive post or a personal attack on myself or other forummer.

We all have our opinions and views which will differ to other people and that is what makes life so interesting and we can learn an awful lot by listening to the views of others.

As in life, there will be some people who see things so differently to us that it makes it difficult to form any sort of relationship, but I do think it is sad when we can't all just agree to disagree and get on with it.

Theres also the fact that we have nearly 14 thousand members on here - your bound to find some people in there you don't get on with!

Originally posted by melthebell
i was on about the people who posted in the thread .im not gonna get into a tennis match about scores.........just wanted to point out there was more than me that found it amusing ..........yes prolly those of us who have a darker sense of humour but thats just as valid as those who are more sensitive to such things

I think the bottom line on this one is that as Moderators we have to bear in mind the feelings of 14,000 readers of the forum.

What might be acceptable a week after an event is not always acceptable within a couple of hours of an event.

One can have and excercise a dark sense of humour here, but occasionally we will act as 'good taste' filters in the immdeiate aftermath of a news event. And if people comment or report on a posting, then we'll act on it.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
I think the bottom line on this one is that as Moderators we have to bear in mind the feelings of 14,000 readers of the forum.

What might be acceptable a week after an event is not always acceptable within a couple of hours of an event.

One can have and excercise a dark sense of humour here, but occasionally we will act as 'good taste' filters in the immdeiate aftermath of a news event. And if people comment or report on a posting, then we'll act on it.

Joe You see, people are getting so wound up on the thread about illegal immigrants everyone thinks they are being accused of being a racist by everyone else! Edited out unfair comment about royjames. I'm accusing him of exactly what people are accusing me of, causing trouble for no reason. I don't like it so I'm sure roy wouldn't either. Sorry, I've become too wound up and lost my perspective.

A lot of people think every post is directed at them personally so they are not reading the whole thread anymore. It's becoming 'WW3'! I've edited out unfair comment about royjames because I was in the wrong. I didn't do it to make myself look better. You will read what I said where other people have quoted my silly remarks, I'm not trying to cover anything up.

oh hardly, this is childsplay. You ever read a BNP thread? :D

Originally posted by robbie
oh hardly, this is childsplay. You ever read a BNP thread? :D I've removed my quote because it was petty and unfair to the person I mentioned - royjames, my comment was uncalled for. I was fooling around and the post looked terrible in the cold light of day:thumbsup:

i have read this thread from start to finish,(i hope) and to be quite honest tulip i think you should get a life and stop stirring the **** and getting people on the forum wound up.

Originally posted by tulip
You see, people are getting so wound up on the thread about illegal immigrants everyone thinks they are being accused of being a racist by everyone else! I think the thread was started to cause a war in the first place, I can't imagine a certain person called Roy--- can be so closed minded!

A lot of people think every post is directed at them personally so they are not reading the whole thread anymore. It's becoming 'WW3'!

tulip, might I ask why I'm being quoted?

Nothing in my statement there referred to the thred on immigration. Now whilst it's true I have posted on that thread, I fail to see why I'm being quoted here.

Like all writers, I like seeing my name and words quoted, but I'm just curious. :)

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
tulip, might I ask why I'm being quoted?

Nothing in my statement there referred to the thred on immigration. Now whilst it's true I have posted on that thread, I fail to see why I'm being quoted here.

Like all writers, I like seeing my name and words quoted, but I'm just curious. :)

Joe Oh, sorry to confuse you, I know you add to a lot of the discussions and I should have gone back to your earlier posting about how people should report offensive post and not start threads to wind each other up. :) I was accused of starting this thread to wind someone up & it wasn't true - I'm more than a bit obsessive and I'm still trying to prove my innocence:loopy: (that's me!)

I thought your posts on the racial issues were well written and thought about properly rather than condemning everyone, thats all!

Yeah Joe, particularly as I think you were talking about the Richard Whitely thread!

Originally posted by Hels
Yeah Joe, particularly as I think you were talking about the Richard Whitely thread! Now I'M confused! It wasn't an attack on Joe! It had nothing to with Richard Whitely either. Like I said, I should have gone back to his early posting - it was a mistake on my part:)

Originally posted by roughy101
i have read this thread from start to finish,(i hope) and to be quite honest tulip i think you should get a life and stop stirring the **** and getting people on the forum wound up. Please tell me how I'm winding you up? What did I say that indicates I need to get a life and stop winding people up? If having an opinion is winding people up then there would be no point in anyone leaving any posts at all. I have read this from start to finish too and I really can't see how you have come to this conclussion. Have you read any of the threads about racism for e.g.? I think your comments toward me are totally un-called for.:|

Originally posted by tulip
Oh, sorry to confuse you, I know you add to a lot of the discussions and I should have gone back to you earlier posting about how people should report offensive post and not start threads to wind each other up. :) I was accused of starting this thread to wind someone up & it wasn't true - I'm more than a bit obsessive and I'm still trying to prove my innocence:loopy: (that's me!)

I thought your posts on the racial issues were well written and thought about properly rather than condemning everyone, thats all!

Let's be accurate....I contribute a hell of a lot of good stuff to a hell of a lot of threads.

And I'm modest. ;)

Joe :D

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Let's be accurate....I contribute a hell of a lot of good stuff to a hell of a lot of threads.

And I'm modest. ;)

Joe :D Yes, sorry, I forgot to mention ALL your invaluable contributions and your great modesty. I will try harder to get it right in future:D ;)

It's because people have diffrent opinions on whats being disscused but also its hard to tell what sort of way someone means something through words...If you're talking to someone face to face you know if there being serious or just having a laugh by there face/hand gestures and tone of voice.

Originally posted by foxy027
It's because people have diffrent opinions on whats being disscused but also its hard to tell what sort of way someone means something through words...If you're talking to someone face to face you know if there being serious or just having a laugh by there face/hand gestures and tone of voice. Yes, I know but I very rarely take offence to anyones posts and I can ignore them if I want to. Have you noticed how a few people on this thread have accused me of just putting it on here to wind them up? I have retaliated if someone has said something directly to me that is insulting or unjust & I've put forward my opinion on topics that I felt strongly about but I haven't diliberately been nasty to someone for no reason. If someone was nasty to me first and it was personal of course I'd respond, I think most people would:)

Thing is Tulip, given the number of people on this forum there will often be someone who does not agree with you. If they respond giving their opinion - fine.

If they respond and you feel you are being singled out or personally attacked or whatever - take it to PM and sort it out that way.

I've only ever had to do that on two occassions and on both it turned out that there was a genuine mis-understanding of the other's viewpoint.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and each of us should air our views without directing it at an individual. Sometimes how we 'say things' in our head, does not come out right when it's written down (I know i'm guilty of that) and I know plenty of other people who would agree.

If there is a posting that you feel is a personal or abusive attack on you - report it to the mods, that's what the facility is there for.

Now I suggest we all move on and lets have a really good debate on a much more interesting topic .... :thumbsup:

Thank-you Hels. I take your point. I wouldn't really report someone for having a go at me or even saying something vulgar (it happens occasionally). I will keep responding to people who reply to the thread but not for any sinister reasons. Also a lot of people probably don't like getting pm's, thats why I didn't send you a pm and replied to you in this thread. :)

Originally posted by tulip
No, and I'd rather not thank-you Robbie! You cannot argue with people who are of that frame of mind. It's like roywhatshisface has disappeared now because he has no VALID argument for what he's saying - probabley gone to have his swastika tattoo redone! I hope so, then we can tell him the swastika symbol was origionally a Native American design that implied no racism what so ever:D The Nazi's just pinched it. Just like our Union Flag was taken over by the National Front to be used as a stmbol of racism, so sad:(

I have a feeling that you are a bit young to remember Enoch Powell who Royblahblah is quoting but obviously you would have heard about him. Anyone who wants to quote old Enoch isn't worth the time of day:rant:

Might I remind you tulip of what you stated when you started this thread......
Originally posted by tulip

I'm not an obnoxious person and I don't have this trouble with people who I meet personally. I don't have an 'I speak my mind even if you don't want to hear the truth' attitude, It's not my style but I will stand up for myself in an argument. Advice please - I'm not over sensitive

The poster you are referring to is royjames. His name is not "roywhathisface", or "Royblahblah". For the record, how do you know that he has "gone to have his swastika tattoo redone"?

I too regard Roy's views on race issues as odious, and never cease to challenge him, but I happen to respect his right to hold his views and to air them on the forum.

I believe that you lose credibility, and undermine the validity of your arguments, when you descend into name calling and personal abuse. Cheap shots, and, despite your claims to the contrary, obnoxious.

So, here is my advice...... avoid the name calling and the personal abuse. It may be tempting, but try and resist it. You'll be a much more effective contributor to the forum for it, and maybe you'll avoid some of the stick that you seem to be implying that you attract.

Red

Originally posted by redrobbo
Might I remind you tulip of what you stated when you started this thread......


The poster you are referring to is royjames. His name is not "roywhathisface", or "Royblahblah". For the record, how do you know that he has "gone to have his swastika tattoo redone"?

I too regard Roy's views on race issues as odious, and never cease to challenge him, but I happen to respect his right to hold his views and to air them on the forum.

I believe that you lose credibility, and undermine the validity of your arguments, when you descend into name calling and personal abuse. Cheap shots, and, despite your claims to the contrary, obnoxious.

So, here is my advice...... avoid the name calling and the personal abuse. It may be tempting, but try and resist it. You'll be a much more effective contributor to the forum for it, and maybe you'll avoid some of the stick that you seem to be implying that you attract.

Red But I do find racism personally insulting and royjames holds racist views. Of cause people are allowed their own opinions but I'm sure racism cannot be classified as an opinion, if I start a thread about that I will be accused of inciting people, this is what I'm saying is unfair. I don't really think what I said was name calling. I hope you have read all the posts on Royjames' thread about illegal immigrants a lot of his posts are racist, is that not against forum rules anyway? Also he is upsetting a lot of people. The swastika was an off the cuff comment. I didn't say HE was a member of the NF, I stated the NF have used the Union Flag as a symbol of racism, am I wrong? Why does being offended by racism make me obnoxious? I'm sorry, if thats obnoxious then I'm happy to be classified as such. When I started this thread is was about people being upset by certain posts and maybe I have totally offended RoyJames, if so I'm not the only one. I was annoyed that he implied anybody who wasn't of the same opinion as him was stupid - are you happy to be called stupid? I certainly haven't called anyone stupid. I'm sure someone will find one of my posts now where I have said exactly that in which case I will leave you all in peace and unregister myself on the forum because I'm now starting to believe that I have a split personality and I'm actually not the person I thought I was, I'm an unfriendly, obnoxious, insulting bitch and I feel ..... :loopy:

I'm now going to get in trouble from the moderators for not sending you a pm that you didn't want to receive!:shakes:

tulip,

Before I start....this isn't in a 'Moderator' capacity - this is me talking as user JoePritchard.

Please don't stir these things up. There are times when debates can get heated but to be frank you do tend to turn the temperature up a little in threads like this. Just be civilised - I may find the views of certain forum users different to me, and may not like those views, but they have a right to them. Argue with them, ignore them, but once you get in to personal insults and slanging matches then you've lost your arguments anyway.

And those of us who've been around the Forum for a while have read ALL of Roy's views. And as redrobbo is something of a 'political animal' I am VERY sure that he is aware of them, more than most.

People on this forum are, on the whole, pretty tolerant to a wide range of views and behaviours. But start messing around and nit-picking with people and you will become rather unpopular with other users. And please don't try to generate sympathy by telling us that you're leaving the forum and you're not teh person you think you were; that's a decision that is purely yours, and on the whoile people here judge a personlaity by what that person says here, not what they say they are like.

And be careful when taking the Moderators in vain - just the mention of a Mod is usually enough to make one appear. As I said, I'm speaking here as a private citizen, not a Moderator; if you have issues with me feel free to report this posting.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
tulip,

Before I start....this isn't in a 'Moderator' capacity - this is me talking as user JoePritchard.

Please don't stir these things up. There are times when debates can get heated but to be frank you do tend to turn the temperature up a little in threads like this. Just be civilised - I may find the views of certain forum users different to me, and may not like those views, but they have a right to them. Argue with them, ignore them, but once you get in to personal insults and slanging matches then you've lost your arguments anyway.

And those of us who've been around the Forum for a while have read ALL of Roy's views. And as redrobbo is something of a 'political animal' I am VERY sure that he is aware of them, more than most.

People on this forum are, on the whole, pretty tolerant to a wide range of views and behaviours. But start messing around and nit-picking with people and you will become rather unpopular with other users. And please don't try to generate sympathy by telling us that you're leaving the forum and you're not teh person you think you were; that's a decision that is purely yours, and on the whoile people here judge a personlaity by what that person says here, not what they say they are like.

And be careful when taking the Moderators in vain - just the mention of a Mod is usually enough to make one appear. As I said, I'm speaking here as a private citizen, not a Moderator; if you have issues with me feel free to report this posting.

Joe I don't have an issue with you or want to you
report you. I'm not trying to gain sympathy either. I read a lot of stuff that is intended to stir people up, race issues will do it every time. I thought this thread was mild in comparison. As far as I can tell, I didn't insult redrobbo or you. I called myself (loopy) people use that against other people a lot as I'm sure you've noticed. I didn't realise that mentioning your job capacity on the forum automatically signalled you and your colleagues, that could be classified as causing trouble and stirring things up.

I am aware people have a right to an opinion and so do I. You say people are wound up by threads like this, they too can ignore me and not respond:confused: Far from being a wind up artist I think I've stuck a bullseye target on me and my threads. I'm not blaming anyone but myself for that. A lot of people have responded to this thread - I didn't twist their arms up their back.

Talking to you as a private citizen and not your in official capacity. You have read a lot of threads about a lot of topics, surely you have noticed some real personal insults and slanging matches that go on for pages!

My attention is drawn to people who respond to my posts, isn't that normal?

Originally posted by tulip
[I didn't insult redrobbo or you. I called myself (loopy) people use that against other people a lot as I'm sure you've noticed. I didn't ... [/B]

Joe and RR are good people, IMO.

As is BG, the other user that you seemed to be ''digging'' at.

Furthermore, threads like these will just rile the person(s) that you are trying to get at.

I think you'd best stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

:)

I am not having a dig at any of those people! Don't be paranoid for other users, you might cause them to think this is all about me having a go at them. :)

I don't think I can dig in any deeper.

Originally posted by tulip
I am not having a dig at any of those people! Don't be paranoid for other users, you might cause them to think this is all about me having a go at them. :)

I don't think I can dig in any deeper.

My dear tulip. It's ALWAYS possible to dig deeper! Trust me, I know about these things....:suspect:

I've PM'd you. Without asking first!

:thumbsup:

THANK - YOU SHsheff, I love pm's:) It is very, very dark down here I think I will come out of this hole now - or at least try to;)

At the end of the day this forum is like real life,you will find some you cant abide,I have a couple on here who really pi** me off.
And I think because of my politics I get my fair share of abuse,but to be honest its like water off a ducks back,who cares,I dont.
Like the saying goes,if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen?;)

SHSheff holds tulip's spade and gives her a brush down after she's wriggled out of the hole :D

Originally posted by royjames
At the end of the day this forum is like real life,you will find some you cant abide,I have a couple on here who really pi** me off.
And I think because of my politics I get my fair share of abuse,but to be honest its like water off a ducks back,who cares,I dont.
Like the saying goes,if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen?;) Yes, politics will always get people fired up. If you have very strong political views and air them on a forum, you can't be sensitive and 'girly' like me. Once again sorry for my silly comments earlier - I really didn't mean to be so petty. I might not agree with your views but you aren't ashamed of having them and believe in yourself that's to be admired. I admired Margaret Thatcher in the same way - she stuck by what she believed in whether it made her popular or not - I never would have voted for her though!:D

Originally posted by SHsheff
SHSheff holds tulip's spade and gives her a brush down after she's wriggled out of the hole :D Thanks Shsheff! I'm out of breath now (everyone will be pleased to know!):D

Hi Tulip,its ok no probs,like you said politics can cause a little interest to say the least:hihi:
I enjoy the debates on here ,I have to admit it.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
Hi Tulip,its ok no probs,like you said politics can cause a little interest to say the least:hihi:
I enjoy the debates on here ,I have to admit it.:thumbsup: I'm glad you injoy the debates. I could do with a little thicker skin myself. A psychatrist would say that my wanting to be liked was an 'insecurity' problem, I don't see a psychiatrist - too affraid of being locked up:D

Originally posted by tulip
Thanks Shsheff! I'm out of breath now (everyone will be pleased to know!):D does that mean you are going to get lost,or shut up.

Originally posted by roughy101
does that mean you are going to get lost,or shut up.

Was it really necessary to say that?

Sierra

I for one think tulip is ok so we dont need people making nasty remarks to her.
Keep it going girl.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
I for one think tulip is ok so we dont need people making nasty remarks to her.
Keep it going girl.:thumbsup:
*agrees*

Originally posted by tulip
. I didn't realise that mentioning your job capacity on the forum automatically signalled you and your colleagues, that could be classified as causing trouble and stirring things up.


Ummm.....that comment of mine was intended as a joke?

You know, humorous asides and all that? I was foolish though in that I didn't add a smiley, so that's my fault. :)

Seriously, you can sometimes come over as quite agressive towards people. If you do that, sometimes, people are going to react to that.

All I am saying is that if you come over to people as stirring it up, then expect people to react.

Joe

i havent found her aggressive............apart from replying to others in arguements :P

Originally posted by melthebell
i havent found her aggressive............apart from replying to others in arguements :P

But some people have done, melthebell.

Half the problem online is that everybody takes things in different ways. I could make a comment to one user that would be ignored, whilst another user would be incensed by it.

It's a difficult one - the lack of body language cues and such does make computer mediated communication potentially hard!

Joe

Thankyou for the support. I don't mean to be aggressive. It's just comments like 'shut up and go away' do make me angry - Its worse if someone says something nasty then edits it out, then I end up looking really bad and argumentive for no reason. I have received some nice pm's, and realise I have to ignore any personal digs at me in threads - but its not easy! I don't think other people find it easy either


Joe, I thought you were being serious about the (still dubious about saying it:) ) moderators appearing when you mentioned them because It sounded logical! I thought it was a clever system where certain key words alerted you. I feel a bit silly about it but it is funny:D I thought the same thing happened when people swore, that it got x'd out automatically.

Thank's for all the nice pm's everyone:thumbsup:

tulip. I've waded through this entire thread and rather than dealing with personality clashes on the forum in general, it appears to have more to do with your own deep-seated insecurity.

I suspect you go through life questioning everyone's motives for everything they say and do insofar as it relates to you.

This post will probably upset you even more, but I hope not... ;)

Originally posted by mojoworking
tulip. I've waded through this entire thread and rather than dealing with personality clashes on the forum in general, it appears to have more to do with your own deep-seated insecurity.

I suspect you go through life questioning everyone's motives for everything they say and do insofar as it relates to you.

This post will probably upset you even more, but I hope not... ;) Nope, I'm not upset by your comments:) People kept saying personal stuff to me so I responded. It doesn't look good, like its all me, me, me. I assumed people would respond with their own experiences. It was a bad idea in the first place because now I look terribly defensive and easy to upset. It's not the case.

If you noticed a few people thought it was a personal attack on them, a few others accused me of putting the thread on here to wind certain people up and I didn't want to send univited pm's to those people so I tried to defend myself! Very big mistake on my part.

I said in response to a few people that I wasn't trying cause trouble or annoy people. I wish people would have responded with their personal clashes, it happens a lot :)

Originally posted by tulip

I've have decided the only thing I can do is look at funny threads and not respond directly in quote form or respond to anything anyone has previously posted. I will have to rely on people who send ME pm's.



I was reading an exchange of posts on another thread (which included tulip), and returned to this thread to check out what tulip said she was going to do.

tulip is still responding in direct quotes, and she's still responding "to anything anyone has previously posted". (I shouldn't be surprised really, because after she made this promise to herself, the majority of her subsequent posts on this thread broke her self-imposed rule). tulip is also not sticking to her decision to only look at funny threads.

Is this a case of short-term memory loss, or wasn't tulip serious in the first place?

Given that tulip is completely disregarding her own decisions, I don't suppose that there is any chance of tulip addressing her irritating habit of not sticking to the subject on the thread? tulip goes off on a tangent - which so quickly destroys the flow of a thread. But after numerous posters manage to pick up the thread again, back comes tulip on the same tangent, with yet another direct quote, completely disregarding the subject under discussion.
Originally posted by tulip

Advice please - I'm not over sensitive!


Well, try sticking to the subject under discussion, instead of going off at tangents, oh......and don't make decisions about your style of posting that you clearly can't keep.

Ooh, look! Another post that proves Deejay's theory :(

Originally posted by redrobbo
I was reading an exchange of posts on another thread (which included tulip), and returned to this thread to check out what tulip said she was going to do.

tulip is still responding in direct quotes, and she's still responding "to anything anyone has previously posted". (I shouldn't be surprised really, because after she made this promise to herself, the majority of her subsequent posts on this thread broke her self-imposed rule). tulip is also not sticking to her decision to only look at funny threads.

Is this a case of short-term memory loss, or wasn't tulip serious in the first place?

Given that tulip is completely disregarding her own decisions, I don't suppose that there is any chance of tulip addressing her irritating habit of not sticking to the subject on the thread? tulip goes off on a tangent - which so quickly destroys the flow of a thread. But after numerous posters manage to pick up the thread again, back comes tulip on the same tangent, with yet another direct quote, completely disregarding the subject under discussion.


Well, try sticking to the subject under discussion, instead of going off at tangents, oh......and don't make decisions about your style of posting that you clearly can't keep. No, you are totally right, I couldn't keep that promise! BUT please give me some credit. I don't go off topic unless someone has a go at me. It is very difficult not to answer a personal attack isn't it? I notice you react all the time. I don't call people names either, unless you count saying 'whatshisface' name calling? I really couldn't remember his full name and I apologised! I know what the problem is, if you just read the last posting and not the previous ones it's off topic, look above and see who went off topic first.

I previously said that I wouldn't send uninvited pm's and I have to reply somehow otherwise it would drive me mad. I wouldn't put up with character asassination in real life, why should I on here?

Funnily enough, everyone in real life knows me as I really am and I don't need to defend myself.

This apparently is the most boring thread ever so why on earth do people keep responding to it?

Originally posted by Strix
Ooh, look! Another post that proves Deejay's theory :( I must have missed something:D

Originally posted by tulip
I must have missed something:D

Going off topic already! I don't know what Strix is on about either - so send her a PM and enquire - don't post and go off on a tangent! :headbang:

Originally posted by redrobbo
Going off topic already! I don't know what Strix is on about either - so send her a PM and enquire - don't post and go off on a tangent! :headbang: Exactly you are doing just what I said. Argumentative for no reason at all! I don't know what strix is talking about so I responded:confused: why is that off topic? I'm not going to send her a pm because she might not want to get into a personal conversation. I don't care what I said, if people are going to have a go at me I will respond like any normal human being.

:roll: More of the same :roll:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49987 :hihi:

Originally posted by tulip
Exactly you are doing just what I said. Argumentative for no reason at all! I don't know what strix is talking about so I responded:confused: why is that off topic? I'm not going to send her a pm because she might not want to get into a personal conversation. I don't care what I said, if people are going to have a go at me I will respond like any normal human being.

You take the biscuit on this one tulip!

The topic of this thread - which you started - is "Personality clashes, why do they happen on SF?".

Gently I tried to point out that going off topic is irritating, destroys the flow of a thread, and that, in my opinion, you have a habit of doing this. You started this thread asking for advice. I've just offered some, i.e., stick to the subject, and don't go off on a tangent.

You replied, and clearly stated Originally posted by tulip
"I don't go off topic unless someone has a go at me.

Your next post immediately goes off topic, i.e., a response to Strix which, please note, does not add to the debate. I post to point out you have gone off topic, and your response is an amazing rant in which you accuse me of being "Argumentative for no reason at all"! This really is amazing!

Why are you so touchy? I wasn't having a go at you. Have you so quickly forgotten your original post? Let me remind you what you stated........Originally posted by tulip
Advice please - I'm not over sensitive! [/B]

So, something else you appear to have quickly forgotten then! And as for this statement.....
Originally posted by tulip
I'm not going to send her a pm because she might not want to get into a personal conversation. [/B]

........well, in which case, you are never going to use your PM facility are you? IMO, this reply is too silly for words. You were earlier offered this advice by a Mod -
Originally posted by JoeP
With PMs, if someone who you dislike PMs you then simply bin it. If they PM again and you don't feel up to answering for any reason, let one of the Admin Team know and we'll politely ask the other user to desist. I've done this on numerous occasions.
[/B]

It does apply in reverse. If you PM someone who doesn't want to talk to you, they'll bin it. Simple as that.

And now, to address your original question - personality clashes, why do they happen on SF? Could it be that sometimes it's because posters see argumentative viewpoints that simply don't exist? Could it be that sometimes posters claim not to be over sensitive, when in reality they are oh so touchy at the slightest perception of criticism? Could it be that sometimes posters just go off at tangents and ruin the flow of debate, but simply appear unable to recognise this habit, let alone desist from it? Could it be that posters make claims on how they will behave, when in reality they are not only deceiving themselves, but other readers too?

Lastly, as you have again returned to the theme of what people in real life think you are like......I think it worthwhile repeating the advice a Mod gave you earlier (though it is something else you appear to have ignored)
Originally posted by JoeP
Please don't stir these things up. There are times when debates can get heated but to be frank you do tend to turn the temperature up a little in threads like this. Just be civilised - I may find the views of certain forum users different to me, and may not like those views, but they have a right to them. Argue with them, ignore them, but once you get in to personal insults and slanging matches then you've lost your arguments anyway.

People on this forum are, on the whole, pretty tolerant to a wide range of views and behaviours. But start messing around and nit-picking with people and you will become rather unpopular with other users. And please don't try to generate sympathy by telling us that you're leaving the forum and you're not teh person you think you were; that's a decision that is purely yours, and on the whoile people here judge a personlaity by what that person says here, not what they say they are like.[/B]

I hope you might still listen, and act, on this advice tulip, even though your record to date doesn't bode well. But, if you genuinely give it a try - here's wishing you Good Luck :thumbsup:

Originally posted by redrobbo
a response to Strix which, please note, does not add to the debate. It was a gentle prod to let you guys know this is a little unnecessary ;)

Originally posted by redrobbo
You take the biscuit on this one tulip!

The topic of this thread - which you started - is "Personality clashes, why do they happen on SF?".

Gently I tried to point out that going off topic is irritating, destroys the flow of a thread, and that, in my opinion, you have a habit of doing this. You started this thread asking for advice. I've just offered some, i.e., stick to the subject, and don't go off on a tangent.

You replied, and clearly stated

Your next post immediately goes off topic, i.e., a response to Strix which, please note, does not add to the debate. I post to point out you have gone off topic, and your response is an amazing rant in which you accuse me of being "Argumentative for no reason at all"! This really is amazing!

Why are you so touchy? I wasn't having a go at you. Have you so quickly forgotten your original post? Let me remind you what you stated........

So, something else you appear to have quickly forgotten then! And as for this statement.....


........well, in which case, you are never going to use your PM facility are you? IMO, this reply is too silly for words. You were earlier offered this advice by a Mod -


It does apply in reverse. If you PM someone who doesn't want to talk to you, they'll bin it. Simple as that.

And now, to address your original question - personality clashes, why do they happen on SF? Could it be that sometimes it's because posters see argumentative viewpoints that simply don't exist? Could it be that sometimes posters claim not to be over sensitive, when in reality they are oh so touchy at the slightest perception of criticism? Could it be that sometimes posters just go off at tangents and ruin the flow of debate, but simply appear unable to recognise this habit, let alone desist from it? Could it be that posters make claims on how they will behave, when in reality they are not only deceiving themselves, but other readers too?

Lastly, as you have again returned to the theme of what people in real life think you are like......I think it worthwhile repeating the advice a Mod gave you earlier (though it is something else you appear to have ignored)


I hope you might still listen, and act, on this advice tulip, even though your record to date doesn't bode well. But, if you genuinely give it a try - here's wishing you Good Luck :thumbsup: Strix is right, it's unecessary. Replying to someones posts makes a person 'touchy' not being 'nit picking' 'deceiving other uses'. Do you ever take your own advice?

I don't have a problem with you but you do seem to like pulling my threads/posts to pieces for some reason.

I seem to remember getting an ear bashing from you on quite a few threads - even the Londoning bombing thread
:confused:

If I put a serious post on here you contradict it, a joking thread you take out of context and you have resurrected this thread that you think is stupid:confused: :confused:

I don't send people uninvited pm's! I did not say I don't pm people, I do, if they pm me first.

Calling me touchy, then saying I had and amazing rant? Best one yet. I replied to your post, thats all. You make my head spin, I'm too dizzy to be touchy, oversensitive, rant, be aggressive, argumentative and offensive after all that :o

What on earth was the point of that, Tulip?

Well said, Red, btw!:thumbsup:

I really don't know what the point is. I'm waiting for someone to tell me:confused:

I was replying to posts left on here but something very strange is happing. I'm ranting and I don't know I'm doing it!

I didn't resurrect this thread, it came back to haunt me.

I was told by immigration in this country that I was an Alien. I think they might have meant it literally because a few people on Sheffield forum don't seem to understand the posts I'm leaving and just want to argue. I don't understand why this 'boring' thread has been resurrected - more proof of my 'alienism'

Sorry Anne I can't say what it's about because I don't understand it x

Originally posted by tulip
It seems to be way too easy for someone to take offence to something I say on here that's meant to be a joke or tongue in cheek comment. I've been accused of a few things by a couple of users. They are in the minority but disturbing never the less. Maybe it's me and no-one else has this problem. I'm not an obnoxious person and I don't have this trouble with people who I meet personally. I don't have an 'I speak my mind even if you don't want to hear the truth' attitude, It's not my style but I will stand up for myself in an argument. Advice please - I'm not over sensitive!:cool:

your not the only one tulip i have the same problem , personally i think some on here like to take offence at the slightest thing also i think sitting behind a desk gives them a chance to say things what if push comes to shove they wouldnt actually say face to face

Originally posted by panda79
your not the only one tulip i have the same problem , personally i think some on here like to take offence at the slightest thing also i think sitting behind a desk gives them a chance to say things what if push comes to shove they wouldnt actually say face to face I hope people don't chase after me and challenge me to my face. I'd feel like I was being chased by a lynch mob. It would be like something out of Benny Hill. Please every one who doesn't like me what ever your reasons are, keep your opinions on the forum:D

It seems to me tulip that you stir things up and don't want to take the flack.
Why say things if you only want people who agree with you to answer.
Why is it you that is always wronged.?

If you put a point up for discussion you must exoect it to be discussed, not always in your favour.

hazel

Originally posted by hazel
It seems to me tulip that you stir things up and don't want to take the flack.
Why say things if you only want people who agree with you to answer.
Why is it you that is always wronged.?

If you put a point up for discussion you must exoect it to be discussed, not always in your favour.

hazel What have I stirred up? When have I said that I only want people to agree with me?

Maybe some people don't have anything they want to get off their chest but some people do. A few people have talked about themselves on this thread, thankfully

You make me sound like someone who rings doorsbells and then runs away!:P

I don't feel like I'm always 'wronged' unless someone has a go for no reason that I can see.

I really would like more people to talk about their own clashes as Panda79 did earlier.:clap: