www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2277459.ece

just found this article.

i think West Ham would go into admin and take a ten point hit before paying that
10 points or £45 million ? 10 points anyday id say

i know i i owned West Ham thats what id do - they are running a business and arnt going to give that kind of money away if they can get round it

Good luck :rolleyes:

i think West Ham would go into admin and take a ten point hit before paying that
10 points or £45 million ? 10 points anyday id say

isn't it a 15 point hit?
even 10 would be bad.

isn't it a 15 point hit?

you may be right -but either way you can be sure they will go down that road- not half as damaging as 45m

you may be right -but either way you can be sure they will go down that road- not half as damaging as 45m

then either way they lose the money , 15pt deduction = relgation and loss of millions united would stil get something with football debts given priority.
Or pay up and stay in premiership. no brainer isn't it.

they will come to a deal for a lot less anyway.

isn't it a 15 point hit?
even 10 would be bad.
30 for Luton, but only 10 for Darlo ????

Pity that both the ref and a linesman you had last night, were both West Ham fans, wasn't it :suspect:

this should clarify things a bit.

www.news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7741859.stm

link not working sorry.

anyway it states football debts take priority over all others .

i think West Ham would go into admin and take a ten point hit before paying that
10 points or £45 million ? 10 points anyday id say

i know i i owned West Ham thats what id do - they are running a business and arnt going to give that kind of money away if they can get round it

Don't know where people are getting their facts from but a club can't just go into admin to avoid paying debts. If there were to go into admin they would be docked an INITIAL 10 points with further points to be deducted at a later date after an hearing. ie; Leeds United. If it was found that they had gone into admin to avoid paying depts no doubt the league would issue severe sanctions on the offending club, especially a club that has shown to be as dishonest as WHUFC. Any football depts would be taken into consideration first in the event of admin. This means the clubs assets such as players, ground and any other assets tied to the club would be subject to sale as I understand it.

they should have been docked points in the first place then united would not have gone down from the premiership !!

they should have been docked points in the first place then united would not have gone down from the premiership !!

they would have the year after :thumbsup:

Don't know where people are getting their facts from but a club can't just go into admin to avoid paying debts. If there were to go into admin they would be docked an INITIAL 10 points with further points to be deducted at a later date after an hearing. ie; Leeds United. If it was found that they had gone into admin to avoid paying depts no doubt the league would issue severe sanctions on the offending club, especially a club that has shown to be as dishonest as WHUFC. Any football depts would be taken into consideration first in the event of admin. This means the clubs assets such as players, ground and any other assets tied to the club would be subject to sale as I understand it.
You're joking aren't you? Look what happened last time they should have been docked points.

They'd avoid paying the compo by going into administration and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't get docked points for that. Theres no chance though that they'd get docked further points like Leeds did! You all know how bent the FA are with the totally unbiased Trevor Brooking making the decisions......... :suspect:

You're joking aren't you? Look what happened last time they should have been docked points.

They'd avoid paying the compo by going into administration and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't get docked points for that. Theres no chance though that they'd get docked further points like Leeds did! You all know how bent the FA are with the totally unbiased Trevor Brooking making the decisions......... :suspect:

exactly he point i made at start of this thread- they will aviod it by any way possible

Can anyone explain how the figure of £45 million was arrived at. Blades turnover for the season they were in the Prem was only £44.2 million and £32.1 million last season.

If McCabe is confident of getting £45 million why has he sanctioned selling the likes of Beattie?

Can anyone explain how the figure of £45 million was arrived at. Blades turnover for the season they were in the Prem was only £44.2 million and £32.1 million last season.

If McCabe is confident of getting £45 million why has he sanctioned selling the likes of Beattie?

ive no idea mate :huh:

Its easy really we win they appeal, they win we appeal it could go on for years and years and we have to trim our budget accordingly

Can anyone explain how the figure of £45 million was arrived at. Blades turnover for the season they were in the Prem was only £44.2 million and £32.1 million last season.

If McCabe is confident of getting £45 million why has he sanctioned selling the likes of Beattie?

I assume it's because the prize money the season after we went down went up significantly?

Knowing the way things tend to go, if we get more than a fiver and a bag of pick 'n' mix we'll be lucky...

As far as McCabe goes... he's no reason to have any confidence in the powers that be - after all, if the people in charge had dealt with this shambles properly at the time, we wouldn't still be talking about this fiasco...

I assume it's because the prize money the season after we went down went up significantly?



Not by owt like £30 million per side though.....................

S.U. will not get anything, otherwise the flood gates will be opened.

You're joking aren't you? Look what happened last time they should have been docked points.

They'd avoid paying the compo by going into administration and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't get docked points for that. Theres no chance though that they'd get docked further points like Leeds did! You all know how bent the FA are with the totally unbiased Trevor Brooking making the decisions......... :suspect:

Must agree they are as bent as you say Hawk but this case is so high profile now that the FAPL or the FA would have to do something to ensure cheaters don't prosper, twice that is! The press will crucify the FA if West Ham get away with it again, Brooking or no Brooking. Thats why no one at the FAPL have not made an official statement since the ruling by the hearing. They don't want to be seen more bent than they are being seen already. If thats possible:hihi:

exactly he point i made at start of this thread- they will aviod it by any way possible

Come on Mr Benn! You are obviously just a jealous Owl who doesn't want to see the Blades get anything so you will argue your case to suit you no matter what anyone says. How do you know what WHUFC will do? Are you on the board there or summat? An independant tribunal has found in United's favour. Now if we get a large compo payout then justice is done! At the most a 45 million loss for them. If WHUFC go into admin (as you say) then points will be docked, they will be relegated, they will lose in excess of 60 million plus half of their squad, as no doubt they have get out clauses in the case of relegation. Justice in this case will be done also, in my opinion.

If it's so easy to get out of debt by going into admin then why didn't Wednesday do it when their crowds were 16,000, their players were having to buy their own train tickets for away games and last but not least to get out of their reported 26-29 million debt?????

Anyone that nicks Binty's avatar is not to be trusted with anything !! never mind comment on football issues.... :rolleyes:

If it's so easy to get out of debt by going into admin then why didn't Wednesday do it when their crowds were 16,000, their players were having to buy their own train tickets for away games and last but not least to get out of their reported 26-29 million debt?????

One word :- Principles

If United deserved to be in the premiership, they would have won one of the other thirty-odd games that would have allowed them to stay up.

They weren't good enough over a full season.

If United get anything from this, the rest of the West Ham squad at the time may as well retire, as clearly their efforts through the season meant absolutely nothing, and WH were a one-player club.

United were nowhere near good enough to be in the Premiership. In fact, no South Yorkshire club is, even now (and I support one of them)

Its easy really we win they appeal, they win we appeal it could go on for years and years and we have to trim our budget accordingly

sound about right mate:hihi::hihi:

One word :- Principles

Is this the same priciples that Wednesday had when their players fixed an FA cup game years back or the principles that Wednesday showed when they sued their own fans or the principles they showed when they increased their season ticket prices to the highest in the area.
Yeah must agree with you scargill your club are a paragon of principles. Better watch what I say though or they may sue me!;)

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2277459.ece

just found this article.


i find it rather embarrasing that this is still be discussed

i find it rather embarrasing that this is still be discussed

i can see it draging on for years mate -just cant see how it will be resolved

Is this the same priciples that Wednesday had when their players fixed an FA cup game years back or the principles that Wednesday showed when they sued their own fans or the principles they showed when they increased their season ticket prices to the highest in the area.
Yeah must agree with you scargill your club are a paragon of principles. Better watch what I say though or they may sue me!;)

On point 1, individual players not club.

On point 2, I agree totaly wrong and a shot in the foot from board members that had no idea on public relations and are now gone.

On point 3, you pay your money or not it's your choice, not a brilliant decision but a transparent one.

But what Wednesday did not do was go into administration (bankrupt) and leave people unpaid for goods or services rendered, they took the pricipled way and continue to service the debt and pay off their creditors. So yes Lumberjack48 the difference is principles

On point 1, individual players not club.

On point 2, I agree totaly wrong and a shot in the foot from board members that had no idea on public relations and are now gone.

On point 3, you pay your money or not it's your choice, not a brilliant decision but a transparent one.

But what Wednesday did not do was go into administration (bankrupt) and leave people unpaid for goods or services rendered, they took the pricipled way and continue to service the debt and pay off their creditors. So yes Lumberjack48 the difference is principles

I never said wednesday went into bankrupcy. What I did say is don't give the impression that wednesday have principles when we all know all clubs are only interested in making money and not principles or fans.

At the risk of prolonging a debate that has no end, I would say that on point 1.....players are on the payrole of whatever club they play for and so are a representative of that club.

point 2.....you made my point for me and as I remember it only 2 members of the club hierachy have gone. Not exactly a clear out of the bad rubbish is it?

point 3.....I agree that you pay your money blah blah but that wasn't the debate, it was principles. Any club that creates an unfair pricing policy and doesn't reward their loyal fans has none. Weren't all wednesdayites complaining vehemently about this earlier in the season? Kind of backs up my argument Scargill, don't you think?


I will concede that your new chairman is a breath of fresh air though. All my Owl mates are a lot happier since he took over and it's showing in your gates innit. Brian Laws is a good bloke too! Top geezer!

If United deserved to be in the premiership, they would have won one of the other thirty-odd games that would have allowed them to stay up.

They weren't good enough over a full season.

If United get anything from this, the rest of the West Ham squad at the time may as well retire, as clearly their efforts through the season meant absolutely nothing, and WH were a one-player club.

United were nowhere near good enough to be in the Premiership. In fact, no South Yorkshire club is, even now (and I support one of them)

I think no one has replied to your post Moosey because you talk out of your bum. Its not about how us, wigan or west ham played, its about rules being broken! Even west ham fans were proclaiming tevez as their saviour at the time. I suppose west ham could counter sue on the grounds that we had many games to stay up so the fact that they broke several rules shouldn't count or we could just play one tater, two tater for it you mong

i can see it draging on for years mate -just cant see how it will be resolved
HARRY HILL ?????? :hihi:

I think no one has replied to your post Moosey because you talk out of your bum. Its not about how us, wigan or west ham played, its about rules being broken! Even west ham fans were proclaiming tevez as their saviour at the time. I suppose west ham could counter sue on the grounds that we had many games to stay up so the fact that they broke several rules shouldn't count or we could just play one tater, two tater for it you mong

How dare I have an opinion different to yours eh?! Terrible. I love how you resort to insults, rather than answer my point. Clearly a very intelligent person.

My point is United should not have even started the action because the causative link between the "offence" and the result is so thin as to be pointless.

United were relegated because they weren't good enough. Simple fact. The Tevez issue is a side issue and should not be a reason for a court case costing millions. The issue as to whether they are entitled to compensation should never have got this far.

And "mong" as an insult? Seriously? Are you 7?

I think no one has replied to your post Moosey because you talk out of your bum. Its not about how us, wigan or west ham played, its about rules being broken! Even west ham fans were proclaiming tevez as their saviour at the time. I suppose west ham could counter sue on the grounds that we had many games to stay up so the fact that they broke several rules shouldn't count or we could just play one tater, two tater for it you mong

The problem with how this has always been reported is that it's just sour grapes by United on going down... had that last Wigan game gone the other way and Wigan had perished, they would have done exactly the same as we did in taking on the cheats, and we would have supported them like their Chairman did us.... similarly if Fulham hadn't benefited from Liverpool's generous donation of 3 points to their relegation campaign, it would have been Fulham that'd taken action. The real way to punish cheats is by deducting points or relegation, not a drop in the ocean like the original fine.

Must be frustrating for the likes of Luton, Millers and Bournemouth fans to see their teams clobbered with points deductions for their misdemeanours by the Football League, and then Hammers get off effectively scot free... the sooner it's over the better though.

If it ever gets sorted, we'll probably pay all the money back to lawyers in fees...!

How dare I have an opinion different to yours eh?! Terrible. I love how you resort to insults, rather than answer my point. Clearly a very intelligent person.

My point is United should not have even started the action because the causative link between the "offence" and the result is so thin as to be pointless.

United were relegated because they weren't good enough. Simple fact. The Tevez issue is a side issue and should not be a reason for a court case costing millions. The issue as to whether they are entitled to compensation should never have got this far.

And "mong" as an insult? Seriously? Are you 7?


choose hoW eloquently you try to put it.
United do have a case and have proven it.
United went down because as stated in the case , tevez was worth at least three points for west ham that season, three points less for west ham would have meant relegation. FACT.

I'm a United fan. Steve Gerrard diving at Bramall Lane first game of that season cost Utd relegation as much as anything Tevez did. WH broke the rules - and later lied about conforming with the rules - but that didn't affect Utd's situation.

Kia Joorbachian wasn't interfering with selection policy and there's never been any intimation of matches being affected by the breach of rules.

Of course, I'd rather Utd get £30million plus.....but do they deserve it by any realistic standards?

I'm a United fan. Steve Gerrard diving at Bramall Lane first game of that season cost Utd relegation as much as anything Tevez did. WH broke the rules - and later lied about conforming with the rules - but that didn't affect Utd's situation

of course it did , who scored the goal at man utd on the last day of the season ?

of course it did , who scored the goal at man utd on the last day of the season ?

yes ,but who were 10 points clear of religation with a few games to go ?
the blades were totally out of the dogfight and had done the hard work -then blew it by losing that 10 point advantage. it should never have come down to the last day

yes ,but who were 10 points clear of religation with a few games to go ?
the blades were totally out of the dogfight and had done the hard work -then blew it by losing that 10 point advantage. it should never have come down to the last day

totally irrelevant to the point ,tevez was playing and should not have been.

of course it did , who scored the goal at man utd on the last day of the season ?

Who lost at home to Wigan on the last day of the season?

Did the fixture list favour the Blades by giving them home mid week games against Arsenal and Tottenham in December / January (without those 6 points - dead and buried)?

Why didn't the Blades bounce back last season (because the chairman - a good businessman - hasn't got a clue when it comes to football - hence Bryan Robson).

Who lost at home to Wigan on the last day of the season?

Did the fixture list favour the Blades by giving them home mid week games against Arsenal and Tottenham in December / January (without those 6 points - dead and buried)?

Why didn't the Blades bounce back last season (because the chairman - a good businessman - hasn't got a clue when it comes to football - hence Bryan Robson).

another irrelevant thread regarding the issue of wether tevez was worth three points to west ham, more qualified men than us have decided he was.

i just think this issue will run and run for a long time yet

another irrelevant thread regarding the issue of wether tevez was worth three points to west ham, more qualified men than us have decided he was.


strange how wendy fans say west ham were in the right. but everyone else in the country (apart west ham) say west ham should have been relegated.

i understand the wendys bitterness and envy if it was them i would say west ham were innocent would'nt make it right tho.:thumbsup:

all blades arnt we :thumbsup:

strange how wendy fans say west ham were in the right. but everyone else in the country (apart west ham) say west ham should have been relegated.

i understand the wendys bitterness and envy if it was them i would say west ham were innocent would'nt make it right tho.:thumbsup:

all blades arnt we :thumbsup:

well wendy are the club with the worst record in league history for players corruption and cheating. birds of a feather stick together.

well wendy are the club with the worst record in league history for players corruption and cheating. birds of a feather stick together.

yep suppose so mate. like my sig says they will never understand it.:thumbsup:

all blades arnt we.

United were nowhere near good enough to be in the Premiership. In fact, no South Yorkshire club is, even now (and I support one of them)

your right ,none of the local clubs are anywhere near good enough at present to play in the prem . in fact i think if any were to somehow get there in the next few years it would be a very painful 12 months and instant religation .

also, as ive said before the tevez saga will drag on and on and on ,

your right ,none of the local clubs are anywhere near good enough at present to play in the prem . in fact i think if any were to somehow get there in the next few years it would be a very painful 12 months and instant religation .

also, as ive said before the tevez saga will drag on and on and on ,

the 1st season in the Premier league for ANY team promoted, they have to hope that 3 of the current teams in the league play worse then them :thumbsup:

the 1st season in the Premier league for ANY team promoted, they have to hope that 3 of the current teams in the league play worse then them :thumbsup:

its getting harder and harder every year mate ,and i think the time is fast approaching where the 3 promoted teams don`t have a prayer of staying up .
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you only have to look at the amount of money spent by so called "small" premiership clubs just to survive -its frightening

yep its never easy ,thought hull had cracked it but they're looking a bit dodgy now ,spent 5m on a player thats out for the season as well, and he's in is 30s so will lose money on resale not looking good

yep its never easy ,thought hull had cracked it but they're looking a bit dodgy now ,spent 5m on a player thats out for the season as well, and he's in is 30s so will lose money on resale not looking good

reminds me of what happened to rob hulse, we definitely would have stayed up if he didn't get injured.

yep its never easy ,thought hull had cracked it but they're looking a bit dodgy now ,spent 5m on a player thats out for the season as well, and he's in is 30s so will lose money on resale not looking good

hull are in freefall mate ,i can see them being dragged into the bottom three

hull are in freefall mate ,i can see them being dragged into the bottom three

The financial gap is bad enough, which leads to the quality gap. No quality player wants to play for Cardiff for example, when they can go play for a Prem club. Even a rubbish Prem club. Look at Bougherra.

Lets be honest, which South Yorkshire club have got a player that's a household name?! None of them. I remember the days when we had Chris Waddle, David Hirst, Brian Deane even. Both Sheffield clubs had household names.

I'm sure United fans will disagree here, but neither Sheffield club, and none of the other Yorkshire clubs have household names playing for them. How many people would recognise half the Wednesday squad if they bumped into them in the street. I'm sure most would recognise Michael Owen for example. They'd recognise Ryan Giggs and Carlos Tevez (who might not be that popular in certain parts).

PS its interesting that as a Wednesday fan, I can call United "United", but United fans generally have to call Wednesday "Wendy", which, above anything is the lamest insult ever, and on a par with calling United Blunts....oooh how funny!!

The financial gap is bad enough, which leads to the quality gap. No quality player wants to play for Cardiff for example, when they can go play for a Prem club. Even a rubbish Prem club. Look at Bougherra.

Lets be honest, which South Yorkshire club have got a player that's a household name?! None of them. I remember the days when we had Chris Waddle, David Hirst, Brian Deane even. Both Sheffield clubs had household names.

I'm sure United fans will disagree here, but neither Sheffield club, and none of the other Yorkshire clubs have household names playing for them. How many people would recognise half the Wednesday squad if they bumped into them in the street. I'm sure most would recognise Michael Owen for example. They'd recognise Ryan Giggs and Carlos Tevez (who might not be that popular in certain parts).

PS its interesting that as a Wednesday fan, I can call United "United", but United fans generally have to call Wednesday "Wendy", which, above anything is the lamest insult ever, and on a par with calling United Blunts....oooh how funny!!

admit to calling wednesday wendy once , in reply to my mate bladebloke , usually put owls or wednesday, the stupid name calling works both ways on here.Personally I find the whole pigs ,slugs,blunts and flaws name callng very childish.

just tried to PM bladebloke and it looks like he is banned again cos I couldn't pm him. This will no doubt please a certain poster on here who seems to relish in reporting people and getting them banned for anything he can think of. Not bad for a person who has insulted and sniped more than anyone else on here.

admit to calling wednesday wendy once , in reply to my mate bladebloke , usually put owls or wednesday, the stupid name calling works both ways on here.Personally I find the whole pigs ,slugs,blunts and flaws name callng very childish.

just tried to PM bladebloke and it looks like he is banned again cos I couldn't pm him. This will no doubt please a certain poster on here who seems to relish in reporting people and getting them banned for anything he can think of. Not bad for a person who has insulted and sniped more than anyone else on here.

Agreed. Its one of those things I dont like about football. Besides the insults are rubbish! If people are going to insult another club, they should invent something at least good! :)

Agreed. Its one of those things I dont like about football. Besides the insults are rubbish! If people are going to insult another club, they should invent something at least good! :)

your right mate -complete opposite from rugby ,where rival fans sit side by side at games ,and never any problems.

on the Tevez issue ,am i right in thinking he is still on loan at Man utd?

on the Tevez issue ,am i right in thinking he is still on loan at Man utd?

who Tevez plays for now is nothing to do with the issue.

Mr Benn

This is SHEFFIELD FOOTBALL not Sheffield rugby keep the egg chasing on another thread

United we Stand United we Stand Out

How dare I have an opinion different to yours eh?! Terrible. I love how you resort to insults, rather than answer my point. Clearly a very intelligent person.

My point is United should not have even started the action because the causative link between the "offence" and the result is so thin as to be pointless.

United were relegated because they weren't good enough. Simple fact. The Tevez issue is a side issue and should not be a reason for a court case costing millions. The issue as to whether they are entitled to compensation should never have got this far.

And "mong" as an insult? Seriously? Are you 7?

I am the only one that has answered your post which speaks volumes, does it not? I leave intelligent posts with someone that is intelligent, a category sadly you do not fit.

Whether United were relegated because they weren't good enough is not the point. The point is that United wouldn't have been relegated if west ham hadn't fielded tevez. West Ham would have!

Now for the simple minded, yes you! A independant tribunal agree with SUFCs case and have found in their favour, so they agree with me. The FA and FAPL are reinvestigating WHUFCs behavior, so they agree with me. The majority of the British press agree that WHUFC should have been relegated, so they agree with me. The majority of football fans (except WHUFC and SWFC) agree that west ham cheated and should be relegated, check the football blogs! So they agree with me.
Nearly every club that was in the FAPL at the time stated that west ham should have been relegated, so they agree with me.

In fact it's only you and the aforementioned fans that have no reason to be neutral that are saying west ham should be patted on the back and allowed to carry on their merry way.

I do though apologise for my mong comment in was made in a jokey way and besides after reading your view on this issue I think you may have a long way to go before you can aspire to being a mong. JOKE BY THE WAY SO DON'T STRESS!:hihi:

well wendy are the club with the worst record in league history for players corruption and cheating. birds of a feather stick together.

:rolleyes: living in the past again then;) bitterness and envy:huh:give us something to be envious of and you can have that. all this tevez stuff is going to drag on for ages. west ham should of been fined alot more, say around 15 million, then all this would of been avoided. be interesting to see what utd end up with but i doubt it will be the 30 million, maybe around 15 million

Justice will be done sooner or later.

Justice will be done sooner or later.

the ways its going mate ,it will be later

[QUOTE=lumberjack48;4739747]I am the only one that has answered your post which speaks volumes, does it not? I leave intelligent posts with someone that is intelligent, a category sadly you do not fit.

Whether United were relegated because they weren't good enough is not the point. The point is that United wouldn't have been relegated if west ham hadn't fielded tevez. West Ham would have!

QUOTE]

that is an opinion, cant be proved:thumbsup: all this is down to the fa incompetence. 5 million was never enough, a proper amount for the fine would of avoided it as i said in above post

Justice will be done sooner or later.

Justice can never be done unless you have a time machine,

:rolleyes: living in the past again then;) bitterness and envy:huh:give us something to be envious of and you can have that. all this tevez stuff is going to drag on for ages. west ham should of been fined alot more, say around 15 million, then all this would of been avoided. be interesting to see what utd end up with but i doubt it will be the 30 million, maybe around 15 million

read the stupid post I was answering before you comment david .don't tell me about living in the past , thats 90% of the wednesday fans on here.
Got one on here with a boxing day video as his signature , dozens of posts about the milk cup, thats living in the past.

that is an opinion, cant be proved:thumbsup: all this is down to the fa incompetence. 5 million was never enough, a proper amount for the fine would of avoided it as i said in above post[/QUOTE]

It has been proven in a court of law. There is no proper amount, points should have been docked as have been so many times before.:thumbsup:

read the stupid post I was answering before you comment david .don't tell me about living in the past , thats 90% of the wednesday fans on here.
Got one on here with a boxing day video as his signature , dozens of posts about the milk cup, thats living in the past.

both sets of fans are guilty of it but if going back to tins on fargate, corrupt players etc isnt classed as living in the past, neither is us winning the cup, europe as they are more recent than all that:thumbsup:

Fact; if tevez had not played for whufc sufc would have stayed up. Fact; whufc cheated the system - or tried too.

Fact; if tevez had not played for whufc sufc would have stayed up. Fact; whufc cheated the system - or tried too.

You forgot to mention that even after being caught they lied and continued to break the rules.

just trying to make it dead simple for the jealous wendyites

who says any wednesdayites are jelous? i know i'm not. i was only saying it cant be proved tevez relegated you. i dont blame utd trying to get some money from them but its all down to the fa being useless

but its all down to the fa being useless

And spineless.

and that:thumbsup:

both sets of fans are guilty of it but if going back to tins on fargate, corrupt players etc isnt classed as living in the past, neither is us winning the cup, europe as they are more recent than all that:thumbsup:

listen david , you read this forum all the time and if you don't think that boxing day and the league cup are a distant memory there's something wrong. you werent even born. you wanna talk about now. For your infomation I was at both games, On the wednesday cop by myself for boxing day and as a guest of swfc for the league cup final. the reason being my company had a contract with swfc.

listen david , you read this forum all the time and if you don't think that boxing day and the league cup are a distant memory there's something wrong. you werent even born. you wanna talk about now.

i dont want to get into an arguement over this. we get slated for living in the past with our cup win etc and i agree it was along time ago so not worth mentioning so we agree there right?
bb and you have mentioned on this thread and numerous other times about the collecting on fargate, corrupt players etc, now is that not exactly the same as wednesday fans going an about the above?

i dont want to get into an arguement over this. we get slated for living in the past with our cup win etc and i agree it was along time ago so not worth mentioning so we agree there right?
bb and you have mentioned on this thread and numerous other times about the collecting on fargate, corrupt players etc, now is that not exactly the same as wednesday fans going an about the above?

It's just ironic that the fans of wednesday and west ham are the only ones to disagree.

but alot of wednesday fans agree with the legal action, just not that it can be proved tevez was the only reason you went down. you didnt answer my question anyway, if you agree not to mention those things i wont ever mention the owls cup win and things. well i meant to say i find it ironic you say we live in the past when your doing the exact same thing

but alot of wednesday fans agree with the legal action, just not that it can be proved tevez was the only reason you went down. you didnt answer my question anyway, if you agree not to mention those things i wont ever mention the owls cup win and things. well i meant to say i find it ironic you say we live in the past when your doing the exact same thing

go back to where you started this you had your chip at me answering someone else hours ago,I don't care wether you mention anything, YOU are the one who had a go at me. as for it can't be proved that we would not have gone down if tevez hadn't played fot west ham, do keep up it has been proven in the hearings.

all that has been proved is that west ham cheated in signing him, not that he sent you down, that part isnt as clear and we will never know. as for me having a go at you, i was answering your post, 44 i think where you decided to mention corrupt players then later you say owls fans live in the past with milk cup or something, not sure why you ended up mentioning that and dont care. if you want to mention corrupt players and begging tins then go ahead but you cant have a go at owls fans for living in the past when your doing the exact same thing. anyway, back to topic. west ham are cheats:thumbsup:

all that has been proved is that west ham cheated in signing him, not that he sent you down, that part isnt as clear and we will never know. as for me having a go at you, i was answering your post, 44 i think where you decided to mention corrupt players then later you say owls fans live in the past with milk cup or something, not sure why you ended up mentioning that and dont care. if you want to mention corrupt players and begging tins then go ahead but you cant have a go at owls fans for living in the past when your doing the exact same thing. anyway, back to topic. west ham are cheats:thumbsup:

didn't have a go at owls fans for living in the past ,I answered your post having a go at me and blades for living in the past....
I will try again with the tevez affair , as several other posters have already pointed out , it was proven tevez was worth at least 3 points to west ham. effectively relgating sheffield united, not by me but by the people who ran the hearings. you keep coming back saying the same thing and you have been answered . thats it for me cos it's boring everyone else now.

well i cant be bothered checking back through posts, will just wait for either you or bb to say we live in past then i will point it out to you again. tevez might of scored the goal that got them 3 points but it doesnt mean thye wouldnt of stayed up, someone else could of scored it. old news anyway, just have to see how much you get, i think it will be around 15 million

well i cant be bothered checking back through posts, will just wait for either you or bb to say we live in past then i will point it out to you again. tevez might of scored the goal that got them 3 points but it doesnt mean thye wouldnt of stayed up, someone else could of scored it. old news anyway, just have to see how much you get, i think it will be around 15 million

good night david.

lets wait and see what happens.

lets wait and see what happens.

thats all you can do mate

who says any wednesdayites are jelous? i know i'm not. i was only saying it cant be proved tevez relegated you. i dont blame utd trying to get some money from them but its all down to the fa being useless

David you are missing something here! It has been proven in a court of law but not in the court of a biased opinion such as yours. The FA by the way had nothing to do with the original decision, it was the FAPL that decided the punishment west ham would face. An entity that makes it's own decisions on matters such as this as regards PL clubs.
The FA have only gotten involved since the findings at the last hearing and the reason for that is SUFC are now a championship club and under the FA umberella.

You are right that as Blades we can't categorically prove that Tevez kept West Ham up, just as you can't prove he didn't. This being the case, in a civilized society, we allow law to decide what, by weighing the evidence, is the right course of action. Guess what David, the law agrees with us Blades.
Guess unless you become a judge in the near future you will have to grin and bare it!! Is that a tinge of green I see in those eyes? :hihi:

David you are missing something here! It has been proven in a court of law but not in the court of a biased opinion such as yours. The FA by the way had nothing to do with the original decision, it was the FAPL that decided the punishment west ham would face. An entity that makes it's own decisions on matters such as this as regards PL clubs.
The FA have only gotten involved since the findings at the last hearing and the reason for that is SUFC are now a championship club and under the FA umberella.

You are right that as Blades we can't categorically prove that Tevez kept West Ham up, just as you can't prove he didn't. This being the case, in a civilized society, we allow law to decide what, by weighing the evidence, is the right course of action. Guess what David, the law agrees with us Blades.
Guess unless you become a judge in the near future you will have to grin and bare it!! Is that a tinge of green I see in those eyes? :hihi:

Well I have my claim prepared and ready to submit once the 1st payment is made to the Blades.
The claim is based on the fact that I have been prevented from being able to watch my team play in the Premiership due to the Tevez affair. My children have been prevented from learning and developing their possible future trade by being prevented from watching their local team play premier opposition.

think you find any decent football fan not just us decent wednesday fans agree united were hard done by. for the good of football in general this needs sorting and west ham need a proper punishment. united suffered the most and deserve compensating.

right off to get the old man.

come on you owls.

David you are missing something here! It has been proven in a court of law but not in the court of a biased opinion such as yours. The FA by the way had nothing to do with the original decision, it was the FAPL that decided the punishment west ham would face. An entity that makes it's own decisions on matters such as this as regards PL clubs.
The FA have only gotten involved since the findings at the last hearing and the reason for that is SUFC are now a championship club and under the FA umberella.

You are right that as Blades we can't categorically prove that Tevez kept West Ham up, just as you can't prove he didn't. This being the case, in a civilized society, we allow law to decide what, by weighing the evidence, is the right course of action. Guess what David, the law agrees with us Blades.
Guess unless you become a judge in the near future you will have to grin and bare it!! Is that a tinge of green I see in those eyes? :hihi:

i have said many times the 5 million wasnt adequate punishment so i hope you get some decent money of them. glad you admit it cant be proved that the only reason they stayed up was tevez, end of day it all ifs and buts but i will be glad when its all sorted out one way or the other, just as i guess alot of blades will be i guess
my eyes are brown, no green here;) i've said before i'd never be jelous of utd, if your jelous of another team then your not a true supporter. of course i dont know how much green you had while we were in the prem:thumbsup:

i think West Ham will go into admin before this is ever settled -then any creditor will only get a very very small amount of money.
Its well known they are in financial trouble - i doubt they have £3 million to play with.

think you find any decent football fan not just us decent wednesday fans agree united were hard done by. for the good of football in general this needs sorting and west ham need a proper punishment. united suffered the most and deserve compensating.

right off to get the old man.

come on you owls.

Great to see a Wednesday fan with the sense to see that this did need sorting and SUFC did have a legitimate grievance:thumbsup:

Great to see a Wednesday fan with the sense to see that this did need sorting and SUFC did have a legitimate grievance:thumbsup:



most wednesday fans feel like me mate. i would feel the same if it was cheltenham stockport or man utd. forget united its for the good of football. the one thing at least we have in common is the love and trust of football. if we have not got that then we are wasting our time and money.


my promise was a load of old tosh. misunderstood my fella when i walked in and he said "up the owls" never mind. :(

ok then:rolleyes: i have agreed utd deserve compensation i just dont agree that it was all down to tevez sending you down, like i said in the prevoius post. as for the living in the past it was only a joking comment, as i said once the cup win etc was before my time but plenty of blades like you live in the past with the tins on fargate, corrupt players etc. anyway, dont care what you think of me, i say it how i see it. had your bite now, just be glad when all this tevez issue is over

As far as Tevez's influence, it wasn't just that winner at Old Trafford, it was the contribution throughout the run-in. He started it with the goal at Blackburn that never even looked like it went near the goal line (it made Naughton's o.g. look about 5 foot over the line in comparison!), which provided a totally unexpected win at Blackburn, and started their impressive escape run. Tevez is a class player, unlike most of their players at that time.

The key question though, is if Tevez was not important, and anyone else (e.g. Zamora) could've done the same, then why, after they got the decision on their paltry fine ahead of their crucial trip to Wigan (which they then won 2-0 I think), why didn't they remove Tevez from the team for the remaining games...

Had they done that and still survived, then United (or whoever had gone down instead) would not have had anywhere near as strong a case against them... and it's the murkiness of what happened between West Ham, Joorabchian and the league around this time that seems to have really done for them. Common sense should've told them to pull him out of the team, and not risk further issues arising?

As far as Tevez's influence, it wasn't just that winner at Old Trafford, it was the contribution throughout the run-in. He started it with the goal at Blackburn that never even looked like it went near the goal line (it made Naughton's o.g. look about 5 foot over the line in comparison!), which provided a totally unexpected win at Blackburn, and started their impressive escape run. Tevez is a class player, unlike most of their players at that time.

The key question though, is if Tevez was not important, and anyone else (e.g. Zamora) could've done the same, then why, after they got the decision on their paltry fine ahead of their crucial trip to Wigan (which they then won 2-0 I think), why didn't they remove Tevez from the team for the remaining games...

Had they done that and still survived, then United (or whoever had gone down instead) would not have had anywhere near as strong a case against them... and it's the murkiness of what happened between West Ham, Joorabchian and the league around this time that seems to have really done for them. Common sense should've told them to pull him out of the team, and not risk further issues arising?

i know he was influencial, no doubting he got them a few goals but all i was saying it cant be proved if another player would of scored the goals but i do think the way west ham went about everything they should of got a much heavier fine. its gone on so long now it just needs sorting

this will rumble on and on

this will rumble on and on
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100% right mate :hihi:

Gentleman,

I'm going to suggest we respect one another on here rather than name calling and having digs at each other.

I hope there isn't any repeats of this or you end up in 'cyberjail'

just been reading the News of the world (sunday) and it seems west ham owner IS trying to sell the club and has until the end of the season.. the new buyer is currently in talks with McCabe to see how much the new owner will have to pay, there looking to do this ASAP :love::D:thumbsup:

Gentleman,

I'm going to suggest we respect one another on here rather than name calling and having digs at each other.

I hope there isn't any repeats of this or you end up in 'cyberjail'

way things on here are going lately I bet there's six to a cell.:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:.

just been reading the News of the world (sunday) and it seems west ham owner IS trying to sell the club and has until the end of the season.. the new buyer is currently in talks with McCabe to see how much the new owner will have to pay, there looking to do this ASAP :love::D:thumbsup:

who is going to buy a club knowing another club is trying to get 30 million from them -i cant see anyone wanting to buy west ham

who is going to buy a club knowing another club is trying to get 30 million from them -i cant see anyone wanting to buy west ham

who is going to buy wednesday knowing they owe £28million ? Nobody.
If you read the post it says potental buyers are already in discussions with McCABE.
Deffo some candy on it's way , how much is the only question now.

who is going to buy a club knowing another club is trying to get 30 million from them -i cant see anyone wanting to buy west ham

Oh i don't know- with the sky TV money coming in every year they are still an attractive financial asset- even with this courtcase/debt hanging over them.

Its just finding someone who's willing to take a risk in the global downturn.

Oh i don't know- with the sky TV money coming in every year they are still an attractive financial asset- even with this courtcase/debt hanging over them.

Its just finding someone who's willing to take a risk in the global downturn.

every club in debt is a risk at present -i see many going into admin as a way of losing most of their debts ,and to be honest i dont blame them

but its not as simple as that- you can't just declare yourself insolvent and loose all the debt- there are many other steps to doing it- plus can you imagine the shockwave if a premiership club went into administation!!

every club in debt is a risk at present -i see many going into admin as a way of losing most of their debts ,and to be honest i dont blame them

Going into admin is not the problem , getting backout of it is, if you don't agree a deal with your creditors , allen being a major one, look at luton, bournmouth and rotherham. It would be a disaster but at least they would know where they stand.

Going into admin is not the problem , getting backout of it is, if you don't agree a deal with your creditors , allen being a major one, look at luton, bournmouth and rotherham. It would be a disaster but at least they would know where they stand.
Allen is the one causing the problem here. if we wnet pop he would never see his money again ,so it seems strange he is trying his best to ruin any takeover:loopy:

Allen is the one causing the problem here. if we wnet pop he would never see his money again ,so it seems strange he is trying his best to ruin any takeover:loopy:

Who says he is trying to ruin any takeover ? he agreed to sell his shares the last time you had an immaginary takeover [sheard]. All he is saying is there is no takeover to buy his shares and if there is he expects to get the money he loaned you back.

Who says he is trying to ruin any takeover ? he agreed to sell his shares the last time you had an immaginary takeover [sheard]. All he is saying is there is no takeover to buy his shares and if there is he expects to get the money he loaned you back.

but if he wont agree to a deal ,where as the bank has ,and any possible takeover falls through ,we will go into admin and he will lose most of the money anyway

but if he wont agree to a deal ,where as the bank has ,and any possible takeover falls through ,we will go into admin and he will lose most of the money anyway

how can he agree to sell if as your club statement today says, there are not any investors. do keep up.