just been announced that Jade has only a few months left to live....

lets just hope her last months are not spent in too much pain and hope this is a wake up call to all women to have regular smears..

That's horrible news.

Oh god not another thread where the low lifes crawl out the wood work like they did on the other threads about her

Even though I dislike the woman, I wouldnt want to wish this on anyone. I could only ever imagine what it would be like to be told that you have a terminal illness with only a short term to live. I feel for her and children.

It is a shock and very sad when anyone so young gets a terminal illness.

They told me my mum had only about 3 months to live. She died within the week.
Equally others have been given a similar prognosis and live considerably longer.
Doctors, with all their training and experience are not fortune tellers, they can be wrong.
I hope she makes the most of whatever time she has left, as I'm sure she will.

Just imagine if you can what it must be like as a young mum to be told you are going to die very soon.

Sorry to hear that minimo but my comment was about the other threads as you know yourself how sick the comments were.Maybe if they had seen someone die from cancer there comments would be a little less glib

Sorry to hear that minimo but my comment was about the other threads as you know yourself how sick the comments were.Maybe if they had seen someone die from cancer there comments would be a little less glib

Lets hope this thread stays on a positive, for Jade and anyone else faced with news they only have months left to live...

thoughts go out for her and her children

Well I like her shes down earth and It shows how she loves her kids.

They told me my mum had only about 3 months to live. She died within the week.
Equally others have been given a similar prognosis and live considerably longer.
Doctors, with all their training and experience are not fortune tellers, they can be wrong.
I hope she makes the most of whatever time she has left, as I'm sure she will.

Just imagine if you can what it must be like as a young mum to be told you are going to die very soon.

I think when given the prognosis of possibly only having a few months left to live, how long they actually last seems to be up to the individual.

I remember someone who was very vocal and very determined to fight their illness in every way they could and determined to live a long life. When told by the surgeons that there was nothing more that they could do for him, and it was now time to concentrate on the quality of time left rather than the quantity of time left, he died within a very short period of time.

i only hope that she gets some quality time with her children, they will remember that for the rest of thier lives.

All I wish for is that Jade properly does some good to raising cancer awareness.

As far as I'm aware it's all been about her. I'd like to see some charities and some proper good coming out of all this.

Cancer is a horrible illness and now it's spread, things don't look good for her, but some good could come out of this.

This is very sad news indeed, I just hope that she is a made as comfortable as possible. I wonder if she's contacted the organisation who was behind Channel 4's 'The Mummy Diaries' who help prepare children for the imminent death of a parent. I don't know if anyone saw this series a couple of years ago, it was heartbreaking. It featured 4 women who were all dying of cancer and they were preparing memory boxes and journals for their children. In fact in that sho Sprials on Eccy Road, I saw some books for parents to record all their first experiences pre-kids and detail their reactions and emotions to having children which I thought was a wondferful idea, something for children (grown as well as young) to remember their parents by and get a feel for what they were like as people before having had them.

I really do feel for Jade and her family.

All I wish for is that Jade properly does some good to raising cancer awareness.

As far as I'm aware it's all been about her. I'd like to see some charities and some proper good coming out of all this.

Cancer is a horrible illness and now it's spread, things don't look good for her, but some good could come out of this.

Whether she's actively raising awareness or not is not really the point in my view, however, her situation has surely highlighted how not only should women get regular smears, but any abnormal ones should be followed up and abnormal bleeding should not be left.

http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/entertainment/2009/02/14/jade_goody_plans_to_wed_jack_tweed

All I wish for is that Jade properly does some good to raising cancer awareness.

As far as I'm aware it's all been about her. I'd like to see some charities and some proper good coming out of all this.

Cancer is a horrible illness and now it's spread, things don't look good for her, but some good could come out of this.

I know of someone on here that has been shocked into going for a smear so maybe one life saved already

I dont believe anything that Max Clifford says, I`ll believe it when I see it.

I dont believe anything that Max Clifford says, I`ll believe it when I see it.

So you think she has bloated up and shaved her hair so she just looks like she is having cancer treatment?

I wonder if the scumbags on here who were accusing her of faking it and even some saying she deserved it etc because of her ''racist'' coments on some crap programe I didnt watch (and would be embarrassed to admit i did had I tbh) feel bad for what they said ? :suspect: I doubt it somehow as afterall she made a stupid comment so deserves to have bene struck down by this horrible disease doesnt she :rolleyes:

I wish i could find the thread to show them up but think it was removed or at least most posts were, you should be ashamed of yourselves whoever you were wishing death on a young woman :mad:

I wonder if the scumbags on here who were accusing her of faking it and even some saying she deserved it etc because of her ''racist'' coments on some crap programe I didnt watch (and would be embarrassed to admit i did had I tbh) feel bad for what they said ? :suspect: I doubt it somehow as afterall she made a stupid comment so deserves to have bene struck down by this horrible disease doesnt she :rolleyes:

I wish i could find the thread to show them up but think it was removed or at least most posts were, you should be ashamed of yourselves whoever you were wishing death on a young woman :mad:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455612&highlight=chav

the thread you asked for one of them anyway

I dont believe anything that Max Clifford says, I`ll believe it when I see it.
You'd have to be pretty thick to believe that someone in the public spotlight would dream up the idea of faking cancer, given the obvious consequences for their future career on their inevitable exposure as fraudulent. You'd have to be a drooling moron to believe that a savvy media guru like Max Clifford would go along with the idea, given those consequences.

As you couldn't possibly be posting just to wind folk up - surely not! - what's your excuse for not believing the information presented by Jade Goody's representatives?

You'd have to be pretty thick to believe that someone in the public spotlight would dream up the idea of faking cancer, given the obvious consequences for their future career on their inevitable exposure as fraudulent. You'd have to be a drooling moron to believe that a savvy media guru like Max Clifford would go along with the idea, given those consequences.

As you couldn't possibly be posting just to wind folk up - surely not! - what's your excuse for not believing the information presented by Jade Goody's representatives?
heres the link

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455612&highlight=chav

heres the link

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455612&highlight=chav
Hmmm. The two threads I posted on previously in response to similar comments have been deleted.

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Wondered how long it would be before you turned up with your vile comments like you left on the other threads about Jade

Nothing wrong with my post in this thread.

And my opinion is my own, I'm entitled to it. And many others feel the same way about the way she's going about things.

If you can't debate the opposing viewpoints without being offensive to the poster that's your problem.

Trying to defend her whoring herself in the papers at the minute is just as offensive to me as you thought my comments were.

My heart goes out to her and her boys.
Whatever she has/hasn`t done in the past dosn`t even matter, the woman is terminally ill and will no doubt soon be leaving her boys without a mum.
I can`t think of anything sadder.

just been announced that Jade has only a few months left to live....


it was on the cards really, as soon as she was diagnosed with cervical cancer.

still difficult to believe though....

she's made such a huge impact on the british public, both good and bad....and in such a short time-frame.

i think she's a good person at heart.....just uneducated and a bit twisted by her upbringing.

poor wee ting :(

My friend died in similar circumstances at the age of 37. The poor girl has a horrible road ahead of her. I wish her and her children all the very best, they are going to need it.

just been announced that Jade has only a few months left to live....

lets just hope her last months are not spent in too much pain and hope this is a wake up call to all women to have regular smears..

The whole Big Bro and reality TV mainly is not my scene. But I couldn't wish cancer on most people. I can't blame her for milking the press if it see that her children are kept well.

...I can't blame her for milking the press if it see that her children are kept well.
Indeed. I'm surprised that anyone has any issue with this, and that some are choosing to direct their bile at Jade herself.

Jade's media career was founded on the basis of being in Big Brother being Jade. She continued in the spotlight with no talent other than the ability to live publicly and to captivate the Celebrity magazine-reading, Big Brother-watching public.

Now that she's ill and aiming to continue providing for her children in the manner she's always done is hardly surprising. If you find that offensive or shocking, then turn away, or look to the folk who lap up the every move of her and others like her in Heat and the tabloids.

Indeed. I'm surprised that anyone has any issue with this, and that some are choosing to direct their bile at Jade herself.

Jade's media career was founded on the basis of being in Big Brother being Jade. She continued in the spotlight with no talent other than the ability to live publicly and to captivate the Celebrity magazine-reading, Big Brother-watching public.

Now that she's ill and aiming to continue providing for her children in the manner she's always done is hardly surprising. If you find that offensive or shocking, then turn away, or look to the folk who lap up the every move of her and others like her in Heat and the tabloids.

I'm not going to express an opinion on the overall situation as I don't really have one, but having lost several close relatives to cancer I did find some remarks published by Max Clifford today particularly distasteful. These are taken from Digital Spy relating to a story about selling her wedding rights for £1 million:

Goody's spokesman Max Clifford confirmed that the star is "desperate to earn as much money as she can" over the coming months.

He added: "It is fair to say that selling the rights to her wedding would be a surefire way of earning a big amount of money."


For someone that was only told they were going to die and subsequently got engaged yesterday, quick planning surely?

I hope her mother does not become the main carer of the boys/she is a horror.

For someone that was only told they were going to die and subsequently got engaged yesterday, quick planning surely?

I'd think plan things very quickly if I'd had a terminal illness, wouldn't you?

I'm not going to express an opinion on the overall situation as I don't really have one, but having lost several close relatives to cancer I did find some remarks published by Max Clifford today particularly distasteful. These are taken from Digital Spy relating to a story about selling her wedding rights for £1 million:



For someone that was only told they were going to die and subsequently got engaged yesterday, quick planning surely?


She ain't got time on her side.

I hope her mother does not become the main carer of the boys/she is a horror.

Presumably their father will take care of them.

I'm not going to express an opinion on the overall situation as I don't really have one, but having lost several close relatives to cancer I did find some remarks published by Max Clifford today particularly distasteful. These are taken from Digital Spy relating to a story about selling her wedding rights for £1 million:

For someone that was only told they were going to die and subsequently got engaged yesterday, quick planning surely?
I'm not really that concerned about taste, or the time it might take to sell a wedding story to Now or Hello (though it would happen pretty damn quickly, in this context, I would think). The existence of Heat and other gossip magazines/web sites demonstrates that there's a market for personal, tragic stories which some find distasteful. If the subjects of those stories aren't willing to cooperate and pander to that interest, then the zoom lenses of the Paparazzi will pry and invade, and snooping investigative journalists will ferret out the details - or invent them - anyway.

If Jade can make money from the public's interest in her death, as she has from their interest in her life, then good for her. Better her bank balance swell along with those who feed off her, then for her to be poor and parasitised against her will.

I'm not really that concerned about taste, or the time it might take to sell a wedding story to Now or Hello (though it would happen pretty damn quickly, in this context, I would think). The existence of Heat and other gossip magazines/web sites demonstrates that there's a market for personal, tragic stories which some find distasteful. If the subjects of those stories aren't willing to cooperate and pander to that interest, then the zoom lenses of the Paparazzi will pry and invade, and snooping investigative journalists will ferret out the details - or invent them - anyway.

If Jade can make money from the public's interest in her death, as she has from their interest in her life, then good for her. Better her bank balance swell along with those who feed off her, then for her to be poor and parasitised against her will.

I think she'd be better off concentrating on having some quality time with her family rather than desperatly trying to make as much money as she can in the last few months.

I think she'd be better off concentrating on having some quality time with her family rather than desperatly trying to make as much money as she can in the last few months.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. By cooperating with the media she at least begins to approach the issue from a position of power: you have access to this, for this much time, on this date, then you leave me be for this length of time. I suppose that's the idea, though I guess she still has 'unapproved' photographers camping on her door step.

After living so publicly, she'd likely be branded as a hypocrite if she chose to retreat entirely from the spotlight now, not that she'd be allowed to anyway.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. By cooperating with the media she at least begins to approach the issue from a position of power: you have access to this, for this much time, on this date, then you leave me be for this length of time. I suppose that's the idea, though I guess she still has 'unapproved' photographers camping on her door step.

After living so publicly, she'd likely be branded as a hypocrite if she chose to retreat entirely from the spotlight now, not that she'd be allowed to anyway.

I don't think she would be branded a hypocrite at all, I seem to remember Kylie Minogue being left well alone by the media at the time of her diagnosis, also Jane Tomlinson at the time of her death.

There is no reason for Jade to involve the media, and with carefull management I'm fairly certain that it will be possible to have the media respect the her wishes should she choose retreat from them now.

I don't think she would be branded a hypocrite at all, I seem to remember Kylie Minogue being left well alone by the media at the time of her diagnosis, also Jane Tomlinson at the time of her death.

There is no reason for Jade to involve the media, and with carefull management I'm fairly certain that it will be possible to have the media respect the her wishes should she choose retreat from them now.

There is no right or wrong way to come to terms with your impending death. This is obviously the way Jade wants to do it. She wants to die in the same way she lived her life, in the media spotlight.

I am not a fan of Jade Goody, but I was sad to find out she has terminal cancer. Its a real shame her children will be left without a mother.
Maybe she isn't being as selfish as some people think by trying to make money in her final months. Her money will more than likely be left to her sons when she dies.
Hopefully Jade's situation will raise awareness of cervical cancer and encourage more women to have smear tests. I know I will definetly go for one when I turn 25 in a few months, if not sooner.

I am not a fan of Jade Goody, but I was sad to find out she has terminal cancer. Its a real shame her children will be left without a mother.
Maybe she isn't being as selfish as some people think by trying to make money in her final months. Her money will more than likely be left to her sons when she dies.
Hopefully Jade's situation will raise awareness of cervical cancer and encourage more women to have smear tests. I know I will definetly go for one when I turn 25 in a few months, if not sooner.

Her children aren't going to be orphaned, they have a dad, who has a career presenting I believe.

I think it's being presented to us that she's a desperate single mum trying to leave as much money as she can for her boys before she goes. All I'm saying is, thats not neceserry, in years to come what will her children appreciate more, the few extra quid or the memories she has the oppertunity to create?

I don't think she would be branded a hypocrite at all, I seem to remember Kylie Minogue being left well alone by the media at the time of her diagnosis, also Jane Tomlinson at the time of her death.

There is no reason for Jade to involve the media, and with carefull management I'm fairly certain that it will be possible to have the media respect the her wishes should she choose retreat from them now.
Kylie Minogue and Jane Tomlinson never courted the media in the manner Jade did. Their reason for being famous wasn't their willingness to share the minutiae of an essentially mundane existence with a public which lapped up every tiny morsel of their essentially mundane lives.

As I said earlier, Jade's talent, such as it is, is to appeal to those whose interest is in celebrity for celebrity's sake. Without the Big Brother viewers' bizarre interest in watching nonentities do nothing other than exist as a public spectacle, she wouldn't have had a media career.

Her entire career has been making money from living her life in public, aided by the media. As such, it's not surprising that she's making money from dying in public, aided by the media.

wouldn`t any mother do the best for her kids

I am not a fan of Jade Goody, but I was sad to find out she has terminal cancer. Its a real shame her children will be left without a mother.
Maybe she isn't being as selfish as some people think by trying to make money in her final months. Her money will more than likely be left to her sons when she dies.
Hopefully Jade's situation will raise awareness of cervical cancer and encourage more women to have smear tests. I know I will definetly go for one when I turn 25 in a few months, if not sooner.

Pay the £90 and do it sooner

wouldn`t any mother do the best for her kids

Doing the best for your kids isn't about how much cash you leave when you die.

Doing the best for your kids isn't about how much cash you leave when you die.

Hang on you did i say that Im all for jade so roll your neck in,whatever the others say about her I like jade so why shouldn`t she get as much as she can for those kids.there has been so real sick comments about here on here lately so good on ya Jade

Hang on you did i say that Im all for jade so roll your neck in<whatever the others say about her I like jade so why shouldn`t she get as much as she can for those kids

Calm down dear. Slight over reaction.

Kylie Minogue and Jane Tomlinson never courted the media in the manner Jade did. Their reason for being famous wasn't their willingness to share the minutiae of an essentially mundane existence with a public which lapped up every tiny morsel of their essentially mundane lives.

As I said earlier, Jade's talent, such as it is, is to appeal to those whose interest is in celebrity for celebrity's sake. Without the Big Brother viewers' bizarre interest in watching nonentities do nothing other than exist as a public spectacle, she wouldn't have had a media career.

Her entire career has been making money from living her life in public, aided by the media. As such, it's not surprising that she's making money from dying in public, aided by the media.


Jane tomlinson also got hate mail saying she was faking it .

...All I'm saying is, thats not neceserry, in years to come what will her children appreciate more, the few extra quid or the memories she has the oppertunity to create?
You're not her. You haven't lived her life or shared her priorities. I believe she comes from a very poor background. Perhaps she's desperate to avoid her children having to face a similar childhood, given that they're going to lose the main means by which they've been provided for.

Calm down dear. Slight over reaction.

You think I lost a mate last year to cancer where they bled from everywhere ,some think its ok shes only got cancer ,nps she will die this is a person and a mother who yes is in the media ,but wouldnt wish cancer on a dog so I may over react but some on here have been damm right nasty about her.She may not have had the upbringing of the royals and she admits to being common but does she deserve the vile remarks that have made me be ashamed to say Im from sheffield .

You're not her. You haven't lived her life or shared her priorities. I believe she comes from a very poor background. Perhaps she's desperate to avoid her children having to face a similar childhood, given that they're going to lose the main means by which they've been provided for.

They have a Dad, we have no reason to believe that he hasn't and wont continue to support them.

You think I lost a mate last year to cancer where they bled from everywhere ,some think its ok shes only got cancer ,nps she will die this is a person and a mother who yes is in the media ,but wouldnt wish cancer on a dog so I may over react but some on here have been damm right nasty about her.She may not have had the upbringing of the royals and she admits to being common but does she deserve the vile remarks that have made me be ashamed to say Im from sheffield .

I've lost several loved ones to cancer, that doesn't mean that I can't have a view about what I believe is the right thing to do in this situation.

In fact I was 10 years old when my own Dad died from cancer, I know if he'd been given the option of spending his last few weeks at home with us or earning as much money as he could which I would have preferred. As it is he died very suddenly and unexpectedly so it wasn't an issue.

By the way, I don't really think I've been vile at all about Jade.

Pay the £90 and do it sooner

Is that how much it costs? I can't afford to pay that.
I got a letter and should have gone when I was 20, but I forgot and now I have to wait until I am 25 in May.
I think I will call my GP next week see if I can get it done sooner.

They have a Dad, we have no reason to believe that he hasn't and wont continue to support them.
Isn't he in prison, or out on bail?

It's a pointless discussion really. Jade isn't asking for advice about how to spend her last months, and I'm only speculating about her motivations for doing what she is. Though it's unfair to judge her based on our own backgrounds, priorities and needs, I suppose she's fair game given her very public existence.

Is that how much it costs? I can't afford to pay that.
I got a letter and should have gone when I was 20, but I forgot and now I have to wait until I am 25 in May.
I think I will call my GP next week see if I can get it done sooner.

Do go even if you have to pay privately ask your dr it may be cheaper via him ,but if it saves your life its worth it

Isn't he in prison, or out on bail?

It's a pointless discussion really. Jade isn't asking for advice about how to spend her last months, and I'm only speculating about her motivations for doing what she is. Though it's unfair to judge her based on our own backgrounds, priorities and needs, I suppose she's fair game given her very public existence.

No, thats her boyfriend.

Some people thought Jane Tomlinson was wrong to spend so much time running (and raising money for charity) instead of spending time with her children.
Everyone has the right to make their own decisions, and there couldn't be a time when it's more important than when faced with your own imminent death.
Nobody has the right to criticise their decisions, it is/was theirs to make, just as we have the same right.

There's something profoundly demoralising, that in this cold country we live in, where it's rare that anyone shows even the slightest bit of interest in their next door neighbour - so long as they park outside their own house - that so many people will get so emotive about a media manufactured celebrity.

Q: If people are so worried about the sufferings of others, why not take an interest in the problems of those around them?
A: Because it's just a bit of soap opera really, that pushes those emotional buttons so many people seem to get off on, only this one is doubly effective because it's real live soap.

Of course it's horrble for Jade Goody and her family, just as it is for the millions of other people who undergo such sufferings without the glare of media spotlight fed by massive public interest.

Her children aren't going to be orphaned, they have a dad, who has a career presenting I believe.

I think it's being presented to us that she's a desperate single mum trying to leave as much money as she can for her boys before she goes. All I'm saying is, thats not neceserry, in years to come what will her children appreciate more, the few extra quid or the memories she has the oppertunity to create?

She is a desperate single mum, just not for the money.
I think a few posters on this very thread are holding back, I can almost sense the bile ready to pour out.

No, thats her boyfriend.
Right. I don't know if the father of her children has a career which will enable him to amass as much money as Jade's future career might have allowed her to. Perhaps she's driven by a strong sense of personal financial responsibility for her children. Perhaps she's making difficult decisions hastily. Perhaps she's worked out a schedule which balances her private family time with her time spent in public. Perhaps she's working to avoid focussing on how dire her situation is. Perhaps it's her way of dealing with it.

She didn't live her life as I would choose, and she isn't dying as I would choose, but then she's as different from me as could be. I'm not going to judge her actions based on my priorities.

She is a desperate single mum, just not for the money.
I think a few posters on this very thread are holding back, I can almost sense the bile ready to pour out.

Are you referring to me? I haven't got any bile waiting to pour out, just making the point that time with the children should take priority over making money now.

Kylie Minogue and Jane Tomlinson never courted the media in the manner Jade did. Their reason for being famous wasn't their willingness to share the minutiae of an essentially mundane existence with a public which lapped up every tiny morsel of their essentially mundane lives.

As I said earlier, Jade's talent, such as it is, is to appeal to those whose interest is in celebrity for celebrity's sake. Without the Big Brother viewers' bizarre interest in watching nonentities do nothing other than exist as a public spectacle, she wouldn't have had a media career.

Her entire career has been making money from living her life in public, aided by the media. As such, it's not surprising that she's making money from dying in public, aided by the media.

did court the media with her cancer I watched her go through her treatment,as did millions of veiwers .

I've lost several loved ones to cancer, that doesn't mean that I can't have a view about what I believe is the right thing to do in this situation.

In fact I was 10 years old when my own Dad died from cancer, I know if he'd been given the option of spending his last few weeks at home with us or earning as much money as he could which I would have preferred. As it is he died very suddenly and unexpectedly so it wasn't an issue.

By the way, I don't really think I've been vile at all about Jade.

Where did I say you had I said others ............

...Q: If people are so worried about the sufferings of others, why not take an interest in the problems of those around them?
A: Because it's just a bit of soap opera really, that pushes those emotional buttons so many people seem to get off on, only this one is doubly effective because it's real live soap. ...
Your post mystifies me. Expressing an opinion on - or expressing sympathy and empathy for - the plight of a public figure is clearly not incompatible with directing sympathy, empathy and practical assistance at those in similar situations closer to home.

It seems that it's the nature of the celebrity which prompts these sorts of posts. Tony Hart dies. We express our condolences to his family and sympathy at the loss of a public figure. Jade's on the verge of death. We express similar. There's a backlash because some can't see past the nature of the celebrity, irrespective that both have families who are equally grief-stricken.

If Jade's impending death were to prompt the wailing faux grief and mass hysteria seen at the death of Princess Diana, then I might understand your point a little more.

All most are doing here is either expressing sympathy for Jade and her family, or finding a way to have a dig. I find it more of a concern that you're having a pop at the former.

Your post mystifies me. Expressing an opinion on - or expressing sympathy and empathy for - the plight of a public figure is clearly not incompatible with directing sympathy, empathy and practical assistance at those in similar situations closer to home.

It seems that it's the nature of the celebrity which prompts these sorts of posts. Tony Hart dies. We express our condolences to his family and sympathy at the loss of a public figure. Jade's on the verge of death. We express similar. There's a backlash because some can't see past the nature of the celebrity, irrespective that both have families who are equally grief-stricken.

If Jade's impending death were to prompt the wailing faux grief and mass hysteria seen at the death of Princess Diana, then I might understand your point a little more.

All most are doing here is either expressing sympathy for Jade and her family, or finding a way to have a dig. I find it more of a concern that you're having a pop at the former.


Lol the clue is in his name DONKEY

did court the media with her cancer I watched her go through her treatment,as did millions of veiwers .
I meant that Kylie Minouge's entire career isn't based on living virtually every detail of her life in public and essentially nothing else. The details of Jade's everyday life have been public property through her own choice in a way in which Kylie Minouge's haven't.

Touched a nerve then :hihi:

Touched a nerve then :hihi:
Was that the intention?

No. As I said, I just find your position rather curious.

I meant that Kylie Minouge's entire career isn't based on living virtually every detail of her life in public and essentially nothing else. The details of Jade's everyday life have been public property through her own choice in a way in which Kylie Minouge's haven't.

AHHHHHHHHHH well kylie did her fair share of it and whatever Jade has done or hasn`t done shouldn`t matter <If someone payed me loads of wonga to get my tits out hell yeah Id do it and the remark she made in BB wasn`t as bad as what coolio said but because hes a black guy he gets away with it .repeating the n word several times bullying people in there .not one word has been said about him.

Was that the intention?

No. As I said, I just find your position rather curious.

Touched a nerve in the abusive idiot. As is clear from the abuse.

Just expressing my opinion. Not really that curious, I don't think.

I meant that Kylie Minouge's entire career isn't based on living virtually every detail of her life in public and essentially nothing else. The details of Jade's everyday life have been public property through her own choice in a way in which Kylie Minouge's haven't.

Kylie is very savvy and has always been in the media she just hasn`t made the mistakes jade has ,but because she make a few mistakes shes slaughtered for it .

God bless you jade. you didnt deserve this.x

It seems that it's the nature of the celebrity which prompts these sorts of posts. Tony Hart dies. We express our condolences to his family and sympathy at the loss of a public figure. Jade's on the verge of death. We express similar.


I've searched the Forum for a thread about Tony Hart dying and nothing came up.

Touched a nerve in the abusive idiot.

Just expressing my opinion. Not really that curious, I don't think.
Yes, I know. I'm not denying the opinion, I'm just mystified by it. The implication that expressing sympathy for a public figure and their family somehow diminishes the capacity to do similar in a more personal context is particularly odd.

Yes, I know. I'm not denying the opinion, I'm just mystified by it. The implication that expressing sympathy for a public figure and their family somehow diminishes the capacity to do similar in a more personal context is particularly odd.

Well that would be odd if that was my point.I think the interpretation you've put on the small bit you've selected (it was meant to be taken as a whole or I wouldn't have written it all) Is odd.

Well that would be odd if that was my point.
...Q: If people are so worried about the sufferings of others, why not take an interest in the problems of those around them?
Are the two mutually exclusive?

Are the two mutually exclusive?

Whatever. If you want to put a different interpretation on it from what I actually mean...be my guest.

I've searched the Forum for a thread about Tony Hart dying and nothing came up.http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445790&highlight=Tony+Hart
There you go ... only 44 replies though

Tony hart rip was 83!! how can you compare..... a young mum with little children ....

I've searched the Forum for a thread about Tony Hart dying and nothing came up.


You just need to put "Tony Hart" (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445790&highlight=tony+hart) into the search facility.

Whatever. If you want to put a different interpretation on it from what I actually mean...be my guest.


That's how I understood what you said too.

Whatever. If you want to put a different interpretation on it from what I actually mean...be my guest.
If I'm incorrect in my interpretation, feel free to clarify.

Tony hart rip was 83!! how can you compare..... a young mum with little children ....
That's my point. Expressions of sympathy for one elderly public figure and his family, without interference, criticism, justification or discussion. Expression of sympathy for another public figure - a young mum with children, as you say - and the backlash begins.

Some seem so invested in what they think about Jade that they aren't able to express sympathy for her plight and that of her family. Odd.

I have expressed sympathy for her just the lowlifes keep crawling out the wood work

i like jade and always have,she has had the worse upbringing any child could possibly have,she went in to big brother to better herself and by god she did.
she hasnt always done everything how it should be done or portrayed herselsf in a good light but i dont and never have thought she was a bad person,or racist,the same newspapers which villified her are now selling papers saying poor jade.
jade has and still is helping promote awareness for cervical cancer.
THE ONE THING JADE CANT BE ACCUSED OF IS BEING A BAD MOTHER,
and her boys will be heartbroken,
my mom used to say if you cant give someone a good name then dont give them a bad one.
there but for the grace of :confused:
i agree with every thing temptressuk has said on this thread

That's how I understood what you said too.

Really? and as a moderator, how did you interpret this comment

''Lol the clue is in his name DONKEY he missed the DICK OFF''

That's my point. Expressions of sympathy for one elderly public figure and his family, without interference, criticism, justification or discussion. Expression of sympathy for another public figure - a young mum with children, as you say - and the backlash begins.

Some seem so invested in what they think about Jade that they aren't able to express sympathy for her plight and that of her family. Odd.


You want me to clarify? All the attention being directed at Jade Goody has got almost nothing to do with her illness and almost everything to do with her manufactured celebrity status.

Is that not the appropriate response? Poor Jade and her family, it must be awful for them No kidding eh? Just like it would be for anyone. If I thought a few words of sympathy for jade would do anything to help, I'd be the first. But as I said before, this is just live soap opera.

Why not start a thread expressing sympathy for famine victims? It would theoretically even be possible to do something to help. The thing is, it hasn't got the ratings

You want me to clarify? All the attention being directed at Jade Goody has got almost nothing to do with her illness and almost everything to do with her manufactured celebrity status.

Is that not the appropriate response? Poor Jade and her family, it must be awful for them No kidding eh? Just like it would be for anyone. If I thought a few words of sympathy for jade would do anything to help, I'd be the first. But as I said before, this is just live soap opera.

Why not start a thread expressing sympathy for famine victims? It would theoretically even be possible to do something to help. The thing is, it hasn't got the ratings


Maybe it is a live soap opera, but I cant remember another young women/ mother in the public eye suffering from and eventually dying from Cervical Cancer ( please correct me if I am wrong) There are thousands of women , not going for smears, ignoring abnormal results, and now you cant even get a smear if you're under 25 !! i lost a friend at 22 to cervical cancer and knew someone else die at 17, so whilst the Soap Opera maybe isnt to everyone's tastes, there will be a number of young women who maybe see her plight and try to prevent their own. That can only be a good thing in my opinion.

I do agree overall with donkey and ruby79's perspective.

Maybe it is a live soap opera, but I cant remember another young women/ mother in the public eye suffering from and eventually dying from Cervical Cancer ( please correct me if I am wrong) There are thousands of women , not going for smears, ignoring abnormal results, and now you cant even get a smear if you're under 25 !! i lost a friend at 22 to cervical cancer and knew someone else die at 17, so whilst the Soap Opera maybe isnt to everyone's tastes, there will be a number of young women who maybe see her plight and try to prevent their own. That can only be a good thing in my opinion.

Fair enough. And if it leads to better early detection rates, all the publicity is indeed a good thing, but it's also a statement of the type of society we've become if the only way it becomes real to some people is when a media personality is the victim.

It brought a tear to my eye this morning, I just hope the nhs change their stance on smear tests, and she doesnt suffer too much in the next few weeks x

Fair enough. And if it leads to better early detection rates, all the publicity is indeed a good thing, but it's also a statement of the type of society we've become if the only way it becomes real to some people is when a media personality is the victim.

I'm afraid that's the type of society we've become. I'm hoping (but not holding my breath) that most will just tire of the repetitiveness of it all.

You want me to clarify? All the attention being directed at Jade Goody has got almost nothing to do with her illness and almost everything to do with her manufactured celebrity status. ...
Of course without her celebrity status she wouldn't be receiving the attention she is from the public. That much is obvious; without that she'd just be another poor cow with cancer. Who knows though, perhaps, in the absence of her fame, she might have been fortunate enough to participate in a community such as this, where others who didn't know her personally were moved by a stranger's plight sufficient to express sympathy. That much has certainly happened on here.

I think her 'manufactured celebrity status' is pertinent only to those who choose to use it against her; those who can't disassociate their dislike of what she represents from an otherwise pitifully sad situation.

Others of similar prominence, but in a different apparently more acceptable sphere have chosen to document their day to day struggle with terminal cancer. Because they've done so in the pages of The Observer rather than on the front page of The Sun, they haven't received the adverse reaction aimed at Jade Goody. I'm sure much of the nastiness aimed at her - from accusations of fakery, to invoking karma, or just the fundamental absence of the sympathy which would otherwise be directed at a cancer sufferer - owes much to snobbery. Perhaps if she'd managed to increase her vocabulary, or had a book deal with Vintage Press rather than a TV show on Living, the response might have been more supportive.
...Why not start a thread expressing sympathy for famine victims? It would theoretically even be possible to do something to help. The thing is, it hasn't got the ratings
You do realise it's not an either/or situation, don't you? That it's possible to simultaneously feel sadness for another's loss and compassion for victims of famine and conflict?

Who knows though, perhaps, in the absence of her fame, she might have been fortunate enough to participate in a community such as this, where others who didn't know her personally were moved by a stranger's plight sufficient to express sympathy. That much has certainly happened on here.


Do you think if someone started a thread about a close family member with cancer it would generate such a public outpouring of sympathy - and it nearly all is sympathy. I've looked for all those posts to which you refer, of people slagging Jade down, and being heartless, and there's only a handful, but they have been met with a vitriol similar to that which a medieval heretic might have encountered.


I think her 'manufactured celebrity status' is pertinent only to those who choose to use it against her; those who can't disassociate their dislike of what she represents from an otherwise pitifully sad situation.

Others of similar prominence, but in a different apparently more acceptable sphere have chosen to document their day to day struggle with terminal cancer. Because they've done so in the pages of The Observer rather than on the front page of The Sun


So anything other than a public declaration of sympathy for Jade - because dying of cancer is bad, right? - is either class snobbery, personal animosity, or heartlessness.


You do realise it's not an either/or situation, don't you? That it's possible to simultaneously feel sadness for another's loss and compassion for victims of famine and conflict?

It is possible, but the size of this thread is testament that celebrity status attracts more declarations of sympathy than huge disaters involving thousands of people. This implies a link to the public status of the person, more than the actual magnitude of the tragedy, which further indicates a soap opera type element of entertainment value. If pointing that out is tantamount to me being a heartless ghoul. Oh well!

I think it is a difficult situation for anyone to be in when told they have weeks or months to live & I can only imagine what a difficult time it is & will be for her family/thier family. What an awful situation for anyone to be in.

I think why Jade has been so publicised with her cancer is she has not wanted to face her illness alone & perhaps thought that the illness would not get to the stage that it has travelled to now. Having family, friends around you gives you encouragement in your darkest times & them being strong for you. I hope for anyone in Jade's situation is in a peaceful condition & in little pain as possible in the remaining time they have left.

Do you think if someone started a thread about a close family member with cancer it would generate such a public outpouring of sympathy - and it nearly all is sympathy. I've looked for all those posts to which you refer, of people slagging Jade down, and being heartless, and there's only a handful, but they have been met with a vitriol similar to that which a medieval heretic might have encountered.


Actually it does, just take a look at the one for Valentine. I personally don't like Jade Goody as a person however no family should have to go through what her and her family are. My thoughts are with her little boys and I hope they don't have to see their mum (who I'm sure they just think of as mum, not "that stupid woman off the telly") suffer too much. Celebrity or not what really matters is that a young mum is dying and her two little boys will have to grow up without her and that is a tragedy.

I sincerely hope that Jade's predicament prompts those who don't have their smear tests regularly to now do so.

Actually it does, just take a look at the one for Valentine.
It took that thread four days to get off page one - and that's for a local person with family and friends who might actually see and appreciate the support. This thread is on the fifth page after one day, and it's really not going to make a blind bit of difference to jade Goody and her family. It only goes to reinforce my point.

Do you think if someone started a thread about a close family member with cancer it would generate such a public outpouring of sympathy - and it nearly all is sympathy. ...
Yes. Similar has happened on here for lost forum members.
...I've looked for all those posts to which you refer, of people slagging Jade down, and being heartless, and there's only a handful, but they have been met with a vitriol similar to that which a medieval heretic might have encountered. ...
Medieval heretic? Don't be silly. Express your opinion on a public forum and you're going to receive a variety of responses, from the angry to the reasoned. Postings which suggest that Jade's cancer is some sort of karmic retribution, or that she might have shaved her head for a publicity boost, are likely to be responded to in kind.

Two threads previous to this have been deleted, by the way. You may have missed them.
...So anything other than a public declaration of sympathy for Jade - because dying of cancer is bad, right? - is either class snobbery, personal animosity, or heartlessness. ...
When someone is dying, or has died, I mostly take the view that if you can't say anything nice, better to turn off the TV/close the newspaper/switch to a different forum topic and say nothing at all, particularly if your contribution extends only to those responses I mentioned above.

The comments and opinions expressed about how she's choosing to die are fair enough, and that's where snobbery comes into it, I think. She's dying in the manner she lived. Folk lapped up the details of her life, now they're recoiling with squeamishness because she's being consistent and isn't choosing to hide the messy details from public sight. Jade documented her life in images, and she's mostly doing the same with her death. John Diamond did similar with words in the broadsheets and garnered an entirely different response.
...It is possible, but the size of this thread is testament that celebrity status attracts more declarations of sympathy than huge disaters involving thousands of people. ...
No, this thread turned into a lengthy discussion beyond the expressions of sympathy precisely because of posts like yours, and those opinions expressed elsewhere by alchesreach, basilrathbon et al.
...This implies a link to the public status of the person, more than the actual magnitude of the tragedy, which further indicates a soap opera type element of entertainment value. If pointing that out is tantamount to me being a heartless ghoul. Oh well!
As I pointed out in the post to which you're responding, she's a public figure. As with any public figure, she will receive a response proportionate to the exposure.

My aim in responding to your original post was not to question that point, but your implication that expressing sympathy for a public figure is done at the expense of expressing similar to those closer to home:
...Q: If people are so worried about the sufferings of others, why not take an interest in the problems of those around them?...
One does not preclude the other.

Donkey, you are single handedley keeping this thread going! And Jade and her celebrity status have provoked a reaction in you.. I think the point that your making is understandable, but especially for young women, under 35 the situation just strikes a cord. For us women under that age , we have lived in this media fuelled generation, and after all EVERY women has to have a smear and a lot have had abnormal results. I personally beleive that Cervical cancer is something that just feels very close to all women as we have to be screened for it from a young age. In fact i watched a programme only a year or so ago, regarding a young mum who died from it who was not a celebrity and it provoked the same reaction in me as to when i found out about Jade.

I think it is a difficult situation for anyone to be in when told they have weeks or months to live & I can only imagine what a difficult time it is & will be for her family/thier family. What an awful situation for anyone to be in.

I think why Jade has been so publicised with her cancer is she has not wanted to face her illness alone & perhaps thought that the illness would not get to the stage that it has travelled to now. Having family, friends around you gives you encouragement in your darkest times & them being strong for you. I hope for anyone in Jade's situation is in a peaceful condition & in little pain as possible in the remaining time they have left.
Good post young lady and approprately sensitive. As someone who has seen effects of this illness at close quarters, I agree with your sentiments whole-heartedly, she has all my sympathy.

I don't understand why so many are quick to condemn those who feel a modicom of sympathy for Jade's situation. Does one have to have lived an exemplary life to elicit empathy and sympathy when facing a horrible death at 27? As Hecate said on a earlier thread, her comments about Shilpa Shetty were no worse than many that abound on here daily and let's not forget that Jade is mixed race herself.

No one, from what I've seen, is suddenly hailing her a saint, bestowing her with Honours or bravery awards, they are simply expressing their sympathy for what is a horrible and tragic situation for anyone. I personally feel the same whenever I hear about anyone dying, particularly one so young with a young family.

I personally hope that she does not die in front of the cameras, and I doubt that she will for the sake of her sons.

I don't understand why so many are quick to condemn those who feel a modicom of sympathy for Jade's situation. Does one have to have lived an exemplary life to elicit empathy and sympathy when facing a horrible death at 27? As Hecate said on a earlier thread, her comments about Shilpa Shetty were no worse than many that abound on here daily and let's not forget that Jade is mixed race herself.

No one, from what I've seen, is suddenly hailing her a saint, bestowing her with Honours or bravery awards, they are simply expressing their sympathy for what is a horrible and tragic situation for anyone. I personally feel the same whenever I hear about anyone dying, particularly one so young with a young family.

I personally hope that she does not die in front of the cameras, and I doubt that she will for the sake of her sons.

Agreed. It's very strange how some people are. It's horrible for anyone to die from such a bad illness.

If her publicising it makes people more likely to have smear tests then something good can come out of it. I still don't understand why they changed the age to 25 as women in their early 20s do still get cervical cancer.

Fair enough. And if it leads to better early detection rates, all the publicity is indeed a good thing, but it's also a statement of the type of society we've become if the only way it becomes real to some people is when a media personality is the victim.

I don't think it does make it any more 'real' because she's a celebrity. I think everyone knows someone who has been affected by cancer so it's already real to a lot of people.

I don't like her, but his awful news for her and her family. Cancer is a horrible thing to have. I have lost both parents to cancer and its horrid to see someone deteriorate from it

I'm not really a fan of Jade, but It upset me when I heard the news. My mum and I saw photos of her a few days ago and said we didn't think she'd have long left. My dad went through a 7 year battle with bowel and liver cancer, which then spread to his Lungs, and he died 5 years ago. She looks ill and for people who have seen people dying of cancer, it's plainly obvious she's not faking it.

If my dad had the same opportunity Jade had to make as much money as possible before he died to leave us with enough for us not to worry, we'd be all for it. As it was, he didn't, and now we constantly struggle for money so I don't blame her one bit for trying to make as much out of it as she can.

Also, in response to comments about how she should be spending more time with her family, whilst that may be true, it may be too hard for her, and by keeping herself busy, it gives her a bit of sanity. I can honestly say, the only memories I have of dad during his illness are ones of seeing him wired up to machines in hospital, on a ventilator, and finally when we had him at home to die, him being literally skin and bones, and not even knowing who we were at the end. He was 49. Now tell me you'd want to make those kinds of memories for your kids. The things I remember I choose to remember from times before he was ill.

The sad part of Jades story is that her kids probably won't even remember her in 10 years time, I find it hard to remember stuff now and I was 20 when my dad died.

Just slightly off topic for a moment....there is a new vaccine out now given to all 13 year old girls which is supposed to stop you getting cervical cancer...
so hopefully we wont see young women dying of this awful cancer in years to come.

Sadly it came too late for Jade.

Just slightly off topic for a moment....there is a new vaccine out now given to all 13 year old girls which is supposed to stop you getting cervical cancer...
so hopefully we wont see young women dying of this awful cancer in years to come.

Sadly it came too late for Jade.

Been given to 13 yr old girls for the last six months ,all though they say it will help prevent this kind of cancer ,they are enforcing that tests still be done this is not a cure .............


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1555087/QandampA-on-cervical-cancer-jabs-for-girls.html

I went to the drs with my daughter aged 14 and asked about this vaccine they told me she had to be 13 and would not give it her?????
My other daughter is 23 and she asked over the smear and they told her she was too young?

Back to Jade like I said on the other jade threads, good luck to the lass earning money for her kids. If you found out you were going to die in the next few month would you not want to make sure your family would be secure.

private pap test £90

HPV (Human Papilloma Virus) Vaccination
The price for the complete course of 3 injections, including consultation fees, at the STDConsultancy, is £300.00

Just slightly off topic for a moment....there is a new vaccine out now given to all 13 year old girls which is supposed to stop you getting cervical cancer...
so hopefully we wont see young women dying of this awful cancer in years to come.

Sadly it came too late for Jade.



Do you still need to go for smear tests after having the vaccine?

Even if you have the vaccine, you must continue attending for regular smears. This is because the jab cannot protect you against all strains of HPV.

HPV has no symptoms - so don’t think 'I haven't got any symptoms and I feel perfectly well, so I don’t need smear tests.' You do.

Similarly, if your 12-year-old daughter is given the vaccine, she too will need to have smear tests throughout her adult life

I went to the drs with my daughter aged 14 and asked about this vaccine they told me she had to be 13 and would not give it her?????
My other daughter is 23 and she asked over the smear and they told her she was too young?

Probably because you need to have the vaccine before you become sexually active as it won't work once you have the virus. I read somewhere that between 60-80% of women have come into contact with HPV at some time and most will shake it off, but not all.

Perhaps she should be screened for the virus first and then have the vaccination. She will still need regular smears though as it does not protect against all strains.

According to press reports in today's papers, she has weeks rather than months. It's scary to think how from an initial diagnosis in August and being given a 40% chance of survival, 6 months later she is on her last legs.

Probably because you need to have the vaccine before you become sexually active as it won't work once you have the virus. I read somewhere that between 60-80% of women have come into contact with HPV at some time and most will shake it off, but not all.

Perhaps she should be screened for the virus first and then have the vaccination. She will still need regular smears though as it does not protect against all strains.

It's just because of the way the NHS is rolling out the vaccine. It was initially offered to those aged 12-13 and is gradually being rolled out to those up to 18, she should get it eventually.

Some of the replies that have been posted on this subject (mainly via another thread) are almost beyond belief, quite frankly.

One poster even suggested that Jade really didn't have cancer - and that it was all a scam!!! I think this comment said far more about the poster than it did about anything else...

Here's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7890002.stm) a very real, human, interview with Max Clifford.

I probably won't be replying to anyone who thinks I'm talking crap - as I really can't be bothered to justify my opinions. The woman's dying - not only has she got that to deal with that, she's got kids to provide for and the last few months of her life to plan.

If you're in that position, then you can perhaps judge - until then, it might be prudent to thank your lucky stars you're not.

Some of the replies that have been posted on this subject (mainly via another thread) are almost beyond belief, quite frankly.

One poster even suggested that Jade really didn't have cancer - and that it was all a scam!!! I think this comment said far more about the poster than it did about anything else...

Here's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7890002.stm) a very real, human, interview with Max Clifford.

I probably won't be replying to anyone who thinks I'm talking crap - as I really can't be bothered to justify my opinions. The woman's dying - not only has she got that to deal with that, she's got kids to provide for and the last few months of her life to plan.

If you're in that position, then you can perhaps judge - until then, it might be prudent to thank your lucky stars you're not.

I agree, some of these comments defy belief, regardless of whether the posters were being deliberately provocative or they really believed what they wrote.

I really feel for Jade and her family, she is not much older than me and the thought of me not being here to see my kids grow up, I just can't imagine it.

I hope the media has the sense to know when enough is enough and leave her alone for both her and her sons sake.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455612&highlight=chav

the thread you asked for one of them anyway

Nope thats not it i posted in the one I was on about where people were going as far as saying she deserved it for making a silly comment and she was faking it.. well if thats the case what do you deserve for wishing death on someone ? Just so you know thats 10x worse than a racist comment.. FACT not IMO... FACT.

These are the same <blank> who will get up on their high horse morally about all sorts of <blank> and then come out with stuff like that..

you know who you are you sick ********

I do not like this person but feel for her in her last weeks or months. Nobody deserves this !

Nope thats not it i posted in the one I was on about where people were going as far as saying she deserved it for making a silly comment and she was faking it.. well if thats the case what do you deserve for wishing death on someone ? Just so you know thats 10x worse than a racist comment.. FACT not IMO... FACT.

These are the same <blank> who will get up on their high horse morally about all sorts of <blank> and then come out with stuff like that..

you know who you are you sick ********

So far the low lifes have remained in the wood work ,but they will crawl out eventually...........

I dont really feel sad for Jade Goody. I dont feel happy about it, but I'm not sad.

It so sad that Jade has only so few months left to live. I cant believe that she is only 27 and is a young mum to two young children.

I feel so for her, and just pray that the time she has left is spent with her children and family and she gets some happiness from it and peace and comfort.

The people who are saying that this is all about Jade and her suffering and that nothing postive is coming out of it, I totally disgree with you all. This young girl is suffering at 27 years of age and has had the courage to go public with it so that women dont put their smears off and do go and get checked out so that it does not happen to them. I have always thought that Jade is a inspiration to me she has gone on and done what she wants to do and not cared about what anyone has said about her.

She is now only bothered about making financial arrangements for ther education. Just think this young woman wont see her own kids grow up, can you imagine how that must feel?? I know I cant.

So all the people out there who are been horrid about Jade, just think it could be anyone, people you know and love. So please give this lady a break I think she is one of the most brave and courageous people who I have heard about.

God Bless Jade I hope a miracle happens for you.

Love lisa xx

I do not like this person but feel for her in her last weeks or months. Nobody deserves this !

I think the point is Patty, or at least one that I have been trying to make, you don't have to like someone to feel for them. It is very sad & awful for her to deal with the fact that had she not ignored that letter, she wouldn't be dying. I hope that she is able to find some resolution and inner peace before she dies.

I'm guilty of having put off smears in the past, every woman hates them, but 2 minutes of discomfort can save your life.

that is sad news
Oh well life goes on and am sure it shall for her family with the payment from The Sun for the last interview given

that is sad news
Oh well life goes on and am sure it shall for her family with the payment from The Sun for the last interview given

Aren`t you just lovely ,I wonder if you would be saying that if one of your relatives had cancer ??????????? I bet you woundn`t

that is sad news
Oh well life goes on and am sure it shall for her family with the payment from The Sun for the last interview given

My original comment to you was deleted because apparently it was deemed to be offensive.

This one isn't however, and doesn't break any rules, but read between the lines at what I might have said.

Like Shedevil says, I wonder if you'd think differently if this were your Sister, or Mother.

I'm sure a lot of people would feel differently if it were their sister or mother, I know I would. Are we expected to feel as bad for a complete stranger as we do for close members of our own family?

In my head, I think how terrible her kids have to grow up without a mother. But I dont feel bad for her. I also think shes still a money grabbing chav, cancer or no cancer.

I didn't like her before the cancer. So should I pretend that my opinions changed just because she is ill?

I'm sure a lot of people would feel differently if it were their sister or mother, I know I would. Are we expected to feel as bad for a complete stranger as we do for close members of our own family?

In my head, I think how terrible her kids have to grow up without a mother. But I dont feel bad for her. I also think shes still a money grabbing chav, cancer or no cancer.

I didn't like her before the cancer. So should I pretend that my opinions changed just because she is ill?

I don't think anyone should change their views about her, however, one can still feel sympathy for someone one doesn't know or even like.

it was on the cards really, as soon as she was diagnosed with cervical cancer.

:(

Why do you think that? My mum was diagnosed in 1983 with cervical cancer and had chemo and radiotherapy - she has just celebrated her 76th birthday!

Jade on the other hand may not have had her cancer diagnosed as quickly as my mum and therefore it has now spread to other parts of her body.

My heart does go out to Jade and especially her children who are going to have to grow up without a mum.

No-one on earth "deserves" to have cancer.

I cannot believe some of the vile comments I have read on various threads relating to Jade's illness. She is a seriously ill young lady and doesn't deserve any bad mouthing comments from anyone and certainly people who may never have suffered anything so tragic either to themselves or anyone close to them.

Lots of people have written diaries when they are dying of cancer. I remember reading one in a weekly - cannot remember now which one is what but it could have been Take a Break - and I cannot remember anyone slagging them off (maybe because no-one actually knew who they were!) for writing about their illness in a weekly magazine (and getting paid for it I would imagine). So what is the difference between some unknown person telling their "story" and Jade Goody?

My sympathy goes to ALL of Jade Goody's family and that includes her mum and dad who must be having a really awful time at the moment. Not only watching their beloved daughter going through all this pain but also all the back stabbing and bitching even in her last month's of life.

What a truly awful and pathetic world we live in when we cannot offer someone sympathy or empathy in such a situation.
But my philosophy is what goes around come around!

This is such sad news. I can't stop thinking about it. The rate at which she has deteriorated is shocking.

The reason she is doing interviews etc, is to earn money for her children.

I hope the days she has left are as happy and pain free as they can be.

My thoughts are with her.

So far the low lifes have remained in the wood work ,but they will crawl out eventually...........

<yawn> if you're looking for an argument you're wasting your time. I've nothing new to add to what I've already said on the other thread.

It seems to me that Dianasteria is starting to affect some people. You don't know her other than watching trashy TV and you can't seem to get a grip that some people don't have the same viewpoint as you.

There are thousands of brave women out there dying from cancer who will be leaving children behind. They don't have the option to ring up Max Clifford and get a big cash payout for their children.

Look at Jane Tomlinson, did she use her last days topping up her kids savings? No, she worked tirelessly to the end getting every penny towards Cancer Research.

This is such sad news. I can't stop thinking about it. The rate at which she has deteriorated is shocking.

The reason she is doing interviews etc, is to earn money for her children.

I hope the days she has left are as happy and pain free as they can be.

My thoughts are with her.

It's been going through my head for a while now as well. Definately makes me want to take a smear test, after all I may only be young but so is Jade.

I can't blame the poor girl for wanting to raise lots of money - who wouldn't want the best for their children? I think she is being so brave baring all to the public just to secure a nice future for her boys, not many people would have the courage to do that.

I've been reading on here and seen that its £90 to go private, which is too expensive for me, but im 6 years off 25 so does that mean I won't get one on the NHS either? After hearing about this, and all the other cases that haven't been treated early enough, I want to have one, just in case.

<yawn> if you're looking for an argument you're wasting your time. I've nothing new to add to what I've already said on the other thread.

It seems to me that Dianasteria is starting to affect some people. You don't know her other than watching trashy TV and you can't seem to get a grip that some people don't have the same viewpoint as you.

There are thousands of brave women out there dying from cancer who will be leaving children behind. They don't have the option to ring up Max Clifford and get a big cash payout for their children.

Look at Jane Tomlinson, did she use her last days topping up her kids savings? No, she worked tirelessly to the end getting every penny towards Cancer Research.
Yes, you keep reminding us of St Jane.:rolleyes: As I said before, she wasn't beyond reproach either, she was accused of faking her prognosis as she outlived it for years and was also criticised for not spending enough time with her family and devoting her time to fund raising instead. You can't win, eveyone deals with these situations differently. Besides Jade, even if she were so inclined, has hardly had time, who's to say that if she hadn't been in and out of surgeries and gruelling debilitating treatments, maybe she would be raising money.

I find your attitude sickening.

I find your attitude sickening.

Why? Because I refuse to do the public outburst of emotion for "Brave Jade"?

I don't know her so why should I?

Why don't you take a look in the obituary section of The Star. Would you grieve for the names there? Would you grieve for a 27 year old dental nurse called Jade Goody if she had never been on Big Brother?

I feel very sad for ANYONE who is diagnosed with a terminal illness, I felt very sad for the young girl killed in the sledging accident ,I didnt know her but it didnt stop me feeling for her family and relatives.

I read the deaths in the Star and do feel sad for any young person I see in there...even though I didnt know them personally, I suppose its called compassion for another human being, I dont know, obviously something some people dont have :rolleyes:

I feel very sad for ANYONE who is diagnosed with a terminal illness, I felt very sad for the young girl killed in the sledging accident ,I didnt know her but it didnt stop me feeling for her family and relatives.

I read the deaths in the Star and do feel sad for any young person I see in there...even though I didnt know them personally, I suppose its called compassion for another human being, I dont know, obviously something some people dont have :rolleyes:

Just put them on perm ignore and they disappear and lets hope they don`t get cancer themselves

Why? Because I refuse to do the public outburst of emotion for "Brave Jade"?

I don't know her so why should I?

Why don't you take a look in the obituary section of The Star. Would you grieve for the names there? Would you grieve for a 27 year old dental nurse called Jade Goody if she had never been on Big Brother?

And yet you almost felt sorry for Stuart Slann. Is he a close personal friend, or are you being just a tad hypocritical?

I know next to nothing about Jade and had never heard of her before a month ago. But what I find sad, and many have mentioned it, is that she will never see her children grow up and they will be left without their mother. Thing is, this sort of thing happens frequently but the difference is, it isn't happening to someone famous. If the publicity surrounding her illness makes even one woman get screened who had put if off, then I think its all worth it.

bless her man, that's sad.

I dont know if it is just coincidence...I work in a GP surgery, over the last week I have had numerous enquiries from women about having a smear tests, obviously the publicity surrounding Jade is making women more aware of having their checks.

A question to the people on here moaning about all the publicity she is getting, what if their wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter etc was shocked into getting a smear because of Jades story and was found to have abnormal cells but because it was caught early enough was curable,

would they still be slagging off a dying woman....:confused:

I feel very sad for ANYONE who is diagnosed with a terminal illness, I felt very sad for the young girl killed in the sledging accident ,I didnt know her but it didnt stop me feeling for her family and relatives.

I read the deaths in the Star and do feel sad for any young person I see in there...even though I didnt know them personally, I suppose its called compassion for another human being, I dont know, obviously something some people dont have :rolleyes:

Thats not really fair. I dont care about Jade Goody whether she has cancer or not but that doesn't mean I am not a compassionate person.

I can see that its terrible for her children, however, loads of children are left motherless by cancer every year.

Someone in my office was crying about Jade Goody this morning, which I find galling as just a year ago that same person was slagging her off for being fat and stupid. Whereas I myself have spent a lot of energy fundraising for cancer charities, but dont give two hoots about Jade. So who's more compassionate, me or ms crocodile tears?

Whoever compared this to Dianamania was quite right.

Jade and Jack have exchanged rings, but theyre still planning a proper wedding before anything tragic happens. Shes doing everything for her boys, including making a memory box so they dont forget her which isnt likely anyway. The boys are with their dad for now too.
Having had the early stages of cervical cancer myself, I count myself very lucky. My heart just breaks when I think of Jade and her family, bless them all x

I'm sure a lot of people would feel differently if it were their sister or mother, I know I would. Are we expected to feel as bad for a complete stranger as we do for close members of our own family?

In my head, I think how terrible her kids have to grow up without a mother. But I dont feel bad for her. I also think shes still a money grabbing chav, cancer or no cancer.

I didn't like her before the cancer. So should I pretend that my opinions changed just because she is ill?

Why is she a chav ? even before big bro she had a job and since she's worked and paid tax like everyone else. To me a chav is a low life benefit scum, who have never worked and bleed the state dry while having many children who they cant / wont pay to support. Yes she's from a poor upbringing but , and whilst i havent agreed with some of the things she's done she made the most of what she saw as her opportunity to improve her life. And for that she has more brains than some of the idiots posting on this thread. If she didnt actually interest or bother you, you wouldnt post.

Good luck Jade, you got dealt a crappy hand, make the most of what you have left.

I think it is terrible and hopefully she raises the awareness like she said she wants to.

I think she has already ..........................

Thats not really fair. I dont care about Jade Goody whether she has cancer or not but that doesn't mean I am not a compassionate person.

I can see that its terrible for her children, however, loads of children are left motherless by cancer every year.

Someone in my office was crying about Jade Goody this morning, which I find galling as just a year ago that same person was slagging her off for being fat and stupid. Whereas I myself have spent a lot of energy fundraising for cancer charities, but dont give two hoots about Jade. So who's more compassionate, me or ms crocodile tears?

Whoever compared this to Dianamania was quite right.

Whatever anyone thinks of her if she has made Just one woman or girl think maybe I should go and get checked out ,isn't that good for crying out loud she is dying does it matter she doesn`t fit into someones perfect idea of an ideal mother ,Jade is who she is ,love her or loath her <shes a mom and she loves he kids ...As someone put on another site "they called her a media whore" because she gets paid for being in the press ,so by his definition someone whose in the press and female(as the term is used to call a female )and gets paid for interviews makes her a media whore..........Don`t you just love there logic ,so if thats the truth ......by his thinking I`m a media whore too ,Don`t you just love there way of thinking ,Jade your OK in my book

I feel very sad for ANYONE who is diagnosed with a terminal illness, I felt very sad for the young girl killed in the sledging accident ,I didnt know her but it didnt stop me feeling for her family and relatives.

I read the deaths in the Star and do feel sad for any young person I see in there...even though I didnt know them personally, I suppose its called compassion for another human being, I dont know, obviously something some people dont have :rolleyes:

Quite.

I didn't personally know Martin Luther King and wasn't even born when he was alive, however I find it shocking and tragic that he was killed. And like you Shaznay, hearing or reading about anyone struck down in their prime, so young, leaving behind young children always without fail saddens me.

Quite.

I didn't personally know Martin Luther King and wasn't even born when he was alive, however I find it shocking and tragic that he was killed. And like you Shaznay, hearing or reading about anyone struck down in their prime, so young, leaving behind young children always without fail saddens me.

To feel sympathy for someone is a human traite some possibly have no feelings whatsoever so now I just stick the arsewipes on ignore .

Thats not really fair. I dont care about Jade Goody whether she has cancer or not but that doesn't mean I am not a compassionate person.

I can see that its terrible for her children, however, loads of children are left motherless by cancer every year.

Someone in my office was crying about Jade Goody this morning, which I find galling as just a year ago that same person was slagging her off for being fat and stupid. Whereas I myself have spent a lot of energy fundraising for cancer charities, but dont give two hoots about Jade. So who's more compassionate, me or ms crocodile tears?

Whoever compared this to Dianamania was quite right.

You must have some human qualities, you were bleating about giving your old clothes to the homeless not long ago. Do you feel any sympathy for those lot of jobless druggy wasters :rolleyes:

You must have some human qualities, you were bleating about giving your old clothes to the homeless not long ago. Do you feel any sympathy for those lot of jobless druggy wasters :rolleyes:

Seems only when it suits them A J

This is such sad news. I can't stop thinking about it. The rate at which she has deteriorated is shocking.

The reason she is doing interviews etc, is to earn money for her children.

I hope the days she has left are as happy and pain free as they can be.

My thoughts are with her.

I agree with what you say and I too feel so sorry for her and her children who will be left without a mother and nobody else stable to bring them up, but surely instead of doing interviews, TV programmes and shopping for wedding dresses and planning a wedding she should be spending as much quality time as she possibly can with those children.

I agree with what you say and I too feel so sorry for her and her children who will be left without a mother and nobody else stable to bring them up, but surely instead of doing interviews, TV programmes and shopping for wedding dresses and planning a wedding she should be spending as much quality time as she possibly can with those children.

I thought how nice till i saw the knife go in amazing ,she is thinking of her kids and if this is what she does to secure her kids future who are you or I to question her...............

You must have some human qualities, you were bleating about giving your old clothes to the homeless not long ago. Do you feel any sympathy for those lot of jobless druggy wasters :rolleyes:


Thanks for proving my point you two. Despite my many 'human qualities' I see no need to get hysterical about a z list celebritiy who I dont even know. You obviously do but then each to their own. Good day sir :)

As with anyone who has cancer or any other terminal disease, whatever their age - it's very very sad. The thought of having to leave my little boy is beyond words, i cannot even begin to imagine what she must be going through. I really hope Jade's last months are as painfree as possible and she gets to spend as much time with her little boys as she can

I agree with what you say and I too feel so sorry for her and her children who will be left without a mother and nobody else stable to bring them up, but surely instead of doing interviews, TV programmes and shopping for wedding dresses and planning a wedding she should be spending as much quality time as she possibly can with those children.

But that is how she has live her entire adult life so she is trying to continue in the same vein and business as usual. It probably distracts her, stops her focusing on her imminent demise and wallowing in self-pity, the same way as someone would continue to do their day job for as long as possible as I assume it must give her a sense of purpose and some semblance of normality, keeping her sanity in check.

As with anyone who has cancer or any other terminal disease, whatever their age - it's very very sad. The thought of having to leave my little boy is beyond words, i cannot even begin to imagine what she must be going through. I really hope Jade's last months are as painfree as possible and she gets to spend as much time with her little boys as she can

I think this may be at the crux of the polarised reactions; I suspect that those of us with children are feeling more empathy for her than those who don't have any. As a parent, one of your greatest fears is not being around for your kids.

I don't see anyone getting hysterical about the fate of Jade Goody.
I see plenty of compassion, thank goodness.

Yes there are many children left mother/fatherless each day and those cases are equally as tragic as Jade's. However, as we don't get to hear about them we can't comment on them.

To those people who see no tragedy in Jade's situation, well, I think that says far more about you than you think.

I think this may be at the crux of the polarised reactions; I suspect that those of us with children are feeling more empathy for her than those who don't have any. As a parent, one of your greatest fears is not being around for your kids.

I think you're right.
Not being there for my kids when I was diagnosed with cancer was the thing that terrified me the most.

However, even to those who have no kids, surely it doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to imagine the devastation a four year old and five year old will feel at the death of their mother?

I think you're right.
Not being there for my kids when I was diagnosed with cancer was the thing that terrified me the most.

However, even to those who have no kids, surely it doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to imagine the devastation a four year old and five year old will feel at the death of their mother?

I can imagine (and sorry to hear about your experience), it is a truly terrifying prospect, not only to not be there for them, to love, nurture and bring them up (as most parents, if like me, think they are the best person to bring up their kids), but to also be confronted with the prospect (or in Jade's case, the knowledge) that the years ahead of them will be missed out on. I once convinced myself I had lymphoma (which I didn't) and got hysterical at the prospect of not being there for them and that even if my husband went onto have another relationship, it would be with someone who could not possibly love them in the way in which I, as their mother, do.

Thanks for proving my point you two. Despite my many 'human qualities' I see no need to get hysterical about a z list celebritiy who I dont even know. You obviously do but then each to their own. Good day sir :)

I havent seen anyone get hysterical...just folks expressing their sadness thats all, whats so wrong about that ?:rolleyes:

Never met her, dont care a jot about her or her family, dont want to read anymore bleeding heart crap about, as someone else called her, a z list personality. The country is going to rack and ruin the underprivaliged are even more so we have families with their heads well and truly under the poverty line through no fault of their own and all you bleeding heart (jump on the pity bandwagon) posters can get het up about is some ugly minger that has contracted a disease that tens of thousands catch every year... Put your sorrow and concern in the charity tins for those that really need the help and attention... Jade Goody certianly doesnt need nor deserve it.... :rant::mad:

I don't see anyone getting hysterical about the fate of Jade Goody.
I see plenty of compassion, thank goodness.

Yes there are many children left mother/fatherless each day and those cases are equally as tragic as Jade's. However, as we don't get to hear about them we can't comment on them.

To those people who see no tragedy in Jade's situation, well, I think that says far more about you than you think.

I agree with all of the above. I haven't seen any hysteria, this colleague of kthebean's admittedly is a bit of an over the top reaction but perhaps she feels guilty for having totally slagged off Jade, not that long ago, something we're most probably all guilty of, me included. However, as I have pointed out numerous times, I don't see the 2 (not liking someone) and feeling compassion and sympathy when they're told they're dying, as mutually exclusive.

I can imagine (and sorry to hear about your experience), it is a truly terrifying prospect, not only to not be there for them, to love, nurture and bring them up (as most parents, if like me, think they are the best person to bring up their kids), but to also be confronted with the prospect (or in Jade's case, the knowledge) that the years ahead of them will be missed out on. I once convinced myself I had lymphoma (which I didn't) and got hysterical at the prospect of not being there for them and that even if my husband went onto have another relationship, it would be with someone who could not possibly love them in the way in which I, as their mother, do.

I had only 24 hours where I thought my cancer had become terminal and in that time I could hardly bring myself to look at my daughter who was only 2 and a half. The thought that I would not be there for her was unbearable and there was no escaping those thoughts.
The terror, despair and grief is almost disabling.

How someone, like Jade, feels when they ARE facing that as their reality breaks my heart.

I was very lucky, I'm ok now but Jade's situation brings it home for a lot of people that there but for the grace of God go all of us.

Never met her, dont care a jot about her or her family, dont want to read anymore bleeding heart crap about, as someone else called her, a z list personality. The country is going to rack and ruin the underprivaliged are even more so we have families with their heads well and truly under the poverty line through no fault of their own and all you bleeding heart (jump on the pity bandwagon) posters can get het up about is some ugly minger that has contracted a disease that tens of thousands catch every year... Put your sorrow and concern in the charity tins for those that really need the help and attention... Jade Goody certianly doesnt need nor deserve it.... :rant::mad:

What relevance do her physical attributes have to whether or not she is deserving or not? And how do you know that we don't donate money to various charities? I try and do my bit and raise money for cancer research, I frequently shop in charity shops and donate when I can.

If it bugs you so much, then don't read about it.:rolleyes:

Never met her, dont care a jot about her or her family, dont want to read anymore bleeding heart crap about, as someone else called her, a z list personality. The country is going to rack and ruin the underprivaliged are even more so we have families with their heads well and truly under the poverty line through no fault of their own and all you bleeding heart (jump on the pity bandwagon) posters can get het up about is some ugly minger that has contracted a disease that tens of thousands catch every year... Put your sorrow and concern in the charity tins for those that really need the help and attention... Jade Goody certianly doesnt need nor deserve it.... :rant::mad:

On the contrary, I'm heartened to hear so many people responding compassionately to this tragedy.
You are in the minority, thank goodness. Keep your hate and venom to yourself, it is not welcome here.

I had only 24 hours where I thought my cancer had become terminal and in that time I could hardly bring myself to look at my daughter who was only 2 and a half. The thought that I would not be there for her was unbearable and there was no escaping those thoughts.
The terror, despair and grief is almost disabling.

How someone, like Jade, feels when they ARE facing that as their reality breaks my heart.

I was very lucky, I'm ok now but Jade's situation brings it home for a lot of people that there but for the grace of God go all of us.


You poor thing, thankfully, yours has been a positive outcome. As you say, there but for the grace of god, it could be any one of us, none of us know if and when cancer will come knocking at our doors.

I know of a few women who've died young from cancer and it is truly tragic when it happens to anyone and desperately sad when children are left behind.

I agree with what you say and I too feel so sorry for her and her children who will be left without a mother and nobody else stable to bring them up, but surely instead of doing interviews, TV programmes and shopping for wedding dresses and planning a wedding she should be spending as much quality time as she possibly can with those children.

Do you get up each morning fit ,well .Do you have kids ?grand kids sister,mother ......can you imagine being told you have months to live ,and wont see your kids grow up,obviously not ,I`m not even going to get angry with you, I actually pity you as it seems you don`t have the compassion you say you have ,maybe you do have it ,but for those that you think deserve it ,if i was you hang on to it ,as it will keep you warm when all around you have left you to yourself.
The reality of cancer it is a painful and soul destroying thing.................Cancer doesn`t just affect the person with it

I wager that at least 50% of the people railing about Jade's Z lister status are those who buy crappy celeb mags and watch reality TV.

If people are genuinely compassionate, they demonstrate it to those they come into contact with in real life, rather than screaming about how sympathetic and kind hearted they are on an internet forum, and immediately proving it's not true by spewing vitriol on anyone they feel has not adopted the right attitude (theirs).

The genuinely compassionate people who I know demonstrate it by trying to understand others rather than passing harsh judgements on them with the scantest of evidence.

Words are cheap, and actions speak louder than words. eg.
A person on here who campaigns for cancer sufferers, seems to be getting a lot of stick off those who think they have proved how good they are, just by typing out a few hollow words and then using these false declarations of their own compassion as an excuse to condemn others who's opinions they do not understand. To me that smacks of narrow mindedness, which is pretty much the opposite of compassion.

Jade choosing to live out her final months in public, is a good thing in my opinion. She will leave a substantial amount of money behind, for her sons. Also this will have pushed hundreds if not thousands of women, in to going for a cervical smear test. My sister is one of them and has just completed treatment for pre cancerous cells.

A few years ago Coranation street had a storyline, where the character Alma died of the said cancer. I was overdue my smear, so got it done. the results were abnomal and I too had treatment to remove pre cancerous cells. i now have to go every 12 mths.

Jade choosing to live out her final months in public, is a good thing in my opinion. She will leave a substantial amount of money behind, for her sons. Also this will have pushed hundreds if not thousands of women, in to going for a cervical smear test. My sister is one of them and has just completed treatment for pre cancerous cells.

A few years ago Coranation street had a storyline, where the character Alma died of the said cancer. I was overdue my smear, so got it done. the results were abnomal and I too had treatment to remove pre cancerous cells. i now have to go every 12 mths.

Gosh, I forgot about that whole Corrie storyline, but now you mention it, remember it well. That out the fear of god into me although I had recently had a normal smear, but it was still scary.

I know a lot of women who've had treatment for pre-cancerous cells and tumours, most of whom woul not be alive today if it were not for the cervical screening programme. Apparently, the take up of smears has increased by 20% which can only be a good thing.

Maybe one day, when her kids are much older, they wil draw some comfort from all her interviews and talk about her love of her boys.

I was so sad to hear about Jade on the news over the weekend. I cant begin to understand what she must be going through and the fact that she will never see her kids grow up. She is only 27 and has been given a death sentence which must be absolutely devastating to the core. I can only assume that the cervical cancer she was diagnosed with was diagnosed far too late, maybe through not going for smear tests or it just wasnt picked up, whatever the reason, girls we must go for our smear tests however uncomfortable, painful or embarrassing they may be we must have them.

Never met her, dont care a jot about her or her family, dont want to read anymore bleeding heart crap about, as someone else called her, a z list personality. The country is going to rack and ruin the underprivaliged are even more so we have families with their heads well and truly under the poverty line through no fault of their own and all you bleeding heart (jump on the pity bandwagon) posters can get het up about is some ugly minger that has contracted a disease that tens of thousands catch every year... Put your sorrow and concern in the charity tins for those that really need the help and attention... Jade Goody certianly doesnt need nor deserve it.... :rant::mad:

I think this post says far more about you than it does about Jade Goody. Was that your intention?

I think this post says far more about you than it does about Jade Goody. Was that your intention?

Who knows? :rolleyes:

It must give her and her family some comfort to know that people are sympathetic about her situation. I know from what Gloria Hunniford has said about her daughter, Caron Keating's death, that she drew enormous strength from the sadness expressed by the public who grew up with Caron Keating presenting Blue Peter. Family members of other celebtiries who have died have also said it helped them in their bleakest and darkest moments and I know how much comfort people say a sympathy card can bring.

I'm rubbish with the searches but when I start writing a new topic/thread it brings up any related topics which I think is much better.

So is it true that the Harrods guy bought her a dress and she is getting married in one of Elton John's houses?

I'm rubbish with the searches but when I start writing a new topic/thread it brings up any related topics which I think is much better.

So is it true that the Harrods guy bought her a dress and she is getting married in one of Elton John's houses?

:confused:

Are you on the right thread? I have no idea of the details.

:confused:

Are you on the right thread? I have no idea of the details.

Yeah it was on bbc.co.uk today.

Yeah it was on bbc.co.uk today.

I might have known Al Fayed would try and garner some media exposure from this and try and make himself look benevolent. That man really is odious and a hypocrite.

Sorry for the rant and to go off topic, but grrrrrrrrr . . . .

aaawww poor Jade, I watched her show last night and its so sad, poor her poor Jades mum and kids. I can understand why she would want to get married before the end. Ive know folk get married when one partner is days from the end and it made both of them so happy even if only for a short while for one of them, so go for it girl!
Such a terrible disease robbing folk of their loved ones so young.

To those people who see no tragedy in Jade's situation, well, I think that says far more about you than you think.

So, tapping a few words about what compassion you feel at the demise of a celebrity you don't even know is the ultimate proof of the love you radiate towards all human kind? And when you write your harsh judgements about the characters of others who take a cynical view of the whole media circus aspect to this great outpouring of public sympathy, you no doubt condemn them with the greatest loving kindness too. Oh, if only my hard heart could be so pure and loving.

So, tapping a few words about what compassion you feel at the demise of a celebrity you don't even know is the ultimate proof of the love you radiate towards all human kind? And when you write your harsh judgements about the characters of others who take a cynical view of the whole media circus aspect to this great outpouring of public sympathy, you no doubt condemn them with the greatest loving kindness too. Oh, if only my hard heart could be so pure and loving.

and repeating what others have already said make you wise and intelligent does it?

Why is a thread about someone dying of cancer been put in the entertainment bit?
Seems like a very sick joke to me.

Why is a thread about someone dying of cancer been put in the entertainment bit?
Seems like a very sick joke to me.
Because she is a figure known solely through being in the entertainment industry. All threads relating to such people are put in here. If anyone has any further queries or complaints on it's location, please refer them to the Help Desk.

Because she is a figure known solely through being in the entertainment industry. All threads relating to such people are put in here. If anyone has any further queries or complaints on it's location, please refer them to the Help Desk.

Thankyou for your explanaition

and repeating what others have already said make you wise and intelligent does it?

I'm not claiming to be wise and intelligent. If I've repeated something someone else said I did it unknowingly, and it indicates that there's truth in it. I'd be interested to read this post I've repeated. Where is it?

So, tapping a few words about what compassion you feel at the demise of a celebrity you don't even know is the ultimate proof of the love you radiate towards all human kind? ...
Gold star for outrageous sarcasm :hihi: . I'll assume your question is rhetorical and move on.

In reference to Bagger's post: of course you're judged by what you post on here. If you post that you believe that Jade's cancer is due to karmic intervention, or that you demand proof of her cancer other than the words of her representatives and a bald head, then someone will extract a little snippet of your character based on what your words betray.

It's those words which have provoked the over-the-top emotion on this thread, as well as the belittling sarcasm generated in response to that emotion. There's been no wailing, bawling, Diana-esque faux grief at Jade's predicament, only shocked amazement that a story about someone dying of cancer could prompt such provocative insensitivity. Without those posts, this thread - and the two deleted ones - would have trundled along quite nicely for a few pages, composed of posts expressing a few kind words of sympathy at another's pitiful state.

Gold star for outrageous sarcasm :hihi: . I'll assume your question is rhetorical and move on.

In reference to Bagger's post: of course you're judged by what you post on here. If you post that you believe that Jade's cancer is due to karmic intervention, or that you demand proof of her cancer other than the words of her representatives and a bald head, then someone will extract a little snippet of your character based on what your words betray.

It's those words which have provoked the over-the-top emotion on this thread, as well as the belittling sarcasm generated in response to that emotion. There's been no wailing, bawling, Diana-esque faux grief at Jade's predicament, only shocked amazement that a story about someone dying of cancer could prompt such provocative insensitivity. Without those posts, this thread - and the two deleted ones - would have trundled along quite nicely for a few pages, composed of posts expressing a few kind words of sympathy at another's pitiful state.


Exactly, a few people made tasteless comments designed to provoke, and that has now become the excuse to paint a picture of anyone who has anything to say about this other than expressions of condolence (remember, it's an internet thread discussion, not a joint card we are composing to send to the family) is painted as some kind of moral leper.

I have been accused of being inhuman and all sorts on this thread because I have said that I dont feel sad about Jade. I think its terrible that her sons will grow up without a mother, but in my heart I dont feel any pain for her.

I never said she was faking it or that it was karma but I'm still being told that I have no feelings and I'm scum and worth ignoring. Thats the hysteria I'm talking about!

Exactly, a few people made tasteless comments designed to provoke...
Designed to provoke? Of course the forum is stuffed with duplicate and reincarnated IDs, most of whom post with aim of winding folk up. Do you think all the provocative views expressed on here have been the result of an elaborate troll-fest? I think those who've returned to support and expand upon their views have mostly been sincere in their views.
...and that has now become the excuse to paint a picture of anyone who has anything to say about this other than expressions of condolence (remember, it's an internet thread discussion, not a joint card we are composing to send to the family) is painted as some kind of moral leper.
I think the view on most threads where the original intention is to express support, sympathy and empathy is that if you have nothing positive to contribute, then stay away from the thread.

Perhaps the less sympathetic views might have been better received, or at least discussed in a less emotional context, if the threads on which they were expressed were intended as discussions. Expressed on intentionally supportive threads, those views appear overly harsh, starkly out of place, and profoundly insensitive.

I have been accused of being inhuman and all sorts on this thread because I have said that I dont feel sad about Jade. I think its terrible that her sons will grow up without a mother, but in my heart I dont feel any pain for her.

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The fact that people even have to justify and explain their feelings or face judgement and condemnation, is proof that there very much is an element of self righteous hysteria on this thread.

...but I'm still being told that I have no feelings and I'm scum and worth ignoring. Thats the hysteria I'm talking about!
I must have missed some deleted posts because other than being criticised for describing Jade as a chav, most of the angry comments have been directed elsewhere. Even with those comments, the majority of posters supportive of Jade have been far from hysterical.

Designed to provoke? Of course the forum is stuffed with duplicate and reincarnated IDs, most of whom post with aim of winding folk up. Do you think all the provocative views expressed on here have been the result of an elaborate troll-fest? I think those who've returned to support and expand upon their views have mostly been sincere in their views.

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I didn't see those comments, so I'll take your word for it. Either way, any feelings about those comments should be directed at the people who made them, and them alone - not at other people who have said something entirely different.



I think the view on most threads where the original intention is to express support, sympathy and empathy is that if you have nothing positive to contribute, then stay away from the thread.


This is a public forum. Nobody has any say what may or may not be expressed other than the moderators. If you start a thread, it doesn't belong to you. Everyone is equally entitled to say what they feel without being told what the tone of the thread should be. Furthermore, this particular thread is about a public figure, as opposed to someone any of us know, yet you wouldn't think so.


Perhaps the less sympathetic views might have been better received, or at least discussed in a less emotional context, if the threads on which they were expressed were intended as discussions. Expressed on intentionally supportive threads, those views appear overly harsh, starkly out of place, and profoundly insensitive.

Ditto above

Even with those comments, the majority of posters supportive of Jade have been far from hysterical.

I disagree. They can't see our viewpoint and therefore start to use words like "vile" to describe us.

OK, I'll hold my hand up to be the one to have suggested it might be karmic retribution, because I do believe in things like that. Ignore the cancer for one minute (if the Jade lovers amongst you can) and you'll see there is nothing good about who she is or what she's done.

And this current media frenzy and cashing in to provide a nest egg just leaves a nasty taste. Ive said this following line numerous times - What about the thousands of women going through similar who don't have Max Clifford and an awaiting media with pots of cash?

She had a good career as a dental nurse and threw it away. She made a bit of money from her celeb status and opened a salon and threw that away. Am I also correct in thinking that if she had gone for tests this cancer could have been caught far earlier?

These are the facts and just because she has cancer doesn't automatically mean they can be just wiped clean. If Bin Laden got cancer would we instantly forget about his past?

It's these statements I've presented to the forum which have resulted in people ranting off against me - calling me heartless and vile (doesn't bother me, I'm thick skinned) rather than challenging my viewpoint - even to the level of saying nasty things about one of my supporting factors - Jane Tomlinson.

I've even had people say "how would you feel if cancer affected you?". For your information it has in three different types of cancers.

I am saddened that children will be left without a mother, but what exactly has she left them besides money? Certainly not a mother to be proud of - a racist who gave oral sex on national television to a guy in a house.

If you don't like my point of view fair enough. But I'm not alone in my thinking.

I didn't see those comments, so I'll take your word for it. Either way, any feelings about those comments should be directed at the people who made them, and them alone - not at other people who have said something entirely different. ...
They have been directed at those who've made them. I think with the exception of basilrathbon, those who posted on the previous threads have also posted on here.
...This is a public forum. Nobody has any say what may or may not be expressed other than the moderators. If you start a thread, it doesn't belong to you. Everyone is equally entitled to say what they feel without being dictated to what the tone of the thread should be. ...
Of course. All views are equally valid. Where and when you choose to express those views is more a matter of sensitivity and self-regulation. Many feel that pishing all over a commiserative thread is in poor taste. Each to their own, though you really shouldn't complain when others judge you accordingly.

To compare Jade Goody to Bin Laden is just silly!
So what if she `s making some money to put away for her kids. I`m sure if the thousands of other people out there with cancer could do the same, they would.

Of course. All views are equally valid. Where and when you choose to express those views is more a matter of sensitivity and self-regulation. Many feel that pishing all over a commiserative thread is in poor taste. Each to their own, though you really shouldn't complain when others judge you accordingly.

I'm not complaining, just pointing out the one dimensional hypocrisy of anyone who feels they've earned the right to make moral pronouncements on the levels of human decency in all and sundry, simply because they have acknowledged in print the obvious fact that a young woman dying of cancer is terrible.

As for the 'commiseration thread', nobody here knows Jade, and her family will never see any of this, so why should we act like we do know her and they will see it? Personally, I'll save my comisserations for when I feel real sadness or the genuine need to show support.

They have been directed at those who've made them.

My point was that they have been directed at people who didn't make them as well.

I disagree. They can't see our viewpoint and therefore start to use words like "vile" to describe us. ...
For most of your points, I refer you to the post I've just made re. sensitivity.
...and you'll see there is nothing good about who she is or what she's done. ...
Not to labour the point, because it has been made by several people now, but so what? Expressions of sympathy for someone dying of cancer, or for the family she's going to leave behind, don't have to negate any previously-expressed opinions of that person.
...What about the thousands of women going through similar who don't have Max Clifford and an awaiting media with pots of cash? ...
Expression of sympathy for one does not preclude expression of sympathy for others. It really isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
...If Bin Laden got cancer would we instantly forget about his past?...
Oh my. Are you really attempting to make associations between Jade and a mass-murdering mad man? Really? She hasn't killed anyone. She hasn't been convicted of some horrific crime. She hasn't sacrificed small furry animals to Max Clifford. All she's guilty of is being loud, charmless and expressing views no worse than those encountered on this forum every day. And for that she gets not sympathy but a metaphorical kicking when she's dying? Stunning.
...It's these statements I've presented to the forum which have resulted in people ranting off against me - calling me heartless and vile (doesn't bother me, I'm thick skinned) rather than challenging my viewpoint - even to the level of saying nasty things about one of my supporting factors - Jane Tomlinson....
If you see Jade's cancer as karma, then your detractors may have a point... I haven't seen anyone say anything similarly crass about Jane Tomlinson though.

So what if she `s making some money to put away for her kids. I`m sure if the thousands of other people out there with cancer could do the same, they would.

But why? Some of the finest people around came from humble backgrounds with no money.

I was born on The Manor, grew up on The Badger, came out of school with a few qualifications. However, I worked hard, went to uni a few years ago part time while also raising a family and working full time and have done pretty well for myself.

Money doesn't necessarily give you a good start in life.

If you see Jade's cancer as karma, then your detractors may have a point... I haven't seen anyone say anything similarly crass about Jane Tomlinson though.

I don't personally. I don't think anyone should get cancer, it's a horrible nasty illness that the world can do without.

But it was mentioned somewhere (not on here), relating to the Shilpa Shetty incident.

My main gripe is how the world has suddenly changed their feelings for Jade just because she has cancer. The papers hated her, now they're clambering all over her with "Brave Jade" stories. The double standards is just sickening and I just don't buy into it.

But why? Some of the finest people around came from humble backgrounds with no money.

I was born on The Manor, grew up on The Badger, came out of school with a few qualifications. However, I worked hard, went to uni a few years ago part time while also raising a family and working full time and have done pretty well for myself.

Money doesn't necessarily give you a good start in life.



I never said money gives you a good start. I just think anyone that can make sure their children have a nest egg will do their best to give it to them, whether they are dying or not.

mmmm so the threadwreackers won in the end! Well give them their due they did work hard at it!

I'm not complaining, just pointing out the one dimensional hypocrisy of anyone who feels they've earned the right to make moral pronouncements on the levels of human decency in all and sundry, simply because they have acknowledged in print the obvious fact that a young woman dying of cancer is terrible. ...
I'm afraid that if someone makes comments that appear to be insensitive, crass and lacking in compassion, then you'll likely be labelled as insensitive, crass and lacking in compassion. You do appear to be complaining very loudly indeed. Your response to Bagger's comments making essentially the same point was a sight to behold in its bitter sarcasm.
...As for the 'commiseration thread', nobody here knows Jade, and her family will never see any of this, so why should we act like we do know her and they will see it? Personally, I'll save my comisserations for when I feel real sadness or the genuine need to show support.
Happy to agree to differ on that point. Whether you contribute to threads posted in sympathy at the loss or illness of some public figure or other is of course a matter of personal preference. My point is that they generally don't descend to the level of this one, where that person's detractors feel the need to contribute negatively.

I'm afraid that if someone makes comments that appear to be insensitive, crass and lacking in compassion, then you'll likely be labelled as insensitive, crass and lacking in compassion.

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What comment did I make that was crass and lacking in compassion.? I think if you are going to say things like that you should address this question.

. Your response to Bagger's comments making essentially the same point was a sight to behold in its bitter sarcasm.
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It may have been a bit OTT, but I'm just one of those people who reacts to the holier than thou attitude, and there's been plenty of that.

Argh - it has nothing to do with being self-righteous, hypocritical or holier than thou. It's about not kicking a dog when it's down as to do so is mean spirited and cruel. Whatever happened to compassion and a humane approach to the suffering of fellow humans? The woman is dying. For the zillionth time, no one is retracting all the stuff that has been said about her in the past, but whatever it is she has done, she not deserve to die young and so horribly, nor the levels of virtiol that we have seen.

Argh - it has nothing to do with being self-righteous, hypocritical or holier than thou. It's about not kicking a dog when it's down as to do so is mean spirited and cruel. Whatever happened to compassion and a humane approach to the suffering of fellow humans? The woman is dying. For the zillionth time, no one is retracting all the stuff that has been said about her in the past, but whatever it is she has done, she not deserve to die young and so horribly, nor the levels of virtiol that we have seen.

If you read my posts, you'll see I haven't said anything derrogatory, cruel or heartless about Jade Goody, or passed any judgements on her whatsoever.

I have said there's an element of media circus. A soap opera, more connected with her celebrity status than the actual plight the woman and her family are facing. Apparently, to express such an opinion means I'm not as sensitive or kind as others - even if they do say so themselves.

What comment did I make that was crass and lacking in compassion.? I think if you are going to say things like that you should address this question. ...
I was trying to avoid using the rather pompous term 'one' while responding to the fact that in this (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=4689144&postcount=180) post you'd quoted this aspect of Bagger's previous post:
...To those people who see no tragedy in Jade's situation, well, I think that says far more about you than you think.

Argh - it has nothing to do with being self-righteous, hypocritical or holier than thou. It's about not kicking a dog when it's down as to do so is mean spirited and cruel. Whatever happened to compassion and a humane approach to the suffering of fellow humans? The woman is dying. For the zillionth time, no one is retracting all the stuff that has been said about her in the past, but whatever it is she has done, she not deserve to die young and so horribly, nor the levels of virtiol that we have seen.

Well said, Suffy.

It's about time this thread was closed and everyone just let the poor lass get on with what she has left of her life.

I was trying to avoid using the rather pompous term 'one' while responding to the fact that in this (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=4689144&postcount=180) post you'd quoted this aspect of Bagger's previous post:

I thought we were talking about me supposedly saying something crass and insensitive about Jade Goody. Bagger is not she,and I don't hold that it is crass and insensitive given the aspertions..

I thought we were talking about me supposedly saying something crass and insensitive about Jade Goody. ...
We're talking generally about crass insensitivity on a thread about someone dying of cancer, and specifically about comments directed at Jade.

If you want me to specifically reference your comments, I think they are generally rather crass in light of the thread's topic, as I mentioned above in my post about sensitivity.

I have a specific problem with your initial comments which implied that those who expressed sympathy for Jade did not take a similar interest in those around them, and that they were 'getting off' on the emotional nature of a 'real life' soap opera.

So, tapping a few words about what compassion you feel at the demise of a celebrity you don't even know is the ultimate proof of the love you radiate towards all human kind? And when you write your harsh judgements about the characters of others who take a cynical view of the whole media circus aspect to this great outpouring of public sympathy, you no doubt condemn them with the greatest loving kindness too. Oh, if only my hard heart could be so pure and loving.

Don't be such an arse.

I feel compassion towards a young woman who is going to die leaving her very young children without a mother. The fact that it happens to be Jade Goody is neither here nor there. I'd feel equally sad if it was the woman across the street who I don't know personally either.

My harsh judgements were made about someone being vile about the untimely death of a young mother. As you need it spelling out.

I disagree. They can't see our viewpoint and therefore start to use words like "vile" to describe us.

OK, I'll hold my hand up to be the one to have suggested it might be karmic retribution, because I do believe in things like that. Ignore the cancer for one minute (if the Jade lovers amongst you can) and you'll see there is nothing good about who she is or what she's done.

And this current media frenzy and cashing in to provide a nest egg just leaves a nasty taste. Ive said this following line numerous times - What about the thousands of women going through similar who don't have Max Clifford and an awaiting media with pots of cash?

She had a good career as a dental nurse and threw it away. She made a bit of money from her celeb status and opened a salon and threw that away. Am I also correct in thinking that if she had gone for tests this cancer could have been caught far earlier?

These are the facts and just because she has cancer doesn't automatically mean they can be just wiped clean. If Bin Laden got cancer would we instantly forget about his past?

It's these statements I've presented to the forum which have resulted in people ranting off against me - calling me heartless and vile (doesn't bother me, I'm thick skinned) rather than challenging my viewpoint - even to the level of saying nasty things about one of my supporting factors - Jane Tomlinson.

I've even had people say "how would you feel if cancer affected you?". For your information it has in three different types of cancers.

I am saddened that children will be left without a mother, but what exactly has she left them besides money? Certainly not a mother to be proud of - a racist who gave oral sex on national television to a guy in a house.

If you don't like my point of view fair enough. But I'm not alone in my thinking.Jade didnt throw away her chance of being a dental nurse ,she very wisely invested the money she made from big brother into her salons.
Jade went for a smear test three years ago and her diagnosis went undetected.as she has said she could have been taking action against the NHS but did not want to as all that would do was take away much needed money from others needing treatment hence the reason she is trying to earn all she can now for her kids education
Jades children WILL be very proud her, she has already made people aware of the impotance of cervical smear test and research has shown the tests to be up by 30%.

My harsh judgements were made about someone being vile about the untimely death of a young mother. As you need it spelling out.

I'm sorry, I thought your comments were directed at someone else who was getting a lot of stick - much of which has been deleted - for expressing an honest and inoffensive opinion. I didn't realise you have had personal experience of cancer, and can appreciate your feelings about what Jade is going through are genuine.

quote "Oh, if only my hard heart could be so pure and loving."
yes donkey if only......

quote "Oh, if only my hard heart could be so pure and loving."
yes donkey if only......

Or yours, for that matter.

I'm sorry, I thought your comments were directed at someone else who was getting a lot of stick - much of which has been deleted - for expressing an honest and inoffensive opinion. I didn't realise you have had personal experience of cancer, and can appreciate your feelings about what Jade is going through are genuine.

I appreciate your post. And I'm now slightly regretting calling you an arse.....:D

Don't be such an arse.

I feel compassion towards a young woman who is going to die leaving her very young children without a mother. The fact that it happens to be Jade Goody is neither here nor there. I'd feel equally sad if it was the woman across the street who I don't know personally either.

My harsh judgements were made about someone being vile about the untimely death of a young mother. As you need it spelling out.

Well said, Bagger.

My sentiments exactly.

All the heroes are crawling out of the woodwork now they feel it's safe.

no Bagger you said it right the first time
even after you revealed you own situation donkey couldnt just let it go and leave others to express their sympathies for Jade. And as for defending ''someone else who was getting a lot of stick - much of which has been deleted - for expressing an honest and inoffensive opinion'', if 'that person'' was getting a lot of stick then id say that the comments must have been offending a lot of people!

All the heroes are crawling out of the woodwork now they feel it's safe.

If that's referring to me - I'm no hero. I just agree with the following statement.

Don't be such an arse.

I feel compassion towards a young woman who is going to die leaving her very young children without a mother. The fact that it happens to be Jade Goody is neither here nor there. I'd feel equally sad if it was the woman across the street who I don't know personally either.

My harsh judgements were made about someone being vile about the untimely death of a young mother. As you need it spelling out.


Accept that other people are allowed an opinion that differs from yours - and stop trying to convince everyone that you're right and they're wrong. There's room for more than one opinion around here.

Accept that other people are allowed an opinion that differs from yours - and stop trying to convince everyone that you're right and they're wrong. There's room for more than one opinion around here.

I haven't denied anyone their opinion. The thing is, by repeating a post with a personal insult in it and saying you agree with it, I thought you were repeating that insult in a rather slippery way. Only that person is entitled - under the circumstances - to say that, but you are not

Gor blimey, there's another one on the band waggon.

well it would seem youve upset a lot of folk then! Maybe they are all just coming home from work?

well it would seem youve upset a lot of folk then! Maybe they are all just coming home from work?

I doubt that's what it is. You've been on here all afternoon.

I haven't denied anyone their opinion. The thing is, by repeating a post with a personal insult in it and saying you agree with it, I thought you were repeating that insult in a rather slippery way. Only that person is entitled - under the circumstances - to say that, but you are not

You know nothing about me, my circumstances or my experiences of cancer - please don't assume that you do.

yep and ive been ''on the bandwagon'' since 13.37, I am refering to others that are now stating their views on your comments

You know nothing about me, my circumstances or my experiences of cancer - please don't assume that you do.

Look mate, my mum has cancer for the third time and is 79 now.
Whatever your circumstances, I didn't say anything to you or about you.

Look, what's the point in arguing about this. For those who have no compassion for a dying young mother, just don't bother posting.

This thread wasnt put on to provoke arguments....even though she is not everyones cup of tea the story is still a sad one and lots of women on here have been affected by it in one way or another, especially those with young children who perish the thought of dying and leaving them.

So the thread is really about womens thoughts on cancer and how they feel for a fellow mother....
I think if anyone would like to attack this young woman, just start another thread and do it there.

I think if anyone would like to attack this young woman, just start another thread and do it there.

Or not.

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Or not.

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They wouldnt dare

I've not said anything bad about Jade Goody, but I'll get me coat, before I get totally ripped to pieces by the pirhanas of compassion :hihi:

I've not said anything bad about Jade Goody, but I'll get me coat, before I get totally ripped to pieces by the pirhanas of compassion :hihi:

:wave: goodbye

I think that it's an apt time to close this thread for the time being.