cannot people respect the fact that others do not particularly want to be inflicted with their offsprings, particularly when those offsprings are a great annoyance to everyone else but themselves. During my last two holidays kids were allowed to rampage all over, the only respite being an adult only bar. However, some irresponsible parents chose to ignore this and continue to inflict their unruly kids upon everyone else whilst they indulged themselves in drink. in my opinion, unless it is for the purpose of a meal, kids should not be allowed in any pub fullstop, not even, as in some, until 9pm

I agree.

Unless its a pub designed with kids in mind.

it depends on the pub. A pub like the Stag for instance with a conservatory and large kids play area in the garden is fine but not in somewhere like a busy inner city pub.

I think well behaved chidren can civilise a pub and improve its atmosphere. Of course they should be properly supervised and not allowed to run amock but I think children often add to a pub. You tend to find that adults will often moderate their own behaviour in pubs with children in.

If pubs did not allow kids in, Most would close.
£1 for a glass of coke! C'mon

Originally posted by viking
If pubs did not allow kids in, Most would close.
£1 for a glass of coke! C'mon

Not very likely.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I think well behaved chidren can civilise a pub and improve its atmosphere. Of course they should be properly supervised and not allowed to run amock but I think children often add to a pub. You tend to find that adults will often moderate their own behaviour in pubs with children in.

Playing devils advocate here, but why should people, unless behaving in a dangerous or agresive manner have to "moderate" their behaviour in what is generally an adult enviroment simply because people choose to take their children in.

i don't think pubs will go broke for a bottle of coke or two - many, including myself would avoid a pub which had children running around. £1 for a glass of coke at McDonalds, playcentre, pictures???? - i am sure a child would enjoy a coke much more in one of those environments - pubs are places that children have to endure for their parents' pleasure and to other people's annoyance. I am not against well behaved kids but the fact is that many are left to run havoc annoying other people whilst their parents are content to indulge. Babies who are not running around havoc are screaming in their prams simply because they are tired and uncomfortable - parents are oblivious, continue to indulge, and inflict their child's screaming on others who have come out for a quiet drink.

Adults only means adults only - only the irresponsible parents choose to ignore.

Perhaps it is just a nicer atmosphere if we all (adults and children) 'behave' in pubs. I agree nobody wants a lot of 'brats' running all over the place but I have noticed that a pub with lots of well behaved children in it also has 'better behaved' adults too.

I do agree with Teeb.
But without children in village pubs, the trade loss would be a lot to cover.

One of my pet hates is other people's children.

I realise that this statement might be offensive to responsible parents with well-behaved kids, and I appologise for that. But I'm afraid the little brats who run amock in bars, pubs and on public transport while their parents totally ignore them give the whole breeding shebag a very bad name.

I used to work as a waitress in a busy pub, and I've lost count of the number of parents I've had to tell off for letting their kids run around and get under my feet.

Not only is it incredibly off-putting for other diners, but it can be very dangerous. I nearly dropped a heavy (and scolding hot) bowl of soup onto the head of one "little darling" once because it was running riot around the pub and tripped me up. Then the mother had the nerve to blame me!

If you're going to take your children out in public, you should teach them good behaviour and manners.

I dont have a problem with kids in pubs, i tend not to frequent pubs with kids in anyway. But kids in shoppind centers, they should be barred, 2 days a week make meadowhall a kid free zone. PLEASE, i'm fed up of screaming kids, kids running about bashing into you, kids who constantly want stuff, and then throw a paddy whay told no, and the parents just ignore them when they are screaming at the tops of thier voices. i wish they would nail them to the floor, or something, theres nothing worse than standing in a que, boiling to death, royall peed off because its taken you 2 hours to get 1 item, then a kid start screaming and whining. it makes you want to kill someone.

Joel

Originally posted by JBee
One of my pet hates is other people's children.

I realise that this statement might be offensive to responsible parents with well-behaved kids, and I appologise for that. But I'm afraid the little brats who run amock in bars, pubs and on public transport while their parents totally ignore them give the whole breeding shebag a very bad name.

I used to work as a waitress in a busy pub, and I've lost count of the number of parents I've had to tell off for letting their kids run around and get under my feet.

Not only is it incredibly off-putting for other diners, but it can be very dangerous. I nearly dropped a heavy (and scolding hot) bowl of soup onto the head of one "little darling" once because it was running riot around the pub and tripped me up. Then the mother had the nerve to blame me!

If you're going to take your children out in public, you should teach them good behaviour and manners.

Totally agree.

A bit off topic but has anyone else noticed that the best behaved children are those whose parents talk reasonably to them and the 'screaming brats' are those whose parents are hitting them and shouting at them.

One time a gay friend of mine was in a pub with his boyfriend and was glared at for being openly gay in front of a straight couple and their young kids.

The only thing was this was a gay pub in the centre of the gay district of the city he lives in.

There are just some places that you shouldn't take kids.

totally agree - pubs are for adult talk, adult language, adult behaviour - kids should not have to be taken into consideration

Originally posted by teeb
totally agree - pubs are for adult talk, adult language, adult behaviour - kids should not have to be taken into consideration
Exactly.

It was for a similar reason that my partner and I decided that our wedding was going to be adults only; I didn't want to spend the entire day afraid to swear for the sake of delicate ears...and I can give a sailor a run for his profanities when I get going.

Originally posted by JBee
One of my pet hates is other people's children.

I realise that this statement might be offensive to responsible parents with well-behaved kids, and I appologise for that. But I'm afraid the little brats who run amock in bars, pubs and on public transport while their parents totally ignore them give the whole breeding shebag a very bad name.

I used to work as a waitress in a busy pub, and I've lost count of the number of parents I've had to tell off for letting their kids run around and get under my feet.

Not only is it incredibly off-putting for other diners, but it can be very dangerous. I nearly dropped a heavy (and scolding hot) bowl of soup onto the head of one "little darling" once because it was running riot around the pub and tripped me up. Then the mother had the nerve to blame me!

If you're going to take your children out in public, you should teach them good behaviour and manners.

How very true!!!

I avoid going out now and am often found to be saying..i dont fancy going in there it will be full of screaming kids!

Why do parents let thier kids wander around resturants..come upto tables..and just stand there with that silly look on thier face wanting you to coo and fuss their child...?
...I would love to say..please go and put a lead on it !

Originally posted by cruella
Why do parents let thier kids wander around resturants..come upto tables..and just stand there with that silly look on thier face wanting you to coo and fuss their child...?
Maybe they cling to the vein hope that someone else will be on the recieving end of the little t*rds wrath for even a moment and spare them the torment of their offspring.

Are we not being just a tad hypocritical abouit this. We don't like badly behaved kids in pubs but at the same time defend adult behaving badly in pubs.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Are we not being just a tad hypocritical abouit this. We don't like badly behaved kids in pubs but at the same time defend adult behaving badly in pubs.
I've never seen abadly behaved kid be:

1. Barred by the Landlord

2. Chucked out by a bouncer

3. Carted off in the back of a riot van

At the risk of being controversial is this a class issue to some extent. Middle class kids seem quite capable of behaving and talking nicely when out for a meal with their parents.

Originally posted by Carmine
I've never seen abadly behaved kid be:

1. Barred by the Landlord

2. Chucked out by a bouncer

3. Carted off in the back of a riot van

This should be introduced..."ASBO's for unruly 5 year olds "...

In possesion of a belly full of Charlie Chalk fish fingers !

no one is defending adults behaving badly but after all adults go into pubs to discuss adult things, do what adults do, and use adult language - i for one do not wish to duck missiles that some little brat has thrown, smile sweetly at some little brat that has decided to throw its juice all over me, or coo over some little baby that is screaming and would rather be asleep in its own environment.

Originally posted by cruella
This should be introduced..."ASBO's for unruly 5 year olds "...

In possesion of a belly full of Charlie Chalk fish fingers !
Maybe the pubs and restaurants in question could invest in a creche that was soundproofed and located on the Moon?:thumbsup:

Originally posted by teeb
no one is defending adults behaving badly but after all adults go into pubs to discuss adult things, do what adults do, and use adult language - i for one do not wish to duck missiles that some little brat has thrown, smile sweetly at some little brat that has decided to throw its juice all over me, or coo over some little baby that is screaming and would rather be asleep in its own environment.
That's the point I was getting at.

If an adult gets out of hand in a pub there are tried and tested ways that the problem is dealt with. With kids you have to rely on the parents to discipline them, which in most cases consists of either beating them half to death or just shouting at them and then going back to whatever they were doing before the little monster attracted their attention.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
At the risk of being controversial is this a class issue to some extent. Middle class kids seem quite capable of behaving and talking nicely when out for a meal with their parents.
My cousin and her partner are working class (as are all my family) and his kids are always well-behaved when we've been anywhere with them. In fact I've never heard them talk back or heard him raise his voice to them once.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
At the risk of being controversial is this a class issue to some extent. Middle class kids seem quite capable of behaving and talking nicely when out for a meal with their parents.

I take it you've not been for a cup of tea in the cafe in Endcliffe Park then ? when little Anabell and Tarquin are "expressing themselves" regarding the possibility of having a mars bar.

Depend of the pub really.

However, I think all pubs should ban old people coming in and ordering pots of tea.

Originally posted by Zamo
However, I think all pubs should ban old people coming in and ordering pots of tea.
They smell worse than the kids and seldom make any more sense...:hihi:

Originally posted by slimsid2000
At the risk of being controversial is this a class issue to some extent. Middle class kids seem quite capable of behaving and talking nicely when out for a meal with their parents.

Disagree Slimsid2000. The pub I worked in (see my earlier post) was a 'la-de-da, upper middle class, country inn' and the children behaved terribly. But the parents were too busy quaffing wine and trying to keep up with the Jones to notice.

Equally I've seen some disgustingly behaved working class kids, so lets not make this a class issue.

You don't need to have money to have manners. And in the same way, money doesn't buy you manners.

And in reply to a post saying that kids never get carted off by police or thrown out by the landlord - that's only because they're kids!!!

If an adult ran round the pub screaming, bumping into waitresses and harrassing people at their tables like a lot of children do, then they WOULD get chucked out!!!

Originally posted by JBee
And in reply to a post saying that kids never get carted off by police or thrown out by the landlord - that's only because they're kids!!!

If an adult ran round the pub screaming, bumping into waitresses and harrassing people at their tables like a lot of children do, then they WOULD get chucked out!!!
That was kind of the point I was making!

Sorry Carmine, I misunderstood.

Good point!

I purposely avoid pubs which allow children.

Pubs are a refuge away from kids - they're a place to smoke, drink, swear and tell lewd jokes not having to watch your language, not smoke in case it sets off little Johnny's asthma, not swear incase he picks up a word (chances are the little sh*t's heard it in the playground 50 times before).

It's my place damn it, I don't drink and smoke in a creche so don't come to my domain and want crayons and fruitshoots.

well said - mind you, the chances are some of the ill mannered little brats may learn us a swear word or two

to all you parents - i have kids - i love my kids - you may not like my kids therefore i do not inflict them on you - you may love your kids but I will probably not like them therefore would not like them inflicted on me.

if you wish to give your kids pleasure take them to the park, the zoo, the pictures, the playcentre where they can be inflicted on other kids wo may even like them

Hmmm.....should be at the landlord's disgression.....which it already is! So no problems all round!

Originally posted by slimsid2000
At the risk of being controversial is this a class issue to some extent. Middle class kids seem quite capable of behaving and talking nicely when out for a meal with their parents.

completely disagree.

I have found that upper middle class children are often spoilt brats whose parents are often too busy working all hours to have a great deal of control over them.

These kids tend to demand everything and throw a fit when they don't get what they want.

just found an excellent pub that fulfills too categories ont he posts. kid free zones & favourite pubs (although this is not in Sheffield)
5 miles from haydock park, nice pub nice grub - NO SMOKING ALLOWED - NO PUSHCHAIRS ALLOWED - NO CHILDREN ALLOWED in the pub/restaurant - NO CHILDREN ALLOWED AFTER 6PM.

quality

Being the responsible owner of two well-behaved girls, I can't see any problem with taking kids into a country pub for eg Sunday lunch, as I did yesterday.
When we need feeding in the city centre there are plenty of cafes anyway.

I wouldn't take them into a pub at night coz we do need our adult space. I recently saw a young mother breast-feeding her nipper in a pub in the evenng, surrounded by smokers, with a pint in her free hand.

:confused:

I used to teach at a massive boarding school in Istanbul and on the campus there was a restaurant /bar where the staff could go and , as is normal in Turkey , take their children.
Almost every kid was well behaved. However , one boy ,about 8 years old , the expats nicknamed him , "the kid from Hell ", used to run round , screaming and so on and drive everybody potty. His mother and father used to sit smiling indulgently at their little angel.
It turned out that the mother was in charge of the child psychology dept.at the school ! Every teacher used to receive mountains of guff from this department and we then knew the reason why. !

I remember not so long ago pubs beeing places to drink where under 18s weren't allowed... I don't underatand why it still isn't the case.