I read that SUFC were donating their proceeds from the hillsborough derby beamback to charity .In the light of SWFC'S much publisied partnership with the sheffield childrens hospital charity I was wondering if they also donated the revenue from the beamback to charity .If not why?.

I've not read any such articles on the net or news to suggest SWFC did give the monies to charity.

With them needing good PR I'm sure they would have shouted it from the rooftops if they had. So can only assume they didn't.

I read that SUFC were donating their proceeds from the hillsborough derby beamback to charity .In the light of SWFC'S much publisied partnership with the sheffield childrens hospital charity I was wondering if they also donated the revenue from the beamback to charity .If not why?.

Why should they?

What United decide to do is up to them, although you need to provide a link as to where you read it?

Or are you "wondering" if you can wind us up:hihi::hihi:

Why should they?

What United decide to do is up to them, although you need to provide a link as to where you read it?

Or are you "wondering" if you can wind us up:hihi::hihi:

Who is us?. It was in the star that united had donated their share to charity.
I'm not trying to wind anyone up, I just thought that with all the publicity about wednesdays charitable work today ,maybe they had done the same as united.

Who is us?. It was in the star that united had donated their share to charity.
I'm not trying to wind anyone up, I just thought that with all the publicity about wednesdays charitable work today ,maybe they had done the same as united.

Well; United only donated their £10,000 rights fee and not their proceeds:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Steel-City-derby39s-charity-boost.4912557.jp

What charitable work is that then?

"Us" being my fellow Wednesdayites on this forum.

Well; United only donated their £10,000 rights fee and not their proceeds:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Steel-City-derby39s-charity-boost.4912557.jp

What charitable work is that then?

"Us" being my fellow Wednesdayites on this forum.

the £10,000 rights was their proceeds.

the charitable work plastered all over todays news .

how do you know I'm not a wednesdayite?.

The thread is just a question .

Like it or not wednesday would not have got one penny if it wasn't for united allowing the beamback and everyone who went has sheffield united to thank .

this doesn't mean I support one or the other ,It means I can see the truth of what happens .

the £10,000 rights was their proceeds.

the charitable work plastered all over todays news .

how do you know I'm not a wednesdayite?.

No it isn't, rights are different to proceeds.

Are you sure it really is charitable work and not a publicity stunt? think about it:thumbsup:

I don't, but its just what some Blade would have posted.

You're not related to BB:hihi:

Like it or not wednesday would not have got one penny if it wasn't for united allowing the beamback and everyone who went has sheffield united to thank .

.

Just as I susspected....a wind up:thumbsup:

No it isn't, rights are different to proceeds.

Are you sure it really is charitable work and not a publicity stunt? think about it:thumbsup:

I don't, but its just what some Blade would have posted.

You're not related to BB:hihi:

Recieving cash for anything is proceeds .

So you think it's a wednesday publicity stunt .

Don't know who I might be related to , my dad put it about in his younger days .

.

Don't know who I might be related to , my dad put it about in his younger days .

BB?
Brigitte Bardot?

What a bint!
Cor, your old man did Ok there.

BB?
Brigitte Bardot?

What a bint!
Cor, your old man did Ok there.


should have seen us in the tin bath in front of the fire as kids.

should have seen us in the tin bath in front of the fire as kids.

That sounds rather incestuous and unhealthy.

I've not read any such articles on the net or news to suggest SWFC did give the monies to charity.

With them needing good PR I'm sure they would have shouted it from the rooftops if they had. So can only assume they didn't.

And I suppose that the policing, stewarding, refreshment area staffing, electricity, post beamback cleaning, screen and beamback costs etc;etc; were all free of charge. :huh:

Utd charged us £10,000 and donated it to charity, it came from SWFC, not SUFC. You blunts look for any little thing that you can have a snipe at don't you. :loopy:

I am assuming some of the beamback money went towards paying the Police on overtime etc etc
All moneys made on the gate probably went to charity...For the Pigs its called the
CO-OP Bank.

p.s. Crookesey, I am sure even you are smart enough to know that they make money selling the catering stuff..... They made a ton of money on the beamback or they wouldn't have done it and they didn't give it to charity, just admit it, they lined their pockets

I am assuming some of the beamback money went towards paying the Police on overtime etc etc
All moneys made on the gate probably went to charity...For the Pigs its called the
CO-OP Bank.

In my experience bacon has always been red and white CB. I am sure that you blunts have now found yourselves yet another thing to snipe about.

And I suppose that the policing, stewarding, refreshment area staffing, electricity, post beamback cleaning, screen and beamback costs etc;etc; were all free of charge. :huh:

Utd charged us £10,000 and donated it to charity, it came from SWFC, not SUFC. You blunts look for any little thing that you can have a snipe at don't you. :loopy:

Normally I agree with most of your posts crookesey but I really don't see the logic in this statement.
If I sell you something and receive cash for it, then turn around and buy food, for example, with it, you are of the opinion that you bought the food ?
Bit twisted, don't you think ?
And I'm not having a snipe.

And I suppose that the policing, stewarding, refreshment area staffing, electricity, post beamback cleaning, screen and beamback costs etc;etc; were all free of charge. :huh:

Utd charged us £10,000 and donated it to charity, it came from SWFC, not SUFC. You blunts look for any little thing that you can have a snipe at don't you. :loopy:

I wasn't saying it was a bad move from the Owls, nor was I slamming their decision not to give the monies to charity. But if you wish to go into things then I'm certainly happy to discuss.

Firstly I wasn't sniping at the Owls one bit.

Policing costs - £0
Stewarding costs approx 30 staff, average wage £8 p/h over 3 hours - £720
Refreshement area - not run by SWFC but even if it was it would make a profit. Catering would have paid maybe £500 to use the Owls facilities to sell beer and food. - +£500
Electricity - £200 maybe
Screen - I'll be generous and say £1,000
Beamback - £10,000 (which United donated)
CLub shop open - Approx +£300 profit maybe
Tickets - £6 each I believe for 9,000 +£54,000
Total - +£42,880

So United have given £10,000 to charity and Wednesday make a profit of £42k..... good business sense from the Owls and good PR sense from the Blades.

HOWEVER...... Let's look back a few years. Game at Hillsborough Owls vs Blades.

United are charged £10,000 for beam back, pay approx £720 in wages, pay approx £1,000 for giant screen.....

The sales of all 8,000 tickets at £6 each £48,000 goes towards the Millers to help them out. Cost to United approx £60k

Anything else you would like to add?

Normally I agree with most of your posts crookesey but I really don't see the logic in this statement.
If I sell you something and receive cash for it, then turn around and buy food, for example, with it, you are of the opinion that you bought the food ?
Bit twisted, don't you think ?
And I'm not having a snipe.

Right I will try again.

SWFC agreed to pay SUFC £10,000 for the right to beamback the match to Hillsborough, SUFC generously decided to donate this fee to charity.

SWFC sold circa 9000 tickets for the beamback, the cost was £10.00 adult and £4.00 concession, so lets say an average of £7.00 per seat, this comes to £63,000. The £10,000 had to come from somewhere leaving a balance of £53,000 that IMHO would not cover the costs involved in staging this event. What annoys me is that certain cynical blunts appear to think that SWFC agreed to donate the gate money to charity and have renaged on doing so.

We have further struck up a fabulous deal with Sheffield Children's Hospital regarding our shirt sponsorship, and there have already been posts saying that we only did it because we couldn't find a sponsor. A lot of the blunts on this forum are not good Sheffield United supporters, they are quite simply poor little Sheffield Wednesday haters.

Please explain to me why I am a 'Bit twisted'.

SWFC sold circa 9000 tickets for the beamback, the cost was £10.00 adult and £4.00 concession, so lets say an average of £7.00 per seat, this comes to £63,000. The £10,000 had to come from somewhere leaving a balance of £53,000 that IMHO would not cover the costs involved in staging this event. .

You don't think that £53,000 covers the cost of holding 9,000 of the same fans? All in one stand? Dear oh dear.

Right I will try again.

SWFC agreed to pay SUFC £10,000 for the right to beamback the match to Hillsborough, SUFC generously decided to donate this fee to charity.

SWFC sold circa 9000 tickets for the beamback, the cost was £10.00 adult and £4.00 concession, so lets say an average of £7.00 per seat, this comes to £63,000. The £10,000 had to come from somewhere leaving a balance of £53,000 that IMHO would not cover the costs involved in staging this event. What annoys me is that certain cynical blunts appear to think that SWFC agreed to donate the gate money to charity and have renaged on doing so.

We have further struck up a fabulous deal with Sheffield Children's Hospital regarding our shirt sponsorship, and there have already been posts saying that we only did it because we couldn't find a sponsor. A lot of the blunts on this forum are not good Sheffield United supporters, they are quite simply poor little Sheffield Wednesday haters.

Please explain to me why I am a 'Bit twisted'.

Not saying that you are twisted but your logic is.
The 10,000 pounds was not Wednesday's money to count as a gift to charity.
The money belonged to United (earned for service rendered) and therefore it was United's to do with whatever they wanted.
They chose to donate it to charity.
For the record, I'm not accusing Wednesday of anything but once the beamback fee was set at 10k that money belonged to United as I said.

You don't think that £53,000 covers the cost of holding 9,000 of the same fans? All in one stand? Dear oh dear.

their bar staff must be on more wages than the players. no wonder the club is skint .

You don't think that £53,000 covers the cost of holding 9,000 of the same fans? All in one stand? Dear oh dear.


Back to one of your previous posts.

Policing costs 0, why is it that every other club in the country pays for policing and Wednesday doesn't? Just as an example West Ham's policing costs are £500,000 p/a. And before you ask, yes it was policed, I noticed about a dozen in the ground at half time, but didn't bother to count those on SWFC territory outside the ground.

You think that you are being generous in allocating £1,000 for the hire and set up of the screen do you, have you called a tradesman out lately? I suppose that the screen appeared at Hillsborough by immaculate conception and then set itself up along with the scaffolding that it was mounted on. The camera work at Bramall Lane would have been free would it? SWFC don't own the screen so would have to add it to their insurance policy or pay an all inclusive premium to the hirer, what's your guess of the cost, 50 pence perhaps?

As you don't appear to be able to get anything correct the ticket costs were £7.00 adult season ticket holders, £10.00 adult none season ticket holders and £4.00 concessions.

I will bow to your self opinionated expertise relative to electricity costs, shop profit, stewarding costs etc, but don't ever think of opening a business Robbie, with your idea of costing you would go bust in a week. This reply will also have to satisfy CB as I don't intend to waste any more of my time on blinkered Wednesday haters who have found something different to have a gripe about.

Thank you for your post Crookesey, it's appreciated.

Policing costs 0, why is it that every other club in the country pays for policing and Wednesday doesn't? Just as an example West Ham's policing costs are £500,000 p/a. And before you ask, yes it was policed, I noticed about a dozen in the ground at half time, but didn't bother to count those on SWFC territory outside the ground.

OK, I didn't realise police attended the beamback, I saw no reason as to why they should but I will take your word for it and accept they did.

I can't envisage anything more than 20 police at a cost of say £2k (£100 each for 4 hours)

As you kindly point out, WHU annual bill for the police is £500k, this is for 19 home games with much higher attendances and also taking into consideration away fans will actually be at the games. Unlike the beamback.

You think that you are being generous in allocating £1,000 for the hire and set up of the screen do you, have you called a tradesman out lately? I suppose that the screen appeared at Hillsborough by immaculate conception and then set itself up along with the scaffolding that it was mounted on.

Hiring and set of the screen, if you want some extra pennies given towards this then that's ok.... call it 3k it cost for hiring and set up.

The camera work at Bramall Lane would have been free would it?

Wednesday didn't employ these people - they used the link that was showing the game abroad in Asia I believe it was.

SWFC don't own the screen so would have to add it to their insurance policy or pay an all inclusive premium to the hirer, what's your guess of the cost, 50 pence perhaps?

Oh dear, are the Owls using shoddy companies to hire from? Any business worth their salt who loan out equipment will always have their own insurance policy.

As you don't appear to be able to get anything correct the ticket costs were £7.00 adult season ticket holders, £10.00 adult none season ticket holders and £4.00 concessions.

So an average of £6 wouldn't be appropriate to choose from? Where did I state it was right? I'm sure my words were "£6 each I believe".

This reply will also have to satisfy CB as I don't intend to waste any more of my time on blinkered Wednesday haters who have found something different to have a gripe about.

Great when the Owls get on their high horses isn't it?

Point out to me in my original post where I said it was bad from the Owls, or that I hated the Owls?

Or do you think that actually JUST ACTUALLY I may have been answering the original posters question?

IF you want my opinion, it makes good sense to keep the profits from the beamback. HOWEVER if they had have given the monies to the a local charity (a la Blades) then it would have been a good gesture.

I assume you don't wish to debate any further because you are aware you are fighting a losing battle.

Thank you for your post Crookesey, it's appreciated.



OK, I didn't realise police attended the beamback, I saw no reason as to why they should but I will take your word for it and accept they did.

I can't envisage anything more than 20 police at a cost of say £2k (£100 each for 4 hours)

As you kindly point out, WHU annual bill for the police is £500k, this is for 19 home games with much higher attendances and also taking into consideration away fans will actually be at the games. Unlike the beamback.



Hiring and set of the screen, if you want some extra pennies given towards this then that's ok.... call it 3k it cost for hiring and set up.



Wednesday didn't employ these people - they used the link that was showing the game abroad in Asia I believe it was.



Oh dear, are the Owls using shoddy companies to hire from? Any business worth their salt who loan out equipment will always have their own insurance policy.



So an average of £6 wouldn't be appropriate to choose from? Where did I state it was right? I'm sure my words were "£6 each I believe".



Great when the Owls get on their high horses isn't it?

Point out to me in my original post where I said it was bad from the Owls, or that I hated the Owls?

Or do you think that actually JUST ACTUALLY I may have been answering the original posters question?

IF you want my opinion, it makes good sense to keep the profits from the beamback. HOWEVER if they had have given the monies to the a local charity (a la Blades) then it would have been a good gesture.

I assume you don't wish to debate any further because you are aware you are fighting a losing battle.


calm down robbie. or i'm locking it.

calm down robbie. or i'm locking it.

Sorry boss *doffs hat and walks off*

So United donated £10,000 from the beamback and £48,000 to the Millers total £58,000.

The Owls donate Shirt sponsorship worth £500,000.

So come on Blades when are you donating the other £442,000 ?

So United donated £10,000 from the beamback and £48,000 to the Millers total £58,000.

The Owls donate Shirt sponsorship worth £500,000.

So come on Blades when are you donating the other £442,000 ?

:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:, shirt sponsership worth £500,000.

So United donated £10,000 from the beamback and £48,000 to the Millers total £58,000.

The Owls donate Shirt sponsorship worth £500,000.

So come on Blades when are you donating the other £442,000 ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Shirt sponsorship £500k? Wednesday? Championship?

Come on mate, get real.

Sponsorship would be worth £200k at most - and I think you would be lucky to get that.

Also when does that SCH see the money? Oh yes I remember - they aren't getting any money - they're just getting sponsorship.

You sound like very bitter Blades!

The Owls have made a very generous gesture giving up their Shirt Sponsorhip money for the next 2 years. http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Sheffield-Wednesday39s-hospital-shirt-deal.4963055.jp

What do some Blade fans do? Look at us, look at us we gave £10,000 (and I say well done, good on the Blades) But to then to start questiong why the owls didn't donate their money from the Beamback -

Don't you think you're being a bit pathetic?

You sound like very bitter Blades!

And why is that then?

The Owls have made a very generous gesture giving up their Shirt Sponsorhip money for the next 2 years. http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Sheffield-Wednesday39s-hospital-shirt-deal.4963055.jp


Who is disputing that is a generous offer?


What do some Blade fans do? Look at us, look at us we gave £10,000 (and I say well done, good on the Blades) But to then to start questiong why the owls didn't donate their money from the Beamback -

Where did I question their motives not to give the money to charity?

Don't you think you're being a bit pathetic?

No, I really don't.

Have you read through all the posts?

If united had a proper ground instead of something that looks like a B&Q warehouse with about as much seating as you would find in a camp site toilet block there would not be a need for a beamback at all

If united had a proper ground instead of something that looks like a B&Q warehouse with about as much seating as you would find in a camp site toilet block there would not be a need for a beamback at all

What a reasoned arguement.

What was the reason a beamback was required to Bramall Lane a fair few seasons back then?

If united had a proper ground instead of something that looks like a B&Q warehouse with about as much seating as you would find in a camp site toilet block there would not be a need for a beamback at all


is there a conveyer belt at pigsbro churning these clowns out.

is there a conveyer belt at pigsbro churning these clowns out.

he`s a blade - look at his name -dead giveaway:hihi::hihi:

he`s a blade - look at his name -dead giveaway:hihi::hihi:

see what i mean :loopy:

is there a conveyer belt at pigsbro churning these clowns out.

Bladebloke the self proclaimed king of the windup, it looks like the muppeteer has you dangling on his strings :P

Bladebloke the self proclaimed king of the windup, it looks like the muppeteer has you dangling on his strings :P


and another.

and another.

your gathering a few stalkers tday old boy:gag:

If united had a proper ground instead of something that looks like a B&Q warehouse with about as much seating as you would find in a camp site toilet block there would not be a need for a beamback at all

This is a perfect example of a a stupid post that turns off sensible supporters of both blue and red persuasion. :loopy:

What a reasoned arguement.

What was the reason a beamback was required to Bramall Lane a fair few seasons back then?

The reason was because United sold out their allocation (8000 or so tickets - as generous an allocation as Hillsborough is able to give) and had the good sense to see that they could make more money with a beamback.

The reason for the beamback a week ago was because of United's miserly allocation to Wednesday in their attempt to have an overwhelming support on the day, an act that prevented thousands of Wednesday from going to Bramall Lane to watch the match.

The reason was because United sold out their allocation (8000 or so tickets - as generous an allocation as Hillsborough is able to give) and had the good sense to see that they could make more money with a beamback.

So you're saying the Owls could NOT have given the Blades any more tickets? (I'd look at your attendance for that before you think to say it wasn't possible)

The reason for the beamback a week ago was because of United's miserly allocation to Wednesday in their attempt to have an overwhelming support on the day, an act that prevented thousands of Wednesday from going to Bramall Lane to watch the match.

Miserly Allocation? I believe we were 500 off maximum capacity..... so therefore I believe the allocation set was correct.

It's also the same allocation that was given to the majority of the Premier League teams.

The reason for the beamback a week ago was because of United's miserly allocation to Wednesday in their attempt to have an overwhelming support on the day, an act that prevented thousands of Wednesday from going to Bramall Lane to watch the match.

so do you believe wendys miserly allocation (3,000) to united fans in 93/94. the match that actually started all this lesser allocation for away fans.was for the same reasons.

It's all gone quiet over there.