has shefield city council gone mad? without starting up another thread with regard the anti-smoking brigade and pro smokers (there have been numerous threads and one ongoing) this is particularly with regard the recent fines for throwing down cigarette ends.

are the council seriously suggesting that smokers throw their cigarette ends in litter bins?????
the anti smoking brigade will no doubt argue that they shouldn't be smoking in public - this is not the issue - there is not a ban on smoking in public places at present and whilst there is not then it could be argued that sheffield city council do not have a case to impose fines if they do not supply a means of disposal - i noticed at morrisons supermarket that they now provide litter bins outside with a top filled with sand for disposal of cigarette ends and I duly placed my cigarette end in this.

i suggest that the real litter louts are targeted and that they visit the shopping areas at lunch times when schoolchildren blitz the area with their fish and chip wrappers.

as a smoker you may see me as biased but i think the £50 fine for dropping cigarette ends is ridiculous , as is chucking it in a bin. personally i smoke rollups with biodegradable cardboard 'roaches' but i can understand where people are coming from when places like bus stops are littered with ends. i think all bins should have cigarette disposal parts on the top like some in town do. i wonder how many bins which could be containing potentially harmful substances have been set alight by people throwing their fag ends in that havent been put out properly. a bin full of burning plastic bottles and papers with inks on is nasty if you have the displeasure to inhale it. i always put my cigs out properly and wait a minute before disposing of it properly in a bin when i am around town rather than chuck it on the floor anyway but im afraid when there is no bin it gets chucked on the floor. ashtrays at bus stops would be a brilliant idea dont you think? as that is where most of the cigarette ends seem to collect. also i find it laughable that the people giving out these fines are city centre ambassadors .... unimportant people on a big power trip from what i have found. most will go out of their way to try and do you for something even though theyre pretty much powerless.
my mum was telling me that a friend of hers was walking through town , struggling with a pram and shopping and proceeded to drop her cigarette end on the floor as there were no available bins/ashtrays etc. she was then stopped by two ambassadors that had followed her down the road just to watch what she did with her cigarette end and proceeded to give her an on the spot fine. i find this appaling when there are much more uncouth and disrespectful people littering because they can , and spitting their gum and phlem all over our streets.

I was stopped by an environmental enforcement officer last summer, outside steel city house, because he thought I had thrown my cig butt in the street.

It went something like this

Him:"I have just witnessed you throwing your cigarette end in the street"
Me:"No you haven't"
-"Yes I have"
-"No, you haven't. You have witnessed me throwing my cigarette end down the drain"
-"Oh. Would you mind showing me the drain"

I duly did, and told him he should be careful about what he claims to witness, as that sort of thing counts as lying.

He seemed genuinely crestfallen at first, especially as I mistook him as a market researcher, and told him bluntly I didn't have the time to deal with him. But he became quite agitated (as one might expect) when I started lecturing him on the difference between what he thought he saw and what he actually saw.

What he actually witnessed was me throwing a cig butt away and it landing out of his sight.

Now, I smoke rollies, and they are about as biodegradeable as it is possible to get. I mean, they virtually begin to break down into compost just after you put them between your lips.

Filter tipped cigarettes, on the other hand, are about as non-biodegradeable as it is possible to get, and supposedly last for thousands of years before breaking down. (how anyone knows this is perplexing).

I walk to n from work & the bulk of litter I see in the street is smoking related ephemera. Disposable lighters, butts, packets, cellophane film from packets.
The times I've witnessed drivers tossing their little red end from their vehicle windows instead of using the in-cab ashtray is innumerable!

:clap: Good one council. A day for common sense.

I hope they all get fines, Chuffin tramps!

They are not "targetting" "smokers".

They are treating ALL litter louts with the same level of enforcement.

What gives a smoker special rights?

What amazes me with this subject,( just as it does with all smoking related threads) is that the smokers will demand their right to continue with their anti social behaviour.

Smoking whilst driving should be banned also, as this is IMHO more dangerous than eating or answering a mobile phone, both of which will get you fined.

Originally posted by cgksheff
They are not "targetting" "smokers".

They are treating ALL litter louts with the same level of enforcement.

What gives a smoker special rights?

The point above about suitable recepticles for butt ends not being provided.

The point is, they fine people for littering, but do not provide any equipment to stop them from littering.

Originally posted by liencam
The point above about suitable recepticles for butt ends not being provided.

The point is, they fine people for littering, but do not provide any equipment to stop them from littering.

Equipment to stop littering:

Brain (would appear to be in short supply)
Hands
Pockets
Bags
Empty Bank Account after paying fines

It is an offence. Just don't do it.

I understand that Ciggarette butts take over a decade to degrade, which is why it is important for smokers to discard their litter into a proper litter bin rather tthan just dropping it on to the floor. I have found ciggarette ends in the garden when I have been turning the soil over before now, that are almost as they were left nearly 20 years after they were smoked and buried.

It makes me very angry when I see cigarettes discarded. I once was having motorcycle training and a lowlife thew a fags packet out of their car window and it landed in my instructor's lap, he persued them for quite a while but they kept the window shut and the doors locked.

Originally posted by cgksheff
Equipment to stop littering:

Brain (would appear to be in short supply)
Hands
Pockets
Bags
Empty Bank Account after paying fines

It is an offence. Just don't do it.

I think you are missing the point here, and actually being quite rude.

No-one is suggesting we litter deliberately, we are just pointing out the idiosyncrasies of fining people for dropping butt ends, but not providing suitable bins/extinguishing points at the same time.

The reason people on here admit to sometimes dropping a butt end is to prevent a fire from occuring.

In order to enforce this policy and make it viable they need to increase the number of fag butt bins, faced with hoying it on the floor and possibly incurring a £50 fine or popping it a bin, setting it on fire and getting charged with arson I know which I'd prefer.

I know that these ambassador/environmental chaps are only doing their job in enforcing this but I've got better things to do than argue the toss over a fag end.

If they want to do something constructive then clear the sleeping drunken bums and their piles of crap off the patch of grass at Cathedral, target the degenerate vermin who smash bottles over the streets making it an assault course and the people who throw their half eaten burgers to the ground.

When they've accomplished all this and my city is sparkling like a new pin then come and pull me up on my paltry roll up butt, until then don't even expect the time of day.

I am suggesting that a lot of people do litter thoughtlessly and sometimes deliberately.
.. and then winge with excuses for doing it.

Want to stop a fire?
Stub your cigarette out on the sole of your shoe and if your still not happy,, then spit on it for good measure.

Why should you have a right to discard an incendary item in a hazardous fashion?

(I am also easily minded to the belief that litter bins do not necessarily reduce litter.)

Originally posted by cgksheff
Why should you have a right to discard an incendary item in a hazardous fashion?


We are asking for the right to discard incendary items safely!

Originally posted by liencam
We are asking for the right to discard incendary items safely!

You and you alone decide to smoke! do not expect me as a non smoker to contribute towards stopping you breaking the law because of your filthy habit.

You and all the other smokers ought to have a levy placed upon you to pay for the extra precautions you that are needed to avoid you breaking the laws of the land.

I used to smoke .. and in the street too!! (how unladylike ;))

30/40 years ago, in my yoof, littering was really frowned upon and we used to carry small lidded tins around for our fag ends ... and we also used matches for lighting (who could afford a lighter! no disposables around then) and put the spent match the other way round back in the box. I can't see why smokers can't do the same today?

I think the main problem is that people have just got used to throwing their rubbish down anywhere they happen to be at the time, instead of binning it or taking it home for disposal. Now that the street sweepers dont actually sweep but use those pickers to clear litter, you can clearly see where most of the detritus comes from - it's filters from fags!

Sorry smokers, but you have to take some responsbility for the by-products of your habit ... the cellophane, the bit of silver paper, the empty packet, the plastic lighter and the filters ... clear up after yourselves!

Originally posted by owdlad

You and all the other smokers ought to have a levy placed upon you to pay for the extra precautions you that are needed to avoid you breaking the laws of the land.

I believe that there already is Owdlad, that would be the outrageous taxes that are levied by the treasury. Granted that a lot of it should be for the NHS for when we smokers get ill though whatever nastys eventually get us but the chances of the correct proportions actually reaching NHS coffers is slim to naff all.

The same would apply to any additional proposed levy, the money'd just go so Derry Irving can buy £70 a roll wall paper :D

is it really that difficult to put out a cigarette properly so that it won't set a bin on fire, or are you all just too lazy?

Originally posted by rubydazzler
30/40 years ago, in my yoof, littering was really frowned upon and we used to carry small lidded tins around for our fag ends ... and we also used matches for lighting (who could afford a lighter! no disposables around then) and put the spent match the other way round back in the box. I can't see why smokers can't do the same today?


I remember my dad carrying around his little silver coloured box for his fag ends.

Since the new little laws have come in, some councils have done handouts of 'stubbies'- little heatproof pouches to put the spent ciggie in.

I ended up getting a pack of five online (http://www.buttsandgum.com/) and giving them a try, and they aren't half bad :)

Certainly takes away the worry that I'll end up setting fire to a bin, anyway. ;)

Originally posted by liencam
I think you are missing the point here, and actually being quite rude.

No-one is suggesting we litter deliberately, we are just pointing out the idiosyncrasies of fining people for dropping butt ends, but not providing suitable bins/extinguishing points at the same time.

The reason people on here admit to sometimes dropping a butt end is to prevent a fire from occuring.

Exactly! - once again the anti smoking brigade jump in - this is not about whether smoking is right or wrong - this is about sheffield city council providing the means of disposal - both for litter and for cigarette ends. shall we be "good" citizens and discard our cigarette ends in litter bins, hence causing the fire brigade to turn out? i don't see how sheffield city council can justify fining either people throwing litter or cigarette ends if suitable disposal is not provided at reasonable intervals, and I do think that smokers are being particularly targeted - they see someone smoking knowing full well there is no means of disposal and simply await for them to finish their cigarette - let's have some common sense city council.

lets keep to the point - this is not about agreeing or disagreeing with smoking - this is about suitable disposal - if cigarette butts are litter then the litter bins should be suitable for this purpose - as for carrying around disposal "bins" for cigarettes, this is ridiculous - should we all carry around "disposable bins" then for our rubbish? - let's not discriminate - rubbish is rubbish. And I really do think that time could be better targeted on the rubbish littered housing estates at school lunchtimes where this appears to be acceptable.

If receptacles are suitable then responsible people will use them - irresponsible people will contiue to discard them indiscrimenatly as they would with any other rubbish.

Originally posted by Swan_Vesta
I believe that there already is Owdlad, that would be the outrageous taxes that are levied by the treasury. Granted that a lot of it should be for the NHS for when we smokers get ill though whatever nastys eventually get us but the chances of the correct proportions actually reaching NHS coffers is slim to naff all.

The same would apply to any additional proposed levy, the money'd just go so Derry Irving can buy £70 a roll wall paper :D

I say again, it is your decision to smoke, and any costs incurred should be carried by you and you alone.

I don't remember Seeing Lord Irving throwing wall paper in the street, is there a link to the picture :D

Originally posted by liencam

The reason people on here admit to sometimes dropping a butt end is to prevent a fire from occuring.

The notion of "Oh look I've finished my cig, I'd better throw it on the floor in order to stop fires from occuring" seems to me absurd.

If there is no bin when I have finished some chips with greasy wrapper, I don't throw that on the floor, i put it in my bag/pocket. Simple enough. Fag ends are the same. Extinguish them and put them in a bin or take them home.

with all due respect owdlad, you are off track - there have been and still are posts discussing the rights and wrongs of smoking - you are clearly anti-smoking and that is a matter for you but this is not a debate on smoking, it is a debate about the means of disposal of litter - i think you have already made your point that smoking is a bad habit - however, for now smoking is not banned in public - my point is, both with paper litter and cigarette ends, the council have to take some responsibility by providing recepticals at reasonable intervals.

tim rutter, at least you know what the debate is about - i respect what you are saying but only a very few would stick greasy chip papers in their pocket until they got home, as with a cigarette butt - I commend you for being an exceptionally good citizen!

Originally posted by sally_sheff
with all due respect owdlad, you are off track - there have been and still are posts discussing the rights and wrongs of smoking - you are clearly anti-smoking and that is a matter for you but this is not a debate on smoking, it is a debate about the means of disposal of litter - i think you have already made your point that smoking is a bad habit - however, for now smoking is not banned in public - my point is, both with paper litter and cigarette ends, the council have to take some responsibility by providing recepticals at reasonable intervals.

My stance on smoking has nothing to do with the fact that I do not see why anyone other than smokers should pay for the disposal of their spent fag ends, but of course it wont be the fault of the smokers...it never is.

Originally posted by sally_sheff
with all due respect owdlad, you are off track - there have been and still are posts discussing the rights and wrongs of smoking - you are clearly anti-smoking and that is a matter for you but this is not a debate on smoking, it is a debate about the means of disposal of litter - i think you have already made your point that smoking is a bad habit - however, for now smoking is not banned in public - my point is, both with paper litter and cigarette ends, the council have to take some responsibility by providing recepticals at reasonable intervals.

Here's a radical idea:

First: drop the fag end on the floor, tread on it as normal until you're sure it's extinguished.

Next: BEND DOWN AND PICK IT UP and put it in your pocket/handbag until a suitable bin/receptacle can be found.

Job done.

owdlad, you're missing something here - we all pay council tax which includes the cost of litter disposal - are we now getting into a situation where we discriminate what type of litter we can discard? smoking is not banned, smoking is litter, smokers pay council tax, therefore suitable bins should be provided

Originally posted by mojoworking
Here's a radical idea:

First: drop the fag end on the floor, tread on it as normal until you're sure it's extinguished.

Next: BEND DOWN AND PICK IT UP and put it in your pocket/handbag until a suitable bin/receptacle can be found.

Job done.

THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT - SUITABLE BIN/RECEPTACLE?????
WELL DONE MORRISONS FOR PROVIDING THESE - YOU SET AN EXAMPLE TO SHEFFIELD CITY COUNCIL

Call me old-fashioned, but surely council tax does not pay for the clear-up of deliberate littering, which is still against the law, I believe.

Originally posted by owdlad
My stance on smoking has nothing to do with the fact that I do not see why anyone other than smokers should pay for the disposal of their spent fag ends, but of course it wont be the fault of the smokers...it never is.

it's not a valid comment though, why should anyone who doesn't eat a burger pay for a burger wrapper disposal system? Or anything else you care to name.
We live in a communal society, that means I pay for some kids to go to school when I don't have any and you pay for sensible litter disposal options for everyone.

The argument that is valid (as far as I can see) is that there's no reason a cigarette can't go in a bin if it's put out properly.

Originally posted by sally_sheff
THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT - SUITABLE BIN/RECEPTACLE?????
WELL DONE MORRISONS FOR PROVIDING THESE - YOU SET AN EXAMPLE TO SHEFFIELD CITY COUNCIL

Well, a suitable bin could be your rubbish bin at home. Why not take your fag ends home with you?

Originally posted by sally_sheff


tim rutter, at least you know what the debate is about - i respect what you are saying but only a very few would stick greasy chip papers in their pocket until they got home, as with a cigarette butt - I commend you for being an exceptionally good citizen!

Ah so you accept that the dropping of cig ends on the floor is wrong. So tell me why do so many people litter in this way? I would imagine a lot who do would class themselves as good citizens! Perhaps therefore the council is correct in the fining of these people to educate them as to the correct ways of life.

Originally posted by sally_sheff
with all due respect owdlad, you are off track - there have been and still are posts discussing the rights and wrongs of smoking - you are clearly anti-smoking and that is a matter for you but this is not a debate on smoking, it is a debate about the means of disposal of litter - i think you have already made your point that smoking is a bad habit - however, for now smoking is not banned in public - my point is, both with paper litter and cigarette ends, the council have to take some responsibility by providing recepticals at reasonable intervals.

tim rutter, at least you know what the debate is about - i respect what you are saying but only a very few would stick greasy chip papers in their pocket until they got home, as with a cigarette butt - I commend you for being an exceptionally good citizen!

if all people were like tim then the world would be a much cleaner place - unfortunately i think the majority of people would not be prepared to carry EITHER of these items in their pockets for too long. Again, if the council are to implement the no litter policy then they should also take some resposibility in ensuring that there are means of litter disposal for ALL means of litter.

Tim, I do accept dropping cigarette ends is wrong, as is dropping any other litter - I am saying let's not discriminate about the type of litter and let's have suitable recepticals. I am not areguing the pros and cons of smoking - i am simply saying let's not discriminate about the type of litter - sheffield city council are targeting smokers because they know there is no suitable means of disposal.

at the entrace of morrisons there were no cigarette butts visible other than in the suitable litter bin - visit most food outlets where suitable bins ARE provided and i think it is likely that the area would still be strewn with litter as on estates with fish and chip shops etc.

Originally posted by sally_sheff
owdlad, you're missing something here - we all pay council tax which includes the cost of litter disposal - are we now getting into a situation where we discriminate what type of litter we can discard? smoking is not banned, smoking is litter, smokers pay council tax, therefore suitable bins should be provided

Sally, I am not missing anything- I am aware that we all pay council tax, I am also aware that the smokers have the choice as to whether they smoke or not just as gardeners pay council tax.

Yet we don't hear gardeners constantly harping on that they want extra skips for garden refuge at other council tax payers expense.

(Said he who is off to the tip to get rid of some garden refuge) :)

Originally posted by owdlad
Sally, I am not missing anything- I am aware that we all pay council tax, I am also aware that the smokers have the choice as to whether they smoke or not just as gardeners pay council tax.

Yet we don't hear gardeners constantly harping on that they want extra skips for garden refuge at other council tax payers expense.

(Said he who is off to the tip to get rid of some garden refuge) :)

didn't you just shoot your whole argument out of the water?

I don't garden therefore I object to you requiring that the council provide tips. Instead you should be forced to fly tip and then fined for doing it!

Not one smoker has explained why they can't put out a cigarette properly and put it in a normal bin though.

Originally posted by owdlad
You and you alone decide to smoke! do not expect me as a non smoker to contribute towards stopping you breaking the law because of your filthy habit.

You and all the other smokers ought to have a levy placed upon you to pay for the extra precautions you that are needed to avoid you breaking the laws of the land.

There are times owdlad when you sound like an ex-smoker. Ex-smokers are usually the most vehement in their condemnation of those who smoke. :D

In fact smokers pay an enormous levy on their filthy habit, well over 80% of the cost of a pack of cigarettes is tax. And I believe a larger proportion of local authority costs are met from national taxation than council tax ?

To me a much filthier habit is that of the gum chewers who spit out their gum on the pavement, - and thousands do as you can see from the state of the pavements in town. If you're so concerned about your council tax it's these people you should be having a go at; cigarette ends are easily swept up and disposed of, but it's far more costly to remove the gum trodden into the pavement.

I really don't see the problem with disposal of cigarette ends in litter bins. Just stub out the fag on the top of the bin...make sure it's extinguished and drop it in :confused:

It's really just a storm in a teacup and smokers are not being 'targeted'. Dropping any kind of litter can earn you a £50 fine, - sweet wrappers, crisp packets, chewing gum snotty tissues etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by Greybeard

To me a much filthier habit is that of the gum chewers who spit out their gum on the pavement,

See the headlines now:
"Man dies of Cancer after passive gum spitting" :rolleyes:

I agree that smokers should dispose of their fag ends properly.

However, it is simply *sensible*, if you want to encourage people to behave in the way that you would like, to make it easy for them to do so.

Smoking was recently banned from Sheffield Magistrates Court and so now all the smokers congregate at the end of the bridge. But no litter bin provided!

So lots of fag ends lying around. Surely just a simple matter to provide some kind of fag-end holding receptacle?...

Owdlad - What is the point in making people's lives difficult just because you dislike smoking. Sounds a little spiteful perhaps?

Originally posted by viking
See the headlines now:
"Man dies of Cancer after passive gum spitting" :rolleyes:

Afraid you've lost me there....I thought we were discussing the measures adopted by the council to keep the streets clean :confused:

maybe the council should use the money collected from fines to pay for somewhere we could dispose of our fag ends properly ? but that'd mean theyd make less money after all ...

Originally posted by tim_rutter
The notion of "Oh look I've finished my cig, I'd better throw it on the floor in order to stop fires from occuring" seems to me absurd.

If there is no bin when I have finished some chips with greasy wrapper, I don't throw that on the floor, i put it in my bag/pocket. Simple enough. Fag ends are the same. Extinguish them and put them in a bin or take them home.

fag ends and chip wrappers are 2 different things. you dont have to put out a chip wrapper before you dispose of it. factory cigarettes are sometimes very hard to put out and even when thoroughly stubbed into an ashtray still manage to miraculously light themselves again. if youre in a rush and dont extinguish it properly then throw it in a bin it could be a potential danger whereas if were given proper ashtray/bins the problem would be solved. its like when drivers chuck their fag end out of their car window without any thought of where it might land , also potentially dangerous yes?

Originally posted by owdlad
Sally, I am not missing anything- I am aware that we all pay council tax, I am also aware that the smokers have the choice as to whether they smoke or not just as gardeners pay council tax.

Yet we don't hear gardeners constantly harping on that they want extra skips for garden refuge at other council tax payers expense.

(Said he who is off to the tip to get rid of some garden refuge) :)

Owdlad, we are not talking about disposing of refuse at home - we can all dispose of rubbish at home - after all i have a bin for paper, a bin for rubbish, a bin for garden refuse and now they are talking about another bin for plastic or metal - I have ashtrays at home which are emptied into the bin when there is no danger of any cigarette being partly lit. Again you are going off track - we are talking about litter in the streets - your argument is still about whether or not one should smoke - clearly you are an anti-smoking campaigner but this is NOT what the topic is about - no one is condoning disposing of ANY kind of rubbish - just that it would be sensible, to keep the environment clean of rubbish, to provide the facilities to do so.

By the way I have just returned from the local shopping centre, no fag ends could be seen because the chip and sandwich wrappers were obscuring the ground. Again, I would remind you that smokers are also tax payers, the same as the people who eat fish and chips and throw down the litter and the people who dispose of garden rubbish - we are talking about shared responsibility here between sheffield city council and people who would prefer to dispose of their rubbish were there the facilities to do so.

Why are fag ends thrown on the street outside? It's coz it's the safest way to dispose of em.

I'd put an empty crisp packet in my jacket pocket and take it to the nearest bin. But I wouldn't do that with a fag butt in case there are still some live embers. Rather a £50 pound fine than a blazer in the truest sense of the word.

The council should provide on-street ashtrays. I have ashtrays at home and I use them. Otherwise I'll say to smokers, yes, throw your butts in wastepaper bins and leave the council to deal with the fires that break out...

I always look to put cigarettes out in ashtrays etc. However if you are walking down the street you have the option of a: chucking your but or b: standing on it and then put in it a bin.

Introdice proper smoking bins and then people don't have an excuse for littering.

Originally posted by E-Man Groovin
But I wouldn't do that with a fag butt in case there are still some live embers. Rather a £50 pound fine than a blazer in the truest sense of the word.


Is it really that hard to extinguish a cigarette??????

Quite right too. It's about time the authorities started getting tough with these selffish people who throw fag ends all over the place. If you must smoke in public then kindly put your extinguised fag ends in your pocket or bag and take them home with you.

the debate is not about the rights and wrongs of smoking, nor about permission to throw cigarette butts down on the ground, but to be given the means of disposing of them in a REASONABLE way as one would do with litter - if the city council are targetting smokers as litter louts, then they should provide a suitable bin for disposal - are city council suggesting that we dispose of the cigarette butts in rubbish bins? It would be interesting, if the matter were taken to court, as to whether sheffield city council would have a valid argument - if this happened and they won then no doubt all smokers will dispose of their cigarrete ends in bins - what then? - CHAOS, I'm sure fires would be accidentally started and the emergency services taken up in extinguishing these fires.

Cigarette butts are considered litter therefore litter bins should be appropriate.

I think the council should find better things to pass their time with than silly excuses for making money off people.

Some lads from my 6th form were fined on the spot (about £50 each) in Broomhill for dropping fag ends. I feel bad for them but it's a good idea. People should have some respect for their environment...mind you smokers don't have a lot of respect for themselves or others health so there you go. What do you expect?

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Some lads from my 6th form were fined on the spot (about £50 each) in Broomhill for dropping fag ends. I feel bad for them but it's a good idea. People should have some respect for their environment...mind you smokers don't have a lot of respect for themselves or others health so there you go. What do you expect?

Well said Rosey :thumbsup: once again you have hit the nail on the head :clap: :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by owdlad
Well said Rosey :thumbsup: once again you have hit the nail on the head :clap: :clap: :clap:

Aah I'm just a do-gooder with a knack for procrastinating :D

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Aah I'm just a do-gooder with a knack for procrastinating :D

Sorry love I thought you had got that cleared up with that cream from the clinic ;)

lol! like that Owdy . . .BTW - which cream is it??

Originally posted by owdlad
Sorry love I thought you had got that cleared up with that cream from the clinic ;) :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

Originally posted by Lestat
lol! like that Owdy . . .BTW - which cream is it??

Whipped!

Haha ok stop now.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Whipped!

Haha ok stop now.

No comment ;) ;) ;) :D

so none of the posting smokers is prepared to help themselves and use the little "stubbies" someone mentioned earlier? I thought they sounded a really good idea and a handy solution to the problem :(

It seems some people always want someone else to provide the solutions to their problems ... why is that? I pay two lots of council tax and if I can't find a bin I always take my rubbish home with me for disposal ... what's the big difficulty with carrying a few filters around in a little tin for a few hours?

Seems to me you're all just making a mountain out of a molehill, complaining for the sake of it.

Originally posted by rubydazzler
so none of the posting smokers is prepared to help themselves and use the little "stubbies" someone mentioned earlier? I

Seems to me you're all just making a mountain out of a molehill, complaining for the sake of it.

So true Ruby, but of course smokers are not know as the most tolerant or understanding of people otherwise they wouldn't fire up in the company of those who don't partake of their addiction.

Originally posted by Greybeard

To me a much filthier habit is that of the gum chewers who spit out their gum on the pavement, - and thousands do as you can see from the state of the pavements in town. If you're so concerned about your council tax it's these people you should be having a go at; cigarette ends are easily swept up and disposed of, but it's far more costly to remove the gum trodden into the pavement.

.
Aren't all smokers gum chewers? :suspect: :heyhey: :hihi:
The one's I know are - so that's a double disgrace.

I remember attending a 'buzzer' in the day room of a hospital ward once when I was a student nurse.
I hated having to go in that room cos then patients were allowed to smoke in there :gag: :loopy:
Anyway on entry I saw the bin was well alight & the gormless smoker who'd caused it was sat watching it supping his pot of tea. :o Aye - for real.
Decided to buzz as the fire was starting to reach the top of the bin.
So I took his tea off him & drenched the flames - you should have seen his face. LIKE I WASN'T NORMAL!
Smokers for ya :roll:

Originally posted by sally_sheff
the debate is not about the rights and wrongs of smoking, nor about permission to throw cigarette butts down on the ground, but to be given the means of disposing of them in a REASONABLE way as one would do with litter - if the city council are targetting smokers as litter louts, then they should provide a suitable bin for disposal - are city council suggesting that we dispose of the cigarette butts in rubbish bins? It would be interesting, if the matter were taken to court, as to whether sheffield city council would have a valid argument - if this happened and they won then no doubt all smokers will dispose of their cigarrete ends in bins - what then? - CHAOS, I'm sure fires would be accidentally started and the emergency services taken up in extinguishing these fires.

Cigarette butts are considered litter therefore litter bins should be appropriate.

People complain about this country turning into a "Nanny State" yet smokers actually feel the need for people in authority to tell them how to extinguish and dispose of a fag safely and want specialist equipment provided?!?!?

The Three Step Guide to Fag Disposal for ESN Smokers...

Step 1: Stub the thing out - preferably in your own eye you filthy animal.

Step 2: Double check it is properly extinguished by holding it against your tongue for 30 seconds.

Step 3: Put the thing in you pocket, bag, tin box or anything else you can think of, and take the stinking thing home with you.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

we are not discussing the rights and wrongs of smoking - we are discussing a means of disposing LITTER of which cigarette butts are classed as - no specialist equipment needed, just a suitable bin - NOT DIFFICULT.

And I suppose you're so considerate that you don't drive because of the fumes you inflict on others. All these people that rant on about smoking are quite happy to disregard the fact that they are equally poisoning people with their car fumes and damaging the ozone layer, paritulary those that are too lazy to walk the 100 yards to the school with their kids.

Anyway, like yourself, this is going off track - this thread is NOT about approving of smoking, there are other threads for that debate. However, for those that that are hysterical and obsessive at the mention of smoking then I suppose any thread with a mention of smoking is like a honey pot to a bee - they just can't resist!!!!

Originally posted by sally_sheff
we are not discussing the rights and wrongs of smoking - we are discussing a means of disposing LITTER of which cigarette butts are classed as - no specialist equipment needed, just a suitable bin - NOT DIFFICULT.

And I suppose you're so considerate that you don't drive because of the fumes you inflict on others. All these people that rant on about smoking are quite happy to disregard the fact that they are equally poisoning people with their car fumes and damaging the ozone layer, paritulary those that are too lazy to walk the 100 yards to the school with their kids.

Anyway, like yourself, this is going off track - this thread is NOT about approving of smoking, there are other threads for that debate. However, for those that that are hysterical and obsessive at the mention of smoking then I suppose any thread with a mention of smoking is like a honey pot to a bee - they just can't resist!!!!

I thought I was bang on topic for a change!

You didn't know how you could dispose of your fag butts without littering the streets or setting fire to bins so I provided some guidance!

OK, I was taking the p*ss. You don't really have to stub them out in your eye or on your tongue. There are ways. It isn't difficult. I reckon even a non-smoker could do it. ;)

An I thought you lot said smokers were the ones with the sense of humour! :rolleyes:

Stubbing cigarettes out on the street is imho no different to chicking anything else on the street. It is litter and needs to be picked up, normally by the street cleaners, who cost money and are paid for out of council tax.
There are plenty models of bins with ashtrays connected. If these are placed in the streets then there is no problem. And even with the normal bins, you can put your fags out on the side of them and then chuck the tabend in the bin. It's easy, clean and saves money for council tax payers.

Look at it this way... if there were no dog ends on the streets, our less fortunate down and out friends wouldn't be able to recycle them, and take the craving away... :hihi:

Originally posted by fhain29
Stubbing cigarettes out on the street is imho no different to chicking anything else on the street. It is litter and needs to be picked up, normally by the street cleaners, who cost money and are paid for out of council tax.
There are plenty models of bins with ashtrays connected. If these are placed in the streets then there is no problem. And even with the normal bins, you can put your fags out on the side of them and then chuck the tabend in the bin. It's easy, clean and saves money for council tax payers.

I would say the latter option is quite dangerous. I do agree with your comment about there being plenty of models of bins with ashtrays connected - this is my whole point - WHERE ARE THEY????

No one is suggesting that smokers should be litter louts.

Anti smoking campaigners will be pleased to know that Sheffield City Council appear to be doing it's job - I saw very few fag ends in town today - sadly though there was loads and loads of litter!