link here:
http://www.gamefair.co.uk/show-areas/features-and-attractions/44730091/family-dogs/

looks like there's plenty to do, and lots to see

they even have a dog creche!

(some of you may be more interested in the lure coursing or terrier racing though ;) )

Wot? Don't be taken in by dog creches. Think about it. Gamefairs are there to promote AND FINANCE hunting and shooting! Hunting dogs are in the main treated terribly not to mention the wildlife and before anyone says that hunting with dogs is illegal, it may be but it goes on without any interference from police or govt - the Hunting with Hounds bill has made little difference to these no-brainers. Errrr. No is the answer!

So basically you don't have a clue :rolleyes:

'Hunting' isn't illegal - there is a hunting act which prevents specific activities relating to locating and dispatching specific 'quarry' under specific criteria

Which packs of hounds do you believe to be ill kept and have you notified the RSPCA?

Oh, and thanks for the thread spoiler - wayyyyy off topic :rant:

Oh Strix I do have many clues! I have been involved in anti hunting for over 35 years, have experienced cruelty that would sicken you, violence towards human beings as well including my husband who was hospitalised by one notorious hunt who were never brought to court. It is a well known fact that hounds are kept hungry, that lost hounds are not searched for after the hunt have done their deadly deads, that countless hounds are killed on motorways/railway lines, that hounds are killed at the flip of a coin if they do not show hunting tendencies. Hunting with hounds IS illegal Strix. There will be plenty of hunting thugs at this particular gamefair selling their propaganda and no one with an ounce of compassion should be showing support for it and the thugs who kill animals for 'sport'.

does that not leave you in a somewhat biased forum?

don't go peddling such misinformation as 'hunting with hounds is illegal' when you know damned well that anybody here reading that will assume that it is illegal to assemble a pack of hounds and take them out into the countryside - which just isn't true

You are making blanket statements which amount to libel quite frankly

I'm am appalled that you would tar every hunt with the same brush - which is no different to tarring every dog or cat owner with the same brush after reading all the cruelty cases the RSCPA have investigated - and you KNOW that isn't true

If you don't want to go, that's your business, but that outburst was quite frankly unnecessary

http://www.league.org.uk/search.asp?q=hounds&submitted=-1

I repeat - The Hunting Act 2004 - a highly publicised act - states 'it is illegal to hunt wild animals with dogs in England and Wales'.

Of course this does not stop the no-brainers taking their hounds into the countryside but because the master of hounds/whippers in are unable to have complete control over the large number of hounds involved, 'accidents' of wild animals being ripped to death, not to mention family pets, are not uncommon as keen be seen from the attached press reports.

The whole issue of blood sports is not aimed at kindness to animals, Strix. Knowing your compassion towards dogs, I was just amazed that you would think a gamefair would constitute a jolly day out! The animals - and these do include dogs - who have given up their lives at the hands of these no-brainers deserve better.

http://www.league.org.uk/search.asp?q=hounds&submitted=-1


Out of interest, do you have a link to the actual bill that isn't just a page of search results on a anti-hunting website please?

I repeat - The Hunting Act 2004 - a highly publicised act - states 'it is illegal to hunt wild animals with dogs in England and Wales'.



They can't hunt wild animals but they still perform things such as drag hunting, where a person runs through the countryside trailing a bag soaked in something usually urine and then the hounds follow the scent.

I know there are probably some groups that do not listen to this law but that is not the same for all. Its the same with all laws - The Animal Act 2006 for example is out there and some people are still cruel to their animals but that does not go for the rest of the population.

Out of interest, do you have a link to the actual bill that isn't just a page of search results on a anti-hunting website please?

Is this any good? - http://www.defra.gov.uk/rural/pdfs/hunting/hunting_leaflet_3fold.pdf

The full document can be found via google.

Is this any good? - http://www.defra.gov.uk/rural/pdfs/hunting/hunting_leaflet_3fold.pdf

The full document can be found via google.

Thankyou very much, I wasn't being funny i'm genuinely interested but prefer to know the facts.

Thankyou very much, I wasn't being funny i'm genuinely interested but prefer to know the facts.That's how I feel about the matter beans - I've never been one to jump on the first bandwaggon that passes or lap up whatever propaganda one group with an agenda has to peddle (which is why I wind up walking an odd line between two points of view on occasions!)

http://www.league.org.uk/search.asp?q=hounds&submitted=-1

I repeat - The Hunting Act 2004 - a highly publicised act - states 'it is illegal to hunt wild animals with dogs in England and Wales'.... and goes on to define 'hunting'

anybody with an interest in this should also look up this week's news item on the high court ruling on 'hunting' - which may be adding to magsie's emotive and misleading posts in this thread

i think it looks great id love to go but i cant

That's how I feel about the matter beans - I've never been one to jump on the first bandwaggon that passes or lap up whatever propaganda one group with an agenda has to peddle (which is why I wind up walking an odd line between two points of view on occasions!)

I don't think it's an odd line to walk, I think it's the most rewarding, you just have to be open minded and mature enough to respectfully disagree or even change your mind.

I don't think people ever get a balanced education in life without walking on the other side for a little while.

link here:
http://www.gamefair.co.uk/show-areas/features-and-attractions/44730091/family-dogs/

looks like there's plenty to do, and lots to see

they even have a dog creche!

(some of you may be more interested in the lure coursing or terrier racing though ;) )

Hi Strix

We usually go to the CLA, especially when its so "close" to home. Will try and get Dragon to go on the Fri, cant do the Sat or Sun as that clashes with one of our agility shows unfortunately (our Finals weekend). Cant imagine it will be as big as usual (often held at Harewood House or Blenheim Palace which offer a much bigger area to hold the show). Its always good fun. I appreciate folk find the idea of hunting with dogs repulsive, I do (purely because, to my mind, hunting something to the point of exhaustion then ripping it apart can never be classed as a "quick" death AND it was proven to not be an effective method of vermin control), and I am a dyed in the wool country girl who started shooting at 6 years of age but to talk from a position of ignorance (which you are doing when you won't be going to the show so won't see what different groups are doing to still maintain their lifestyles and keep all the dogs etc) is crass. I do know that the "hunting" fraternity (and by hunting here I mean shooting) have been traditionally tarred with being "heavy handed" with their training methods and have witnessed this during my 35 years of involvement with the sport but am pleased to report that the days of "breaking a broom o'er its back" seem to be behind us.

Oh Strix I do have many clues! I have been involved in anti hunting for over 35 years, have experienced cruelty that would sicken you, violence towards human beings as well including my husband who was hospitalised by one notorious hunt who were never brought to court. It is a well known fact that hounds are kept hungry, that lost hounds are not searched for after the hunt have done their deadly deads, that countless hounds are killed on motorways/railway lines, that hounds are killed at the flip of a coin if they do not show hunting tendencies. Hunting with hounds IS illegal Strix. There will be plenty of hunting thugs at this particular gamefair selling their propaganda and no one with an ounce of compassion should be showing support for it and the thugs who kill animals for 'sport'.

And I by the same token have seen anti shootists or whatever you want to call yourselves act incredibly stupid, including turning one man's gun on him and killing him outright - all in the "heat of the moment" sorry guv'nor tell that to his family. This man was not hurting anybody, he was doing a hobby he paid for - my dad is part of 3 syndicates at the moment and the average cost of a full gun in these is over £2000 per season (1 Sept to 1 Feb not Sundays) - this cash is used to buy, rear and release birds and also, because no shoot anywhere in the world will shoot all of the thousands of birds they put down each year goes towards propagating the wild population.

And I by the same token have seen anti shootists or whatever you want to call yourselves act incredibly stupid, including turning one man's gun on him and killing him outright - all in the "heat of the moment" sorry guv'nor tell that to his family. This man was not hurting anybody, he was doing a hobby he paid for - my dad is part of 3 syndicates at the moment and the average cost of a full gun in these is over £2000 per season (1 Sept to 1 Feb not Sundays) - this cash is used to buy, rear and release birds and also, because no shoot anywhere in the world will shoot all of the thousands of birds they put down each year goes towards propagating the wild population.

any rich person or snob can put on wellies, wear green and a cap and blow birds out of the sky for 'sport'...big big man.

same goes for fox hunting, really cool to chase foxes with a bunch of dogs...

i dont care what animal gets killed for food, but i cant agree and dont with killing animals for sport. the elitist egos of those who go to shooting parties.

rearing birds to be released and shot.....tough people, pulling a trigger and shooting birds, often not killed and left to suffer

Hi Strix I think its best to ignore the ill informed :D

I'm certainly going to attempt to go this year. I must mark it in my diary it looks like a fantastic family event and helps people understand what the countryside is all about. Education, Education, Education!

Hi Strix I think its best to ignore the ill informed :D

I'm certainly going to attempt to go this year. I must mark it in my diary it looks like a fantastic family event and helps people understand what the countryside is all about. Education, Education, Education!

i know gamekeeprs, i know many country people...

any rich person or snob can put on wellies, wear green and a cap and blow birds out of the sky for 'sport'...big big man.

same goes for fox hunting, really cool to chase foxes with a bunch of dogs...

i dont care what animal gets killed for food, but i cant agree and dont with killing animals for sport. the elitist egos of those who go to shooting parties.

rearing birds to be released and shot.....tough people, pulling a trigger and shooting birds, often not killed and left to suffer

To be released, in many instances shot and then EATEN - kinda negates your argument. As for often not killed and left to suffer, picker uppers go and get any runners, thats if guns with dogs have not already sent fido. Go and see these things in action before you judge - or at least judge from being in a position of knowledge not supposition or ignorance.

To be released, in many instances shot and then EATEN - kinda negates your argument. As for often not killed and left to suffer, picker uppers go and get any runners, thats if guns with dogs have not already sent fido. Go and see these things in action before you judge - or at least judge from being in a position of knowledge not supposition or ignorance.

shall i tell you how i know? a close reletive gamekeeper in Ripon, seen it for myself......thank you very much. its a sport, for toffs...like to shoot things or chase 1 animal with a pack of hounds....

seen dogs that were not upto it, gun to the head, might be quick and painless, but because it wasnt good for the 'sport' it was a problem.

shall i tell you how i know? a close reletive gamekeeper in Ripon, seen it for myself......thank you very much. its a sport, for toffs...like to shoot things or chase 1 animal with a pack of hounds....

seen dogs that were not upto it, gun to the head, might be quick and painless, but because it wasnt good for the 'sport' it was a problem.

I shall have to bow to your ignorant opinion in that case (you have never been on any of the shoots I have been on up and down the country). For everything I have ever seen, including a man murdered (as there is no other word for it) I have never seen a dog shot cos it weren't up t'job. My family are not toffs by the way, just hardworking individuals who pay (very expensively) for their hobby. And as already said, but you neglected to pick up on, I don't agree with hunting with hounds, for reasons again already stated. You, I and millions of folk the world over will have differing opinions about this. Hope your close relative gamekeeper is very understanding of your ignorance and you don't spout off at them when you do not know what you are on about.

I shall have to bow to your ignorant opinion in that case (you have never been on any of the shoots I have been on up and down the country). For everything I have ever seen, including a man murdered (as there is no other word for it) I have never seen a dog shot cos it weren't up t'job. My family are not toffs by the way, just hardworking individuals who pay (very expensively) for their hobby. And as already said, but you neglected to pick up on, I don't agree with hunting with hounds, for reasons again already stated. You, I and millions of folk the world over will have differing opinions about this. Hope your close relative gamekeeper is very understanding of your ignorance and you don't spout off at them when you do not know what you are on about.

you carry on with your expensive hobby of blowing birds away with a gun, and i will keep doing my hobbies that dont involve killing animals, in the name of sport....

about the man who got shot wit his own gun.....a mod sent me a pm, to remove it as someone complained...no surprise someone did that..so i removed it....

anyway, the old saying goes, if you play with fire, you get burnt.......

Cooljules you may know but you don't understand do you?

It would seem from your comments that your opposition is more on the grounds that these people have more money than you, so it just amounts to inverted snobbery.

I have never seen a dog shot because it wasn't up to the job and don't believe that you have.

So please do stick to your own hobbies, I'm happy to leave you to your enjoyment if you leave me to mine.

It is worth pointing our that the Gamefair is more to do with country pursuits in their entirety. I would expect to see dry stone walling, stick making and all the other country crafts being displayed as well as stand for fishing and shooting.

As for your comment about the gentleman being shot deserving it I think its a despivable comment to make and one you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Unforunately you are obviously one of these misguided individuals who rates the life of an animal above that of a human being.

There was always bound to be differences of opinion on this thread, but let us not lose sight of what it is about, it is just advertising a country fair, obviously this will raise other issues, let's keep it polite, not personal and reasonable please folks!

no i dont put humans above animals, but i dont agree with animal sports, certain animals are pests, vermin, what ever, but to chase and kill animals that is classed as a sport i can never agree with
and no i dont agree with animal activists, letting mink free etc. threatening to bomb or dig up the dead....

yes i eat meat, and i know often hows its killed...but i wouldnt chase it for sport, or shoot birds in the sport.

I have lived in a few countries, often living wild, eating what i have killed (yes i love rabbits and pheasants etc) but to kill for sport...i cant agree with

so if it is about building stone walls etc, then good, i agree lots of countryside ways, but cruelty to animals never.....we have come along wa since bear baiting, cock fighting etc etc

never been to the cla gamefair and if it doesnt clash with a show for the horses i will def go!!!

i dont want to go off topic but the anti hunt folk really get my back up and ill explain why!!! i used to keep my horses on a competition/hunting yard and one of the grooms took a young horse out hunting, the hunt came across a group of sabs who did everything in there power to stop the hunt... to the extent of cutting this young horse with some sharp impliment the horse then reared threw the groom off, luckily she wasnt seriously hurt but suffered a few cuts and bruises from then been attacked by the sabs!!!! these people r supposed to be animal lovers!! im not sayin a agree or disagree with country sports but its a way of life and also how ive been brought up.

this is just my opinion n my say so please dont come back at me with abuse ... each to there own.
oh n i love wearing my green wellies n wax jacket when walking my lab..... the chihuahua looks abit out of place thought hehe :hihi::hihi::thumbsup:

Hunt sabs would never hurt any animals. They risk their lives and their liberty to stop bloodsports. I don't see any sympathy out there for my husband who did nothing more than hold a banner at Altcar harecoursing, badly beaten by hunters and hospitalised. And yes it is true, an article appeared in The Star at the time. No action was taken by the laughing policemen. Hundreds of hares were ripped to pieces in one day. Gamefairs (not tiddly winks by the way) are there to promote and finance bloodsports and the Countryside Alliance fall about laughing when they see the despised townies queuing up to have the privilege of doing such that.

never been to the cla gamefair and if it doesnt clash with a show for the horses i will def go!!!

i dont want to go off topic but the anti hunt folk really get my back up and ill explain why!!! i used to keep my horses on a competition/hunting yard and one of the grooms took a young horse out hunting, the hunt came across a group of sabs who did everything in there power to stop the hunt... to the extent of cutting this young horse with some sharp impliment the horse then reared threw the groom off, luckily she wasnt seriously hurt but suffered a few cuts and bruises from then been attacked by the sabs!!!! these people r supposed to be animal lovers!! im not sayin a agree or disagree with country sports but its a way of life and also how ive been brought up.

this is just my opinion n my say so please dont come back at me with abuse ... each to there own.
oh n i love wearing my green wellies n wax jacket when walking my lab..... the chihuahua looks abit out of place thought hehe :hihi::hihi::thumbsup:

so bring back bear baiting, cock fighting etc? all once legal sports......

there is a big difference, between killing vermin etc, correctly, not hunted and chased in the name of sport....

and no i dont agree what happened to your horse...attacks on any animal i hate, just the same way i would let a pack of dogs attack a fox.

i dont agree with lots of sports that involves animals. but pitting 1 animal against another (or may others) or a gun..never

I will certainly be going, Its usually quite a good couple of days out (if a bit expensive), I shall not take both of my vicious bloodthirsty Labradors (one on the chair at the moment one laying under my feet) in case some of those hunt sabs that we ran into a couple of years ago on our shoot kick and beat them again,,,, I really cant understand why they objected when I gave one a bloody nose and threw him in a ditch, after explaining to several others that they would get th same if they touched my dogs again, I realy think that they think that we would still see pheasants in the countryside if shoots didnt release them.

By the way on our shoot there are Dr,s, Binmen, a School Caretaker a plasterer and a police officer stood side by side which of these groups would you say are the "Toffs", all of the landowners appreciate the work that we do to keep the vermin (fox,s) away from their baby lambs and livestock.

Roll on the CLA and Chatsworh Country Fair

To Magsie >>. Bloodsports ??? do you mean Boxing, we are mixing this up with Cuntry persuits or Fieldsports are we not ?????

shall i tell you how i know? a close reletive gamekeeper in Ripon, seen it for myself......thank you very much. its a sport, for toffs...like to shoot things or chase 1 animal with a pack of hounds....

seen dogs that were not upto it, gun to the head, might be quick and painless, but because it wasnt good for the 'sport' it was a problem.

So the quarry men that I ran across the fells in the Lake District with, following their hounds were toffs? That'd be news to them...

I'll be at the Game Fair - first one in 1985 and only missed 2 since then (apart from when it was rained off last year).

OH likes to go to support the rural crafts, the rare breeds trust etc etc, and of course to see the savagery of the cooking demonstrations. :)

By the way on our shoot there are Dr,s, Binmen, a School Caretaker a plasterer and a police officer stood side by side which of these groups would you say are the "Toffs", all of the landowners appreciate the work that we do to keep the vermin (fox,s) away from their baby lambs and livestock.

Roll on the CLA and Chatsworh Country Fair


still doing it at a sport....you dont do it to get rid of vermin, you do it as a sport and get to gether 1st.

Hunt sabs would never hurt any animals. They risk their lives and their liberty to stop bloodsports. I don't see any sympathy out there for my husband who did nothing more than hold a banner at Altcar harecoursing, badly beaten by hunters and hospitalised. And yes it is true, an article appeared in The Star at the time. No action was taken by the laughing policemen. Hundreds of hares were ripped to pieces in one day. Gamefairs (not tiddly winks by the way) are there to promote and finance bloodsports and the Countryside Alliance fall about laughing when they see the despised townies queuing up to have the privilege of doing such that.

i dont go fox hunting myself but i do know the story was true, obviously it could have been an accident that the horse got injured but my friend didnt ask for a kicking, she was out doin her job riding horses!!
wasnt there a story once about sabs leavin a false trail onto a motorway somewhere for the hounds??? im sure ive heard about this a few years ago

sorry to hear about ur husband, i dont think no matter what "anti blood sport" people do, its a way of life, im not saying its right nor am i saying its wrong but its a way of life and has been for a long long time

i dont go fox hunting myself but i do know the story was true, obviously it could have been an accident that the horse got injured but my friend didnt ask for a kicking, she was out doin her job riding horses!!
wasnt there a story once about sabs leavin a false trail onto a motorway somewhere for the hounds??? im sure ive heard about this a few years ago

sorry to hear about ur husband, i dont think no matter what anti blood sport people do, its a way of life, im not saying its right nor am i saying its wrong but its a way of life and has been for a long long time
rape and murder have been going on for a long time, still doesnt make it right...

they banned as i said before, bear baiting etc..but all animal sports are wrong, and people call this the 21st century?

so bring back bear baiting, cock fighting etc? all once legal sports......

there is a big difference, between killing vermin etc, correctly, not hunted and chased in the name of sport....

and no i dont agree what happened to your horse...attacks on any animal i hate, just the same way i would let a pack of dogs attack a fox.

i dont agree with lots of sports that involves animals. but pitting 1 animal against another (or may others) or a gun..never

like i said im just giving my opinion like everyone, has any1 seen what foxes do to livestock? farmers lose a hell of alot of livestock if the fox population isnt controlled.

The thing is Cooljules,,, that they havnt banned Shooting, or Fishing or lots of other fieldsports so these activities are quite legal, if you dont like them dont go near them stay in town where you feel safe whith all the drug dealers and lowlifes go to meadowhall for the day and leave us alone to get on with things that we like to do, i like to shoot pheasants, to take them home and process them for eating, a nice healthy food sorce that has lived out in the wild been harvested and dispatched cleanly and is healthy to eat, you stick to your macdonalds or KFC.

like i said im just giving my opinion like everyone, has any1 seen what foxes do to livestock? farmers lose a hell of alot of livestock if the fox population isnt controlled.

not having a go at you.

yes seen what foxes do, what holes and damage rabbits etc do, but i dont see chasing them by hounds as nothing but spot (and heard they only the old and weak etc etc)

rape and murder have been going on for a long time, still doesnt make it right...

they banned as i said before, bear baiting etc..but all animal sports are wrong, and people call this the 21st century?

as far as im aware murder and rape r illegal, organised shoots/beating/game fairs arnt!

instead of tellin me there wrong tell the rspca im only sharing my opinion and i havent actually said if i agree or disagree with these sports anyway i only gave an example which my friend suffered. :thumbsup:

The thing is Cooljules,,, that they havnt banned Shooting, or Fishing or lots of other fieldsports so these activities are quite legal, if you dont like them dont go near them stay in town where you feel safe whith all the drug dealers and lowlifes go to meadowhall for the day and leave us alone to get on with things that we like to do, i like to shoot pheasants, to take them home and process them for eating, a nice healthy food sorce that has lived out in the wild been harvested and dispatched cleanly and is healthy to eat, you stick to your macdonalds or KFC.
killing for food is 1 thing, a sport is another. and yes i have eaten pheasants etc and wont deny it.

killing for food is 1 thing, a sport is another. and yes i have eaten pheasants etc and wont deny it.

Its a sport 1st and then dinner..... bit like killing 2 birds with one stone !!!!

During the anti-hunt outcry in the 70's, foxhunters would have the British public believe that only a few foxes were killed, because they're such wily creatures the majority got away. Then when they were under threat of a ban, the Countryside Alliance announced the real destruction figures to be in tens of thousands each year. That's some back peddle isn't it? :rolleyes: It was claimed that by abolishing the service foxhunters were providing, foxes would take over the towns and cities, hundreds of dogs and horses would have to be destroyed and thousands would lose their livelihood.

Due to the actual "ban" that was implemented, seemingly none of that was necessary after all because foxes could be culled by shooting, which was claimed would probably cause the fox a slow and painful death if it was only wounded, as opposed to the swift despatch that a pack of hounds carries out. It begs the question just how skilled shooters are doesn't it?

Having an expensive gun does not make someone a skilled marksman, especially at a moving target, which lends weight to the argument that there is an awful lot of animal suffering in the sport of shooting.

I disagree with creatures being bred and killed for sport, particularly when the odds are so severely stacked against them. Is anyone going to deny that animals are bred solely for the purpose? Being freed from a cage in a wood to face the beaters on one side and guns on the other doesn't give game much of a fighting chance does it? Nor does blocking up the earths that a fox might bolt down, then sending in the terriers or startling rabbits with headlights at night, then sending the dogs in.

I'm under no illusions that country pursuits are followed only by the landed gentry, so let's not dress it up as anything other than sport for blood thirsty killers. I'd like to see the dry stone walling demonstration though - that would be wicked! Aside from that, I don't fancy rubbing shoulders with anyone that glorifies killing animals for fun and alters the statistics to suit themselves.

we are mixing this up with Cuntry persuits are we not ?????

Oh the irony!!!!

Let's face it, like any other situation where you get groups of people together, some have underlying motives and use the cover of their cause to get away with crimes and violence towards other people that they would not otherwise get away with, you can't tar everyone with the same brush.

not having a go at you.

yes seen what foxes do, what holes and damage rabbits etc do, but i dont see chasing them by hounds as nothing but spot (and heard they only the old and weak etc etc)

Not hear about lampiing and coursing then? And I thought you were well informed about country pursuits

I disagree with creatures being bred and killed for sport

You know I've never really understood this argument from meat eaters. They are OK with animals being bred and killed for meat which usually involves a stressful trip to a slaughter house.

But object to animals being bred, kept largely in a natural environment as possible and then quickly disptched within seconds/minutes of their normal routine being disturbed. Its not as though these animals are killed and then just left, they are collected and eaten.

I think the crux of the matter here is that they object to people enjoying it! I can only assume that they have the mistaken belief that people enjoy the act of killing - this simply isn't the case. They enjoy everything that leads up to the shoot, the actual kill is just the inevitable end.

Maybe they'd be happier if we were all so miserable whilst doing it.

To Shytalk: your spelling made me fall about laughing. I daren't utter the word but it was inserted between 'with' and 'pursuits'. Hilarious!

To Magsie >>. Bloodsports ??? do you mean Boxing, we are mixing this up with cuntry persuits or Fieldsports are we not ?????

I'm under no illusions that country pursuits are followed only by the landed gentry

So obviously you have only read the choice bits from mine and others posts which clearly state otherwise (unless bin men are usually landed gentry and you have an alternative definition as to what landed gentry constitute).

Not interested in getting into a slanging match with anyone I have my opinion on this and it is, as is often the case, different to others, guess what thats what makes a free country!!!

Oh and Cooljules - I ain't fat (proper curvy not fat!!!), rich or a man - how wrong were you in your massive generalisation!!

To Shytalk: your spelling made me fall about laughing. I daren't utter the word but it was inserted between 'with' and 'pursuits'. Hilarious!

To Magsie >>. Bloodsports ??? do you mean Boxing, we are mixing this up with cuntry persuits or Fieldsports are we not ?????


perhaps this wasn't an error:D

=Shytalk;4663957]I will certainly be going, Its usually quite a good couple of days out (if a bit expensive), I shall not take both of my vicious bloodthirsty Labradors

That's a blessing, it'll lessen the chance of being bitten by the buggers.

(one on the chair at the moment one laying under my feet)

another example of man's dominance over an animal species.


QUOTE]By the way on our shoot there are Dr,s, Binmen, a School Caretaker a plasterer and a police officer stood side by side which of these groups would you say are the "Toffs", all of the landowners [/QUOTE]
(remember when they were called farmers)
appreciate the work that we do to keep the vermin (fox,s) away from their baby lambs and livestock.

I'm sure they do.
Searching for the connection between shooting pheasants and keeping foxes away so might come back on this one.

sanman;4666107]You know I've never really understood this argument from meat eaters. They are OK with animals being bred and killed for meat which usually involves a stressful trip to a slaughter house.

Vegans on the other hand are quite happy at the thought of both practices.
I wonder how much of it is enjoyed because of the social activity and how much because they know it ticks people off coz we all know how childish you are really

Hunt sabs would never hurt any animals. They risk their lives and their liberty to stop bloodsports. I don't see any sympathy out there for my husband who did nothing more than hold a banner at Altcar harecoursing, badly beaten by hunters and hospitalised. And yes it is true, an article appeared in The Star at the time.

everything was going so well magsie and then you mentioned the Star:(

I'm under no illusions that country pursuits are followed ONLY by the landed gentry

So obviously you have only read the choice bits from mine and others posts which clearly state otherwise (unless bin men are usually landed gentry and you have an alternative definition as to what landed gentry constitute).

Not interested in getting into a slanging match with anyone I have my opinion on this and it is, as is often the case, different to others, guess what thats what makes a free country!!!

Oh and Cooljules - I ain't fat (proper curvy not fat!!!), rich or a man - how wrong were you in your massive generalisation!!

Try reading that particular quote again, I've highlighted a key word for you to make it easier.

I apologise for the mis read

Soooo, basically the people who are objecting to the whole thing do so because they think wax jackets are the preserve of friends of the Queen or something?

I despise inverted snobbery - even more than I despise snobbery, as there is less need for it :mad: Either is an expression of insecurity, and what do the working classes have to be insecure about?

At the risk of going blue in the face, hunting may have its bad eggs, as all walks of life do, but a law has been laid down over what can or can't be done with hounds in this day and age, and that enables packs to be exercised within constraints - so I really can't see what the problem is

Those who have chosen to take umbridge with shooting... perhaps it would be more appropriate to be so highly emotive about the cradle to grave treatment of intensively farmed animals... or are the wax jackets in that arena dirty enough to escape criticism here?

I was in two minds about going, but this thread is cementing my feelings on a definate attendance!

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I despise inverted snobbery - even more than I despise snobbery, as there is less need for it :mad: Either is an expression of insecurity, and what do the working classes have to be insecure about?

Have I read this wrong or is it your assumption that all objections come from the 'working class'

Those who have chosen to take umbridge with shooting... perhaps it would be more appropriate to be so highly emotive about the cradle to grave treatment of intensively farmed animals... or are the wax jackets in that arena dirty enough to escape criticism here?

Far from it but as this thread is not concerned with intensive farming best not stray huh!

I was in two minds about going, but this thread is cementing my feelings on a definate attendance!

Yeah like you needed an excuse

Have I read this wrong or is it your assumption that all objections come from the 'working class'


In my experience inverted snobbery is usually the domain of the middleclasses.

Certainly working classes have enjoyed field sports for many years in the shape of ferreting, lamping and coursing.

I suggest you stick to your own planet and leave those of us on this to enjoy our legal pursuits.

In my experience inverted snobbery is usually the domain of the middleclasses.

Certainly working classes have enjoyed field sports for many years in the shape of ferreting, lamping and coursing.

I suggest you stick to your own planet and leave those of us on this to enjoy our legal pursuits.

well said!!!!

I dont understand why people have to jump on someone just because they dont agree with there post! Strix just asked if people were going to an event and we get all this. If its something you dont agree with dont read it!!! Its as simple as that! Everybody has there own opinion and there own mind and dont want somebody elses shoved down there neck!
This seems like a interesting event and so i might pop along and have a look. It seems like a fun day out. Thanks Strix for bringing it to my attention. Not heard of it before.

You're right Strix about the abysmal treatment of our factory farmed animals which is just as emotive to me as bloodsports. Compassion in World Farming, who campaign for a better deal for farm animals and the end to live exports, would I am sure welcome members from the Forum although street campaigning for them is unfortunately not classed as a fun day out. Their website isn't very funny either but informative nonetheless.

In my experience inverted snobbery is usually the domain of the middleclasses.

Certainly working classes have enjoyed field sports for many years in the shape of ferreting, lamping and coursing.

I suggest you stick to your own planet and leave those of us on this to enjoy our legal pursuits.

I don't recall questioning the legality of your chosen passtimes. If you enjoy shooting go right ahead and shoot.

=Lynz&Rox;4676373]I dont understand why people have to jump on someone just because they dont agree with there post! Strix just asked if people were going to an event and we get all this. If its something you dont agree with dont read it!!! Its as simple as that!

It's not so easy to determine agreement or otherwise without reading the post first I think!

Everybody has there own opinion and there own mind and dont want somebody elses shoved down there neck!

So perhaps the forum should simply end as it's unlikely the view of one person will be the view of everyone else. Surely the whole point of the forum is to air views, argue points, disagree.
As far as shoving opinions down necks goes, look around.

This seems like a interesting event and so i might pop along and have a look. It seems like a fun day out. Thanks Strix for bringing it to my attention. Not heard of it before.

Yes thanks, neither had I.

ahhh just found out it clashes with the royal international horse show so me n the nag will be there competing!! hope who eva goes has a fab day out!! :thumbsup:

It's not so easy to determine agreement or otherwise without reading the post first I think!



So perhaps the forum should simply end as it's unlikely the view of one person will be the view of everyone else. Surely the whole point of the forum is to air views, argue points, disagree.
As far as shoving opinions down necks goes, look around.



Yes thanks, neither had I.

Yeah the forum is to air veiws but when someone starts something just asking people if there going to an event why should we have to read all this rubbish?! I was interested because of the title and wanted to know what the event was about not peoples opinions on hunting!!
If thats the case start a thread asking people if they agree or disagree with hunting, country sports etc.

I don't recall questioning the legality of your chosen passtimes. If you enjoy shooting go right ahead and shoot.


As has been stated when someone opens a thread asking if people are going to an event - its not necessary to have all this bile about field sports.

To be fair sanman If someone opened a thread saying does anyone fancy a trip to a puppy farm, or does anyone fancy a trip to a Crufts even. Then some people will disagree and state the reasons why they disagree with it, such threads are normal in pets section.

People are being defensive as they feel passionately about the wrongs of blood sports and rightly so imo. The Gamefair has many things going on but Blood sports will be paramount and you cannot dismiss people who feel strongly about it.

To be fair sanman If someone opened a thread saying does anyone fancy a trip to a puppy farm, or does anyone fancy a trip to a Crufts even. Then some people will disagree and state the reasons why they disagree with it, such threads are normal in pets section.

People are being defensive as they feel passionately about the wrongs of blood sports and rightly so imo. The Gamefair has many things going on but Blood sports will be paramount and you cannot dismiss people who feel strongly about it.

I can object when those views are largely based on ignorance and inverted snobbery. I can also object as happened on this thread when a poster says that someone who was killed by a hunt sab got what he deserved.

But most all I can object when the event in question is a celebration of all different country activities all of which are perfectly legal.

If you don't agree with field sports then that's your your right but don't try to bully us. Take your objections to the house of commons.

I can object when those views are largely based on ignorance and inverted snobbery. I can also object as happened on this thread when a poster says that someone who was killed by a hunt sab got what he deserved.

But most all I can object when the event in question is a celebration of all different country activities all of which are perfectly legal.

If you don't agree with field sports then that's your your right but don't try to bully us. Take your objections to the house of commons.

Here Here I am the person who initially posted about the man murdered, and I forced myself to ignore the response about getting what he deserved. No one deserves to be murdered full stop never mind for the "sake of" their hobby. Ok don't agree but don't come out with such crass insensitivity either. As for everything else you have stated, well said!!!

Oh god Barbies back!

As has been stated when someone opens a thread asking if people are going to an event - its not necessary to have all this bile about field sports.

This is what I was replying to sanman.

Tempers will flare with a thread of this topic and I didn't think Strix was that naive to think there wouldn't be a little bit of a dispute, but there you go.

Violence shouldn't play any part in proceedings, whether that be against human or animal, by participants, or those who are opposed to a particular blood sport. We all know it's happened in the past and that is likely to be contributing to some of the emotions on this thread.

Perhaps some posters could be a little less confrontational? It just looks a tad as if there is some merit in the aggression theories.

Yeah the forum is to air veiws but when someone starts something just asking people if there going to an event why should we have to read all this rubbish?! I was interested because of the title and wanted to know what the event was about not peoples opinions on hunting!!
If thats the case start a thread asking people if they agree or disagree with hunting, country sports etc.

Come on Lynz&Rox, show me a thread that stays on track. The whole reason for posting is to get a reaction especially if the subject matter is as sensitive as this as already said. Whether we like what we hear is immaterial. Any thread involving animals is likely to provoke feelings.

Come on Lynz&Rox, show me a thread that stays on track. The whole reason for posting is to get a reaction especially if the subject matter is as sensitive as this as already said. Whether we like what we hear is immaterial. Any thread involving animals is likely to provoke feelings.I feel I should point out at this juncture that this forum runs according to a few rules - and those include not being abusive to other forumers - even if you disagree with their opinions or views

Squabbling like a washerwoman leaning over her yard wall with a rolling pin isn't becoming to anybody, and is against the rules on this forum

I'm a big fan of healthy debate, and whilst I was disappointed at the level magsie sank to in her first reply, she and I know in reality we sing from the same hymn sheet, and spend a lot of our time making the world a better place for the animals in it

I also believe that it whilst it is very difficult, change is more effectively brought about from those on the inside and with a sympathetic and comprehensive knowledge of the goings on they are tackling - which is why I'm fuming with the RSPCA for pulling out of Crufts as a publicity stunt, rather than taking a sensible and serious stance on publicly helping the KC to accelerate the work they are already doing to iron out some of the problems within specific breeds

Hunting is probably the same. I have read about a huntsman who is campaigning to erradicate ear tattooing in favour of the more modern method of microchipping. Okay, so if you found a stray hound and you're in a location where more than one pack is kennelled, you can't identify which kennels the hound belongs to visually - you'd need to take the hound to a facility with a scanner - but who would be able to read an ear tattoo and know where to take the hound anyway? If the animal rights people were tackling the treatment of hounds instead of leading them into the path of a train (yes, it did happen) maybe they'd be taken more seriously, and find support within the sport itself?

[QUOTE=Strix;4684172]I feel I should point out at this juncture that this forum runs according to a few rules - and those include not being abusive to other forumers - even if you disagree with their opinions or views

I have no wish to upset anyone on this forum and it's likely that a lot of expression is either misread or taken in a way that was not the intention of the person posting. Invariably the written word does not convey the feeling or intonation that spoken words do, as such they often appear antagonistic.
I object to much of what is said and how it is said, and despite the pink image (sanman) I can hold intelligent conversation, self opinionated indulgence I can't abide however and in future; should I have one, I'll ignore them.

I wonder how much of it is enjoyed because of the social activity and how much because they know it ticks people off coz we all know how childish you are really

If you start slinging mud then you expect the same in return. You have brought nothing to this thread, not even reasoned debated for or against field sports. Your posts have largely been petty and sniping.

I have been watching this thread carefully and I have to say that I am rather saddened by the way that it has sunk to personal comments and sniping...by two individuals in particular.
If you want this thread to remain open and can use it as the good debate that it can be then please do so, but the petty arguments end here...or so does this thread.
This is the second and last warning that I am going to make!

I can hold intelligent conversation, self opinionated indulgence I can't abide however and in future; should I have one, I'll ignore them.Now that is exactly what I'm objecting to. There was no need for that comment at all. It does not contribute to the debate, it just antagonises people

It's nice to see there will be some people from SF going though :thumbsup:

[It's nice to see there will be some people from SF going though :thumbsup:[/QUOTE

I think it sounds like a really nice day out and going to see if a few of my friends want to go along. Dont know about dropping my dog Rocky in the creche though. They would probably kick him out after 5 mins for been too crazy!!!!!:hihi:

... Hunting is probably the same. I have read about a huntsman who is campaigning to erradicate ear tattooing in favour of the more modern method of microchipping. Okay, so if you found a stray hound and you're in a location where more than one pack is kennelled, you can't identify which kennels the hound belongs to visually - you'd need to take the hound to a facility with a scanner - but who would be able to read an ear tattoo and know where to take the hound anyway? If the animal rights people were tackling the treatment of hounds instead of leading them into the path of a train (yes, it did happen) maybe they'd be taken more seriously, and find support within the sport itself?Just to back up what I was saying earlier, and probably a HUGE disappointment to some people: a better way of doing things (http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/hunting-campaigns/hunting-events/ex-anti%11hunt-chief-joins-alliance/)

I'm not sure what to make of that report Strix.

Yes, I agree with the concept of trying to make changes from within, but there is something rather uncomfortable with the extreme swing between the two parties.

It's like Arthur Scargill and Margaret Thatcher joining forces. :suspect:

it isn't an extreme swing though is it? not if you're more concerned with achieving something for animal welfare than you are in waving your OWN banner and throwing your own ego about

it isn't an extreme swing though is it?

It's exactly that! Come on, Director of the League Against Cruel Sports and then joining the Countryside Alliance? I am rather concerned that this IS about waving his own banner and being on the winning side! Yes, we all know that the restrictions placed weren't workable and we all also know that the Countryside Alliance has continued, and indeed encouraged it's members, to break the law. I also believe that the current restrictions will be repealed at some point in the future, which sits him in a rather nice position doesn't it?

His interest is in animal welfare - and his best chance of achieving improvements are from the same side of the fence instead of trying to meet those involved head on

Very little is achieved by bullying or war - negotiation and persuasion are a far better way of going about things. This is a bloke who deserves one heck of a lot of respect for having the guts to cross the park

His interest is in animal welfare - and his best chance of achieving improvements are from the same side of the fence instead of trying to meet those involved head on

Very little is achieved by bullying or war - negotiation and persuasion are a far better way of going about things. This is a bloke who deserves one heck of a lot of respect for having the guts to cross the park

In the same way that politicians have the best interests of the country at heart? None of those could be accused of feathering their own nests could they?

You have far more faith in human nature than I expected Strix.

No fishpole, I have an interest in animal welfare that goes beyond politics, and am prepared to listen - which in turn has resulted in me being heard

meeting ANYTHING head on is usually the best way to wind up with no ground given

Now was this bloke booted out for his politics or did he change sides of his own volition?

Is the current grousing in the animal rights camp more to do with 'principles' being more important than animal welfare?

See? My cynicism is intact :D ;)