well i just thought id have a rant as 2 hours later i am stil fuming, as some old man has just kicked my doggy in the head.
just took my girls out or a walk and we went past an old fella with a chiauaua or how eva u spell it lol, and his dog was fine and so was mien my 2 was playing togetha as soon as the dog owner noticed we where there he picked the little thing up and then it started being nasty and aggresive, he then put the dog down and his dog bit mine so mine went for it back(i dont blame her)he then said mine was viscious.
his dog also bit my lab but she dident bit back she actualy gets scared, but the dog he kicked is my staffy cros,and he said its a staffy so its viscious which i can assure you she is not anyway, so i got my dog back and walked off mine palyign again with a ball, his dog still going for mine, my dog then let her ball behind so i told her to get it, then his dog attacked mine again he then went and kicked my dog in the head and he went flying on the floor, now what gets me is his dog was fine untill he picked it up, then he had cheek to say mine was viscious for sticking up for itself as far as i am aware its his what was viscious.
no matter how small a viscious dog should have a muzzle on, i said a few carefuly chosen words and walked , even i dont hit my dogs so nobody else has the right, but i could understanbd it if mine actrualy did anything wrong:rant:

not a very good situation, but if all the dogs had been put on leads as soon as it looked as though there was a problem, it wouldn`t have happened.

Hiya saz hun omg that man sounds like a right idiot (i would like to say more but its a family forum lol) he had no right to do that to a dog, its not the dogs fault, like you say your dogs was playing, those blumming chiannia (whatever they are called lol) should be kept as a bloody celebs dog not a normal pet lol they look scary to me what is with them lol (no offence to anyone who likes them) but I suppose what i am saying is that man was complety in the wrong to hit your dog like that. Not all staffys are viscious it depends how you bring them up.

yup exacley thats my point we was walking away and his lil thing got off the lead and chased mine so obviously mine fought back as u wud if somebody hit u or kicked u ect

Were all these dogs on leads, or running loose?

yeah you would you would not just stand there you would defend your honour hope they are ok now x

mine was loose but playing with there ball if you know what i mean, not bothering his woofer, which as far as im concerned there is no reason for mine not to play if there nowhere near him, but his dog was dragging him about and then got of this realy flimsey lead what looked like a shoes lace and it attacked mine, and then of course mine attacked back and i culdent get for or a few mins, but as soon as i did she was on lead again but he still dident put his on lead just picked it up and it was trying to jump out of his arms,crazy crazy crazy doggy

as far as i am aware isent it law to have a viscious dog on a lead with a muzzle:confused:

I'm sorry to hear that your dogs were attacked by this other bloke's dog, but if they'd all been on leads then perhaps none of it would have happened.

mine was loose but playing with there ball if you know what i mean, not bothering his woofer, which as far as im concerned there is no reason for mine not to play if there nowhere near him, but his dog was dragging him about and then got of this realy flimsey lead what looked like a shoes lace and it attacked mine, and then of course mine attacked back and i culdent get for or a few mins, but as soon as i did she was on lead again but he still dident put his on lead just picked it up and it was trying to jump out of his arms,crazy crazy crazy doggy

How can a chihuahua drag a grown man about?
I personally think the guy was out of order kicking your dog, and to assume that all staffies are bad. But if ALL the dogs had been put on a lead then it wouldn`t have happened.

like i say mine wasent near him they know they where there but didnt bother them

as far as i am aware isent it law to have a viscious dog on a lead with a muzzle:confused:

It's a chihuahua, it's not vicious it's typically maladjusted for a toy dog. Picking the daft things up makes them worse.

It's a chihuahua, it's not vicious it's typically maladjusted for a toy dog. Picking the daft things up makes them worse.

cheers 4 that i had no idea how to spell it lol, and i totaly agree to say his dog was fine until he picked it up aswell

It was only 2 days ago that you had to rehome a dog as a matter of urgency owing to your current dog attacking it. Are you sure this incident went off as you think it did?

can we have less slagging off of chihuahuas please!!! if someone told be 3months ago i would own one i would av laughed but i rescued a puppy n he is amazing!! what they lack in size they make up in personality!!

sorry to hear about ur dog chuck, im not sticking up for the bloke or anyway condoning his behaviour or his dogs but my little en loves big dogs as i have a lab but when hes playing with them he jumps at there faces to reach them then sticks his tongue in there faces!!! :loopy: if this bloke had a bit more understanding n not treating a chihuahua as handbag then it might be better with other dogs and ur dog might not have had to suffer this!! :)

It's a chihuahua, it's not vicious it's typically maladjusted for a toy dog. Picking the daft things up makes them worse.

Any dog that goes for another dog or person falls under the DDA and could end up being destroyed (I have been involved in that happening a couple of years ago when I witnessed, seemingly unprovoked, a Chinese Crested attack another dog (that was on its lead), in one case causing very serious injuries. The owner of the CC did not do anything and the other dog's owner was so distraught (in the worst attack I witnessed) that they could not get the CC off their dog - so I did, then I held onto it and made the owner come and retrieve it (he did not want to come anywhere near as "its a nasty little @@@@!" and it may have bitten him) - whilst owner was meandering his way over I rang the Police. They came out very quickly (first time for everything I suppose), got statements from all concerned and the upshot was that the dog was eventually destroyed. What really got me was the owner would not accept responsibility. Have also been in a similar situation with folk threatening my dogs, I have always had the last word (am quite a stubborn chick) and once ended up pushing someone down a hill (I did not mean her to slip and fall and roll down a hill but she whacked one of mine, that was on a lead at the time and I took exception).

If a dog bites another for whatever reason it does have, at least viscious tendencies and yes, I agree idiot man made it worse by picking it up. I would love a Chihuaua but have yet to find one whos breeding I find acceptable and who seemingly turns out well adjusted little dogs, not those with god complexes.

can we have less slagging off of chihuahuas please!!! if someone told be 3months ago i would own one i would av laughed but i rescued a puppy n he is amazing!! what they lack in size they make up in personality!!

sorry to hear about ur dog chuck, im not sticking up for the bloke or anyway condoning his behaviour or his dogs but my little en loves big dogs as i have a lab but when hes playing with them he jumps at there faces to reach them then sticks his tongue in there faces!!! :loopy: if this bloke had a bit more understanding n not treating a chihuahua as handbag then it might be better with other dogs and ur dog might not have had to suffer this!! :)

One of my brother's exes had a couple of chihuahas - he was scared witless of them! He reckoned that's why he never won an argument with her - she could have set the dogs on him.

Unfortunately, quite a few owners of small dogs assume that, because they are so small, they can't be classed as vicious or nasty and that the fault has to lie with the "big dog" that retaliates when attacked by a little scrap of fur and teeth. They stand there witlessly saying, "He's friendly, he only wants to play", while I'm trying to drag my dog (on lead) away from them because they're obviously upsetting him. :loopy:

One of my brother's exes had a couple of chihuahas - he was scared witless of them! He reckoned that's why he never won an argument with her - she could have set the dogs on him.

Unfortunately, quite a few owners of small dogs assume that, because they are so small, they can't be classed as vicious or nasty and that the fault has to lie with the "big dog" that retaliates when attacked by a little scrap of fur and teeth. They stand there witlessly saying, "He's friendly, he only wants to play", while I'm trying to drag my dog (on lead) away from them because they're obviously upsetting him. :loopy:

im not a "small dog" person really always had bigger dogs as i like a dog to be a dog if u know what i mean!! hehe and i think the problem is people get these tiny dogs and wrap them in cotton wool and dont let them mix with other dogs, my chi is 5months now and i take him to the stables and he plays with the other girls dogs and im making sure i treat him like a dog and so far so good!! the only problem ive had is i live with my parents and my mum is a nightmare with him she puts his dish on sofa if he doesnt eat straight away n picks him up and hand feeds him ....NO!!!!!
i used to be a veterinary nurse and i had more trouble with small breed dogs than large breeds, so i certainly dont agree that small dogs cant be classed nasty or aggressive :)

People are always saying their Staffs are harmless. I beg to differ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/4550500/Baby-mauled-to-death-in-dog-attack-is-named.html).

It was only 2 days ago that you had to rehome a dog as a matter of urgency owing to your current dog attacking it. Are you sure this incident went off as you think it did?

i dident rehome it as it wasent my dog and yes my dog was attacking it, it was a crazy cray stafy whop bounding all over place even my baby was shaking and cryiong and plus that was in my dogs own home so dont even go there:loopy:

can we have less slagging off of chihuahuas please!!! if someone told be 3months ago i would own one i would av laughed but i rescued a puppy n he is amazing!! what they lack in size they make up in personality!!

sorry to hear about ur dog chuck, im not sticking up for the bloke or anyway condoning his behaviour or his dogs but my little en loves big dogs as i have a lab but when hes playing with them he jumps at there faces to reach them then sticks his tongue in there faces!!! :loopy: if this bloke had a bit more understanding n not treating a chihuahua as handbag then it might be better with other dogs and ur dog might not have had to suffer this!! :)

re ere thats my point, finaly somebody with a small dog but who has sense cheers hun

People are always saying their Staffs are harmless. I beg to differ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/4550500/Baby-mauled-to-death-in-dog-attack-is-named.html).

why is my dog not harmless becouse a baby got mauled?i have a baby mine hasent been mauled?so becouse that staffy attacked it its my dogs fault?u cant judge every staffy or staffy cross for dog attacks, notice how nobody judges lil dogs who attack all bleding time becouse they treated as babys,nooooooooooooooo just the mean tough looking ones, yea i admit they can look tough and rotties can look very intimiadating but just becouse they look a certain way dosent mean they are crazy woman:loopy:

Here Here Saz I agree. My doggy is a staffy puppy and she gets giddy at times but she would never harm a baby. So how can you judge all staffys just because 1 staffy did something that was wrong? Staffys only behave how the owner lets them behave so instead of blaming the poor innocent dog blame the not so innocent owners.

People are always saying their Staffs are harmless. I beg to differ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/4550500/Baby-mauled-to-death-in-dog-attack-is-named.html).

Thats a bit daft in`t it?
You can`t tar all staffies with the same brush just because of this incident.
I know plenty of staffies that are absolutely soft as a brush.

I dont suppose the owner of the staffie that killed the baby thought for one moment that the dog would harm the baby ,or she wouldnt have had them in the same room.
She learnt her lesson too late,and it wont be the last time it will happen either i hate to say.

I dont suppose the owner of the staffie that killed the baby thought for one moment that the dog would harm the baby ,or she wouldnt have had them in the same room.
She learnt her lesson too late,and it wont be the last time it will happen either i hate to say.

from wat i can make out the baby was in another room from the grandmother asleep in basket, i this is the case y was the dogs allowed there unsupervised, my baby crawls now and crawls on the dogs and they beg for his food and take it gently wen he gives it them ,but no way on earth would i leave them alone and wen the baby crawls up to the dogs i move him

Exactly babies dont know not to be rough with animals so you need to keep them sepearate from each other. As soon as Ruby is able to crawl I will make sure she cannot get to the dog in any way as I know she will probably try and pull the dogs tail or something as thats what babies do. They do not know any better.

from wat i can make out the baby was in another room from the grandmother asleep in basket, i this is the case y was the dogs allowed there unsupervised, my baby crawls now and crawls on the dogs and they beg for his food and take it gently wen he gives it them ,but no way on earth would i leave them alone and wen the baby crawls up to the dogs i move him

I am sorry but there is no way on earth i would let a baby of mine crawl on any dog with food around .that is just looking for trouble it is playing rushion roulette with your babys life.
i just hope your child does not end up as another statistic.

maybe this is where people should learn to read, my baby dosent crawl on them with food around, my babys give them his food when he dosent want it, generaly when hes playing he crawls up to them and the dogy licks him, my dogs are very well socialised and never have hurt my baby and never will, like i say i would never leave them alone, and if you are a good owner you will know how to read a dog and if anything out of ordinary happens or dogs behaves in a certain way, you remove the baby and the dog straight away its about being responsible, sdo no mine wont be a statistic :loopy:

I'm sure saz will know how to look after her own child she is not stupid so maybe stop questioning her parenting skills and learn to read what she wrote before you put a reply back.

Can we stop staffy bashing please! Don't forget there was a JRT involved too. Are they all devil dogs?

The artical says that the cause of death is not known and a post mortem is being done. The dogs have been destroyed without proof!
The neighbour that got there first and rounded the dogs up said there was no blood on the terrier and couldn't tell on the staff. Is that proof?

For all we know the grandmother lost it and did it. If she did are all grandmothers going to do this? :loopy:

I can read perfectly,your posts are hard to read.
I am sorry but you are burying your head in the sand .no one can be 100% sure about any dog,and it would be too late to remove the baby if the dog had hold of its thoat.

like i say so far i have been responsible and carry on doing so, should i get rid of my dogs just becouse i have had a baby?thats what many people do, even i dont go near my dogs when feeding they should be left in peace, but in play mine play with the baby and shower him in kisses, if i didnt let them together thats when problems arise dogs become jelous ect and when not had enough attention or socialisation is when problems arise this is what the thread was originaly about so how about keep ya nose out of my thred and dont even say i am a bad mum or owner ever again becouse i am not, you might not have said it directly but it shounded liek you was to me

like i say so far i have been responsible and carry on doing so, should i get rid of my dogs just becouse i have had a baby?thats what many people do, even i dont go near my dogs when feeding they should be left in peace, but in play mine play with the baby and shower him in kisses, if i didnt let them together thats when problems arise dogs become jelous ect and when not had enough attention or socialisation is when problems arise this is what the thread was originaly about so how about keep ya nose out of my thred and dont even say i am a bad mum or owner ever again becouse i am not, you might not have said it directly but it shounded liek you was to me

Where have a said you are a bad mum or owner i have not.
I have every right to join in this thread and voice my opinion wether you like it or not.
My daughter was bitten badly on the arms when she was three years old by a lab cross,it picked her up and shook her like a rag doll, it bit right through to the bone, she did nothing to provoke it just walked past holding my hand
this dog gave us no warning at all and she still has the scars.

I can read perfectly,your posts are hard to read.
I am sorry but you are burying your head in the sand .no one can be 100% sure about any dog,and it would be too late to remove the baby if the dog had hold of its thoat. My bold

Exactly - any dog, not just Staffies, or Rotties, or any other of the so-called savage dogs.

I'm sure I read somewhere that more people are bitten by labradors than any other breed - but they're not classed as "evil" so they seldom hit the headlines.

Anybody stupid enough to leave a baby or young child with any breed of dog unsupervised is an idiot and much more to blame than the dogs.

Yet they keep on doing it - why? Don't they read newspapers/watch the news? It's a pity they don't prosecute them for child neglect - never mind they're going to have to live with the death on their conscience all their lives, it's the poor bloody child that's suffered and died.

Where have a said you are a bad mum or owner i have not.
I have every right to join in this thread and voice my opinion wether you like it or not.
My daughter was bitten badly on the arms when she was three years old by a lab cross,it picked her up and shook her like a rag doll, it bit right through to the bone, she did nothing to provoke it just walked past holding my hand
this dog gave us no warning at all and she still has the scars.

i feel for u i realy do but u cant give me a hard time just becouse this happen to ur daughter, it was not my dog what did it, like i said i am responsible my baby goes nowhere near there food and they play together supervised so why all the sarcy comments if you havent got anything nice to say then please dont say anything, besides this thread isent even about my baby and my dogs so nobody can comment and that

My bold

Exactly - any dog, not just Staffies, or Rotties, or any other of the so-called savage dogs.

I'm sure I read somewhere that more people are bitten by labradors than any other breed - but they're not classed as "evil" so they seldom hit the headlines.

Anybody stupid enough to leave a baby or young child with any breed of dog unsupervised is an idiot and much more to blame than the dogs.

Yet they keep on doing it - why? Don't they read newspapers/watch the news? It's a pity they don't prosecute them for child neglect - never mind they're going to have to live with the death on their conscience all their lives, it's the poor bloody child that's suffered and died.

i totaly agree with you and you cant blame a dog when a baby is ragging them about which is why you can not leave them alone, but im getting the feeling that im being classed as bad and irresponsible, like i leave them alone and i dont i would never do that:thumbsup:

i feel for u i realy do but u cant give me a hard time just becouse this happen to ur daughter, it was not my dog what did it, like i said i am responsible my baby goes nowhere near there food and they play together supervised so why all the sarcy comments if you havent got anything nice to say then please dont say anything, besides this thread isent even about my baby and my dogs so nobody can comment and that

They play together supervised,right imagine you are supervising your dog and baby playing together,suddenly the baby does something to upset the dog and before you can remove the baby the dog takes him by the throat.
Do you really think it will be as simple as saying drop him you bad dog and he will do it.
You would not be able to turn back the clock ,could you forgive yourself i know i couldnt.
Why take the risk in the first place.
Oh and have nothing against dogs i have one myself.

I totally agree dogs can be unpredictable around young children especially when food is involved, things can happen so fast with deadly results as we have all seen in the news recently.

They play together supervised,right imagine you are supervising your dog and baby playing together,suddenly the baby does something to upset the dog and before you can remove the baby the dog takes him by the throat.
Do you really think it will be as simple as saying drop him you bad dog and he will do it.
You would not be able to turn back the clock ,could you forgive yourself i know i couldnt.
Why take the risk in the first place.
Oh and have nothing against dogs i have one myself.

Most owners can read their dog's body language enough to realise when it's getting upset or fed up. And very few dogs attack totally out of the blue - even if the child does something to hurt them.

You really can't judge all dogs' behaviour by the behaviour of just one. Far more children are hurt crossing the road than are hurt by dogs - you wouldn't suggest that children should therefore never cross the road because of the risk involved, would you?

They play together supervised,right imagine you are supervising your dog and baby playing together,suddenly the baby does something to upset the dog and before you can remove the baby the dog takes him by the throat.
Do you really think it will be as simple as saying drop him you bad dog and he will do it.
You would not be able to turn back the clock ,could you forgive yourself i know i couldnt.
Why take the risk in the first place.
Oh and have nothing against dogs i have one myself.

ok i understand what ur saying , so what do u suggest, keep the baby and dogs seperate for the next 10years lock the dogs away never to go near kids?im having a hard time understanding, if i shouldent let them together i shud lock them away which would then cause problems and is cruel

Most owners can read their dog's body language enough to realise when it's getting upset or fed up. And very few dogs attack totally out of the blue - even if the child does something to hurt them.

You really can't judge all dogs' behaviour by the behaviour of just one. Far more children are hurt crossing the road than are hurt by dogs - you wouldn't suggest that children should therefore never cross the road because of the risk involved, would you?

No i see what you are saying and some things are out of our hands,i can only say i would not be happy with my baby playing with a dog supervised or not.
If other people want to take that chance it is up to them but i would never do it.

ok i understand what ur saying , so what do u suggest, keep the baby and dogs seperate for the next 10years lock the dogs away never to go near kids?im having a hard time understanding, if i shouldent let them together i shud lock them away which would then cause problems and is cruel

No of course not but you said you let your baby crawl over your dog i would not feel cumfortable with this myself but you may feel differant if you are happy to risk it do it.

re ere thats my point, finaly somebody with a small dog but who has sense cheers hun

hehehe cheers love x :thumbsup:

can i just also add my opinion through my own experiences, i used to work as a veterinary nurse and during my 4 years in practice 95% of staffies i met just licked me to death, very very rare i came across an aggressive one (not saying there arnt any before some1 jumps on my case) also my fav breed are rotties so i always made a beline to fuss them when they came in and again all but one were super friendly, the one been a guard dog!!
any dog has the potential to be aggressive no matter what shape, size, breed, age temprement etc

but getting back on track i hope u n ur girls r ok mummysaz!!! :thumbsup:

No of course not but you said you let your baby crawl over your dog i would not feel cumfortable with this myself but you may feel differant if you are happy to risk it do it.

crawls to the dog pats the dog talks to the dog naughty baby passing toys to dog which i cant tell dog of for chewing as baby gave them to her ect laughs at dog gives dog hs food ect:thumbsup:

Not being funny like(HAHA I hate that saying) but whats this got to do with the original post about the chihuahua?

crawls to the dog pats the dog talks to the dog naughty baby passing toys to dog which i cant tell dog of for chewing as baby gave them to her ect laughs at dog gives dog hs food ect:thumbsup:

Sounds like an adorable baby.....good luck.

Most owners can read their dog's body language enough to realise when it's getting upset or fed up. And very few dogs attack totally out of the blue - even if the child does something to hurt them.

You really can't judge all dogs' behaviour by the behaviour of just one. Far more children are hurt crossing the road than are hurt by dogs - you wouldn't suggest that children should therefore never cross the road because of the risk involved, would you?

well said Dozy . but i thought this thread was about mummysazz`s dog being kicked by a old bloke .i personally think he should be reported to the rspca, my belief is that all dogs should be on leads in public places but if your dog is trained to recall & there is no one else around then a little off lead to burn off energy should be allowed , it is usually irrisponsable owners that cause the problems not the dogs. As for staffies i have transported 100`s from pounds to rescues & have never been threatned by 1, in the right hands staffs are fantastic dogs

You have to use common sense where dogs and tots are concerned.

You can't be "blase" about not supervising a child when there's dogs around, but equally, you can't be paranoid.

A well socialised and well trained dog, combined with a child that knows how to act appropriately around dogs is the ideal.

Obviously, this 14 week old baby would not have been taught. Maybe the baby was being given a lot of attention, and the dogs felt left out and jealous, It could have been that the baby was making "strange noises" or "strange movements" which triggered the terriers' hunting instincts? Had the dogs been "wound up" into a high pitch state of excitement, again triggering this abnormal behaviour? No-one knows the circumstances behind this attack.

I was bitten badly, twice as a child, the first time, aged four, by our family Labrador, the second time when I was ten. I was attacked by an uncontrolled JRT X Corgi which was notorious on our street for being vicious and never being under control.

I'm not afraid of dogs, but I am cautious if I approach a dog I don't know, and display appropriate, non-threatening behaviour whilst greeting the dog.

PS, I Love staffies and EBT's too, having had three over the years.

can i just add that mummysaz21 adopted the dog through me and i know that she is not aggressive towards children & other dogs as a rule so i suspect the op dog had initiated the confrontation & it still doesnt justify kicking a dog but its a sure way to get bitten

Not sure I really want to get involved in what has become a rather heated thread, but I'd like to add one point.
There are undoubtedly bad dogs, and some breeds are particularly susceptible to being so, but the bigger problem is bad owners. Mistreatment and teaching aggressive behaviour is the cause of a heck of a lot of the problems we see and one of the reasons why staffies get a bad rep. Not all staffies are evil, and not all staffy owners are bad people, but unfortunately there are more young scrotes with their vicious staffies out there than there are people with labradors or just about any other breed. It strikes me that having a 'hard' looking staffy or pitbull is de rigeur at the moment, unfortunately.

. Not all staffies are evil, and not all staffy owners are bad people, but unfortunately there are more young scrotes with their vicious staffies out there than there are people with labradors or just about any other breed. It strikes me that having a 'hard' looking staffy or pitbull is de rigeur at the moment, unfortunately.


It is sad but very true. People do not come up to me and my dog because he wears a muzzle (due to dog aggro) and automatically think the worst of us as people. Once we get talking to people they admit that they had a few jokes with their mates about us :(

I hope we make some point that dogs with muzzles are not always bad with people but have them on as the owners are taking responsibility. I have to admit I dread meeting other bull breeds or small terrier types as the majority I have met have not been great if they are off lead when my dog is kicking off on lead and muzzled, but at least he can't do any damage to them and as a dog owner that is my responsibility.

I have kicked a dog off mine, something I was not proud of but when he is on lead, muzzled and a dog is attached to his backside I felt I had no choice.

ok i understand what ur saying , so what do u suggest, keep the baby and dogs seperate for the next 10years lock the dogs away never to go near kids?im having a hard time understanding, if i shouldent let them together i shud lock them away which would then cause problems and is cruel

I guess it depends on your priorities. If you accept that there is a risk from letting your baby play with your dog, then you have to decide whether you value your baby or your dog more.

The chances are; your dog will never hurt your child. But all those other people whose dogs did hurt their children or their grandchildren or someone elses children, or whoever, will have been faced with the same decision at some point and may now be regretting their choice.

It is sad but very true. People do not come up to me and my dog because he wears a muzzle (due to dog aggro) and automatically think the worst of us as people. Once we get talking to people they admit that they had a few jokes with their mates about us :(

I hope we make some point that dogs with muzzles are not always bad with people but have them on as the owners are taking responsibility. I have to admit I dread meeting other bull breeds or small terrier types as the majority I have met have not been great if they are off lead when my dog is kicking off on lead and muzzled, but at least he can't do any damage to them and as a dog owner that is my responsibility.

I have kicked a dog off mine, something I was not proud of but when he is on lead, muzzled and a dog is attached to his backside I felt I had no choice.

and u was queit right to hun, my point is mine wasent attacking his dog until it attacked mine she fought back, he should have muzzled it

I guess it depends on your priorities. If you accept that there is a risk from letting your baby play with your dog, then you have to decide whether you value your baby or your dog more.

The chances are; your dog will never hurt your child. But all those other people whose dogs did hurt their children or their grandchildren or someone elses children, or whoever, will have been faced with the same decision at some point and may now be regretting their choice.

im already accepting the chance theres a risk becouse i would never leave them together unattended, people are making out i am thick and dont have a clue wat im doing but im not i know a lot about dog behaviour and warnings ect, im not naieve enough to think she couldent hurt him, but at same time i would never seperate them becouse this only causes problems :thumbsup:

I think that this thread needs to gain a little perspective, it is a very large leap from a dog defending itself against another dog, to it being a dangerous dog that cannot be trusted around the OP's baby, come on now!

As someone pointed out (and most agreed with) no animal can be 100% safe with a child, the OP knows this too and I am sure that she makes sure that nothing bad can happen.

The recent story of the baby being killed by the dogs is shocking, but many many babies are brought up with dogs, and my own included, my babies were never so much as looked at funny by my dog...never mind growled at.

I actually think that this over protective society is losing many wonderful experiences for our children by being afraid to bring them up with animals, all it takes is vigillance and an ounce of common sense.

thank you moonbird

and everybody can i just say please stop mentioning my baby he has nothing to do wqith this thread or any other baby the thread is about dogs, now if you want to give your opinion on the dogs and the situation then i would like you to do so , so please go back to the origional thread or i will want it closed, my dog is not viscious there is no question so please stop hinting she is as far as i am concerned if she was dangerous she would be in my house simple as so please go back to subjectx:thumbsup:x

People are always saying their Staffs are harmless. I beg to differ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/4550500/Baby-mauled-to-death-in-dog-attack-is-named.html).

A jack russel helped... are all JRTs aggressive too then?!

A dog's a dog - it's an animal for heaven's sake. Anyone stupid enough to leave a baby with dogs unsupervised is asking for trouble no matter how much you love and trust your dogs.

Really makes me angry when dogs get a bad name because people are irresponsible.

Back to the original subject - IF the situation unfolded as it did (although as someone else pointed out, you have commented on your dog 'savaging' a stray you took in) then I see no reason why mummysaz's dogs should have been on the lead.

I would be very miffed if my dogs were behaving well off the lead away from other dogs when another dog came running up and attacked them, they retaliated and I was told mine should've been on leads! Especially as one of mine is far more likely to retaliate on the lead than off!

Chihuahuas when brought up right, can be lovely dogs, just as JRTs, staffies and rottweilers can and in exactly the same way, a labrador brought up the wrong way can be nasty, just as a bichon frise or golden retriever can...
So let's have less breed prejudice can we?!

I guess it depends on your priorities. If you accept that there is a risk from letting your baby play with your dog, then you have to decide whether you value your baby or your dog more.

The chances are; your dog will never hurt your child. But all those other people whose dogs did hurt their children or their grandchildren or someone elses children, or whoever, will have been faced with the same decision at some point and may now be regretting their choice.

Yeah and most were unsupervised... imo there's nothing wrong with supervised interaction between children and dogs.

Children and dogs make great playmates but at the end of the day, dogs are animals and are not 100% predictable.

A jack russel helped... are all JRTs aggressive too then?!

A dog's a dog - it's an animal for heaven's sake. Anyone stupid enough to leave a baby with dogs unsupervised is asking for trouble no matter how much you love and trust your dogs.

Really makes me angry when dogs get a bad name because people are irresponsible.

Back to the original subject - IF the situation unfolded as it did (although as someone else pointed out, you have commented on your dog 'savaging' a stray you took in) then I see no reason why mummysaz's dogs should have been on the lead.

I would be very miffed if my dogs were behaving well off the lead away from other dogs when another dog came running up and attacked them, they retaliated and I was told mine should've been on leads! Especially as one of mine is far more likely to retaliate on the lead than off!

Chihuahuas when brought up right, can be lovely dogs, just as JRTs, staffies and rottweilers can and in exactly the same way, a labrador brought up the wrong way can be nasty, just as a bichon frise or golden retriever can...
So let's have less breed prejudice can we?!

Agreed, Lotti, ALL dogs can be lovely when brought up properly, and when properly controlled, and socialised correctly.

A jack russel helped... are all JRTs aggressive too then?!

A dog's a dog - it's an animal for heaven's sake. Anyone stupid enough to leave a baby with dogs unsupervised is asking for trouble no matter how much you love and trust your dogs.

Really makes me angry when dogs get a bad name because people are irresponsible.

Back to the original subject - IF the situation unfolded as it did (although as someone else pointed out, you have commented on your dog 'savaging' a stray you took in) then I see no reason why mummysaz's dogs should have been on the lead.

I would be very miffed if my dogs were behaving well off the lead away from other dogs when another dog came running up and attacked them, they retaliated and I was told mine should've been on leads! Especially as one of mine is far more likely to retaliate on the lead than off!

Chihuahuas when brought up right, can be lovely dogs, just as JRTs, staffies and rottweilers can and in exactly the same way, a labrador brought up the wrong way can be nasty, just as a bichon frise or golden retriever can...
So let's have less breed prejudice can we?!


hi thanks for your comment, and the stray dog think was a totaly different situation as i have commented previously, that stray was soooooo wacky litraly jumping off the walls even my baby was scared, plus he was in my dogs house actualy inside and she is protective of the house, as she should be, i dont think she would ever accept another dog in the house, i will admit that, but outside is a different story she just loves to play

How can a chihuahua drag a grown man about?
I personally think the guy was out of order kicking your dog, and to assume that all staffies are bad. But if ALL the dogs had been put on a lead then it wouldn`t have happened.

Believe it or not... I've seen a chihuahua drag it's grown female owner about on the lead...

hi thanks for your comment, and the stray dog think was a totaly different situation as i have commented previously, that stray was soooooo wacky litraly jumping off the walls even my baby was scared, plus he was in my dogs house actualy inside and she is protective of the house, as she should be, i dont think she would ever accept another dog in the house, i will admit that, but outside is a different story she just loves to play

I understand that... I have one the same :) It was just that I was trying to be fair and look from all sides :)

I can't see how you were in the wrong at all, if your dogs were under control away from the chi, why should you have had them on their leads? If the chi came upto your dogs, a lead wouldn't make a difference as to whether or not yours retaliated.

AND if your dog was truly nasty and wanted to hurt the chi, it could easily have killed it. It obviously only wanted to put distance between the pair of them.

Believe it or not... I've seen a chihuahua drag it's grown female owner about on the lead...

that wasnt me hehehe:hihi::hihi:

I understand that... I have one the same :) It was just that I was trying to be fair and look from all sides :)

I can't see how you were in the wrong at all, if your dogs were under control away from the chi, why should you have had them on their leads? If the chi came upto your dogs, a lead wouldn't make a difference as to whether or not yours retaliated.

AND if your dog was truly nasty and wanted to hurt the chi, it could easily have killed it. It obviously only wanted to put distance between the pair of them.

if mine was in the wrong i would have put my hands up to that at the end of the day its nothing to be ashamed of ect, as i rescued her on crimbo eve from the pound or rather pets @home did and i fostered her from him and decided to adopt her, so any problems would be from the past the only prob she does have is stealing food of side lol,and lead pulling as you know but as far as that shes a good little girl who just needs direction and to feel secure

that wasnt me hehehe:hihi::hihi:

bet it was and lottie had a rite giggle lol:hihi:

that wasnt me hehehe:hihi::hihi:

LOL I have to say it's something very surreal to see!

bet it was and lottie had a rite giggle lol:hihi:

lol it will prob be me in a couple of months when weather picks up and i walk him properly.... i can see it now left hand big yellow lab pullin one way, right hand 5inch tall chi pulling the other!! oh i cant wait what fun..... honest :hihi::hihi:

LOL I have to say it's something very surreal to see!

lol i know this man was same, afta he kicked my dog i was so close to hitting him but the fact he was an old man stopped me of course im not callous, but when he kicked my dog he was actualy stood in snow so he went flying on his backside lol so i got my revenge:hihi:

LOL I have to say it's something very surreal to see!

hehe i just cant picture it, as much as i try! i just laugh when i think about it hehe :hihi:

Any dog that goes for another dog or person falls under the DDA and could end up being destroyed (I have been involved in that happening a couple of years ago when I witnessed, seemingly unprovoked, a Chinese Crested attack another dog (that was on its lead), in one case causing very serious injuries. The owner of the CC did not do anything and the other dog's owner was so distraught (in the worst attack I witnessed) that they could not get the CC off their dog - so I did, then I held onto it and made the owner come and retrieve it (he did not want to come anywhere near as "its a nasty little @@@@!" and it may have bitten him) - whilst owner was meandering his way over I rang the Police. They came out very quickly (first time for everything I suppose), got statements from all concerned and the upshot was that the dog was eventually destroyed. What really got me was the owner would not accept responsibility. Have also been in a similar situation with folk threatening my dogs, I have always had the last word (am quite a stubborn chick) and once ended up pushing someone down a hill (I did not mean her to slip and fall and roll down a hill but she whacked one of mine, that was on a lead at the time and I took exception).

If a dog bites another for whatever reason it does have, at least viscious tendencies and yes, I agree idiot man made it worse by picking it up. I would love a Chihuaua but have yet to find one whos breeding I find acceptable and who seemingly turns out well adjusted little dogs, not those with god complexes.

Interesting to hear that a dog so far from the normal media hype can be associated with dangerous. I agree with your post. The Dangerous Dogs Act was indeed brought in to deal with such problems and I meant no offence to the breed or the people who own them, my comments were I suppose in direct conflict with the OP's outburst.

Believe it or not... I've seen a chihuahua drag it's grown female owner about on the lead...

Invariably because they let them.