One of Britain's largest fast food chains has signed up to the City Council's Graffiti Charter to support the campaign to improve the environment for local residents and visitors.

McDonald's is the first fast food outlet to join the major public and private organisations across the city to sign the Graffiti Charter, which also includes major city centre retailers, banks, universities and utility companies.

Narinder Singh, Director of Corporate Affairs at McDonald's commented: "We are pleased to support the Council in this initiative. It is important for us to keep our restaurants clean and free of graffiti for our customers and play our part in improving the environment for everyone."

Welcoming McDonalds' support for the campaign, Councillor Harry Harpham the Council's Cabinet member for Streetscene added: "It is important to work with the fast food businesses to tackle the environmental issues in the city. They are a significant addition to the list of key businesses to support this initiative and it reflects the importance that so many organisations place on tackling this blight on the landscape and the individuals who cause it."

Think they'll be funding some money into cleaning the streets?
Since a lot of stuff thrown on the floor seems to be empty fast food boxes.

That would be a good start!

Is it just me or is this "no news"?

Signing a "charter" doesn't mean a great deal to me and the release doesn't go in to any detail about how this charter or addition of McDonald's signature will actually stop/clean-up graffiti. Is it sounds like a nice bit of PR but nothing more.

I wish the council would stop fishing for PR and actually start taking action. We don't need charters - we need better lighting, policing, clean-ups etc. :mad:

Anything that goes towards cleaning up the environment can only be a good thing. The following is from the Council's web site:

The signatories to the charter document have agreed to abide by the Terms of the Sheffield Graffiti Charter, which are:

To do all that is reasonably possible to keep their respective properties, in the City of Sheffield, free from graffiti to improve the appearance of the Street Scene, for the benefit of the people of Sheffield and help South Yorkshire Police bring prosecutions against the culprits.

What more can be said?

A few actual details would be nice! Saying they are going to do whatever is "reasonably possible" is a typically noncommittal statement. Let's have some simple facts rather than PR-speak.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Geoff
Is it just me or is this "no news"?



I know this is nothing to do with the Mcdonalds or the Council
But your quote of no news made me think of it.

I have read a couple of articles in The Star recently and I could have sworn we discussed them on here days before. I think we have a few journo's lurking.

Example
We discussed a topic called Posh Nosh - generally themed around good places to eat in Sheffield. Low and behold a week later the bloody Star has a full page spread called Posh Nosh in Sheffield.

Surely it is your job to keep your premises clean and tidy. This press release makes no sense other than to get McDonalds in the news because they have a new burger to sell.

Originally posted by alchresearch
Surely it is your job to keep your premises clean and tidy.

True, with Mcdonalds their packaging is all labelled so it's quite obvious which is their rubbish. I'd like to see a similair policy of keep your surroundings tidy applied on London Road where there is a number of various takeaway places. After a weekend the road is littered with takeaway packaging. It's a disgrace.

But some graffiti is great...

Just take that example of free-thinking genius that's up on a board on West Street:

"Not accepting nuderty (sic) promotes lust and rape"

Certainly something to think about as you embark on a night out chasing skirt! ;)

Originally posted by Greenback
But some graffiti is great...

Just take that example of free-thinking genius that's up on a board on West Street:

"Not accepting nuderty (sic) promotes lust and rape"

Certainly something to think about as you embark on a night out chasing skirt! ;) Actually I think it's worse than that... I think it says:

"Not acsepting (sic) nuderty (sic) promotes lust and rape"

:loopy:

Originally posted by mikey
I know this is nothing to do with the Mcdonalds or the Council
But your quote of no news made me think of it.

I have read a couple of articles in The Star recently and I could have sworn we discussed them on here days before. I think we have a few journo's lurking.

Example
We discussed a topic called Posh Nosh - generally themed around good places to eat in Sheffield. Low and behold a week later the bloody Star has a full page spread called Posh Nosh in Sheffield.

You probably wouldn't be surprised at how many journalists use the web as an easy source of stories. They quite often come unstuck when it emerges they were actually looking at a spoof site.

I remember an Op Ed rant against Bonsai Kittens in the Portsmouth Evening News - should've checked their facts !

Will they stop trying to chuck rubbish down the throats of their customers ?

Empty gesture!

Originally posted by Tony Ruscoe
Actually I think it's worse than that... I think it says:

"Not acsepting (sic) nuderty (sic) promotes lust and rape"

:loopy:


Was this scrawled on the boarding that lines the new lower part of the West 1 development?

I think i saw that - what a legend!! Made me smile...anything would after walking off the Headford estate!!


Exeter had a legendary scrawl a few years back "Rotten battery eggs, dirty collaborator" - simple and to the point.

Let's not forget the 'Gouranga' folk. Havent seen one of these displays for a while - not since they took out the bridge on Charter Row, but i was mildly aggrieved to be held back from hurrying into Hallam, all because this random hippy dude wanted to sell me an overpriced unheard CD of music. When i told him i was late for an exam, he suggested that i "chilled out" and in keeping with monk tradition - repeat "GOURANGA" three times. What a muppet!!!

The most memorable one I saw was on a bridge in London, if memory serves me right. It said 'Eggy sucks himself off'. I often wonder what happened to Eggy and whether it impaired his social life, everybody knowing his predilections.

Originally posted by chalicefc3
Let's not forget the 'Gouranga' folk. Havent seen one of these displays for a while - not since they took out the bridge on Charter Row, but i was mildly aggrieved to be held back from hurrying into Hallam, all because this random hippy dude wanted to sell me an overpriced unheard CD of music. When i told him i was late for an exam, he suggested that i "chilled out" and in keeping with monk tradition - repeat "GOURANGA" three times. What a muppet!!!

Hi there... I'm one of the 'Gouranga folk' as you call us. Trust me... it is good to say Gouranga, it gives you good Karma and makes you happier. My friends all shout 'Gouranga Hey!' when they see me, lol, its great - really cheers us all up :D

As for McDonalds, i HATE it... my reason; I'm vegetarian... not that you can really call their burgers meat anyway ;)

GOURANGA HEY!

GourangaGirl -x-

Originally posted by Lickszz
I'd like to see a similair policy of keep your surroundings tidy applied on London Road where there is a number of various takeaway places. After a weekend the road is littered with takeaway packaging. It's a disgrace.

No kidding there it's a right mess :mad:
The underpass at Arundel Gate-Flat Street is also a good example:mad:
What must people think visiting Sheffield when they see all that Crap!.:confused:

Originally posted by chalicefc3
Was this scrawled on the boarding that lines the new lower part of the West 1 development?

I think i saw that - what a legend!! Made me smile...anything would after walking off the Headford estate!!



Oi! I live on the Headford 'estate' and it is very nice thankyou! Lots of disagreement about it elsewhere on the Forum, but hardly any graffiti or rubbish around.

Can I just defend McDonalds for a minute here and ask why they are always the scape-goats? Why not KFC or Burger King or Subway?! Not saying I agree with capitalisation and globalisation and all that, BUT, they do do some good things ya know...
such as scholarships for students, tea mornings for OAP's, rubbish pick-ups, some recycling, visits to help out at local primary schools, raising money for charity such as the Ronald McDonald Childrens Charity. They offer good jobs and a decent salary.

I know they do lots of bad things too, but everyone always v quick to criticise.
At least they are trying...
And no, I don't work for them and I am vegetarian.

Edit: Ok, just seen huge thread on Starbucks, so maybe it's not just McDonalds being picked on...

Originally posted by GourangaGirl
Hi there... I'm one of the 'Gouranga folk' as you call us. Trust me... it is good to say Gouranga, it gives you good Karma and makes you happier. My friends all shout 'Gouranga Hey!' when they see me, lol, its great - really cheers us all up :D


I'm not convinced. It's just a word. Wouldn't you feel just as happy if you said "Fireknickers" instead of "Gouranga"?

Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Think they'll be funding some money into cleaning the streets?
Since a lot of stuff thrown on the floor seems to be empty fast food boxes.

That would be a good start!
totally agree am sick of macd's paper everywhere, just dumped its yuk! i was at republic the other day and was walking up to josephines (?!) i saw 3 rats near macd's - i squealed like a girl and ran:P

I find it very difficult to make concrete decisions about `Corporate Globalisation` I do think things could be done differently but "everyone wants to change the world".

As for Maccies, of course it is promotional PR. A restaurant, shop, Bank etc is only as good as the people who work in or run them.

All McDonalds Worldwide want to do is sell burgers, watch the rise of the companies `real estate` in value and increase yearly pre-tax profits.

i just said gouranga 3 times n i feel like throwing up

btw,just because a sentence is scrawled on the wall in pen or paint,DOES NOT MEAN IT IS GRAFFITI

**** MACDONALDS

Originally posted by THCAyle
i just said gouranga 3 times n i feel like throwing up

btw,just because a sentence is scrawled on the wall in pen or paint,DOES NOT MEAN IT IS GRAFFITI

**** MACDONALDS

Does it not?


graffiti [Show phonetics]
noun [U], plural noun
words or drawings, especially humorous, rude or political, on walls, doors, etc. in public places:
e.g. The subway walls are covered in graffiti.


By definition I'm afraid it does.

Originally posted by GourangaGirl
Hi there... I'm one of the 'Gouranga folk' as you call us. Trust me... it is good to say Gouranga, it gives you good Karma and makes you happier. My friends all shout 'Gouranga Hey!' when they see me, lol, its great - really cheers us all up :D

As for McDonalds, i HATE it... my reason; I'm vegetarian... not that you can really call their burgers meat anyway ;)

GOURANGA HEY!

GourangaGirl -x-

I like saying Yogalites... go on, try it... it's a great word! Doesn't mean that I feel the need to put it on every bridge I come across with bits of tatty paper!

I like some graffiti, I think it could enhance the city centre to have some graffiti walls, but I just don't see how bits of paper stuck on a bridge will make the world a better place.

t020

do you really think the people who came up with that definition had a single clue about what graffiti was?

graffito, graffiti -- (a rude decoration inscribed on rocks or walls)
=> decoration, ornament, ornamentation -- (something used to beautify)

Originally posted by THCAyle
t020

do you really think the people who came up with that definition had a single clue about what graffiti was?

Graffiti is graffiti. Whether or not you like the connotations, the thing you call "art" that you put on the wall, without permission, is graffiti by definition. Deal with it.

Originally posted by t020
Graffiti is graffiti. Whether or not you like the connotations, the thing you call "art" that you put on the wall, without permission, is graffiti by definition. Deal with it.

Graffiti are graffiti. After posting a definition that includes the term plural yourself, one hopes you might have also comprehended it.

Permission is totally irrelevant. A Graffito is a drawn or written mark on a wall (or rock)

Graffiti with permission are still graffiti as are those without permission, or where permission is not required.

Beyond that a graffito is what you make of it - incisive social comment, vandalism, art - whatever.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Graffiti are graffiti. After posting a definition that includes the term plural yourself, one hopes you might have also comprehended it.

Permission is totally irrelevant. A Graffito is a drawn or written mark on a wall (or rock)

Graffiti with permission are still graffiti as are those without permission, or where permission is not required.

Beyond that a graffito is what you make of it - incisive social comment, vandalism, art - whatever.

It says "noun, plural noun" so I take that as meaning either. From what you're saying though, you're agreeing with me anyway. Graffiti is/ARE graffiti whether it's meaningless tagging or supposed art.

Well let's be honest. If someone came along and started spraying the side of your house you wouldn't be especially happy, regardless of grammar.

It does tend to be the art of the retard in 99.99999999999% of instances.

Much better they express their frustration with a downtrodden society by jumping off a railway bridge than spraypainting on it. Might get noticed more.

Originally posted by t020
It says "noun, plural noun" so I take that as meaning either. From what you're saying though, you're agreeing with me anyway. Graffiti is/ARE graffiti whether it's meaningless tagging or supposed art.

I am indeed. Just thought that you, of all people, might appreciate the distinction between a graffito and graffiti.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I am indeed. Just thought that you, of all people, might appreciate the distinction between a graffito and graffiti.

How thoughtful of you! :D I'll have to remember that one in future. ;)

those definitions of graffiti,and i make this clear...ARE NOT GRAFFITI

there a load of old ****** written by someone who has less of a clue about graffiti than you do,and thats something hard to come by...

Originally posted by THCAyle
those definitions of graffiti,and i make this clear...ARE NOT GRAFFITI

there a load of old ****** written by someone who has less of a clue about graffiti than you do,and thats something hard to come by...

No, they're definitions by the Cambridge and Oxford dictionaries. They're correct definitions because such dictionaries define our language, whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by THCAyle
those definitions of graffiti,and i make this clear...ARE NOT GRAFFITI

there a load of old ****** written by someone who has less of a clue about graffiti than you do,and thats something hard to come by...

Out of interest, genuine interest, have you spray painted your own home or that of any of your friends or relatives?

Originally posted by Geoff
One of Britain's largest fast food chains has signed up to the City Council's Graffiti Charter to support the campaign to improve the environment for local residents and visitors.

McDonald's is the first fast food outlet to join the major public and private organisations across the city to sign the Graffiti Charter, which also includes major city centre retailers, banks, universities and utility companies.

Narinder Singh, Director of Corporate Affairs at McDonald's commented: "We are pleased to support the Council in this initiative. It is important for us to keep our restaurants clean and free of graffiti for our customers and play our part in improving the environment for everyone."

Welcoming McDonalds' support for the campaign, Councillor Harry Harpham the Council's Cabinet member for Streetscene added: "It is important to work with the fast food businesses to tackle the environmental issues in the city. They are a significant addition to the list of key businesses to support this initiative and it reflects the importance that so many organisations place on tackling this blight on the landscape and the individuals who cause it."

Correct me for being of the understanding but...
Don't businises pay extra council tax/rates/call it whatever for disposal of waste/ street cleaning of litter caused by their nature on business?

It isn't actually McDonalds staff that drive round the street lobbing the waste out of their Nova windows.
That is the sole responsibilty & accountability of their customers.

If the council don't therefore use said rates & taxes in street cleaning then surely the council are to blame for litter (and ultimately the customer...).

Just a thought

Originally posted by t020
No, they're definitions by the Cambridge and Oxford dictionaries. They're correct definitions because such dictionaries define our language, whether you like it or not.

Dictionaries don't actually define language as such. In fact, they reflect language usage in the real world.

Originally posted by Greenback
Dictionaries don't actually define language as such. In fact, they reflect language usage in the real world.

Which at the moment REFLECTS that graffiti ARE any form of drawings or writing since that's how the majority of people perceive it (whether the so-called artists like it or not - maybe they should invent a specific word for graffiti 'art'?).

May I recommend the word

GARBAGE?

Originally posted by t020
Which at the moment REFLECTS that graffiti ARE any form of drawings or writing since that's how the majority of people perceive it (whether the so-called artists like it or not - maybe they should invent a specific word for graffiti 'art'?).

There is a specific term for graffiti art - it's 'graffiti art', spookily enough.

Why is it so difficult to accept that there's a difference between mindless vandalism and public art? I would have thought it's a pretty simple concept to deal with.

Originally posted by Greenback
There is a specific term for graffiti art - it's 'graffiti art', spookily enough.

Why is it so difficult to accept that there's a difference between mindless vandalism and public art? I would have thought it's a pretty simple concept to deal with.

Yes, but 'graffiti art' is under the umbrella of 'graffiti', which also includes tagging. This is something that THCAyle is trying to avoid - so perhaps he should invent a completely new word to avoid the connotations of the umbrella term "graffiti"?

As for the difference between mindless vandalism and public art, yes, there is a difference which I accept. However, you (and all of the other graffiti 'artist' sympathisers) should also accept that there are similarities too: both are enforced upon the public, both break the law, both are carried out without the necessary permission to do so, both are open to individual subjectivity (some people may like tagging, some people may despise graffiti 'art', etc).

Isn't it something to do with permission as well? Surely graffiti can't be called art in any place where they don't have consent?
But then in alot of respects it falls down to matter of opinion, stick a tag on a wall and its graffitl put it in a modern art gallery and its a "Frustrated artist's attempt to put across his inner child to the likes of our modern society" or some such tripe.

Originally posted by t020
Yes, but 'graffiti art' is under the umbrella of 'graffiti', which also includes tagging.

No. Graffiti art describes something very different to tagging.

trying to avoid tagging?im not,i do it myself sometimes,but not regularly,

t020,just because oxford and cambridge think graffiti is something doesnt mean there right,graffiti is what the people who do it want it to be,not the people who are trying to stop it.

Originally posted by THCAyle
trying to avoid tagging?im not,i do it myself sometimes,but not regularly,

t020,just because oxford and cambridge think graffiti is something doesnt mean there right,graffiti is what the people who do it want it to be,not the people who are trying to stop it.


Ok so what is a "table"? If I wanted to start calling a "chair" a "table", would that mean that suddenly a chair WAS a table? No, it wouldn't, and likewise, graffiti is graffiti, be it "art" or "tagging", they're both graffiti by definition.


Greenback - graffiti art may describe something different to tagging, but they're both forms of graffiti and fall under the umbrella term "graffiti". I really can't see why this is so difficult to understand.

I agree with t020. The graffiti artist's perception of the word brings on a defensive attitude towards people who criticize it!

Tagging is pure vandalism. Why? The purpose of tagging is to get your tag/name up in as many places as possible.
To get yourself a bit of fame in your little community or should I say crew?

Graffiti on property that doesn't belong to the 'artist’ who is doing it, is also pure vandalism, no matter how nice it looks.

Graffiti artists get upset when the word 'graffiti' is tarred with the same brush as vandalism because they love it so much and know how hard it is to do etc.
But the truth is, if it's not your property, it's vandalism.

Originally posted by ptigga
I'm not convinced. It's just a word. Wouldn't you feel just as happy if you said "Fireknickers" instead of "Gouranga"?

I think I might now have to make some

"Say fireknickers and be happy"

signs :)

so what if its vandalism,its looks better than a blank wall

Originally posted by THCAyle
so what if its vandalism,its looks better than a blank wall

In your opinion. In most peoples', it doesn't. What makes you think you have the right to impose your "art" on everyone else? The obvious come back is "what makes them think they can impose a blank wall on everyone else", to which the answer is obvious - it's their wall, they own/lease the land and building, so what it looks like is pretty much up to them (them being the business or homeowner). So again, what right do YOU have?

Originally posted by THCAyle
so what if its vandalism,its looks better than a blank wall

So in the same token, its ok to put a slab of concrete through someones window.
The reason being,the windows are dirty and it looks better with no glass.

I doubt it very much....

Paint on my walls and its vandalism,no matter how pretty you and ya homies think it is.

Originally posted by THCAyle
so what if its vandalism,its looks better than a blank wall

Great comeback. No, really. :roll:

In response to the person who saw the graffiti "Eggy sucks himself off"... I believe it was rumoured some years ago the Prince, or whatever he calls himself these days, had a rib removed so he could do the very same. :gag:

prince is abit weird like that

tango2,if you wanted to do that go for it,your choice,i dont happen to agree that windows look better with no glass in them,just as most people here dont agree with the fact graffiti looks better than blank walls

Originally posted by THCAyle
prince is abit weird like that

tango2,if you wanted to do that go for it,your choice,i dont happen to agree that windows look better with no glass in them,just as most people here dont agree with the fact graffiti looks better than blank walls

Precisely, so how would you feel if someone DID think that YOUR window would look better with no glass in, and acted upon their wish?

Originally posted by THCAyle
so what if its vandalism,its looks better than a blank wall


"so what if its Vandalism"

Nice statement if you have a total lack of respect for other peoples property.

its vandalism,but a different kind of it,the good kind

if someone thought my window looked better with a brick through it,fair on them,but theyd get a royal pounding and made to fix it using just there teeth.

if something is illegal,it doesnt automaticaly mean its bad,take ganja,amazing thing,but illegal,or illegal gambling,fun but illegal

Originally posted by THCAyle
its vandalism,but a different kind of it,the good kind


No, in YOUR opinion it's the "good kind". This doesn't mean it IS good - most people think it isn't. Try considering other people for a change.

Originally posted by THCAyle

if someone thought my window looked better with a brick through it,fair on them,but theyd get a royal pounding and made to fix it using just there teeth.

What, even if they thought the hole in the glass "improved" your window and was a "good kind of vandalism"? Talk about double standards.

Good idea to make them fix it though - the same should be applied to you - you should be made to clean up your "art" using only your tongue, and not charge the property owners a penny.


Originally posted by THCAyle

if something is illegal,it doesnt automaticaly mean its bad,take ganja,amazing thing,but illegal,or illegal gambling,fun but illegal

It means that, since we live in a country with a democratically elected government, the laws passed by the government are therefore representative of the majority of people. Most people think graffiti is bad, it is illegal, and since you live in this country you should abide by its laws, whether you like them or not.

Originally posted by THCAyle
its vandalism,but a different kind of it,the good kind



Please define "Good Vandalism"?.

The Criminal Damage Act of 1972.

The law says that a person is guilty of causing Criminal Damage if they ‘Damage the property of another person intentionally, or whether they are reckless as to whether or not the damage is caused.’

This means a person can be guilty of this offence if they deliberately break something that belongs to another person, or if they behave in such a way that they caused the damage by what they did, even if they did not mean to do it.

Today we use the word vandalism, when we mean criminal damage.


Perhaps by your definition of "Good Vandalism"the above act should be worded as follows.



The THCAyle Act of 2005


The law says that a person is guilty of causing Criminal Damage if they ‘Damage the property of another person intentionally, or whether they are reckless as to whether or not the damage is caused.’ unless the offender is under the impression that it is cool and looks good to him and his friends.

This means a person can be guilty of this offence if they deliberately break something that belongs to another person, or if they behave in such a way that they caused the damage by what they did, even if they did not mean to do it.
Unless they are under the influence of drugs and feel the damage seams somewhat funky to look at

Today we use the word vandalism, when we mean criminal damage.
However this could also be understood as do what you like to who or whatever you like because its good.

dont try and make up ways you think i think.thats just childish

good vandalism,i dont think there is any,but thats because IMO graffiti isnt vandalism,see what im on about here?or is your brain hurting trying to understand someone elses veiws?

btw,someone is guilty of crim damage if they damage a wall,if you paint a wall in matt white,top to bottom,is that damaging it?most people think not
but when someone paints it loads of nice colors in a pattern from top to bottom,it suddenly damages the wall...

Originally posted by THCAyle
btw,someone is guilty of crim damage if they damage a wall,if you paint a wall in matt white,top to bottom,is that damaging it?most people think not

Errr, yea. Paint my wall white and you'll be getting a visit from the Police for criminal damage.

thats exactly what im saying!

what if i did go around painting all your walls white?would i be charged for graffiti...if i did,then ****** to this country im off to canada...

You're not making any sense.

Do you actually think that you shouldn't be prosecuted if you went around painting peoples walls without their consent?

Originally posted by THCAyle
dont try and make up ways you think i think.thats just childish

good vandalism,i dont think there is any,but thats because IMO graffiti isnt vandalism,see what im on about here?or is your brain hurting trying to understand someone elses veiws?

btw,someone is guilty of crim damage if they damage a wall,if you paint a wall in matt white,top to bottom,is that damaging it?most people think not
but when someone paints it loads of nice colors in a pattern from top to bottom,it suddenly damages the wall...

Fisrtly Im not making anything up, secondly it seams that your view is the on view that counts according you.
I also just posted my own views,how do you respond? with childish statements.

If you paint a wall without the owners consent,then yes you have damaged it because you have altered its appearance.

Then you said there is no good vandalism,,,thats not what you said when you stated that Graffiti was vandalism of the good kind.

Originally posted by tango2
So in the same token, its ok to put a slab of concrete through someones window.
The reason being,the windows are dirty and it looks better with no glass.

I doubt it very much....

Paint on my walls and its vandalism,no matter how pretty you and ya homies think it is.

see now your just being daft, you cant compare graffiti and bricking some ones windows . thought , time , money , preperation , all go into graffiti. bricking a window is a mindless act, which wether u agree with graffiti or not, it clearly isnt.

i can understand people not likeing tags and throw ups, but i cant really understand people not likeing big colourful pieces

http://www.grafallstarz.com/pics/sheff/AlpineLiquors1.jpg

would you honestly prefer the wall to that ?

Originally posted by THCAyle
thats exactly what im saying!

what if i did go around painting all your walls white?would i be charged for graffiti...if i did,then ****** to this country im off to canada...


Yes you would be charged with vandalism, and rightly so. Can you not see that you have NO RIGHT to paint anyone elses property at all?? It doesn't matter whether it's plain white or a work of art, it isn't your property so you don't do it. It's that simple!

Originally posted by CRAKaJACK

i can understand people not likeing tags and throw ups, but i cant really understand people not likeing big colourful pieces

http://www.grafallstarz.com/pics/sheff/AlpineLiquors1.jpg

would you honestly prefer the wall to that ?

Yes, I would personally, I think the "art" you show in the picture is terrible. But it's not up to me, and it's not up to you either. It's up to the owner of the wall. Leave other peoples' property alone. Have some respect and consideration. How hard can it be?

Originally posted by CRAKaJACK
see now your just being daft, you cant compare graffiti and bricking some ones windows . thought , time , money , preperation , all go into graffiti. bricking a window is a mindless act, which wether u agree with graffiti or not, it clearly isnt.

i can understand people not likeing tags and throw ups, but i cant really understand people not likeing big colourful pieces

http://www.grafallstarz.com/pics/sheff/AlpineLiquors1.jpg

would you honestly prefer the wall to that ?

Nothing daft about it at all,using the brick and window was an example.
However yes it would be a mindless act and stupid and would be treated as vandalism.
Graffiti as you say is not a mindless act (hmmm),there time spent doing it and so just means its planned vandalism.

im sure some people plan to brick peoples windows..