Reports have reached me of several robberies in the Hunters Bar area, where robbers have followed people home, entered their houses and demanded money.

What I've heard sounds quite nasty - one person apparantly was threatened with a knife.

Does anyone know any more about these incidents? I also hope that this thread serves as a warning to people to be vigilant when returning home at night.

Andy - really nowt to be worried about. Like you, i live in Hunters Bar area, and im aware of the concerns you have. Just be a little more vigilant in your daily goings-about, but not overly so.

In every university, the problem exists. It is rich pickings for the robbing community and they target students who show no regard for security. Yes the knife incident was harsh, but remember that all those students involved were drunk at the time and made themselves vulnerable by it.

You dont hear the reports out of Bristol, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Birmingham or London. CRIME EXISTS!! But don't lose sleep over it. Its not nice, have been victim of crime on several occasions - now i'll retaliate (JOKE).

As someone 'born and bred' at Hunters Bar I have to say it's not what it used to be.....'when I was a lad' etc etc

It's neighbouring suburb of Sharrow has the highest burglary rate in the city and there is bound to be some spill over and spread into Hunters Bar.

I was the victim of such a crime and it was the straw that broke the camels back so I now live elsewhere.

I agree with chalicefc3, most student digs house 6 people all with PC's and stereos etc, rich pickings for one property.

andyb

I am a student who lives in the hunters bar area, and the recent armed robbery was less than a minutes walk from where i live. Our cleaners told us it was because someone went out leaving the door unlocked, the robbers then went in and held everyone to knifepoint in the lounge while they robbed the place. We are thinking of moving to Victoria Halls in our 2nd year rather than stay where we are. Does anyone know much about the area where Victoria Halls are (i.e. just south of west street) crime wise?
Thanks

I,m affraid the crime problem is no better around West Street as a work colleague was mugged in the subway on Hanover Way yesterday.
That underground is the only way to cross Hanover Way at mid way and has been the site of multiple muggings and robberys.

The Whole area around West street seems to be crime central ... Devonshire Green, West one, Broomhall to say just a few.

You would be lucky if you made it walking from town to Safeways, Devonshire Green no so bad now as police and cameras are around, but around West one through to Safeways very doggy Always aviod walking down Broomgrove walk (Headford Street / Gardens)

I would advise the long way, Via main road with good lighting!

Originally posted by jjrobbins
around West one through to Safeways very doggy
I'd advise watching where you put your feet.:)

Originally posted by sheffieldfox
I am a student who lives in the hunters bar area, and the recent armed robbery was less than a minutes walk from where i live. Our cleaners told us it was because someone went out leaving the door unlocked, the robbers then went in and held everyone to knifepoint in the lounge while they robbed the place. We are thinking of moving to Victoria Halls in our 2nd year rather than stay where we are. Does anyone know much about the area where Victoria Halls are (i.e. just south of west street) crime wise?
Thanks

As students what are you doing with cleaners, a bit extravagant?!

With regards to the robbery. It was on Pinner Road, the police put leaflets through all households in the area the next day asking for information. There was also a very similar robbery a few weeks ago on Roach Road, with the descriptions matching of those responsible. I'm hoping they are related so the crimes are attributed to this particular couple of people and the police can catch them and put an end to this.

Both times it was student households, I guess what I'm trying to get at is students need to be more security conscious i.e. not coming home drunk and leaving the front door open and generally more aware.

I'm trusting this is nowhere near Ecclesall

Shudders at thought of such goings on in such a nice neighbourhood

Originally posted by Belle
I'm trusting this is nowhere near Ecclesall

Shudders at thought of such goings on in such a nice neighbourhood

haha, yes of course it is - Hunters Bar, Ecclesall, Sheffield!

Cue rant from T020 about how Hunter's Bar isn't actually Ecclesall.....

The funny thing is, if you go into upmystreet.com (http://www.upmystreet.com) as recommended by the man himself and enter a nice cosy Ecclesall post code - I used S11 9QD, and then a nasty, dirty Manor postcode (S2 1GQ) and then check the crime figures, you get worse figures for the Ecclesall postcode for all the following crime categories:

Theft from a vehicle offences
Theft of a motor vehicle offences
Burglary dwelling offences
Robbery offences
Sexual offences
Violence against the person

Funny that.

Originally posted by Mike
Cue rant from T020 about how Hunter's Bar isn't actually Ecclesall.....

The funny thing is, if you go into upmystreet.com (http://www.upmystreet.com) as recommended by the man himself and enter a nice cosy Ecclesall post code - I used S11 9QD, and then a nasty, dirty Manor postcode (S2 1GQ) and then check the crime figures, you get worse figures for the Ecclesall postcode for all the following crime categories:

Theft from a vehicle offences
Theft of a motor vehicle offences
Burglary dwelling offences
Robbery offences
Sexual offences
Violence against the person

Funny that.

Thats absolute bullsh*t. Have tried that myself, using your recommended postcodes, click here to see (http://www.upmystreet.com/inf/sin/det/?l1=S11+9QD&l2=S2+1GQ) . It doesn't break down crime figures into areas, just by Sheffield Council and then by English average. You must've been confusing The Manor with the English Average. If you honestly think crime in Ecclesall would be worse than on the Manor, you're even stupider than I thought. I even put it to the mods to delete this libellous thread ASAP.

Originally posted by Dug
haha, yes of course it is - Hunters Bar, Ecclesall, Sheffield!

"HAHA", no, of course its not. That statement is entirely contradictory. Hunters Bar and Ecclesall are both separate areas in their own right - one is not part of the other. They're only a mile or 2 apart, but one is over crowded with students and one is a quiet suburb. Neither have severe crime when compared to other areas of the city, but all student areas have difficulties with theft, particularly in the earlier stages of the University year for the obvious reason that thieves will target new students, new to the city and to living without parental supervision. Just like Mike, you should get your facts right before you post.

That's odd - I had them open in seperate windows:

http://www.upmystreet.com/inf/sin/det/index.php3?l1=S11+9QD&l2=

http://www.upmystreet.com/inf/sin/det/index.php3?l1=S2+1GQ&l2=

And they showed different results, and if you refresh the windows several times, the other results are displayed - see:

http://ukbouldering.com/media/images/ums01.jpg
http://ukbouldering.com/media/images/ums02.jpg

Either way, it means that upmystreet.com is bogus.....

.....unless the crime figures are in fact the same. If you look at this report (http://panizzi.shef.ac.uk/trends/topic/safety/police.htm) from a few years back, crime ratess in all Sheffield districts are remarkably similar.

Originally posted by t020
I even put it to the mods to delete this libellous thread ASAP.

I advise you to go straight ahead and sue, t020. In fact, I think the police might well be interested. And NATO.

You could use take advantage of the Bush visit to petition him to invade anyone that doesn't believe that Ecclesall is in fact Nirvana.

Originally posted by Mike
That's odd - I had them open in seperate windows:

http://www.upmystreet.com/inf/sin/det/index.php3?l1=S11+9QD&l2=

http://www.upmystreet.com/inf/sin/det/index.php3?l1=S2+1GQ&l2=

And they showed different results, and if you refresh the windows several times, the other results are displayed - see:

http://ukbouldering.com/media/images/ums01.jpg
http://ukbouldering.com/media/images/ums02.jpg

Either way, it means that upmystreet.com is bogus.....

.....unless the crime figures are in fact the same. If you look at this report (http://panizzi.shef.ac.uk/trends/topic/safety/police.htm) from a few years back, crime ratess in all Sheffield districts are remarkably similar.


Whether or not you happened to cock up upmystreets system by refreshing it too much and on one occasion it brought up different stats is irrelevant. The crime stats are compiled for the local council, which covers all of Sheffield. No matter which Sheffield postcode you enter, you will get city wide crime figures. Unfortunately there is no breakdown by area for crime.

Incidentally, read (and weap).....


Crime and Community Safety
Crime rates for the year to March 2002 vary from ward to ward in the South West corporate area according to the type of crime, although for all measures used they are below the city average in all three wards (Ecclesall, Hallam, and Dore) in the area. The rate of burglary from a dwelling varies from two thirds of the city average in Ecclesall and Hallam wards, to around half of the city average in Dore ward. The rates of robbery, violence against the person and theft of a motor vehicle are all less than half the city average in all three wards that have all or part of their area in the South West. The incidence of theft from a motor vehicle is also less than the city average in all three wards in the area.

Crime and Community Safety
.................................................. ..........................................Ecclesal l.... Hallam .... Dore..........Sheffield Average
Burglary from a dwelling (Rate per 1,000 households)............ 19.4....... 18.3....... 16.8............ 29.4
Robbery offences (Rate per 1,000 population)......................... 1.0...........1.1........ 0.6.............. 2.6
Violence against the person (Rate per 1,000 population)......... 0.7......... 0.7......... 2.3.............. 6.0
Theft from a motor vehicle (Rate per 1,000 population)........... 13.0........ 10.1....... 12.7.......... 18.5
Theft of a motor vehicle (Rate per 1,000 population)............... 2.6........... 2.2........ 2.3.............. 6.9
Source: Sheffield City Council Community Safety Team 2002.

yeh its done for the whole of sheffield city council, it doesnt break it down into wards. if you did a london borough like haringey or camden, you would get broken down stats for london areas because they are seperate councils.

i live on ecclesall road, banner cross. last year i lived on clarkehouse road in student flats and had three burglaries, this year nothing so far so im happy.
also, my b/f lived on abbeydale road last year and the crime there was quite bad - gangs etc. i feel a lot safer this year.

students do attract crime, although not all are always drunk and make themselves vulnerable! criminals are attracted to the idea of 5x everything - 5 tvs, 5 computers etc.

Originally posted by t020
Incidentally, read (and weap).....


Crime and Community Safety
Crime rates for the year to March 2002 vary from ward to ward in the South West corporate area according to the type of crime, although for all measures used they are below the city average in all three wards (Ecclesall, Hallam, and Dore) in the area. The rate of burglary from a dwelling varies from two thirds of the city average in Ecclesall and Hallam wards, to around half of the city average in Dore ward. The rates of robbery, violence against the person and theft of a motor vehicle are all less than half the city average in all three wards that have all or part of their area in the South West. The incidence of theft from a motor vehicle is also less than the city average in all three wards in the area.

Crime and Community Safety
.................................................. ..........................................Ecclesal l.... Hallam .... Dore..........Sheffield Average
Burglary from a dwelling (Rate per 1,000 households)............ 19.4....... 18.3....... 16.8............ 29.4
Robbery offences (Rate per 1,000 population)......................... 1.0...........1.1........ 0.6.............. 2.6
Violence against the person (Rate per 1,000 population)......... 0.7......... 0.7......... 2.3.............. 6.0
Theft from a motor vehicle (Rate per 1,000 population)........... 13.0........ 10.1....... 12.7.......... 18.5
Theft of a motor vehicle (Rate per 1,000 population)............... 2.6........... 2.2........ 2.3.............. 6.9
Source: Sheffield City Council Community Safety Team 2002.

Well, even though upmystreet is misleading, congratulations - for once you've actually come up with some facts (though a proper link would be nice). I would have actually been surprised if S11 and S2 had the same crime rates, but there we go.

Anyway, my personal experience of Ecclesall is that though it is indeed a nice leafy suburb, about the most activity you'll ever see there is people washing their cars on a Sunday. When I lived there the streets were dead after 7pm and there was no sense of community whatsoever. Depends whether you want a nice, safe but boring area, or somewhere with a little life and spirit to it.

Originally posted by t020
Whether or not you happened to cock up upmystreets system by refreshing it too much and on one occasion it brought up different stats is irrelevant.

Interesting that - the first time I looked it showed me the strange stats, but that's obviously my fault, and not that of a badly designed site :rolleyes:

Originally posted by t020
Incidentally, read (and weap).....




What would that involve?

Originally posted by Belle
I'm trusting this is nowhere near Ecclesall

Shudders at thought of such goings on in such a nice neighbourhood You wind up merchant.

Those robberies at Hunter's Bar, an update:

Robbers get 26 years (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=817856)

An extract:

..... A month later Treazure kicked down a house door in Hunter House Road, Ecclesall, and held two students, the landlord and a woman hostage.
The thug ordered them to hand over their cash cards and warned: "I don't want to have to bring in the guys from outside who have guns."
He marched the four people into an upstairs bedroom, told them to sit down and face the wall and warned: "If you do or try anything I will stick a blade in your neck."
The men were then ordered downstairs one by one and told to hand over their cash cards and pin numbers.
----- Treazure later admitted three charges of robbery and a count of assault with intent to rob and was locked up for 13 years.
Shirley admitted two counts of robbery and possession of an imitation firearm with intent and was locked up for 10 and a half years.
Bunbury received a three year sentence after pleading guilty to a single robbery charge.

There are only two main types of people (not everyone) that live in Ecclesall... lower middle class snobs who complain about students, and students. Both are good candidates for robbers, so i wouldn't be surprised if they had a higher rate of burglary than the Manor.... who is gonna rob houses on the Manor? You'd probably get shot or beaten up if they catch you.... not cried at like you would in Ecclesall.

Originally posted by jjrobbins
The Whole area around West street seems to be crime central ... Devonshire Green, West one, Broomhall to say just a few.



Its like little Somalia after dark - gangs of them - obviously going about their own businesses eh?

Originally posted by Snook
There are only two main types of people (not everyone) that live in Ecclesall... lower middle class snobs who complain about students, and students. Both are good candidates for robbers, so i wouldn't be surprised if they had a higher rate of burglary than the Manor.... who is gonna rob houses on the Manor? You'd probably get shot or beaten up if they catch you.... not cried at like you would in Ecclesall.

What a load of nonsense! You are either deliberately winding up certain people on the forum, or a complete idiot.

And its up to you to figure out which one. ;o)

Those robberies at Hunter's Bar, an update:

I think it;s really positive that the police habe put down their donuts and caught these thugs. Now, what are they going to do about right wing, scum sucking tory bigots....

Alot of the people causing trouble etc are hanging around/drinking in the Pool Hall next to the Lescar. I think it's called Rileys or it's part of the Rileys chain.

Originally posted by Cycleracer
I,m affraid the crime problem is no better around West Street as a work colleague was mugged in the subway on Hanover Way yesterday.
That underground is the only way to cross Hanover Way at mid way and has been the site of multiple muggings and robberys.
There is a way to cross the road without using the subway as the railings don't go all the way along, there is a bit of a gap both sides, thats what I did the other week. shouldnt have to, though!:(

Originally posted by Snook
There are only two main types of people (not everyone) that live in Ecclesall... lower middle class snobs who complain about students, and students. Both are good candidates for robbers, so i wouldn't be surprised if they had a higher rate of burglary than the Manor.... who is gonna rob houses on the Manor? You'd probably get shot or beaten up if they catch you.... not cried at like you would in Ecclesall.

If you care to scroll up the thread you'd realise that Ecclesall has an average burglary per dwelling WELL below the average for Sheffield. It is also worth reminding you that Hunters Bar is NOT in Ecclesall. As I have proved, putting in a Hunters Bar postcode on upmystreet will show that the ward isn't even Ecclesall, let alone the area.

PS. Click the URL: http://www.upmystreet.com/overview/?l1=S11+8TW#Rep
This shows postcode data for a postcode on Hunter House Rd. Please note the council ward "Nether Edge", and NOT "Ecclesall". The only reason Ecclesall is mentioned in the article is through bad journalism.

I thought you'd have taken my advice, in one of the other threads, t20, and given your backside a chance...

Hunters bar *is* a sub division of Ecclesall, as is Silver Hill , and another area along Ecclesall Rd and Eccleshall Road South... is it Parkhead, i am thinking of? (in the same way that Greenland, Uttley or Stovin are Sub-divisions of the district of Darnall, or Waterthorpe, Westfield and Halfway are townships/ sub divisions of Mosborough)

As for wards, you know, as well as anyone, that there were ward changes all across the city, recently, with new wards created from the division of old wards. (eg, the former Broomhill ward is now gone, and the new, Fulwood ward replacing it covers Crosspool and Ranmoor...) so that means absolutely Zip.

go back to your little ghetto of banner cross, and post when you have something to actually contribute to the thread.

PT

(mods:- my apologies to you for the "snarkiness" in this reply, I am tired, I have had a totallly rotten day, at work, as well as recieving some gravely worrying news about a dear friend of mine,all this has conspired together, leaving me with only one nerve left, and our friend, above, has, I am afraid, got right on it!)

Originally posted by draggletail
There is a way to cross the road without using the subway as the railings don't go all the way along, there is a bit of a gap both sides, thats what I did the other week. shouldnt have to, though!:(

also, if you go up toward Glossop Road a few yards, above teh subway near the DWP building (with the spiky glass front) towards hanover methodist Church, there's a surface-level pelican/ puffin/ toucan type crossing (light-controlled) it's just below the junction with (?) broomspring lane, I think.

Something which has to be light years better than a dingy, spooky underpass, eh?

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker
ONLY PARTIAL AMOUT QUOTED.

Hunters bar *is* a sub division of Ecclesall, as is Silver Hill , and another area along Ecclesall Rd ...



You have sub-divisions as well as these umpteen districts?

How many districts have sub-divisions, then?

Damn, I forgot to quote another bit. Is t020 from Banner Cross? Is this "next door" (next district along) from Eccles(h)all!!!!? Or a sub-division of it?

Alex

Sorry, t020 - had to add the "h" in to have a little wind up:P

MOD: Please bring this thread back online. The Ecclesall debate is available on it's own thread. If you want to contribute to that then search for it.

MOD: I'm closing this thread now. If someone wants to debate the robberies at Hunters Bar start another thread, if you want to know what constitutes Ecclesall then search for existing threads on the subject.