Have just seen some of the cream of Sheffield's youth in a pigeon kicking fest on Devonshire Green ...one of them managed to kill one ....he was very proud of himself. Is it me or is Sheffield getting worse?

They killed a pigeon :loopy: How Sick :gag:

That's disgusting.
Just hope it's something they grow out of. I do think Sheffield is getting well rough and it's a proper shame. People seem to just get ruder, thicker and tackier...

Thats terribly cruel but it gets worse. From what I've seen they frequently pick on other random people on the division street side.

Seems to me most of the kids around Sheff are out of control - violence and rudeness seem to be the norm with them

Originally posted by Skatiechik
They killed a pigeon :loopy: How Sick :gag:

They are vermin, like rats.

Originally posted by nick2
They are vermin, like rats.
It still takes a pretty cruel person to kick a living creature to death for no other reason than their own amusement.

Sheffield's not getting worse just some of the youth element unfortunately.

Originally posted by frabig
Have just seen some of the cream of Sheffield's youth in a pigeon kicking fest on Devonshire Green ...one of them managed to kill one ....he was very proud of himself. Is it me or is Sheffield getting worse?

maybe someone should kick them to death - newspaper today a woman has battered a cat to death with a rolling pin becasue her son wouldnt fetch her some more beer - she recieved 80hrs community service - you no what i say - batter her to death with a rolling pin...... and if the government want someone to dish out the sentencing - ill happily volunteer

a true animal lover

I walk past devonshire green pretty much every day and it's a really nice little area! Problem is, it's full of bag heads, smack heads and 14-17 year old punk goths as if it were the 80's.

Walked through there on Wednesday and there were 4 police officers on horses just patroling around. My god i've never seen the park as good. There were kids running about playing footy, couples lying on the grass slope and not a smack head in sight!!!!

Do you guys think it's me just being sad and wishing that the respectable people of Sheffield should have a nice place to relax and let kids play? Or do you think i'm right in what i'm saying?

bobby22, i completely agree

the smack heads that hang out at the cathedral do my head in when everyone on their lunch break just wants to relax in what is quite a nice bit of the city

and bigjay, here here...some of these kids need a taste of their own medicine...they're just scum....round em up and put them in their own little community and let them treat each other as cruelly as they treat others!

Maybe if the respectable people of Sheffield did something about it they would behave better?

I know it can be dangerous to challenge yobs but what about all these camera and video phones we have these days? Why not get some evidence to help the police put a stop to them?

And why is it that the older I get the more intolerant of this kinda thing I become and they more draconian i become in my favoured punishment for these kinda idiots?

Originally posted by nick2
They are vermin, like rats.

Yeah, the kids are, don't know about the pigeons. It doesn't matter what they are, they're still living creatures. People who hurt animals are the lowest of the low and I would have no hesitation in having the kid who did that kicked to death himself. If he can dish it out to an innocent creature that can't fight back, then let's see how good he is at taking it. There is *no* excuse for it.

Originally posted by ole1
Maybe if the respectable people of Sheffield did something about it they would behave better?


Totally agree!!! We should do!

its the age old "in my day we never did this or we respected our elders" but it does feel like the youth of today are far more aggressive and out of control

the thing is even with video evidence what punishment realistically will these yobs get...a slapped wrist...a fine and can it be justified that all that time and money spent on convicting the yobs who will receive a minimal sentence when there are murderer and rapists walking about the streets committing crimes...

it seems like a no win situation

Originally posted by irenewilde
I would have no hesitation in having the kid who did that kicked to death himself.

Realy, you wouldn't hesitate, you'd just have a person killed like that, over a pigeon ?

What if it was a relative of yours ?

And would you do the execution yourself, or whould you have someone do it for you, while you just watch ?

Do you think people who poison rats should be put to death too, and what about people who put down slug pellets ?

far point,

thats why i think u should put them all in a community together and let them do what they do to others to each other, maybe that would teach them

Originally posted by nick2
Realy, you wouldn't hesitate, you'd just have a person killed like that, over a pigeon ?

What if it was a relative of yours ?

And would you do the execution yourself, or whould you have someone do it for you, while you just watch ?

Do you think people who poison rats should be put to death too, and what about people who put down slug pellets ?

i wouldnt think twice about killing someone that killed a helpless animal especially the woman who killed the cat.

none of my relatives would be barbaric or inhumain enough to inflict any pain on a animal

as for rats and controlled killings that has to be done........

Originally posted by bigjay
i wouldnt think twice about killing someone that killed a helpless animal especially the woman who killed the cat.


you would actually kill another person over a cat ?

This is the tough thing about this kinda subject
when im angry about it i think nothing is too harsh for these thugs, but if we punish them by physically hurting them, arent we as bad as them and what kind of example is that going to set?

but, what is the answer to this, live in a dictatorship where crimes r punishable by death or a democracy with freedom of speech where these thugs can almost get away with murder!!!!

god this is heavy for a fri afternoon!:hihi:

I think I think that nobody should kill anybody - human or animal. Punishment and attempts to reform s/b applied.

It's kinda ironic that the only reason we actually have Dev Green is cuz that area was wiped out in the blitz - used to be shops and back2backs before it was bombed to bits....

So much disgusting ego orientated deaths, and the older people who are scared to walk out and are not even safe in their own homes, fought and suffered horifically for the freedom of today's youth!!

Originally posted by nick2
you would actually kill another person over a cat ?

the type of person who would kill a cat .... yes and i wouldnt lose a minutes sleep over it

Originally posted by bigjay
the type of person who would kill a cat .... yes and i wouldnt lose a minutes sleep over it

you scare me.

bigjay u kinda scare me too

Originally posted by asbo
Seems to me most of the kids around Sheff are out of control - violence and rudeness seem to be the norm with them

Please don't tar everyone with the same brush - it may appear this way to you because you don't take any notice/don't see the more well behaved youngsters around. Just because people are young doesn't mean they are troublesome, there's idiots like this of all ages.

What wimps!!

If I saw someone hurting an animal for pleasure, I'd hurt them a lot more. I wouldn't enjoy it but how else are they gonna learn!? :mad:

but by kicking **** out of them what is that teaching them....its teaching them that violence is the answer which is what u r punishing them for in the first place...this then becomes a vicious circle

pigeons ARE the dirtiest of dirty creatures (apart from slugs of course) :gag:

BUT they are not footballs so kids shouldn't kick them

BUT neither are kids footballs, so we shouldn't kick them either.

BUT they are not footballs so kids shouldn't kick them

how very true!!!

Originally posted by triccivicci
but by kicking **** out of them what is that teaching them....its teaching them that violence is the answer which is what u r punishing them for in the first place...this then becomes a vicious circle

id kick them to death - then they wouldnt be alive to learn that violence isnt the answer - especially the woman who battered the cat.......

i could never work for the RSPCA

Originally posted by bigjay
i could never work for the RSPCA

or the NSPCC

Originally posted by nick2
you scare me.

nick2 - as long as you dont intentionally harm or kill defenceless loyal loving animals like cats the you will be safe same goes for you triccivicci.......

Originally posted by bigjay
nick2 - as long as you dont intentionally harm or kill defenceless loyal loving animals like cats the you will be safe same goes for you triccivicci.......

cats are the most spitefull creatures on earth.

Originally posted by nick2
cats are the most spitefull creatures on earth.

you obviously dont own one....... i love my cats

Originally posted by bigjay
you obviously dont own one....... i love my cats

I'm alergic to cat hair, it triggers my asthma, and I don't like them anyway, s**ting all over my back garden and killing my fish.

Cats rule!!!! Does hurting people who are hurting people stop people hurting people? Je pens pais.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Please don't tar everyone with the same brush - it may appear this way to you because you don't take any notice/don't see the more well behaved youngsters around. Just because people are young doesn't mean they are troublesome, there's idiots like this of all ages.


Totally agree, the original comment i made wasn't mainly aimed at the younger yobs, but more so the smack heads that always hang arond there and think it's 'ard to get ****** from 11 in the morning and abuse people on the way past. Most of these guys, and a few girls too, are mainly in there mid to late 20's.

Total scumbags. As i said before, with the small police presence on Wednesday, the park looked great!! Just as it should be.

Originally posted by nick2
I'm alergic to cat hair, it triggers my asthma, and I don't like them anyway, s**ting all over my back garden and killing my fish.

thats unfortunate nick2 - but you wouldnt intentionally kill one........ or would you....!

bigjay: so what if it was a dog and not a cat? would you still feel the same? (i have a cat and nick2 is right, they are spitefull)

Originally posted by Craigy
bigjay: so what if it was a dog and not a cat? would you still feel the same? (i have a cat and nick2 is right, they are spitefull)

i have two cats and a japanese akita - all three are so loyal and loving i feel the same about any animal......

Cats are MEAN and they eat mice and small gentle creatures.

However, it is not good to hit them with a rolling pin because they don't KNOW that they're mean.

Perhaps the woman did not know that she was mean?

so would you be happy to kick a cat to death next time it kills a bird for pleasure?
i cant see how u can happily kick a human to death for killing a bird and then let your cats do it.

Originally posted by Craigy
so would you be happy to kick a cat to death next time it kills a bird for pleasure?
i cant see how u can happily kick a human to death for killing a bird and then let your cats do it.

thats all mother nature and the food chain..... you are getting it all confused.........

Originally posted by chickmonk
Cats are MEAN and they eat mice and small gentle creatures.

However, it is not good to hit them with a rolling pin because they don't KNOW that they're mean.

Perhaps the woman did not know that she was mean?

yes she did she did it out of spite because it belonged to her son - who wouldnt fetch her some more beer..........

well my cats have brought loads of dead things home and never eaten them. the neighbors cat killed 2 of the birds off out bird table and left them dead on the floor. So where does the food chain kick in? and whats so natural about it?

Originally posted by Craigy
well my cats have brought loads of dead things home and never eaten them. the neighbors cat killed 2 of the birds off out bird table and left them dead on the floor. So where does the food chain kick in? and whats so natural about it?

ok so its animal killer instincts........! which in turn keep the ecological cycle in tune

how did this become a cat debate...i mayself have a dog and prefer them but thought the point was aboput violence and imtimadation in sheff on the rise??!!??:confused:

sorry we'll go back to the topic, i was just trying to find out how some1 can value a cats life so much more than a human 1 and how they would excuse it

sorry i thought it was about mindless killing of animals by the sheffield youths.......

I certainly would not kick a cat to death. Good grief! Crikey! :0

But cats are mean. Oh yes they are.

And I certainly like small gentle creatures better.

The woman, it seems, was also mean. But kicking her to death would not be good either. This is because kicking things to death is not a good thing to do.

In summary -

Don't kick pigeons to death
Don't kick cats to death (or use a rolling pin)
Don't kick women to death (even if they are mean)

:)

Originally posted by Craigy
sorry we'll go back to the topic, i was just trying to find out how some1 can value a cats life so much more than a human 1 and how they would excuse it

its not an excuse i just could not understand anyone killing or hurting a defenceless creature........ animals cant fight back.

the last word on it

ooh just read back and now i look like i hate my cat. i love ma kitty even tho he hates me. i think the rule to follow is "dont kick things to death unless you want bigjay kicking you to death"

It's an undeniable fact that some kids are a total pain in many ways and as they know there is not going to be any punishment doled out to them the behaviour and just becomes worse and worse.
I still think they should bring back old fashioned 'stocks' stick the nasty kids in these for half a day and let them get well and truly ridiculed and laughed at, I think they'd think twice before being a pest again. Just to be really nasty I'd offer them a nice long drink before hand and then not allow them toilet priveleges as well.

OK - but can I please just say that u shud not generalise about the personalities of cats!!! Thank you!

stocks sound like a good idea...right on devonshire green so all their buddies could see!!!!!!!

would the rotten fruit be allowed or can we only point and laugh?

Rotten fruit?
Of course and just think how many new jobs could be created, some-one to collect and sell the fruit to interested parties [nominal fee of course] Somebody would have to build and maintain the stocks and I suppose we'd need some-one guarding the person locked in the stocks so that no-one got carried away with red hot pokers or the like.
Kids absolutely hate being laughed at, just think a tomato streaked, urine soaked yob!!! I think they'd never want to end up in that position again.

ya know i really think that is the answer... dont punish-----Humiliate the buggers! i think a new hair colour would be better than any tap on the wrist

Originally posted by Craigy
ya know i really think that is the answer... dont punish-----Humiliate the buggers! i think a new hair colour would be better than any tap on the wrist
Not sure the threat of a new hair colour would really deter them given the number of primary colours already in evidence (tho I do approve of such things), maybe a nice mousey brown job with a parting, all washed and scrubbed and morally upstanding. Cruelty to animals is a forerunner of later life psychosis and violent behaviour. So maybe we should lock em all up just to be on the safe side:o

I'm surprised the city centre ambassadors don't look after the place. There's always someone on down at the peace gardens and Dev green is just as popular when the sun's out. Even just the friendly face of authority can make sure the inmates don't get too rowdy. With the skate park there and all the different groups who hang about it's a wonder nothing more serious has kicked off.

Maybe it should be renamed Chavonshire Square / The Chavonshire Quarter?

Great idea asbo! Chavonshire Green it is!

Originally posted by bobby22


Walked through there on Wednesday and there were 4 police officers on horses just patroling around. My god i've never seen the park as good. There were kids running about playing footy, couples lying on the grass slope and not a smack head in sight!!!!


The answer is simple then...bring back the park-keeper. Maybe we can also bring back care-takers, bus conductors and the other guardians of our public spaces?

nah..costs too much :mad:

Originally posted by nick2
I'm alergic to cat hair, it triggers my asthma, and I don't like them anyway, s**ting all over my back garden and killing my fish.

We've got two cats and a pond. The fish tend to have a desire to leap out of the pond onto the decking, when one does so whichever cat happens to be patrolling the area stands by the fish until somebody notices and puts it back in the pond. I've never known anything like it, they'll stand by and protect them, and even when they're flapping around they won't try and harm it.

If both of them are around, one will come and miao their heads off until somebody comes outside, to find the other watching the fish. People often say humans are the only species capable of compassion, but my cats have proved it untrue!

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by frabig
Have just seen some of the cream of Sheffield's youth in a pigeon kicking fest on Devonshire Green ...one of them managed to kill one ....he was very proud of himself. Is it me or is Sheffield getting worse?

Think I may have found the inspiration for this barbaric act:
http://lyrics.teenage.cz/lyrics/lyric.php?id=28480

Scary vegan big jay, if Spunge end up kicked to death next week may I suggest an insanity plea will go down better.

right...I'd just like to say that not all of us teenagers behave like that. I'm not trying to be rude or anyhing, it's just that nowadays all 'grown - ups' ever seem to do is look down on us like we're some kinda scum! I'd like to be treated with atleast a little bit of respect but I can't, and me being black doesn't help with the whole respect situation. Does anyone agree with me or do you think that I am chatting complete bull...please reply, I wanna hear your views!

Thanks people,
Sweet Dreama:hihi:

Originally posted by sweetdreama
right...I'd just like to say that not all of us teenagers behave like that.

Hey sweetdreama, we do know that not all young uns are bad. See the post i put on page 3. Hopefully will make you see that we do realise it's not everyone who's like this.

thanks bobby...i like to see there is some nice adults out there in the world!:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Andy
The answer is simple then...bring back the park-keeper. Maybe we can also bring back care-takers, bus conductors and the other guardians of our public spaces?

nah..costs too much :mad:

Bring back the water hoses and rubber bullets - that would see to all those hoodies and chavs and low life ...

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Think I may have found the inspiration for this barbaric act:
http://lyrics.teenage.cz/lyrics/lyric.php?id=28480

Scary vegan big jay, if Spunge end up kicked to death next week may I suggest an insanity plea will go down better.

noooooooooo dont kill [spunge] scary vegan big jay!!! please... tbh i'v never heard of a chav that listens to ska punk so i doubt this band is to blame.

there are always idiots on dev green . normally winos of smack heads. I just laugh at them when they give me abuse....

Originally posted by robbie
there are always idiots on dev green . normally winos of smack heads. I just laugh at them when they give me abuse....

They can be a problem though. Two wandered into a ceilidh I was at at the Blind Institute last Friday night and were covered in blood, had been fighting.

yep I was there and saw them. they soon got moved out.

theres always a-holes on dev green. i got hassle from a group of skaters of whatever scum they are, but a few slaps later they changed their mind about trying to be clever. nothing but layabout scum.

Originally posted by robbie
yep I was there and saw them. they soon got moved out.

Now I'm intrigued! Who are you? I know most people there!

They are so annoying!


These yobs should be removed for the pelase of everyone else.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Now I'm intrigued! Who are you? I know most people there!

I'm a man of mystery or not ;)

you don't know me. I was there with various members of Hekerty and Crucible (I work with Rich) I'm a very tall blond bloke

Originally posted by robbie
I'm a man of mystery or not ;)

you don't know me. I was there with various members of Hekerty and Crucible (I work with Rich) I'm a very tall blond bloke

Ok. But I know them. You may know this but Gavin and Helena among others were also getting pushed down the street with me by the police t'other day. Aah, what exciting links...

Originally posted by nick2
Realy, you wouldn't hesitate, you'd just have a person killed like that, over a pigeon ?

What if it was a relative of yours ?

And would you do the execution yourself, or whould you have someone do it for you, while you just watch ?

Do you think people who poison rats should be put to death too, and what about people who put down slug pellets ?

No, I wouldn't hesitate. Putting down slug pellets and poisoning rats is not at all the dame thing. Kicking something to death when they know it's scared and in pain just suggests to me that there is something very wrong with that person mentally and yes, I'd do it myself. And it *would* not be a relaitve of mine, my family know better than to inflict cruelty on innocent, defenceless creatures. It's when people like you start using phrases like "*only* a cat/dog/etc that people start to think they're less important than us and it doesn't matter what you do to them.

Q:Why would anyone kill an animal for fun??
A: Because they are sick in the head - there is a big difference in killing for food, and killing because your a moron...:gag:
what a waste of youth!!!

Originally posted by irenewilde
It's when people like you start using phrases like "*only* a cat/dog/etc that people start to think they're less important than us and it doesn't matter what you do to them.

I do think animals are less important than us, if I thought they were as important as us I would never eat meat, poultry or fish or anything "harvested" from them, like milk or eggs, and neither would you.
Or are you like a friend of mine who will happily eat a steak even though she knows the cow probably died in terror but practically called the RSPCA when she suspected her neighbour was not feeding his kitten enough ?
I call if the "fluffy not food" syndrome.

Originally posted by nick2
I do think animals are less important than us, if I thought they were as important as us I would never eat meat, poultry or fish or anything "harvested" from them, like milk or eggs, and neither would you.


Mate, go and spend a night in the jungle and see how important a lion thinks you are

Originally posted by gawth
Mate, go and spend a night in the jungle and see how important a lion thinks you are

Don't you mean "a tiger", lions live on grassland not in jungles, but your comment is very thought provoking none the less.

Here's a better idea.....put lions on Dev Green :D

Yes I know that, you could even call it a savannah or a plane but how pedantic and dull is that. I think we're all familar with the term "King Of The Jungle" whether he lives there or not

sorry, whether he/she lives there or not!! :-)

and I guess you meant "plain" not "plane" unless lion attacks at 50,000 feet are more common than I thought.

Tricci, you have to believe that the murderers and rapists out there will be caught and brought to book.
What did the person who witness this terrible event do? Did they call the police? Did they intervene? Did they tell someone else nearby? We all have a responsibility within our respective communities to react appropriately to these incidents

I was 50m away and on the phone when I saw it. The culprit moved away quickly. Had I been nearer and quicker to react I would have done something, mind you I would probably have got my head kicked in! As for calling the police...easier said than done....I saw another incident later that day on Chavonshire Green where a girl was punching the beejasus out of another girl - called 999 - waited....and waited.... and waited - eventually someone answered - they had already heard about the incident from other callers but were too busy to attend - G8 and all that.

my sons go on devonshire green skate park.

they often have to borrow a dustpan and brush when the ADULT yobs leave their crap on at night.
they clear up the site and then skate ( as is its purpose)
my kids have been assaulted twice. had money demanded from them by an adult drunk. it seems anyone with a skateboard is a target for so called chavs as well as disgruntled adults who tar all with the same brush.

adult drunks - batter them to death...... it wont be long i tell you before some one gets mugged at knife point or raped or seriously hurt on the green. woe betide anyone who tries it with me.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! believe me it will be the last thing they ever do

Reckon you're right Bigjay....I hate to say it but I think things will have to get a lot worse on Chavonshire Green before the authorities wake up and do something about it. Apparently, it is council / police policy to semi-encourage the rogue element to hang out round the Green - if they have a bit of a free rein in the Chavonshire area, the peace gardens, town hall etc won't get troubled.

Dick head chavs wi nowt better to do

kill the chavs - free society of this pollution :clap: :clap: :clap:

tell me how do you decide who are the trouble causers.
what is the genneral opinion of the kids who actually skate thre.
are they any better / worse than the chavs and is there a socio economic difference between the two

throws question out to all ...:suspect:

I sat at Devonshire Green yesterday afternoon (Monday).
There are some drunk real loosers there.
A saw a couple bring along their two young boys to sit with the group and I thought ,"What a terrible way to bring up kids; they will think getting drunk and pouring beer over eachother is normal."

Originally posted by joffandanmum
tell me how do you decide who are the trouble causers.
what is the genneral opinion of the kids who actually skate thre.
are they any better / worse than the chavs and is there a socio economic difference between the two

throws question out to all ...:suspect:

skatebording kids - not a problem the skate park is designed for that. p*****d chavs hurling abuse at anyone that walks pass - not for that

Originally posted by bobby22
I walk past devonshire green pretty much every day and it's a really nice little area! Problem is, it's full of bag heads, smack heads and 14-17 year old punk goths as if it were the 80's.



Why do you have to mention punks/goths here? They don't cause anyone any harm, leave them out of it please.

i was sitting on the green today (wednesday) and a man p****ed in one of the bins! i was absolutely sickened. once again there were drunks and chavs galore, these people are the scum of the earth. they have nothing better to do with their time, they are getting money from the likes of you and i who work and pay taxes and it really does p**** me off!! they are ignorant morans who quite honestly are no use or purpose on this planet!

weve all done it :P




oh ok just me then :P




nowt wrong with getting ******, having a laugh, meeting together.............................as long as it is done with some respect for others :)

like to think when i was ****** on the streets i did it with some respect for others

walking through the green last night on my way to the forum i noticed the next victim of the un ruley idiots of society - a poor tree has been vandalised with some of the main branches snapped off it - no doubt done by the idiots for fun.......:rant:

What I don't understand is the litter. Some groups of chavs sit out in the sun throwing their litter all around them when there a plenty of bins around. The council employ a guy who spends half the week cleaning up Chavonshire Green - he must be really sick of it.

Originally posted by chav
Some groups of chavs sit out in the sun throwing their litter all around them when there a plenty of bins around.

TBH I've seen all sort of people of all ages doing that in town, in the day it's outside Mc Donalds at night it's outside any pizza/kebab shop.

i hang out there most of the time,there is some real ********s

we try avoid them as much as possible but they hassle everyone

It's a shame really - Chavonshire Green could be such a nice place but the council seem intent on letting the chavs do what they like there..

Looking at the American example they will take a street/park often in quite a rough area, clean it up maybe ban drinking in that area and then most importantly they will then have some sort of Security in the area.

This does not need to cost a fortune.

If the council already employ someone to clean it everyday why not combine the post security/caretaker?

Plus if it had proper security then the place would probably not be in such a mess.

I also think it would be totally wrong to get rid of the skate park as surely when kids are engaged in some kind of activity/sport they are less likely to be causing trouble when they are bored.

I think much of the problems today are caused by kids not being active enough but thats another subject.

Originally posted by macca_100
It's a shame really - Chavonshire Green could be such a nice place but the council seem intent on letting the chavs do what they like there..

so true

its great to have a park in the centre but its not the kind of place I'd like to spend my time relaxing due to all the tramps, chavs and druggies/winos.

clean it up and police it and it becomes a great asset

how do you think the people who hang about there everyday feel?

its more annoying when they come and sit with you!!

then you get everything they do related to you.