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Caught a bit of this guys late night show earlier today. From the sounds of it, he's not too popular with the callers. I think he sounded like a bit of a self opinionated, arrogant nob trying to provoke a reaction from callers to boost listening figures. A bit like me on here, except to provoke replies to posts...... but thats another story. So, what does everyone here make of him? Didn't catch much of his show, anyone ever phoned in or anything?
I've phoned in on his (former) morning show a couple of times, trying to win myself a few competitions. Came semi-close to them, got on the air a few times, and have had a chat or two with him during the songs and ad breaks.
Yes, most of the time he's a tit. But that's what makes the show so appealing.
According to the Hallam FM website, he checks these boards regularly, so he's likely to read this...
*Twinkle* 14-11-2003, 06:15 Hallam Fm's late night show used to be fab when Diana Luke did it!
Don't know much about the other guy though, I haven't really listened to the late night show since she left!
( Can a mod delete my post before please)
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mrs_info 14-11-2003, 09:59 for those who care, diana luke now does late night on real radio!
alchresearch 14-11-2003, 11:52 She used to follow Paul Massey on saturday nights back in the late 80's, early 90's. In this the time you were talking about or has she been back since?
tinajones 14-11-2003, 12:27 i think hes well entertaining!
The trouble with nick is that he genuinly is up his own rear in regards to his own opinions, ie. he takes them too far, alienating his callers and generating too much negative attitude from people (see their site) Then insulting them after, his show *used* to be good when he listened to his callers then made an opinion on their topic, all i hear now is just nick shouting down at them with some "err, um, when.., i tri... the poin..." etc. from the caller as they battle to try and put across a point
but, I turned over to Radio 1 and heard a song Ive been waiting ages to listen to again :P
Originally posted by caprice
Hallam Fm's late night show used to be fab when Diana Luke did it!
Don't know much about the other guy though, I haven't really listened to the late night show since she left!
( Can a mod delete my post before please)
[Edited by Tony Ruscoe - Previous post deleted as requested!]
I heard a few when she did it, the Canadian one? She was very boring. All 'lets talk about it', with regards to relationship problems and related issues. Who cares about some strangers relationship issues? Not me, hence I didn't listen again.
367squadron 14-11-2003, 21:57 i hate him!!! he is so annoying id rather listen to galaxy. its much better than listening to him slate and insult the callers that dont have the same opinion as him. I like dianna Luke she was good..........its nice tohave a mature chat once in a while rather than talking about some sort of crap. If Nick does read this i just wanna tell him that infact all my friends now listen to a different radio station and i think that u shud leave or you will end up with the sack cos u r annoying and very insultive towards your callers.
Originally posted by 367squadron
i hate him!!! he is so annoying id rather listen to galaxy. its much better than listening to him slate and insult the callers that dont have the same opinion as him. I like dianna Luke she was good..........its nice tohave a mature chat once in a while rather than talking about some sort of crap. If Nick does read this i just wanna tell him that infact all my friends now listen to a different radio station and i think that u shud leave or you will end up with the sack cos u r annoying and very insultive towards your callers.
I agree. From what I've heard of him he sounds like an annoying idiot. Although I disagree with Diana Luke being good.
kittykat 14-11-2003, 23:03 Hes an idiot i absolutely despise him. He makes some stupid comment such as the other night when he said people shouldnt wear poppies and comes up with an argument to back it up knowing people will ring up annoyed and when they try to put a reasonable argument across he shouts them down or calls them thick and cuts them off. Then you get the morons ringing up agreeing that the last caller was thick and nick is right.
Thing is theres bugger all else on at night so when youre in the car you have to listen to it or sit in silence. Id much rather listen to an intelligent talk show though and i might even tune in voluntarily if this were to happen but since hes the DJ i defintely wont be doing.
Its not particularly his opinions that bother me although i do disagree with them its the fact he will not accept any arguments. What the hells the point in having a talk show if it just revolves around his opinions and the fact theyre right no matter what you have to say.
Hes an arrogant swine whos too thick to do anything useful so gets stuck DJing til the early hours of the morning and just cos he has the power to cut people off thinks hes the best thing since sliced bread.
Hope he reads this but he probably cant work out how to use the net anyway so i doubt he will.
Ill back any campaign to get him thrown off infact im off now to email hallam to tell them how awful he is.
*Twinkle* 15-11-2003, 07:37 Diana Luke actually listened to her callers... Thats why she didn't have to provoke arguments to get more listeners. I, personally enjoyed her show, but I understand where t020's coming from when he says he didn't want to listen to other peoples problems in their relationships.
It wasn't all women's talk though, there were a lot of real debates aswell, some of which got heated, but they were kept under control by Diana.
The bloke's just doing his job!
kittykat 15-11-2003, 19:12 didnt know a djs job was to **** off everyone who listens, i thought they were supposed to entertain
chalicefc3 15-11-2003, 22:31 Come on guys and gals. The guy is only playing devil's advocate. You will find that it is a fresh format for the radio medium. If you have ever listened to Talk Sport - it has prided itself from day 1, by going 'against the grain'. How boring would radio be if the presenter only ever agreed with the views of the listener. I believe that some of the topics discussed on his show, tend to appeal to the 'tabloid' listener and fail to achieve a great deal of sense. But in saying that, while i recognise that he may **** people off, his being controversial will only promote Hallam FM. If it gets you talking about it, great promotion. You might even want to listen to his show now to realise how annoying he can be with listeners.
Don't take it seriously, i am sure the guy is sound and doesnt believe half the things that he says he does on the airwaves.
chalicefc3 15-11-2003, 22:34 BTW, seeing as you lot have regular net access, if you are bored with that show; try listening to Late Night Love which airs on many other regional stations. For our region though, you will have to listen on the internet. Its a good show and alongside the Radio 1 sunday surgery, after listening it will either help you to feel better about your life / or reassess what things are really important!!!
Originally posted by chalicefc3
...If you have ever listened to Talk Sport...That's what I forgot to mention!
Yeah, I used to listen to that a lot. Tommy Boyd and his Human Zoo...
Originally posted by chalicefc3
BTW, seeing as you lot have regular net access, if you are bored with that show; try listening to Late Night Love which airs on many other regional stations. For our region though, you will have to listen on the internet. Its a good show and alongside the Radio 1 sunday surgery, after listening it will either help you to feel better about your life / or reassess what things are really important!!!
After listening to that rubbish, you'll be glad we've got Nick's phone-in on Hallam FM...
There's always Scottie McClue over on Magic AM :p
Well, I have the Hallam FM phone-in number listed as 'A' in my mobile's address book, so I can speed-dial it as soon as I need to :D!!!
Originally posted by chalicefc3
Come on guys and gals. The guy is only playing devil's advocate. You will find that it is a fresh format for the radio medium. If you have ever listened to Talk Sport - it has prided itself from day 1, by going 'against the grain'. How boring would radio be if the presenter only ever agreed with the views of the listener. I believe that some of the topics discussed on his show, tend to appeal to the 'tabloid' listener and fail to achieve a great deal of sense. But in saying that, while i recognise that he may **** people off, his being controversial will only promote Hallam FM. If it gets you talking about it, great promotion. You might even want to listen to his show now to realise how annoying he can be with listeners.
Don't take it seriously, i am sure the guy is sound and doesnt believe half the things that he says he does on the airwaves.
As stated in my original post, I know he's doing it purely to boost his listening figures. However, I think this is a short term fix as people will soon get bored of hearing this low form of entertainment.
Originally posted by Andy
There's always Scottie McClue over on Magic AM :p
:o :o :o
Seriously!
What times? everyday!?!
Scottie McClue is on Magic AM on Sunday - Thursday nights. The show starts at 10pm.
HallamFmFAN 16-11-2003, 18:37 You lot are talking a load of crap!!!! Nick At Night is brilliant. It's not Nick thats a stupid arrogent nob thats up his own rear it's you lot. If you lot had any brains and you actually LISTEN to what he's saying you'll find that he is making alot of sense. The night show has never been better since Nick took over it. He's brill Hallam Fm's brill. So stop complaining about it.
Love, HallamFmFan xxxxx
P.S Nick if you're reading this keep up the good work
:thumbsup: and ignore these tits cos they don't know what they're on about
LONG LIVE THE NICKLARSE!!!!!!!!!! :D
Local radio is complete nadgers these days after 6pm. Radio 5 is good after 10 most nights, so long as Dolon Abiayo (?) isn't talking about his huge black love-length!
Whatever happened to James H Reeve?
Originally posted by HallamFmFAN
You lot are talking a load of crap!!!! Nick At Night is brilliant. It's not Nick thats a stupid arrogent nob thats up his own rear it's you lot. If you lot had any brains and you actually LISTEN to what he's saying you'll find that he is making alot of sense. The night show has never been better since Nick took over it. He's brill Hallam Fm's brill. So stop complaining about it.
Love, HallamFmFan xxxxx
P.S Nick if you're reading this keep up the good work
:thumbsup: and ignore these tits cos they don't know what they're on about
LONG LIVE THE NICKLARSE!!!!!!!!!! :D
I don't care whether or not what he says makes sense, it was the fact that he didn't seem willing to let callers make their own opinions heard - he kept cutting calls short or shouting them down.
KateRatcliff 16-11-2003, 19:20 Well Hallam FM hasn't been the same at night since Phone Boy left to do the The Interactive Evening Show. At least with Phone Boy you could actually say a sentence without getting interuppted unlike Nick. I find Galaxy better at night now rather than Hallam FM. "The number one radio station":rolleyes:
Originally posted by t020
I don't care whether or not what he says makes sense, it was the fact that he didn't seem willing to let callers make their own opinions heard
Maybe that's because their opinions were clearly nonsence?
Nicholarse 16-11-2003, 19:24 Hello everyone.
It's nice to see so many people enjoy the show. ;)
I too enjoyed Diana Luke when she was on Hallam FM, but I haven't listened to her recently. Real Radio is a bit boring as far as my tastes go.
I notice most of the people who hate the show don't actually listen.
I never said YOU shouldn't wear a poppy. I said I was having second thoughts. To me they represent violence and the way that normal working people have been shafted in the past by a hypocritical repressive society. Wear a poppy if you want man, I decided to at the end of the show.
I try to give eveyone a go on air and off air. That's why I print both the hate mail and fan mail on the website. That's why we let any old moron on the show, regardless of whether they want to shout at me or agree with me or do something inbetween.
There's a lot of non-thinking posts here from people that have assumed I'm something I'm not.
I AM NOT DELIBERATELY CONTROVERSIAL.
I RARELY CUT PEOPLE OFF.
This is a new thing in the world of talk radio. Older readers will remember the short lived "shock-jocks" who would court controversey for no reason. I don't do that.
The ethic of the show is always the same: Take responsibility for yourself.
Simple as that really.
Big love.
NM
KateRatcliff 16-11-2003, 19:26 I stopped listening to Hallam FM when you took over the night show.
alchresearch 16-11-2003, 19:29 I stopped listening when they felt they had to add 'FM' to their name to be trendy.
Whatever happened to James Watt? He was funny.
Originally posted by Nicholarse
It's nice to see so many people enjoy the show. ;)There's a slow and steady fanbase growing in the Halls of Residence in Shef Uni. Not too many people have heard it, but they are around. They're out there. I've heard people chatting about it occasionally in the canteen at mornings, plus if I mention to someone that I was on/trying to get on Hallam FM a day or two ago and ask them if they listen to it, they may say yes, and chances are they'll comment on your show.
...I RARELY CUT PEOPLE OFF...Agreed. I haven't heard anyone being cut off by you yet. To be honest, I've only heard around twenty or so shows so far, but let's be honest - that's more than most people in the world.
I don't know if social etiquette allows me to still call you a tit, but I meant it in a nice way. I did :). (Sort of.) To be honest, I was reading down this thread and thought that HallamFmFAN may have been you at first...
Nicholarse 16-11-2003, 19:35 I stopped reading your posts when they bored me.
;)
NM
Nicholarse 16-11-2003, 19:37 PS - Moonolt, course you can call me a tit.
I (like everyone else) fit that description sometimes.
NM
Jack Yerbody 16-11-2003, 19:39 Dont listen to your show, but I am intrigued as to why you were having second thoughts about wearing a poppy. The money raised goes directly to those "poor working class" folk you mentioned (plus the rest of the social strata that were incapacitated by the war), so why not?
Just curious.
Nicholarse 16-11-2003, 19:56 They're a bit too militaristic for me. I'd already donated twice to the people who sell them, I just wasn't too keen on wearing one.
But as I said I decided to buy one in the end which I then wrote "love not war on" so no one misunderstood why I was wearing it.
In fact that was a really good show, with some great callers...
Talking of which here's the things I want to talk about on tonight's show:
Relationships...
More specifically cheating. If my girlfriend cheated on me I'd rather NEVER FIND OUT. So if she does, don't tell me... There's no such thing as an honest relationship, particularly when it's long distance. Cheating isn't a problem as long as the other person never finds out.
Brain scans...
A brain scan that can apparently root out racists has been developed by scientists. The technique was used on white volunteers shown photographs of black individuals. In those with racist tendencies, a surge of activity was seen in part of the brain that controls thoughts and behaviour.
Should we use this technology, perhaps when recruiting members of the Police? I think not. It's open for debate.
George Bush...
We're fast becoming the 51st state. The Tories think the death penalty should be re-introduced. An American President visits us, at our expense and calls our PM "Tony" all the time. I don't like him. DO you think we should finally cut our ties with the Yanks? I do.
--
That's roughly it.
I might change the last topic as it's been done to death a bit last week.
NM
Originally posted by alchresearch
I stopped listening when they felt they had to add 'FM' to their name to be trendy.
Whatever happened to James Watt? He was funny.
Yep, I enjoyed James Watt too. He was very popular and had many regular callers I seem to remember.
Nick if that really is you...... stop calling male callers 'love'. It sounds really awful. Please choose another term of endearment for the men.
Originally posted by HallamFmFAN
You lot are talking a load of crap!!!! Nick At Night is brilliant. It's not Nick thats a stupid arrogent nob thats up his own rear it's you lot. If you lot had any brains and you actually LISTEN to what he's saying you'll find that he is making alot of sense. The night show has never been better since Nick took over it. He's brill Hallam Fm's brill. So stop complaining about it.
Love, HallamFmFan xxxxx
P.S Nick if you're reading this keep up the good work
:thumbsup: and ignore these tits cos they don't know what they're on about
LONG LIVE THE NICKLARSE!!!!!!!!!! :D
Your statement does NOT represent the 'Truth' However I obviously accept it as 'Your' HUMBLE opinion! :P ;)
Nicholarse 16-11-2003, 20:48 I've always called people "luv".
Mate sounds too false to me.
See you all later. I'm off to do the show.
NM
You obviously need more experience with relationships if you think that there is no such thing as an honest relationship.
Has anyone suggested that sn electronic racist detector should be used in recruiting the Police?
Remember that the USA was the 1st English western colony. We set the ground rules. The difference is that we have over 2000 years of history to learn from. The USA is still a baby, and learning to walk in the culture of grown up nations.
I think that you will find that the Shadow Home Secretary mentioned that he was in favour, and Sunday has been filled with senior Tories disagreeing - from John Major down.
Why should Bush not refer to Tony as Tony? Unless you are confusing the two of us of course :D
There is NO reason to cut ties with the USA, unless you have xenophobic (racist?) reasons. Integration is is far better than isolation. Check out history - isolationism merely breeds extreme views.
In summary, you just seem to fall into a rather boring presenter routine that has been done loads of times before to greater and lesser degrees. There is better radio elsewhere to be honest, but not everyone likes to learn, so until your listeners get bored you will be in the chair. At least EMAP will keep you on the lookout in the job stakes eh?
Bugger.... you are on now ... talking about being patronising.
Thing is - your caller is asking about any anti Bush protests in Sheffield and you dont know!! Even I (and the BBC) know that there was one on Saturday.
Do your research before your show luv - it makes for a better presenter, and you dont look like the loony idiots that you're talking about.
HAHHAHAHHAHA! Fantastic, Tony!! Didn't listen to the show myself, never will again to be honest. The callers nearly all have IQs lower than Hallam FM's frequencies, and Nick is a patronising, rude and ignorant presenter that the listeners will soon tire of.
tinajones 16-11-2003, 23:08 i can't believe people don't find NM's show entertaining! i've started listening a couple of times a week and it always provides stuff to chat and laugh about at work the next day when theres been naff all as good as 'wife swap' on telly.
do you lot really think hes that bad? i reckon hes quite original and daring, especially for a local radio phone in host. some stuff he comes out with is quite tongue-in-cheek and he often takes an oppositional stance to up the ante of the discussions. and at least he took the anti-firework campaign seriously.
Mind you - give him some credit for opening his luvvy gob on here. He must not realise that sheffieldforum.co.uk is a much tougher place than a radio studio.
Still sounds like a div that hasn't done any research on his chosen subjescts before turning up for work. His average listener hardly provides a challange.
tinajones 16-11-2003, 23:34 Originally posted by Tony
Mind you - give him some credit for opening his luvvy gob on here. He must not realise that sheffieldforum.co.uk is a much tougher place than a radio studio.
Still sounds like a div that hasn't done any research on his chosen subjescts before turning up for work. His average listener hardly provides a challange.
i thought presenters usually had a team of producers/researchers behind them? i guess hallam FM is a smaller venture. to be fair he juggles his job well - i doubt theres more than him, a switchboard operator and a security person in the building at that time. i reckon his knowledge is broader than most local presenters and at least he is quick witted and intelliegent with anything hes read up apon that day.
You will be right about him being alone at this time of night apart from a producer answering the phones. I still don't think that there is any excuse for not reading the papers on Sunday if you're presenting a topical phone in. BTW Hallam FM is owned by EMAP - a huuuuge media co.
Nicholarse 17-11-2003, 00:09 I don't understand your criticisms Tony.
The caller was asking about any future protests, do I know of any? No I don't.
Do you? If you did you should have called in.
It's far less tough on here than in a radio studio. You don't get death threats, genuine hatred, nutter stalkers etc.
Just one bloke called Tony who's upset about, um, I'm not sure to be honest.
NM
Nicholarse 17-11-2003, 00:11 Originally posted by tinajones
it always provides stuff to chat and laugh about at work the next day when theres been naff all as good as 'wife swap' on telly.
Tina, that's the best summary of the show I could ever have hoped for.
It's not supposed to be life or death serious... unlike Tony.
NM
SheffieLAD 17-11-2003, 00:21 I think Nick Margerrison is fresh and original, sometimes, I think he's goes too far, often ramming things down callers throats which is usually provoked, but sometimes, unprovoked and I'm left wondering if he said/did the right thing. But even that is entertaining...
It's great to listen to someone, who doesn't tip toe around his callers/listeners, being 100% careful not to upset one single fan, in fear of losing callers/listeners.
I don't understand why so many people are frustrated with Nick, like TV, you wouldn't waste 30mins of your life watching some rubbish program that doesn't interest you when Eastenders is over on the other channel (Bad example?).
I'm tired of scripted entertainment, and Nick Margerrison brings us interesting things to talk about the next day, aswell as the wonderful people who phone his show !
He says what he believes while even risking his show to be taken off in the near(?) future. I know many night chat shows on Radio never last, due to a large number of complaints the listeners send to the station, which generally means some people simply have nothing else better to do.
I hope Nick at Night lasts, because he both angers(Which often sparks interesting conversations), and entertains people, he puts across great points, often laying down a new look on things, you either love him or hate him.
Imagine how boring Nick would be, if he agreed with everybody, and never puts his own views across(Although sometimes forcefully) or in such ways that it makes you stop and think, which in turn creates a mixed response, and that is how interesting shows are made...
I do see his bad points, but I also see his great points, and that's why I like him :)
That's enough of me ranting, you just shouldn't take it all to heart.
Originally posted by Nicholarse
I don't understand your criticisms Tony.
The caller was asking about any future protests, do I know of any? No I don't.
Do you? If you did you should have called in.
It's far less tough on here than in a radio studio. You don't get death threats, genuine hatred, nutter stalkers etc.
Just one bloke called Tony who's upset about, um, I'm not sure to be honest.
NM
Hehe, I'm not upset Luv. I do think that you should make the effort to research your topics for the evenings show properly. Have you considered that it would actually help you?
This place may not be tougher at the instant, but right here is where your words can be viewed in more depth and can come back to bite or praise. You joined in here, I don't want to ring your show. The right to debate is equal around here, and there are few nutters or stalkers, but there are lots of infomed and articulate people.
Welcome to sheffieldforum Nick. :D
To be a little more positive, he is far better than Scotty Mclueless. A long way to go to beat Rhod Sharp tho. :thumbsup:
Listened to the show the whole way through last night. I had a load of Dutch coursework to do and it was on in the 'background'.
My views...
Bush's main aim is ultimately to win him and his party more votes at the next election. That's only natural. Whatever he feels the American people need more of, he'll give. I'm not a fan of people who have something against Bush himself, or who admire him - he's just doing his job. What his family are like and what they have done is irrelevant. And if you've never spent time with the guy, then you're only disliking him because of what you've heard about him. You're blindly going along with other peoples' views, in my opinion. Hate is something you should only decide yourself.
America, the freeest country? !!! No way. A country's 'free' when there's nothing to hold back the citizens from doing what they want. In other words, when there is no-one to effectively enforce the law, or where there is no law itself. In other words, IRAQ was the freeest nation for a couple of days after Saddam's regime collapsed. That's what a free nation is like.
Quite what the first pro-Bush caller's obsession with invading Japan and China was about I have no idea. And I'm sure that guy at the end was David, or whoever it was meant to be - I get the feeling you suspected that too. You should have asked him about rifles and see how long he talked afterwards, that would have let you know who he was!
Oh, and cheers for the mention at the end of the show :D...
Just a quick post to confirm that user "Nicholarse" is indeed Nick Margerrison.
:thumbsup:
tinajones 17-11-2003, 11:03 Mr Margerrison bigged up the forum last night at the end of his show. maybe we'll get some new users!
Probably new users who capital letters a lot :D
Originally posted by Nicholarse
It's far less tough on here than in a radio studio. You don't get death threats, genuine hatred, nutter stalkers etc.
You'd be surprised! :lol:
Nicholarse 18-11-2003, 19:41 PS - If you think of anything we should cover on the talkshow post it up here and we'll consider putting it in the mix.
NM
Originally posted by Nicholarse
PS - If you think of anything we should cover on the talkshow post it up here and we'll consider putting it in the mix.
NM
OK - how long until you leave Hallam FM? I'd like the radio on in the background but not while you're still on...
367squadron 18-11-2003, 20:01 367 squadron think ure crap too. U neva let callers have their opinon if they disagree with u!!!!!!
Originally posted by 367squadron
367 squadron think ure crap too. U neva let callers have their opinon if they disagree with u!!!!!!
I agree. The shows a good idea in theory, and the way you speak your own mind (allegedly) is also good as it provokes callers. What I can't stand however is when you shout over callers until they agree with you - let them have their say, accept their opinion, and then move on to the next caller. Also, give less airtime to the, shall we say, less articulate callers that ring in - let them make their opinion heard but don't bother wasting airtime trying to debate with people who have lower IQs than Hallam FM's FM frequency.
How dare you call men "luv"? Are you some kind of homo sapien? If you want hassle about "dumbing down", talk to me......
My life's full of it.
Heyup Nick.
Love
Toby
Luv
Blimey! It's full of luvvies in here. Anyone fancy running for Guv'nor?
Nicholarse 19-11-2003, 01:01 Well ... thanks for your help anyway.
NM
One thing I have noticed recently is that the show's got a lot better regarding Nick drowning everyone else out. The callers now have their views better regarded, and few people seem to phone in nowadays to complain about Nick not giving callers a fair 'crack of the whip'...
I've got a topic. With Christmas approaching, are we spoiling our children too much?
HallamFmFAN 19-11-2003, 16:10 :mad: [..edited..] so what if calls people love. Lots of people say it both men and woman to people of the same sex as them. Oh and Nick does let people have there say. I bet half of you don't actually listen to whats been said and get the wrong end of the stick like some of his callers sometimes do. And if you don't like what he says its tough, he did say at the very start of the show when he started doing it that he wasn't gonna pussy foot around and was gonna be totally honest about his opinions on the issues.....so you were warned.....
Put it this way.....would you listen to a show where the DJ agrees with everything his or her callers said, never said anything cos they thought listeners wouldnt like it......er no i don't think you would cos it'd be crap and boring. The fact that Nick doesn't do this makes the show great and interesting .... also in my opionion i think Nick talks alot of sense but you lot are too thick to realise it. All you lot can say is 'well he dont let people say there opinon' well thats bull crap he does. I wish you'd all stop being such an ass and give the man some credit. Cos it takes guts to be able to just say what you really think on the radio and not bother pussy footing around things cos people might not like it. S**t happens and life aint a bed of roses so get over it.
Love, HallamFmFan xxxxxxxxx
P.S Nick keep up the good work. :clap:
(Edited by geoff - refrian from personal insults)
PaulTansley 19-11-2003, 16:52 Originally posted by t020
I agree. The shows a good idea in theory, and the way you speak your own mind (allegedly) is also good as it provokes callers. What I can't stand however is when you shout over callers until they agree with you - let them have their say, accept their opinion, and then move on to the next caller. Also, give less airtime to the, shall we say, less articulate callers that ring in - let them make their opinion heard but don't bother wasting airtime trying to debate with people who have lower IQs than Hallam FM's FM frequency. So just because some callers are not as interlectual as others they can't be given equal airtime.
They have every right for the same air time as they have taken time to listen to all the other callers opinions whatever they are and taken time to phone and contribute to the show as have the rest of them.
Next you will be saying give less air time to black callers than white, that is no different to your bias opinion.
JAMES WHALE
These shows are nothing new, James Whale was doing the same thing on Radio Aire twenty years ago and he two could be abrubt.
The best thing is to take it as a form of entertainment when he cuts you off, i,m sure he does not mean it personally as he does not know you and i,m sure he really is a good guy off the air, he has to be or someone will lay him out if he spoke like that in person.
Originally posted by The Cycleracer
So just because some callers are not as interlectual as others they can't be given equal airtime.
They have every right for the same air time as they have taken time to listen to all the other callers opinions whatever they are and taken time to phone and contribute to the show as have the rest of them.
Next you will be saying give less air time to black callers than white, that is no different to your bias opinion.
JAMES WHALE
These shows are nothing new, James Whale was doing the same thing on Radio Aire twenty years ago and he two could be abrubt.
The best thing is to take it as a form of entertainment when he cuts you off, i,m sure he does not mean it personally as he does not know you and i,m sure he really is a good guy off the air, he has to be or someone will lay him out if he spoke like that in person.
People with lower intellects cannot hold a debate. I stated that they should be allowed to make their opinions heard, but it is not worth Nick trying to debate with people who are quite clearly thick.
Hmm. I'm not listening to the show at the moment, I've got a German essay that's more important (but not as important as posting here I guess :D) but I'm afraid I definitely heard Nick cut someone off then, I think it was the first caller. Oh well. About todays topics... well, I'm not too sure about the pregnancy exams thing, I wasn't when it was brought up a couple of weeks ago. The reason is this:
If someone failed their GCSEs and were denied the right to have kids, but then re-sat the exams, passed the second time and were then given the right, what has changed in the person? Not much. All that's different is that now they can count to 10, or know the French for "Hello". They may even have just got lucky. Their parenting skills are unaffected, they're still going to be as crap at bringing up kids as they were 6 months before when they failed their exams first time round!
I may have to phone in one of these days, I'm busy tonight though...
One of our chatroom users was on the show tonight!
Originally posted by Sidla
One of our chatroom users was on the show tonight! ...at least one ;)...
Yeah Phan is on now, trying to ask Nick some GCSE questions, so tune in to Hallam FM now... :D
First question: The order of the planets (Nick got it right)
Second question: Probability question about burnt food, I have no idea what it was or the answer(!) but neither did Nick, so that's ok :P
Third question: 3 ways of detecting radioactivity - Nick didn't get it, although I expect most people wouldn't.
Good stuff!
thats one out of 3 (as the mark scheme says, all 3 right on the last one for a mark) which isnt half as nick said (its a third)
how do you explain that :lol:
Yeah, and he blatently googled the first one.
Nicholarse 20-11-2003, 00:13 Hey I got the geiger counter thing! For radioactivity or whatever. He was a good call the guy who put me to the test.
And I should have got extra marks for my answer about the tenth planet... no googling involved, whatever that means?
NM
They were suggesting that you were using the Google search engine to find the answers while you were talking. Did you get the 3rd one? I wasn't sure... :D
KateRatcliff 20-11-2003, 00:20 How is the Show Nick? I havent been able to listen tonight had to catch up with long lost sister!
Not meaning to speak on Nick's behalf, but the show was pretty good tonight. Quite a few users from the forum were in the chat room and basically discussed the show the entire time. Was a far more interesting way to listen to the radio, as it allows you to discuss callers, topics etc as they happen.
Might become a regular event... ;)
KateRatcliff 20-11-2003, 00:23 I knew I should have listened lol
Try coming to the forum chat room (it's here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/chat.php?s=)) tomorrow night (around 9.30/10pm) and I'm sure there will be quite a few people who are chatting about his show.
KateRatcliff 20-11-2003, 00:26 I will just have to do that and listen to Hallam on the Internet as well
Nicholarse 20-11-2003, 00:43 I think you're right Geoff, it was a good show tonight. They vary in quality from night to night as our seasoned listeners would tell you.
I'm quite keen to encourage a few regular callers actually so if anyone who reads this wants to make themselves a regular caller make sure you mention it to Adam when you call.
One of the problems at the moment is there so many different callers it's hard to know which ones are good and which are rubbish.
PS - Regular callers don't have to like me... you can have a go on the show. It's open forum baby.
KateRatcliff 20-11-2003, 00:46 I would phone up but I'm not that good on the phone
Nicholarse 20-11-2003, 01:34 Rubbish! Everyone's good on the phone these days. Unless you can't for specific reasons, then you can always email me! There's a few people who actually can't talk, we don't mind them emailing in.
NM
HallamFmFAN 20-11-2003, 08:10 :D I rang in the other week to agree with you (Nick) about children and they shouldn't have T.V's (idiot boxes) in their room. Also my boyfriend rang up last night about the teenage pregnancy thing. Last nights show was good...but then every show is. Hehehehe! the one that i always remember is when Adam went out of the Hallam building to see where the sercurity guard was and nearly got attacked by a dog. Awww poor Adam :)
Love, HallamFmFAN xxxx :banana:
tinajones 20-11-2003, 17:14 Originally posted by Geoff
Not meaning to speak on Nick's behalf, but the show was pretty good tonight. Quite a few users from the forum were in the chat room and basically discussed the show the entire time. Was a far more interesting way to listen to the radio, as it allows you to discuss callers, topics etc as they happen.
Might become a regular event... ;)
Yeah it was a multimedia, cross-platform extravaganza last night! Phan was even typing stuff on the chat room as he was listening to Nickolarse.
We could do it twice a day - by attending the chat room while Toby is on Radio Sheffield too, but we'd all end up getting the sack from work! Anyway I saw Toby's mug shot in the Guardian Guide a few weeks ago so he probably doesn't reqiuire our pansy arse fandom!
No offence to nick, but Toby is *the* best radio presenter in South Yorkshire (and the north midlands :lol: ) if not the north , or even the whole UK!
tinajones 20-11-2003, 17:28 Originally posted by RPG
No offence to nick, but Toby is *the* best radio presenter in South Yorkshire (and the north midlands :lol: ) if not the north , or even the whole UK!
true, but their shows are very different, what with their formats.
Nicholarse 20-11-2003, 19:57 Same applies tonight, any topics, post them here as soon as possible.
NM
You could always get Adam to join the chat room ;)
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/chat.php
Topics... hmm. Should Michael Jackson be pulled from the charts/radio if proven guilty? I would be interested in hearing your (and your listeners) views on that.
- Boy racers who spend so much money 'pumping up' that Vauxhall Nova that they may as well have bought a decent car in the first place.
- Wind turbines spoling the countryside near Hathersage - shouldn't go ahead and should be put somewhere less scenic but still on high-ish ground.
Phanerothyme 20-11-2003, 20:17 Should Radio DJs have a 'degree in changing the subject' before being allowed on air?
:)
Should the admissions standards for the 'University of life (OMG!)' be raised to stop thickos getting in?
:)
Or more seriously:
What good is the right to demonstrate, if it is not exercised?
Is there such a thing as a good war?
Is there such a thing as a bad peace?
tinajones 25-11-2003, 00:17 NM you sound very poorly. I would email the show but quite frankly I would loose some of my stars on my sheffield forum badge by diversifying my internet usage.
Anyway, as I wasn't too impressed with your Mr Nice interview with Howard Marx on Sunday. Nor was I pleased with the blatent irony in the choice of the 1am song this morning - Nelly's 'Hot in Here'. Its blimming FREEZING!
So.... to get to the point, I am going to let you into Tina's Cold Remedy secret that has been passed down the Jonesey ones for many months:
Tinajones' Tea pour le Colds
Boiling hot water (obviously)
a piece of fresh root ginger (put thru a garlic press)
cayenne pepper (not too much, you want to be able to drink the whole mug of tea)
lemon juice
honey
clove of garlic (optional. i prefer to use it in my dinner instead, suppose it depends if you are hungry.)
stir it all up and leave to erm, brew for a few mins. drink away.
hope it works. does for me. much better than that lemsip rubbish.
Nicholarse 25-11-2003, 01:17 I'll try that. Well the honey bit.
Yeah, I'm ill, the Howard Marks interview WAS rubbish, my fault, I'm ill.
I'll be better tomorrow.
Promise.
NM
Originally posted by tinajones
Tinajones' Tea pour le Colds
Boiling hot water (obviously)
a piece of fresh root ginger (put thru a garlic press)
cayenne pepper (not too much, you want to be able to drink the whole mug of tea)
lemon juice
honey
clove of garlic (optional. i prefer to use it in my dinner instead, suppose it depends if you are hungry.)
stir it all up and leave to erm, brew for a few mins. drink away.
hope it works. does for me. much better than that lemsip rubbish.
You appear to have forgotton the large measure of whisky!
:P
Nomme
Nicholarse 04-12-2003, 00:30 I'm wondering what subjects the forum can throw up for us...
Go for it... what should I fill the programme with?
I've got one...
At what age should we be teaching foreign languages at primary schools?
Totally agree with you, Nick, RE: accents. Being brought up in Ecclesall, I am fortunate enough to have not inherited a Yorkshire accent or any accent at all really. Even if I had an accent though, I'd take elocution lessons in order to speak properly as local accents give the impression of being poorly educated, working class, common, and lacking in intelligence.
You'd have a great time in Glasgow ;)
Originally posted by t020
Totally agree with you, Nick, RE: accents. Being brought up in Ecclesall, I am fortunate enough to have not inherited a Yorkshire accent or any accent at all really. Even if I had an accent though, I'd take elocution lessons in order to speak properly as local accents give the impression of being poorly educated, working class, common, and lacking in intelligence.
Don't be so stupid. From personal experience (and it's pretty good experience) this has never been the case with anybody that has any intelligence or education. I do know a few people that have rather plummy accents picked up at exclusive schools that frankly wouldn't wake up in the morning if they had to work it out for themselves.
You really should get out and meet a few people.
Hear hear! :)
Since when did an accent dictate a person's education, class (utter b*llocks anyway) or intelligence. My natural accent is quite neutral and I'm one of those people whose accent varies slightly depending on where I am and who I'm with. It's altered over the years from Birmingham to Sheffield to Canadian to Bristolian and back to Sheffield since I've moved around a bit over the last few years. Crazeh!
I think a good strong accent adds character anyway. It'd be so boring if we all sounded the same. :)
Greenback 19-12-2003, 10:12 Totally agree with you, Nick, RE: accents. Being brought up in Ecclesall, I am fortunate enough to have not inherited a Yorkshire accent or any accent at all really. Even if I had an accent though, I'd take elocution lessons in order to speak properly as local accents give the impression of being poorly educated, working class, common, and lacking in intelligence.
What an idiotic comment. If you had received the level of education you aspire to, you'd know that everybody speaks with an accent - it's just that class snobs such as yourself erroneously believe that certain "accents" are somehow superior to others. It's only through historical accident that the South-East dialect is linked with power and prestige - what we now know as "The Queen's English" could just as easily be Scouse.
So, that's one outdated myth exploded - got any more lurking in the dark recesses of that small mind? Craniology? Alchemy? Flat Earth theory?
We're here to help!
Jack Yerbody 19-12-2003, 10:42 Indeed, for many broadcasters a regional accent is now preferable to the (frankly irritating) received pronounciation of old.
Phanerothyme 19-12-2003, 12:33 Originally posted by Greenback
So, that's one outdated myth exploded - got any more lurking in the dark recesses of that small mind? Craniology? Alchemy? Flat Earth theory?
We're here to help!
I think you'll find t020's phrenologist has told him not to be seduced by quackery.
Look at it this way.
About patriotism. Nick quite rightly argued the night before last that there is no point to it. However... ...he campaigned for Sam Nixon to win Pop Idol under the main selling point that "he's from Barnsley". So saying that he "has never been patriotic and never will be" would be false, apart from the two facts that... ...firstly, the campaign was a station-wide one and he was only promoting the station's policies, as is his job... ...and secondly, South Yorkshire and the North Midlands is (sorry, but let's face it!) not usually regarded as a microcosm of the United Kingdom. Although I hate to say it, that would undeniably be London. So to support someone because they're from Barnsley, he's not actually showing patriotism, because nothing national is being stood for. Yes, patriotism applies to local areas as well, but it's mainly a national concept, and if Nick was being patriotic then there'd be no reason why he shouldn't support Michelle or Mark instead, they're all from the UK. So Nick gets let off the hook on that one. However...
to claim that the "Queen's English" is the proper way of speaking shows immense patriotism. The only two things that Received Pronounciation (RP) has been seen as 'standard' for were promoting national pride, and broadcasting. Nowadays, broadcasting is moving away from the use of RP, as Jack Yerbody has already pointed out. This means that... ...Nick is arguing the point out of patriotism. By saying that RP indicates intelligence, his non-spoken part of the argument is that non-intelligent people should make themselves look intelligent by using RP to blend into English society, and hide the unintelligence under the carpet. This is backed up by his strong anti-thick discriminating stances in his recent debates on abortion, exams for pregnancy etc. By making RP universal... ...he wants English society to hide their thickness behind their language, under the idea that for society to work better, it needs to be more English - in other words, the English way is the best way. Patriotism. Back to the first point, and... ...if Nick despises patriotism, which he rightly does, then his accents argument has no basis whatsoever.
Think of it this way...
Even if accents are a sign of intelligence, then surely that would be a useful tool? Nick would certainly benefit from accents if they were signs of intelligence - he'd instantly be able to tell a 'quality' caller from a 'thick' one...
Originally posted by Greenback
What an idiotic comment. If you had received the level of education you aspire to, you'd know that everybody speaks with an accent - it's just that class snobs such as yourself erroneously believe that certain "accents" are somehow superior to others. It's only through historical accident that the South-East dialect is linked with power and prestige - what we now know as "The Queen's English" could just as easily be Scouse.
So, that's one outdated myth exploded - got any more lurking in the dark recesses of that small mind? Craniology? Alchemy? Flat Earth theory?
We're here to help!
My "comment" was simply in agreement with what Nick was saying. This is my opinion , I wasn't expecting you to like it or approve of it, and it certainly can't be changed. Local accents, IN MY OPINION, sound awful.... its as simple as that really.
Accents are something to be proud of, it shows where you were born or raised!
Look at Colin Pillenger, he's one of the most important people in British Science, but hes got an accent so that instantly makes him thick does it?
Get over yourself t020, honestly people these days! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by RPG
Look at Colin Pillenger, he's one of the most important people in British Science, but hes got an accent so that instantly makes him thick does it?
No, but it could make him appear more thick to people just meeting him for the first time. Books and their covers and all......
Originally posted by t020
My "comment" was simply in agreement with what Nick was saying. This is my opinion , I wasn't expecting you to like it or approve of it, and it certainly can't be changed. Local accents, IN MY OPINION, sound awful.... its as simple as that really.
You're gonna have a tough life T020.
Originally posted by Tony
You're gonna have a tough life T020.
Why is that, oh wise one?
Your argument gives the impression that you are predjudiced against people with local accents. Do any of your friends speak with a local accent?
Originally posted by t020
Why is that, oh wise one?
Hehe. You are continually providing answers to your own observations and questions, but surely someone as intelligent as you would realise that without having to have it pointed out?
Nicholarse 21-12-2003, 19:05 It would be nice if people could learn to speak properly though wouldn't it?
;)
NM
Originally posted by Nicholarse
It would be nice if people could learn to speak properly though wouldn't it?
;)
NM
There is a world of difference between correct, intelligible and coherent use of language and accent isn't there though? :P
Greenback 21-12-2003, 19:58 This is my opinion , I wasn't expecting you to like it or approve of it, and it certainly can't be changed. Local accents, IN MY OPINION, sound awful.... its as simple as that really.
Er, you posted your OPINION on an internet message board! This means they are up for discussion, surely? Your OPINIONS on this issue seem to be based purely on silly class-based prejudice - but if you'd like to discuss them in more depth, go ahead!
Again, you've used the blanket term "local accents" which suggests you don't know what you're talking about.
*Twinkle* 21-12-2003, 20:15 I'm studying English language and we're currently looking at accents and dialects of the british isles....
First of all, when analysing a transcript, we wrote that the speaker was "wrong" for "g-dropping" and other such dialect features, but we were told that we were wrong for saying such things, as the speaker was simply using a deviant form of standard english, derived from their local community.
so there :P
(Its much easier to say they are wrong though, isnt it?!)
I wish the Nicholarse would come back here. I was simply agreeing with him on his radio show. Do I like regional dialect or accents? No, not really. Will you be able to convince me otherwise? No.
Greenback 21-12-2003, 21:24 I wish the Nicholarse would come back here. I was simply agreeing with him on his radio show. Do I like regional dialect or accents? No, not really. Will you be able to convince me otherwise? No
Do you actually read what people post? There is NO SUCH THING as a specifically non-regional dialect/accent.
Let me spell it out: Everyone speaks in a regional accent. Everyone uses certain dialectal variations. There are no exceptions.
So, which particular regional accents or dialects do you not like?
Originally posted by Greenback
Do you actually read what people post? There is NO SUCH THING as a specifically non-regional dialect/accent.
Let me spell it out: Everyone speaks in a regional accent. Everyone uses certain dialectal variations. There are no exceptions.
So, which particular regional accents or dialects do you not like?
Anything that's too "strong" or "broad", but in particular:
Scouse
Geordie
Yorkshire
Brummy
Scottish
Can you imagine going to any of these places and not hearing the accent known to the area? How would you know what part of the country you were in? Not sure if you've been around much but the general signposting in the UK is a bit poo.
Alot of foreigners who come to this country find it amazing that we have so many regional accents in such a small country and I personally think it's great that there are so many different ones.
In your 'perfect world' (god forbid) what would be your ideal accent/dialect? Don't be shy. :)
Greenback 21-12-2003, 21:48 With you on the Brummie thing, but Scottish? Give me that over the likes of Brian Sewell's horrific intonations any day! :)
But seriously, if everyone spoke in the same way imagine how boring it would be. I tell thee!
Originally posted by Pauly-Plumba
It'd be so boring if we all sounded the same. :)
:D
Nicholarse 22-12-2003, 00:19 Originally posted by Greenback
But seriously, if everyone spoke in the same way imagine how boring it would be.
Nah, I wouldn't find it boring.
Understanding everyone would be far from boring.
NM
Phanerothyme 22-12-2003, 02:19 Originally posted by Nicholarse
Nah, I wouldn't find it boring.
Understanding everyone would be far from boring.
NM
Uniformity is only desireable from a pragmatic viewpoint.
The sheer diversity of the English Language, as a direct consequence of its fast and loose rules of syntax and grammar, is what makes it the world conquering language it is today.
Standard English is not a language - it is a subset of a language, like Höchdeutsch (sp?). A tool used for education and business.
The English Language is a living thing in a very real sense (as are all other languages).
The substance of the language, what it actually is, resides in the minds of the people who speak it. A gestalt (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gestalt) object that changes as constantly as the individuals that compose it.
All lexicographers can do is chart its progress, and all writers can do with their fiction and text books, is to freeze the language onto the unchanging page
Originally posted by t020
I wish the Nicholarse would come back here. I was simply agreeing with him on his radio show. Do I like regional dialect or accents? No, not really. Will you be able to convince me otherwise? No.
You may think that you don't, but its more than likely that in many situations you will be correctly identified as being from Yorkshire or even Sheffield - simply from how you speak. It's VERY difficult not to use colloquialisms and dialect. You just don't know that you're doing it because you have a more rounded speech pattern that in your opinion is more sophisticated and less regional than your peers'. It's not the case though.
Nicholarse 22-12-2003, 14:22 Blimey Phanerothormone that's a long and rather pompous answer.
It's also wrong.
Language is not some random development which we "track". It is a system which complies with a universally recognised set of rules.
It only changes and develops as a result of morons who cannot communicate properly. This situation is made worse by people who then champion these changes as some sort of exciting cultural development.
Oohh, "Luvverly Jubberly" is in the dictionary! How jolly and working class. Aren't the establishment hip?
The point here is that many people are proud of the fact that they sound like idiots. They launch their mouths into an onslaught of crass sounding slang, thick with a horrible accent and then expect me to treat them as an intelligent individual?
Accents do make a difference. The less of one you have, the less you will be judged a fool.
I'm right on this one luv.
NM
JamesRich 22-12-2003, 14:34 Just like your name says, you sound right up your own a**e!!
Greenback 22-12-2003, 14:38 Accents do make a difference. The less of one you have, the less you will be judged a fool.
It's already been established that everyone speaks with an accent.
Nicholarse 22-12-2003, 18:29 You're not paying attention Greenhead.
Some people have more of an accent than others. Accents sound awful and are a sign of a badly educated person.
The point me and t020 are trying to explain to you is that if you have a strong accent you sound less educated and well brought up than those of us who can be bothered to try and pronounce things correctly.
NM
Originally posted by Nicholarse
The point me and t020 are trying to explain to you is that if you have a strong accent you sound less educated and well brought up than those of us who can be bothered to try and pronounce things correctly.
NM
Yeah. Stephen Hawking was saying just the same the other day.
Nomme
HallamFmFAN 22-12-2003, 20:40 I'm sorry guys, but I have to agree with Nick on this accent thing. I do think that people with strong accents that use alot of slang to me come across as thicko's. Even though i do have a Barnsley accent myself I do try to control my accent, because to be honest i hate it. I think it sounds common and makes you sound thick. I know someone who has a strong Barnsley accent and to anyone that doesn't know her she sounds like an idiot.
Love, HallamFmFAN xxxxxxxxxx :banana:
Greenback 22-12-2003, 21:42 You're not paying attention Greenhead.
Some people have more of an accent than others. Accents sound awful and are a sign of a badly educated person.
No, I think YOU haven't understood, Mr Local Radio DJ. The point is, EVERYONE speaks in an accent, be it RP, Brummie, South Yorkshire or whatever.
Your second point is absolute garbage. There is no correlation between a person's intonation and his or her intelligence. This is such an obvious point it's not worth debating.
The point me and t020 are trying to explain to you is that if you have a strong accent you sound less educated and well brought up than those of us who can be bothered to try and pronounce things correctly.
I presume you mean strong "Non-RP accent" in the last paragraph.
If you're going to debate a point, especially about language for goodness' sake, try and make sure of your terminology first!
Originally posted by Nicholarse
You're not paying attention Greenhead.
Some people have more of an accent than others. Accents sound awful and are a sign of a badly educated person.
The point me and t020 are trying to explain to you is that if you have a strong accent you sound less educated and well brought up than those of us who can be bothered to try and pronounce things correctly.
NM
Utter rubbish! What your comment demonstrates is that you have never been in an environment where your ability matters rather than your accent. I can see how a naïve teenager from Ecclesall and a local radio DJ might think that vocal intonation and accent matter, but out here in the real world where people get things done at all levels, it becomes increasingly irrelevant.
Come and try hard headed business where folk care about what you can do – not how you talk. The “posh” accents soon get rumbled by those that are really intelligent.
I think what the likes of Nick, HallamFmFAN and t020 are saying is that when a person speaks with a broad local accent, that person is judged to be less intelligent than others. They're not saying they are less intelligent; just that they appear to be, what with first impressions counting and all that.
And I have to agree with them. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, I'm just saying that's how it is. Perhaps that shows how judgemental, shallow and prejudicial people are, I don't know.
Now, fellow Sheffielders, what I don't understand is why Hallam FM are so passionately concerned about this. I thought Hallam FM only appealed to thick inbred culturally-deficient local retards; the kind they now appear to despise so much?
(apologies if I've missed the point - I can't be bothered to read through nine pages of bitchy comments)
Doesn't the overwhelming number of people disagreeing rather effectively dispute their assertion then Abdul?
Perhaps, but then maybe I'm just judgemental, shallow and prejudicial.
Thanks mate :(
I wish you a miserable Christmas too ;)
What can I say??? Bah Humbug :D :thumbsup:
I think you should give the guy a break! Ok sometimes it can be annoying when he cuts people off but sometimes him and his show comes out with some good stuff.
Abby, you're right - I never said people with stronger regional accents ARE thicker - merely that they come across as being less intelligent. At a job interview for example, as well as appearance, the sound of your voice, despite it usually being of no relevance to the job, will have an immediate impact on the interviewer as judgements will instantly be made. Whether this is right or wrong is not the issue; Nick and myself are simply recognising the fact that it does happen.
On a personal note, I don't find strong local accents very endearing - but thats just my personal opinion.
Jack Yerbody 24-12-2003, 09:20 The only people who make assumptions on intelligence based on one's accent are idiotic.
I'm not saying that you can't PREFER one accent to another - we all have accents like we like, that we find sexy, that we dislike... But to imagine some correlation between intellect and a regional dialect is fancifulin the extreme, and serves only to reinforce your own pretentions.
Tony Ruscoe 24-12-2003, 09:36 Originally posted by Jack Yerbody
The only people who make assumptions on intelligence based on one's accent are idiotic.
[snip]
But to imagine some correlation between intellect and a regional dialect is fancifulin the extreme, and serves only to reinforce your own pretentions.
(WOW! This thread has gone way off topic, but here we go...)
I disagree!
Since many people in society (and I'm not saying whether I'm one of them or not) do believe that there is some correlation between accents and intelligence, most "intelligent" people recognise this and therefore use "upward convergence" when talking to people in job interviews or other situations where their accent may affect how they are received (and this includes the phenomenon known as the "telephone voice")!
In my opinion, anyone who doesn't do this is ignorant to the situation - and I would say the majority of us do this without even being aware of it!
BTW, I'm not talking about whether you have a northern accent, southern accent, yorkshire accent, scouse accent or other fairly generic accent - I'm talking about more specific accents that sound "rougher". (Believe me, if I could think of a better way to have put it, I would've done - but I couldn't!)
The fact is that society has conditioned us to judge people based on their accent just as it has conditioned us to judge people on their looks. Not everyone thinks like this, but I would definitely say that the majority of the population do.
Edit:
Just has another thought: Surely it's what you actually say that makes people judge you much more than how you say it!?
tinajones 25-12-2003, 21:14 I think people are confusing 'accent' with 'slang' - the latter being seen as informal.
And what about the reversal? For example 'Tim: nice but dim' from The Fast Show?
Interesting topic (that at this time hasn't been covered tonight) for the night there Nick.
Criminals should have parts of their brains removed or destroyed? Did you agree with it to be controversial or do you actually think this?
Nicholarse 04-01-2004, 19:01 Yeah there was a letter in The Star about it. Interesting. No one seemed to have any thoughts about it. I don't think it's particularly controversial. Neither did anyone on the show.
NM
Its a tad over the top methinks.
Nicholarse 04-01-2004, 19:32 Well I worked in a mental hospital when I was younger and there was a patient there who'd had simmilar treatment. He'd had a leucotomy and was very passive.
NM
Leucotomy - A surgical procedure that severs an area near the corpus callosum to relieve obsessive-compulsive disorder.
****
Fair enough, but can you imagine the uproar from Human Rights etc on this?
Originally posted by Nicholarse
Well I worked in a mental hospital when I was younger and there was a patient there who'd had simmilar treatment. He'd had a leucotomy and was very passive.
NM
Yeah, and look where he was! A mental hospital, Its like chopping off a theives hands but worse.
You can come back from a life of crime and become a well rounded citizen, perminant brain "damage" on the other hand you cant.
Nicholarse 04-01-2004, 20:07 Perhaps we should try rolling out that subject again sometime.
NM
Originally posted by RPG
Its like chopping off a theives hands but worse.
What's wrong with chopping a thief's hand off?
There's a topic for debate nick.
because its a travisty to people whove lost their hands in accidents
How on earth do you manage to connect the two? :loopy:
Nicholarse 05-01-2004, 20:12 Cutting people's hands off would make other people who'd lost their hands for a legitimate reason look like criminals...
NM
Originally posted by Nicholarse
Cutting people's hands off would make other people who'd lost their hands for a legitimate reason look like criminals...
NM
True - what about SCUM tattooed across the forehead though?
Nicholarse 05-01-2004, 20:25 Sounds like a better idea.
NM
Originally posted by Nicholarse
Cutting people's hands off would make other people who'd lost their hands for a legitimate reason look like criminals...
NM
Ah, so what you are trying to acheive is to identify someone as a scrote? Is that right?
HallamFmFAN 06-01-2004, 08:17 Well I think it would be a good idea to make people who are scum easy to identify. I'd like to know who they were so i could avoid them. Infact I think they should hurry up and get those identification cards that they're on about bringing in that you have to carry every where with you. Just so that police know who the sum ar so they can keep an eye on them and reduce crime. There'll proberbly be some of you that'll say "no I don't want to carry one of those with me." But what's the problem unless you have something to hide?! If you've got nothing to hind then I don't see why some people are against them.
Love, HallamFmFAN :banana:
Greenback 06-01-2004, 09:31 But what's the problem unless you have something to hide?! If you've got nothing to hind then I don't see why some people are against them.
Logical extension: CCTV cameras in the home, watching your every move? Having your phone tapped? Viewing/surfing/shopping habits constantly monitored? Microphones in the walls, picking up every conversation?
If you've got nothing to hide, what's the problem? :D
Originally posted by HallamFmFAN
Well I think it would be a good idea to make people who are scum easy to identify. I'd like to know who they were so i could avoid them.
...because of course there's no such thing as a reformed person is there. :roll:
Originally posted by HallamFmFAN
Well I think it would be a good idea to make people who are scum easy to identify. I'd like to know who they were so i could avoid them. Infact I think they should hurry up and get those identification cards that they're on about bringing in that you have to carry every where with you. Just so that police know who the sum ar so they can keep an eye on them and reduce crime. There'll proberbly be some of you that'll say "no I don't want to carry one of those with me." But what's the problem unless you have something to hide?! If you've got nothing to hind then I don't see why some people are against them.
Love, HallamFmFAN :banana:
I dont want to carry an ID card :loopy: And ive nothing to hide, ID cards were last used in this country to weadle out nazi spies, and I dont see alot of them about do you?
I have enough ID on me at anytime, this'll make it another pointless addition to my wallet, which might I add isnt always carried with me, why should I *HAVE* to prove who I am on the spot? I have no problem with proving who I am at the moment, so why do I need ANOTHER card to prove it otherwise? Now if they combined the driving licence with an ID card, id have no problems, as long as I wasnt forced to carry it with me at all times. They want to make it combined with a passport... why :| that means id have to carry the book AND a card with me, along with a driving licence card AND paper counterpart... stupid.
Originally posted by Pauly-Plumba
...because of course there's no such thing as a reformed person is there. :roll:
That's what I was thinking. Much better that the Police know who they are (they do now) and they have the powers to take them off the streets.
Originally posted by Tony
That's what I was thinking. Much better that the Police know who they are (they do now) and they have the powers to take them off the streets.
How would the police know who they are? How big are these id cards going to be that the police can see them at all times? Will they be fluorescent and emit radio waves?
alert_bri 06-01-2004, 19:02 Bluetooth would do that (the radio waves bit)
In the same way that you know your collegues and clients at work - the police know the vast majority of scrotes on sight.
Originally posted by Tony
In the same way that you know your collegues and clients at work - the police know the vast majority of scrotes on sight.
So why would they need to carry id cards if the police know who there are anyway?:loopy:
Greenback 06-01-2004, 19:45 They wouldn't...
But I bet ID Card data could be sold on to a marketing company or two for a tidy sum, eh? :)
Originally posted by max
So why would they need to carry id cards if the police know who there are anyway?:loopy:
I reckon that ID cards are more about the Gvt keeping tabs on us ALL rather than protecting us from anything. It's like the airport security. All this nonsense about scissors and the like - snap a credit card in half and you have a great knife - but it makes people feel better if they have all this imaginary security.
Mr BusDriver 06-01-2004, 23:43 Originally posted by t020
Caught a bit of this guys late night show earlier today. From the sounds of it, he's not too popular with the callers. I think he sounded like a bit of a self opinionated, arrogant nob trying to provoke a reaction from callers to boost listening figures. A bit like me on here, except to provoke replies to posts...... but thats another story. So, what does everyone here make of him? Didn't catch much of his show, anyone ever phoned in or anything?
This is HALLAM FM trick:mad:
I think im right in saying that about 3-4 years ago they had James Whale on the late night show:confused:
I can remember there was a lot of letters in the Sheffield Star complaining:mad:
damo4real 06-01-2004, 23:58 at the end of the day nick does his job and he does it well! as many people have said his comments on his show provoke a reaction which im sure is the whole point why would you want a presenter sitting there agreeing wiith whatever a caller said it would make for a very boring show where no-one truely expressed what they thought/believed in
personally i'd give anything (and i mean anything! haha) to be a radio presenter hes got a good job and hes having fun while doing it lucky man!
HallamFmFAN 07-01-2004, 17:42 Well said. Nicks great the shows great. I'm totally addicted to his show. If i turn it of to go to sleep i'm wondering what is happening, so i make sure i get plenty of sleep so i dont miss 1 minute of it.
Love, HallamFmFAN :banana:
LONG LIVE THE NICHOLARSE
Pauls-Stuff 07-01-2004, 21:02 Don't know if any of you heard it, but they talked about these very own SheffieldForum.co.uk on the show last night!
-Paul-
Originally posted by HallamFmFAN
Well said. Nicks great the shows great. I'm totally addicted to his show. If i turn it of to go to sleep i'm wondering what is happening, so i make sure i get plenty of sleep so i dont miss 1 minute of it.
Love, HallamFmFAN :banana:
LONG LIVE THE NICHOLARSE
I think I'd call that 'blind support'. I'm willing to bet that if Nick's show became mind numbingly boring and his ratings dropped through the floor that this potential stalker here would still be drooling over the radio between 10pm-1am. I'd watch yourself with this one Nick. :loopy:
HallamFmFAN 08-01-2004, 07:59 Ha ha ha!!! Pauly-Plumba i'm not that mad. I just think the shows great and that the presenter (Nick) just tells it how it is, instead of just agreeing with everyone. The fact that Nick doesn't do that makes the show interesting.
Love, HallamFmFAN :banana:
so...in a nutshell then...
Bring back Mark Meadowcroft.
;)
kittykat 09-01-2004, 01:42 I have to say ive grown to tolerate nick M. At first i wasnt very open minded but after listening to him a bit more he does make valid points and argues them fairly well- he even managed to open my mind on the fox hunting debate. If all the listeners were of an average IQ or above the show would be pretty good and it may even replace evening TV (on a rubbish TV night obv) for me. As it is there are too many thick people who dont realise theres a radio delay or just hang up after saying something stupid.
Originally posted by kittykat
If all the listeners were of an average IQ or above the show would be pretty good and it may even replace evening TV (on a rubbish TV night obv) for me. As it is there are too many thick people who dont realise theres a radio delay or just hang up after saying something stupid.
Did you know 50% of the population have an IQ below average? It's an outrage. Something should be done. I'm going to write to my MP.
Nomme
(For those of you with an IQ below average the above is a joke)
The common phrase regarding HallamFM is:
"Most of the listeners have an IQ lower than the frequency" :lol:
Originally posted by RPG
The common phrase regarding HallamFM is:
"Most of the listeners have an IQ lower than the frequency" :lol:
I had much the same thought about Radio 2 - Their target age group is the same as their frequency.
Never ever have I come across such appalling snobbery
Several of you ought to be mightily ashamed of yourselves
Item 1. The listening audience for Hallam FM is not likely to be particularly "posh" or "intellectual". Those kind of folks will be listening to BBC stations in general, local ones or Radio 4 or Radio 3 etc. They wont want to hear the adverts or the type of pop music playing.
The target audience for Hallam FM is probably young people AND working class people, C2s etc.
I am not being controversial here, I am just stating facts about the market share. This is information is probably freely available from HallamFM as it helps advertisers decide where to place their adverts.
That being the case, it is ridiculous to object to those kinds of people phoning up and talking to the presenters.
Item 2. I think it has been mentioned on another thread but there is a book by Bill Bryson called, I think, Mother Tongue which is about the development of the English language. He makes it clear that language in in flux all the time, not this fixed thing you think.
Frankly Nick, you sound like an ignorant snob to me and not very well educated. Clearly you cant be all that marvellous otherwise you would have become a lawyer or a surgeon, just like they are in Eccleshall. I wouldnt listen to your programme because I am one of those Radio4 listeners, but I bet I will think you have an accent if I tune in!!
Frankly if I had been a listener, I would now be turning you off because you clearly have no respect for your listeners. Oh I dont mean the "cutting people off" thing, that is a borrowed gimmick as anybody over the age of about 35 will remember. And yet Nick, where would you be without those listeners? On the dole mate, mixing with "common" people!
kittykat 10-01-2004, 00:02 You obviously havent been listening to the show! They dont ring up to talk they ring up to be silly - to say a silly word or profanity, giggle and slam the phone down. Yes i do object to these people ringing as it spoils it for the rest of the people who listen and im not being snobby by calling them thick as they quite obviously are if they cant hold a proper conversation.
If this is the target audience then why bother having a chat show with topics of debate why not play the usual senseless dance, trance and pop they insist on playing.
I've been listening to the show on and off over the last couple of weeks, more since this debate started, and I have to say that although there is the occasional prank caller the show is not littered with them as others are making out and some people do put forward valid opinions.
The other night's show, I think it was Monday or Tuesday night, was a great show discussing Little Mo's predicament on Eastenders. For those of you who don't watch she's been raped and after finding herself pregnant has decided to keep the baby, although her husband Billy is dead against it. Ok this isn't real life but they were discussing the situation and people's views on it if they were put in the same position. There were some really good calls in that night, the best one being second to last where a woman forced Nick to change his own personal opinion that he had been resolutely standing by all the way through the show.
It isn't like this every night of course but nobody can guarantee a good show every night and if you're predjudiced by a person's 'common' accent or something then this isn't really the show for you anyway.
Read everyones comments...I'd just like to say i think Nicks show is ace. Don't always agrea with him but then you arn't supposed to are you? and sometimes my opinions change on matters when I've heard his and the callers views on things. regarding the "fact" he doesn't listen to the callers opinions...on all the shows I've heard (and I try catch it every night from when he started) I've seen that his opinions do tend to change sometimes but not when the callers are so lacking in the intelligence field.
Originally posted by hudu
Bring back Mark Meadowcroft.
Crikey...whatever happened to him?
Originally posted by Andy
Crikey...whatever happened to him?
He did a Chris Evans and resigned on air before getting physically ejected from the studio. It was believed he moved to London in an attempt to continue a career in journalism.
Nicholarse 11-01-2004, 20:51 Originally posted by Belle
Frankly Nick, you sound like an ignorant snob to me and not very well educated. Clearly you cant be all that marvellous otherwise you would have become a lawyer or a surgeon, just like they are in Eccleshall. I wouldnt listen to your programme because I am one of those Radio4 listeners, but I bet I will think you have an accent if I tune in!!
Frankly if I had been a listener, I would now be turning you off because you clearly have no respect for your listeners. Oh I dont mean the "cutting people off" thing, that is a borrowed gimmick as anybody over the age of about 35 will remember. And yet Nick, where would you be without those listeners? On the dole mate, mixing with "common" people! [/B]
What an insufferable moron!
Point 1 - You've never listened to the show. How would you know if I have respect for my listeners? I love my listeners. Every single one of them. They are all of a far higher quality than moronic middle class idiots like you, who have an opinion on everything and the facts on nothing. I don't mind if a listener comes on the show and soundly shouts me down. I do mind dull people like you. You're the cancer that rots this country more and more each day. An empty head through which wind flows so freely it sounds like words and thoughts.
Point 2 - Why do you think I am not very well educated? I've rejected all that ruling class nonsense years ago my friend. The merits of someone's performance on a hot summers day which they probably can't remember, when they passed or failed an exam, are of no interest to me. Why are they to you? Because you cannot think for yourself. That's why. You are a sheep who follows the rest whereas my listeners (regardless of their social class) are the thinkers who decide for themselves.
Point 3 - You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself. If you are not I'm afraid you are beyond help.
Yours sincerely,
Nick Margerrison.
:thumbsup:
DaBouncer 11-01-2004, 21:03 Nick I've never listened to your show yet but I will make sure it's on my 'to do' list soon.
Until then I will reserve my judgement on what you have to say. I like people wo speak their mind and have the courage of thier convictions so I look forward to listening.
Tell me, wont HallamFM be annoyed at your FRANK views on here and general calling people (i.e. Belle) 'an insufferable moron'?
Or is that the tone loosley what the show is about?
I remember another HallamFM presenter causing a stir in a similar way some 6 years or more ago.... Scotty i think his name was.
Scottish geezer who had a knack of insulting people on air... he was funny sometimes but a p**ck most of the time. However his show was entertaining.
Maybe I'll get some tips on what 'not to do' :thumbsup: when I get my chance for my own show on 'www.sheffieldlive.org'.
Nicholarse 12-01-2004, 12:47 Originally posted by DaBouncer
Tell me, wont HallamFM be annoyed at your FRANK views on here and general calling people (i.e. Belle) 'an insufferable moron'?
Don't be an idiot. This website has nothing to do with Hallam FM.
Scottie McClue works on Magic AM 10-1 Sunday through 'till Thursday. It's a different type of show to the one I do but equally as good. Give him a listen.
Good luck with your radio show.
NM
Originally posted by Nicholarse
[B]Point 2 - Why do you think I am not very well educated? I've rejected all that ruling class nonsense years ago my friend. The merits of someone's performance on a hot summers day which they probably can't remember, when they passed or failed an exam, are of no interest to me.
So I was right, you arent well-educated then
I thought not
That will be why you are a DJ on a commercial radio station and why you do all this whining about thick people coming on your show and talking drivel with a working class accent
It is misplaced snobbery
And you should know that you represent HallamFM when you come on here and use your real name.
Whether you like it or not
Originally posted by Nicholarse
What an insufferable moron!
Dead chuffed!
*yawn* this is getting kind of boring now. Most of the people bitchin' about the show are obviously boring dullards who have no concept of 'freedom of speech', I've listened to the show many times and although i don't always agree with the points he puts forward, i will defend anyones right to express their opinions, how boring would the world be if everyone had to think the same?? It's when people like Nick put his thoughts out there, that gets people thinking about their views, is it not better to encourage people to think about things, than to dictate what everyone thinks. I personally think the show is great, makes a change to reading about things in the newspapers, where you are only given one side to the story. The fact that people i.e 'belle' have resorted to calling him 'uneducated' just proves they have no valid reason for not liking the show, the simple fact is, if you don't like it, dont listen, im sure whatever anyone says on here isn't going to bother him one bit, and it's certainly not going to get him taken off air, so get a life, and chill out a bit.
LONG LIVE THA NICHOLARSE!!
I have nothing at all against the show
nothing at all
long may it continue
what I was objecting to was Nick and T020 in particular slagging off the people who take the trouble to phone in and contribute because they think they sound thick with rough accents
I have no more to say on this subject at all
Well maybe if you listened to the show properly you would understand, it's not as if he intentionally gets people to call up just for him to slag off, people who call the show give as good as they get, thats the concept of the show. And as for people ''sounding thick with rough accents'' it sounds to me your the one with the class background issues, not Nick!
Ebony, this is what Nick said that I was and am objecting to, perhaps you didnt read it?
Originally posted by Nicholarse
Oohh, "Luvverly Jubberly" is in the dictionary! How jolly and working class. Aren't the establishment hip?
The point here is that many people are proud of the fact that they sound like idiots. They launch their mouths into an onslaught of crass sounding slang, thick with a horrible accent and then expect me to treat them as an intelligent individual?
Accents do make a difference. The less of one you have, the less you will be judged a fool.
I'm right on this one luv.
NM
Yes, and what i object to are people trying to stop other from having their god given right....freedom of choice/speech. As i said before i don't always agree with everything he says, but he has a right to say it. No, i hadn't read that, but it doesnt change my opinion on the matter, I myself have a very strong Sheffield accent, but i am certainly not an idiot, or uneducated...therefore i disagree with him, but i'm certainly not going to cry about it!
Ebony
Then we are as one on this subject
We both think that people who phone up to join in the debates should be allowed to do so, to say what they think on the topic
Irrespective of whether Nick approves of their accents
Freedom of speech
A popular topic today on the Forum
Yes, but your are making out like he doesnt give people who phone in with ''strong accents'' a chance, and just slags them off because of them sounding ''thick'', thats not the case, anyways, the fact of the matter is, the people who get what the shows about will continue to listen, those who dont, wont!! simple as! what gets me mad though, is the people who complain about it, get the rule over those of us who think the show is great, just a shame some people have to try spoil it for others. i dont really have anything more to say on the matter, i think iv proved my point nicely.
Ebony :banana:
Belle - I was saying that people with heavier local accents come across to most people as being less intellectual - even to those who think that they won't - it can often be sub-concious, but covers of books will always be judged.
T020 - I agree with you that people are judgemental about accents. They are also judgemental about race, gender, size and sexuality.
I just wish they weren't, that's all
Originally posted by Belle
T020 - I agree with you that people are judgemental about accents. They are also judgemental about race, gender, size and sexuality.
I just wish they weren't, that's all
I wish I could win the lottery - so what?
so what?
Errr.....so I was expressing my opinion on Sheffield Forum, as were you.
That is what it is here for
So - that was my go at having some of the freedom of speech which has been championed so much today
We all have an idea of how we would like the world to be. It might be different in each case, but we all know what we would prefer.
I would prefer it if people did not judge others on superficial characteristics.
I trust that differing views are still welcome, or do we want a Forum where everyone either agrees with the thread poster or keeps quiet?
It strikes me it wouldnt last very long on that basis, not much reason to keep coming back
PS I got myself a lucky dip for tomorrow night, I do occasionally buy lottery tickets myself
My point was that no amount of wishing will make it come true, but you make a fair point too.
PS. Rarely waste money on the lottery, but can still dream.
Nicholarse 13-01-2004, 19:47 I think perhaps Delle has misunderstood.
The discussion about accents is nothing to do with the people who call the radio show.
I don't particularly consider people from South Yorkshire to have a very strong accent, I certainly never have any difficulty understanding them.
In fact it's a shame Bele feels the need to be horrible about the many listeners who take the time to call us up and make the show what it is every night. Some of them may not be very well educated but I think they could probably teach everyone a thing or two. Some of them are incredibly intelligent and I have to fall silent and listen to them.
Each night I learn a thing or two from the show because of the callers who phone in.
NM
Originally posted by Nicholarse
In fact it's a shame Bele feels the need to be horrible about the many listeners who take the time to call us up and make the show what it is every night. Some of them may not be very well educated but I think they could probably teach everyone a thing or two. Some of them are incredibly intelligent and I have to fall silent and listen to them.
You are not playing that game with me !!!
There is nothing wrong with your being controversial if you think it will draw listeners to your show, all power to your elbow and self-publicity skills in fact, I salute you.
However I NEVER said a word against your listeners or participants, in fact I was defending them against YOUR charges. My negative comments were restricted entirely to you (and my old sparring partner T020)
Dont lie to or mislead Sheffield Forumers by suggesting anything different, they do all possess the ability to search back through the thread you know.
I don't see why you need to make "negative comments" though Belle, when all I was doing was pointing out what you admitted is the truth - that people judge people on how they speak, and stronger accents are perceived to be less intelligent.
Nicholarse 14-01-2004, 14:08 That's right Belle. Anyone who does search back through this (admittedly massive) string will notice I never at any point refer to the listeners on my show as having an accent. The reason for that is as I have said - I do not think people in South Yorkshire have much of an accent.
It is you who suggests I am slagging my listeners. Not me.
In fact the point of some of the things we raise on the show is to expose other people and their views on various matters. I think that's what we've done here.
Nick wins.
;)
NM
alert_bri 14-01-2004, 14:27 Nick wins.
... another listener. When's the show on? what frequency?
;)
:help: :oim scared! lol, (Hallam Fm, 10pm-1am, sunday-thursday btw alert_bri!) :thumbsup:
Greenback 15-01-2004, 08:45 *bangs head against wall. again*
EVERYONE speaks with an accent... if you're going to continue proselytising on this tired topic, at least get to know and understand your terms!
Originally posted by Nicholarse
Nick wins.
No I dont think so, not with your viewing figures
;)
Am now putting you in iggy box
Originally posted by Nicholarse
[B]That's right Belle. Anyone who does search back through this (admittedly massive) string will notice I never at any point refer to the listeners on my show as having an accent. The reason for that is as I have said - I do not think people in South Yorkshire have much of an accent.
.....snip......
Nick wins.
You keep saying that you don't think South Yorkshire people have much of an accent, and that you don't have a problem understanding them. Do you think that's because you're one of them?
The men calling men 'luv' thing definitely seems to be a Sheffield thing too.
Perhaps people in Glasgow, Liverpool or wherever else you single out don't have problems understanding each other either.
Originally posted by Belle
No I dont think so, not with your viewing figures
I normally look at my computer screen when the radio is on... staring at the radio gets boring after a while... :P
Well after reading this thread yesterday, I thought I would tune in last night, I mangaged about 20 minutes zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Making a whole show out of people calling in is not my idea of a good radio programme.
Where was the music? never heard any, only on adverts.
I dont wish to comment on the callers social status, but there were some whacky people on the line. Some woman on about pet shops and how they make her feel good, zzzzzz.
Needless to say I will not be tuning in again.
Mikey wins
Originally posted by Belle
We both think that people who phone up to join in the debates should be allowed to do so, to say what they think on the topic
Why should they? It's Nick's show, he can do what he wants.
Good show last night :thumbsup:
The mars topic was good, and as nick says its obviously a guy thing :lol:
Nick: The reason I think its a good idea is that we get technology advances, something which needs a War to develop usually :)
Originally posted by mikey
Needless to say I will not be tuning in again.
Mikey wins
One man's meat, is another man's poison... :thumbsup:
Originally posted by Geoff
One man's meat, is another man's poison... :thumbsup:
Yeah and one man's treasure is another man's junk:thumbsup:
and IMHO that's what it was.
Can I take it Geoff that you are a fan?
Originally posted by mikey
Can I take it Geoff that you are a fan?
I listen occasionally, but I wouldn't say I was 'fan' (those annoying adverts become very annoying once you've heard them 10+ times in one night). I was just pointing out that everyone has their own tastes. Nick's show is a talk show and that's why there was no music. He (and Hallam) know what their market wants - and that's what they give them.
You can't please everyone, but Nick is obviously pleasing enough people :)
Originally posted by Geoff
You can't please everyone, but Nick is obviously pleasing enough people :)
I dunno. He sounded desperate enough the other night, for listeners to write any letters of support they could to counter all the complaints the station has received.
Originally posted by tombeharrell
I dunno. He sounded desperate enough the other night...
Oh right! Like I said, I don't tune in that often. He could be saying that kind of thing to build up the 'shock' value of his show - or maybe his bosses really are getting twitchy...
Nicholarse 18-01-2004, 18:19 We do get complaints. Of course we do.
People like Mikey for example who want to hear their fix of S Club 7 and Westlife or whatever pop music he likes... and then go and steal my phrases because he can't think of one himself.
They aren't much of a problem of course because people like that are generally halfwits.
The real problem complaints though are the ones about "issues" that we discuss. It seems some people do not like me to have an opinion. They aren't used to backing up their arguments with a bit of thought.
What annoys me is that we have thousands of listeners and maybe 10-15 people who've complained, at the most. I asked for letters of compliment to counteract that and I'm pleased to say we got well over 200 letters after asking on that one night alone.
Originally posted by Nicholarse
The real problem complaints though are the ones about "issues" that we discuss. It seems some people do not like me to have an opinion.
I know the feeling.
Originally posted by Nicholarse
The real problem complaints though are the ones about "issues" that we discuss.
They aren't used to backing up their arguments with a bit of thought.
Oh, we know about people not being able to back up their opinions with facts let alone thoughts only too well.
Originally posted by max
Oh, we know about people not being able to back up their opinions with facts let alone thoughts only too well.
The very fact that something is an opinion automatically means thought backs it up. Opinions are often not based on facts, but on thoughts, formed through experiences, morals, beliefs, etc. e.g. people actually believe in God and that he exists - thats their opinion, formed through thought, but definitely not through fact.
Originally posted by t020
The very fact that something is an opinion automatically means thought backs it up. Opinions are often not based on facts, but on thoughts, formed through experiences, morals, beliefs, etc. e.g. people actually believe in God and that he exists - thats their opinion, formed through thought, but definitely not through fact.
However, there is a difference between opinions based on thought and those based on assumptions and bigotry.
Originally posted by max
However, there is a difference between opinions based on thought and those based on assumptions and bigotry.
Not really because both assumptions and bigotry require the process of thought to come to such conclusions.
In YOUR opinion.
In MY opinion I think that bigots should have a taste of their own medicine for a while.
They should then understand the difference between fact and opinion.
Originally from the mouth of the Nicholarse, about thirty seconds ago
I have been officially told by my boss that I can be an intimidating character.
Phanerothyme 19-01-2004, 00:01 Originally posted by RPG
Good show last night :thumbsup:
The mars topic was good, and as nick says its obviously a guy thing :lol:
Nick: The reason I think its a good idea is that we get technology advances, something which needs a War to develop usually :)
Of course the USA will not be considering any military activity in space, as a signatory of the UN convention on the weaponisation of space.
Of course not.
How could I think such a thing.
But wars can be cold as well. I notice the Chinese are getting people into space now.....
Originally posted by Nicholarse
People like Mikey for example who want to hear their fix of S Club 7 and Westlife or whatever pop music he likes...
Oooh Yes please I didnt realise you did requests, can I have "Don't stop moving" and dont forget to dedicate it to mikey.
Originally posted by Nicholarse
People like Mikey for example who steal my phrases because he can't think of one himself.
Plank, it was supposed to be a direct lift
Originally posted by Nicholarse
People like Mikey ......They aren't much of a problem of course because people like that are generally halfwits.
You get personal, I get personal, I still won't be tuning again, so...
mikey wins again...:thumbsup:
alert_bri 19-01-2004, 10:17 mikey wins again...:thumbsup:
...another abstainer! I can't be arsed to find a radio and Mikey is more entertaining from where I'm sitting (on the sidelines) ;)
p.s. can you get HallamFM live via the net?
Originally posted by alert_bri
can you get HallamFM live via the net?
Probably, but having heard it on 'real' radio I can't imagine why you would want to. Personally, when there's nothing on Radios 4 & 7, I prefer to investigate some of the more esoteric radio stations around the world.
DaBouncer 19-01-2004, 10:31 I dont think Hallam FM do a live broadcast over the web... unlike the far superior station Galaxy 105.
They do go over the web - http://www.hallamfm.co.uk and http://www.emap.com both have direct links.
Nicholarse 22-01-2004, 00:53 We get a lot of listeners through the web these days. In fact the website itself has been used by me to plug this site in the past.
NM
The main good thing about Hallam FM's web radio is that it's one of the only stations that these Uni PCs can run :)...
Do a search for "Nick Margerrison" on Google and Sheffield Forum comes up 3rd (on my PC at least). Perhaps we should convert this thread in to a fan site ;)
My main (general) tip for Hallam would be to fire/change your ad sales people. No offence, but out of all the commercial stations you can pick-up in South Yorkshire, Hallam FM does have some of the most irritating ads!
But I'm pretty sure Nick can't be held responsible for this ;)
alert_bri 22-01-2004, 14:32 Following Geoff's advice gives some great background on Nick... Classic quote from Nick on his radio career...
he (Nick) is extremely happy with his lot: “I never dared to dream that it'd end up earning me enough money to live in a ****ty little bedsit in Sheffield and be able to afford to buy a battered old Nova to drive round in.”
Nick... you've certainly got style! :D
I promise to listen in one of these days... :thumbsup:
Nicholarse 26-01-2004, 20:31 My girlfriend used to write the ads for Hallam FM but she was poached by another radio station some time ago.
I like the Coldseal ads the best.
As for that quote, it's quite old and my Nova has been on the scrapheap for a while now.
Got a metro recently.
NM
I see you've taken to writing into the Star now, Nick......
noseyrosie 26-01-2004, 21:27 I listen to Nick's show just about every night but, a)I'm only 16 and b)I never listen from 10....ok Nick, so beat me with a large stick.
Listening the show last night though, Nick seems miiiigghty peed off about internet listeners because they don't add to listening figures. Surely the money's not all that matters, now is it?
Oh, and just to cheer him up, here's a few of his favourite things: :) :D :banana: :rolleyes: LOL
Strange that internet listening figures aren't counted - one would think that they'd be easier to account for than those tuning in over the radio waves.
Originally posted by Nicholarse
We get a lot of listeners through the web these days. In fact the website itself has been used by me to plug this site in the past.
NM
This MUST stop
We MUST stop
This guy is not even a smidgeon as good as T020 would be if he had a radio station
And it is DEFINITELY not as good as anything that Steve, Pete and Cycle Racer (OUR people not someone else's people) are promoting on Sheffield LIVE
I say END THIS THREAD
If you agree with me, dont comment, dont say so, dont even touch a button, just let this no-mark go....okay?
END THIS THREAD
xx
HallamFmFAN 27-01-2004, 08:01 Nah I don't think this thread should end. It's another way of getting peoples views on subjects raised on Nick's show. You never no the thicko's in here might get 'educated'. :D
Love, HallamFmFAN
:banana:
Originally posted by HallamFmFAN
You never no the thicko's in here might get 'educated'. :D
Oh, I do love irony.:D
Phanerothyme 16-02-2004, 18:07 Just thought I'd cap this thread with a few words from the great man himself.
Nick is advocating terminating foetuses with thick mothers (they must pass GCSEs if they want to keep the baby)
Caller :do you not think it would be more effective to intervene before conception?
Nick M :No because i think that is inhumane and as I said is the idea of a madman.
L :More inhumane than terminating a baby??
N :Listen, everyone accepts now that abortion is a good idea, it's fine, there's no moral problems with that anymore
L :There are many people that have moral problems with abortion
N :Yeah but [they're] thickos who are into religion and that's fine. Anyone who believes in the bible isn't even worth considering when we're taking serious decisions, is it?
Nicholarse 01-03-2004, 18:37 Couldn't agree more.
I find the online broadcast rather quiet even with my settings on max, nick is there a way to increase its volume ?
Nicholarse 02-03-2004, 19:21 Not sure to be honest. What's wrong with your radio?
MichaelTravis 02-03-2004, 20:30 Nick, my radio is on the blink. Could you come round and fix it please? And make my tea?
Nick,do you know how I can get to Glasgow city centre by train or plane for about 11.am next Wednesday?
Nicholarse 03-03-2004, 18:56 Click here (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/time_table/journey_requirements.asp?&T2ID=730_200433195135) for your train times.
No good at fixing radios though.
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