Live 8 Concert megathread [Archive]

neeeeeeeeeek

14-06-2005, 14:23

They have got 3million quid from the text auction, if people were lucky enough to win them and don't want to go then that should be up to them. People get all moralistic on this but how many of you donate a percentage of your monthly pay packet to such issues or actually do your bit?? Your all happy enough to go **** £100 quid away on a Friday night, why not give that give that to poverty awareness. Who does the lottery?? Why not donate that pound to a charity every week instead? If you won the lottery would you give the money to poverty awareness?? I think not.
Many people are going to make money out of this, the artists are going to indirectly make money out of this, the venue will, the burger sellers, dodgy t-shirts sellers, lots of people will, if people need the money enough to not want to go then let them get on with it.

Draggletail

14-06-2005, 14:29

Originally posted by valentine
A lot of the tickets on Ebay seem to be attracting "phantom" bids for stupid amounts like £1,000000, I presume this is peoples way of b*******g up the auction so the tickets can't be sold.

The seller would be liable to pay ebay 3.5% (I think) commision of that amount :wow: and would have to go through a fair bit of keyboard tapping and waiting about to wriggle out of it :hihi:

Mosey

14-06-2005, 14:30

If Bob wanted money he should have sold the tickets instead of giving them away.

He said: "I am sick with this. It is a disgrace. It is completely against the interests of the poor. (Bob)

Not the poor that are selling them

Jon

14-06-2005, 14:32

Originally posted by uncleheed
Plenty of the acts will be making a profit from LIVE 8.

Will they be donating any profits from future album sales? ;) well said uncleheed i'm glad someone else thinks the same way i do. I believe its King Bob now after watching Jonathan Ross the other night.

EdEd

14-06-2005, 14:33

youre missing the point of this thing neek, of course people arent donating all the time its just the society we live in. we're so desensitised to world poverty in our little haven that people forget so easily- the material world is very addictive. live8 just happening the once and its supposed to be this massive thing that makes a real difference, so people making money out of selling their tickets just perpetuates a side of human greed that condradicts the very point of he event.

youwhatref

14-06-2005, 14:56

Originally posted by uncleheed
Plenty of the acts will be making a profit from LIVE 8.

Will they be donating any profits from future album sales?

I too also think this is a good quote and incleheed is right. They will makle out of it. Didn't i hear Damon Alburn from Blur talk about this fact???

Regardless i still feel it's wrong to make money on something that is free (i knoow it cost a text). Live8 is free to attend and people shouldn't make a personal gain out of it apart from the memories of being there.

However it doens't suprise me that thousands will try to make money out of it

DaBouncer

14-06-2005, 15:53

What profit are the acts making from Live 8, as far as I'm aware they're performing for FREE.

TheBlueDragon

14-06-2005, 15:54

Originally posted by DaBouncer
What profit are the acts making from Live 8, as far as I'm aware they're performing for FREE.

Yes they are doing it for free, but what do you think the chances of them bringing a record out after?
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DaBouncer

14-06-2005, 15:58

Do you mean a Live 8 video or a normal track from their current/forthcoming albums?

If it's a Live 8 video I'd put good money on the fact ALL the profit will be given to charity. If it's a video from their album then that's inevitable whether or not they play at Live 8 so then what's your point?

TheBlueDragon

14-06-2005, 16:02

I mean some seperate album with like just a Coldplay album etc. They will most lightly get loads of people thinking, "Ill get this because they were very good at the consert"

Its loads of publisity for them
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DaBouncer

14-06-2005, 16:05

People would buy the album whether they play at Live 8 fro FREE or Glastonbury for a fee.
OK yes they get publicity, but it's not as if people don't know about them already.

If they make money due to people seeing them at Live 8... well they've given there FREE time so why not.... they've done there bit by giving up their time.

On the other hand these losers who are selling Live 8 tickets on ebay for a lot of money and profiting from people trying to raise awareness of 3rd world countries... really should be dealt with heavily legally if at all possible (in my opinion).

willman

14-06-2005, 16:37

what the point of asking for tickets if you dont intend using them. its like buying all the decent premier players so the others dont have a chance of getting any .( christ Chelsea's already doing that)

had the same idea s the other guy to bid the price up, just got my "fake" id registered today, will try & top the current offer & then the 10k will be the second chance offer.
& then if they don't sell them to me at the end we can publish their names & addresses to Sir Bob.

Twiglet

14-06-2005, 16:45

Originally posted by willman
what the point of asking for tickets if you dont intend using them. its like buying all the decent premier players so the others dont have a chance of getting any .( christ Chelsea's already doing that)

had the same idea s the other guy to bid the price up, just got my "fake" id registered today, will try & top the current offer & then the 10k will be the second chance offer.
& then if they don't sell them to me at the end we can publish their names & addresses to Sir Bob.

Now some of them are getting round this by auctioning to pre-approved bidders only. I assume this means (as well as e-mailing the seller) that it will include only people with plenty of feedback.

youwhatref

14-06-2005, 18:20

Just seen that ebay have banned all sale of Live8 tickets :clap:

savbaby

14-06-2005, 18:33

there are some jokers out there bidding 10k for tickets!!!!!

ohh and how is this for a laugh??
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1306&item=6539757287&rd=1

EDIT!!!ohh in time it took for me to write it they removed it!!!!

tosh13

14-06-2005, 19:32

Anyone who sells these tickets are leaches,students ,do they think they are the only people on the planet with money problems,greed that's what it is,to think that some young kids could represent our country in the future is sick.If you cannot go give them away.

Jon

14-06-2005, 20:01

Originally posted by DaBouncer
What profit are the acts making from Live 8, as far as I'm aware they're performing for FREE. Yes they are doing it for free who wouldn't blame them, its the record sales these groups and singers will make after live 8 with everyone rushing to the shops to buy Robbie and coldplay cds..:thumbsup: if these bands donate all the profits from all record sales a month after live 8 then i will respect them.

alchresearch

14-06-2005, 21:14

Originally posted by willman
what the point of asking for tickets if you dont intend using them. its like buying all the decent premier players so the others dont have a chance of getting any .( christ Chelsea's already doing that)

had the same idea s the other guy to bid the price up, just got my "fake" id registered today, will try & top the current offer & then the 10k will be the second chance offer.
& then if they don't sell them to me at the end we can publish their names & addresses to Sir Bob.

This one is still listed:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16067&item=6539676059&rd=1

It's funny how this sellers past Ebay transactions concern the sale of tickets.

DaBouncer

14-06-2005, 22:10

Originally posted by Jon
Yes they are doing it for free who wouldn't blame them, its the record sales these groups and singers will make after live 8 with everyone rushing to the shops to buy Robbie and coldplay cds..:thumbsup: if these bands donate all the profits from all record sales a month after live 8 then i will respect them.
That's got to be THE dumbest thing I've seen you write.
Is the fact they're giving their busy and valuable time up for free not enough to satisfy you?

Shame really :loopy:

t020

14-06-2005, 23:09

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Heard on the news today anyone selling the LIVE 8 conert tickets will be sued by Bob Geldoff.

It's dispicable if any tickets are sold for profit in my and other Sheffield Forumers opinions.

I think the reaction to the eBay saga was completely over the top. People selling their tickets on eBay doesn't lose the charitable cause any funds whatsoever. Yes, the seller makes a tidy profit but it makes this from someone desperate to go to the concert and not from the charity funds. Furthermore, on the contrary to taking money away from the cause, eBay had promised to donate their commissions from the ticket sales to the cause so it would've meant raising MORE money. A short-sighted, knee jerk reaction by the sandal wearing Sir.

As for legalities - sellers of the tickets were breaking no laws at all. Infact, the only person breaking a law was the old hippy himself by inciting illegal activity, i.e. hacking.

Jon

14-06-2005, 23:34

Originally posted by DaBouncer
That's got to be THE dumbest thing I've seen you write.
Is the fact they're giving their busy and valuable time up for free not enough to satisfy you?

Shame really :loopy: Albarn criticises Live 8 concerts Albarn also said there should be "some kind of tariff" on record companies.
"All the artists that play there will enjoy increased record sales - if they play a good gig, they will benefit from it," the singer said.

Artists should put pressure on their record labels to "genuinely show this is an altruistic act and that there is no self-gain in it".

No swearing (including ma$ked), no abuse, no racism or anything else forum rules

I have a right air my opinions without abuse DB i was just agreeing with Albans comments.

I believe the money raised from the txts are for the concerts to be staged and not for the people of Africa, its just a shame nothing has really changed since band aid.

Draggletail

15-06-2005, 00:18

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
They have got 3million quid from the text auction, if people were lucky enough to win them and don't want to go then that should be up to them. People get all moralistic on this but how many of you donate a percentage of your monthly pay packet to such issues or actually do your bit?? Your all happy enough to go **** £100 quid away on a Friday night, why not give that give that to poverty awareness. Who does the lottery?? Why not donate that pound to a charity every week instead? If you won the lottery would you give the money to poverty awareness?? I think not.
Many people are going to make money out of this, the artists are going to indirectly make money out of this, the venue will, the burger sellers, dodgy t-shirts sellers, lots of people will, if people need the money enough to not want to go then let them get on with it.
Nice one Neeeeeeek.
Bump to the top....

Jon

15-06-2005, 00:44

I don't know where to post this thier are so many live 8 threads. One question i have is how much will it cost the tax payers to pay for all the police needed too police all these events?

pb1977

15-06-2005, 02:17

Sell Sell Sell then Spend Spend Spend.

*Ryan*

27-06-2005, 11:16

evening, jus wondered what everyone had planned with regards the live8 concert, whether ur gonna be at home, going there, or jus not bothering at all??

Ditz

27-06-2005, 11:30

hey im gonna go with me best frend to liverpool and watch it on one of the big screens there! whats evry1 else doing?

and no u cant come with us!! hehe

SimonS

27-06-2005, 11:35

I wanna find a bar or somewhere that'll be showing it....
Any ideas?

foo_fighter

27-06-2005, 15:09

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
They have got 3million quid from the text auction, if people were lucky enough to win them and don't want to go then that should be up to them. People get all moralistic on this but how many of you donate a percentage of your monthly pay packet to such issues or actually do your bit...

More to the point, have you noticed who's paying for this world-wide "event"...

...from the "Live 8" website,

The first £1.6 million raised from the text competition will go to The Prince's Trust which is sharing a proportion of the income with Help a London Child. The rest, after paying the costs of the global LIVE 8 concerts (free events), will go to the Band Aid Trust.

Link:
http://www.live8live.com/tickets.shtml

So don't expect a lot of your money to go to Africa (or many other "worthy" causes), it'll be paying roadies in the US, France, etc.

Ditz

01-07-2005, 21:10

oooooo im soooooo excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ther was a list of what artists are gonna play that day but i dare not look just in case it spoils the surprise!!!!
so whos goin and whos watchin it on the big screen?

Roger_B

01-07-2005, 21:24

Calm down dear...

Scutts

01-07-2005, 21:45

You forgot the third option....Who will be trying to avoid it all day? :thumbsup:

limpetboy

01-07-2005, 21:47

Originally posted by Scutts
You forgot the third option....Who will be trying to avoid it all day? :thumbsup:

ooh that'll be me

bigflesh

01-07-2005, 21:52

Here we go....................................... comments please - (MODS MAKE THIS STICKY & COMBINE ALL OTHER POSTS)

bigflesh

01-07-2005, 22:00

Sheffield is connected with its brothers and sisters in Africa - lets support them - Saturday - by adding to this thread!

Don_Kiddick

01-07-2005, 22:00

Me too :roll: bloddy geldoff

Delboy3

02-07-2005, 10:14

I notice thatBob Geldoff and his pop stars are doing gigs to try and get the G8 to give money or Write off debt for the Poorer countries.

This i have no problem with...but!....If all these multimillionaire pop stars had genuine convictions regarding these poor countries.....If they all put in lets say 10 million each to show everyone that they were indeed committed to this cause then I would respect what they are trying to do.

On the other hand...All I have seen is that they want everyone else to foot the bill and in effect it is giving these bands and pop stars a lot of publicity to make more money for themselves!

Before anyone says.....well these rich countries can afford to give.....please just remember that the money that any country has is from the taxation of the people, in which case...we all foot the bill.

BoroughGal

02-07-2005, 10:21

Just playing devils advocate here delboy... but how do you know they DON'T put a lot of money in themselves? I have no doubt that Geldof does, he really believes in the cause.

However, it would be very vulgar to be bandying around how much they personally donate to charities, wouldn't it?

brooksy

02-07-2005, 10:31

Another point i heard raised is that the whole g8 thing is geared at reducing poverty, debt, disease, hiv,ete. Dont think you have to leave britain to run into most of these probs do you.

PopT

02-07-2005, 10:40

If all the rock stars paid in the amount of money they have obscenely wasted over the years on drugs etc. then more people would think they were sincere and not just lining their own pockets once again so they can waste their earnings on more drugs and ridiculous lifestyles.

I read where because of these concerts the takings on selling their back numbers willincrease their earnings by 500%.

You only have to think about the hotels, guitars,cars and other expensive items they have ruined mindlessly over the years.

The amounts of drugs and alcohol that they have used to excess and then think of the poor Africans they are now telling us all to support.

In my opinion they are false gods and God help us if we lived as they do.

BoroughGal

02-07-2005, 10:41

OMG! It's a concert performed by artists for free - tickets given away for free, to help people in a country less fortunate than ourselves! Do you have to be so cynical?

It might not be your charity of choice - everyone has one close to their hearts - so the solution is, don't watch it, and give plenty of your money to the charity you DO favour... But don't b*tch about people trying to do the right thing!

Delboy3

02-07-2005, 10:45

Originally posted by BoroughGal
Just playing devils advocate here delboy... but how do you know they DON'T put a lot of money in themselves? I have no doubt that Geldof does, he really believes in the cause.

However, it would be very vulgar to be bandying around how much they personally donate to charities, wouldn't it?

I think that they will all be pocketing the money that they get from this publicity and even older pop stars that hav'nt been selling records will, after this shindig, be back getting their royalties..

I hav'nt seen anyone mention what the charges are for these concerts to be shown over satelite and tv to 5.5 billion
expected viewers but I would imagine that it is far from Free!

brooksy

02-07-2005, 10:48

Fair point boro gal but altho anything that helps this crisis is a good thing dont you think a lot of these bands are in a way riding on there egos here. On the news this morning theres reports of certain bands demanding to be placed on stage in front of others ?.Also at the american gig bands are demanding or getting £7,ooo of freebies ete for appearing on stage. I think people have to take a close look at some of these concerts and look at some of the main reasons for these so called rock stars intentions.

BoroughGal

02-07-2005, 10:50

Delboy

So what though, if people ressurrect their careers? The cause is making more money from it than it would have done without the concert....

And there has to be a certain level of demand for the bands that are playing, or there wouldn't be an audience and therefore they wouldn't make the highest possible amount of money. They can't all be aging stars with no careers...

I'm not some sort of activist about this subject, it's not particularly a charity I favour, I just can't see why people would have such a downer on a group of musicians trying to help another country out. You personally do not have to give anything so just let them get on with it.

Delboy3

02-07-2005, 10:53

Originally posted by BoroughGal
Delboy

I'm not some sort of activist about this subject, it's not particularly a charity I favour, I just can't see why people would have such a downer on a group of musicians trying to help another country out. You personally do not have to give anything so just let them get on with it.

I personally have to give with my taxes.....Without choice should the government decide to give our money!

The musicians are helping themselves.......I have not seen any of them actually giving though!

melthebell

02-07-2005, 10:56

its not the artists that ask to play live aid / live 8

the organisers draw up a list of the biggest, most succesful bands they can at the given time..........cos they know they will bring in the cash / viewers............get the most radio / tv / newspaper coverage thoughout the world

brooksy

02-07-2005, 11:01

Good point db, altho i said anything that helps starving people is a good thing i still think theres to much self indulgance and ego shoving involved in these gigs and concerts ete. Being a rich rock star or band gives you the platform to push certain causes , it also provides world wide exposer for the individual?.

Longcol

02-07-2005, 11:14

Originally posted by Scutts
You forgot the third option....Who will be trying to avoid it all day? :thumbsup:

I think I can manage without it - the line up looks rather middle of the road, quite frankly rather boring...although I suppose we can be grateful nobody invited Phil Collins.

BoroughGal

02-07-2005, 11:21

Originally posted by brooksy
Fair point boro gal but altho anything that helps this crisis is a good thing dont you think a lot of these bands are in a way riding on there egos here. On the news this morning theres reports of certain bands demanding to be placed on stage in front of others ?.Also at the american gig bands are demanding or getting £7,ooo of freebies ete for appearing on stage. I think people have to take a close look at some of these concerts and look at some of the main reasons for these so called rock stars intentions.

And fair point yourself brooksey. I understand that this sort of thing happens, but to be fair, I think Geldof is genuine in wanting to help Africa, and if he DOES have any interaction with the stars, I'm not so sure he'll have a bar of anyone wanting £7,000 of freebies. Unless he believes it will increase aid by significantly more than that amount. I know he was disgusted by the US's version of Band Aid (Feed the World?), as, when they were recording the track, champagne and caviar was laid on for all the stars - he rightly saw them as "missing the point".

sheffco

02-07-2005, 12:45

Why is everyone bleating on about Africa? Don't we have enough problems to solve here in the UK?
Why is my Partner - No Spring Chicken - Insisting that we have to watch these wrinkly old popstars who are only out to inflate their ego's and bank balance?
An excuse for the presenters to look serious, and trot out the same old platitudes.
Write off the debt? No need to - use the money generated by this old boys get together.

brooksy

02-07-2005, 12:50

No the concert isnt necessary as such but the issue it covers maybe is.Theres already a post about the g8 situation on the chit chat section disscusing your points, which i agree with .:thumbsup:

skny

02-07-2005, 13:16

I'll not be watching it. I find the concept of a bunch of unbelievably wealthy megastars flying down by private chopper from their mansions for an afternoon and trying to make the rest of us feel guilty for not being poor, pretty ironic. Elton John, Madonna and U2 alone could probably make poverty history in a pretty significant part of africa if they just put their money where their mouths are.

Should be us..everyday people with mortgages, debt etc... making rich artists and corporations feel guilty, not t'other way round.

robbie

02-07-2005, 13:23

I have 2 problems with Live8

1: there are 200,000 people there who won free tickets. Surely if you charged £20 per ticket you would raise a lot of money for Africa.

2: There appears to be a few stars on that gig who dodge paying their taxes to this country by living abroad and spending the maximum number of days that they can here each year. If these people cared so much about others surely they should pay their taxes.

bellis

02-07-2005, 13:27

i wonder if the record companies will be donating any of the profits that there artists will be getting from todays concert ?

BoroughGal

02-07-2005, 13:40

Originally posted by sheffco
Why is everyone bleating on about Africa? Don't we have enough problems to solve here in the UK?

So don't watch it? Don't give to it? No-one is forcing their charity of choice on you.

But just because YOU don't believe in it, it doesn't automatically mean it's not a worthy cause... I might not believe in your charities either, but I shan't critisise you for donating to it, or those that choose to raise money for it.

Ally68

02-07-2005, 13:40

Originally posted by robbie
I have 2 problems with Live8

1: there are 200,000 people there who won free tickets. Surely if you charged £20 per ticket you would raise a lot of money for Africa.

2: There appears to be a few stars on that gig who dodge paying their taxes to this country by living abroad and spending the maximum number of days that they can here each year. If these people cared so much about others surely they should pay their taxes.

I don't think the concert is to raise money for Africa. If that was the case they would have charged for the tickets.

The reason for the concert is to raise awareness to the G8 leaders to what's going on and how many people support it. I applaud Sir Bob Geldof for what he's achieved. He got off his backside and has done something about what he believes in.

There are so many people, and there are quite a few on this forum who complain about things that they don't like but what do they do about it?

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 13:43

Originally posted by Ally68

There are so many people, and there are quite a few on this forum who complain about things that they don't like but what do they do about it?

I really agree with you ally :)

I think anyone who moans about bob geldof using the his popularity fame and connections for something like this is just a spoilsport, really. I salute you, bob. Even if you are a bit cringeworthy sometimes!

Bono, on the other hand...grrr...

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 13:51

What are andrew marr and jonathon woss doing there! Ha ha!

skny

02-07-2005, 14:01

I don't think its strange people think cynically about middle-aged multimillionaires with most of their money in off-shore accounts suddenly developing a social conscience. I exclude Sir bob and bono from that, at least they put the footwork in, and have been doign so for years, but Elton John???? Come on!! And I personally would rather starve than listen to ******* dido.

"If that was the case they would have charged for the tickets" They did, by charging millions of people £1.50 for the chance of getting a ticket via text.

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 14:06

But if elton john plays for free whats the problem? He's not asked for anything for it, least of all our respect - hes just turned up to play a gig!

I think multimillionaires are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I imagine those that don't give publically to charity do so privately do avoid the criticisms of the cynics.

sheffco

02-07-2005, 14:10

My partner has just come up with the reason why I'm against the concert - - - she says I'm too old.
I was in Africa when Live aid was performed, and not much of that filtered down. It just seems to me, that we keep feedin' em, and they keep breedin' em. Seems like "The Black Hole" of the world - - Space wise that is.

skny

02-07-2005, 14:15

The point is, its a tad hypocritical for people who have reaped endless benefits from capitalism to start moaning about one of the byproducts of a system that encourages unequal distribution of wealth. Really, why does Elton John want *US* to give our money when he has quite a lot more to spare? He'll do his 40 minutes on stage, then him and all the rest will be back to their hedonistic lifestyles using £100 bills to snort cocaine off the rumps of groupies.

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 14:16

Yes but live 8 is partly about how aid is futile without changes in governance and global structure - its about debt relief and changing trade restrictions too, so that they can breed em and feed em on their own. To use your expressions.

No really, the point is this isn't about elton john and what he does with his spare time and what his motives are! Its about bigger issues like children dying from HIV!

skny

02-07-2005, 14:25

But EJ could...if he wanted to....have a genuine financial and material effect on problems like that. Not just spend an afternoon of his time telling the rest of us do it.

"aid is futile without changes in governance and global structure" Countries like Sudan are not in thrall to the banking institutionas of the west. Most countries in the EU have unofficially written off debts from the under-developed parts of africa, simply because there is almost no financial structure for those countries to operate on. Countries like rwanda, sudan, somalia...Its anarchy. As for the internal issues that stifle international aid...What can be done, unless you are suggesting "regime change"? Maybe the americans can get involved...hang on...I'm getting flashbacks to Black Hawk Down....

Fareast

02-07-2005, 14:32

I've asked this question in a slightly different form , elsewhere , but , as yet , no-one has seemed to come up with an answer .
If a country like China can pull itself out of poverty and starvation , with a population of 1,200,000,000 and the size of America , with floods , heatwaves and droughts , without constant injections of international cash , why can't small , African countries ? Could it be that the political will doesn't exist ? Could it be that there is a tradition of gross corruption ? Could it be that there isn't a strong tradition of self-discipline , visiion and hard work as there is in China ?
Admittedly , the Chinese authorities have been dictatorial and cruel on some occasions ------but , surely no more so than the Idi Amins ........et .....al of Africa ?

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 14:33

I've just watched elton, he didn't tell anyone to do anything!

And if he did try to "have a genuine financial and material effect on problems like that" what would you say about him then? Or what if he had turned down his invitation to perform at live 8 for fear that people would think he was trying to cash in on it? Would that have helped? Like I said, cos elton has so much cash, he'll never be able to do anything right in the eyes of some people.

No, you're right, I don't have the answers to the problems of governance in africa, but I do think its something we should all be concerned about, thinking about, debating and pressuring our politicians to co-operate and try and get some solutions. Otherwise we just give up hope and that would be too bleak to imagine!

If the very least you can say about this concert is that it 'hasnt hurt' then thats ok, isn't it?

sheffco

02-07-2005, 14:56

How about debating and pressurising our politicians, to solve the problems of health and education here at home?
Geldorf and Bono could sing about peace in Ireland for example.

rosie

02-07-2005, 15:01

I am sorry to anyone this annoys, but I am not sitting watching Live 8 today.

I believe charity starts at home, after doing the 13,000 feet jump on Thursday I did it for Bluebell wood Hospice.
I understand about why they want to raise money and awareness, but what happens in our own backyard should be thought about, than what happens in other parts of the world. We cant get anything right in the world if we cant solve our own problems with poverty.

Fareast

02-07-2005, 15:15

Kathythebean , :-
I don't quite understand what you mean by , "we should all be concerned about " [poverty in Africa ].
Obviously most people don't actually want to see babies dying , starvation ........etc........ but all over the world children are dying in floods , earthquakes , famines , droughts , military violence .......and so on. Some of these disasters are natural and some of them are helped along by Man's greed and lust for power.
But what's the point in saying we should be , "concerned " . We're all , "concerned ". It almost goes without saying . The real point is , can we really do anything about it ? We can all spout platitudes , till the cows come home. The U.N has been singularly ineffective in helping the victims of the Tsomani earthquake . Their , "help " was slow and bogged down by red-tape. The only people who were quick in helping were the American and Australian governments.Yet the U. N. is always wringing its hands and saying how we can all help the poor developing countries [ and help to pay the swollen salaries of U.N. official;s too !].
As I said previously , how can some countries pull themselves out of the mire , against all the odds , whilst others are continually having to ask richer countries to bail them out ?

Ally68

02-07-2005, 15:17

Originally posted by rosie
I am sorry to anyone this annoys, but I am not sitting watching Live 8 today.

I believe charity starts at home, after doing the 13,000 feet jump on Thursday I did it for Bluebell wood Hospice.
I understand about why they want to raise money and awareness, but what happens in our own backyard should be thought about, than what happens in other parts of the world. We cant get anything right in the world if we cant solve our own problems with poverty.

Good for you! I am all for supporting homebased charities aswell. I am planning to run the London Marathon next year for the JDRF (Juvenile Diabetes Research Fund International - sponsors needed!) A cause which I personally would like to help. It does not, however, stop me supporting other causes though.

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 15:32

Originally posted by sheffco
How about debating and pressurising our politicians, to solve the problems of health and education here at home?
Geldorf and Bono could sing about peace in Ireland for example.

Yes they could. Well I do my bit at home as well, volunteering and campaigning, so I don't see it as an either/or thing! Well done rosie for your jump (rather you than me!) - I appreciate that just watching live 8 does nothing to help, but theres no need for everyone to slate it so much. Thats even more of a waste of energy than watching it!

I know how it looks - a load of rich bleeding heart rock stars - I wish they hadn't invited bill gates! - and loads of people waving banners - its not how I would have had it but I haven't organised my own concert that size reaching that many people this week so I'm not going to criticise!

Fareast - it does NOT go without saying that we are all concerned. Maybe you have been living on a different planet?! You and I have very different opinions but at least we are engaging with the problem - there are lots out there who think abi titmuss is more important and interesting than africa!

If you want my opinion on your question about how can some countries pull themselves out of the mire against all odds, etc - then I think comparing africa and china is like comparing a plastic watering can with an elephant :) (eg - one is a continent, the other a country?)

Mod2

02-07-2005, 15:34

At the mo Ms Dynamite is on :mad:

Whats everyone looking forward to now?
Or has your fav artist gone?

Looking forward to The who and PF

Jon

02-07-2005, 15:36

PINK FLOYD :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: I gave up watching it after REM finshed No Chas n Dave i see oh well

Agent Gypo

02-07-2005, 15:41

Rubbish so far. Pete and Elton were awful, and Stereophonics were grim too.

At least it's for a good cause.

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 15:44

Yes I agree - grim. Ms Dynamite's cover of redemption song nearly made me cry. And not in a giving, loving, overwhelmed kind of way.

Joule

02-07-2005, 15:57

I loved it when Coldplay and Richard Ashcroft played my favourite song. :D

By the way. http://www.live8live.com/list

Mathom

02-07-2005, 16:02

The worst things so far have been Keane and Ms Dynamite. They couldn't get the crowd attention. Dido was almost as bad and if it wasn't for Youssou N'Dour she'd have failed too. Elton John's piece was saved entirely by Pete Doherty. I wonder if that was Elton's idea? What they need is The Darkness to get everyone revved up, a la Queen. :D

Ally68

02-07-2005, 16:02

Originally posted by kathythebean
I wish they hadn't invited bill gates! -

You might not like him but he has put his money where his mouth is and has personally donated billions to charity. He will probably be criticised for that aswell because "he can afford it". He doesn't have to but he does.

skny

02-07-2005, 16:10

Its pretty dull really...feckin Bland Aid. The lineups a chartered accountants dream.

slh73

02-07-2005, 16:15

Dido was shocking. Stopped watching it after that.

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 16:25

Well fair enough then :)

I don't have anything personal against the man and I was aware of his philanthropy. He just sort of came on and went, oo yeah, this is great, and walked off!

Agent Gypo

02-07-2005, 16:27

I know they aren't getting paid, but surely the bands could at least try and put on a good show.

Ally68

02-07-2005, 16:28

What a highlight: Bob on stage! Love it!

sheffco

02-07-2005, 16:31

I've managed to pursuade my Bitter half to switch off! Well, go and watch it with a neighbour. There is no cure for Africa, it used to be described as "The White Mans Graveyard" because of the endemic diseases there.
People trotting out figures of "One Baby dying every 3 seconds", and 40,000 dead every day. Well, count the figures here in britain. MRSA?, Do not Resusc in hospitals, no beds available. No money for flood relief, no money for coastal sea defences. We could pay the Council Tax for every old age pensioner in need, with the debt written off by G. Brown, and the millions that will be generated by this concert, would do more for home charities than was wasted on the Dome.
Who produces these figures for the pop-stars to quote?
I'm sure they don't go on the net and find them for themselves.
PR agents, who will themselves be taking a cut of the proceeds.

JoeP

02-07-2005, 16:41

Mod. Note

Threads merged.

Joe

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 16:53

Is this Annie Lennox? Shes pretty good!

Sheffco I think you just dont like it cos you're a miserable get ;)

JoeP

02-07-2005, 16:56

Well, Live8 and Big Brother have combined to make me clean out my garage... ;)

Joe

sheffco

02-07-2005, 17:06

Originally posted by kathythebean
Is this Annie Lennox? Shes pretty good!

Sheffco I think you just dont like it cos you're a miserable get ;)

You must have my phone bugged. I have been called "Victor Meldrew" once or twice.
I do notice though that a few of the younger generation aren't too impressed. The lyrics don't seem to be sincere enough for me.
Enjoyed the Tennis though.

Andy

02-07-2005, 17:23

Originally posted by sheffco
the millions that will be generated by this concert, would do more for home charities than was wasted on the Dome.

The millions generated by this concert will help home charities. As I'm sure you know, some of the money raised from the text-message ticket lottery is being donated to the Princes Trust, which works with young people here in the UK.

Not sure what the Dome has to do with this. :confused:

ginger_lion

02-07-2005, 17:37

uh-oh. surely the beeb are gonna get in big trouble for all the 18-rated swearing. looks like nobody told snoop that it's a family show :(

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 17:45

HELLO Are the people on here talking about charity beginning at home living in the same world as the rest of us?
So where in the UK exactly are entire familes being wiped out by Aids?
Where are the children dying of malaria?
Where are the entire communities with no access to clean water?
Where is the genocide?

You might not like the bands, or the concert (personally I've liked some, not liked others, which for a middle aged women I hope is to be expected!), but please don't question the cause.

Something has to be done - Live8 may not solve the problems, but it is better than doing nothing.

Those 8 men next week really could make a difference. Lets hope for the sake of humanity that they do,

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 17:46

Oh no it's bryan adams :(

Well said clogginchris!

sheffco

02-07-2005, 18:01

Oh no!
My Partners back. Waiting for Robbie? Tennis is over, where do I hide.
Just wish some of the gentle do-gooders would think about sorting out their own country.
We give more to spanish donkeys.
Get letters through the box about debit agreements to support a dog, cat, or an rhino for gods sake.
It's not new, as a child in the 1940's, I was encouraged to ask my mother for a contribution to support the Black babies in Africa. (The Nuns Words, not mine). I actually7 thought we'd bought it!

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 18:04

You seem to think there are two types of people - those who care about people abroad, and those who care about people at home - whereas most of the caring giving people I know care about both. This country is not in such a state cos everyone cares too much about africa you know! Also what about red nose day, and comic relief? And the princes trust and barnados and help the aged and all the rest?

Its ok razorlight are on now they're pretty good :)

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 18:07

I don't know how many more times we need to say this.

Sheffco - just watch my lips:

THIS IS NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUALS GIVING MONEY

It's about changing the attitudes of the leaders of the richest nations in the world to the poorest.

Sighs, and goes back to watch the concert....

sheffco

02-07-2005, 18:19

I agree entirely about changing attitudes of the leading politicians - - of Britain.
They have a lot to sort out here, before they start giving away billions to lost causes

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 18:26

Sons and daughters of people who love them are not lost causes. They are children.

Have you got children?

If one of them died unnecessarily, would you describe it as a lost cause?

Saxon

02-07-2005, 18:27

Just have to say Madonna is awesome!!!:clap:

Andy

02-07-2005, 18:40

Originally posted by sheffco

They have a lot to sort out here, before they start giving away billions to lost causes

Those lost causes are people, just like me and you. The fact they live thousands of miles away does not stop them being members of the human race. If we hadn't been so lucky in the lottery of birth, any of us could have ended up there.

If aliens exist, and they're looking down on our planet, what must they think of the Human race? In parts of the world children die for the want of clean water, or for the want of an injection costing a few pence. In other parts of the world, we think we're poor if we don't have a DVD player or a fridge that makes its own ice.

Yes there are things wrong in the UK, and it's only right and proper that we campaign to improve peoples standards of living here. This doesn't mean we can't support Africa too.

skny

02-07-2005, 18:43

"It's about changing the attitudes of the leaders of the richest nations in the world to the poorest."

Come on....how can a gang of megastar millionaires presume to speak for the rest of us? Elton john spent £300,000 in 2002 sending flowers to his friends. U2 charged a hundred euros a ticket for their concert in Dublin. These people represent the worst excesses of "decadent" western consumerism.

I bet they worry more about their choons being ripped off on the internet than they do about starving kids in Sudan.

sheffco

02-07-2005, 18:44

If one of them died unecesserily because of a lack of space or funds in britain, I would count it very culpable on a government who fritters away billions on a lost cause.
Grow up lady.
Sort the british health service out first. Before posing emotive questions.

Andy

02-07-2005, 18:48

Originally posted by skny

Come on....how can a gang of megastar millionaires presume to speak for the rest of us? Elton john spent £300,000 in 2002 sending flowers to his friends. U2 charged a hundred euros a ticket for their concert in Dublin. These people represent the worst excesses of "decadent" western consumerism.

I bet they worry more about their choons being ripped off on the internet than they do about starving kids in Sudan.

Even if they do, does that mean we shouldn't care?

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 18:49

SKNY I don't care about the excesses of the groups who are doing Live8 today. What i care about is the fact that this event is raising awareness of the terrible poverty that exists in Africa and hopefully influencing those who can do something about it.

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 18:54

Sheffco, at least we have a health service. Most people in Africa don't have that luxury (luxury, necessity, basic human right?).

And why shouldn't I ask emotive questions? Children dying unnecessarily is emotive.

I note you think I should grow up. If that makes me as heartlesss as you, then no thank you.

sheffco

02-07-2005, 19:00

Cloggin. By all means give your money away to a lost cause. it's your perogative.
Don't ask me to condone the government giving away billions to the leaders of nations who won't help their own people.
I'm not heartless, I've worked there.
More realist!

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 19:12

Oh for heavens sake, how many more times do we have to say this.

I AM NOT GIVING MY MONEY TO ANYONE. THIS EVENT IS NOT ABOUT CHARITY.

It is about changing political attitidues to make sure that the genocide that is happening in Africa is eradicated. How can anyone with even a tiny bit of compassion argue with that.

skyfitsboy

02-07-2005, 19:12

Originally posted by Saxon
Just have to say Madonna is awesome!!!:clap:

She was FAB :clap: :clap:

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 19:13

I wish I looked like Joss Stone :(

miniminch

02-07-2005, 19:21

Originally posted by kathythebean
I wish I looked like Joss Stone :( so do I!!!:D

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 19:24

Originally posted by miniminch
so do I!!!:D

I thought you liked me as I am ;)

sheffco

02-07-2005, 19:27

Originally posted by clogginchris
Oh for heavens sake, how many more times do we have to say this.

I AM NOT GIVING MY MONEY TO ANYONE. THIS EVENT IS NOT ABOUT CHARITY.

It is about changing political attitidues to make sure that the genocide that is happening in Africa is eradicated. How can anyone with even a tiny bit of compassion argue with that.

Oh For heavens sake, are you advocating a war then? You won't change the attitudes in Africa by singing a few songs, you can only change things by removing certain self interested leaders.
God! the forum has gone on about the mess in Iraq, are you suggesting that the political attitudes should decide that the governments in Africa need to be replaced?
Sad to see pictures of babies with flies in their eyes, the media love to pick them out.
Think of the leaders with their villas and limousines.
Think of who benefits.
Spend it on schools and inner cities I say.

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 19:42

Originally posted by sheffco
Sad to see pictures of babies with flies in their eyes, the media love to pick them out.
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Well, that about sums you up doesn't it.

Enough said.

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 19:44

There's a funny mariah carey quote like that " I hate to see pictures of starving children - I mean, I'd love to be skinny, but not with all flies and death and stuff"

*Ryan*

02-07-2005, 19:48

i dunno if any1s already put this but snoop dog was amazing!! swearing at 6pm, naughty boy, haha

miniminch

02-07-2005, 19:55

Originally posted by kathythebean
I thought you liked me as I am ;) Yeah, don't go changing! The occasional bath wouldn't go amiss tho.

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 20:00

Yeah snoop dog was great, jonathon woss looked so embarressed after he'd been on :)

Miniminch - the occasional what?

rosie

02-07-2005, 20:06

Clogginchris

I have 4 children. Do you seriously think you are going to change the way the politicians think by having celebrities play their songs. What planet do you live on.

We have in this country, a problems with
underage preganancys
underage drinking
beggers on the street intimidating people
childline calls rising due to abuse rising
Bullying increasing
Homeless people on the street

When do we start in this country sorting ourselves out.

I have four children and I do care, why do you think I jumped out of a plane, for fun. I help those in Yorkshire.
I can see babaies pictures here that have been starved and abused.

Why do we have to change peoples minds about poverty in the world, we realise its there but sometimes we have to look closer to home to start to work things out.

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 20:09

Oh rosie its not an either or thing tho is it?! It doesn't have to be! You can donate/fundraise/volunteer for projects abroad and at home, can't you?

People like us who really care should not be ripping each other we should be getting at the people who dont do anything!

We have started sorting ourselves out, there are good people, who work tirelessly to try and sort out the problems you mentioned. There is nothing wrong with having a bit of love for other countries too, it doesn't mean you're neglecting your own. If you have 4 children surely you understand.

oldowl

02-07-2005, 20:20

i quite agree charity begins at home, but the blinkers are on good day i agree i went to the original live aid concert i think this will make a lot of pop and rock stars richer

http://metta.redirectme.net:7777/listen.pls

tune in and win :clap:

rosie

02-07-2005, 20:25

I volunteer and I do things for charity. I have spent 24 years so far as a mum looking after my own.

I know its not an either, or ,but we in this country have not got it right.

Does it not concern you our own children are not safe on the streets to play as they should.
I have one daughter, I worry about her and her future, thats what I consider important at the moment. I dont see the government too bothered about that important issue.

I have always had to think of myself and my family, since I was 12.

I know children in other countries are suffering, yes its sad but
you will never get to the people that do nothing, because they dont care at all.
I just dont think you will change politions minds that have already decided how much they will help and how far they will go.

metalman

02-07-2005, 20:30

Have just seen Craig David 'performing' in Paris and then got into trouble with my other half for calling him a t*sser in front of my young daughter. Personally I think that however good the cause, there is no excuse for Craig David, and if every child was taught at a very young age that he is a t*sser, the world would be a better place. Fortunately it seems that she is unlikely to hear of him ever again.

And is that the bloke from Guns n Roses in Velvet Revolver, whoever they are?

Kthebean

02-07-2005, 20:32

Yes, there is no need for Craig David. Eliminate him.

Well, all I can say is that the government are doing things to make the country safer, etc. and so am I and a lot of others.

To criticise Live 8 cos things aren't great here is just daft.

oldowl

02-07-2005, 20:39

Originally posted by rosie
I volunteer and I do things for charity. I have spent 24 years so far as a mum looking after my own.

I know its not an either, or ,but we in this country have not got it right.

Does it not concern you our own children are not safe on the streets to play as they should.
I have one daughter, I worry about her and her future, thats what I consider important at the moment. I dont see the government too bothered about that important issue.

I have always had to think of myself and my family, since I was 12.

I know children in other countries are suffering, yes its sad but
you will never get to the people that do nothing, because they dont care at all.
I just dont think you will change politions minds that have already decided how much they will help and how far they will go.

its the way of the world pc correctness stinks me and my mates were a aproached 30 odd years ago to go with some person its not new just more publisised

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 20:40

Rosie - I have 2 children,4 stepchildren and 2 grand children. Of course I care about them and about this country. But, and this is a big but, our situation is nothing like the situation in Africa. Can you imagine how it must be to have no clean water for your children? To watch most of your chldren die before they reach the age of 5? To hold your children in your arms as they die of preventable diseases such as Aids and TB?

The things you mention are bad, but nothing like as bad as the things happening in Africa at the moment.

The people dying are people's sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, husbands and wives. They are not just statistics.

Something has to be done. If we really are a civilised world, we cannot continue to let this happen. Live8 might not solve the problem, but, as I've said before, it has to be better than doing nothing. If you have any better sugestions for helping to solve one of the biggest humanitarian crises that has ever happened, then please, share it with us.

Andy78

02-07-2005, 20:48

I think this country is improving. It's whole lot safer than the country I grew up in as a child. We are more aware of the dangers because of media coverage these days, but that doesn't mean that it was safer years ago, we just read more about it now.

It's in the interest of the world to help Africa trade as a self sufficient country. Britain is not going to go to the dogs in the process. Britain will continue to develop as it always has done. I for one am grateful that I live in a country where my life expectancy is considerably high and I'm am pretty damn safe. Our NHS may not be perfect, but it will surely improve. The fact that we have an NHS is a luxury compared to any other country.

Why do we need as load of rich pop stars to get our attention. Well, quite simply because it works. As a nation we are more likely to listen to famous pop stars than our own politicians. It's probably not right, but it's the way it is.

PS. Why Mariah Carey?

oldowl

02-07-2005, 20:48

im back to what i said live aid twenty years ago was a fantastic day i was there but after 20 years its still the same ****e no one gives a **** im allright jack attitude wont change never will
its complete ****** it will not change anything they will listen and thats about all i will stand with egg on my face if it does.

Mathom

02-07-2005, 20:49

metalman - I can never shake the idea of Craig David carrying round his kestrel and wetting his underpants like in Bo Selecta. :hihi:

Tis worth watching it on digital then you can switch to another country when something pants comes on. I fel much the same way about Sting. I cannot watch the guy without getting the hoodoos thinking about him having tantric sex. *shudder* :gag:

oldowl

02-07-2005, 20:54

Originally posted by oldowl
im back to what i said live aid twenty years ago was a fantastic day i was there but after 20 years its still the same ****e no one gives a **** im allright jack attitude wont change never will
its complete ****** it will not change anything they will listen and thats about all i will stand with egg on my face if it does.

is that a bit of jealousy mate

http://metta.redirectme.net:7777/listen.pls

Ally68

02-07-2005, 20:56

Originally posted by Andy78
.

PS. Why Mariah Carey?

Exactly!

oldowl

02-07-2005, 21:00

dont know what to reply, the day is good the cause is questionable

JoeP

02-07-2005, 21:16

Originally posted by kathythebean

There is nothing wrong with having a bit of love for other countries too, it doesn't mean you're neglecting your own. If you have 4 children surely you understand.

I was reading in The Times today the details of where money given in aid has been either siphoned off to by Mercedes Cars or put in to totally inappropriate projects that have not really taken on board local situations.

If we're going to be concerned about Africa, then we need to do what we can to impact the lives of the people who are suffering. Reducing debt, whilst it might have benefits for the country concerned in terms of the Government and economy (and possibly the powers that be in that country) , might nOT actually impact the people who suffer.

Small projects that are funded by micro-charities with people on the ground - GBP 10,000 for a school and a teacher, for example - might have more benefit on the day to day lives of those in poverty than all the debt reduction we can give, because there is no indication that reducing that debt will actually cause the countries concerned to help their poor.

By focussing on the G8 and Debt reduction, I actually believe that it oversimplifies the problem and whilst making the chattering classes feel good about 'changing the world' may not actually help at the sharp end.

Joe

Ally68

02-07-2005, 21:36

The Who - Just Class! just to prove great music never ages!

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 21:58

The Who were fantastic. Can't wait for the Floyd.....

Ally68

02-07-2005, 22:01

Me too! I was priveliged to see them live. OK it wasn't the original line up but it was and still is the best live concert I have ever seen! :thumbsup:

clogginchris

02-07-2005, 22:32

and the Floyd were just fantastic. Wouldn't it be great if they got back together for some more concerts?

littleboo

02-07-2005, 22:51

Pink Floyd were great this evening, I think that the whole event has been wonderful, credit to everyone who performed.

let's hope it will make a difference!

The site of George Michael has brightened my day, even if it was very brief!!

BAZZO

03-07-2005, 00:04

So much for the Live Aid performers.Thought we were to see
the big names in the business.But where was Max Byegraves,Sir Cliff Richard,Ronnie Ronald -and other top-line acts that have filled theatres for years.
There seemed too much emphasis on student-friendly turns rather than all-round entertainers.But as it's "fer charity" any old luther van dross will do.
As this was helping the poor Africans it might have been nice to
put on a Black & White Minstrel special which was popular for many years on Saturday nights TV.

Ally68

03-07-2005, 00:12

Originally posted by BAZZO
So much for the Live Aid performers.Thought we were to see
the big names in the business.But where was Max Byegraves,Sir Cliff Richard,Ronnie Ronald -and other top-line acts that have filled theatres for years.
There seemed too much emphasis on student-friendly turns rather than all-round entertainers.But as it's "fer charity" any old luther van dross will do.
As this was helping the poor Africans it might have been nice to
put on a Black & White Minstrel special which was popular for many years on Saturday nights TV.

Tell me this is just a wind up!?

Jon

03-07-2005, 00:21

Madonna and razorlight stole the show for me even thou i'm a big Pink Floyd Fan nice to see Roger letting Dave sing the songs

Ant

03-07-2005, 06:31

even thou i'm a big Pink Floyd Fan nice to see Roger letting Dave sing the songs

Not a big Floyd fan, but they were ok. It's suprising that the guy who sang lead didn't used to (if that's what you're saying) as I thought he had an excellent voice.

And I thought Snoopy McDogg was dire. He just swore a lot, which doesn't make him any better. No-one's shocked by it these days, it's just sad.

Ditz

03-07-2005, 08:30

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
Rubbish so far. Pete and Elton were awful, and Stereophonics were grim too.

At least it's for a good cause.

stereophonics and paul macca were absolutely brill!! the best bit at the end wen they all started playing hey jude!! i loved the opening Sgt Peppers lonely hearts club although im very disapointed with liverpool city coucil cos afetr 7:50 they turned off the coverage on the big screen! so had to listen to the rest on the radio!! they said the reason for shutting it early was becuase it would 'cause disruption to the neighbours' but what neighbours!? the big screen was surrounded by a load of retail shops which were empty! were they worried that the buildings wudnt get enough sleep?
i wudnt mind but it was in a secluded corner and u cud not hear it until u turned the corner! god i hate councils! what did evry1 think of the concert?

tosh13

03-07-2005, 10:28

Not a patch on the original Live Aid & Pete Doherty was a disgrace what was Geldof thinking about getting a piece of trash like him on stage with Elton John & destroying a great Bolan track & Elton kissing him after made me feel sick,according to todays paper Doherty was smashed out of his brains backstage going on about him & the stick insect(Moss) singing a duet & no one was interested,all the great stars on show yesterday for a great cause & Doherty spoiled it for me .The Who were fantastic.

brooksy

03-07-2005, 11:18

My daughter missed the who last night and being a big fan is gutted , anyone got any links showing footage of them. cheers:thumbsup:

Ally68

03-07-2005, 11:23

Originally posted by brooksy
My daughter missed the who last night and being a big fan is gutted , anyone got any links showing footage of them. cheers:thumbsup:

I think I heard them say that the concert will be repeated on BBC 3 this week.

uncleheed

03-07-2005, 18:07

It was very mediocre.What was missing was that "Queen" moment from 1985 when everyone realised that they were ther to enjoy themselves.

Plus Freddie showed us all what putting on a show is all about,and that is what was missing.

Mod2

03-07-2005, 18:30

Maddy

03-07-2005, 18:32

Originally posted by uncleheed
It was very mediocre.What was missing was that "Queen" moment from 1985 when everyone realised that they were ther to enjoy themselves.

Plus Freddie showed us all what putting on a show is all about,and that is what was missing.

I agree, didn't stop people trying to make a 'Queen Moment' though. I lost track after a while of people trying to get the crowd to do scales or 'yeahs' back to them.
Only one rock star could get that many people to practice their operatic scales for no good reason and he sadly died over a decade ago :(

Other than Dido not being able to sing it was good to watch though :D

tosh13

03-07-2005, 19:02

Originally posted by Mod2
Their performance wasn't that good
Queens performance got Live Aid out of the doldrums,Freddy Mercury brought it back to life,what a great performance from the worlds greatest showman.We Will Rock You

Mod2

03-07-2005, 19:15

Originally posted by tosh13
Queens performance got Live Aid out of the doldrums,Freddy Mercury brought it back to life,what a great performance from the worlds greatest showman.We Will Rock You

As i said, i don't think it was that good

uncleheed

03-07-2005, 19:16

uncleheed

03-07-2005, 19:20

Originally posted by Mod2
As i said, i don't think it was that good

Their performance may not have been virtuoso(sp),but it what was needed at the time.Someone to hold the audience in complete awe,and lift them all for the rest of the day.

Only someone with Freddies charisma could do that.

And that its what was missing yesterday.

Mod2

03-07-2005, 19:24

Originally posted by uncleheed
Their performance may not have been virtuoso(sp),but it what was needed at the time.Someone to hold the audience in complete awe,and lift them all for the rest of the day.

Only someone with Freddies charisma could do that.

And that its what was missing yesterday.

Yeah they got people going, fair enough, But i don't think they were the best

Mathom

03-07-2005, 20:13

Brooksy - you could also try AOL's music channel, it seemed like they were going to bring up a thing where you could choose which peformances to watch online again.

I still liked the Pete Doherty performance. He might be a t****r but we always need a couple of rock stars who get up everyone's noses. Pink Floyd were ace. Kaiser Chiefs were good too, but I thought much of the US stuff was boring sadly; Graham Norton also said Def Leppard were "Leeds' Finest"...

antics

03-07-2005, 22:41

The whole thing is a big bag of ****e, more fool anyone who allowed themselves to be brainwashed.

Lickszz

03-07-2005, 22:45

Originally posted by Ditz
stereophonics and paul macca were absolutely brill!!
Incidentally, I saw a picture of Paul McCartney in the paper... you'd think with all that money he could find a more convincing wig :rolleyes:

Happy_Guy

04-07-2005, 10:39

I thought Pink Floyd and The Who were great

foo_fighter

04-07-2005, 11:58

Originally posted by Mathom
...Graham Norton also said Def Leppard were "Leeds' Finest"...
Yeh, I noticed that too...

...eejit!

:loopy:

I had to agree with Fern (of the telly) that for me Velvet Revolver stole the show...

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

...but looking at the audience at Hyde Park, I was obviously in the minority.

;)

nez75

04-07-2005, 19:15

Originally posted by antics
The whole thing is a big bag of ****e, more fool anyone who allowed themselves to be brainwashed.

Too right, well said mate. Saturday was just about ego's. And i'm not being cynical. How much did the back stage free buffet and free bar cost? How much left over food was there left? Where was it sent? How many tons of rubbish and other crap did the thousands of spectator's leave? How many half eaten burger's and hot dog's were discarded?

Why did Madonna have a 60 square foot dressing room and her African backing band have to cram into a trailer between all of them?

Why did "Sir" Paul McCartney also have a 60 foot square dressing room? Why did Elton John throw a backstage party with free drinks and a buffet?

Why was there an alcohol ban for the spectator's? What a load of rubbish it all was. Why can't Bono and Geldoff give up there millions for Africa instead of preaching to all the hard working people of this country who probably can't afford to do there weekly shopping or afford new clothes for there kids?

Why can't Bono donate some of his 5 star hotels that he owns to all the starving Africans instead of the capitalist businessmen who stay in them who he supposedly despises?

What a load of rubbish it all is. I'll never be brainwashed by egocentric rock stars who are only after their own ego building self centred selves.

Rant over.

uncleheed

04-07-2005, 19:49

Originally posted by nez75
Too right, well said mate. Saturday was just about ego's. And i'm not being cynical. How much did the back stage free buffet and free bar cost? How much left over food was there left? Where was it sent? How many tons of rubbish and other crap did the thousands of spectator's leave? How many half eaten burger's and hot dog's were discarded?

Why did Madonna have a 60 square foot dressing room and her African backing band have to cram into a trailer between all of them?

Why did "Sir" Paul McCartney also have a 60 foot square dressing room? Why did Elton John throw a backstage party with free drinks and a buffet?

Why was there an alcohol ban for the spectator's? What a load of rubbish it all was. Why can't Bono and Geldoff give up there millions for Africa instead of preaching to all the hard working people of this country who probably can't afford to do there weekly shopping or afford new clothes for there kids?

Why can't Bono donate some of his 5 star hotels that he owns to all the starving Africans instead of the capitalist businessmen who stay in them who he supposedly despises?

What a load of rubbish it all is. I'll never be brainwashed by egocentric rock stars who are only after their own ego building self centred selves.

Rant over.
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Post of the year so far

mojoworking

05-07-2005, 04:59

According to some of the newspapers this morning, several of the acts who played at Live8 on Sunday have seen their CD sales increase by over 1000% (that's ONE THOUSAND per cent).

Is that fair enough reward for donating their valuable time to a good cause, or was it all just a cynical publicity stunt on the back of what many feel is virtually a lost cause?

LordChaverly

05-07-2005, 09:10

Originally posted by mojoworking
According to some of the newspapers this morning, several of the acts who played at Live8 on Sunday have seen their CD sales increase by over 1000% (that's ONE THOUSAND per cent).

Is that fair enough reward for donating their valuable time to a good cause, or was it all just a cynical publicity stunt on the back of what many feel is virtually a lost cause?

Its worth remembering also that U2 only cracked America, and became a so-called 'supergroup', after their performance at the Band Aid concert in 1984. Giving a free concert in return for enoromous free publicity doesn't seem such a bad deal. There is also something rather unseemly about these multi millionare rock stars lecturing the rest of us about inequalities in global wealth and also something rather absurd about their efforts to educate us about the intricacies of international finance and development economics.

Lea1979

05-07-2005, 09:18

just a question to all those who say Live8 was a waste of time, money, etc etc

what would you do to Make Poverty History ?

mojoworking

05-07-2005, 09:23

Originally posted by LordChaverly
Its worth remembering also that U2 only cracked America, and became a so-called 'supergroup', after their performance at the Band Aid concert in 1984. Giving a free concert in return for enoromous free publicity doesn't seem such a bad deal. There is also something rather unseemly about these multi millionare rock stars lecturing the rest of us about inequalities in global wealth and also something rather absurd about their efforts to educate us about the intricacies of international finance and development economics.

To his credit Pink Floyd's David Gilmour has just announced that he will donate any money from CDs sold since Live8 to charity. Dunno how they will work it out, though

Greenback

05-07-2005, 09:38

Originally posted by LordChaverly
There is also something rather unseemly about these multi millionare rock stars lecturing the rest of us about inequalities in global wealth and also something rather absurd about their efforts to educate us about the intricacies of international finance and development economics.

Why is it absurd? These musicians may not hold Professorships or have a comprehensive knowledge of the role of the IMF as opposed to the World Bank, but they've certainly stimulated a more learned discussion over Africa in the quality media.

Or perhaps these issues should only be discussed in closed circles by people who have a vast knowledge of arcane economic terminology?

Sneer all you like, but Live 8 has put Africa firmly on the world agenda.

LordChaverly

05-07-2005, 11:45

Originally posted by Greenback
Why is it absurd? These musicians may not hold Professorships or have a comprehensive knowledge of the role of the IMF as opposed to the World Bank, but they've certainly stimulated a more learned discussion over Africa in the quality media.

Or perhaps these issues should only be discussed in closed circles by people who have a vast knowledge of arcane economic terminology?

Sneer all you like, but Live 8 has put Africa firmly on the world agenda.

I am not saying that these rock megastars should not have views on these issues. What I am saying is that we should not take them any more seriously than the views of anyone else. We certainly should not take their pronouncements at face value.

To give one example, Geldoff announced to the world on the Jonathan Ross programme a couple of weeks ago that the bodies of thousands of Africans were being washed up daily on the Italian island of Lampedusa and that there was no room left to bury them, so cargo ships were being sent to fill up with these corpses. A journalist was so suspicious of this claim that he decided to investigate (see the Times report for June 24). The Mayor of Lampedusa was contacted and he said the story was absolute nonsense. In the words of the Times article by Mick Hume, 'there are not bodies washing up daily, no overflowing cemeteries or burial fields and no cargo ships'.

This of course is but one example, which might be dismissed as an aberration. However, most of the pronouncements of the megastars in my opinion consist of superficial diagnoses and 'solutions', underpinned by 'killer' facts (many of which are highly dubious and at the very least need to be subject to scrutiny).

The argument often used to justify and legitimise the role of rock stars in world affairs is that they have a platform because of their celebrity and therefore have a moral obligation to use it as a force for good. Well, if they have something to say, I will listen to them. But don't expect me to give their views any more credence than those of anyone else. The fact that these (usually poorly educated) megastars are fawned on and pampered by their underlings as they move from one five star hotel to another, and that they are able to meet and converse with world leaders (entirely because of their celebrity may I add - the world's leaders may even secretly despise them) probably gives them an inflated opinion of their own importance - even delusions of moral grandeur.

As for the argument about 'awareness raising' by celebrities, well this may have some credence, but probably a lot less than its proponents maintain. Live8 was actually caused by growing awareness of Africa's plight rather than the other way round. There was already a lot of coverage about African maldevelopment, and certainly a lot of awareness about it within governmental circles, international institutions and NGOs before Live8. It might be argued of course that, if Live8 was jumping on an already rolling bandwagon, then it succeeeded in making the bandwagon bigger. Well, time will tell. We will see if Live8 is any more successful than Band Aid. I personally doubt it very much, not only because of the 'solutions' being proferred by Geldoff and Bono are superficial and deeply flawed, but also because of the superficial impact which the Live8 bandwagon is likely to have in the longer term on public opinion and world leaders (in contrast, the impact on the CD sales of the celebrity consciences is likely to be anything but superficial or intangible. I am not arguing that their motives are cynical. We are deluding ourselves though if we think that charitable events such as Live8 involve even a modicum of self-sacrifice on the part of the artists involved).

madowl

05-07-2005, 12:02

I cant belive that there are people who are not affected by this whole "live8" concert, if people can be happy while others starve to death, and not want to help, then your not human, everyday thousands of kids die from hunger...... its pathetic, as a human i cant watch these people die without, feeling hurt that more should be done...people die from aids everyday all over the world, but in africa its out of control, these people need our help....from helping run "their" goverment to make things fair for everone, stop the wars, help the poor and feed the starving millions, How can we sit back and just watch them die??
No matter where we are born we all have a right to life, and we can all help each other, but some of us find helping ourselves to be more important.....:gag:
The world is a small place and no matter of race, colour, religion, beliefs, or place of birth, we are all human and should all be treated like one.
Does it matter who puts this in the publics eye? i say well done B/G at least he stands up for what he belives is right!!:thumbsup: