Does anyone know? I know it's on the 15th - 17th June but need to make sure that my journey into work isn't going to be disrupted by the security measures. There will be an increased police presence in the city centre as demonstrations are only to be allowed on Devonshire Green. Also, groups of more than two people could be arrested for being a potential mob.

I know this has been discussed recently but I can't find it using the search because it wont let me enter G8 as a keyword

I found this thread (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27969&highlight=summit) but it doesn't say exactly where the summit will be held.

its up in gleneagles isn't it?

I have it on good knowledge that it is either the crucible or lyceum.

Kenwood Hotel - Nether Edge, the whole place has been combed and areas closed off for weeks.

Originally posted by mikey
Kenwood Hotel - Nether Edge, the whole place has been combed and areas closed off for weeks.

Isnt that where the peeps are staying? and the conference is in the city centre?

Look hereG8 Lockdown (http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/press/news/release.asp?akey=2782)

Looks like half of the city centre will be closed.

M

Thanks everyone - it'll be fun trying to get my daughter to nursery, it's right by the Marriot

Originally posted by scottf
its up in gleneagles isn't it?

The main G8 summit is at Gleneagles. The Sheffield event is a pre-summit meeting of the G8 finance ministers. I think.

G8? In sheffield? How has this passed me by?

Home Office bit of the G8 is in Sheffield...Nimrod has been doing circuits over Netheredge for the last couple of weeks....

Jeez, seems pretty big.. So its a mini summit am i correct ?
It cant be the big G8 SUMMIT, thts in like london and geneva and things isnt it...
why sheffield then :S

Originally posted by AndrewC
G8? In sheffield? How has this passed me by?

No idea, I know and i'm in London! Even Connie Rice is rumoured to be attending. Hate this bunch of b*ggers but it's a good showcase for Sheffield.

M

It certainly will be a big deal for Sheffield as it would any city, report from The Star on the G8 summit below:

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=996225

Originally posted by Knoxville
groups of more than two people could be arrested for being a potential mob.


Any proof for this?

Originally posted by skyfitsboy
It certainly will be a big deal for Sheffield as it would any city, report from The Star on the G8 summit below:

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=996225

So it seems to be a meeting of law enforcement ministers. Perhaps David Blunkett picked the venue when he was HS ?

Just hope the govt. are paying for all the police overtime and extra security and not the council tax payers. :suspect:

Originally posted by Greybeard
Just hope the govt. are paying for all the police overtime and extra security and not the council tax payers. :suspect:

How miserable are you?!

I believe that funding comes from central government for policing of the event and associated logistics. Even if the City Council was to bear the costs of the summit it would be worthwhile in terms of international coverage that Sheffield gets. In fact, the cost would be at least matched by local spending on hotel rooms, restaurants and other local services taken up by the hundreds of journalists who will also be in the city.

M

PS - sorry for the snipe but this attitude really bugs me: that nothing is really worth the bother if you have to pay for it. It's shortsighted and backwards. You really are an old Yorkshireman.

Hot off the presses at SYPTE :

"The Transport Executive would like to inform passengers that there will be some changes to public transport services in Sheffield city centre during the G8 Summit.

As part of the arrangements for the event there will be some city centre road closures on Wednesday 15 and Thursday 16 June, which will affect some rush hour and evening bus and tram services.

During the road closures buses will be unable to access certain bus stops so the services affected will pick up and drop off at nearby bus stops to ensure minimal disruption to passengers.

Supertram will also be affected by the road closures on the 16 June, with trams terminating at Castle Square and Hanover Way for both inward and outbound journeys.

Clear instructions informing people of the temporary bus stops will be placed on board vehicles and trams and at bus and tram stops in the city centre from week commencing Monday 13 June.

Alternatively passengers can call the Transport Executive’s Traveline on 01709 51 51 51 where staff will be on hand throughout the week to provide travel information for all public transport. Traveline is open from 07:00 - 22:00 every day. "

I think I may take those days off work.... :)

Joe

Where is Hanover Way ?

It will do poeple some good to have walk through town.

Originally posted by nick2
Where is Hanover Way ?

It will do poeple some good to have walk through town.

Dual carriageway at the top of West Street - University Roundabout etc.

Oh and walk through town, :suspect: good one. They're shutting off the town centre so we can't all spit on Condoleeza Rice as we would so much like to. Anyone catering for them at the Marriot I will actually pay you to put something nasty in her drinks/soup.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
so we can't all spit on Condoleeza Rice as we would so much like to.

I'm sensing that you're not a fan of hers.

Originally posted by nick2
I'm sensing that you're not a fan of hers.

Well I know that saying what I did doesn't make me sound like the most reputable person in the world, or back up my stance as a peaceful protestor...(I'm a nice girl really), but look up her history and then tell me you don't want to do something unpleasant to her soup as well.

Is Condy coming to Sheffield? I was under the impression that the Sheffield meeting was simply the justice ministers from the G8 countries rather than the 'big guns' who will attend the real deal in Scotland. I'd be very interested to know who is attending Sheffield.

Originally posted by Sheffette
Is Condy coming to Sheffield? I was under the impression that the Sheffield meeting was simply the justice ministers from the G8 countries rather than the 'big guns' who will attend the real deal in Scotland. I'd be very interested to know who is attending Sheffield.

Only what I've been told. It;s in a lot of the publicity.

Any idea what routes pedestrians WILL be able to use through the city centre?

i heard it on the radio today about the police stopping people who live up nether edge and checking everyone and their backgrounds for this meeting.
well my reaction is WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING TO THE WORLD why the hell should we be checked out in our own homes and stopped getting to our own house which we work our nut off to pay for to be checked were not planning to assasionate (bad spelling) the VIPs .when realy we will be trying to get shut of them and get back to normal .
I think im right about what im saying but if not im sure one of you forum people will put me right .

cheers for listening to my groan

Personally I'd rather be living there than at the 'designated protest area' where I am now, but maybe it won't kick off. We'll just have to wait and see.

I live approximately 400 yards from the venue.

I can't begin to tell you how totally P'd off I am about all the disruption that's going to happen, what with alterations to bus routes, roads closed off, etc.

and as for all this gubbins about town being closed off, on Wednesday... this is going to foul up my plans for my wednesday night out, as it will, no doubt, for tons of folk.

Why they can't just stick to the Edinbro' venue, i just don't know.

P "fed up" T

Is it at the Marriot then? I always seem to glaze over when it's on the news and skip those bits in the paper.

surely theres a venue in the countryside where this can be held to avoid majour disruption

Don't even mention it. I've got a meeting across the road from the Marriots front gate on Wednesday afternoon! God knows what it's going to be like. I'm NOT happy.

Lighten up folks - we have an international interest in our city for a few days, and all we can do is complain a few roads are going to close! The closures, etc, have been publicised well in advance, and I'm sure we can all go about our daily lives without great inconvenience.
I'm sure a few hours' of closures, increased security activity and minor disruption is a lot better than the effects of a bomb exploding....

A few years ago a minor royal came to Sheffield one afternoon and the place was gridlocked - took me hours to get home. And look what happens when we get a bit of snow. Even this Monday, following the hit and run in Broomhill, there were big traffic problems.

Sheffield's too congested already to cope with big events like the G8 meetings. Yeah, the security's better than a bomb going off (which is a bit of a minor risk anyway), but I'd rather they didn't come at all. The possibility of getting stuck in traffic for hours isn't of any benefit to me or anyone else.

Where is all this published?

If you live in nether edge you get a leaflet through the door.

I have to say, the risk of a bomb going off in Sheff would be even lower if they had chosen a more suitable venue, i.e. Kinshasa or maybe Darfur....

If I get stopped and asked any questions I shall declare I'm a terrorist.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
If I get stopped and asked any questions I shall declare I'm a terrorist.

Careful... I expect the Police will be carrying guns.

Besides, Sheffield's emergency services are not noted for their sense of humour :nono:

Originally posted by J-Blaze
If I get stopped and asked any questions I shall declare I'm a terrorist.
Enjoy that long stay in "Belmarsh" won't you. :D

Originally posted by Abdul
Careful... I expect the Police will be carrying guns.

Besides, Sheffield's emergency services are not noted for their sense of humour :nono:

I very much doubt I will be shot for announcing I'm a terrorist. If I am however I shall say my goodbyes now.

Bye bye all.

Originally posted by simjns
surely theres a venue in the countryside where this can be held to avoid majour disruption

Yep, it's called Gleneagles.

Urgh. Well in a press conference on Tuesday morning the police changed their minds, and town should be open as usual on Wednesday after all, despite the meetingers having their tea in the WInter Gardens. Obviously there will be a strong police prescence though.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
...the meetingers having their tea in the WInter Gardens.

We've got all these really important people coming to our city, so what do we do? Buy them a sandwich from Zoobys? :confused:

I bet the delightful proprietors at Zoobies will be simply delighted :| to have the G8 secret policemen's ball on their doorstep.

But then we have all heard the utterly heartwarming tales of how the Gleneagles G8 conference is going to be 'carbon neutral' and they will all be eating nothing but local or fair trade produce, so maybe they will be eating at zoobies after all...

Or perhaps the Dzerzhinsky wannabes don't bother with niceties like that.

what would you prefer. Sheffielfd get NO big events and are ignored or Sheffield get a big event and we suffer the disruption for 2 days?

Originally posted by simjns
surely theres a venue in the countryside where this can be held to avoid majour disruption
Surely you remember the major disruption at a venue in the countryside a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away ? [1]

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/4353107.stm - Daily life on hold for G8 summit

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/4356001.stm - Protestors arrested at G8 summit

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/4363125.stm - Cost of policing G8 defended

[1] Okay, maybe not that long ago - less than 3 months
and maybe only 50 miles away ...

Just been down town in the car, and a warning for anyone who is thinking of making the same mistake.

A group of people (tree hugger types) are demonstrating against something, no idea what. By riding around the city centre major road network on bicycles and when they get to a ringroad, they are continually just going round and round it so that no traffic can move. There approximately 50 on bikes.

Not against anybody campaigning for what they believe in, but it would be interesting to see any reaction should these people cause an accident, or if one of them was to be injured.

Originally posted by EyeSpy
Just been down town in the car, and a warning for anyone who is thinking of making the same mistake.

A group of people (tree hugger types) are demonstrating against something, no idea what. By riding around the city centre major road network on bicycles and when they get to a ringroad, they are continually just going round and round it so that no traffic can move. There approximately 50 on bikes.

Not against anybody campaigning for what they believe in, but it would be interesting to see any reaction should these people cause an accident, or if one of them was to be injured.

*sigh* usual knee jerk reaction to any kind of protest. Please go back to reading your Daily Mail.

Originally posted by EyeSpy
Just been down town in the car, and a warning for anyone who is thinking of making the same mistake.

A group of people (tree hugger types) are demonstrating against something, no idea what. By riding around the city centre major road network on bicycles and when they get to a ringroad, they are continually just going round and round it so that no traffic can move. There approximately 50 on bikes.

Not against anybody campaigning for what they believe in, but it would be interesting to see any reaction should these people cause an accident, or if one of them was to be injured.
i wondered why there was loads of police and backed up traffic!!! the police seemed to have a system for it when i went so maybe it all be ok!

Originally posted by ptigga
*sigh* usual knee jerk reaction to any kind of protest. Please go back to reading your Daily Mail.

Not the case of going back to my daily mail, as you say. Had any of these people done a hard days work in their life, then i could understand. Democracy and opinion is fine, but under the right circumstances.

My word, all those cyclists on the road, bet the pavements are empty!

Originally posted by ptigga
*sigh* usual knee jerk reaction to any kind of protest. Please go back to reading your Daily Mail.

You obviously typed that from a wireless laptop whilst cycling round town!

You mention kneejerk reaction - the guy is simply stating he's a little narked by being held up through no fault of his own. So would I be.

And wtf has the Daily Mail got to do with it? Dont judge people on what papers people read. Sundays I buy the News of the World and the Times - what does that say about me?

Stop being a dildo.

Originally posted by coopster1974
Dont judge people...


Originally posted by coopster1974
Stop being a dildo.

Oh the irony! :roll:

Originally posted by ptigga
*sigh* usual knee jerk reaction to any kind of protest. Please go back to reading your Daily Mail.

Protest is fine, disrupting people's lives isn't. I'd be annoyed too if I was held up in traffic because of some protest. I don't read the Daily Mail (or the Sun) by the way, so you can't make any stereotypical judgements that way (which I thought lefties were all against... one rule for one, so it would seem).

We are planning to go to town today, does anyone knew if the roads are clear or are we going to be stuck in traffic

Originally posted by Kristian
Oh the irony! :roll:

Ah if only you could keep things in context.

I believe I said "dont judge people on what papers people read".

Kristian, you really need to work on your personal hatred of me. It is starting to make you look desperate.

I don't hate you Coopster; don't flatter yourself! ;)

So we've had a few people encounter this "protest" and no-one knows what its about? Not exactly the best way to get one's point across.

I was wondering what all the police were doing on the motorbikes! I was out of town by 10:30am so I must of missed seeing the cycle demo!

Oh well if they are going around roundabouts all day they will be knackered by 2:00ish and go home!

Not muh of a demo when no-one knows what they are doing it about!

At about 12.30 West Street and Division Street were practically at a standstill. Don't know if this was anything to do with protesters or not.

I just wish people would make up their minds. I think most people object (quite rightly) to all the disruption to both traffic and pedestrians caused by the official closures for the G8, but then protesters go and cause even more chaos on days when there officially wasn't going to be any :loopy:

I presume the protest has something to do with the G8 summit as Peace in the Park is on today and i know there is a protest march arranged to coincide with this, they will be marching from the Devonshire Green to Peace in the Park at the old cemetary behind Ecclesall Road.

It's probably all linked and at least the cycle protest has done what it set out to do, people are talking about it, however it may have worked better had people known why they were doing it.

On another note though, whoever quoted that these people have never done a days work in their life are very wrong. I know a lot of the people who have arraged the Peace in the Park and some of the demonstrations and they all have full time jobs, and some very important ones at that. Jut because some people have a passion about making the world they live in a better place does not make them spongers.

Sorry to rant, it just got my back up.

Just looking back at all the postings about people allowed to protest and all the hoo ha about stopping them.............................................. ...........until someone gets stuck in some traffic!
Then it is wrong................ let us not stop the progress of the metal god on wheels, yes anyone can protest........but as long as you do not hold the traffic up.

If more people were as passionate about the congestion and offered reasonable solutions then all well and good, but not everyone has the time ( or patience ) to stand in traffic for 5mins cos we are in a car that can go fast so get out of the way and let me go fast.

paultheboxerman

Originally posted by jen229

On another note though, whoever quoted that these people have never done a days work in their life are very wrong. I know a lot of the people who have arraged the Peace in the Park and some of the demonstrations and they all have full time jobs, and some very important ones at that. Jut because some people have a passion about making the world they live in a better place does not make them spongers.

Sorry to rant, it just got my back up.

This is very true. I also know some of the people involved in organising the protests and the ones I know are decent hard working people who are good neighbours and do a lot for their communities.

Also, demonstrations like this are specifically planned for weekends to cause minimum disruption to people's lives and also so that people with full time jobs can attend.

Originally posted by playman

If more people were as passionate about the congestion and offered reasonable solutions then all well and good, but not everyone has the time ( or patience ) to stand in traffic for 5mins cos we are in a car that can go fast so get out of the way and let me go fast.

paultheboxerman

Well, I was actually more peed off at having to stand next to the road for 10 minutes every time I wanted to cross because all the traffic was backed up and crawling - not at a standstill - and no-one would let me cross. I don't drive.

This:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/06/313105.html

and this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4083968.stm


Should shed some light on events.

does anyone know where the 30 bus in town is going to be re routed to as in leaving from town or where there is any info about it.

Take a look at this :

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43984

Cheers

Joe

This is very true. I also know some of the people involved in organising the protests and the ones I know are decent hard working people who are good neighbours and do a lot for their communities.

Obviously not decent enough, or they would not be disrupting other people's lives to get their point across.

Joe,

would it be helpful to make that thread "sticky" until all this comotion is over?

Originally posted by EyeSpy
Not the case of going back to my daily mail, as you say. Had any of these people done a hard days work in their life, then i could understand. Democracy and opinion is fine, but under the right circumstances.

What a strange thing to say. Democracy is not just for "the right circumstances", it's something which I consider to be an absolute human right. Perhaps you would be happy to see Britian devolve into a dictatorship, but theres' a fair few of us who would like to remain in a democracy. Please support our rights to make these opinions known via peaceful protest instead of just whinging about your own personal discomfort.

Good idea, Andy.

Should have thought of it myself!!

:)

Originally posted by retep
Obviously not decent enough, or they would not be disrupting other people's lives to get their point across.

I find walking into town and breathing in the car fumes of lazy ass people who only live a stones throw away but drive their big square metal pollution machine at every opportunity a disruption to my life, every day.

Get over it. It's a protest for a legitimate reason. It's to try and make things better. If somebody had to sit in traffic for a little while, then big wow. Tell that to a parent of a starving African.

"Sorry you aint got enough food, but we wanted to be at the shops by 11:00 so we could get home for Grandstand at 12:00"

Haven't done a hard days work in their life?

Excuse me?!

I was stewarding today and I can assure you that the people on the march were a mixture of school children (primary and secondary), parents, teachers, lawyers, brickies, social workers, students, professionals.....loads of walks of life. All classes. All races. I don;t know quite where you get these ideas from but they are completely unfounded. PLEASE don't make sweeping generalisations like that - I find it very, very offensive.

We have a right to protest against the instigators of war, murder, and poverty in this world.

I too found it vaguely ironic that we were holding up the traffic when we were so damned peed off about the possibility of the G8 ministers doing it, but let me ask you, would you rather it was being held up for half an hour to exercise a fundamental human right, acted out by 700 local people, or 20 foreign bigwigs with millions of deaths on their hands for three days?

Rosie - well said! Agree with you totally.
We should all be thankful that we have the right to protest. Today's march has been organised for weeks and well publicised in advance - it didn't last long, and didn't inconvenience people too much. However, there are some roadds that will be closed for 5 days during the G8 meeting, a performance at the Lyceum has been cancelled, trams and buses will be disrupted.......

Backing you up here Chris, all the way, and you Rosie.

Some people seem to just "accept" things if it's enforced by government i.e. shutting the roads for days etc., but find is easy to complain about their fellow working citizens causing a tiny bit of disruption for the need to protest against things which are wrong in the world.

The protest happened for a reason, and a reason that enough people felt strongly enough about for you to notice it occurred. That's a good thing in my eyes.

Originally posted by playman
Just looking back at all the postings about people allowed to protest and all the hoo ha about stopping them.............................................. ...........until someone gets stuck in some traffic!
Then it is wrong................ let us not stop the progress of the metal god on wheels, yes anyone can protest........but as long as you do not hold the traffic up.


Making people late for work, disrupting their lives, holding up emergency services, etc etc. Protest is fine but it shouldn't be imposed.

Originally posted by t020
Making people late for work, disrupting their lives, holding up emergency services, etc etc. Protest is fine but it shouldn't be imposed.

Totally agree. If you want to protest then go ahead and protest - but I'd think that the point of the protest is not just to make people aware of your cause, but to also garner support for it.

If you're annoying people by disrupting their lives, then you're just alienating yourselves, and surely that isn't the smartest thing in the world.

Also as was previously mentioned, nobody seemed to have a clue why they were being held up, or what the protest was about, so surely you need to work more on the publicity. What's the point in protesting if all the people you're annoying don't even have a clue why they're being held up and delayed.

It's incredibly annoying to get held up for a half an hour, and end up being late because a small group of people dislike something that's going on.

You can whinge and moan about the fact the mini-G8 summit is happening in Sheffield, but it's doing one thing for sure, making more people around the globe aware of Sheffield, and that's nothing but a good thing.

Oh for goodness' sake, what's half an hour's hold-up on a Saturday morning? Please.

The only people who didn't have a clue as to what the protest was about are those without access to local news...

Maybe the right to protest only exists if it doesn't interfere with the weekly Marks and Sparks food run?

Originally posted by Greenback
Oh for goodness' sake, what's half an hour's hold-up on a Saturday morning? Please.


Oh for goodness' sake, what's the deal with some ministers using a more regional base for a summit rather than London to give Sheffield some more press around the world? Please.

Originally posted by Greenback
Oh for goodness' sake, what's half an hour's hold-up on a Saturday morning? Please.


Making someone half an hour late for work could lose them their job if they're on a final warning. I didn't get held up in the traffic but would be very annoyed if half an hour of my weekend was wasted being held up in traffic caused by do gooders.

Originally posted by Greenback
The only people who didn't have a clue as to what the protest was about are those without access to local news...
I saw it on the telly - the protesters interviewed put their case across so well that I have no idea what they were protesting against....

Or did the really have different agendas?

Originally posted by Hook
Oh for goodness' sake, what's the deal with some ministers using a more regional base for a summit rather than London to give Sheffield some more press around the world? Please.

That's not the issue at all. If you're interested read the relevant thread.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
That's not the issue at all. If you're interested read the relevant thread.

I've kept out of it because I don't want to get involved.

I was just pointing out how stupid Greenback's post appeared to be. But maybe t020 did a better job of that for me!

Originally posted by t020
Making someone half an hour late for work could lose them their job if they're on a final warning. I didn't get held up in the traffic but would be very annoyed if half an hour of my weekend was wasted being held up in traffic caused by do gooders.

I think if someone was on a final warning and turned up half an hour late because of the protest, perhaps they would be let off? What do you think?

Originally posted by Hook
Oh for goodness' sake, what's the deal with some ministers using a more regional base for a summit rather than London to give Sheffield some more press around the world? Please.

Eh? Doesn't really relate to the point that I was making, though it's a perfectly reasonable point in itself. The mini summit is in Sheffield - fair enough. People are protesting against the policies of some of the countries involved - fair enough.

Originally posted by Greenback
I think if someone was on a final warning and turned up half an hour late because of the protest, perhaps they would be let off? What do you think?

I think probably not - if they were on a final warning it would be all the excuse the boss needed and since the profile of the protest wasn't exactly high, the boss probably wouldn't believe them anyway.

For most people the 'deal' isn't with Sheffield being bumped up in the profile stakes - in fact most of the protestors would probably be all for it. But as one of the speakers said today, do we really want Sheffield to be known as the city that let the very people who are discussing ridding us of fundamental human rights (right to trial by jury, etc) have a free run of the city? Don't we want the world to know that Sheffielders aren't the kind of people who will take these bullies lying down?

Originally posted by t020
I think probably not - if they were on a final warning it would be all the excuse the boss needed and since the profile of the protest wasn't exactly high, the boss probably wouldn't believe them anyway.

Yes, the boss would obviously be unaware of said protest, having travelled in to work via helicopter. I stand corrected.

You seem to have spent some time constructing this intricate scenario?

Originally posted by Greenback
Yes, the boss would obviously be unaware of said protest, having travelled in to work via helicopter. I stand corrected.

You seem to have spent some time constructing this intricate scenario?

The boss would be there already, so would've arrived before the protests. He would be watching the clock, the worker walks in half an hour late - "you're fired!". I'm thinking a small shop scenario where the manager opens up early morning and is waiting to be relieved by a staff member who fails to turn up, on his last warning, because of the protest. Simple, really.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but South Yorks Police usually issue all affected businesses with a note or whatever to tell them about any disruption.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Sorry to burst your bubble, but South Yorks Police usually issue all affected businesses with a note or whatever to tell them about any disruption.

Yes but they posted it to this particular business and the boss involved didn't receive it - the Royal Mail lost it. :hihi:

Seriously though, I doubt they'd have informed every single small shop in town that MIGHT have staff that get held up in traffic on their way to work!!

Originally posted by t020
Yes but they posted it to this particular business and the boss involved didn't receive it - the Royal Mail lost it.
Sounds about right :rolleyes:

Bloody Royal Mail! Don't even get me started! Rooaaarrrrgghh!!!

Originally posted by t020
The boss would be there already, so would've arrived before the protests. He would be watching the clock, the worker walks in half an hour late - "you're fired!". I'm thinking a small shop scenario where the manager opens up early morning and is waiting to be relieved by a staff member who fails to turn up, on his last warning, because of the protest. Simple, really.

Maybe the boss would have fired the worker even if they had turned up early, due to the fact that he (or she) overcooked their boiled eggs and was in a very bad mood anyway.

Or maybe the boss was just waiting for the chance to pose as Alan Sugar, shouting "YOU'RE FIRED!"

Poor the sacked worker :(

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Sounds about right :rolleyes:

Bloody Royal Mail! Don't even get me started! Rooaaarrrrgghh!!!

Why dont you go block town again in protest?

Originally posted by noseyrosie
For most people the 'deal' isn't with Sheffield being bumped up in the profile stakes - in fact most of the protestors would probably be all for it. But as one of the speakers said today, do we really want Sheffield to be known as the city that let the very people who are discussing ridding us of fundamental human rights (right to trial by jury, etc) have a free run of the city? Don't we want the world to know that Sheffielders aren't the kind of people who will take these bullies lying down?

I dont think this is the issue Rosie. We all have our opinions on Human Rights whether it's good or bad!

This issue that was raised is that people shouldn't be incovenienced in such a way. Someone previous mentioned 30 mins delay, i'd go into hours when it all backs up.

Unfortunately protestors do get a name for themselves and granted that some actually protest as one off against something, but you often see the same people at different protests. They are protesting for the sake of it.

Just wondered if anyone knows what the trafic restrictions will be in the city centre on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday?
:confused:
i need to get from Chesterfield Road to Hallam University and then up to the Brook Hill roundabout at about 6pm each night.

And from Stannington to the parkway each morning at 7:30am.

Does anyone know if my route will be blocked by either police cordons or protestors?

Any info on the situation would be welcome.

:smile:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43984

some info on there:thumbsup:

Eh?

The same people at different marches? Are you only allowed to care about one thing?

A protest is political. You can have political vews on a number of issues. If you only have a view on one issue it's akin to "one party politics"

Where are you now Kilroy.....

My views boyface are that many protest for the sake of it.

Yes we all have many different political views, but do we have to protest at them all?

There is nothing wrong with protesting at something that you disagree with but you have to reemeber that there may be as many if not more who agree with this topic.

Again, i just feel from seeing many protests that some protest and cause inconvenience for the pur pleasure of it.

So how many protests have you seen in Sheffield in the past year that have disrupted traffic?

And what are the wide range of issues that these same people have been protesting for?

Is it true that most male protestors are persistent masterbators? And that most female protestors have hairy armpits and that they all stink of wee?

Or am I generalising?

Probably half a dozen or so that have stopped or slowed traffic. This is due to working for a business that has various shops throughout the centre and the need to walk to them.

The general ones have been 'Stop the War ' or of something similar (now G8 ). Then there's been a few other minor ones which i have took no notice of (so apologies didn't look for the issues).

Dont think i'm having a dig boyface as i'm not it's just that i feel some demonstrate for the pleasure, similarly to non-football fans turning up at games to cause trouble.

Originally posted by EyeSpy
[B

A group of people (tree hugger types) [/B]
so whats wrong with tree huggers then? i love trees.

The protest happened for a reason, and a reason that enough people felt strongly enough about for you to notice it occurred. That's a good thing in my eyes.

If I parked my car across the Parkway as a protest, loads of people would notice it be disrupted by it and would be p***ed off,
If I parked on the town hall steps as a protest people would notice it just the same but would not be inconvenienced.

I'm off now to chop a tree.

Originally posted by rooby_roo
Is it true that most male protestors are persistent masterbators? And that most female protestors have hairy armpits and that they all stink of wee?

Or am I generalising?
Grow up, for god's sake. There is an incredibly important situation here that evidently many of you just haven't grasped yet!

Oh and for the record, my 'pits are currently hair free and i smell of shampoo and hair straightening mist. See, hippies can be vain and mainstream too :thumbsup:

Originally posted by t020
Making someone half an hour late for work could lose them their job if they're on a final warning. I didn't get held up in the traffic but would be very annoyed if half an hour of my weekend was wasted being held up in traffic caused by do gooders.

Anyone with a h'ap'orth of common sense would have been aware of the protest...

They would have set off earlier, to avoid the disruption...

Especially if they had been issued warnings about their lateness.

If someone doesn't care enough about their job to be professional enough turn up on time, then they don't deserve it!

If I have to be at work, for time "T", and I know it takes me y minutes to get to work, then I will leave the house, at least at T-y minutes, and probably even earlier. It shows courtesy and professionalism to be prompt.

and noseyrosie puts things so succinctly in her earlier post about the reasons behind this protest.

Every three seconds, a child dies because of poverty, whilst these warmongering capitalists spend millions developing the next big wmd... It's iniquitous, that this money, spent on 1 wmd, could relieve the suffering of millions.

That's every. Three. Seconds.

Ooops, there goes another one,.

and another.

Every. Three. Seconds.

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker
Anyone with a h'ap'orth of common sense would have been aware of the protest...

They would have set off earlier, to avoid the disruption...

Especially if they had been issued warnings about their lateness.

If someone doesn't care enough about their job to be professional enough turn up on time, then they don't deserve it!

If I have to be at work, for time "T", and I know it takes me y minutes to get to work, then I will leave the house, at least at T-y minutes, and probably even earlier. It shows courtesy and professionalism to be prompt.

and noseyrosie puts things so succinctly in her earlier post about the reasons behind this protest.

Every three seconds, a child dies because of poverty, whilst these warmongering capitalists spend millions developing the next big wmd... It's iniquitous, that this money, spent on 1 wmd, could relieve the suffering of millions.

That's every. Three. Seconds.

Ooops, there goes another one,.

and another.

Every. Three. Seconds.

PT

Thanks for your support P_T, if you can make it there's a picket (all sorted with the police and that) on Wednesday night, 6pm outside the Lyceum.

Originally posted by Plain Talker
Anyone with a h'ap'orth of common sense would have been aware of the protest...

They would have set off earlier, to avoid the disruption...

Especially if they had been issued warnings about their lateness.

If someone doesn't care enough about their job to be professional enough turn up on time, then they don't deserve it!

If I have to be at work, for time "T", and I know it takes me y minutes to get to work, then I will leave the house, at least at T-y minutes, and probably even earlier. It shows courtesy and professionalism to be prompt.


Yes but there'd be a new variable in the equation, "D" (do gooders protesting) which would be 30 mins in this case, so the equation would be T - (y+D). If the people weren't aware of D (I wasn't, and I read, listen to, and watch the local and national news every day) then they would be late by "D". Why not protest without disrupting people's lives? That way, you make a point WITHOUT causing disruption to the people you should be trying to win over?

Originally posted by youwhatref
I dont think this is the issue Rosie. We all have our opinions on Human Rights whether it's good or bad!

This issue that was raised is that people shouldn't be incovenienced in such a way. Someone previous mentioned 30 mins delay, i'd go into hours when it all backs up.

Unfortunately protestors do get a name for themselves and granted that some actually protest as one off against something, but you often see the same people at different protests. They are protesting for the sake of it.

I really don't think a 30 minutes/hour delay for a protest is a problem. If I take the bus I get delayed everyday buy school-runners and people driving into the centre on their own because they are too lazy to use public transport.

And remember, if there wasn't a disruption the protesters would have been easy to ignore.

I think you do get serial protesters but they are few. If you care enough about say third world poverty you'll probably care about other issues as well.

Originally posted by robbie

I think you do get serial protesters but they are few. If you care enough about say third world poverty you'll probably care about other issues as well.

Fair point Robbie.

Originally posted by robbie
I really don't think a 30 minutes/hour delay for a protest is a problem. If I take the bus I get delayed everyday buy school-runners and people driving into the centre on their own because they are too lazy to use public transport.

Your delay is daily so you factor it into your journey time. The delay caused by protesters was a one off and unexpected, as illustrated by this thread, so couldn't have been factored in - hence causing disruption/lateness.

Also, at least people taking kids to school and driving to work are using the roads for their intended purpose - travel, not protest.


Originally posted by robbie

And remember, if there wasn't a disruption the protesters would have been easy to ignore.

Disruption causes resentment, not support, no matter how worthy the cause. Publicity could be raised in other ways that don't disrupt people trying to get on with their life.

Originally posted by robbie

I think you do get serial protesters but they are few. If you care enough about say third world poverty you'll probably care about other issues as well.

True, but also a lot of protestors that do frequent such events are students and unemployed people. When they have responsibilities of their own (mortgages, families, careers, etc) they will soon re-prioritise their "cares" accordingly.

I know one woman who is a single parent, in a very high powered job with barely any time to herself who took part in this protest. She gave up her scarce free time to take part because she particularly cared about the issue. In contrast, when I was a student I didn't go on any protests, despite having all the time in the world, because I was too idle; but I did take part in a strike some time ago because the issue moved me enough to not be complacent.

So I think your employment status matters little, it's more a question of whether you care enough about the issues. And you see a lot of young people because they are more passionate about 'issues' unlike us older cynics who are more likely to write a grumbling letter to the newspaper. :)

Just a question - what did people make of the disruption caused by the fuel protestors a few years back?

Originally posted by t020
True, but also a lot of protestors that do frequent such events are students and unemployed people. When they have responsibilities of their own (mortgages, families, careers, etc) they will soon re-prioritise their "cares" accordingly.

You talk as if possessing a worldview outside of mortgage prices in S10 is something one should grow out of! There's certainly nothing wrong with trying to change the world for the better, whatever your social status.

These protests matter. The G8 is extremely powerful, yet completely unaccountable and undemocratic. Policticians are divorced from the people who put them into power enough as it is; when we're talking about a group of people who put themselves into power, meeting in Sheffield, it's vital that the ordinary people make their voices heard.

to20,

I've just read back through this whole thread and you've shown absolutely no compassion or understanding for the fact people are dying, and lots of people disagree with this and want to let their feelings be known.

All you seem to have any care about is that somebody on Saturday may have been held up for 30 mins? Does this really matter? And don't try and dream up some scenario that probably didn't happen to justify your view.

Honestly, what does that say about you as a person?

Originally posted by boyface
to20,

I've just read back through this whole thread and you've shown absolutely no compassion or understanding for the fact people are dying, and lots of people disagree with this and want to let their feelings be known.

All you seem to have any care about is that somebody on Saturday may have been held up for 30 mins? Does this really matter? And don't try and dream up some scenario that probably didn't happen to justify your view.

Honestly, what does that say about you as a person?

It says that the thread is about traffic disruption. Of course I have compassion for people dying in the world, but I don't see how protesting against it in a way that disrupts peoples' lives is going to help anything, and it certainly won't help win support for their cause.

Originally posted by t020
It says that the thread is about traffic disruption. Of course I have compassion for people dying in the world, but I don't see how protesting against it in a way that disrupts peoples' lives is going to help anything, and it certainly won't help win support for their cause.

Too right. I wonder how many people were late to work when that Martin Luther King was around in the 1960s? Those suffragettes marching down Pennsylvania Avenue in 1913, causing a nuisance to all and sundry – what were they thinking? And don't get me started on those people who filled the streets to protest against apartheid in Spuith Africa. Madness.

When will these people learn that these tactics achieve nothing, and just serve to annoy the comfortably-off, inward-looking nuclear family?

Originally posted by Greenback
Too right. I wonder how many people were late to work when that Martin Luther King was around in the 1960s? Those suffragettes marching down Pennsylvania Avenue in 1913, causing a nuisance to all and sundry – what were they thinking? And don't get me started on those people who filled the streets to protest against apartheid in Spuith Africa. Madness.

When will these people learn that these tactics achieve nothing, and just serve to annoy the comfortably-off, inward-looking nuclear family?

Exactly. :D

Seriously though, I don't think it helps their cause if they disrupt peoples' lives, and neither do a lot of people who have replied to this thread.

Surely the fact you lot are talking about it means that you might think about the reasons why these people cycled around and therefore it has fuelled the debate. Which can only be a good thing.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
For most people the 'deal' isn't with Sheffield being bumped up in the profile stakes - in fact most of the protestors would probably be all for it. But as one of the speakers said today, do we really want Sheffield to be known as the city that let the very people who are discussing ridding us of fundamental human rights (right to trial by jury, etc) have a free run of the city? Don't we want the world to know that Sheffielders aren't the kind of people who will take these bullies lying down?

How long ago was it when terrorists set bombs off on the trains near Madrid? Odd that I can't seem remember. I can't recall how many died, and how many were injured, and how many kids never saw their mum or dad again.

Oh, and which year was it that the twin towers were destroyed by suicide terrorists in New York? How many lives were lost? My memory is getting hazy these days. Does anyone else forget these atrocities so easily?

Oh and weren't some grenades lobbed at British tourists at some Spanish airport a few days ago? Basque separatists to blame I believe. Not to worry though, no-one was killed or injured......this time.

If the G8 Justice Ministers wish to discuss security and anti-terrorist measures, to try and make the world I live in a safer place, I for one will not be joining any kind of protest. Maybe some of the protestors should try shouting at the terrorists - and then maybe there wouldn't be a need for the G8 Ministers to meet and discuss security?

Originally posted by redrobbo
Maybe some of the protestors should try shouting at the terrorists - and then maybe there wouldn't be a need for the G8 Ministers to meet and discuss security?

But, but, but...... wouldn't that cause some disruption to people and get that person on a final warning sacked from work?

Originally posted by redrobbo
How long ago was it when terrorists set bombs off on the trains near Madrid? Odd that I can't seem remember. I can't recall how many died, and how many were injured, and how many kids never saw their mum or dad again.

Oh, and which year was it that the twin towers were destroyed by suicide terrorists in New York? How many lives were lost? My memory is getting hazy these days. Does anyone else forget these atrocities so easily?

Oh and weren't some grenades lobbed at British tourists at some Spanish airport a few days ago? Basque separatists to blame I believe. Not to worry though, no-one was killed or injured......this time.

If the G8 Justice Ministers wish to discuss security and anti-terrorist measures, to try and make the world I live in a safer place, I for one will not be joining any kind of protest. Maybe some of the protestors should try shouting at the terrorists - and then maybe there wouldn't be a need for the G8 Ministers to meet and discuss security?

What one-sided rubbish.

I don't agree with the terrorists, but the western leaders are just as bad. Compare each of the examples you gave with all the oil wars, bombing, poverty caused by debt......started by the West.

I'd do my fair share of shouting at the 'other' terrorists if they were trying to meet in my city to discuss lowering human rights, but as it stands I've only got the Western ones to have a go at right now.

We see 'them' as terrorists, and they see us as terrorists. It's obvious why, our media and our mere geography is going to make this so, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

Al Quaeda's manifesto/opening statement (yes, I have read it) states that they will do whatever they can to protect their own culture against the Western superpowers trying to impose their own cultures. The 9/11 thing was supposedly in revenge for a similar act upon two towers in the middle east (I'm a bit sketchy on the details of that I'm afraid).

So. I am having a go at the terrorists thank you very much. THey're terrorising the world and they're meeting in the Marriot on Wednesday.

Originally posted by dandy
But, but, but...... wouldn't that cause some disruption to people and get that person on a final warning sacked from work?

Not necessarily, no. Only if the protestors decide to conduct their protest in a selfish and inconsiderate way, e.g. deliberately holding up traffic.

Originally posted by t020
Not necessarily, no. Only if the protestors decide to conduct their protest in a selfish and inconsiderate way, e.g. deliberately holding up traffic.

Actually the route was a mutual decision between the protest organisers and the police force.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
What one-sided rubbish.

I don't agree with the terrorists, but the western leaders are just as bad. Compare each of the examples you gave with all the oil wars, bombing, poverty caused by debt......started by the West.

I'd do my fair share of shouting at the 'other' terrorists if they were trying to meet in my city to discuss lowering human rights, but as it stands I've only got the Western ones to have a go at right now.

We see 'them' as terrorists, and they see us as terrorists. It's obvious why, our media and our mere geography is going to make this so, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

Al Quaeda's manifesto/opening statement (yes, I have read it) states that they will do whatever they can to protect their own culture against the Western superpowers trying to impose their own cultures. The 9/11 thing was supposedly in revenge for a similar act upon two towers in the middle east (I'm a bit sketchy on the details of that I'm afraid).

So. I am having a go at the terrorists thank you very much. THey're terrorising the world and they're meeting in the Marriot on Wednesday.

I don't think you can compare the world leaders meeting at the G8 summit with radical terrorists who deliberately murder thousands of innocent civilians.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Actually the route was a mutual decision between the protest organisers and the police force.

Why disrupt any route? Why not march on the pavements or through the shopping areas? Why do you think it's ok to disrupt people?

Originally posted by t020
I don't think you can compare the world leaders meeting at the G8 summit with radical terrorists who deliberately murder thousands of innocent civilians.


Umm....why? Their actions have both culminated in the deaths of not thousands, but billions of innocents.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Umm....why? Their actions have both culminated in the deaths of not thousands, but billions of innocents.

Get a grip, please. I'm no fan of Tony Blair but how can you hold him responsible for the deaths of billions of innocent people?!

I experienced the disruption on Saturday, but the police seemed to have over-estimated the number of Sadam loyalists... there seemed to be more police than marchers.

Originally posted by t020
I don't think you can compare the world leaders meeting at the G8 summit with radical terrorists who deliberately murder thousands of innocent civilians.


Remind me, didn't the leaders of some of those G8 countries invade Iraq, and cause the deaths of 'thousands of innocent civilians' ?

Or don't you class Iraqi civilians as being innocent?

Originally posted by Abdul
Remind me, didn't the leaders of some of those G8 countries invade Iraq, and cause the deaths of 'thousands of innocent civilians' ?

Or don't you class Iraqi civilians as being innocent?

Remind me, were they deliberately targetting civilians or were they actually fighting the Iraqi military and trying to overthrow a regime that oppressed the innocent civilians? How is this equivalent to the deliberate, targetted slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians?

Allow me to refresh your memory.

Originally posted by t020
Remind me, were they deliberately targetting civilians or were they actually fighting the Iraqi military and trying to overthrow a regime that oppressed the innocent civilians?

I'd say quite a bit of both, including decades of sponsoring this 'regime that oppressed the innocent civilians'.

Need I remind you there were several years of UN sanctions between Gulf War I and II, which contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children?

Not to mention many more suffering with cancers and other deformations thanks to the use of depleted uranium weapons.

Originally posted by t020
How is this equivalent to the deliberate, targetted slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians?

I can't see much of a difference. Can you?

Originally posted by Abdul

I can't see much of a difference. Can you?

Yes I can still see a vast difference.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Umm....why? Their actions have both culminated in the deaths of not thousands, but billions of innocents.

"deaths of ..... billions"?

I think you are losing your grip on reality noseyrosie. Each of us is entitled to our own opinion, but this claim is just ludicrous.

I am quite happy to debate with you, but can you please keep your feet firmly planted on the ground when doing so. It would help conduct a sensible debate.

Originally posted by noseyrosie

We see 'them' as terrorists, and they see us as terrorists. It's obvious why, our media and our mere geography is going to make this so, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

Would that you would look at the bigger picture noseyrosie.....
Madrid bombing, Bali bombing, New York twin towers atrocity,
and other recent terrorist activity. Committed by self-appointed murderers.

And your response to all this is to say -
Originally posted by noseyrosie
[B]
I am having a go at the terrorists thank you very much. THey're terrorising the world and they're meeting in the Marriot on Wednesday. ]

That would be the G8 Justice Ministers then. You claim that the duly elected representatives of the people are terrorists. Glad that we sorted out the definition of terrorist, well, at least your incredibly warped definition of terrorist.

I think your feet are still off the ground roseynosie, and it seems your head is in the stratosphere as well.

I know there is a thread on the G8 summit but this is more about the disruption.

On my way to work this morning I saw a notice on the bus that said on Weds from 5.30pm and Thurs from 3.45pm certain buses will be operating different routes and stops in the city centre due to the G8 meeting.

The driver and his mate were also talking about it and said according to the police they were expecting between 1000 + 10000 protesters tomorrow.

So people may want to change their travel arrangements if they can

Originally posted by redrobbo
If the G8 Justice Ministers wish to discuss security and anti-terrorist measures, to try and make the world I live in a safer place, I for one will not be joining any kind of protest. Maybe some of the protestors should try shouting at the terrorists - and then maybe there wouldn't be a need for the G8 Ministers to meet and discuss security?

So you don't believe that this unelected, self-serving and immensely powerful body should be subject to any level of suspicion, or indeed scrutiny, from the great unwashed? How far should our civil liberties be washed away in the name of "security"? And how does this noble venture to rid the world of terrorism square with, for example, Russian atrocities in Chechnya?

Originally posted by redrobbo
That would be the G8 Justice Ministers then. You claim that the duly elected representatives of the people are terrorists. Glad that we sorted out the definition of terrorist, well, at least your incredibly warped definition of terrorist.

Who elected the G8? Who are they accountable to?

does anyone happen to know whats happening with buses and trams on thursday?
as ive heard that no buses or trams are allowed to come through town after 4pm on thur according to numerous ppl ....
also ive heard that pedestrians are not allowed to walk within a certain area whilst the meetings are being held?!
can anyone shed some light so i no whether to take my walking boots to work on thursday for the journey home

thanks x

Almost every time I drive around the ring road, I find it full of people in cars causing disruption and slowing up my journey. Yet people on bikes do it once a month and suddenly they're the bad guys.

As for t020's point about protests like this "holding up emergency services" - absolute rot. I have been on several London Critical Mass rides, along with approximately 2000 other cyclists, roller skaters, walkers etc, and twice we have had to clear a path for ambulances. This usually took about 10 seconds. I would like to see 2000 cars get out of an ambulance's path that quickly - at times when I've been in a queue of just 10 cars it has taken longer than that!

What exactly is happening tomorrow and how much disruption is there likely to be?

I need to travel into town and then out to Totley between about 6 and 7pm tommorow night. I also need to make the return journy between 9pm and 10pm.

Will any of this be effected?

you can have a look on the first website but it is not very clear (for my route anyway)
charlie

The Police convoys are coming thro Attercliffe at 5 min intervals not including the single police cars and riot vans.

They haven't even arrived yet and it's chaos, dread to think what tomorrow is going to be like.

Wednesday 15th June

These roads will be closed from the times indicated until the end of the event.

Tudor Square 12.00 Noon
Surrey Street (from Norfolk Street) 12.00 Noon
Surrey Street (Norfolk Street – Leopold Street) 16.00
Norfolk Street 16.00
Arundel Gate 17.45
Chapel Walk 18.00
Norfolk Row 18.00
Exchange Gateway 18.00

Arundel Gate closure (17:30 until the end of the day)

First Bus Services:

Services that use the top side of Arundel Gate (in to city) divert as follows:
7, 20, 20A, 22, 25A, 30, 33, 41, 51, 52, 75, 76, 81, 82, 85, 86, 87, 94, 95, 96, 97, 97A and 505. As normal to Furnival Sq then Furnival St, Brown St, Paternoster Row, Pond St (using the football stop for staff takeovers and City Centre point time that should have been on Arundel Gate) then continue along Flat St, Fitzalan Sq, High St, Angel St and onto normal route.

Services that use the bottom side of Arundel Gate (out of city) divert as follows:
7 and 33 - As normal to Haymarket then continue to Fitzallan Sq, Flat St (using the alighting only stop as takeover and City Centre point time), Pond St, Paternoster Row, Brown St, Furnival St to Furnival Sq and as normal.

SUPERTRAM: The following services will operate at as close to our normal frequency as possible:

Halfway, Herdings Park and Meadowhall as far as Fitzalan Square tramstop.

Middlewood and Malin Bridge to the University of Sheffield tramstop.


Passengers wishing to travel between Fitzalan Square and the University of Sheffield, may wish to use First bus services to continue their journey. We will have additional staff on duty to assist with any queries

FYI, I found out what the protesters have planned.

"From 15th to 17th Sheffield against the G8 (SAG8) is running a convergence centre. For the location call 07786907084 and check Webpage from Wed. 15th morning. It will be an open space for people to sleep, eat, discuss and create alternatives in opposition to the ministerial meeting that takes place parallel at the Mariott Hotel in Sheffield Netheregde. We are not only questioning the legitimacy of the self acclaimed G8, we are trying to present an alternative in opening a truely democratic space for all people to share their views on the issues at stake, Food will be provided by Sheff Food Collective on basis of donation." (counter conference website)


Wednesday 15th

11h to 12h Insurgent Breakfast at Convergence Space opens CounterConference and actions against the G8

12h to 17h Weapons of Mass Information. Groups of people spread out in the streets of Sheffield to raise awareness about the G8 Conference

17.30h Demo for the right to protest at Devonshire Green

21.00h Open Mic and Bands at Convergence Space


Thursday 16th

19.30h Poverty Banquet at Devonshire Green by Make Poverty History paralell to G8 dining at Cutlers Hall

see my thread, full details are on that

Quote 'On Wednesday 15 and Thursday 16 June there will be major changes to all bus and tram services in Sheffield city centre during the G8 Summit.

On both days to coincide with the road closures bus services will be diverted in the city centre and observe temporary stopping arrangements.

The road closures are as follows - on 15 June, Arundel Gate will be closed from 17:30 until the end of day and on 16 June High Street and Church Street will be closed from 15:45 until the end of day.

Supertram will have a break in service between Fitzalan Square and the University of Sheffield after around 4pm on 16 June

Trams will run from Fitzalan Square to Meadowhall, Halfway and Herdings Park and from the University of Sheffield to Middlewood and Malin Bridge.

Holders of valid Supertram Megarider or Dayrider tickets will be able to use First or Yorkshire Terrier buses without further payment between the temporary tram termini.

Passengers are asked to look out for clear instructions about the affected services and temporary bus stops on board vehicles and trams and at bus and tram stops in the city centre.

Alternatively passengers can call the Transport Executive’s Traveline on 01709 51 51 51 where staff will be on hand throughout the week to provide travel information for all public transport. Traveline is open from 07:00 - 22:00 every day'

Hope this helps

if you need further info on road closures they are all listed on the council website.

Other than insult rosie over several paragraphs for using the word 'billions', your post doesn't say anything we haven't already discussed.

Originally posted by redrobbo
Madrid bombing, Bali bombing, New York twin towers atrocity, and other recent terrorist activity. Committed by self-appointed murderers.

If the likes of Saddam and Bin Laden were such evil, cruel and bloodthirsty terrorists, why were western powers so keen to install, support and supply them for so many decades?

And if liberating the civilians of those countries was so important, why did those same western powers turn a blind to the crimes of their puppets for so many decades?

Redrobbo, I have asked these questions so many times on this forum, but nobody has ever given me an answer.

thanks very much!

You would think that with all the bloody secure army bases in this country they could go and hold their meeting there instead of messing up our lives. I got stopped from crossing wolsley road about an hour ago and told to stay on the other side of the road. Sod that I though. I walked 10 yards up the road and crossed over. 5 minutes later the convoy came passed and there was nobody in the cars except the driver. About 10 motorbikes, 2 vans and a couple fo cars.
And yes I did have to cross the road. i wanted to get to the wolsley wedge for my dinner.

i live in the city centre in the west one complex could anyone tell me how all these closures may affect my travel in and out of sheff.................?

Originally posted by fox20thc
FYI, I found out what the protesters have planned.


How many weeks did you spend undercover to unearth this info for us?

I can't see anyone taking these people seriously if they use terms like "self proclaimed" and "truly democratic". As far as I am aware, the people attending are members of democratically elected governemnts which might just be more representative than a few hippies that bother to turn up at an alternative event. . As for "self proclaimed G8", it is simply a fact that this is the 7 richest nations + Russia and they have decided to get together and form a club Any other group of nations could get together as they see fit and form the G9-15 or G67-87 or any other combination they feel like.

Poverty Banquet

:loopy:

I haven't actually managed to work this out - who is actaully coming? Which individuals?

Originally posted by KenH
As for "self proclaimed G8", it is simply a fact that this is the 7 richest nations + Russia and they have decided to get together and form a club.

So that would be self proclaimed, then?

Originally posted by KenH
I can't see anyone taking these people seriously if they use terms like "self proclaimed" and "truly democratic". As far as I am aware, the people attending are members of democratically elected governemnts which might just be more representative than a few hippies that bother to turn up at an alternative event. . As for "self proclaimed G8", it is simply a fact that this is the 7 richest nations + Russia and they have decided to get together and form a club Any other group of nations could get together as they see fit and form the G9-15 or G67-87 or any other combination they feel like.

You use the interesting phrase "more representative". More representative of what?

The G8 are an exclusive club and its activities are accountable to no-one. Therefore self-proclaimed and undemocratic is a fair description.

What is wrong with these people anyway that they want to cause disruption?

Originally posted by dandy
So that would be self proclaimed, then?

Self proclaimed makes it sound like the people in the meeting decided to call themselves G8 and be very important. In fact we elected them so it was a group of elected politicians who devised this idea over a period of years during which the people of each country could vote them out if they didn't like it.

Originally posted by Greenback
You use the interesting phrase "more representative". More representative of what?

The G8 are an exclusive club and its activities are accountable to no-one. Therefore self-proclaimed and undemocratic is a fair description.

Are you living in a different world to everyone else! They are mininsters of elected governments. If you don't like what they do then you vote against them at the next election. If they still get elected then that is because other people don't share your views. They are very much accountable it is just that the few hippies that are running the protests would prefer to think that they are "un-accountable" as the alternative is that most people are quite happy with what they are doing. If you don't like what they stand for then stand for election.

can someone tell me why this meeting has to be in sheffield,and not in london.

Originally posted by KenH
Self proclaimed makes it sound like the people in the meeting decided to call themselves G8 and be very important.

Ha! Well, yeah. That's kind of the point. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by KenH
Are you living in a different world to everyone else! They are mininsters of elected governments. If you don't like what they do then you vote against them at the next election. If they still get elected then that is because other people don't share your views. They are very much accountable it is just that the few hippies that are running the protests would prefer to think that they are "un-accountable" as the alternative is that most people are quite happy with what they are doing. If you don't like what they stand for then stand for election.

Ok, at the next election I vote France out and India in.

I treat your "hippies" comment, and the rest of the bile in this post, with the contempt it deserves.

exactly who is going to be at these meetings.

It isn't bile, it is fact. Why can't the people who are opposing this meeting use facts and then ordinary people would take them more seriously. They are elected politicians. If you want to vote France out an India in then you stand for election with that as your policy. The policy would be "Vote for me and I will replace France in a list of the 7 Richest Nations with India, err even though India isn't particularly rich". That should work. Of course standing for election and getting people to agree with you would involve years of hard work and then they might still disagree. Then what?

Originally posted by slimsid2000
What is wrong with these people anyway that they want to cause disruption?

Well they are so popular and exalted that the thronging masses have turned out to wave banners and cheer them on....

...so popular they need to surround themselves with the sort of security that is very visible but effectively risible.

Originally posted by KenH
Are you living in a different world to everyone else! They are mininsters of elected governments. If you don't like what they do then you vote against them at the next election. If they still get elected then that is because other people don't share your views. They are very much accountable it is just that the few hippies that are running the protests would prefer to think that they are "un-accountable" as the alternative is that most people are quite happy with what they are doing. If you don't like what they stand for then stand for election.

And if you live outside the G8 countries then you're screwed cos you have no means at all of electing or holding to account a body that makes decisions about your life.

Originally posted by KenH
It isn't bile, it is fact. Why can't the people who are opposing this meeting use facts and then ordinary people would take them more seriously. They are elected politicians. If you want to vote France out an India in then you stand for election with that as your policy. The policy would be "Vote for me and I will replace France in a list of the 7 Richest Nations with India, err even though India isn't particularly rich". That should work. Of course standing for election and getting people to agree with you would involve years of hard work and then they might still disagree. Then what?

No, it's bile. The G8 is an extremely rich group that meets secretly to make decisions that profoundly affect the rest of the world, without giving the rest of the world a say or being accountable to anyone. That's a fact.

I don't understand your point regarding the election of individual ministers. I'm talking about the body as a whole.

Originally posted by roughy101
can someone tell me why this meeting has to be in sheffield,and not in london.

The public don't really know. It was arranged by Blunkett in his time as Home Secretary, but the decisions were made without being discussed at a full (Sheffield City) Council meeting. This is one of the points that the Green councillor Gillian Creasey made during the last Council meeting on 1 June - see http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/full-council/council-1-june-2005

Jan Wilson, leader of the council, has this to say about it:
"Sheffield is a large city, and should play its part in both national and international affairs. While there will be some inconvenience in the city centre, let’s not detract from the opportunity hosting this event presents to the people of Sheffield.

With a considerable media entourage following the Ministers we will have the world’s eyes on our wonderful city - a great opportunity to promote Sheffield and it’s people to the world as delegates, officials, and the press sample some of the attractions we have to offer. With over 1,000 bed-nights booked as a result of hosting this event and bars, restaurants and other facilities benefiting from the influx of international visitors this is a huge opportunity to show what a great place Sheffield is and what a warm and welcoming people we are. "
(taken from http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/a-message-from-the-leader-of-the-council)

Joe has kindly posted details of all public transport changes here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43984).

Originally posted by Greenback
No, it's bile. The G8 is an extremely rich group that meets secretly to make decisions that profoundly affect the rest of the world, without giving the rest of the world a say or being accountable to anyone. That's a fact.

I don't understand your point regarding the election of individual ministers. I'm talking about the body as a whole.

The body as a whole is made up of individuals each of which is a represenative of an elected government. Our home office minister is an MP and so can be voted in or out at the whim of the people he represents. He represents the people of the UK not India and is obliged to do what is in their best interests. If you believe (as I do) that improving the lot of the third world is a good thing then you can vote for people who also believe in that. That is how the democratic process works. But inviting India rather than France to a meeting that is about security would be rather silly.

At embarrassment to myself I admit that the billions was a typo and should have been millions. However I wouldn't back down from that. Poverty is a direct result of western wars and big business. Think about all those people who've died from AIDs, because the patents on the drugs are too expenxive for them to buy to produce their own drugs, and therefore they have to buy the hugely expensive branded ones from companies like GlaxoSmithkline.

The G8 has the power to change business and trade rules, but they won't, because, surprise surprise, the big companies give them tons of cash, and they don't, so they're largely responsible for the outcome, e.g. the death and poverty.

Our leaders are murderers too, and if you look past the suited and booted surface it's perfectly obvious how simple it would be for them to decrease the death count if they weren't so focussed on profits.

Sure enough, the exact definition of 'terrorist' implies a non-govermental force, but we don't have a better word for what our leaders are doing to the rest of the world. Google says: "One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives" - well that's what our leaders have done! I don't think I'm going over the top as you so rudely implied, redrobbo, but I can't see how it should be surprising if my reaction is a little bit emotional. I'm outraged by the treatment of our leaders towards those less fortunate than ourselves.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Our leaders are murderers too, and if you look past the suited and booted surface it's perfectly obvious how simple it would be for them to decrease the death count if they weren't so focussed on profits.



I aint going to go into along debate as i haven't the time (about to log off) but you're being totally over the top Rosie. I can see that you're passionate about what you believe and listen to some of the things you have stated but again, i think you are being unreasonable.

Just my opinion!

Originally posted by DanSumption
Almost every time I drive around the ring road, I find it full of people in cars causing disruption and slowing up my journey. Yet people on bikes do it once a month and suddenly they're the bad guys.

They're on their to use the roads for the purpose they were built for - travel. Not protesting.

Originally posted by DanSumption

As for t020's point about protests like this "holding up emergency services" - absolute rot. I have been on several London Critical Mass rides, along with approximately 2000 other cyclists, roller skaters, walkers etc, and twice we have had to clear a path for ambulances. This usually took about 10 seconds. I would like to see 2000 cars get out of an ambulance's path that quickly - at times when I've been in a queue of just 10 cars it has taken longer than that!

It's not just a case of the cyclists being in the way - the cyclists cause congestion and tailbacks, meaning heavy traffic which may find it had to move out of the way for emergency services. As you say, cars in a queue tend to be slow at moving for emergency services. Usually on a Saturday morning the traffic is reasonably free flowing and this isn't an issue - congestion caused by selfish protestors makes it an issue and could cost lives.

Driving past at 7 a.m. this morning around Meadow Bank Road area and there were dozens of cops standing round, road sealed off etc etc etc. Looked like maybe Osama Bin Laden had been staying in one of the B&Bs round there. Anybody any idea what happened?

didn't feel like stopping and asking one of them what was happening just in case I got arrested as a murder suspect or something. Anyone got any ideas?

Something to do with the G8 conference at the Marriott Hotel perhaps?

haha. That explains what that Arab guy with the white robe and long beard was loitering around with a mobile phone to his ear then.

I was trying to look at the traffic cams today to look out for traffic problems to avoid.
Many of the city traffic cams are unavailable.
Could people post here details of unusual traffic conjestion and put the location of the congestion in the title.

Was it the guy from jabba labba labba street?
Did anyone see that puppet movie taking the micky out of the US approach to foreign policy where their comandos accidentaly destroyed the eifel tower and that big art gallery.

No real taffic problems, although i envisage it being worse this afternoon from around 4.00pm.

This morning there was some protestors positioned on the Park Square roundabout, contorary to some posters on here on Saturday, i did find it highly amusing, that is when i could rear my head away fromthe Daily Mail.

is it mainley afternoon then? its just of all days to have to come to town tomorrow is the day and its for an interview am i going to get trapped in some closed off street? my interview is 8.45. i have read most of the threads but still none the wiser:suspect: :mad:

Where is your interview Savbaby?

The road closures are in the area around the Winter Gardens today, and around the Cutler's Hall tomorrow.

Originally posted by t020
They're on their to use the roads for the purpose they were built for - travel. Not protesting.
Roads are also for the use of bicycles, but most people are terrified of taking a bike on the streets because of the danger from cars. Critical Mass is about creating a small space where cyclists can travel on the roads without feeling threatened. You shouldn't begrudge them a couple of hours a month when cars get free rein the rest of the time, and avoiding death is a bit more important than getting to work on time.

Originally posted by t020
the cyclists cause congestion and tailbacks, meaning heavy traffic which may find it had to move out of the way for emergency services.
I think you'll find it's cars that cause congestion and tailbacks.

Originally posted by mrchinnery
Was it the guy from jabba labba labba street?
Did anyone see that puppet movie taking the micky out of the US approach to foreign policy where their comandos accidentaly destroyed the eifel tower and that big art gallery.

You mean Team America..

and yes, it was hilarious.. :D

Joel

Yesterday afternoon, travelling out of town on Parkway, 7 police motorcyclists came from behind, also travelling out of town, all with blue lights flashing followed by two police cars sandwiching a maroon 05 plate Jag.The cars were approx 2 mtrs bumper to bumper travelling at about 90 kilomtrs and hour.

There were also police parked on every slip road, certainly that I passed.

Any one any idea who it was. I saw the Jag and thought immediately of Johhny Two Jabs, yes I do mean jabs!!

What on earth are you on about?

I presume he means John Prescott?

John Prescot is known as Johnny Two Jags, as he has two Jags, but also Johnny Two Jabs as he hit a protester twice in the recent past.

Hope that is clear

This convoy has just gone past, BUT the car carrying the celebrity was invisible. Either that, or they've lost it somewhere. Can forum members look out for a car carrying someone - we don't know who it is - but without a police escort.

Well done to Rosie for continuing to tell it how you see it. You are certainly not being over the top or unreasonable. Certainly far more reasonable than those suggesting that protests shouldn't be held as they can harbour terrorists, or that marches are inherently bad because they hold up emergency services, or that if you dissent to the G8 interior ministers meeting then you're somehow on the side of the terrorists.

Originally posted by BoppinBruce
Any one any idea who it was. I saw the Jag and thought immediately of Johhny Two Jabs, yes I do mean jabs!!

It will most likely have been one of the ministers attending the G8 Justice and Home Affairs meeting in Nether Edge. See one of the many threads about G8 for more details.

I must say the samba band put on a good show on the park square roundabout this morning!

Anyone fancy a dance?

Do posters here think these are likely given the roads that are to be closed? I'm struggling to think what knock-on effect it is likely to have. I've got to get from the University to Meadowhall about 5ish today which is not the best of journies normally.

Careful. I think that if there's more than two people dancing together in the city centre, the police can arrest you. But only if you're really terrible.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Roads are also for the use of bicycles, but most people are terrified of taking a bike on the streets because of the danger from cars. Critical Mass is about creating a small space where cyclists can travel on the roads without feeling threatened. You shouldn't begrudge them a couple of hours a month when cars get free rein the rest of the time, and avoiding death is a bit more important than getting to work on time.

I wouldn't mind if they were cycling with the purpose of what roads are for - making a journey. But they weren't, they were just deliberately holding people up to try to protest.


Originally posted by DanSumption

I think you'll find it's cars that cause congestion and tailbacks.

And I think YOU'LL find that when hundreds of protestors on cyclists do a "go slow" on a city ring road, it's the cyclists causing the congestion and tailbacks. Saturday mornings are usually relatively free flowing, as I said before.

Originally posted by t020
I wouldn't mind if they were cycling with the purpose of what roads are for - making a journey. But they weren't, they were just deliberately holding people up to try to protest.
A protest about the fact that it's impossible to make a journey safely by bike. Like I said, you have the roads for the other 700-plus hours in the month, don't begrudge cyclists a couple of hours.

Originally posted by t020
And I think YOU'LL find that when hundreds of protestors on cyclists do a "go slow" on a city ring road, it's the cyclists causing the congestion and tailbacks. Saturday mornings are usually relatively free flowing, as I said before.
If the car drivers got on their bikes, there would be no congestion.

Originally posted by DanSumption
A protest about the fact that it's impossible to make a journey safely by bike. Like I said, you have the roads for the other 700-plus hours in the month, don't begrudge cyclists a couple of hours.

I don't begrudge the cyclists of time on the roads - they have plenty of cycle lanes afterall. I do begrudge them deliberately causing disruption and not using the roads for their actual purpose.

Originally posted by DanSumption

If the car drivers got on their bikes, there would be no congestion.

If every car driver used their bike, who would be paying for the roads for the cyclists to drive on? Also there's this silly presumption that people enjoy sitting in traffic jams - if they didn't need to be doing it they wouldn't be.

Someone asked why Sheffield had been chosen to host this part of the G8 goings on. I heard on the radio a while ago that David Blunkett, no less, had lobbied quite forcefully to hold the event here. Obviously to raise the profile of our fair city amongst the world community.

Originally posted by t020
if they didn't need to be doing it they wouldn't be.
What rot! Why is road traffic increasing by about 1.5% per year, because more people need to use their cars? No, because it's convenient (even with traffic jams) for them to do so, and because they don't stop to think what they're doing.

For the record, I am a driver, but I go by bike, foot or bus whenever it's practical to do so. Most people I know don't take this attitude, they will just jump in their car without thinking, even just to pop down the road.

Originally posted by DanSumption
What rot! Why is road traffic increasing by about 1.5% per year, because more people need to use their cars? No, because it's convenient (even with traffic jams) for them to do so, and because they don't stop to think what they're doing.


Well, in a lot of cases people do *need* to use their car because of lack of a credible alternative. Cycling is fine in flat terrain with no rain, but we live in Sheffield. How many people want to go to/from work/shops/etc ending up in a sweaty mess or covered in rain? How many shopping bags can one carry in a bicycle basket? How practical is it to take the family out shopping on bikes?

And then there's public transport - unreliable, dirty, slower, still expensive, etc etc.

Originally posted by t020
Well, in a lot of cases people do *need* to use their car because of lack of a credible alternative. Cycling is fine in flat terrain with no rain, but we live in Sheffield. How many people want to go to/from work/shops/etc ending up in a sweaty mess or covered in rain? How many shopping bags can one carry in a bicycle basket? How practical is it to take the family out shopping on bikes?
None of which answers why more and more people "need" to drive each year.

Originally posted by DanSumption
None of which answers why more and more people "need" to drive each year.

Err it did didn't it? The operative word was "Credible". You can go by bus to work but why would you want to pay the high fares to be crammed in like cattle with god knows who?

Originally posted by barny_100
Err it did didn't it? The operative word was "Credible". You can go by bus to work but why would you want to pay the high fares to be crammed in like cattle with god knows who?
No, it didn't. Are buses really getting this much worse every year?

Besides, if you really object so much to being in close proximity with other people, I'd (politely) suggest you crawl a little further out of your arse and join the real world. People don't bite. Well, most of them don't.

Becuase the other thread is abit long is anyone able to post what roads are suffering as a result of the roads that are closed. Thanks

Ahh good to see the holier than thou types are still able to argue in a vaguely constructive manner! Anyway I was a student for 4 years in Sheffield and when on placement in Dronfield for over a year got the bus everyday to work as I was lucky enough to find a service that only required a 15 min walk to the correct stop and stopped right by my place of work. The fact it was a small bus that only had a few people on everyday was a bonus. However if I missed it by 30 seconds it was a 45 minute wait for the next one. So I don’t object to buses and other people as you seem to think.

I also don’t have my head up my a**e – I think you should look closer to home if you want to see an example of that – I was just pointing out that for the majority of commuters the buses are just not a reasonable option. The reasons for that are many and have been said before. Anyway the whole issues just hot air as it’s (Just about) a free country and if I want to drive my car to work I will do thank you very much! If you want to go by bus please do and I hope it works for you – just don’t expect me to put up with any self satisfied, pious rubbish that makes out your’s is the only ethical choice or whatever…

Originally posted by barny_100
I also don’t have my head up my a**e
Where did I mention your head?

You are, of course, almost entirely right. There are lots of good reasons for using cars, I never said there weren't. Some of them are the reasons why I use my car. What I was challenging was t020's claim that everyone who is driving a car at any given time needs to be doing so. That claim was, and remains, utter nonsense.

let's face it - buses are crap - cycling is crap - trains are crap
I pay enough of my hard earned cash and pay tax on virtually everything connected with my car - car tax, mot, insurance tax, fuel... do you want me to carry cos there's plenty more
why shouldn't i drive when i want I f*****g pay for the privilege !!!

Can I get into work in 15 mins from my house using any other way ? can i heck !! what happens if it rain/snows/too hot ? if idiots decide to strike ? i have to rearrange my whole life just to get into work !! no thanks !!

until there's a real viable option in terms of public transport i.e. which enables me to get to wherever I want without too much hassle, I suggest those who advocate public transport shut the f**k up.

Originally posted by terrano
Can I get into work in 15 mins from my house using any other way ? can i heck !! what happens if it rain/snows/too hot ? if idiots decide to strike ? i have to rearrange my whole life just to get into work !! no thanks !!

until there's a real viable option in terms of public transport i.e. which enables me to get to wherever I want without too much hassle, I suggest those who advocate public transport shut the f**k up.

Sheffield 4? Couldn't you just walk to town instead?

Originally posted by terrano
I suggest those who advocate public transport shut the f**k up.

Well argued.

Originally posted by terrano
Can I get into work in 15 mins from my house using any other way ? can i heck !!
I don't know what the traffic's like from where you are, but from where I live (Walkley) it takes about 15 minutes to drive into town (to the Showroom). By bike it takes less than 5 minutes. Admittedly, the return journey does take about the same time either way, but I save time overall on the round trip.

I did start a topic this morning asking for traffic probelms to be posted there but it got moved to the very long thread.
Just like this one has done so nobody will know to which reply and am commenting.

Originally posted by terrano
I suggest those who advocate public transport shut the f**k up.

Public transport, public transport, rah, rah, rah!

*Does little dance round Park Square roundabout to samba beats*

Originally posted by terrano
I pay enough of my hard earned cash and pay tax on virtually everything connected with my car - car tax, mot, insurance tax, fuel

Wow you could save loads of money if you got rid of it.

Originally posted by DanSumption
I don't know what the traffic's like from where you are, but from where I live (Walkley) it takes about 15 minutes to drive into town (to the Showroom). By bike it takes less than 5 minutes. Admittedly, the return journey does take about the same time either way, but I save time overall on the round trip.

Hmm not sure about those times mate - I often drive from Walkley to eccy road via Brook Hill roundabout in the morning and to get in at 9 I have to leave at 8.20 to be safe. It's better before 8 and after 9.30 but still - 15 mins isn't a fair reflection for when most people need to be in town (9am-ish)

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Wow you could save loads of money if you got rid of it.

Doesn't that only prove how valuble cars are that people are prepared to put up with the overly-high running costs?

Originally posted by DanSumption
Where did I mention your head?

You are, of course, almost entirely right. There are lots of good reasons for using cars, I never said there weren't. Some of them are the reasons why I use my car. What I was challenging was t020's claim that everyone who is driving a car at any given time needs to be doing so. That claim was, and remains, utter nonsense.


Everyone on the roads is making a journey and they wouldn't be making the journey if it wasn't a need in their life, e.g. getting to work, going shopping, etc. The fact that there is no credible alternative to cars in most situations means that in most cases people DO need their cars (unless they want their journey to take several times longer, arrive sweaty and/or soaking wet, have nowhere to store shopping, etc etc).

PS. Before you start accusing others of needing to "crawl a little further out of their ar*e" I suggest you review your own patronising, condescending and holier-than-thou posting style.

Originally posted by barny_100
Hmm not sure about those times mate - I often drive from Walkley to eccy road via Brook Hill roundabout in the morning and to get in at 9 I have to leave at 8.20 to be safe. It's better before 8 and after 9.30 but still - 15 mins isn't a fair reflection for when most people need to be in town (9am-ish)
I rarely drive in rush-hour, I'm not a masochist, but when I do then, yes, it takes about 30-40 minutes. Bike still takes less than 5 :)

But at the times I usually drive (mid afternoon, evening or at weekends) it usually takes about 15 minutes in the car.

Originally posted by t020
Everyone on the roads is making a journey and they wouldn't be making the journey if it wasn't a need in their life, e.g. getting to work, going shopping, etc. The fact that there is no credible alternative to cars in most situations means that in most cases people DO need their cars (unless they want their journey to take several times longer, arrive sweaty and/or soaking wet, have nowhere to store shopping, etc etc).
Your argument is still bullsh*t. Very few people in Sheffield don't have a shop within walking distance. There are credible alternatives to almost everything in life, just not ones that many people even take time to consider. Given that there are people in the world who have to walk miles just to get a drink of water, I dispute whether anyone needs to drive half-a-mile down the road so that they can go to the gym (where they'll then presumably get on an exercise bike).

Originally posted by t020
PS. Before you start accusing others of needing to "crawl a little further out of their ar*e" I suggest you review your own patronising, condescending and holier-than-thou posting style.
Yes, but I can get away with it because I *am* holier than you :P

Originally posted by DanSumption
I rarely drive in rush-hour, I'm not a masochist, but when I do then, yes, it takes about 30-40 minutes. Bike still takes less than 5 :)

But at the times I usually drive (mid afternoon, evening or at weekends) it usually takes about 15 minutes in the car.

Fair enough at the times you mention traffic isn't a major issue and, dare I say it, driving around is quite enjoyable. However I think it says a lot for the anti car-commuting argument that you had to be kind of disingenuous by not pointing out that your times were best case not realistic case scenario seeing as we were discussing commuting rather than offpeak driving.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Your argument is still bullsh*t. Very few people in Sheffield don't have a shop within walking distance. There are credible alternatives to almost everything in life, just not ones that many people even take time to consider. Given that there are people in the world who have to walk miles just to get a drink of water, I dispute whether anyone needs to drive half-a-mile down the road so that they can go to the gym (where they'll then presumably get on an exercise bike).


Sheffield is very hilly and working hours mean that most people can only do a weekly food shop, which means stocking up. How practical is it really to carry 10 or more carrier bag fulls of shopping walking up a hill, on a bike, or on a bus? How practical is it to get suited and booted for the office, only to arrive sweating cobs or soaked in rainwater? I agree with you over the whole gym phenomenon though.

Originally posted by DanSumption
I rarely drive in rush-hour, I'm not a masochist, but when I do then, yes, it takes about 30-40 minutes. Bike still takes less than 5 :)

But at the times I usually drive (mid afternoon, evening or at weekends) it usually takes about 15 minutes in the car.


Like me sir. I have a car and a car park pass but if I leave the house any time after 8-15 then I walk to work.

I could drive every day if I wanted to, but I don't need to. Sometimes I drive when I get up in time, but unlike t020 said, it's not because I have a need in my life to make that journey, it's because I can't be arsed to walk.

Originally posted by barny_100
Fair enough at the times you mention traffic isn't a major issue and, dare I say it, driving around is quite enjoyable. However I think it says a lot for the anti car-commuting argument that you had to be kind of disingenuous by not pointing out that your times were best case not realistic case scenario seeing as we were discussing commuting rather than offpeak driving.
I was discussing road-use in general, but nonetheless I don't quite understand your argument: you prefer car over bike when the car journey takes you 500% longer, but if it only took 200% longer then you might be tempted to take the bike?? :loopy:

...and if I was less lazy, I could get to work in 5 mins on my bike.

Originally posted by t020
How practical is it really to carry 10 or more carrier bag fulls of shopping walking up a hill, on a bike, or on a bus? How practical is it to get suited and booted for the office, only to arrive sweating cobs or soaked in rainwater? I agree with you over the whole gym phenomenon though.
Yay, we've found some common ground :)

I agree, not always practical, but still not impossible, I've done both on many occasions and I wouldn't really say it's damaged my quality of life. Hence I still don't agree that everyone on the road needs to be there. Wants to be there, would prefer to be there, yes I can deal with that, but I would guess that only about 10% of the people on the road at any given time really need to be there.

Originally posted by DanSumption
I was discussing road-use in general, but nonetheless I don't quite understand your argument: you prefer car over bike when the car journey takes you 500% longer, but if it only took 200% longer then you might be tempted to take the bike?? :loopy:

Haha - fair cop. i should really concentrate on one thing at a time shouldn't I? In response (And with my brain gear) I think t020 has pointed out the problems with Bikes for many people. But it also goes back to what I said before - personal choice. Anyway I like to play Funeral For A Friend's new album loud in my car so thats enough reasonn for me to go by car!

fundamental question - is there a viable alternative to me using my car ? the answer is no ! i just can't do the things i want to when i want to without my car - it's as simple as that.

imagine the wife is pregnant - she's getting pains - need to get her to hospital pretty quick - hang on love - let me get me f****g bike out OR let's start walking - by the time we get there she'd have had the baby !!!

there just is no substitute for it -

why should i get rid of my car ? i've been on buses trains and they are useless !! they never get you there on time that's if they f****g turn up in the first place

ps nobody's answered the questions which i posed in my original message

Disruption under way, just been informed that protestors are bloackin all access including trams on Glossop Road!

Originally posted by youwhatref
Disruption under way, just been informed that protestors are bloackin all access including trams on Glossop Road!
Bloody workshy yobbish gits - don't they know it's the police who are supposed to be blocking the trams!

Originally posted by youwhatref
Disruption under way, just been informed that protestors are bloackin all access including trams on Glossop Road!

just shout the words soap or work then they will soon bugger off:)

Originally posted by terrano
ps nobody's answered the questions which i posed in my original message
I only spotted the one, which was about getting to work in 15 minutes. As I pointed out, you'd be a lot quicker on a bike.

BTW, when your imaginary wife starts giving birth, do what I did, call a taxi. You probably won't be safe to drive anyway, what with the excitement and your hands shaking.

Originally posted by f_g
Becuase the other thread is abit long is anyone able to post what roads are suffering as a result of the roads that are closed. Thanks

MOD: Yet another thread about traffic disruption merged, number 23 I think.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Yay, we've found some common ground :)

I agree, not always practical, but still not impossible, I've done both on many occasions and I wouldn't really say it's damaged my quality of life. Hence I still don't agree that everyone on the road needs to be there. Wants to be there, would prefer to be there, yes I can deal with that, but I would guess that only about 10% of the people on the road at any given time really need to be there.


You're saying it IS possible to carry 10+ bags of shopping at once for a mile or two up a hill?

Just about to set off for the Don Valley Arena - any news on holdups etc?

Just back from town - quite a few police people wandering around but quite calm otherwise. My bus (95) seemed a little delayed but hey, what's new.

Saw a small group of demonstrators being marshalled down from Fargate to High Street - probably 30?? - very peaceful and singing rather tunefully.

Also saw a group of riot squad types being briefed - had teh long batons rather than the normal short batons - but what was hilarious was that a guy just sauntered up and joined the briefing. I assume he was a plain clothes guy rather or journalist rather than a passing tramp.... :)

If he WAS plain clothes - bad form to be seen with his uniformed colleagues!

Joe

Just took a stroll down to the Town Hall. Lots of fun and games going on.

3 protester clowns had put traffic cones on their heads and were creeping towards the police line. Very funny! (Even the police were laughing).

A group of very nice seeming protesters singing 'Deep Blue Sea'.

An old man with a mouth organ.

Some shady types wearing face coverings.

It all seemed rather good fun.

Well what a feckin badly organise disgrace.

The head of both the highways department and the Transport Executive deserve their head impaling on a spike for the traffic problems tonight......

As Arundel Gate was closed, buses were diverted to go from the Interchange instead, and operate via Paternoster Row/Brown Street instead.

So I went to the Interchange to find my bus. I remember reading it was going from stand D5, but there were no notices on the stop to confirm the 293 departed from that stop. The bus was also missing from the screens. No staff to ask either. Had to walk right down the other end of the complex for the half closed travel centre to ask someone who took about 5 minutes looking up, and eventually confirmed it was D5, they just hadn't bothered putting any notices up. Dashed back to stand D5 just as bus was pulling in and got on it fine.

One problem - due to the roadworks the diversionary route is a single track road with traffic lights guarding each end, causing complete gridlock for miles either side.

The bus doors shut to depart on time at 18:10. The bus passed the Howard pub at 18:25. However the bus would probably still be stuck there if the driver hadn't made the bold move of ignoring the red traffic lights and dashing through before anything in the other direction could move.

However, thanks to an excellent TM Travel driver getting his foot down by Bradway the delay had been cut down to 10 minutes. This was achieved by getting from Moorfoot to Bradway in 15 minutes......

Originally posted by t020
You're saying it IS possible to carry 10+ bags of shopping at once for a mile or two up a hill?
Well, yes, I've done it but probably for more like 1/2 a mile.

Alternatively, you could use the car to buy all the heavy stuff once a month or so (or online) and pop to your local greengrocers every few days for fresh food.

Any other city centre resident sick of that bloody helicopter? It has been hovering over the centre now for over 2 hours.

Most inconsiderate of Blunkett to invite his chums to Sheffield - surely somewhere like Rockall would have been less annoying and needed less of a police presence.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Well, yes, I've done it but probably for more like 1/2 a mile.

Alternatively, you could use the car to buy all the heavy stuff once a month or so (or online) and pop to your local greengrocers every few days for fresh food.

Or whip it all into your boot and drive it home. :clap:

"Need" is a relative and subjective word. At the lowest level, you're right, we don't *need* cars, but to support our lifestyles as we're used to them we do. We don't *need* houses, clothes, jobs, or anything really. We only *need* air, food and water.

what is going to happen after thursday,are all these threads about the summit going to be removed,quite honestly i will be glad to see and hear the back of it,does anyone else agree.

another ignorant lazy person, why dont you take a minute out and reserch and look at some of the images of the people who are starving to death because of poverty?? then say that your glad to see the back of it, people are protesting to try and make things better for people in Africa who cannot speak out for them self. you want to reserch before you ignorantly express your opinion.

Originally posted by bowerpower26
another ignorant lazy person, why dont you take a minute out and reserch and look at some of the images of the people who are starving to death because of poverty?? then say that your glad to see the back of it, people are protesting to try and make things better for people in Africa who cannot speak out for them self. you want to reserch before you ignorantly express your opinion.
i have done all that, and fully agree with everything they are doing, all i am saying is there are to many posts about transport road closures etc, and dont tell e i am feckin ignorant.

Originally posted by roughy101
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bowerpower26
another ignorant lazy person, why dont you take a minute out and reserch and look at some of the images of the people who are starving to death because of poverty?? then say that your glad to see the back of it, people are protesting to try and make things better for people in Africa who cannot speak out for them self. you want to reserch before you ignorantly express your opinion. [/QUOTEi have done all that, and fully agree with everything they are doing, all i am saying is there are to many posts about transport road closures etc, and dont tell e i am feckin ignorant. i am neither ignorant or lazy, and i am not glad to see the back of the plight of starving africa, i fully support everything being said and done,the other thing is dont come on after 7 posts bringing people down.
when you have been on here and read a lot more posts you may begin to understand the people on this orum

Mod. Note

Hi there,

Please cool it - the threads will stay up for a while until they finally drift down in to the archives. They'll be of interest to some forum users, so they'll stay around for a while.

As always, if people don't want to read threads they needn't read them.

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP

Mod. Note

Hi there,

Please cool it - the threads will stay up for a while until they finally drift down in to the archives. They'll be of interest to some forum users, so they'll stay around for a while.

As always, if people don't want to read threads they needn't read them.

Joe

thanx joe thats all i was saying,you know what it is like traveline and updates etc you finish up with the same things being said over and over.

Originally posted by t020
"Need" is a relative and subjective word. At the lowest level, you're right, we don't *need* cars, but to support our lifestyles as we're used to them we do. We don't *need* houses, clothes, jobs, or anything really. We only *need* air, food and water.
Yup, you're not wrong. And some people *need* to cycle their bikes around and around the roundabouts on the ringroad on a Saturday morning :clap:

Originally posted by DanSumption
Yup, you're not wrong. And some people *need* to cycle their bikes around and around the roundabouts on the ringroad on a Saturday morning :clap:

Oooh touché! :clap:

I think that "need" crosses the boundary of not being a need even in this country though.

Originally posted by youwhatref
Disruption under way, just been informed that protestors are bloackin all access including trams on Glossop Road!

Protestors didn't go anywhere near Glossop Road. Didn't block any roads today, in fact all roads were shut off by the police. SOrry to p*ss on your 'damned smelly hippies' bonfire there.

Anyway.

MY GOODNESS ME!

I went to the protest today, and great balls of fire I have NEVER seen anything like town this evening. Never ever! I reckon there were actually creeping into the 1000s when it came to police numbers. Absolutely everywhere. Arundel Gate was barricaded by special forces police officers in black riot ready outfits, and tens of riot vans were parked everywhere. Arundel Gate was blocked, and when I politely asked said line of scary police people (I was dead intimidated), they totally blanked me - one just told me 'we're not from round here. You're not allowed through.' And wouldn't respond further to that.

Other than that, those of us who were protesting in Tudor Square were informed that the police had prevented the further several hundred people from getting through to join us (bearing in mind that it is our democratic right to protest, noone caused any trouble this evening, and we are peace protestors - what part of peace don't they understand?). Those people, including the Sheffield Samba Band and the Rebel Clowns (someone else mentioned them - they're dead funny :D) were on Fargate instead. It;s ridiculous.

And aaaaggh I'm going to have to stop writing now. Christian is actually operating on his own nose in Nip/Tuck and I'm feeling rather sick.

I was at Ecclesall Rd cemetary on Saturday, I noticed the police outside there were wearing jackets saying "Metropolitan Police". I've heard of flying pickets but... flying police?

Mind you, somebody mentioned on another thread here that Sheffield has friendlier people than London but London has friendlier police. Perhaps they were just putting on a special welcome for our friends from the G8.

Originally posted by t020
Well, in a lot of cases people do *need* to use their car because of lack of a credible alternative. Cycling is fine in flat terrain with no rain, but we live in Sheffield. How many people want to go to/from work/shops/etc ending up in a sweaty mess or covered in rain? How many shopping bags can one carry in a bicycle basket? How practical is it to take the family out shopping on bikes?

And then there's public transport - unreliable, dirty, slower, still expensive, etc etc.
I use my bike on Sheffields roads for fun I love annoying motorists in big flashy cars especially in S10 area where I live if the car drivers come too close I swear at them and if they fight back I will find them again:hihi:

Originally posted by noseyrosie
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Originally posted by nick2
Where is Hanover Way ?

Dual carriageway at the top of West Street - University Roundabout etc.

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Protestors didn't go anywhere near Glossop Road. Didn't block any roads today, in fact all roads were shut off by the police. SOrry to p*ss on your 'damned smelly hippies' bonfire there.

Are you sure? Did you check where Glossop Road is on the Map:heyhey:

Originally posted by MongMental
Are you sure did you check wher Glossop Road is on the Map:heyhey:

Your post makes no sense. How does my knowing where Glossop Rd and Hanover Way are (yes they do go on to each other) affect the location of the protests....?

Originally posted by MongMental
I use my bike on Sheffields roads for fun I love annoying motorists in big flashy cars especially in S10 area where I live if the car drivers come too close I swear at them and if they fight back I will find them again:hihi:

You should be very proud of yourself. :rolleyes: