Bus fare rises 25th june. Let the moaning begin!!

Originally posted by unners
Bus fare rises 25th june. Let the moaning begin!!

Isn't it about time for their annual strike?

Nah,thats next year as lasts years was a 2 year pay deal.

Originally posted by ptigga
Isn't it about time for their annual strike?

it's about time us poor passangers had a strike!

yeah agreed and that would make the drivers more pleasent aswell!

Does anyone know what the new bus fairs are going to be? Or if there is going to be any change to the child/OAP/16-18 fares?

You have got to be kidding right?!
Is this just First or all of them?

AGAIN?!

Christ!!!!!

Excuse me while I go and bang my head against the wall.

Couldn't have put it better myself Rosie...

I can't afford to catch the bus lol!

50p -50p
85p-90p
£1.20-£1.30
£1.50-£1.60
£1.80-£1.90
Travel adda 85p-90p
Switcher £1.90-£2.00
Student weekly £8.00-£10.00
First week £12.50-£13.00
Day saver in sheffield same but for use out of sheffield £3.00 all day
first week south yorks £15.00
centro staying the same

And were First lead the others follow a week or two later.

I believe this info to be correct,its just what one of my old work mates who still works for First told me in the pub.

Originally posted by unners
50p -50p
85p-90p
£1.20-£1.30
£1.50-£1.60
£1.80-£1.90
Travel adda 85p-90p
Switcher £1.90-£2.00
Student weekly £8.00-£10.00
First week £12.50-£13.00
Day saver in sheffield same but for use out of sheffield £3.00 all day
first week south yorks £15.00
centro staying the same

And were First lead the others follow a week or two later.
How about concessions?

Originally posted by noseyrosie
How about concessions?

Not so far as im aware. us council tax payers will still be funding your 40p's

So... what is the reason for this price increase?

Rising fuel costs?

Aah, we know where to point the finger of blame then.

Originally posted by unners
Not so far as im aware. us council tax payers will still be funding your 40p's
I won't be getting 40p's after then end of July anyway....urgh.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
I won't be getting 40p's after then end of July anyway....urgh.

Does this mean you're going to get yourself a job :hihi:

Originally posted by Abdul
Does this mean you're going to get yourself a job :hihi:
Shock horror ey?!

It's the summer between school and uni so I am supposed to be getting myself a job, yes. Shop or Cafe in easy reach of where I live, preferably town centre. Anyone want me?

Originally posted by unners
Bus fare rises 25th june. Let the moaning begin!!

How much will it cost me to catch a bus from the interchange to Walkley?

:)


P.S: I'm extremely frugal.

Originally posted by amhudson119
How much will it cost me to catch a bus from the interchange to Walkley?

:)


P.S: I'm extremely frugal.


It is £1.20 so it will go up to £1.30. It should be about 50p.

These price rises are crazy. It is cheaper to drive my car and park in town at the weekend than it is to get the bus. :rant:

Just glad I'm moving into the town center, so I won't have to worry about buses into/out of the city center and to/from the union. Saving money on the rent anyway, and now saving money on buses... :thumbsup:

Mind you, the fares are still cheaper than they are up here on Teesside :loopy:

Originally posted by unners
Not so far as im aware. us council tax payers will still be funding your 40p's

Just as they will be funding your parents and you when retirement age comes

Whats a "bus" ?

Originally posted by alankearn
Just as they will be funding your parents and you when retirement age comes

My parents dont catch buses as there are none where they live and i have a car.

Originally posted by Kate179
It is £1.20 so it will go up to £1.30. It should be about 50p.

These price rises are crazy. It is cheaper to drive my car and park in town at the weekend than it is to get the bus. :rant:

Agreed 100%

It costs me a fiver a week for petrol to commute to and from work. Taking the bus will now cost me £13 a week.

Although I own a car, I choose to take the bus every other week when I'm in early, but I fear it will soon be economically unviable to do so...!

All this at a time when the Govt and Council want to encourage / force more people to take public transport :loopy:

there not going up yet anyway, i don't know where you got this information from unners.

I buy a First Month ticket, and the price of that has gone up by 10%, from £39 to £44 (for Sheffield). I submitted an email via First's website asking why they saw an increase five times the rate of inflation acceptable, and they came back with the same old crap that it is to cover labour and fuel costs. They also stated that daily fairs were not increasing - but this isn't much comfort as they were only increased a couple of months ago. And am I right in thinking that the weekly tickets went up a matter of months ago and have now gone up AGAIN?

I am taking this as a bus drivers red herring / whine up until I read confimation from First Web site.

They could have waited longer than a couple of months (or so, seeing as it's not happening quite yet...) since the last increase.

Originally posted by unners
Student weekly £8.00-£10.00

I hate First mainline! why do they insist on putting prices up and then cutting the services back? surely it should be one or the other? I cant believe the cost of bus travel...

I remember when I paid 15p for my bus to school... now they pay 40p... surely thats a lot more than inflation in the last 9 years?

Originally posted by xafier
I remember when I paid 15p for my bus to school... now they pay 40p... surely thats a lot more than inflation in the last 9 years?

I remember paying 2p when I was a kid - and I'm only 26!!

I can remember paying 2p as well.

Yes another price hike, gawd how many is that in the last year ?????

I am glad I live in the town centre and can wak anyway, this makes using the tram look cheap now, and at least they turn up, and more reliable.

I bet they would think twice if everyone stopped using their buses and caught the Yorkshire Terrier to work, remember it happened when they went on strike...... power is in your hands... well not mind .. I walk.. but I do feel sorry for everyone else.... wages do not rise to take in the price hike..... I wonder who is now actually paying for the bus strike that happened ......

it'd be great if I could find an alternative... but neither the 120 terrier, nor the tram I can catch go anywhere near where I work, and the 41 still gets closer to Uni than both... so I really I have no option... damn them!

anyways, im leaving sheffield soon, good riddence :P then again, prices in manchester are probably worse? lol

Originally posted by peter41
I can remember paying 2p as well.

Yes another price hike, gawd how many is that in the last year ?????

I am glad I live in the town centre and can wak anyway, this makes using the tram look cheap now, and at least they turn up, and more reliable.

I bet they would think twice if everyone stopped using their buses and caught the Yorkshire Terrier to work, remember it happened when they went on strike...... power is in your hands... well not mind .. I walk.. but I do feel sorry for everyone else.... wages do not rise to take in the price hike..... I wonder who is now actually paying for the bus strike that happened ......

I think that I am correct in saying that the fare increase will take place in all First operating areas throughout the country on the same day,probably to help pay for the army of managers they employ.

Originally posted by xafier
I hate First mainline! why do they insist on putting prices up and then cutting the services back? surely it should be one or the other? I cant believe the cost of bus travel...

I remember when I paid 15p for my bus to school... now they pay 40p... surely thats a lot more than inflation in the last 9 years?

That works out at 11.51% per year (compound), compared to the government's official inflation figure of 1 or 2%.

As of June 25th, the fare I most often use will have gone up from £1 to £1.30 in 26 months, an inflation rate of 12.87%

Would be nice if buses went where people wanted them to go! Not just in and out of town!

so soon? im being robbed, i get a pay rise at work only to be taken away by these dayum bus people!!! ridiculous, they suck

perhaps First are hoping people will be so revved up by the whole G8 / Live 8 debate - the bus fares are going up from Saturday....

they are taking the ****!

SEE LOWER THREAD

I know, my boyfriend told me yesterday and I really couldnt believe it. I dont know how they can justify when they only did it a few months ago. Might just stop using the First buses altogether!!! Its not like they get us there any faster, why should we pay more!!!

Here's the story: -

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1055461

like the quote "These fare increases are a bit like the buses, they come in threes"

Originally posted by ptigga
Isn't it about time for their annual strike?

I think they take it in turn with the G8 protesters to see which group can cause most disruption to the ordinary people of Sheffield.

All together now:

"Though cowards flinch,
and trators sneer,
we'll keep the red flag flying here".

:hihi:

BTW. When did the fares last rise? I thought it was only a few weeks back or am I confused here?

Just as a point of interest does anyone know how the fare rises in recent years compare to the rate of inflation generally? I would guess that it is a lot higher than the general rate of inflation but don't know for sure.

Just as a point of interest does anyone know how the fare rises in recent years compare to the rate of inflation generally? I would guess that it is a lot higher than the general rate of inflation but don't know for sure.

If the examples from a few posts ago are typical, First's fares go up by around 11 to 13% per year, as compared to an official inflation figure of around 2%.

Does anybody have a time series of the different types of fare, so that we can see if this applies across the board?

Originally posted by slimsid2000
BTW. When did the fares last rise? I thought it was only a few weeks back or am I confused here?

A little of both.

all the information about the news is on the new forum topic near the top of the page thanks.

i wish people would read the topic properly most bus fares are going down apart from single ones hope this is the information you need

Umm ... but in the list you posted, only two of the prices had gone down, namely the South Yorkshire 1 week and 1 month tickets ... :confused: ... and it looks like you'll have to buy these even if you only want a pass to go, say, a couple of miles to work and back each day within Sheffield or Rotherham, etc.

Originally posted by compac

i wish people would read the topic properly most bus fares are going down apart from single ones hope this is the information you need

Well, I counted 23 different tickets in your list - of which:
17 are going up
4 are remaining unchanged
2 are coming down.

The fact is - more people will be disadvantaged by the changes.

Originally posted by compac
i wish people would read the topic properly most bus fares are going down apart from single ones hope this is the information you need

What planet are you on? Virtually all fares are going UP.

15/06/2005 Ticket Simplification Brings New Travel Opportunities

First, South Yorkshire’s leading bus company is simplifying the range of saver products as part of a package of price change measures from Saturday 25th June.

The existing range of day, week and month tickets will be rationalised to three simple and easy to understand products which can be used across the First South Yorkshire bus network. As part of this extension, some prices increase, some are unchanged and some are reduced.

Within this package of changes, adult single tickets will increase by 10p except for the 85p (5p increase to 90p) and the standard 50p fare, which will be unchanged. These prices reflect the continued cost pressures on the business such as insurance, vandalism and fuel (due to the dramatic increase in cost of crude oil).

More information for customers will be available on buses this week.

Brandon Jones, Commercial Director of First in South Yorkshire commented: “Due to the on-going, above-inflationary cost pressures on the business we have reluctantly been forced into further price changes for our customers. Where possible we have tried to introduce a balance of changes by freezing some fares and reducing others but some increases have been necessary. He added: “In addition our range of saver products have been simplified and now offer greater value to customers providing unlimited travel across our bus network in South Yorkshire for as little as £1.60 per day.”


Summary of price changes from Saturday 25th June 2005:

SINGLE FARES
Existing - 50p / New Unchanged

Existing - 85p / New 90p

Existing - 120p / New 130p

Existing - 150p / New 160p

Existing - 180p / New 190p

Existing - 210p / New 220p

Existing - 30p Centro / New Unchanged

Existing - 50p FirstHop / New 60p

Existing - 85p Travel Adda / New 90p

Existing - 190p Switcha / New 200p

DAY TICKETS
Existing - £3 day South Yorkshire
New - Unchanged

Existing - £2.50 off-peak day South Yorkshire
New - £3 day South Yorkshire

Existing - £5.50 FirstDay Group
New - £6.00 FirstDay Group

WEEK TICKETS
Existing - £12.50 Sheffield
New - £13 South Yorkshire

Existing - £12 Doncaster
New - £13 South Yorkshire

Existing - £12 Rotherham
New - £13 South Yorkshire

Existing - £15 South Yorkshire
New - £13 South Yorkshire

Existing - £8 Sheffield Student
New - £10 South Yorkshire Student

Existing - £10 South Yorkshire Student
New - Unchanged

MONTH TICKETS
Existing - £43 Sheffield
New - £45 South Yorkshire

Existing - £41 Doncaster
New - £45 South Yorkshire

Existing - £41 Rotherham
New - £45 South Yorkshire

Existing - £49 South Yorkshire
New - £45 South Yorkshire
15/06/2005 Fares Fair For Everyone!

First, South Yorkshire’s leading bus company, today announced a new initiative to tackle fare evasion.

From 1st July 2005 a Standard Fare of £35 will be introduced on all First buses in South Yorkshire to combat over-riding and misuse of prepaid tickets.

Bus industry estimates suggest that incidents of passenger fraud has an impact of between 1-2% on company revenues which in the case of First in South Yorkshire represents several hundreds of thousands of pounds per year.

The Standard Fare of £35 may be charged to anyone who doesn’t have a valid ticket, pass or permit when asked for by a company Inspector. First are keen to promote this initiative in advance both in the media and on buses. The awareness campaign commences this week and will include leaflets and posters on bus, bus floor vinyl’s and stickers around the bus entrance.

Any customer who is uncertain about their fare or has any concerns about the Standard Fare should contact First customer services on 01709 566000.

Brandon Jones, Commercial Director of First, South Yorkshire said: “We don’t want to charge anyone with the Standard Fare but have to recognise that a small minority are not paying the correct fare for their journey and this is not fair on the vast majority that do. There’s no valid excuse for an invalid ticket and I would encourage anyone who is unsure about their fare to please speak to a driver or our customer services.”

hope that this is less confusing and if you have any questions about these fare changes please list them in the forum below.

are first south yorkshire ripping us off?yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hope that the above news is simplyfied enough as the other post did not even say what was changing.
thanks:|

It's sweet of them to simplify the fares for us. Cos when they last put fares up in, erm, March, it was very confusing.

I like this bit: "I would encourage anyone who is unsure about their fare to please speak to a driver or our customer services."

Yes, i'm not sure why my fare has gone up by 18% in the last 3 months.

Originally posted by compac
rationalised

Should that not be...increased?

"As part of this extension, some prices increase, some are unchanged and some are reduced."

As they don't seem to be able to count for themselves:
11 increase
4 are unchanged
2 are reduced

And 6 you can argue the toss about as the price goes up but they cover a larger area (but much more simply, d'ya see.)

They might as well simplify it further and just issue one £4,500 a month ticket - buy hey - we'll be able to get a first bus anywhere in the country for it, so it works out cheaper..!!

I can't believe their cheek! The First month tickets went up at the end of May and now they are to go up again at the end of June!! I only use my ticket to travel within Sheffield so why should I have to pay the premium of travelling throughout South Yorkshire?!?

Yes, how about the passengers go on strike! On every journey where there is an alternative, for one week, everyone should use the alternative:

Yorkshire Terrier
25 Bradway-Woodhouse
37A Burncross-Meadowhall
49 Herdings-Sheffield
52 Hillsborough-Woodhouse
61/62A Hillsborough-Bradfield circle
64 Hillsborough-Derwent
72/72A/72B Batemoor-Manvers/Wombell/Meadowhall
73 Meadowhall-High Green
74A Millhouses-High Green
120 Hallamshire Hospital - Halfway
123 Holbrook-Walkley
M22 Firth Park-Sheffield

TM Travel
55 Mosborough-Birley
65 Meadowhall-Buxton
89 Sheffield-Chesterfield Royal Hospital
213/214 Matlock-Meadowhall
252 Waterthorpe-Sheffield
285 Sheffield-Dronfield
293 Meadowhall-Chesterfield Royal Hospital
294 Sheffield-Dronfield

Stagecoach East Midlands
43/44 Sheffield-Chesterfield
50 Sheffield-Chesterfield
53 Sheffield-Mansfield
252 Waterthorpe-Sheffield
253 Waterthorpe-Sheffield
265 Barnsley-Sheffield
272 Sheffield-Castleton
273 Sheffield-Castleton
274 Sheffield-Castleton
727 Sheffield-Chesterfield
M17 Dore-Jordanthorpe
M49 Firth Park-Parson Cross
M50 Firth Park-Southey Green

Sheffield Community Transport
266/267 Hillsborough-Worrall circle
B1 Grimesthorpe-Meadowhall
B2 Grimesthorpe-Meadowhall
D1 Burngreave-Catcliffe
P1/P2 Southey Green-Northern General Hospital circle
S1/S2 Meadowhall-Northern General Hospital circle

Powells
82 Bents Green-Sheffield
97A Millhouses-Northern General Hospital

Hulleys
272 Meadowhall-Castleton

Barnsley & District
265 Sheffield-Barnsley
X30 Meadowhall-Barnsley

Arriva Yorkshire
X33 Sheffield-Bradford

Yorkshire Traction
X30 Sheffield-Leeds
X92 Meadowhall-Doncaster

Stagecoach Supertram
YELLOW Meadowhall-Middlewood
BLUE Halfway-Malin Bridge
PURPLE Herdings Park-Sheffield

Northern Rail
N23 Sheffield-Manchester
SY1 Sheffield-Adwick/Scunthorpe
SY2 Sheffield-Leeds/York
SY3 Sheffield-Leeds/Huddersfield
SY4 Sheffield-Lincoln/Cleethorpes

Central Trains
A Norwich-Liverpool

Virgin Trains
VT3 Aberdeen-Penzance
VT4 Glasgow-Bournemouth

Midland Mainline
ML Leeds/Barnsley/Sheffield-London

Riddle me this-

For a journey comprising of 5 stops I was paying £1.20 and again on the journey home (4 stops) the same. I regularly asked the drivers why the 3-stop hop was 50p and how it jumped up to £1.20 - where was the 85p fare stage? No answer apart from, 'well it gets a bit complicated'. I'll say, as I was regularly puzzled at paying for a ticket that had Bradfield Road printed on it - which was a further 7 stops away.
Still waiting for a reply from First Mainline on this one.

P.S. I know it's a short distance that could be walked but as a carer with a decent physical workload I try to save a bit of energy for my own domestic workload when I get home.

I get a grant from uni to pay for books and such. The majority of last years did go on bus fair to and from uni, but it looks like a lot more will be.

We really are being ripped off - I visit my friend who lives about half an hour by bus out of Wolverhampton centre and it costs £1 each way. It also costs £1 from Wolverhampton centre to Merry Hill shopping centre - ok, its not that far, but that's by car. This bus goes all over Wolves before it gets to Merry Hill so it takes a good hour to get there. I think the £1 each way on that service is very good value.
It'd be interesting to know if any other bus companies in other cities, besides First, are charging the same as in Sheffield or more or less.
I thought TM were going to be cheaper than Mainline - but it was still 85p on the 55 between Dyke Vale and Crystal Peaks as I found out the other day.

Its bloody disgraceful another price rise - just when i was getting used to the 1.20 fare. I will definitely start walking inito work more from now on ... sadly they are just another company screwing the max profit out of the public - yes sadly oil prices are higher thanks to the Iraq war ...

.. maybe we should be down at the Winter gardens protesting the G8 for being indirectly responsible for our bus fares going up again ...

TM Travel generally seem to charge the same as First for single tickets, however you can save on TM by buying a 2 trip ticket, which is valid for 2 single journeys between the points on the ticket. This can be used as a return, or the second journey can be an identical one a few days later. you can also by a 10 trip strip card, which works on the same principle.

Yorkshire Terrier is a little bit cheaper than First, as is Stagecoach.

I've also discovered on Abbeydale Road that First charge less on the X18 bus than they do on the 97/97A etc, as it works out of the Stoke on Trent depot rather than the Sheffield one.

Just for information if you are buying a First weekly at the New price of £13 from 25/6/05 and using the tram with an adda extra ticket you may as well buy a PTE Sheffield Zone Travelmaster Master weekly at £16 and is valid on all buses / trams / trains the only drawback is you have to buy it at the PTE travel centres. Also of course they is the New SY Daytripper ticket at £3.95 and valid on all buses / trams ( all day )and trains after 0930 M to F but valid all day sat/sun/BH and may be purchased on the bus.
Looking at the New First Fare structure they may as well change to a Zonal Fare system of say travel in one zone for 50p / two = £1 / three = £1.50 / four = £2 Now that would be easy to understand and simply! and the drivers would only need a bag of 50p and £1 coins for change!!!

It bugs me too, this fare rise. I get the 21 from Killamarsh into the bus station five days a week (no choice here, it is the only bus I can take). There is invariably a bus missing in the evening, if not two, with no explanation given. The morning ones are very erratic, coming within a 10 minute spread either way of when they are due, not at all, or two or three together. Lately First have taken to putting one of those wheelchair friendly single deckers on the route which just is not big enough and is usually jammed full before it even reaches the end of Mosborough. Quite frequently, the bus drivers miss off the last two stops into town, so I have to walk. Now I don't mind exercise, but I already spend all day on my feet and I don't need any extra, especially when I am paying for the privilege.

For this, I must pay the princely sum of £15, the same fare as I would pay for swanning all day, everyday around South Yorkshire. I could have paid a bit less if I walk the first couple of stops and get to Sheffield's boundaries.

The latest rise was ridiculous for me, because it was actually cheaper (by 50p) to buy Day tickets, than a weekly ticket, due to my Saturday working. Anyway, it was the straw that broke the camel's back - I am now walking up to Halfway and catching the tram, just £8. It comes on time, usually gets all the way (when miscellaneous meetings and crashes don't hold it up) and I get a seat! (The downside of course is the 25 minute walk each way to Halfway).

Originally posted by unners
Bus fare rises 25th june. Let the moaning begin!!


It's outragious . . .


Fuel prices haven't increased and drivers refuse to have a pay rise.

It's an absolute disgrace!! It will be cheaper for me to buy a new pair of shoes every month and walk everywhere!! It wouldn't be so bad if it was a reliable service!

I seem to remember that First cancelled about 50 routes about 6 weeks ago to save money, now fares go up. I think last years profits of £103m will be well beaten this year.

Maybe we can complain to the council to try and get First's contract put out for tender?

A poster on the buses today: "We don't want to charge you £35"
Umm, are you sure?! :suspect:

by the time I'm 30 it'll be £2 wont it.

bunch of muppets

I get the 51 to work from Crosspool and ask for a £1.20 to town. A few times I've notcied when looking at my ticket (while in town) that the driver has given me an 80p to Broomhill ticket instead.

What if an inspector came on the bus then - would they try to get me to pay £35 for something that isn't my fault??
I can really see the driver standing up for me and admitting he made a mistake in that situation, can't you?! :loopy:

Originally posted by parcher
I am now walking up to Halfway and catching the tram, just £8. It comes on time, usually gets all the way (when miscellaneous meetings and crashes don't hold it up) and I get a seat! (The downside of course is the 25 minute walk each way to Halfway).

You could always get the Stagecoach 70 bus from Killamarsh to Halfway to get the tram....

I could, but then I would pay nearly as much as a bus all the way to Sheffield and the 70 doesn't exactly have a frequent service!

Oh Oh! I have a spare Sheffield First Month ticket which I bought before the last fare rise. No doubt when I try and validate it for July I'll be told " Nah! Sorry mate, these tickets are no longer valid, you'll have to get a South Yorkshire one. Or cough up £35."

Expect a page of angry letters in the Star accompanied by the usual mealy-mouthed crap from Brandon Jones, "Of course we always aim to provide our customers with a first class service etc. etc. "

Yet another kick in the nads from our wonderful bus service.

What I don't understand is before the last rise and the cut of all the bus services, the council were saying that if First don't improve the bus service then they'd take away their license. Since then the bus fares have gone up in the space of 2 months (the last rise was April, wasn't it?), at that time they cut A LOT of services, they're no more reliable than they were before they were told to sort themselves out and the whole service has gone the opposite way to what it should have done. So why aren't the council following up with what they 'threatened', because First are terrible and need to be stopped.

How about a customer revenge day on First SY buses by getting together a group of people and arrange it so that we keep a chain of people along a route or routes and pass on a £3 All day ticket as we get off pass the ticket on !!!

In the interest of balance i have just been looking at some fares on the Supertram website and compared the same trip with a trip on the 41 or 95 First service.

Halfway to city centre, £1.70 on tram £1.50 on bus
Halfway to Crystal Peaks,£1.00 on tram 85p on bus
Manor to centre,£1.40 on tram £1.20 on bus
Catherdral to west street 80p on tram 50p on bus.

So in my little test on four destinations the bus was cheaper.
And before anybody comes back saying that the tram is more reliable,hence worth the extra well its bound to be as the traffic system in Sheffield favours the Tram.

One example how the system in Sheffield is unhelpful to the Bus,next time you are on a Bus leaving the Bus station look at how you wait two minutes to turn right to go past the train station,only for the new 'supercrossing'outside the Train Station to turn to red every single time.
Now when a driver has Ten minutes to get to Manor Top he has wasted 3minutes or more just to get past the Station!.

So Jan if you are reading this can you send someone from Streetforce to change the crossing so its in sink with the Bus Station!

Hardly rocket science!

Unners you seem to have forgotten to add the fare increase which starts on Saturday June 25th as per your first thread !
85p becomes 90p £1.20 becomes £1.30 and £1.50 beomes £1.60
I think the public of Sheffield and are fed up with First by Trying to hide a fare increase behind a simplied Fare Structure. On the leaflet and poster which appeared yesterday it has no mention of an increase. As i have mention before First may as well change to a 4 or 5 zonal system with a 50p per zone travel through fare which would be seem a more easier system for the public to understand and less risk of having a wrong fare ticket and getting a fine of £35

Just had a quick look around the First group web and it looks like most of it areas of operation where its the main player are having a fare increase or other adjustments from next weekend, so we can feel a little better that we are not being singled out!!!

when it comes to weekly commuter tickets it comes out different though:

Stagecoach weekly Megarider : Tram only : £8.00
Stagecoach weekly Megarider : Tram & Bus : £9.00

TM Travel : 10 trip strip ticket : Sheffield-Bradway : £9.75

First Week : £13.00

Originally posted by silverknight
How about a customer revenge day on First SY buses by getting together a group of people and arrange it so that we keep a chain of people along a route or routes and pass on a £3 All day ticket as we get off pass the ticket on !!!

That idea would be great if it was a new one,people do that anyway.

Originally posted by Andy C
when it comes to weekly commuter tickets it comes out different though:

Stagecoach weekly Megarider : Tram only : £8.00
Stagecoach weekly Megarider : Tram & Bus : £9.00

TM Travel : 10 trip strip ticket : Sheffield-Bradway : £9.75

First Week : £13.00

Can you use a Tram & Bus Megarider on the First buses?

As I said earlier I emailed them last month after the first increase in the First Month ticket and they replied by saying it was because of increased fuel and labour costs. Anyway, I emailed them again last week after they announced that the First Sheffield ticket was being withdrawn and I would have to buy a more expensive South Yorkshire ticket instead. And what do you know - they sent an almost identical letter to the first! Again saying it was due to increased labour and fuel costs - but they also threw increased vandalism in as well this time. What this has to do with people being forced to buy a ticket that covers the whole of South Yorkshire when they only travel a couple of miles to work and back within Sheffield is beyond me.

Does anyone know if Yorkshire terrier do any weekly or monthly tickets and how much they are? Also does anyone know what route the 49 takes into town - does it go anywhere near Bramall Lane?

Originally posted by banesmabes
As I said earlier I emailed them last month after the first increase in the First Month ticket and they replied by saying it was because of increased fuel and labour costs. Anyway, I emailed them again last week after they announced that the First Sheffield ticket was being withdrawn and I would have to buy a more expensive South Yorkshire ticket instead. And what do you know - they sent an almost identical letter to the first! Again saying it was due to increased labour and fuel costs - but they also threw increased vandalism in as well this time. What this has to do with people being forced to buy a ticket that covers the whole of South Yorkshire when they only travel a couple of miles to work and back within Sheffield is beyond me.

Does anyone know if Yorkshire terrier do any weekly or monthly tickets and how much they are? Also does anyone know what route the 49 takes into town - does it go anywhere near Bramall Lane?

I'm sure I've seen the Yorkshire Terrier advertise a weekly ticket as £8...

SINGLE FARES
Existing - 50p / New Unchanged

Existing - 85p / New 90p

Existing - 120p / New 130p

Existing - 150p / New 160p

Existing - 180p / New 190p

Existing - 210p / New 220p

Existing - 30p Centro / New Unchanged

Existing - 50p FirstHop / New 60p

Existing - 85p Travel Adda / New 90p

Existing - 190p Switcha / New 200p

DAY TICKETS
Existing - £3 day South Yorkshire
New - Unchanged

Existing - £2.50 off-peak day South Yorkshire
New - £3 day South Yorkshire

Existing - £5.50 FirstDay Group
New - £6.00 FirstDay Group

WEEK TICKETS
Existing - £12.50 Sheffield
New - £13 South Yorkshire

Existing - £12 Doncaster
New - £13 South Yorkshire

Existing - £12 Rotherham
New - £13 South Yorkshire

Existing - £15 South Yorkshire
New - £13 South Yorkshire

Existing - £8 Sheffield Student
New - £10 South Yorkshire Student

Existing - £10 South Yorkshire Student
New - Unchanged

MONTH TICKETS
Existing - £43 Sheffield
New - £45 South Yorkshire

Existing - £41 Doncaster
New - £45 South Yorkshire

Existing - £41 Rotherham
New - £45 South Yorkshire

Existing - £49 South Yorkshire
New - £45 South Yorkshire


OMG:o what a rip off for student tickets. hardly worth it :rant:

Originally posted by tango2
That idea would be great if it was a new one,people do that anyway.

Nothing wrong with it though is there? loads of people (me included) pass them on on late night buses when you've got no further use for it - and i'm sure that one of their pieces of promotional literature at some point promoted passing the ticket on - may have been when off-peak ones were introduced...

Originally posted by Hook
Can you use a Tram & Bus Megarider on the First buses?

No, just Stagecoach buses within South Yorkshire.

For example the 43/44/253/727 between Sheffield and Meadowhead and the 50/53 between Sheffield and Mosborough.

Information at www.supertram.com and www.stagecoachbus.com/chesterfield

Originally posted by banesmabes
Also does anyone know what route the 49 takes into town - does it go anywhere near Bramall Lane?

In town it starts on Flat Street, the Arundel Gate, Furnival Gate, Charter Row, Moorfoot, London Road and Chesterfield Road, then turns left up Valley Road through Heeley, Newfield Green and Hemsworth to Herdings.

Originally posted by banesmabes
As I said earlier I emailed them last month after the first increase in the First Month ticket and they replied by saying it was because of increased fuel and labour costs.

Their argument would carry a bit more weight if the increases hadn't been going on at much the same rate for several years before the recent fuel price hikes; and/or if drivers' wages (like the fares) had also been going up at around 5 or 6 times the rate of inflation.

Just to annoy everyone!!!

Im starting a new job on Monday at the transport Executive which actually means I get a free South Yorkshire Travel pass for Bus/Trams and Trains!

I propose that everyone goes down this route and then any increases only make you even more smug!

However, I do promise to make it my first priority that all Sheffield Forum users get free or at least reduced prices - can't see that going down too well but I can only try.

oi!! you get free bus fares!! that int fair (so thats where all our rising ticket prices go to!!)
do you get a decent wage too? not being nosy or anything!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by noseyrosie
AGAIN?!

Christ!!!!!

Excuse me while I go and bang my head against the wall. [
/QUOTE]



Welll, it may put some sense in your noggin if you do bang your head against the wall and anyway you can always organise a protest !!!!!. Only joking before you burst a blood vessel

Originally posted by CaptainSwing
Their argument would carry a bit more weight if the increases hadn't been going on at much the same rate for several years before the recent fuel price hikes; and/or if drivers' wages (like the fares) had also been going up at around 5 or 6 times the rate of inflation.

And it would carry more weight if they actually answered the question I asked them in the first place - about why someone travelling only in Sheffield (or Rotherham or Doncaster) should have to pay the premium of travelling throughout South Yorkshire - instead of being given the same standard response they send to everyone who complains!!

I'm not going to let this lie with them, they're getting another letter back. I'm also going to email the leader of the council about it as well. If anyone else wants to contact her, her email address is jan.wilson@sheffield.gov.uk and ask her exactly what the council is doing about it!

How about this for service - I've just gone to catch the 25 past bus and just as I got there he pulled off, when he would have clearly seen me walking up to it.
So that means I've got to get a lift into work now, which is putting other people out.

Originally posted by steelcitybab
Existing - 190p Switcha / New 200p

So if I buy a switcha for a journey that starts on a First bus and continues on a tram, it'll cost £2, but if the journey starts on a tram and continues on a bus it's only £1.80 (according to the stagecoach web site) - how does that work?

Its called a free market pricing so as not to be accused of price fixing.

I am so mad I want to scream! I have just been to London and found that buses were cheaper there: also, they were cheaper on a recent trip to Manchester- do we have some of the most ridiculously expensive buses in the country?

I travel to Bakewell occasionally and its only £1 extra to travel another 14 miles or so. The services I use are getting increasingly worse/less frequent and I have no choice but to use the bus most of the time. If the government want to encourage people to use more environmentally friendly forms of transport (which I wholeheartedly agree with), then they need to be aware of this situation and do something about it.

No wonder people still opt for cars for short trips into town!

sheffield used to have the lowest bus fares in england .........but now it seems we have the dearest...............i can remember getting on the bus for 2p...........oh those were the days lol.

I was thinking about that the other day. Weekly mainline bus passes were £1.50 and that was only in about 1995.

Things you'll never hear them say in response to being quizzed on the rising prices of public transport:

"Inflation's not been a problem this year, wages have gone up a smidgeon and we're not really planning to upgrade the buses; it's just that the folks at the top of the ivory tower really wanted a big bonus this year and we all love them so much we decided to ask joe public to pay for it."

Originally posted by Netsrik
I am so mad I want to scream! I have just been to London and found that buses were cheaper there: also, they were cheaper on a recent trip to Manchester- do we have some of the most ridiculously expensive buses in the country?

There is an example closer to home. On Abbeydale Road, route 97 is operated by First South Yorkshire and route X18 is operated by First Staffordshire. Both are First buses and both go the same route between Moorfoot and Totley, yet the X18 is cheaper!

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO BUY?.....

A ......

adult mainline weekly saver?

not used the bus service 4 ages so not aware of current prices!

thanks

£10 i think but i am not sure. isn't there a first website u can go on ??

im not sure?

anyone know a website?

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found it

thanks anyway

here (http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/yorkhumber/southyorkshire/fares/firstweek.php)

Its gone up recently (theres a suprise),
an adult weekly saver on first mainline buses costs £13

how late do the buses run for example

the no 75/76

anyone know

Originally posted by moon
how late do the buses run for example

the no 75/76

anyone know


Not sure about that, is it not on the website? Should be a timetables page

thanks

im sorted now

thanks sean matey

I walk everywhere now, as the bus fares are ridicoulous.

£1.30 to go Hunters Bar to town is a rip off compared to other cities (e.g. Manchester is 70p for nearly twice the distance - and the buses are a lot more regular)!

If they want people to travel by public transport and not use cars, they should scale their fares better.

A lot more people would use the bus if it was 70p for a journey of less than 2 miles.

WAIT TILL THE PENSIONERS DONT HAVE TO PAY FROM NEXT YEAR THEN WATCH THE FARES GO UP WITH A HIKE

A Discussion is still taking place on this issue PTE/Local MP's and the Government. As I understand it this only covers local buses with time restrictions.... ( Similar to the Half Fare Pass scheme I think the National hours are 0930 to1530 and after 1800 Mon to Fri with no restrictions at W/E and BH). The government will only fund this option and if local councils want to offer a better deal which are currently available in SY....like includes trams/local trains ,travel to other areas and extended hours this would have to be funded from council tax.
So we could end with a with its free between set National time guidelines and a fixed local price outside these hours.Its a case of watch this space.