Breaking news on Talksport....

We shall see if money talks.

Breaking news on Talksport....

We shall see if money talks.

yeah ive just heard it on Talksport -wow

Talksport reporting fee for KAKA is £100 million Euros

With a wage of 250K per week!! :loopy: Don't they realise there is more chance of him getting injured in Premiership than anywhere else. ( not including Blue Square :hihi: )

Talksport reporting fee for KAKA is £100 million Euros

Which is almost 100 million pounds these days. Making Euro players even more expensive for English clubs - not that City care.

£91m bid for Kaka, Dida and Gattuso?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/14/football-kaka-manchester-city-milan

I know City can afford these prices, but can Sparky manage these players?

The mind boggles. There's just no financial justification for moves like this, only to serve the sporting appetite of someone who doesn't even go to the games.

It can't do the dressing room any favours making moves like this.

They could buy the entire Brazilian squad and they'd still be crap

Isn't Kaka in Brazilian, the same as what Baba is in rough North Sheffield suburban dialogue?

Looks like he has turned it down.

Question - what would happend if he signed for £90m, on £12m a year, and then broke his leg in the first match which left him out for a year.

I know City can afford these prices, but can Sparky manage these players?

Sparky was struggling to manage Blackburn. He has a far stronger squad now, in Man City and Is 6th from bottom. If they had a decent manager and same squad to date they would be in top 6.
I liked him as a player but for me, he is below average as a manager.

Sparky was struggling to manage Blackburn. He has a far stronger squad now, in Man City and Is 6th from bottom. If they had a decent manager and same squad to date they would be in top 6.
I liked him as a player but for me, he is below average as a manager.

I suspect you are right, and it will all end in tears.

Sparky was struggling to manage Blackburn. He has a far stronger squad now, in Man City and Is 6th from bottom. If they had a decent manager and same squad to date they would be in top 6.
I liked him as a player but for me, he is below average as a manager.

The irony is that one of the best managers in the world for a situation like City, is precisely the manager they sacked last season.

You reckon Sven would have been that good?

You reckon Sven would have been that good?

He's a good club manager. Very good.

He's a good club manager. Very good.

He speaks a couple of languages too, which helps when you need to manage such a diverse group of players and deal with agents.

Appears Kaka has been allowed to speak to City.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7830199.stm

This daft transfer is not good for the game at all.

It's going to make a mockery of the sport. Over a hundred years of watching the great game only for some rich sod come along and turn it in to a play thing.

Any player going to ManC now will lose credibility. They will be accused of going for the money alone. It wont be long before ManC are being resented for what they are doing (not to be confused with jealousy). This is not the same as what happened with Chelsea. Chelsea were already big spenders and a quality team. ManC are neither.

The deal on the table gives his agent 20 million euros....and best of all 10 million for Kaka's dad!!

Any player going to ManC now will lose credibility. They will be accused of going for the money alone.

Couldn't you say that about 90% of premiership players?

This daft transfer is not good for the game at all.Personally I find the sums of money talked about rather vulgar and obscene tbh. They just mentioned £600k a week wages, which most people on the terraces will have to work 20+ years for.

Kaka wont sign for City.

Why swap a club with great history like AC Milan (17 Scudetto's, 5 Coppa Italia's, 5 Supercoppa's, 7 European Cups, 5 UEFA Cups, 3 Intercontinental Cups, 1 World Championship) for Manchester City, who haven't won a trophy of note since 1969 and haven't come close to challenging for anything in recent years?

No matter how much money the owners pump in, City wont challenge for honours for at least another 2 or 3 seasons. When Abramovich came to Chelsea, the team were already a top 6 side with a sound infrastructure.

Kaka would be joining one of the biggest comedy sideshows in British football, perhaps second only to Newcastle.

This will be good news for the Church if Kaka signs.

Kaka wont sign for City.

Why swap a club with great history like AC Milan (17 Scudetto's, 5 Coppa Italia's, 5 Supercoppa's, 7 European Cups, 5 UEFA Cups, 3 Intercontinental Cups, 1 World Championship) for Manchester City, who haven't won a trophy of note since 1969 and haven't come close to challenging for anything in recent years?

No matter how much money the owners pump in, City wont challenge for honours for at least another 2 or 3 seasons. When Abramovich came to Chelsea, the team were already a top 6 side with a sound infrastructure.

Kaka would be joining one of the biggest comedy sideshows in British football, perhaps second only to Newcastle.

Q. You say why swap.

A. ££££££££££££ do you need any thing else?

We can talk about it till the cows come home, but this is a world run by money.

The older footie followers said pretty much the same when Trevor Francis moved for a million £s.

If you win top prize on the lotto you don't want to share it with 5 others and get less than a million do you?
Most of us would want at least a one million, hopefully more. Yet older people say 'a few hundred will do me' It is just a matter of perceived wealth and what you as a modern person can do with it.

Man City have a history of being also rans ... in the shadow of Man U, now they see a chance to change all that, buying the best players.
Man U have bought the best players to get their success why not City?

Q. You say why swap.

A. ££££££££££££ do you need any thing else?

Kaka has never struck me as someone easily swayed by money. He's already a multi-millionaire anyway, and at a much more prestigious club where he is happy. AC Milan have a far greater chance of winning trophies too, and I can't see that changing for a few years at least.

Man City have a history of being also rans ... in the shadow of Man U, now they see a chance to change all that, buying the best players.
Man U have bought the best players to get their success why not City?

Man Utd have an incredible infrastructure, global scouting network and a global reputation for success. Man City have none of that. Cash will only buy mercenaries for a club like City.

Man Utd have an incredible infrastructure, global scouting network and a global reputation for success. Man City have none of that. Cash will only buy mercenaries for a club like City.

Manchester City have a fabulous stadium, state of the art training facilities and a youth academy turning out successful home grown footballers for both the Manchester City first team and many championship clubs.

Cash always buys mercenaries for any club. Do you think the good old Stretford lads that are Ferdinand, Berbatov, Tevez, Nani and Ronaldo would be at Streford Rangers for £1,000 a week?

Oh, and speaking of mercenaries, as you were - didn't Wayne Rooney was say he'd never play for any club apart from Everton? Once a blue, always a blue?

Manchester City have a fabulous stadium, state of the art training facilities and a youth academy turning out successful home grown footballers for both the Manchester City first team and many championship clubs.

Old Trafford is bigger (and much more famous), training ground is said to be one of the best in world football, and they have a far more successful youth academy.

Cash always buys mercenaries for any club. Do you think the good old Stretford lads that are Ferdinand, Berbatov, Tevez, Nani and Ronaldo would be at Streford Rangers for £1,000 a week?

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here, are you suggesting those players would turn out for a smaller club instead of Man Utd if they were offered more money?

Oh, and speaking of mercenaries, as you were - didn't Wayne Rooney was say he'd never play for any club apart from Everton? Once a blue, always a blue?

Hmmm, I really don't like standing in Wayne Rooney's corner.... But... Had Rooney stayed at Everton, would he have won a single trophy? Unlikely. Man Utd are a much more prestigious club too, you can't really blame him for wanting to step up a level.

Kaka moving from AC Milan to Man City would be a step backwards.

Old Trafford is bigger (and much more famous), training ground is said to be one of the best in world football, and they have a far more successful youth academy.

You don't judge a ground by how famous it is though, do you? The facilities at Eastlands are superb. I've not been to the ToWD for 20 years, but it was a dump when I did. I'm sure the sandwiches are better now.

I can't be bothered with a full list, but from the top of my head the City Academy has produced:

Stephen Ireland (City, Ireland)
Shaun Wright Philips City -Chelsea - City, England)
Michael Johnson (City, England U21)
Daniel Sturrdige (City, England U21)
Needum Onouha (City, England U21)
Micah Richards (City, England)
Joey Barton (City, Newcastle, England)
Bradley Wright Philps (City, Southampton, England U20)
Kasper Schmeichel (City, Denmark U21 - Peter recommended City to his son over Utd)
Dickson Etuhu (City, Preston, Norwich, Sunderland, Fulham, Nigeria)
Tyrone Mears (Marseille)
Chris Killen (Celtic, New Zealand)
Chris Shuker (Tranmere)
Stephen Jordan (Burnley)
Willo Flood (Dundee Utd)
Glenn Whelan (Stoke)
Stephen Elliott (Preston)
Lee Croft (Norwich)

and others - pretty much every graduate plays for a league club.


Are you seriously comparing Stretford Rangers to Manchester United? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here, are you suggesting those players would turn out for Stretford instead of Man Utd if they were offered more money?

No, I call manchester united Stretford Rangers for they are from Stretford, not Manchester - and they certainly don't represent a united city.

I am suggesting that the players at United are there partly if not wholly for the money, so to accuse other clubs of only attracting mercenaries with reference to a club who has historically spent more on players and wages than any other is, perhaps, a little hypocritical.

Hmmm, I really don't like standing in Wayne Rooney's corner.... But... Had Rooney stayed at Everton, would he have won a single trophy? Unlikely. Man Utd are a much more prestigious club too, you can't really blame him for wanting to step up a level.

Not at all - but as he was a dyed in the wool bluenose you can bet your life he wouldn't have left for the same or less money than he was on at Everton - especially as he was young and niave enough when he moved to think he could win things with Everton. So - he too is a mercenary.

Kaka moving from AC Milan to Man City would be a step backwards.

It would be now. I'm not sure you'll be saying that in 3 or 4 years. As a City fan one has to accept that sadly the club is the plaything of a rich man. At least though he isn't a human rights abuser like the last one, and it's his own money unlike the guys at OT and Anfield. When he inevitably clears off the fans will pick up the pieces, but in the meantime we're just enjoying it.

Kaka has never struck me as someone easily swayed by money. He's already a multi-millionaire anyway, and at a much more prestigious club where he is happy. AC Milan have a far greater chance of winning trophies too, and I can't see that changing for a few years at least.



Man Utd have an incredible infrastructure, global scouting network and a global reputation for success. Man City have none of that. Cash will only buy mercenaries for a club like City.

Kaka not swayed by money! You talk thru your hat.
He is a millionaire, nothing wrong with that but don't say he is not moved by money or he could have given most of it to the poor.

Man U have mostly 'mercenaries' as you describe players drawn by cash.
They are the original mercenary sweepers. They developed an unusually big and widespread fan base due to people supporting them after the Munich disaster; this allowed them to buy the best players and make ground improvements (a bigger ground) more paying customers.
Now that City have the same chance, instead of Manchester folk being grateful for the jobs and investments it will create; it seems that certain mancs are seeing red and worring about their neighbours imminent success.

Some people say 'you can't buy success' well the most successful clubs have all bought the best most expensive players that's how you get successful.
Good luck to City, except when they play Everton.

Man U have mostly 'mercenaries' as you describe players drawn by cash.
They are the original mercenary sweepers. They developed an unusually big and widespread fan base due to people supporting them after the Munich disaster


Twaddle :rolleyes:



Some people say 'you can't buy success' well the most successful clubs have all bought the best most expensive players that's how you get successful.
Good luck to City, except when they play Everton.

Arsenal don't spend as much as most in the premiership yet they are consistently a top 4 team year on year.

Twaddle :rolleyes:

I don't suppose you'd care to try an offer some evidence for your assertion that the idea that Manchester United attract players with money is 'twaddle'?

Ryan Giggs.
David Beckham.
Paul Scholes.
Gary Neville.
Philip Neville.

There ya go. 5 players off the top of my head that didn't play for ManU for the money. In fact i read the other day that Giggs' career earnings total in the region of 23 million. That's not a lot in the modern game for someone who is/was possibly the best left sided player on the planet.

So saying players go to ManU for the money really is twaddle. They go because they pay the going rate for the best players in the world and because ManU are possibly the best team in the world.

Ryan Giggs.
David Beckham.
Paul Scholes.
Gary Neville.
Philip Neville.

There ya go. 5 players off the top of my head that didn't play for ManU for the money. In fact i read the other day that Giggs' career earnings total in the region of 23 million. That's not a lot in the modern game for someone who is/was possibly the best left sided player on the planet.

Would that be the same Ryan Giggs that was originally at the Manchester City academy but was poached by United when they offered more money when he was 16?

Isn't Kaka in Brazilian, the same as what Baba is in rough North Sheffield suburban dialogue?

Kaka means the same in Russian also.About right I think for what they are trying to do.

Ryan Giggs.
David Beckham.
Paul Scholes.
Gary Neville.
Philip Neville.

There ya go. 5 players off the top of my head that didn't play for ManU for the money. In fact i read the other day that Giggs' career earnings total in the region of 23 million. That's not a lot in the modern game for someone who is/was possibly the best left sided player on the planet.

So saying players go to ManU for the money really is twaddle. They go because they pay the going rate for the best players in the world and because ManU are possibly the best team in the world.

Are all Manc U supporters so delusional?
Beckham followed the advice of his dad the others are manc boys this is your proof?
Stick to sticking the stickers on tins of beans.

I could, if I was that interested name the rest of the Man u players who don't play for the money, but I can't think of any.
Rooney of course did not go from Everton for the cash he wanted to win honours.
Now don't get me wrong I used to love watching MU when Eric played, he is the best footballer I have ever seen; bearing in mind I saw Pele, Cruyff and
Eusabio and watched Destafano on TV.
The best footballers play in the teams that can afford the best, now Man City can afford the best good luck to them, PROVISO
except when they play Everton.

When Abramovich came to Chelsea, the team were already a top 6 side with a sound infrastructure.

Top 4 club, they had just qualified for the champions league when Abramovich purchased them.

i dont see a problem with this deal . if city want to spend that amount on one player ,why shouldnt they ?

Are all Manc U supporters so delusional?
Beckham followed the advice of his dad the others are manc boys this is your proof?

I am not and never will be a ManU fan thank you. As for the players, they stook with the best option available to them which is ManU.


I could, if I was that interested name the rest of the Man u players who don't play for the money, but I can't think of any.

Shows your ignorance.


Rooney of course did not go from Everton for the cash he wanted to win honours.
He went to play for the best league team on the planet.


The best footballers play in the teams that can afford the best, now Man City can afford the best good luck to them, PROVISO

Buying the best players on the planet means nothing if they dont play for each other. I cant wait to see how Hughes manages some of the biggest egos on the planet.

Just heard on sky sports ka ka in tears because he can't make up his mind,by heck my heart feels for the fella,whether to stop in Miland on k100+ a week or got Manchester for more.

Would that be the same Ryan Giggs that was originally at the Manchester City academy but was poached by United when they offered more money when he was 16?

No, that would be the Ryan Giggs who signed for Man U on his 14th birthday because they were the first to offer him schoolboy forms and guarentee him to turn pro within three years.

I am not and never will be a ManU fan thank you. As for the players, they stook with the best option available to them which is ManU.



Shows your ignorance.

He went to play for the best league team on the planet.


Buying the best players on the planet means nothing if they dont play for each other. I cant wait to see how Hughes manages some of the biggest egos on the planet.


You are making some of the same points I made earlier, then you call me ignorant. Strange man /woman.

'they stook' Shows your ignorance

Kaka not swayed by money! You talk thru your hat.
He is a millionaire, nothing wrong with that but don't say he is not moved by money or he could have given most of it to the poor.

As I understand it, Kaka regularly donates to charities in Brazil and has donated the medals and individual trophies he has won to his local church.

Man U have mostly 'mercenaries' as you describe players drawn by cash.

Picture the scenario. You are a professional footballer at a mid table Premier League side. Manchester City bid for your services, offering £100,000 per week to join a struggling team in transition with no hope of challenging for a trophy in the current season, who's manager has an uncertain future, and a squad of players wondering when they will be sold.

Then Manchester Utd make a bid, offering half the wages of City, but have a history of winning trophies, an incredible squad challenging on all fronts and likely to do so for the foreseeable future, and the opportunity to work under one of the most successful managers in the history of football.

Not much of a choice is it?

Now that City have the same chance, instead of Manchester folk being grateful for the jobs and investments it will create; it seems that certain mancs are seeing red and worring about their neighbours imminent success.

Man City may not have "imminent success". They've spent more than most teams in the Premiership this season and find themselves in 11th. Spending big is no guarantee of anything, just look at Inter Milan and Real Madrid (particularly the 'Galactico' era), Man Utd and Chelsea at certain phases too.

Some people say 'you can't buy success' well the most successful clubs have all bought the best most expensive players that's how you get successful.
Good luck to City, except when they play Everton.

Money. Does. Not. Buy. Success. This point was argued laboriously with Angelus when Abramovich came to Chelsea. Money can buy players, but it cannot build a team, fit individuals into a system or inspire a player at half time. You need a good manager for that.

As I understand it, Kaka regularly donates to charities in Brazil and has donated the medals and individual trophies he has won to his local church.



Picture the scenario. You are a professional footballer at a mid table Premier League side. Manchester City bid for your services, offering £100,000 per week to join a struggling team in transition with no hope of challenging for a trophy in the current season, who's manager has an uncertain future, and a squad of players wondering when they will be sold.

Then Manchester Utd make a bid, offering half the wages of City, but have a history of winning trophies, an incredible squad challenging on all fronts and likely to do so for the foreseeable future, and the opportunity to work under one of the most successful managers in the history of football.

Not much of a choice is it?



Man City may not have "imminent success". They've spent more than most teams in the Premiership this season and find themselves in 11th. Spending big is no guarantee of anything, just look at Inter Milan and Real Madrid (particularly the 'Galactico' era), Man Utd and Chelsea at certain phases too.



Money. Does. Not. Buy. Success. This point was argued laboriously with Angelus when Abramovich came to Chelsea. Money can buy players, but it cannot build a team, fit individuals into a system or inspire a player at half time. You need a good manager for that.

And to get a good manager you need to pay well.

Why is it that some people are begrudging the fact that City now have a good backer who has deeper pockets than Man U?
Come back with this debate after City have spent up, check their relative success after the seasons end.

And to get a good manager you need to pay well.

Why is it that some people are begrudging the fact that City now have a good backer who has deeper pockets than Man U?
Come back with this debate after City have spent up, check their relative success after the seasons end.

I'm not begrudging City anything, if their owner is willing to spend vast sums on the team then good luck to them. I wouldn't mind some fantasy football at Bramall Lane...

What I'm arguing though, is that spending big is no guarantee of anything.

And surely, if City finished inside the top 10 and qualified for Europe last season, considering the money that has been spent since, anything other than a repeat should be considered a failure...at least in the boards' eyes.

It's reported that Kaka has turned Man City down. It never got past preliminary discussions and Kaka never spoke to City at any time. I'm not surprised, strangely I think that this is good for Man City. I think Gattuso and or Pirlo would have served Man City better.

Man City need to secure their Champions league reputation before they bid for the best players in the world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7838966.stm

News breaking at the moment saying that, after hearing about City pulling out of the Kaka deal, Robinho has done a bunk from their tenerife training camp. They've made frantic calls to try and locate him but, as yet, they can't. Rumoured to have flown back to Brazil.

And the whole city revolution unravels in a matter of hours...

News breaking at the moment saying that, after hearing about City pulling out of the Kaka deal, Robinho has done a bunk from their tenerife training camp. They've made frantic calls to try and locate him but, as yet, they can't. Rumoured to have flown back to Brazil.

And the whole city revolution unravels in a matter of hours...

Got a link to that?


Hats off to kaka. Finally football sense comes through and slams the door on rich tosspots trying to buy success. I know he's on a silly amount of money anyway but he would have made a lot more at city.

Got a link to that?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7839371.stm

The rumour is that Robinho was promised that there would be a lot of world class signings, maybe he was expecting a higher calibre of player than Bellamy; who has really only had maybe one good season in the Premier league.

"It would be suicidal for my career at the age of 21 to move to City," - Cesc Fábregas.

"It would make no sense." - Kaka

Manchester City stunned after Kaka move collapses: Robinho reported to have walked out of training - The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/20/kaka-manchester-city-milan-transfer)

"Big players want to win big trophies, City are not in the race" - The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/20/manchester-city-kaka-milan-transfer)

Kaka has more brains than to leave AC Milan for Man City. You could understand him being tempted if, say Barcelona or Man Utd came in, but not City, no matter how much they offer.

Fernando Torres discussed the Kaka bid at the weekend:

"Manchester City must first play Uefa Cup or Champions League football because I cannot see how any big player would want to play for them until then. Big players want to win trophies and Manchester City is not even in the race for trophies in England, let alone Europe. They are fighting to stay in the Premier League, or to get to the middle of the table.

"For now, I cannot imagine Kaka playing for Manchester City. It would be a fantastic contract, yes, but there are other things more important than money. A player wants to be remembered for what he has won, for the medals, for what he has given his club. Imagine 10 years after you stop playing, you go back, you look around, you are not in any picture, you have no medals, no trophies; it is like you played for nothing. You may have a fantastic car, a fantastic home, but what does it matter?"

That about sums it up perfectly.

You don't judge a ground by how famous it is though, do you? The facilities at Eastlands are superb. I've not been to the ToWD for 20 years, but it was a dump when I did. I'm sure the sandwiches are better now.

I can't be bothered with a full list, but from the top of my head the City Academy has produced:

Stephen Ireland (City, Ireland)
Shaun Wright Philips City -Chelsea - City, England)
Michael Johnson (City, England U21)
Daniel Sturrdige (City, England U21)
Needum Onouha (City, England U21)
Micah Richards (City, England)
Joey Barton (City, Newcastle, England)
Bradley Wright Philps (City, Southampton, England U20)
Kasper Schmeichel (City, Denmark U21 - Peter recommended City to his son over Utd)
Dickson Etuhu (City, Preston, Norwich, Sunderland, Fulham, Nigeria)
Tyrone Mears (Marseille)
Chris Killen (Celtic, New Zealand)
Chris Shuker (Tranmere)
Stephen Jordan (Burnley)
Willo Flood (Dundee Utd)
Glenn Whelan (Stoke)
Stephen Elliott (Preston)
Lee Croft (Norwich)

and others - pretty much every graduate plays for a league club.




No, I call manchester united Stretford Rangers for they are from Stretford, not Manchester - and they certainly don't represent a united city.

I am suggesting that the players at United are there partly if not wholly for the money, so to accuse other clubs of only attracting mercenaries with reference to a club who has historically spent more on players and wages than any other is, perhaps, a little hypocritical.



Not at all - but as he was a dyed in the wool bluenose you can bet your life he wouldn't have left for the same or less money than he was on at Everton - especially as he was young and niave enough when he moved to think he could win things with Everton. So - he too is a mercenary.



It would be now. I'm not sure you'll be saying that in 3 or 4 years. As a City fan one has to accept that sadly the club is the plaything of a rich man. At least though he isn't a human rights abuser like the last one, and it's his own money unlike the guys at OT and Anfield. When he inevitably clears off the fans will pick up the pieces, but in the meantime we're just enjoying it.

They play in Trafford. Who gives a toss about that?

P.S Lets all laugh at City. Again.

So 'it' collapsed?

I'm not surprised and I bet the sugar daddies at Man City aren't either. They'll be patting themselves on the back reflecting over the publicity this non-starter has generated worldwide.

Sadly, it could backfire big time and if Robinho's alleged walking out is anything to go by, it looks like the **** has already begun to hit the fan.

Good.

So 'it' collapsed?

I'm not surprised and I bet the sugar daddies at Man City aren't either. They'll be patting themselves on the back reflecting over the publicity this non-starter has generated worldwide.

Sadly, it could backfire big time and if Robinho's alleged walking out is anything to go by, it looks like the **** has already begun to hit the fan.

Good.

Agreed - I suspect there never was any chance of Kaka signing without the carrot of Champions League football and only a relegation scrap to look forward to. The whole purpose of the whole publicity stunt was to convince the world of football they seriously could afford any player they wanted, as well as promoting the Man City "brand" worldwide.

Perhaps now they've got Bellamy they should also sign other footballing thugs like Joey Barton and Steven Gerrard. The football would be dull to watch but the fighting would be entertaining!

Perhaps now they've got Bellamy they should also sign other footballing thugs like Joey Barton and Steven Gerrard. The football would be dull to watch but the fighting would be entertaining!

We got £5 million for Barton, somehow. We don't want him back!

That said, if Bellamy is worth £14 million perhaps we should have got more for him?

It seems that I was wrong about money tempting Kaka, but even though there are those who are bit sniffy about City's aspirations; this free publicity of their ambitions will not have gone unnoticed.