I really hope people won't hijack this and turn it into a massive racist thread as that is NOT what this is about. [/end rant}

Today, and not for the first time, I was approached by a man whilst sat in the Peace Gardens with my kids. Now I'm not too hot on individuals nationalities but he was dark haired and olive skinned. (Maybe Turkish, Arabian, Iranian etc) These males seems to hang around in groups, usually around the Peace Gardens or on Fargate. They're smartly dressed and polite but extremely annoying.

The first guy kept smiling at me. I avoided his gaze and kept an eye on the kids. Eventually, he came over and asked how I was and could he have my phone number. I said a polite no and he left. He continued to look over at me, as did his group of friends.

About 10 minutes later, one of his friends re-appeared with a box of ice lollies and shouted my son over to him. He tried to give him a lolly to which I said No. He then came over and gav ethe lollie sto my son so we stood up to leave and left them on the wall. We left the Peace Gardens and set off walking to the Moor. The man with the lollies then followed us, walking right next to us. I ignored him but he came up and asked my son what his name was. I told him to ignore him and keep walking. He then asked if I had a name and could he have my number. Again I said a polite no and carried on walking. Eventually he gave up and left us alone.

Now I am big enough and ugly enough to look after myself but what really bothers me is how they constantly try it on with young girls. My own daughter who is 15 has been approached numerous times, even when she is with me and sometimes by men who are clearly in their 30's or older.

A lot of these men are very smartly dressed, very polite and reasonably good looking. Young girl love the attention they get and seem to me to be easy targets for them. I really do worry as it seems to be happening all the time. I saw individual from the group who were chatting me up approach numerous young teenage girls whilst I was sat there. They don't seem to care how young they are.

Has anyone else noticed this happening or been hassled themselves?

:shocked:

Why does that conjure up pictures of prostitution rings?

Scary

Did you report this to the police?

That is terrible! Especially as they were trying to coax your kids!

I've been apprached by a few of these men, not so much in Sheffield but definately since I was about 14 in Manchester. I just ignore them and duck into the nearest shop, or try and lose them in a crowd of people. Its intimidating when on my own though I must admit.

Sends a shiver down my spine thinking about the younger girls they approach...

Oh my god thats frightening!! Maybe you could at least inform the police on 2202020. I know its hardly a crime but maybe they could perhaps check CCTV or something :confused: It seems very odd behaviour :mad:

Someone like that approached my eldest daughter afew mths ago, i was meeting her out side dixons on fargate, she told me this man was bugging her etc, when we were walking to wards the city hall he came over to her again and i did what everyother father would do, i grabed him by his neck and nealy pushed him through a shop window and told him to f*** off or im gonna f****** k** you, plus a few other other words. creaps.

Originally posted by madowl
i grabed him by his neck and nealy pushed him through a shop window and told him to f*** off or im gonna f****** k** you, plus a few other other words. creaps.

only way to deal with them :(

Just out of interest, could the police actually do anything about these men?? Or will they just say they're powerless, and then do people like madowl for protecting their families when the law can't?

Again, whatever nationality they are, whenever there are creepy men about the only way to cope with them is to shout "MACKEREL, MAKEREL" at them whilst flapping your arms and jumping round in circles.

That will put them off.

Unfortunately this kind of thing is getting more and more common in Sheffield. It's mainly the refugee's and illegal immigrants who have absolutely no tact whatsoever and will try it on with anything that has a pulse.

They do hang around Fargate and the Peace Gardens and annoy the f**king hell out of people - especially young girls.

I don't know what it is with these overgrown idiots, they think that tacky stuff like giving a lolly to a mum will make her want to give out her number or have sex with them or something.

They all seem to be at it - you can usually notice them, they have 1980's clothes fashion and haircuts like real slimeballs.

Cripes! Haven't encountered anything like this, but as a young lady (well....the lady part is questionable) who is often walking through there I'll have to keep my eyes peeled.

I would recommend, on future problems, you talk to one of the Peace Gardens security guys, I know one of them and one is a forum member! The 'City Centre Ambassadors' in the official looking fleeces :D

Originally posted by Lestat
Unfortunately this kind of thing is getting more and more common in Sheffield. It's mainly the refugee's and illegal immigrants who have absolutely no tact whatsoever and will try it on with anything that has a pulse.

They do hang around Fargate and the Peace Gardens and annoy the f**king hell out of people - especially young girls.

I don't know what it is with these overgrown idiots, they think that tacky stuff like giving a lolly to a mum will make her want to give out her number or have sex with them or something.

They all seem to be at it - you can usually notice them, they have 1980's clothes fashion and haircuts like real slimeballs.

As long as there's no alterior motive in terms of prejudice here (and I'm not implying that there is, but it's nice that the racist brigade have died down for the moment and I sincerely hope all that BNP stuff doesn't start up again), I'm willing to agree with some of that. It's not that they're specifically refugees or illegal immigrants* (once again I shall go for the 'how the hell can you tell?!' stance) but if someone has recently come to the country is likely to have less tact or knowledge of British customs/ways that we treat women. The courtesy that we take for granted may be something they have no concept of.


*Two completely different things by the way, not to be confused!

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Cripes! Haven't encountered anything like this, but as a young lady (well....the lady part is questionable) who is often walking through there I'll have to keep my eyes peeled.

I would recommend, on future problems, you talk to one of the Peace Gardens security guys, I know one of them and one is a forum member! The 'City Centre Ambassadors' in the official looking fleeces :D

ive spoken to one of them and he told me as long as they where not doing anything illegal nothing could be done

he also told me the police keep an eye on them from time to time but even they cant really do much as they may be accused of been racist

I still suspect that in FF's case there may be some weight in the fact that they (almost successfully) lured/bribed her child :mad:

Originally posted by panda79
ive spoken to one of them and he told me as long as they where not doing anything illegal nothing could be done

he also told me the police keep an eye on them from time to time but even they cant really do much as they may be accused of been racist

Hmm. The problem here is that the police have been accused of racism so much in the past (e.g. arresting blacks over whites, and so upping the black:white crime ratio) that they now seem to be swinging as far the other way as possible, e.g. consciously hiring more black/ethnic minority officers, and positively discriminating against those of ethnic minorities. Of course if they are actually causing a problem then this is ridiculous practice!

If the world just saw without colour then life would be a damn site easier. As long as they know that they are not being racist, the police should arrest/talk to anyone they think is troublesome, regardless of colour.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
As long as there's no alterior motive in terms of prejudice here (and I'm not implying that there is, but it's nice that the racist brigade have died down for the moment and I sincerely hope all that BNP stuff doesn't start up again), I'm willing to agree with some of that. It's not that they're specifically refugees or illegal immigrants* (once again I shall go for the 'how the hell can you tell?!' stance) but if someone has recently come to the country is likely to have less tact or knowledge of British customs/ways that we treat women. The courtesy that we take for granted may be something they have no concept of.


*Two completely different things by the way, not to be confused!

I agree with you noseyrosie.

Although to be honest there isn't really anything illegal about approaching people and asking them for their phone number, even to do that to a child is not illegal. The police aren't powerless on account of being accused of racism, more on account of a crime not actually having been commited!

Is there not something illegal about intimidation though? I have absolutely no idea about the law but would have thought that there'd be something, particularly if it's an ongoing problem and these men are continually approaching young girls?

Easy to take the moral high ground when you're not affected :rolleyes:

Incidents like this should be reported - so the police can act on a problem situation having correlated a number of complaints. If we take the attitude that nothing can be done, nothing will be done, because nobody will know about it.

If the police decide it's worth increasing thier presence, the creeps in question will get a better idea of what is/isn't acceptable (maybe with a few warnings thrown in ;) )

Originally posted by sheff_minx
Is there not something illegal about intimidation though? I have absolutely no idea about the law but would have thought that there'd be something, particularly if it's an ongoing problem and these men are continually approaching young girls?

Perhaps but I think the girls themselves would have to report it? I dont know. Personally Id rather the security people at the peace gardens just kept an eye on them and the police and courts spent their time chasing and punishing people who have actually raped someone.

Its not the moral high ground strix! I have personally been affected so there *sticks tongue out* :)

Originally posted by kathythebean
I agree with you noseyrosie.

Although to be honest there isn't really anything illegal about approaching people and asking them for their phone number, even to do that to a child is not illegal. The police aren't powerless on account of being accused of racism, more on account of a crime not actually having been commited!

And also, to be fair, and this is make certain assumptions on my part so bear with me for arguments sake, if they actually are recent immigrants, specifically political refugees, they may very well be escaping a repressive regime, many of which are based on religious dogma and extremism etc, and a lot of that includes repression of women in terms of dress, leaving the house, being on their own in public etc, right?

So on coming to Britain, where women are out on their own, wear skimpy clothes, are overtly sexual etc, they will be completely out of their depth and take certain liberties which we would not usually tolerate.

This happens with taxi drivers too - its happened to me a couple of times and also to friends. The driver constantly asks if you have children, and when you say no, he goes on and on about how great they are, and that every woman hould have lots. And then constantly asks for your number. I politely decline, and stare out of the window.
Last time it happened & i said no loudly, he then asked if i had any single friends & tried to give me his number to pass onto them! How creepy!

It makes you feel uncomfortable, as you are trapped for the journey - if you get out, then you have wasted payment etc. Obviously i would get out if the driver tried to do anything.

Originally posted by kathythebean
Personally Id rather the security people at the peace gardens just kept an eye on them and the police and courts spent their time chasing and punishing people who have actually raped someone.

I'd rather it didn't come to that :mad:

Its such a shame as the peace gardens is a lovely place to sit and eat lunch etc. I love the city centre and am there on a regular basis though I walk like I'm on a mission the majority of time simply so I don't get stopped by various clipboards etc. and even the Big Issue sellers have become quite rude but thats another story.... :mad:

Its a scary thought that these guys are lurking about bothering people in such a way. For harrassment surely they can be approached by the police? Security? With the summer holidays coming up hopefully there will be plenty of security about.

A lot of times it DOES come to that strix but when it does the authorities are useless! Over 95% of reported rapes don't even end up in court. So whats the point stressing about some men in the peace gardens if real rapists are getting away with it all over the place!

My point is not to defend these slimy nasty men but to say that the law is generally ineffectual when it comes to protecting women.

It's ineffectual at doing anything about anybody who isn't a law abiding citizen :(

I still believe in 'logging' complaints though - there is often something you may find irrelevant that fills a piece of jigsaw in for somebody else :thumbsup:

That's how the programme 'Crimewatch' works

Yes thats a good point.

Phew strix i thought we were going to get into one of our barnies then :)

well all I can say is if you come across anymore and this is when I am in the peace gardens how will you know it is me well iron maiden top on or tee shirt long black hair carrying a gadget bag just say hello bigkev and if they try and bother you again a good threat will keep them away or back off before you get hurt 1 or 10 of them it doesnt matter to me what they dont do is bother ladies like yourself who is out enjoying the day.

the problem is my first thought was sex trafficking. I think in todays society that is the first thouht I had. They may just be lonely men but the fact they seem to be targetting mid-teens would lead me to believe that the sex trafficking theory may be a distinct possibility.

I'm not sure - again Im not defending these men, I'm just saying that if I were to try and set up a sex trafficking ring in sheffield I wouldn't do it in the most public place I could find?!

Originally posted by kathythebean
Yes thats a good point.

Phew strix i thought we were going to get into one of our barnies then :)
Yeah, me too! :(

Originally posted by kathythebean
I'm not sure - again Im not defending these men, I'm just saying that if I were to try and set up a sex trafficking ring in sheffield I wouldn't do it in the most public place I could find?!
Where do you plan to find the teenage girls for your sex ring then? :suspect:
Hypothetically of course - but the question still stands

the police cannot touch them so it looks a lot less dodgy being in the public eye then trying other was of attracting young girls.

All they need to do is go to Corp on a Friday anyway :D

Originally posted by noseyrosie
So on coming to Britain, where women are out on their own, wear skimpy clothes, are overtly sexual etc, they will be completely out of their depth and take certain liberties which we would not usually tolerate.
Can we all stop skirting round the subject in the hope of not offending people?

In their cultures, women who choose to show so much flesh and appear in public are common whores. That's why they think they can treat western women this way.

Until the PC brigade naff off and let us 'educate' these people before they are 'integrated into society' we dont have a hope in hell :mad:

PS - 'integrated' does not mean 'slung out and left to fed for yourself' like the government seem to think it does :rant:

Oh, I dont know....

Probably Moldova: http://www.unicef.org.uk/press/other_stories/sextraffic.asp

Anyone know where that is? Or about the huge problems they have with young girls being exported to the UK for sex?

Originally posted by robbie
the police cannot touch them so it looks a lot less dodgy being in the public eye then trying other was of attracting young girls.

All they need to do is go to Corp on a Friday anyway :D

Tell me about it! (Was there last night)

It's nice to finally be legally old enough to go there and can no successfully look scornfully on all the people I know to be underage.....e.g. the 3 people I went there with :rolleyes:

Originally posted by robbie
All they need to do is go to Corp on a Friday anyway :D
:confused: I thought you had to be underage to get in there? :confused:

:hihi:

Originally posted by robbie
the problem is my first thought was sex trafficking. I think in todays society that is the first thouht I had. They may just be lonely men but the fact they seem to be targetting mid-teens would lead me to believe that the sex trafficking theory may be a distinct possibility.

What? Sex trafficking? Isn't it normally people from THIS country, or people from abroad working with people in this country, that exploit and trap female immigrants and refuges into the sex trade?

I'm not sure of any cases where an immigrants or refugees have come over here, hung around a city centre, lured a random UK citizen into their grasp and then propelled her into an organised sex ring?!

Surely you've got it back to front?..or I may be wrong...

My guess is they just have differant behavioural ways, and act in a way that is unacceptable here towards woman, but its probably because either a) it's their norm, or b) it's the way they behave as they've never been around woman so freely.

Im not saying its right...but I think these are probably reasons closer to the mark.

These are my feelings too boyface.

The problem men in the peace gardens are under our noses so we can bitch and whine about them. But what are we doing to stop the english men, our own race, having as much sex as they like with underage moldovan girls?

Originally posted by kathythebean
Moldova: http://www.unicef.org.uk/press/other_stories/sextraffic.asp

Anyone know where that is? Or about the huge problems they have with young girls being exported to the UK for sex?

That's what we encourage by our liberal 'civil liberties' attitudes in this country. How come the 'civil liberties' brigade are blind to the problems that could be limited by some relatively unobtrusive control?

If you're not making bombs in your bedroom, what is the problem? :confused:

Originally posted by Strix
:confused: I thought you had to be underage to get in there? :confused:

:hihi:

Yes its the only place they make you show ID that you're under 18 :hihi:

Originally posted by Strix
Can we all stop skirting round the subject in the hope of not offending people?

In their cultures, women who choose to show so much flesh and appear in public are common whores. That's why they think they can treat western women this way.

Until the PC brigade naff off and let us 'educate' these people before they are 'integrated into society' we dont have a hope in hell :mad:

PS - 'integrated' does not mean 'slung out and left to fed for yourself' like the government seem to think it does :rant:


Well said.

I'm not racist in any way but people expect their culture to be respected when visiting their country, so why can they not respect women in the same way that the majority of me in th UK do?? In many North African muslim countries (and possibly others, but this is a particular culture I am aware of) women of any race, including tourists, are stoned on the street if they "disrespect" them by showing their legs, cleavage etc.

Hmmmm... not convinced that equality works for TWO parties in some people's opinion!

thats unbelievable! i would of kicked the fu** out of them!!

i am asian too but them refugees give us a bad name cos of all the things they do!!

i'd go there again hpoing they are there again and pull out a kitchen knife and then ask them ' do you still want my number!!'

i'm afraid thats the only language they understand!

Originally posted by kathythebean
These are my feelings too boyface.

The problem men in the peace gardens are under our noses so we can bitch and whine about them. But what are we doing to stop the english men, our own race, having as much sex as they like with underage moldovan girls?

Well actually on this point I'd just like to say that as a teenage girl, British men are horrible and disrespectful to us as well.

Obviously not to the same extent, but being wolf-whistled at, having car horns honked at you, people shouting stuff like 'get yer tits out for the lads' or whatever, being jsut plain stared at in the street....some men seem to think that women are just there to be oggled. And they haven't got the cultural excuse that would make me give one of these other men the benefit of the doubt.

Originally posted by star
thats unbelievable! i would of kicked the fu** out of them!!

i am asian too but them refugees give us a bad name cos of all the things they do!!

i'd go there again hpoing they are there again and pull out a kitchen knife and then ask them ' do you still want my number!!'

i'm afraid thats the only language they understand!
:shocked: Is that another example of 'cultural difference'? :shocked:

Yeah - I think that to try and integrate foriegn men into a culture of respect for teenage girls that doesn't actually exist would be a little bit futile.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Well actually on this point I'd just like to say that as a teenage girl, British men are horrible and disrespectful to us as well.
Yeah. I think they should be shot too :D

Although.... Some women are far too ssensetive about where the line should be drawn :suspect:

Originally posted by kathythebean
Yeah - I think that to try and integrate foriegn men into a culture of respect for teenage girls that doesn't actually exist would be a little bit futile.


Although I have never personally come across a british guy be so openly and consistently intimidating as these men from the Peace Gardens, maybe this new "Culture of Respect" that Blair is shoving down our throats should include a compulsary crash course on how to be a gent?

I just want to make a quick point in case anyone misunderstood/misinterpreted or I didn't explain it correctly.

I don't believe the guy was offering my son a lolly to entice him away from me as I was sat with him. I think his motive was to try and win me round by being nice to my kids. Still, it was very creepy all the same.

I agree that British men can be a pain in the backside too but in my experience they are no way as forward or persistent as these men.

Oh and by the way, just incase anyone was wondering, we call them 'Cheesy Men' as their chat up lines are very cheesy as is the general letcherous way they behave!

I had a greasy cheesy man follow me all the way from Mc Donalds and HMV on Fargate; through the continental market all the way to the Peace gardens. He was asking me to go with him, but after politely declining he wouldn't leave me alone so I told him to p*ss off and had to dive into Karen Millen for hideout...luckily he didn't follow me, but he was saying all the way "I want you to come with me or i'm coming with you". Eeugh!

Just shows how common this is; looking at this thread!

once when i was in glasgow i had a black man talk to me on the bus and asked me to be his girlfriend and he would pay me!!! i was only 15 at the time and absolutly sh*t myself! its the way he was talking to me that scared me. noone was near and i dint know what to do. i have had various propositions in sheffield but am older now and just tell them to f**k off!!!!

Maybe someone should look into whether an ASBO or ABC could be used against these people

http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/asbos9.htm?fp

:confused:

Originally posted by sheff_minx
why can they not respect women in the same way that the majority of me in th UK do
You've never been a builder have you.

I’ve worked on sites before were men would actually have scheduled breaks to go onto the roof and check out the local talent. Their comments sounded more like sexual harassment to me.

Often wondered how these men would feel if a swarthy immigrant ever made such comments to theri daughter/partner.

A friend of mine was once approached by a man on Nottingham square who asked her to either crap in a bag for him or lick a dead fish in front of him. When these cheesy men ask women to do either of these we should be worried.

I think the best thing would be to shout, as loud as you can "Go away and leave me alone, you pervert".

Then at least passers by will know somthing is wrong. And if they have any shame at all, they will go and leave you alone.

I was talking to one of the people who work in Tony and Guy's and they said this has been a problem for a long time. Summer is obviously the worse time of year for it as lots of people are in the peace gardens.

There was mention of the police becoming involved a while ago as some of these guys where actively trying to recruit young girls for prostitution. You don’t know how much truth is in it though.

All in all, this is a culture clash, but that doesn't take away how scary and frightening these people can be to young girls!

Surely a complaint is a complaint no matter who it is aimed at! A policeman/woman should be able to at least make their presence known to these guys and if necessary go and speak to them?

Originally posted by noseyrosie
And also, to be fair, and this is make certain assumptions on my part so bear with me for arguments sake, if they actually are recent immigrants, specifically political refugees, they may very well be escaping a repressive regime, many of which are based on religious dogma and extremism etc, and a lot of that includes repression of women in terms of dress, leaving the house, being on their own in public etc, right?

So on coming to Britain, where women are out on their own, wear skimpy clothes, are overtly sexual etc, they will be completely out of their depth and take certain liberties which we would not usually tolerate.

Such a shame and disgrace that these men who are obviously immigrants to this country trample all over the good tolerance of British people by molesting their children and young women ....

Originally posted by Patrick2000
Such a shame and disgrace that these men who are obviously immigrants to this country trample all over the good tolerance of British people by molesting their children and young women ....

Excuse me?!

This is not what I was implying at all. In fact I think I made it perfectly clear that this was not an immigrant dig. I don't see how them being 'clearly immigrants' makes any difference. And I don't think anyone's mentioned any molesting yet.

Originally posted by Patrick2000
Such a shame and disgrace that these men who are obviously immigrants to this country trample all over the good tolerance of British people by molesting their children and young women ....

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here. No-one was molested.

Originally posted by Patrick2000
Such a shame and disgrace that these men who are obviously immigrants to this country trample all over the good tolerance of British people by molesting their children and young women ....

Wow. That's one hell of an asumption. Could you back that up please?

The cultural thing is definitely a big part of it though. You'll find that in a lot of non western societies, people tend to be a lot more insistant than we are, whether they're trying to get you to buy something, asking you to go out somewhere with them or (apparently) when they're chatting you up. Although I appreciate that having some stranger following you around is bound to be intimidating, I would perhaps suggest that we shouldn't be too quick to judge their motives?

I think you ought to be flattered that they like you! All that the peace garden nutters want off me is either money or a fight!

i too am quite anti-racist/anti-fascist but i don't think it is too much to ask for people visiting/re-locating to a different cultural climate to be educated in the nuances of that region. as a traveller myself it is paramount that you respect anothers cultural differences and act accordingly.

as for flattery! i reckon these guys are just desparate more than anything. probably can't afford prostitutes and because of the cultural stigma associated with refugees/asylum seekers find it hard to meet western girls.

then again there could be a sinister agenda at work, but i doubt it.

Originally posted by awayboy

as for flattery! i reckon these guys are just desparate more than anything.

I think their bored more then anything. I think I know one of these men and he’s a very well educated skilled man but because of our asylum laws he isn’t allowed to work as he wants but has to spend his days getting up to little more exciting then volunteer work and meeting with his friends in the peace gardens.

Incidentally I met this man because i like to have my snack in the peace gardens and he came up and started a conversation with me, which I did find rather annoying and pestering but I think he sees it as his only way of integrating and meeting English people.

I’ve just been to the Jewish Museum in Camden and their was an interesting point made that alot of English people berate immigrants and asylum seekers for not integrating, but the same people will often be the most hostile if such a person starts a relationship with an English women.

It reminds me of a Hungarian friend i had come and stay once who everyone thought was extremely rude because when ever she asked to borrow something she would demand it, “I want a hairdryer” etc. Then it struck me that's exactly how I must sound when I go abroad as my language is limited to simple grunted demands.

But is anyone else slightly uneasy at the speed these men have gone from being accused of being cheesy, annoying and persistent pests (how many men on West Street were this last night to single women) to being guilty of people trafficking, running teenage prostitution rings from the peace gardens and now child abuse and paedophilia

Originally posted by kathythebean
I agree with you noseyrosie.

Although to be honest there isn't really anything illegal about approaching people and asking them for their phone number, even to do that to a child is not illegal. The police aren't powerless on account of being accused of racism, more on account of a crime not actually having been commited!

Personally if this happend to me I would make such a fuss that is to say kick off, big style and draw lots of attention to the situation. Don't be nice saying a polite no, just a loud f*** off! Not infront of children though.

From reading the posts, i dont beleive it is anything as sinister as child prostitution.

One or two have had it spot on in that it is all new to them and in their country women do not behave or dress like Britsih women do.

I think it's just a novelty thing for them and possibly a trophy for them to show to there friends. They aim at the younger women (from 14 to 18 ) as one they look as attractive as women above this age (ages can be deceving) but this age are a little more gullible and vulnerable. And from what i've seen many girls fall for it. I have often seen a teenage girl openly kissing one of these guys.

It's not an illegal immigrant thing. It happens everywhere, it's just seen at Peace gardens. I work in a place where i get to see a lot of this. Although much younger, many black and asian youths do the same. In groups they pressure young females. I am not racist at all and have many asian/black friends and some work with me. They agree that you can see cultural differences with the way that the men/youths appraoch women.

This happening in actually a tad scary ...

Bunch o' freaks

It's not an illegal immigrant thing also because that's something the police can stop!

It's a cultural thing. Friends elsewhere in Europe have the same thing happen to them constantly, only it's usually on buses and at bus stops, and usually African guys.

One friend went out with a Middle Eastern guy who was very well educated, and he refused to accept she'd split up with him. He's still constantly call, even try to kiss her - not in a forceful way before anyone gets the wrong idea. Months later he even asked if she would marry him so he could stay in the country, + other stuff like that, and didn't understand why she wouldn't do what he said.

To us it's annoying and disrespectful, and unfortunately also scary (largely thanks the media and to some extent the internet, where everyone knows someone who...).

As anyone on here who'd read the BNP threads knows, I'm fiercely anti-racist BUT yes there should be some kind of regular lessons in British/W Europe society, as long as they're done properly!

Many asylum seekers come from a completely different society to ours, and women are treated very differently indeed in many (most?) countries across the world.

Originally posted by miggy
yes there should be some kind of regular lessons in British/W Europe society, as long as they're done properly!
Where as instead the government forces them to remain unemployed at home watching Trisha. Every episode of that show seems to be about much older men with young women.


Anyone else noticed how often you see young girls stood talking to bus drivers in a similar way. I always find that a bit disturbing. Theirs was a case recently where a very young girl had an affair with a much older bus driver.

Right, I'm off to become a bus driver. Anyone else?

Originally posted by miggy
Right, I'm off to become a bus driver. Anyone else?

See that’s quite a common sort of response a sort of nice one mate attitude to blokes that can pull young girls, unless of course it’s a dirty foreigner. Then their doing it because their paedophiles or people traffickers and should be given ASBO’s

Originally posted by Babsbabs
Personally if this happend to me I would make such a fuss that is to say kick off, big style and draw lots of attention to the situation. Don't be nice saying a polite no, just a loud f*** off! Not infront of children though.

better idea would be a swift kick in the ******** im sure they would think twice before inflicting any abuse on any woman coming there way in the future

Originally posted by youwhatref
It's not an illegal immigrant thing. It happens everywhere, it's just seen at Peace gardens. I work in a place where i get to see a lot of this. Although much younger, many black and asian youths do the same. In groups they pressure young females. I am not racist at all and have many asian/black friends and some work with me. They agree that you can see cultural differences with the way that the men/youths appraoch women.

But they don't approach 'marriage material' in this fashion.... Go figure!!

I was walking home yesterday and this random asian man said something to me so i turned around and he was asking me all kinds of questions like "do you belong here, where you live, whats your name?" and I just said nether edge and then he said "tell me your address and I will come and visit you" I said erm no thanks and ran off hewas weird.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Tell me about it! (Was there last night)

It's nice to finally be legally old enough to go there and can no successfully look scornfully on all the people I know to be underage.....e.g. the 3 people I went there with :rolleyes:

I'm 28 how do you imagine I feel? If I was from Rotherham some of them could be my kids :D

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
You've never been a builder have you.

I’ve worked on sites before were men would actually have scheduled breaks to go onto the roof and check out the local talent. Their comments sounded more like sexual harassment to me.

Often wondered how these men would feel if a swarthy immigrant ever made such comments to theri daughter/partner.

A friend of mine was once approached by a man on Nottingham square who asked her to either crap in a bag for him or lick a dead fish in front of him. When these cheesy men ask women to do either of these we should be worried.

I used to work in a quarry and it was similar there.

The difference between the two culturs is that builders etc will make comments and shout the odd thing out but these men were following people. Neither is right but if girls are being followed and harassed then imo its far more serious than a few comments from a building site.

Originally posted by awayboy
i too am quite anti-racist/anti-fascist but i don't think it is too much to ask for people visiting/re-locating to a different cultural climate to be educated in the nuances of that region. as a traveller myself it is paramount that you respect anothers cultural differences and act accordingly.

as for flattery! i reckon these guys are just desparate more than anything. probably can't afford prostitutes and because of the cultural stigma associated with refugees/asylum seekers find it hard to meet western girls.

then again there could be a sinister agenda at work, but i doubt it.

I'm sure all our Spanish friends would readilly agree that when we are fighting in their streets, smashing up bars, vommiting over their cars and urinating in the street its nice to see the Brits abroad adopting their culture :(

The British are easily as bad as any other nation for refusing to adopt cultures when moving abroad. Its an embarrasment to me and I'll refuse to go on a holiday anywhere near these party areas.

I'll also agree that there is a real culture difference between Eastern Europeans and Britains.

i have not read all of this thread because it is soo long.


i am 20 and i have two 15 year old sisters.
we have all been talked to by these guys but basically i think that if you have the right attitude towards them they arnt going to do anything. my sisters are often hanging around the peace gardens in a large group and they often get approached by these guys. they are very forward but young girls should know that they can talk back to these guys and not be intimidated by them.
thier intention is not to intimidate its thier way of flirting.
my sisters have been approached often but they have never been intimidated by them if you show that you are not interested and are busy they will leave you alone.

i think we need to be open to thier culture because like lots of people have said they are not used to what people think is the right way to treat a women or whatever here.

alot of teenagers have alot of attitude and i know we need to be concerned about what is going on but by the age of 15 they should be able to look after themselves with a bit of help from the peace garden security gaurds who look out for all the young people in there.

amiee xx

It's not an illegal immigrant thing. It happens everywhere, it's just seen at Peace gardens. I work in a place where i get to see a lot of this. Although much younger, many black and asian youths do the same. In groups they pressure young females. I am not racist at all and have many asian/black friends and some work with me. They agree that you can see cultural differences with the way that the men/youths appraoch women.



- in reply to this comment i would just like to point out that alot of these people are not so called "illegal immigrants" they are mostly from the accession states which are the new countries which have joined europe.
which means they are not illegal and do not have to have a visa but do have to have a work permit.


also the comment about black/ asian youths. - well this is interesting because alot of them have been born and brought up in england. the thing about black young men espesially is that they are often just alot more confident then white young men as they often hang around in groups of about 10 rather then just 4, this is just a factor of the black community. they also tend to look alot older then white young men.
these young men are influenced by the english society and how thier culture is potrayed through television and the media. i think this is a totally differnt issue.

i have been approached more often by black/asian young men but spoken to alot more harshly and been disprespected more by white young men.

amiee xx

an intelligent set of comments aimee

i enjoyed reading them

Originally posted by amiee_sheff

also the comment about black/ asian youths. - well this is interesting because alot of them have been born and brought up in england. the thing about black young men espesially is that they are often just alot more confident then white young men as they often hang around in groups of about 10 rather then just 4, this is just a factor of the black community. they also tend to look alot older then white young men.
these young men are influenced by the english society and how thier culture is potrayed through television and the media. i think this is a totally differnt issue.

i have been approached more often by black/asian young men but spoken to alot more harshly and been disprespected more by white young men.

amiee xx

I wouldn't dispute any of this aimee as the black/asian groups do come across more confident than white groups. Part of this fact is probably down to the fact that they do hang around in large groups.

However from what i see (not experienced thankfully) all backgrounds can be equally disrepectful but in different ways.

Originally posted by youwhatref

However from what i see (not experienced thankfully) all backgrounds can be equally disrepectful but in different ways.

I agree that all backgrounds can be disrespectful in different ways but, I've been approached over 6 times in the last 3 months by black and asian men whilst i've been walking through town. Even though i carry on walking and tell them i don't want to speak to them (which i feel harsh about, but if i'm wearing headphones surely its a sign that i don't want to be spoken to?!) they continue to walk with me and ask various questions starting with 'where is your boyfriend?' and leading to 'can i have your number? come back to my house'. It annoys me so much. Atleast 2 of these men have walked with me for over 5 minutes and one of them has walked with me all the way home. It just creeps me out

One guy even saw me as he was driving past (i was sat on a bench reading) so he found a car park, parked up and then walked back to come speak to me. How desperate must he have been?!! I just can't understand it.

Fair enough, if you were both sat on the bus or something and you got chatting but to approach people in this way is practically harrassment.

I have never been approached just during the day by any white men (unless they want my money). And yes, all races can be disrespectful, but white men are more likely to be if they're drunk, but then women can be just as bad if drunk aswell!!

Originally posted by CherryNicole

And yes, all races can be disrespectful, but white men are more likely to be if they're drunk, but then women can be just as bad if drunk aswell!!

Spot on from my experience. It's the alcohol what gives the confidence but unfortunatly also brings out the worst in some fellow men.

If a man approaches you and you don't want the attention, firmly say "no thank you" and walk away. If it looks like they will follow you to your car or home, then go instead to a public place like a shop and loudly ask them to leave you alone.

I think there are some cultural differences which might explain why these guys behave as they do. My family was friendly with two Turkish brothers, both married, and they were very friendly with everyone they met. One of the men used to bring my mother gifts, things like flowers or jewellery, simply because he thought it was a nice thing to do for a woman, especially for the wife of his English friend. They also used to love spoiling their friends' children.

I can see if it is a stranger then it might look odd to buy other peoples' kids sweets but they most likely have entirely innocent intentions. The men I knew when I was growing up lived in a small village and everyone knew them, they were friends with everybody. In a city, this kind of behaviour would look odd though, and they possibly just don't realise that English people are quite reserved and don't normally do that kind of thing.

Geeze, depressing threads today. Or maybe I'm just choosing the wrong ones to read!

Anyway, I think Strix is talking the most sense out of anyone on here. fetishfairy, that sounds like quite a disturbing experience, regardless of the ethnicity of the bloke or what he was wearing etc I'd feel exactly the same way. He obviously has very little respect for you and probably also for your culture in turn, given that you said no and he continued to try to speak to you, attract the attention of your children etc.

I've lived in different countries and reasonably successfully integrated into a different culture. I didn't have to go up to people in the street and try to hang out with them to do that. These guys can go to the local library and join one of the clubs on the message boards, form their own community group and do activities with other community groups to integrate, if they really wanted to integrate they would try to find out what was going on in the city.

Unfortunately, disrespect on the basis of gender goes on everywhere. I've had more comments and abuse thrown at me here by british blokes than anywhere else. Actually that's not true, I've had more comments from muslim guys in the UK than from anyone else. Strange when you're walking along the road in the middle of winter, wrapped up against the cold, so not exactly showing any flesh, and then out come tuts, whispers and then the much more blatant stuff.

Originally posted by Kei_Kei
Geeze, depressing threads today. Or maybe I'm just choosing the wrong ones to read!
:suspect: Yeah, I'd noticed that too :suspect:

Sundays are usually a bit more light hearted than this.
Today's gone all 'Monday morning' :roll:

South Yorks Police are aware that young women/girls are approached or harrassed in the peace gardens. Actually, if you spend time there its not diificult to pick out the plain clothes officers on occasion. Whilst they are not there all the time, they are certainly regularly monitoring the area and have a lot of knowledge about who the main players are

See? I said incidents should be reported ;)

Actually that's not true, I've had more comments from muslim guys in the UK than from anyone else.


- kei_kei, how do know they are muslim??!!!


amiee xx

Originally posted by sheff_minx
Just out of interest, could the police actually do anything about these men?? Or will they just say they're powerless, and then do people like madowl for protecting their families when the law can't?

This was a problem at Picadilly Gardens in Manchester a few years ago. An increased police presence, especially in summer while the kids were playing in the fountains, paid off.

I know they've probably just gone somewhere else, but it reassures families and parents.

I don't know absolutely, not 100%, but based on the traditional dress of the men themselves and the women around them i.e. hijab, I'm guessing they are muslim. There were several occassions on the same stretch of road in Sheffield where this happened to me. It has also happened in airports when I've been waiting for a flight or checking in, and once walking on the beach fully clothed in winter in Oz and the father of a family, I am presuming is muslim due to the fact that the woman he is with was either wearing a headscarf or in full hijab, just standing and staring at me or following me around in full view of his wife (that's what really bugs me! poor woman!) and children as one guy did in Bangkok airport. My boyfriend had to ask him to stop following me. We had to leave the area we were in as he continued to leer at me and the boyf was getting mightily narked.

At university I hung around with a big group of people from all different backgrounds and there were a few incidents that I won't go into which all involved young muslim guys hitting on myself and other girls rather forcefully. Edited to add (as I realised I'd used international references maybe more than UK ones): I was at uni in a city that had a very large muslim population and was told on numerous occasions to "f**k off, white b*tch" if I ignored sleazy comments, while walking home from the library totally minding my own business. A good friend was harrassed frequently and spat at because she wouldn't give one guy her phone number. How did I know the cultural background of these people? This started to happen after another friend began going out with a muslim guy from that area who knew some of these kids. He wasn't that happy about the situation but just avoided it rather than contribute to any trouble.

I'm going on experience only. I take everyone I meet just as they are, it's people's word's and actions that influence my opinion of them not their religion or ethnicity. In these cases these people seem to have had similar cultural backgrounds.

I could go on about all the times anglo-saxon males have harrassed me, this too is unpleasant but has usually been done in a more jokey manner in my perception. My perception being that in the majority of those cases I have been mildly offended but have not felt threatened, however I am of anglo-saxon/celtic origin and the attitude is consequently more familiar to me so this may make a difference in my perception.

i wasnt having a go because you put muslim i was just asking a question.

i am sorry you have been harrassed and whatever but we all have too and i was just pointing out that just because maybe you have been harrassed by other guys who were muslim you dont need to pressume that these were aswell.

i am sorry if i offended you in anyway but i was just wondering how you knew

in my experience i have been commented on more by black guys probably because i am mixed race. and they have been the ones who have been more jokey.

but then thats just my experience

amiee xx

aimee, you didn't offend me. I just find that if I or anyone else makes a statement in which ethnicity or background is a factor it needs to be backed up with actual evidence or it is worthless and obviously prejudiced. That's why I gave all those examples.

A close mate of mine is mixed race and has also found that she's been harrassed more by black guys, at 28 she still doesn't understand why.

Don't think a lot of men of any background fully appreciate how unpleasant it can be to be stared at, followed, have inuendos thrown at you or insults if you don't respond. Fun and larks!

The police don't have to do much with the guys at the Peace Gardens, just have a word with them and let them know that what they're doing isn't going to help them gain any friends and may get them into trouble even if they don't actually mean any harm. Wish it was that simple.

Kei

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
See that’s quite a common sort of response a sort of nice one mate attitude to blokes that can pull young girls, unless of course it’s a dirty foreigner. Then their doing it because their paedophiles or people traffickers and should be given ASBO’s

err... i'm sure that's just the posters particular brand of humour! sarcasm.

Not sure why this has drifted into a 'which colour bloke is the most disrespectful' blog.


The issue is they tried to lure children away and would not take no for an answer.
This is harrassment & enticement of minors by intention whether one likes it or not.


But while we're 'drifting' there's no 'group' more loud, brash, vulgar & disrespectfull than drunken white females.
In my experience.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Hmm. The problem here is that the police have been accused of racism so much in the past (e.g. arresting blacks over whites, and so upping the black:white crime ratio) that they now seem to be swinging as far the other way as possible, e.g. consciously hiring more black/ethnic minority officers, and positively discriminating against those of ethnic minorities. Of course if they are actually causing a problem then this is ridiculous practice!

If the world just saw without colour then life would be a damn site easier. As long as they know that they are not being racist, the police should arrest/talk to anyone they think is troublesome, regardless of colour.

Asking a woman for her phone number is not against the law, but pestering her and following her is, report the incident to the police, place, time, day, plus a photo if possible, or a breif description.

It did turn into a bit of a "which group does what" thing, but that I think was due originally to speculation on where the original poster's pesterer came from and then the acknowledgement that if you are coming into a culture different from your own it may not be clear what's acceptable behaviour. It's not neccessarily race issue, maybe more of a cultural issue as these are obviously not one and the same.

do you know something?

i am asian, i'm 22 and was born and brought up in rotherham

and after reading this thread it makes it so evident that there are so many racist people out there and people that are so narrow minded! its stupid!

u see a few asains guys and you start to sweat, and instantly they are regarded as being muslims! they can be hindu, buddist, sikh etc. etc.

to an extent if you get troubled by young asian guys i think half of it you bring on and attract yourself! i know asian guys can be nutters but then you get nutters in eevry religion!!

i have as many english mates as asians. i never have any problem in mixing or having a conversation.

most of the replies on here sound like they are from typical sheffield council estate, doll seeking people!

going dan te pub tenight to get plastered, then they see an asian guy driving a £20k car and they shout 'paki'

grow up and get out more!!

I would love to get out more but it's not safe out there

Originally posted by star
i am asian, i'm 22 and was born and brought up in rotherham

to an extent if you get troubled by young asian guys i think half of it you bring on and attract yourself!

See? I said so! :mad:

Star,

Understand yourr sentiments but i'd disagree that the many are racist.

People are solely going on experiences, i have many muslim colleagues who agree with me.

I summarised at the end by saying that asian/black people are more confident and are more forceful in their approach. In MY EXPERIENCE, i find this to be true.

Originally posted by star
going dan te pub tenight to get plastered, then they see an asian guy driving a £20k car and they shout 'paki'

:roll: The biggest insult you can hurl at an Indian I believe.
Some people are just dim

star, this entire thread isn't directed at one particular ethnic or religious group. If you read what I wrote it's easy to identify why I thought most of the cases I cited involved muslim guys.

The point on this thread seems to be that when people are not familiar with each other's cultures they don't neccessarily know what the appropriate behaviour is i.e. the guys in the peace gardens appear not to have been in the UK for very long hence they're probably not clued up on what's ok as far as talking to women goes and what British women of any race feel is acceptable.

I'm presuming that If you were born in the UK then you probably have a lot more knowledge about British culture than someone who entered the UK a couple of months ago and is still finding their feet.

I can't really speak for anyone else here but I don't sweat when I see people who are asian, hispanic, blue, pink, green, orange. I do feel uncomfortable if people say or do things that I find unpleasant or threatening. However, if I were making an objective graph or pie chart of harrassment, in my personal experience and perception I've had quite a bit of flak from a particular group so that area of my pie chart would be bigger.

Dunno about other posters but having lived in a culture where I was told by some idiots that I couldn't drive a car because I was foreign, told that I couldn't go into certain restaurants or leisure facilities because of the fact that I was different, had it suggested that I was less of a human being because of the colour of my skin and hair I do have an understanding of racism first hand. I really believe in free and frank discussion and hate pc-ness so if I've offended anyone, my apologies. Just my experiences.

Why does everyone on this Forum shout racist every time any wrong doings by none white people happen and are discussed.
here.
Perhaps in order to prevent this occuring, reports of any wrongdoing should be prevented from carrying any hint of colour, race etc in order to prevent the self righteous indignation that is a constant everytime colour is mentioned on the forum

Originally posted by Snoopy
Why does everyone on this Forum shout racist every time any wrong doings by none white people happen and are discussed.
here.
Perhaps in order to prevent this occuring, reports of any wrongdoing should be prevented from carrying any hint of colour, race etc in order to prevent the self righteous indignation that is a constant everytime colour is mentioned on the forum

Seen :thumbsup:

I'll second that

Originally posted by Snoopy
Why does everyone on this Forum shout racist every time any wrong doings by none white people happen and are discussed.
here.
Perhaps in order to prevent this occuring, reports of any wrongdoing should be prevented from carrying any hint of colour, race etc in order to prevent the self righteous indignation that is a constant everytime colour is mentioned on the forum

Self-righteous indignation, moralistic posturing and tilting at false windmills - this is a response all too common on this forum from certain posters.

Probably because it's personal and emotional for a lot of people. They maybe don't read posts as objectively as they were meant, I know this is the case when I feel strongly about something.

A recent good example was to be found on post regarding naz and the fact the he drove and behaved like a arse [can i say that???]
Again there were the usual simpering cries of racism etc
Someone then pointed out that both Herol Bomber Graham, and Johnny Nelson, were both from Sheffield, both black, both boxers, both drove high powered cars but neither appeared on the forum accused of being arses or driving like one.
The point being, an arse is an arse and a wrongdoer is a wrongdoer no matter what colour.and the sooner that fact is accepted by all the quicker we can get down to settling the real issues of racism

Originally posted by Kei_Kei
Probably because it's personal and emotional for a lot of people. They maybe don't read posts as objectively as they were meant, I know this is the case when I feel strongly about something.

But it tends to inhibit discussion of serious issues. In particular, the word 'racist seems to be used partly to provide the user with a badge of instant moral superiority and also to shut other people up - particularly when they dare to challenge current conventional wisdoms and instead offer thoughtful and reasoned opinions based on their own experiences (as your posts do, Kei-Kei).

getting out of control now!

ITS ALL GOOD IN THE HOOD!!

But while we're 'drifting' there's no 'group' more loud, brash, vulgar & disrespectfull than drunken white females.
In my experience.
posted by don kiddick


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THIS FROM A MAN WITH A NAME LIKE DON KIDDICK ?
I'D SAY YOU WAS THE BRASH AND VULGAR ONE !

hi all

id just like to point out that when kei kei said the guys were muslim, the reason i questioned it was because i knew that other people might get offended by it.
even though it wasnt her intention its like assuming all white people are christian or something (just an example)

this is getting way off topic. i havent read through all the posts but STAR, I think that some people werent trying to stereotype or make a racist comment when they have said certain things.

i think we all need to think about what we say before we say it and realise that we are chatting in a community not just to our friends or family and some of the things we would say amongst friends and family could be quite hurtful to other people if taken the wrong way.

i also just want to point out that what i said about black and asian guys and how they are more confident wasnt ment to sound bad. its a good thing! i was trying to talk from every1s position not just mine.

i think we all need to re-read the first post before we post anymore comments on here.

amiee xx

I haven't read all the posts on here but read about prostitution and thought i'd tell you what i got told in Toni & Guy a year or so ago! They told me that regularly they have plained clothed police officers in there because Kosovans have tried to get young white women into prostitution and they work on the Peace Gardens, not sure if this still happens but obviously it did (plus there were officers in that day when i was there!) The Peace Gardens is a beautiful place but you wouldn't catch me there in a million years, bad enough getting hassled on the buses by them when your stuck on it, let alone allowing it to happen by sitting near them.
I personally think that they need to be taught how us women over here like to be treated, its not fair on us to have to be constantly cautious when we go out in fear of us been hassled, its bad enough been hassled on a night out by drunken lads without getting hassled during the day too!

Originally posted by tinkabel
I haven't read all the posts on here but read about prostitution and thought i'd tell you what i got told in Toni & Guy a year or so ago! They told me that regularly they have plained clothed police officers in there because Kosovans have tried to get young white women into prostitution and they work on the Peace Gardens, not sure if this still happens but obviously it did (plus there were officers in that day when i was there!) The Peace Gardens is a beautiful place but you wouldn't catch me there in a million years, bad enough getting hassled on the buses by them when your stuck on it, let alone allowing it to happen by sitting near them.
I personally think that they need to be taught how us women over here like to be treated, its not fair on us to have to be constantly cautious when we go out in fear of us been hassled, its bad enough been hassled on a night out by drunken lads without getting hassled during the day too!

The war in Kosovo ended over five years ago, so there is no justification for the majority of Kosovan 'asylum seekers' to remain in this country. Other European countries, such as Germany and the Netherlands, have policies in place to return the majority of Kosovan 'asylum seekers' back to Kosovo. The UK ought to do the same.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
The war in Kosovo ended over five years ago, so there is no justification for the majority of Kosovan 'asylum seekers' to remain in this country. Other European countries, such as Germany and the Netherlands, have policies in place to return the majority of Kosovan 'asylum seekers' back to Kosovo. The UK ought to do the same.

I totally agree, i think all asylum seekers who seek asylum to get away from war should be returned when their country is safe. Our country is becoming too over-populated.

Originally posted by star

most of the replies on here sound like they are from typical sheffield council estate, doll seeking people!


Yeh because everyone who lives on a council estate is racist and on the dole! I think this thread has gone beyond 'racism' and is now stereotyping and that is exactly what you have done, so what makes you better than the so-called racist people on this thread? You have got me so annoyed by that comment, i live on a council estate, i am not racist and i am not on the dole.

now you know what it feels like when you see an asian guy in the wrong and you say he has got to be a muslim!

and if you live on a council esate and are not on the dole! then move out! lol lol lol

Originally posted by star
now you know what it feels like when you see an asian guy in the wrong and you say he has got to be a muslim!

and if you live on a council esate and are not on the dole! then move out! lol lol lol

i think its attitudes like yours what stink, get that massive chip off your shoulder if you can

Originally posted by pretty_woman
But while we're 'drifting' there's no 'group' more loud, brash, vulgar & disrespectfull than drunken white females.
In my experience.
posted by don kiddick


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THIS FROM A MAN WITH A NAME LIKE DON KIDDICK ?
I'D SAY YOU WAS THE BRASH AND VULGAR ONE !

but he's right they are SCARY!!

Originally posted by LordChaverly
The war in Kosovo ended over five years ago, so there is no justification for the majority of Kosovan 'asylum seekers' to remain in this country. Other European countries, such as Germany and the Netherlands, have policies in place to return the majority of Kosovan 'asylum seekers' back to Kosovo. The UK ought to do the same.

Five years is a long time. What about those Kosovan 'asylum seekers' who have no homes to return to, or who have since built lives and had children over here?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Where as instead the government forces them to remain unemployed at home watching Trisha. Every episode of that show seems to be about much older men with young women.


Anyone else noticed how often you see young girls stood talking to bus drivers in a similar way. I always find that a bit disturbing. Theirs was a case recently where a very young girl had an affair with a much older bus driver.

Wow,,,,,,five pages before a Bus Driver is brought into the thread,,now that is slow.

So just remember folks,nextime a Bus Driver chats to you,,think,what his is motive?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LMAO

Originally posted by tinkabel
Yeh because everyone who lives on a council estate is racist and on the dole! I think this thread has gone beyond 'racism' and is now stereotyping and that is exactly what you have done, so what makes you better than the so-called racist people on this thread? You have got me so annoyed by that comment, i live on a council estate, i am not racist and i am not on the dole.


Well if its Sterotypes you are looking for,,,,,SheffieldForum is your one stop Sterotype Shop.

Sometimes think they invented the word.

Originally posted by pretty_woman
But while we're 'drifting' there's no 'group' more loud, brash, vulgar & disrespectfull than drunken white females.
In my experience.
posted by don kiddick


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THIS FROM A MAN WITH A NAME LIKE DON KIDDICK ?
I'D SAY YOU WAS THE BRASH AND VULGAR ONE !

So it's my fault I was christened is it? :o

Originally posted by Greenback
Five years is a long time. What about those Kosovan 'asylum seekers' who have no homes to return to, or who have since built lives and had children over here?

The number of homes destroyed in the Kosovan conflict was actually minimal and in any case there has been substantial reconstruction of war damaged infrastructure. I believe that there are substantial grounds for thinking that the majority of Kosovan 'asylum seekers' (mainly Kosovan Albanians rather than gypsies or Serbs) were not in any real danger in the first place were really seeking a life in the West (you can't blame them for that, although I do blame the minority for abusing our hospitality by engaging in criminal activities). All an 'asylum seeker' has to do under current law is to state that he or she claims asylum and they are in the system (it being very difficult to check the veracity of asylum claims, or to remove failed claimants).

Originally posted by star
now you know what it feels like when you see an asian guy in the wrong and you say he has got to be a muslim!

and if you live on a council esate and are not on the dole! then move out! lol lol lol

When have i mentioned muslims in my posts?? i don't care what religion they are, the fact is they shouldn't be doing it! Jesus, and you wonder why you asians get 'picked on' at least living on a council estate gives me some respect for other people except jumped up idiots like you and asians who perv round peace gardens. Now off you go to get a life!

Can we steer this thread away from racism and back to those creepy cheesy men in the Peace Gardens please - surely something can be done about them if they are a pest and public nuisance preying on vulnerable women and children ? If they are Kosovan perhaps they could be monitored and given points against them and should they be amassed a certain number, then be deported back to Kosovo or whereever ...

Well I believe if these men in question are reported to the Peace Gardens security team /Town Centre Ambassadors or even the police for intimidating and causing a nuisance, surely the regular offenders will be barred from approaching this area.

Kady

Originally posted by alisha18
Well I believe if these men in question are reported to the Peace Gardens security team /Town Centre Ambassadors or even the police for intimidating and causing a nuisance, surely the regular offenders will be barred from approaching this area.

Kady

You would think so wouldn't you?

But probably not in today's namby-pamby society.

Dunno what all the fuss is about - we need to embrace other cultures and if that means our delicate sensiblities are injured from time to time through OUR failure to familiarise ourselves with other cultures then that's a small price to pay for the multi cultural society we are building. I will quite happily give up my house, car and the services of my teenage daughter if it helps make one of these poor refugees happy for just one evening. We need to help them more and that means GIVING! Get off your racist soapboxes and start giving these people everything you have....it will save time.

Yes asbo, your snidey tone doesn't disguise the fact that the point you're attempting to make is ill-informed and daft.

We're not building a multi-cultural society, it's already here. Deal with it.

Already here? Your'e having a laugh! Think my point was lost on you mate

Nope, don't think it was mate. But feel free to explain/further illuminate this thread with your coruscating satire...

Don't think asbo was making a point Greenback... think he was poking fun at people who think like that...you take things too seriously

Originally posted by chav
Don't think asbo was making a point Greenback... think he was poking fun at people who think like that...you take things too seriously

I probably do :)

the men you are referring to fetishfairy are ALWAYS there.

i know how u feel, they are not officially doing anything wrong but they make you feel extremely uncomfortable and everytime they approach you, shout at you, heckle or whistle it makes you feel uncomfortable.

not good for race relations.

Someone like that approached my eldest daughter afew mths ago, i was meeting her out side dixons on fargate, she told me this man was bugging her etc, when we were walking to wards the city hall he came over to her again and i did what everyother father would do, i grabed him by his neck and nealy pushed him through a shop window and told him to f*** off or im gonna f****** k** you, plus a few other other words. creaps.

Nice one, pal - I once did the same thing when I had my young daughters with me if someone was lary, but I did it for my (now) ex-wife because of slimy men.

Only thing these slimy would-be rapists or pimps understand.

these guys are just a bunch of lowlifes that have got nothing better to do. it is not good the way they approach girls, and the other thing about them not caring about age. they are desperate ******** and most of them are immigrants. one day they are going to mess with the wrong girl and cause a big riot cos they are always in big numbers.

DIRTY LOWLIFE SCUMBAGS

Not read all the posts so if someone already mentioned it I apologise.
I think they are trying to get attached to someone quickly so they can get married with in a year before they have to go back to their own country.
I was actually speaking with a Turkish young man sometime ago & he said they have to do national service in their country. So they come over here for a year by getting a college course. He then had a year to get married to enable him to stay in this country. Don't know if he was successful.
I guess they try to aim for girls who they see as vulnerable, possible single parents & teenagers.

Theyre bad enough in Turkey and now theyre here!! Theyre like a bloody plague of rats.

Not read all the posts so if someone already mentioned it I apologise.
I think they are trying to get attached to someone quickly so they can get married with in a year before they have to go back to their own country.
I was actually speaking with a Turkish young man sometime ago & he said they have to do national service in their country. So they come over here for a year by getting a college course. He then had a year to get married to enable him to stay in this country. Don't know if he was successful.
I guess they try to aim for girls who they see as vulnerable, possible single parents & teenagers.

I'm not convinced it is purely to get married. They come from countries where females are not as confident and dress differently. Here they see young white blonde girls and this is what they like. But they target the younger ones as they are more vulnerable. I often used to see some 20 or 30 y/o immigrant necking with a 13 y/o.

When i was at secondry school it was a regular thing to have visitors from Egypt, this was the only country they ever came from and it was always only men. Anyway, a couple of them came in to sit in on my maths class and i got lumbered with one of them beside me, he seemed nice enough and kept asking questions about the work we were doing. At lunchtime he was waiting for all his mates and he called me over when i passed him, he gave me his phone number and told me that he was staying in a local hotel and that he'd like to take me out for dinner! Being 14 and drooling over most males that walked i was V. Flattered, luckily my friends talked me out of it...........

Can we all stop skirting round the subject in the hope of not offending people?

In their cultures, women who choose to show so much flesh and appear in public are common whores. That's why they think they can treat western women this way.

Until the PC brigade naff off and let us 'educate' these people before they are 'integrated into society' we dont have a hope in hell :mad:

PS - 'integrated' does not mean 'slung out and left to fed for yourself' like the government seem to think it does :rant:



and what culture is that?here in sheffield you go out on sat and you see girls getting pestered by white english folks.

are these english folks having a different culture then?


as with regards to this topic there is only one thing.give them the traditional 2 word sent off loudly enough to be heard by everyone in the vicinity.

Embarassing them in front of others is the one effective way

I agree with you noseyrosie.

Although to be honest there isn't really anything illegal about approaching people and asking them for their phone number, even to do that to a child is not illegal. The police aren't powerless on account of being accused of racism, more on account of a crime not actually having been commited!

If they were doing it to my daughter there would definitely be a crime commited and these filthy b******s would be on the receiving end..........IN A VERY BIG WAY. :mad:

Theyre bad enough in Turkey and now theyre here!! Theyre like a bloody plague of rats.

I disagree - I basically feel sorry for most of them - they are in a strange country and some of them are alienated by a different language ... they don't necessarily have the money to go out and socialise in pubs and clubs and they may experience discrimination anyway ... they probably dont have purpose built social clubs either - therefore their only social networking seems to be hanging around some central place - I suppose it is a bit unfortunate that they chose the peace gardens as it does not give new visitors to Sheffield a great impression of a central landmark ... but I guess they have to have somewhere to meet ..... most of the time they seem to keep to themselves ad not hassle people ... I suppose this incident with the woman was an unfortunately but maybe isolated ... ?

I disagree - I basically feel sorry for most of them - they are in a strange country and some of them are alienated by a different language ... they don't necessarily have the money to go out and socialise in pubs and clubs and they may experience discrimination anyway ... they probably dont have purpose built social clubs either - therefore their only social networking seems to be hanging around some central place - I suppose it is a bit unfortunate that they chose the peace gardens as it does not give new visitors to Sheffield a great impression of a central landmark ... but I guess they have to have somewhere to meet ..... most of the time they seem to keep to themselves ad not hassle people ... I suppose this incident with the woman was an unfortunately but maybe isolated ... ?

Absolutely! I can see now that that makes their sexual harassment of young girls perfectly acceptable and anyone who disagrees is a racist!:loopy:

I think these guys have been watching too many Duran Duran videos. Very sleazy. I hate sleazy people. They don't seem to realise most girls don't like sleaze, they think that's what they want!

As long as there's no alterior motive in terms of prejudice here (and I'm not implying that there is, but it's nice that the racist brigade have died down for the moment and I sincerely hope all that BNP stuff doesn't start up again), I'm willing to agree with some of that. It's not that they're specifically refugees or illegal immigrants* (once again I shall go for the 'how the hell can you tell?!' stance) but if someone has recently come to the country is likely to have less tact or knowledge of British customs/ways that we treat women. The courtesy that we take for granted may be something they have no concept of.


*Two completely different things by the way, not to be confused!

Of COURSE they are refugees and / or illegal immigrants. Lets not beat around the bush trying to be tactful.

Ten years ago (from memory), we did not have groups of mullet haired, olive skinned men congregatring in the town centre, donning the "Sheffield working mens club 1985" look. Ten years on, and with Sheffield a seeming hotbed for eastern european / middle eastern immigration, we do. It doesnt take a bleeding claculator to work that one out Holmes.

Well I can understand how they would think that about english girls as compared to their local girls, english girls are more liberated, dress more scantily especially if goin out of a weekend night , drink more, etc etc - thats not to say that condones their behaviour but you can see why they would think that compared with girls in burkas, hijabs, etc.

I disagree - I basically feel sorry for most of them - they are in a strange country and some of them are alienated by a different language ... they don't necessarily have the money to go out and socialise in pubs and clubs and they may experience discrimination anyway ... they probably dont have purpose built social clubs either - therefore their only social networking seems to be hanging around some central place - I suppose it is a bit unfortunate that they chose the peace gardens as it does not give new visitors to Sheffield a great impression of a central landmark ... but I guess they have to have somewhere to meet ..... most of the time they seem to keep to themselves ad not hassle people ... I suppose this incident with the woman was an unfortunately but maybe isolated ... ?

I presume this is meant to be a joke? (yes, I am aware of the irony there)

This has been going on for at least the last three years in Sheffeld city centre. A cursory glance through previous threads on this forum will show that. Isolated incident my @rse.

I would also suggest to any would be casanova that strutting around town looking like the Kurdish version of David Hasselhoff will not get you anyone's phone number. Not even Matthew Kelly's.

I disagree - I basically feel sorry for most of them - they are in a strange country and some of them are alienated by a different language ... they don't necessarily have the money to go out and socialise in pubs and clubs

I'm not so sure about that, you see plenty of them in brand new £100+ trainers, so they aint poor.

A recent good example was to be found on post regarding naz and the fact the he drove and behaved like a arse [can i say that???]
Again there were the usual simpering cries of racism etc
Someone then pointed out that both Herol Bomber Graham, and Johnny Nelson, were both from Sheffield, both black, both boxers, both drove high powered cars but neither appeared on the forum accused of being arses or driving like one.
The point being, an arse is an arse and a wrongdoer is a wrongdoer no matter what colour.and the sooner that fact is accepted by all the quicker we can get down to settling the real issues of racism


Thanks god for a pragmatic common sense post.

EVERY race has its Wrong doers
EVERY race has is Racists

FACT.

So are these guys still hanging around then annoying people? only this post started a year ago....just wondered if anything had changed????

a simliar thing like this used to happen in josephines and branigans the men would try and get off with anything in a skirt if they got the knock back then they would simply move on to another i stopped going to branigans because of this you would get approached by a lot of olive skinned would be lotharios more probably than the sex trafficing ring theory is that these men are illegal immigrants that want a british passport if a polite no doesnt disuede them then a loud f**k off and leave me alone will

So are these guys still hanging around then annoying people? only this post started a year ago....just wondered if anything had changed????

To be honest I haven't seen 'em there for a long time. I reckon the council security must've moved them along. Thank God. :D

Actually the other week I had my butt felt up by one of them in Kingdom, so mystery solved!

i havnt read all this thread, but i definatly have first hand experience of these men. From being what... about 12 or 13 years old ive been propositioned, stared at, chatted up and harrasssed on many, many occasions by foriegn guys at the peace gardens, often part of a large group. im now 18 and its still happening!

needless to say i dont sit in there anymore cos of this, especialy if im on my own. correct me if im wrong but, there is a law against people hanging around in large intimidating groups isnt there?

personally i think its a disgrace because some of the girls ive seen them with are obviously very young as was I. It really annoys me when i see people come into this country and behave in such immoral and indecent ways.

Probably one of the best things to do if it is during the day is to go into one of the big shops on Fargate eg Marks and Sparks, Waterstone's, Top Shop. They have security and they won't follow you there because of that. Orchard Sq has security guards all the time it's open.

You could also try city centre ambassadors who are usually helpful

A lot of times it DOES come to that strix but when it does the authorities are useless! Over 95% of reported rapes don't even end up in court. So whats the point stressing about some men in the peace gardens if real rapists are getting away with it all over the place!


Not to defend rapists, you understand, BUT....

Your statement assumes that all reported rapes are indeed real, and that someone is guilty of an offence which doesn't get proceeded against. This is very far from the case.

Many women report a rape where none existed in fact, for a whole variety of reasons.

Their boyfriend, husband, father finds out they have had sex - and the only way to defend their position is to allege rape.

They agreed to sex at the time, but are indignant that the guy didn't call them next day, or behaved in a crass or uncaring way afterwards, and they want to punish him.

Rape is a unique offence, which is the hardest to prosecute. Think about it.

For a start, the activity is one which is normally (apart from places like La Chambre, must get down there one day!) conducted in private, away from witnesses. Therefore, it's nearly always down to one person's word against another, unless there is strong corroborative evidence (bad injuries, which is not often the case) or there is a huge age disparity.

AND - rape is the ONLY offence where the activity that takes place is normal and natural behaviour between two people, and the only difference that turns normal activity into an offence is the state of mind of one of the parties!

I mean, no one says to someone else:

"Come round on Saturday night, we'll go out on the town, and then you can go round my house, steal my stuff, and leg it with a bag marked SWAG over your shoulder"

In other words, no one arranges to be burgled for pleasure with another person. Or to have their car stolen. Or to have their face kicked in on West St at 1am Sunday morning! For mutual fun.

But people arrange to make love all the time (thank goodness!). If a woman decides afterwards that no, she didn't agree, was too drunk, etc - and reports a rape - it's almost impossible to prosecute because she can't prove that she did not consent at the time.

The consequences of a conviction are so severe that the authorities, quite rightly, look for corroborating evidence before just taking a person's word for it that they did not consent...

I'm not sure - again Im not defending these men, I'm just saying that if I were to try and set up a sex trafficking ring in sheffield I wouldn't do it in the most public place I could find?!


Most of it comes down to cultural misunderstanding. These guys were brought up in a society where women had to remain at home, or modest, and certainly weren't free to pursue a sex life as and when they wanted.

They see women here (perfectly normal women) dressed in a way that only a hooker would back home, and they think that all women can (and do) have sex when and with whom they like - and it's overwhelming...

And they want some of it themselves...

The real problem is they shouldn't have been let in in the first place in such numbers. There's never been a happy or successful large-scale immigration into a society like we've had in the last 30 years... anywhere.

Northern Ireland 400 years ago
America 200 years ago (ask the Indians!)
Australia 200 years ago (ask the Abos!)
Israel 50 years ago

Most of it comes down to cultural misunderstanding. These guys were brought up in a society where women had to remain at home, or modest, and certainly weren't free to pursue a sex life as and when they wanted.

They see women here (perfectly normal women) dressed in a way that only a hooker would back home, and they think that all women can (and do) have sex when and with whom they like - and it's overwhelming...

And they want some of it themselves...



This is a rather disingenuous statement Rod. I have been bought up in a western society, but I dont go up to Muslim Women and say "its a bit hot love, why dont you take that head dress off."

They know full well what they are doing is not acceptable. One of my best friends was approached by these "gentlemen" a few weeks ago and wouldnt let it drop. One would assume that after being told a thousand times "***** off you dirty greasy b*stard" that maybe, just maybe, they would realise not all English women are prostitutes waiting for the amorous advances of a middle eastern lothario wearing a gold medallion and grey slip on shoes.

I've been approached by loads of those men and tehy are soooo sleazy and horrible!

I was sat in the Peace Gardens alone on my lunch break when it was really hot, I'd rolled my trousers up (British style :hihi:) so I could tan my legs. I looked up and realised this guy was filming me on his mobile, I could tell cos he was sat with it at an angle and I got a bit freaked out cos he looked horrible. And I got my stuff together and stood up and he moved the phone up so then I knew he was definatley filming me, he smiled at me so I gave a dirty look and walked off.

And one Friday, I went home earlier so was alone and I got the bus the wrong way (I live in High Green, ended up on London Road, I'm a bit dizzy sometimes lol) and I was stood at the bus stop and this man came up to me, smiling at me, I just gave a tight little smile and turned round. After about 5 mins he asked if I was waiting for the bus, I felt like saying 'no, I'm just stood at the stop for fun' but I just nodded and he said he wasnt, but waiting for friends, which sounded VERY dodgy as he pointed to them and they were just stood there. He asked if I wanted a lift and I said no and thank god my bus came!! Its really scary on London Road when your alone, and my battery was flat too on my phone!

^well dodgy, you want to get over to nether edge next time you dizzy-out, its just kids in honda civics over here, not many moustachioed wierdos out to get ya-

plus chilli chicken are doin burger and chips for a quid. you cant top that yo:)

^well dodgy, you want to get over to nether edge next time you dizzy-out, its just kids in honda civics over here, not many moustachioed wierdos out to get ya-

plus chilli chicken are doin burger and chips for a quid. you cant top that yo:)

:hihi: Dizzy-out! I like that, I'll be in Netheredge all the time!

Still don't know how I managed to get the wrong bus though, I wasn't even drunk! :hihi:

cool...im that stubbly punter in the all-nite spa, looking shifty by the cider...say hi, if you can find the right door to come in:)

catching the wrong bus is a...'unique' skill, esp. sober:hihi: *claps*

You should have slapped the c**t. Or, alternatively, politely asked him to "***** off!"

They probably want you to marry him so he can stay in the country

I think if anything like this happens should be reported straight to police

Surely a group of men intimidating women can be subject to an ASBO?

i was there today, about 1pm ish...didnt see many swarthy types except for an aged middle eastern (i think) dude with a crazy frizzy quiff hair do...he looked a little, er, interesting:)

Most of it comes down to cultural misunderstanding. These guys were brought up in a society where women had to remain at home, or modest, and certainly weren't free to pursue a sex life as and when they wanted.

They see women here (perfectly normal women) dressed in a way that only a hooker would back home, and they think that all women can (and do) have sex when and with whom they like - and it's overwhelming...

And they want some of it themselves...

The real problem is they shouldn't have been let in in the first place in such numbers. There's never been a happy or successful large-scale immigration into a society like we've had in the last 30 years... anywhere.

Northern Ireland 400 years ago
America 200 years ago (ask the Indians!)
Australia 200 years ago (ask the Abos!)
Israel 50 years ago

Yes as I sit here being defened by loud fireworks and "Bangra" music from a wedding party in Glen Road, I tend to agree with you - this is not what Integration is supposed to be about - its people behaving exactly as they would in Pakistan or India or whereever having very noisy celebrations - yet if we played rock music too loud by George we would have to stop it quickly when the authorities clamp down on us ...

Yes as I sit here being defened by loud fireworks and "Bangra" music from a wedding party in Glen Road, I tend to agree with you - this is not what Integration is supposed to be about - its people behaving exactly as they would in Pakistan or India or whereever having very noisy celebrations - yet if we played rock music too loud by George we would have to stop it quickly when the authorities clamp down on us ...


This thread was about Cheesy Men at the Peace Gardens. I don't quite understand what a wedding party in Glen Road has to do with the original thread. The way different cultures decide to celebrate their weddings is entirely up to them. All cultures do things differently so just show some patience and respect. You point out that this isn't integration, but integration is about showing respect and EDUCATING yourself to make a valid judgement on a person or culture, which you certainly don't appear to have any knowledge of.

these people you are all talking about are cosavans they hang around ther all the time looking for anybody that can give them a british passport my nextdoor neighbour is one of them stupid little girl she had a kid to one and now they both spong off the tax payers there is nothing wrong with him so why doesnt he work i work with disabled people and some of them have got jobs so there is no excuse but what gets me they have no job so how do they afford new mobile phones and designer gear when we axpress our opinion we always get accused of being racist

Most of it comes down to cultural misunderstanding. These guys were brought up in a society where women had to remain at home, or modest, and certainly weren't free to pursue a sex life as and when they wanted.

They see women here (perfectly normal women) dressed in a way that only a hooker would back home, and they think that all women can (and do) have sex when and with whom they like - and it's overwhelming...

And they want some of it themselves...



I don't want to go off topic here but I've had a similar experience at college with an Iranian guy.
Anyway my point is that surely foreign people should study what is deemed acceptable in our society before they move here, like what I have done as I hope to move to Japan next year.
There is no excuse for cultural ignorance, these guys should treat woman the way our society says they should, and I personally will slap anyone else who treats me otherwise.

snippy: surely foreign people should study what is deemed acceptable in our society before they move here, like what I have done as I hope to move to Japan next year. There is no excuse for cultural ignorance, these guys should treat woman the way our society says they should

Yes they should but you'll always get men AND women here trying to find excuses for people's disrespectful behaviour towards women. No offence, BigRod but you don't have any valid points either about this or rape IMO.

mikebayley makes a good point - if English men can do it, why can't these others?

If people see any untoward behaviour in the Peace Gardens such as Sunshine experienced, maybe they should report it to the security staff there or the CC Ambassadors?

Reading all this makes ME want to emigrate!

that has scared me to death,my eldest daughter of 6 is nagging me all the time to go shopping with her mates,she is only 12 but looks a little older,ill tell you what now after i have read your post the answer is no,and thanks for letting me realise

I work just accross the road from the peace gardens, Its not uncommon to see these greasey pillocks trying to lure in the young girls.
Many a time I have seen them getting a pasting from the fathers of said kids. It really bothers me that these people have the cheek to approach these young girls, especially when they are with parents :rant:

I was down there today and i saw, yet again, these groups of men leering over the very young girls hanging around the gardens.
I seem to notice things around me happening that most people do not (shoplifters, drug dealers etc).
What i saw today was deeply disturbing. I only hope word spreads and parents drill it in to their kids what dangers 'could' be waiting for them around the gardens.
Let's face it. No one is going to do anything about the groups of men hanging around.

these people you are all talking about are cosavans they hang around ther all the time looking for anybody that can give them a british passport my nextdoor neighbour is one of them stupid little girl she had a kid to one and now they both spong off the tax payers there is nothing wrong with him so why doesnt he work i work with disabled people and some of them have got jobs so there is no excuse but what gets me they have no job so how do they afford new mobile phones and designer gear when we axpress our opinion we always get accused of being racist

So all the men hanging about in the Peace Gardens are cosavans (from Kosova?). Your next door neighbour is a Kosovan who had a kid to one of the guys from the Peace Gardens? Perhaps he doesn't work because (a) he is an asylum seeker who isn't allowed to work by the government (loads of threads on the forum explaining this), (b) because he hasn't got a good enough grasp of English to get employment, or even (c) he likes the UK culture so much he's decided to emulate many of the people he's met (like his girlfriend) and claim benefits! Don't know how anyone who is on the dole can afford many things, but don't see what thats got to do with the topic.

I dont understand why these men are not allowed to work by the government - can someone plase explain to me why my taxes are subsidising them to get young girls pregnant and then for both of them to claim benefits and buy designer gear ????
And by the way Alisha to quote you "integration is about showing respect" yes setting off Bangers at unearthy hours is showing respect for your neighbours ?? I dont get it ...

i think the fact that we are allowing these sad so called men 2 even be in our country is more than discusting,im finding all this very hard 2 come to terms with.we already know we have discusting peados to be aware of but this certainly is taking the *iss.to think that we wont be able to allow our teenaged daughters to ever have a little independence like we once had is discusting,im ashamed of our country 4 letting these people in

im so glad you are sharing what you saw with your own eyes,it will make other mothers be aware of this because i certainly did not know,and like iv said to some one else my eldest daughter who as just become a teenager was wanting a bit of independence,eg,going shopping with her friends to town,that now after reading what iv now read is a deffinate no.because of these discusting horrible creatures my daughters bit of independence has gone down the swonnie, thanks for letting us be aware from linda

personally, i dont feel that the problem of these men harrasing girls has gone/or will ever go away any time soon.... it scares the hell out of me and i didnt realise until a few week ago when i was walking past the odeon in town.. a guy (possibly kosovan but not sure) was walking along side me asking me to go to his home and have sex , i kept saying no! go away and leave me alone but he followed me all the way to hallam uni and was very persistant! although its only words, to a girl walking down the road alone it can be very scary! i found the funny side and laughed it off afterwards.. but no, its not funny and it does need to be stopped somehow.

i dont understand y these kind of people have got such a huge appetite for sex,what is wrong with these people,they should leave us females alone and try with our men then see what they get,

I wish people would stop apologising and making excuses on behalf of these predatory men. A lecher is a lecher regardless of their culture or country of origin. Please don't wrap yourselves into knots in an attempt to prove how tolerant you are, it's annoying and dangerously naive.

Decent men, wherever they're from, know how to behave around women and it's a form of racism to argue otherwise.

I was down there today and i saw, yet again, these groups of men leering over the very young girls hanging around the gardens.
I seem to notice things around me happening that most people do not (shoplifters, drug dealers etc).
What i saw today was deeply disturbing. I only hope word spreads and parents drill it in to their kids what dangers 'could' be waiting for them around the gardens.
Let's face it. No one is going to do anything about the groups of men hanging around.

Vidster, I know that you know I'm going to say, but it's useful advice for others too.

If you see anything that concerns you (not just this specific topic) try to call the Community Support Team at West Bar nick. Like all these things the Police need help from the public and the more reports that this kind of thing gets the more likely it is that it will bounce up the priority list.

I dont understand why these men are not allowed to work by the government - can someone plase explain to me why my taxes are subsidising them to get young girls pregnant and then for both of them to claim benefits and buy designer gear ????
And by the way Alisha to quote you "integration is about showing respect" yes setting off Bangers at unearthy hours is showing respect for your neighbours ?? I dont get it ...

The issue of setting off bangers is an entirely different matter. This is an anti-social behaviour problem. It can happen outside a pub, nightclub or even at a wedding ceremony like you mention, but if you are being subjected to this kind of unfair behaviour you should report it to the relevant authorities. Instead of complaining about it on this forum you need to get together with some neighbours and actually get something done about it. After all it is your neighbourhood too!

I am stunned and horrified by some of the tales in this thread! :o God help them if they try their lecherous ways on with me :rant: Especially if I'm out with my young son. :mad:

They probably want you to marry him so he can stay in the country

haha! I said exactly the same thing! :gag:

Well, the thread was started in June 2005 (although I'm sure I contributed to a similar thread before this) and is still happening so the police or relevant powers that be can't see it being as much of an issue, even though it is undesirable.

Well, the thread was started in June 2005 (although I'm sure I contributed to a similar thread before this) and is still happening so the police or relevant powers that be can't see it being as much of an issue, even though it is undesirable.


It isn't exactly a priority and the police walk on broken grass with the immigrants due to the PC brigade. Plus most of the young girls dont complain anyway so why do they need to step in?

No offence, BigRod but you don't have any valid points either about this or rape IMO.


In what way are my comments about rape invalid? I was pointing out that, while not condoning rape in any way, it is almost impossible for anyone not present at the offence to do anything other than decide who is lying....

And there should not be a presumption in favour of one party or the other.

Rape IS still the only offence to my knowledge where the activity that comprises the offence is normal co-operative behaviour between two people, and the only thing that determines whether it was an offence or not is the attitude of mind of one of the parties - or at least the attitude of mind she SAYS she had at the time....

Pretty insubstantial grounds for committing someone to a long prison term...

Which is why there will always be a low prosecution rate and a low conviction rate for rape.

Sorry if you don;t like the facts, but there it is...

This is a rather disingenuous statement Rod. I have been bought up in a western society, but I dont go up to Muslim Women and say "its a bit hot love, why dont you take that head dress off."

They know full well what they are doing is not acceptable. One of my best friends was approached by these "gentlemen" a few weeks ago and wouldnt let it drop. One would assume that after being told a thousand times "***** off you dirty greasy b*stard" that maybe, just maybe, they would realise not all English women are prostitutes waiting for the amorous advances of a middle eastern lothario wearing a gold medallion and grey slip on shoes.

I agree entirely. They hsould desist - but I was pointing out that cultural attitudes go very deep, and if they are brought up to believe, since childhood that any woman who shows her body in public is a whore, then re-education will take a bit of time.

What may help re-education is forced repatriation of all those convictedo f harassment in this way - I think the message would get round.

My girlfriend (aged 50-ish) says that on nights out in Doncaster with her daughter, the pair of them were pestered constantly in clubs and pubs by Kosovans coming up and physically rubbing themselves against them (usually their backs) in time with the music. Often felt like carrying half a brick in their handbags to clock offenders with!

I really hope people won't hijack this and turn it into a massive ra....-cut-.....t there. They don't seem to care how young they are.

Has anyone else noticed this happening or been hassled themselves?

Suprised i've missed this huge thread.... but i've only read the first page, (as i'm off to bed)... so i may be copying other views...

That sounded scary FairyN, I hate this kind of intimidation, the perpetrators sound like the kind of people who may have views of life/(women) not shared by westerners. (although thats the first I've heard of going for kids)

These few, prey on people they see as vunerable...they clearly cannot be from Sheffield, otherwise they'd know better than to intimidate a woman.

ash

obviously things havent changed in nearly 2 years down there

They'l be Kosovans....stay away from them!!!

i lived in york for a while and gangs of kids aged 10-12 used to hand about (usally betwwen 10-20 of them) now im far bigger and uglyer then most but even i found it intimaidting at times so i know how you feel

I've had unwanted attention from people that sound simialr. It really puts me off going into town alone :(

thats unbelievable! i would of kicked the fu** out of them!!

i am asian too but them refugees give us a bad name cos of all the things they do!!

i'd go there again hpoing they are there again and pull out a kitchen knife and then ask them ' do you still want my number!!'

i'm afraid thats the only language they understand!

People do not want to be going to the peace gardens with a knife get a grip man.

its weird this thread has been ressurected - i only commented on them today - saying i cant believe there is still this happening, shame the city centre embassadors employed to guard the peacegardens dont put em off hanging round there

e x

I had a real problem with a similar group of lads (that I personally think were albanian (sp?) refugees) when I was at college, they were really slimy, I found it very intimidating! A friend of mine also had a very bad experience she got the police involved too.
This was 10 years ago. :(


I have noticed them hanging around the peace gardens too, and agree that the city centre ambassadors need to do what they are paid for. :huh:

As long as there's no alterior motive in terms of prejudice here (and I'm not implying that there is, but it's nice that the racist brigade have died down for the moment and I sincerely hope all that BNP stuff doesn't start up again), I'm willing to agree with some of that. It's not that they're specifically refugees or illegal immigrants* (once again I shall go for the 'how the hell can you tell?!' stance) but if someone has recently come to the country is likely to have less tact or knowledge of British customs/ways that we treat women. The courtesy that we take for granted may be something they have no concept of.


*Two completely different things by the way, not to be confused!

Well, I'll be honest and I am glad this thread is not hijacked with usuall stuff but, I'm from the east, Arabia but due to my deep culture I never really kind of went out to meet women or anything like that, and I had sisters and bros to look after cause I was kind of the father figure, cause mi dad was not around.

But here is the thing. What happened was wrong, yes, and it's not got to do with Arabian culture but rather misconception that women in UK are easy. Please don't get me wrong, in thinking I mean to offend in anyway. This misconception and mentality is wrong and also dangerous too.

But this is the case of the mentality of some Asians too. They think they just go with any woman, especially white women but when marriage or anything serious, some, not all, but most, won't really get serious.

In regards to myself - as an Arab, I am upfront. I was taught not to play games, not to play usual crap chat up lines either. But to respect the woman, and if I wanted to know her, I would go right up to her and say so. I had no problem with that. It was kind of strange to see guys of other cultures kind of work very hard to pluck courage to do so but, maybe because of lack of confidence. Don't know.

But from Arab side - we are not the usual types to be scared to go to a woman and ask. There are many idoits in our community. There are many hypocrites too. I definitley agree with this. Even in my area. I see them driving in car and when they see a woman they stop and they all come out with their mates to try it on.

Usually, I would find the new ones who come to UK. Not all, but quiet a few who just lose it. And think they can do this. I sometimes cringe when I hear about this.

[QUOTE=theHook;2494072 it's not got to do with Arabian culture but rather misconception that women in UK are easy. Please don't get me wrong, in thinking I mean to offend in anyway. This misconception and mentality is wrong and also dangerous too.

But this is the case of the mentality of some Asians too. They think they just go with any woman, especially white women but when marriage or anything serious, some, not all, but most, won't really get serious. END OF QUOTE]

Word of warning mate You do not know what you've let yourself in for saying that!

What gets me is that when people decide to take matters in to their own hands if they no these people try it on with their sisters, girlfriends etc there the first to claim the good old "Race Card" if they get beaten or attacked.

But think its quite ok to think that all brtish woman are easy. We just dont accept it like other people say, if its part of your culture to just go upto woman and be striaght forward.

Adapt to our culture in our country and accept you cant just hassle woman who are not intrested!!!!!!

Word of warning mate You do not know what you've let yourself in for saying that!

What gets me is that when people decide to take matters in to their own hands if they no these people try it on with their sisters, girlfriends etc there the first to claim the good old "Race Card" if they get beaten or attacked.

But think its quite ok to think that all brtish woman are easy. We just dont accept it like other people say, if its part of your culture to just go upto woman and be striaght forward.

Adapt to our culture in our country and accept you cant just hassle woman who are not intrested!!!!!!

..unbelievable. I guess there are no examples of groups of white males/teenagers 'harassing' young girls?

Incidentally, there is a difference in proportionality between trying to chat a girl up (that's what we all used to do in pubs & nightclubs when I was younger) and being attacked/beaten up by some irate boyfriend, which you seem to justify. You make a lot of assumptions in your post. Do you have any examples of 'these people' playing the race card, whatever that might be I've never known it having any effectiveness in defence of any illegal behaviour towards women.

Due to the PC brigade being ridiculous in this day and age the police and City centre ambassadors dont act upon these guys in the peace gardens as much as they should because they know that they will play this card. Someone mentioned it earlier in the post!

And im guessing your in this PC brigade, Thats the problem with the UK at the moment we just get walked over because of human rights, political correctness bla bla bla!

This was quoted by numerous radicals who STILL remain in this country and publish hatred to the public regular!

We do need to toughen up and if it begins at small issues then so be it. we need to set a footmark somewhere along the line or it will get worse.

Due to the PC brigade being ridiculous in this day and age the police and City centre ambassadors dont act upon these guys in the peace gardens as much as they should because they know that they will play this card. Someone mentioned it earlier in the post!

And im guessing your in this PC brigade, Thats the problem with the UK at the moment we just get walked over because of human rights, political correctness bla bla bla!

This was quoted by numerous radicals who STILL remain in this country and publish hatred to the public regular!

We do need to toughen up and if it begins at small issues then so be it. we need to set a footmark somewhere along the line or it will get worse.


What exactly is 'The PC Brigade'?? There you go making assumptions again..whether I am or not a member of this ill described group is irrelevant. To me it's just common sense. If someone on here posted that Sheff Utd fans are hooligans because they once saw someone with a Blades scarf drop litter..I would speak up for football supporters too...and I hate football!

The fact that someone mentioned earlier in this thread that 'these people' play the race card is also irrelevant as it adds no credibility to fact or your argument whatsoever.

By the way, I'm not defending the human rights of men that harrass women, it's wrong plain & simple..but what you're doing is demonising certain immigrant groups that might do this whilst ignoring the fact that some members of the indigenous population behave the same way..my argument is if you're going to be a whinger at least be even handed about it.

Now, allow me to make a small assumption..to me it sounds like your sensitivities have been inflamed by the fact that white women are being approached by 'Johnny Foreigner' and men with swarthy faces.

No what annoys me the most is when people various people say its wrong and disturbing, Theirs always people like yourself who always try and twist it somehow!

Then it just gets in to a slanging match............... ITS WRONG END OF!!

This was quoted by numerous radicals who STILL remain in this country and publish hatred to the public regular!

We do need to toughen up and if it begins at small issues then so be it. we need to set a footmark somewhere along the line or it will get worse.

..er I think you're getting your prejudices mixed up. This thread was (two years ago) about allegations of men chatting up and hassling women.

No what annoys me the most is when people various people say its wrong and disturbing, Theirs always people like yourself who always try and twist it somehow!

Then it just gets in to a slanging match............... ITS WRONG END OF!!

the irony....:|

the post was originally 2 years ago but its still happening, so does that say its getting better or worse?

No what annoys me the most is when people various people say its wrong and disturbing, Theirs always people like yourself who always try and twist it somehow!

Then it just gets in to a slanging match............... ITS WRONG END OF!!


..sorry I don't understand the first sentence of your post. You obviously had difficulties reading mine in its entirety. I said harrassing women was wrong 'plain & simple'.

Incidentally, it's ironic how you complain about people 'playing the race card' when it was you that brought it up and me merely responding to your use of it, I've been watching this thread for a few days now and only now chosen to make any comment because much of what has been said I have sympathy with, particularly the OP's original comments.

the irony....:|

...innit?! :)

the post was originally 2 years ago but its still happening, so does that say its getting better or worse?

..what? Consideration of United's promotion prospects? :D

Ps..sorry that was uneccessary but irresisistable :)

Just found this....

Section 50 of the Police Reform Act 2002 empowers a constable to request the name and address of a person acting in an anti-social manner. Where that person fails to give their name and address or the name and address is false or inaccurate, he commits an offence.

Anti Social manner is described as, anything that has caused harassment, alarm or distress.

At least Police can the approach these people and question them...

This has been a long running thread and clearly has attracted some interest in many users of the forum. What I can say from the point of view of the city centre police team and ambassadors is that we have received very few complaints from the public of the type of harassment that some people are discussing on this thread. That is of course not to say it isn’t happening merely that if it is then it is not being reported to us.

Contrary to some opinions on the thread the Police do not have a separate investigation policy for people from different ethnic backgrounds. What is equally apparent is that neither the Police nor the Ambassadors can exclude a particular ethnic group from public spaces, such as the Peace Gardens, which are specifically there for groups of people to gather and enjoy.


The harassment and intimidation of anyone is not acceptable and the Safer City Centre Partnership that the Police enjoy with the Ambassadors/City Centre Management Team means that reports made to the Ambassadors will very quickly reach us. People can also make complaints directly to the police about such things. If someone is identified as acting in an intimidating or harassing manner we will take action to deal with the person responsible in an appropriate manner using the range of options we have available to us. This can range from offering advice to arrest and charge proceedings but will depend upon the specific incident.

I hope this helps to clarify our position and reassure people that we will take action where possible when complaints of harassment/intimidation are received about a particular individual but we have no power to exclude particular groups of people from the Peace Gardens merely because of the inappropriate behaviour of one or two individuals.

Insp Neil Mutch, Sheffield Safer City Centre Partner Partnership - SNA

What I can say from the point of view of the city centre police team and ambassadors is that we have received very few complaints from the public of the type of harassment that some people are discussing on this thread.

Contrary to some opinions on the thread the Police do not have a separate investigation policy for people from different ethnic backgrounds. What is equally apparent is that neither the Police nor the Ambassadors can exclude a particular ethnic group from public spaces, such as the Peace Gardens, which are specifically there for groups of people to gather and enjoy.


...nuff said :)

This has been a long running thread and clearly has attracted some interest in many users of the forum. What I can say from the point of view of the city centre police team and ambassadors is that we have received very few complaints from the public of the type of harassment that some people are discussing on this thread. That is of course not to say it isn’t happening merely that if it is then it is not being reported to us.

Contrary to some opinions on the thread the Police do not have a separate investigation policy for people from different ethnic backgrounds. What is equally apparent is that neither the Police nor the Ambassadors can exclude a particular ethnic group from public spaces, such as the Peace Gardens, which are specifically there for groups of people to gather and enjoy.


The harassment and intimidation of anyone is not acceptable and the Safer City Centre Partnership that the Police enjoy with the Ambassadors/City Centre Management Team means that reports made to the Ambassadors will very quickly reach us. People can also make complaints directly to the police about such things. If someone is identified as acting in an intimidating or harassing manner we will take action to deal with the person responsible in an appropriate manner using the range of options we have available to us. This can range from offering advice to arrest and charge proceedings but will depend upon the specific incident.

I hope this helps to clarify our position and reassure people that we will take action where possible when complaints of harassment/intimidation are received about a particular individual but we have no power to exclude particular groups of people from the Peace Gardens merely because of the inappropriate behaviour of one or two individuals.

Insp Neil Mutch, Sheffield Safer City Centre Partner Partnership - SNA

I copied this from the Community Safety Department page on the South Yorkshire Police website...

"Community Safety is defined as "all activity, which seeks to promote harmony within our communities allowing people to live without fear or unlawful disruption". It is easy to apply this definition to the many varied activities SYP and its staff engage in, not to mention a host of other organisations who often join us in collective effort.

The CSD has a role to play in helping the organisation define its community safety activity beyond the purely enforcement, or incident management agenda. Currently the department is working towards a more proactive approach, which has at its heart activity that is PROMOTIONAL, ADVISORY and SUPPORTIVE."

I underlined the bit about a proactive approach because your answer above basically says that you can't do anything without formal complaints. A proactive response would be to acknowledge the informal complains and examples given on this forum and to go and do something about it.

How about putting some plain clothed officers into the Peace Gardens to observe and gather evidence? They can then issue warnings, take names and address and take stronger action against those who continue to harrass.

You don't need to "exclude a particular ethnic group from public spaces", you just need to get off your backsides and do something PROACTIVE to identify the offenders.

How about putting some plain clothed officers into the Peace Gardens to observe and gather evidence? They can then issue warnings, take names and address and take stronger action against those who continue to harrass.

You don't need to "exclude a particular ethnic group from public spaces", you just need to get off your backsides and do something PROACTIVE to identify the offenders.

There have been no reported crimes or even any complaints and therefore there are no offenders to identify.

That Makes everything hunky dorey then does it!!!

That Makes everything hunky dorey then does it!!!

well it means that if there is no offence there is no "offender".

People Know what happens at the peace gardens, me , you the city centre embasadors even the police!

How about putting some plain clothed officers into the Peace Gardens to observe and gather evidence? They can then issue warnings, take names and address and take stronger action against those who continue to harrass.

You don't need to "exclude a particular ethnic group from public spaces", you just need to get off your backsides and do something PROACTIVE to identify the offenders.

So basically you want the police to use their limited resources and squander their incredible tight budget my using undercover cops to stake out the peace gardens, even though there have been hardly any official complaints (apart from some heated exchanges on this forum).

Maybe in an ideal world they could, but I would sooner have them use their time dealing with people who do need immediate help or cases that will result in successful arrests, rather than an expensive undercover sting operation that will costs tons in the hope they can see some men attempt to pull some women.

the post was originally 2 years ago but its still happening, so does that say its getting better or worse?

you mean the harrassment or your prejudice?

So basically you want the police to use their limited resources and squander their incredible tight budget my using undercover cops to stake out the peace gardens, even though there have been hardly any official complaints (apart from some heated exchanges on this forum).

Maybe in an ideal world they could, but I would sooner have them use their time dealing with people who do need immediate help or cases that will result in successful arrests, rather than an expensive undercover sting operation that will costs tons in the hope they can see some men attempt to pull some women.

So your saying these people preying on young girls or VERY young girls as previously posted isn't a priority????

you mean the harrassment or your prejudice?

Im not biting anymore? You know what happens and your virtually saying because people dont speak up they can't do anything about it!

Course they can! Police on the beat can observe whats going on without any complaints. It doesnt take a rocket scientist too know older guys preying on VERY young girls is wrong!

So basically you want the police to use their limited resources and squander their incredible tight budget my using undercover cops to stake out the peace gardens, even though there have been hardly any official complaints (apart from some heated exchanges on this forum).


Precisely. BTW I think an undercover officer in every corner shop to catch kids nicking sweets would also be a boon to crime fighting.

The place is swarming with security guards and no doubt covered by CCTV already.

Harrassment is not on of course, but I have a feeling this is a non story whcih suits certain shades of right wing loony if Johnny Foreigner can be portrayed as sexually threatening to our daughters...it's been going on for years.

Precisely. BTW I think an undercover officer in every corner shop to catch kids nicking sweets would also be a boon to crime fighting.

The place is swarming with security guards and no doubt covered by CCTV already.

Harrassment is not on of course, but I have a feeling this is a non story whcih suits certain shades of right wing loony if Johnny Foreigner can be portrayed as sexually threatening to our daughters...it's been going on for years.

Girls being preyed on and kids nicking sweets aint in the same boat luv! It could be any race or people from different cultures from english to foreingers its just not on, simple as that! its not ironic that its a certain group is it!!!! suggestions have been made saying that it maybe because they want a reason to stay in this country! ( i didn't say that i quoted it)

Like someone said different cultures maybe make them more confident and be able to just walk upto a woman or girl!

Thats why they need to learn the culture they live in today.............?

Thats one of the biggest problems with society nowdays. We are expect to adapt to other cultures coming in to the UK, but when the shoes on the other foot then its a completly different story!

And this means we get taken for complete walk overs!

So your saying these people preying on young girls or VERY young girls as previously posted isn't a priority????

I personally believe in todays current climate, parents are ever more protective of their kids than ever before. If young girls were being blatantly approached in the way you have suggested, the police would have received so many complaints they would be forced to act. They haven't acted because they haven't received any serious complaints because it simply isn't occuring in the way you are suggesting.

I personally believe in todays current climate, parents are ever more protective of their kids than ever before. If young girls were being blatantly approached in the way you have suggested, the police would have received so many complaints they would be forced to act. They haven't acted because they haven't received any serious complaints because it simply isn't occuring in the way you are suggesting.

Girls at a young age make things up by saying to there parents " im going town shopping or im going to my mates, cinema etc"

There not exactly going to say im popping down to the peace gardens for the day is that ok? Because parents will automatically say no chance or becareful!

So to the comment saying parents are at fault, think you need to have a re-think!

Girls at a young age make things up by saying to there parents " im going town shopping or im going to my mates, cinema etc"

There not exactly going to say im popping down to the peace gardens for the day is that ok? Because parents will automatically say no chance or becareful!

So to the comment saying parents are at fault, think you need to have a re-think!

Yesterday I was at the peace gardens. I was eating my lunch when I noticed a girl (aged around eight) walking on her own. For one second I was concerned that she may have lost of parents but when I looked to her left, I saw her parents about 8 metres away who were keeping a close eye on her.

What I though was very intersting was how many other people picked up on the fact the girl was on her own and they all quickly scanned for her parents. One women even came up to ask if she was lost (that is when her parents came up and said everything was fine).

My point is that is if as you say 'very young children' were being approached, the people of sheffield would not stand for it and they would act and if need be, they would report the matter themselves. Just look at this thread, look at how many people are wanting to get these 'cheesy people' locked up.

Trust me, these guys, even though extremely forward and quite irritating, are not prowling around like predators looking for young girls to join their prostitution racket they all apparently run!

Girls being preyed on and kids nicking sweets aint in the same boat luv! It could be any race or people from different cultures from english to foreingers its just not on, simple as that! its not ironic that its a certain group is it!!!! suggestions have been made saying that it maybe because they want a reason to stay in this country! ( i didn't say that i quoted it)

Like someone said different cultures maybe make them more confident and be able to just walk upto a woman or girl!

Thats why they need to learn the culture they live in today.............?

Thats one of the biggest problems with society nowdays. We are expect to adapt to other cultures coming in to the UK, but when the shoes on the other foot then its a completly different story!

And this means we get taken for complete walk overs!

..as I said previously..young English men/teenagers don't chase proposition girls do they??

Boys chase girls, girls chase boys whatever culture you come from, it's B I O L O G Y! When it steps over into harrassment then that's a different story and rest assured most police officers are only too happy to go and arrest sex pests, but this is not a problem exclusive to immigrant communities.

By the way how have you been expected to adapt to other cultures coming into the UK? Somehow I can't see you waiting at the airport to wash the feet of arriving Bengalis!

There have been no reported crimes or even any complaints and therefore there are no offenders to identify.


Eureka..well said! :)

Boys chase girls, girls chase boys whatever culture you come from, it's B I O L O G Y! When it steps over into harrassment then that's a different story and rest assured most police officers are only too happy to go and arrest sex pests, but this is not a problem exclusive to immigrant communities.

I think you need to re-read the original post:

Today, and not for the first time, I was approached by a man whilst sat in the Peace Gardens with my kids. Now I'm not too hot on individuals nationalities but he was dark haired and olive skinned. (Maybe Turkish, Arabian, Iranian etc) These males seems to hang around in groups, usually around the Peace Gardens or on Fargate. They're smartly dressed and polite but extremely annoying.

The first guy kept smiling at me. I avoided his gaze and kept an eye on the kids. Eventually, he came over and asked how I was and could he have my phone number. I said a polite no and he left. He continued to look over at me, as did his group of friends.

About 10 minutes later, one of his friends re-appeared with a box of ice lollies and shouted my son over to him. He tried to give him a lolly to which I said No. He then came over and gav ethe lollie sto my son so we stood up to leave and left them on the wall. We left the Peace Gardens and set off walking to the Moor. The man with the lollies then followed us, walking right next to us. I ignored him but he came up and asked my son what his name was. I told him to ignore him and keep walking. He then asked if I had a name and could he have my number. Again I said a polite no and carried on walking. Eventually he gave up and left us alone.

I think you need to re-read the original post:

Today, and not for the first time, I was approached by a man whilst sat in the Peace Gardens with my kids. Now I'm not too hot on individuals nationalities but he was dark haired and olive skinned. (Maybe Turkish, Arabian, Iranian etc) These males seems to hang around in groups, usually around the Peace Gardens or on Fargate. They're smartly dressed and polite but extremely annoying.

The first guy kept smiling at me. I avoided his gaze and kept an eye on the kids. Eventually, he came over and asked how I was and could he have my phone number. I said a polite no and he left. He continued to look over at me, as did his group of friends.

About 10 minutes later, one of his friends re-appeared with a box of ice lollies and shouted my son over to him. He tried to give him a lolly to which I said No. He then came over and gav ethe lollie sto my son so we stood up to leave and left them on the wall. We left the Peace Gardens and set off walking to the Moor. The man with the lollies then followed us, walking right next to us. I ignored him but he came up and asked my son what his name was. I told him to ignore him and keep walking. He then asked if I had a name and could he have my number. Again I said a polite no and carried on walking. Eventually he gave up and left us alone.

.......why?

I really hope people won't hijack this and turn it into a massive racist thread as that is NOT what this is about. [/end rant}

Today, and not for the first time, I was approached by a man whilst sat in the Peace Gardens with my kids. Now I'm not too hot on individuals nationalities but he was dark haired and olive skinned. (Maybe Turkish, Arabian, Iranian etc) These males seems to hang around in groups, usually around the Peace Gardens or on Fargate. They're smartly dressed and polite but extremely annoying.

The first guy kept smiling at me. I avoided his gaze and kept an eye on the kids. Eventually, he came over and asked how I was and could he have my phone number. I said a polite no and he left. He continued to look over at me, as did his group of friends.

About 10 minutes later, one of his friends re-appeared with a box of ice lollies and shouted my son over to him. He tried to give him a lolly to which I said No. He then came over and gav ethe lollie sto my son so we stood up to leave and left them on the wall. We left the Peace Gardens and set off walking to the Moor. The man with the lollies then followed us, walking right next to us. I ignored him but he came up and asked my son what his name was. I told him to ignore him and keep walking. He then asked if I had a name and could he have my number. Again I said a polite no and carried on walking. Eventually he gave up and left us alone.

Now I am big enough and ugly enough to look after myself but what really bothers me is how they constantly try it on with young girls. My own daughter who is 15 has been approached numerous times, even when she is with me and sometimes by men who are clearly in their 30's or older.

A lot of these men are very smartly dressed, very polite and reasonably good looking. Young girl love the attention they get and seem to me to be easy targets for them. I really do worry as it seems to be happening all the time. I saw individual from the group who were chatting me up approach numerous young teenage girls whilst I was sat there. They don't seem to care how young they are.

Has anyone else noticed this happening or been hassled themselves?

I would say they were way out of order and you did everything right. Isn't it maddening there is never a police officer about when something like this happens. I hope you reported it to the police even if they didn't act on it. they might be interested to know its going on in our parks.

By the way how have you been expected to adapt to other cultures coming into the UK? Somehow I can't see you waiting at the airport to wash the feet of arriving Bengalis!

I can't speak for the other posters you've been interacting with, but I have on numerous occasions been expected to make allowances for people from foreign cultures who behave in a deeply sexist and harrassing manner, whereas the person concerned was not expected to make concessions likewise. The belief you seem to hold that relations between the sexes are the same the world over is a politically correct falsehood.

I do, however, support the complaint that the police/ambassadors/council can't be expected to *do something* unless people actually register their complaints to the correct authorities. There are too many people on SF who will complain at length about XYZ without doing anything about it.

I can't speak for the other posters you've been interacting with, but I have on numerous occasions been expected to make allowances for people from foreign cultures who behave in a deeply sexist and harrassing manner, whereas the person concerned was not expected to make concessions likewise. The belief you seem to hold that relations between the sexes are the same the world over is a politically correct falsehood.



..and most people from foreign cultures make allowances for some members of the indigenous population and their prejudices. Where exactly did I say that relations between the sexes is the same the world over? What I said was that on a superficial level, the mating game can be quite a vulgar process. What I was not condoning was the harrassment of anyone.

Needless to say, the people best qualified to comment, the police, have received relatively few complaints regarding this matter and I think that demonstrates the level of seriousness with which is is viewed by the 'victims'.

There have been no reported crimes or even any complaints and therefore there are no offenders to identify.

If you read through the thread you will find numerous people reporting cases of harrassment. Just because people don't bother to officially report crimes to the police (the subject for another topic perhaps?) doesn't mean they haven't been the victim of a crime or that there was an offender.

Most estimates suggest tht 80-90% of rapes go unreported but, according to your logic, this is in fact a lie. If it wasn't officially reported then it never happened and there are no offenders going unpunished. Is that right? Is that what you believe? :suspect:

Needless to say, the people best qualified to comment, the police, have received relatively few complaints regarding this matter and I think that demonstrates the level of seriousness with which is is viewed by the 'victims'.

Or perhaps people don't bother reporting crimes because they don't think anything will be done about it (which, in the vast majority of cases, is true)?

If you read through the thread you will find numerous people reporting cases of harrassment. Just because people don't bother to officially report crimes to the police (the subject for another topic perhaps?) doesn't mean they haven't been the victim of a crime or that there was an offender.

Most estimates suggest tht 80-90% of rapes go unreported but, according to your logic, this is in fact a lie. If it wasn't officially reported then it never happened and there are no offenders going unpunished. Is that right? Is that what you believe? :suspect:

..rapes are horrendous crimes and the reasons they might go unreported are numerous. I'd guess generally that victims of rape believe that the procedures involved in making a complaint would exacerbate their anxiety.

I'm sure though if teenage girls were constantly being harrassed by groups of men in a public place that making a complaint wouldn't be too difficult. Although there may be unreported cases of harrassment, but it isn't quite the epidemic that many would have us believe. The police and to a larger degree the ambassadors are highly visible in the city centre, not to mention cctv, so making a complaint could easily be justified if appropriate.

So basically you want the police to use their limited resources and squander their incredible tight budget my using undercover cops to stake out the peace gardens, even though there have been hardly any official complaints (apart from some heated exchanges on this forum).

Maybe in an ideal world they could, but I would sooner have them use their time dealing with people who do need immediate help or cases that will result in successful arrests, rather than an expensive undercover sting operation that will costs tons in the hope they can see some men attempt to pull some women.

You belittle the offence. Women on here have said they felt scared and threatened by the behaviour and that is wrong and should be dealt with.

Why should it "cost tons"? I'm not talking about bringing in MI5 with the latest state of the art undercover spy equipment. How about a copper spending a day or two using a camcorder to collect video evidence, cautioning suspects and making notes? Then follow up the operation on random dates but this time nicking anyone previously cautioned.

It is what is known as proactive policing and can actually save money by preventing crimes in the first place... not to mention sparing would-be victims.

..rapes are horrendous crimes and the reasons they might go unreported are numerous. I'd guess generally that victims of rape believe that the procedures involved in making a complaint would exacerbate their anxiety.

I'm sure though if teenage girls were constantly being harrassed by groups of men in a public place that making a complaint wouldn't be too difficult. Although there may be unreported cases of harrassment, but it isn't quite the epidemic that many would have us believe. The police and to a larger degree the ambassadors are highly visible in the city centre, not to mention cctv, so making a complaint could easily be justified if appropriate.

Most people have little faith in the police or our justice system and don't believe there is any point report crimes. If you don't believe any good will come of it then why bother?

Doesn't mean this sort of harrassment isn't going on though does it?

You belittle the offence. Women on here have said they felt scared and threatened by the behaviour and that is wrong and should be dealt with.



..if anyone feels sufficiently threatened by the behaviour then they should make a complaint to the police..it can then be dealt with properly. Without a complaint it's all conjecture and innuendo.

i've been told today that a lot of the blokes who hang around the peace gardens are asylum seekers. who are desperate to get of with a british woman get married and more chance of getting a passport.

..if anyone feels sufficiently threatened by the behaviour then they should make a complaint to the police..it can then be dealt with properly. Without a complaint it's all conjecture and innuendo.

The same sort of conjecture and innuendo we have when people claim 80-90% of rapes go unreported, or that most cases of racial abuse go unreported or talk of glass ceilings for women in the workplace etc, etc? Funny how you don't get on your high horse about claims like that. :suspect:

You are just shoving your head up your own backside because it is immigrants that are being complained about - it offends your politically correct sensitivities. However, the fact is that these men come from a different culture and they are behaving in a way that is not only at odds with how people in this culture behave, but also threatening and harrassing... a crime in this country whether it is reported or not.

This is one of the difficulties with a multi-cultural society. Maybe these differences can be overcome and maybe they can't. However, pretending problems don't exist, and therefore doing nothing about them, is a guaranteed way for any hope of a peaceful, multi-cultural society to quickly disappear.

i've been told today that a lot of the blokes who hang around the peace gardens are asylum seekers. who are desperate to get of with a british woman get married and more chance of getting a passport.


...the zenith of scaremongering. Who told you that? It must be someone extremely well informed. It's stories like this that have the native population jumping up and down with paranoia. I've seen loads of groups hanging out around the peace gardens, some obviously from new immigrant groups, homeless people, kids on skateboards, political protestors, wedding parties, happy people, sad people..every reflection on modern society.

It's a public space where people go to hang out and dare I say it meet members of the opposite sex. So are we now saying it should be a crime that an asylum seeker has met a British woman and somehow brain washed her into marryiing him? Could it even be the case that somewhere out there are British women that have actually married an asylum seeker and lived happy ever after..shock horror!!

i've been told today that a lot of the blokes who hang around the peace gardens are asylum seekers. who are desperate to get of with a british woman get married and more chance of getting a passport.

After what I saw on last night's Newsnight, this does have some credibility:

Sham Marriages
Tonight, in an undercover investigation, we reveal how the expansion of the European Union is providing new opportunities for those looking for a way to gain British residency. We show how Polish women - who now have the right to live and work here - are being approached and offered thousands of pounds to marry men who want to settle in the UK.

I believe you can watch it online.

...the zenith of scaremongering. Who told you that? It must be someone extremely well informed. It's stories like this that have the native population jumping up and down with paranoia. I've seen loads of groups hanging out around the peace gardens, some obviously from new immigrant groups, homeless people, kids on skateboards, political protestors, wedding parties, happy people, sad people..every reflection on modern society.

It's a public space where people go to hang out and dare I say it meet members of the opposite sex. So are we now saying it should be a crime that an asylum seeker has met a British woman and somehow brain washed her into marryiing him? Could it even be the case that somewhere out there are British women that have actually married an asylum seeker and lived happy ever after..shock horror!!

get of your high horse pal.

it was actually the sister of a woman who married an iranian asylum seeker.
when they met he could'nt do enough for her. was always seen out with her kissing and cuddling, carrying her shopping and being a proper gentleman. got married, got passport now does'nt want to know her and she wants a divorce after 12 months. so come on then what do you make of that. and don't say it was a breakdown in marriage he changed over night.
oh and they met top of fargate when
she was out shopping.

get of your high horse pal.

it was actually the sister of a woman who married an iranian asylum seeker.
when they met he could'nt do enough for her. was always seen out with her kissing and cuddling, carrying her shopping and being a proper gentleman. got married, got passport now does'nt want to know her and she wants a divorce after 12 months. so come on then what do you make of that. and don't say it was a breakdown in marriage he changed over night.
oh and they met top of fargate when
she was out shopping.


High horse? You're the one making grand statements about a group of people based on the anecdotal evidence of er..one! I guess you'd hardly find the sister of someone who was going through a divorce saying complimentary things about the ex hubby. Lots of folks get married and one or other partner changes, the general divorce statistics bear testimony to that.

I'm not saying that there aren't or haven't been immigrants who've come to this country and married locals for less than honest reasons, but a few blokes sweet talking girls in the Peace Gardens doesn't mean they're dragging women off to the Town Hall marriage altar!

Does that mean there are sweeping social conclusions to be made about the thousands of couples that first met on Coles Corner??

It's a public space where people go to hang out and dare I say it meet members of the opposite sex.

And like I said, you need to re-read the first post - which is what this entire thread is supposed to be about. Some people just go to the Peace Gardens to enjoy the sunshine in a quiet spot of the city. To be propositioned and have strangers offer sweets to your children is simply not acceptable.

And like I said, you need to re-read the first post - which is what this entire thread is supposed to be about. Some people just go to the Peace Gardens to enjoy the sunshine in a quiet spot of the city. To be propositioned and have strangers offer sweets to your children is simply not acceptable.


...and if you re read my posts you will see that I'm full of sympathy for the OP.

This thread is over 2 years old and evolved over time, my later references are based on recent posts, including the one from South Yorkshire Police (did you see it?).

By the way, when I was a child I was regularly offered sweets by strangers or have a few coppers pressed into my hand when shopping down the Castle Market with my mum..nobody perceived any sinister motive and there may well have been, who knows? Should we make it illegal to offer children sweets who are accompanied by an adult?

I'm not condoning harrassment of anyone, but demonising people who haven't committed any offence or had complaints made against them formally is another thing.

enjoy the sunshine in a quiet spot of the city.

...since when has the Peace Gardens been a quiet spot of the city? There are better places to go for peaceful relaxation.

High horse? You're the one making grand statements about a group of people based on the anecdotal evidence of er..one! I guess you'd hardly find the sister of someone who was going through a divorce saying complimentary things about the ex hubby. Lots of folks get married and one or other partner changes, the general divorce statistics bear testimony

did'nt say anything about going through a divorce. i said she wanted one. he does'nt and as a lesson to her bringing it up he poured paint stripper over her car and told her he was only after a passport just like all his friends. can't say anymore on here as the police are involved.

you believe what you want to mate.
but as the undercover story on news night shown last night it is big business.

you believe what you want to mate.
but as the undercover story on news night shown last night it is big business.

...the OP was talking about men propositioning her and her children in the Peace Gardens, I don't know what their motives might or might not have been, but i don't believe marrying them so they could stay in the country was on the agenda..although of course I don't have any evidence one way or another.

From what you say, it's very sad what's happening to your friend's sister, but the link between that and the men in the Peace Gardens I'm afraid I don't see, other than the fact they're all foreigners.

I'm not saying that there aren't or haven't been immigrants who've come to this country and married locals for less than honest reasons, but a few blokes sweet talking girls in the Peace Gardens doesn't mean they're dragging women off to the Town Hall marriage altar!



..by the way, I never said this problem never existed (see above in reply to your earlier post), I'm sure foreigners marrying uk citizens in order to stay here is big business, but that isn't what this thread is about is it?