Has anybody else heard that The White Horse [t'poppo] is closing down.I have heard that it is going to be demolished and flats built in its place!
Soon there will be no pubs left with character just faceless places or real ale pubs for half-drinkers.
The great pity was the beer orders in the 90's that shut the breweries down in sheffield and stopped the pubs being subsidised.Well done CAMRA !!!!:(

You blaming CAMRA for what exactly, drinking real ale does not mean you drink half pints. And have you like noticed the millions of other pubs about, obviously the landlord was made an off her he couldent refuse, for whatever reason. The closing of the major brewerys was a great shame, but why not support the few that are left? There are planty of pubs with a good atmosphere about. CAMRA if anything are campaiging for these old pubs to be kept open, so how can you blame them?

Joel

Fat Cat :D

Whatta Pub :D

Originally posted by Nathen
Fat Cat :D

Whatta Pub :D

Ditto, and the Kelham Island Tavern, top pubs.

Joel

Hmmmm...do any of you use Linux.
Linux, the rail network, an obsession with France, a love of Berghuas mini backpacks and a hatred for Bill Gates all seem to fit nicely with the real alers profile.
As does sleeping in hostels...............:suspect:

Is that cos they're all ponces?

Originally posted by AJ sheffield
Hmmmm...do any of you use Linux.
Linux, the rail network, an obsession with France, a love of Berghuas mini backpacks and a hatred for Bill Gates all seem to fit nicely with the real alers profile.
As does sleeping in hostels...............:suspect:

maybe they need one of these
http://www.mach3turbo.com/uk/home_f.asp

:D :D :D

Originally posted by Joelc
Ditto, and the Kelham Island Tavern, top pubs.

Joel

Kelham Island Tavern?

They don't even have sprinklers on the hand pumps - so they take about six pulls to get a head of suds that's gone after a couple of sups. Ditto in Cask & Cutler. Real Ale.......don't make me laugh - I've had better home brew.

Originally posted by AJ sheffield
Hmmmm...do any of you use Linux.
Linux, the rail network, an obsession with France, a love of Berghuas mini backpacks and a hatred for Bill Gates all seem to fit nicely with the real alers profile.
As does sleeping in hostels...............:suspect:

Linux (Well BSD) Yep,
Rail network - Well if you count my hared for them nevering being on time/getting stuck in the middle of nowhere
France - I hate the garlic eating onion selling bar stewards
I dont possess a berghouse mini backpack, my rucksack is quite large in size
and i've never slept in a hostel, unless you count travel lodges whn i'm in london

and dunno which KIT you've been going to but the beer there has always been served as it should. i've never ended up with a jar od suds...

Joel

To me, real beer served properly has a tight creamy head (only possible if sparkler is used) which lasts all the way down the pint. You should be able to see on the inside of your glass how many sups you've had to down your pint.

Sorry, but you don't get that at the KIT (or Cask & Cutler or Hillsborough Hotel) from recent visits.

Some beers are brewed to be served with a sparkler, some aren't.

Many northern Bitters are best with a sparkler on, for reasons of both presentation and flavour.

However some southern ales with a more subtle, balanced flavour, can be ruined with the use of a sparkler.

A good landlord knows to serve the beer as the brewer intended - although should also accept customer preference and add/remove sparkler if requested (although I do worry about hygiene with this one).

I do not believe the beer orders caused brewery or pub closures, although at the time it did increase consumer choice, allowed smaller independent breweries to trade.

The reason the Beer Orders was introduced is big national breweries owned most of the pubs, and would only allow their own beer to be sold in them, sometimes at inflated prices. The Beer Orders allowed licencees a guest beer right.

The reasons Stones and Whitbread breweries closed in Sheffield is due to them being owned by a bigger group - Stones is now owned by Coors and Whitbread is owned by Interbev - both overseas based international corporations better known for lager brewed under licence - who closed the Sheffield breweries down because it was cheaper to brew every brand in one big beer factory elsewhere.

In the case of Wards it was Vaux Group who owned them pulling out of the brewing business to concentrate on hotels and leisure, and selling the site for re-development and cashing in on the booming property market.

So as you can see, Sheffield's brewing industry was destroyed by big corporate vultures that CAMRA oppose, not guest beer policy!

Of course, the Beer Orders have more recently been made irrelevant, due to the birth of the big pubco.....

Incidentally I am happy to use Microsoft products, have no strong opinion of France and do not often wear backpacks.

I will admit to a bit of an interest in the rail network, but I am paid to as I work for a train company....

However I do enjoy proper beer - Smoothflow bitter makes me ill (all that gas and chemicals probably) and most lager in the UK is of a mediocre standard.

It seems people are getting away from the issue....where is The White Hart that's closing...there's more than 1....

Originally posted by Andy C
Some beers are brewed to be served with a sparkler, some aren't.

Many northern Bitters are best with a sparkler on, for reasons of both presentation and flavour.

A good landlord knows to serve the beer as the brewer intended - although should also accept customer preference and add/remove sparkler if requested (although I do worry about hygiene with this one).



Last visit to KIT (and others) most beers were northern. When asked for sparkler all I got from landlords were shrugs and "regulars are happy with this etc".

Some people will put up with 'owt - "real ale" is getting to be a fetish - let's try and get it back in to locals rather than concentrate on the "real ale ghetto" within half a mile of the Fat Cat.