Hot on the heels of 'What is Sheffields BEST area?' comes the sequel, 'What is Sheffields WORST area?'. Vote now! 8)

I think you need a few more candidates such as Dore, Fulwood, Ecclesall, Totley. These areas always strike me as soul-less with a large proportion of their population consisting of people who look down on other areas of the city.

There is a good case for transferring these areas out of Sheffield.

IMHO, that is.

No one looking down on anyone, and if you think something is worse than that on the list vote for other. For some reason the polls won't have more than 6 options. If you look in the Moving to Sheffield forum, people are always asking whats the best place to move to and which areas are to be avoided. I intend to post the results on to that page when enough people have voted so people thinking of moving to the area have some idea.

You are quite right maxt.

Even If I won the lottery I wouldn't want to live Dore and Fullwood etc....

There are too many tupney (sp) bit millionaires as my dear old nan would say.

Give me a working class area everytime.

Originally posted by "steelblade"

You are quite right maxt.

Even If I won the lottery I wouldn't want to live Dore and Fullwood etc....

There are too many tupney (sp) bit millionaires as my dear old nan would say.

Give me a working class area everytime.
I wouldn't live in Dore/Fullwood if I won the lottery either.
I'd be in the States - Canary Islands - New Zealand - Australia or somewhere nice n hot! :P

My vote has to go to Arbourthorne. I once got the wrong tram and got off at arbourthorne and it was awful. I was stuck opposite a big, ugly block of flats waiting for the correct tram and it was just so depressingly run down in every direction i looked.

Ooo dear, now that is a bad area to get lost in!

The worst area is the one which t020 lives in!

How many people have put Manor down cos they've heard it's the 'worst estate in Britain'? That's not on. :lol:
You're far more likely to have a dangerous encounter in Burngreave or Pitsmoor...
I've sampled the delights of living in all of these places. Actually, during my 'desperate domiciles' stage, I preferred Manor to the others. :P

Originally posted by "alchresearch"

The worst area is the one which t020 lives in!

oh the hilarity, very witty, and it pleases me almost as much as knowing that you live 30 miles across the pennines from me and not in Sheffield anymore. :lol:

hmmph

Originally posted by "alchresearch"

The worst area is the one which t020 lives in!

Ho ho ho. Get real though. If i had few hundred thousand quid to spend on a house theres absolutely NO WAY id go live in somewhere like the manor just cos its got a 'good sense of community' and all the people are scrubbers so they dont 'look down on anyone' (cos theres no-one lower TO look down on!) no, they just bloody graffiti everywhere and mug people instead. Snobs or yobs. hmmmm tough decision.

Originally posted by "steelblade"

You are quite right maxt.

Even If I won the lottery I wouldn't want to live Dore and Fullwood etc....

There are too many tupney (sp) bit millionaires as my dear old nan would say.

Give me a working class area everytime.

Hmmm. Leafy affluent suburbs Vs run down council estates.
Don't give me a working class area anytime.

Originally posted by "t020"

Don't give me a working class area anytime.

Are you a troll, or just a snob?

Originally posted by "Mike"

Don't give me a working class area anytime.

Are you a troll, or just a snob?

a what now? i was flipping around what steelblade said. besides, why don't you quote some of the stuff others have said that are much more 'snobby' than that. oh yeah, forgot, u like to pick on stuff i say more.

Originally posted by "t020"

why don't you quote some of the stuff others have said that are much more 'snobby' than that
Such as?

Originally posted by "t020"

oh yeah, forgot, u like to pick on stuff i say more.
Now now, don't get paranoid :D

Originally posted by "kittykat"


If i had few hundred thousand quid to spend on a house theres absolutely NO WAY id go live in somewhere like the manor just cos its got a 'good sense of community' and all the people are scrubbers so they dont 'look down on anyone' (cos theres no-one lower TO look down on!) no, they just bloody graffiti everywhere and mug people instead. Snobs or yobs. hmmmm tough decision.

such as that, what r u blind? as much as i agree with what she's saying

Well, I didn't see that but now that I have (thankyou) then I would ask her the same question.

Sorry - edited to remove the rather facetious comment

Originally posted by "maxt"

I think you need a few more candidates such as Dore, Fulwood, Ecclesall, Totley. These areas always strike me as soul-less with a large proportion of their population consisting of people who look down on other areas of the city.

There is a good case for transferring these areas out of Sheffield.

IMHO, that is.


I had to reply to this one, but firstly I voted other as I think the Wybourn is the worst area.

Maxt I resemble your remarks :D

Firstly I live in one of the areas you class as soulless, I think you are generalising here a bit.
I was born in a council house, I have lived in some of the areas quoted as the worst areas in Sheffield. Up until recently my mum lived on the Wybourn and my Dad still lives at Basegreen.
Just because I have done OK and chosen to live in a decent area doesn't make me souless.

I know you said a large proportion of the population, but I think its more like a small proportion who may look down on those who are not so fortunate.

mikey :D :D

Mikey, that's a problem with discussion forums, you are bound to upset someone. I try very hard, well a bit, not to upset too many people.

It's not the people I find soul-less, it's the area. I was brought up in leafy suburbdom, lived in less salubrious areas and now live in Walkley, albeit in a detached house. My point being that I have lived in most types of area and still prefer where I am now.

I also think that using 'best' & 'worst' to describe areas is a bit elitist. If you could pose the question: 'given your current financial situation in which area would you prefer to live' I'm sure that you would recieve a more balanced view.

Or maybe I'm talking b*****ks, it has been known.

PS Did you enjoy the fencing?

I know its always difficult to not upset someone, I see what you mean about soulless, but I still disagree, Dore has one of the best community spirits of any area I have lived in, culminating in the Dore Festival week.
Where there are plays, talks, music concerts, a full day Gala and a finale of pop bands at the pubs on the Sat night.

PS Fencing was good, my coordination was not as good as I thought, it was more difficult than I imagined, but it was good.


PPS
Anyone fancy taking up Fencing, give Maxt a shout as he runs a very friendly club.
How's that for a plug

Originally posted by "kittykat"

The worst area is the one which t020 lives in!

Ho ho ho. Get real though. If i had few hundred thousand quid to spend on a house theres absolutely NO WAY id go live in somewhere like the manor just cos its got a 'good sense of community' and all the people are scrubbers so they dont 'look down on anyone' (cos theres no-one lower TO look down on!) no, they just bloody graffiti everywhere and mug people instead. Snobs or yobs. hmmmm tough decision.

That isn't the question, kiddo. The question was about the worst estate, not which ones you don't want to live on. :roll:
It also didn't require juvenile insults about communities who aren't as well off as you presumably are.
Maybe learn to be a little more generous, eh? Even just using the word 'some' rather than 'all' would have been far less nasty.

Yes of COURSE im well off. I was brought up in one of rotherhams many fine mansions and attended one of its famous private schools. I know nothing about what crap areas and the people who live there are like.
As for the question what is sheffield WORST area - i would presume the one you regard the worst would be the one youd want to live in least.

At the end of the day.. it's all personal preference. I personally wouldn't want to live anywhere other than where I live right now on 'The Manor'. (Where we're ALL so called YOBS!) Listen here you, don't tar us all with the same brush!! I don't give a damn where you live whether it be Ecclesall, Totley, Dore wherever. You all have the same MINORITY who deliberately go round causing trouble!! The MAJORITY of people around here are decent people so please don't go calling us all for the stupidity of just a few. It's not fair.
Chloé

Nice to see Longley did,nt get into the worse areas bit, cause its a nice spot were i live.
However anyone who lives in a council area live there because we have no choice.
If finances were higher then we would all move to a nicer area, deep down i know it and you know it.
You don,t live on the Manor or Pitsmoor if your earning 100k a year because you can afford better, although i doubt that any council area has a resident earning anywhere near that amount so we have to live somewhere and thats a council area like it or not.
Given the choice i would not move to Dore or any other Hallam areas because if i earned big money or won the lottery the country side is were i would head for.
meanwhile i earn less than a quarter of that so i will stay in my private house on a council estate until my lottery numbers come up.

Hi everyone,

just felt I had to throw something into this debate, as it apears to be getting a little heated, it's obviously a subject thats close to peoples hearts.

I lived on Lowedges for a while, then recently moved up the road to Bradway and I couldn't beleive how friendlier people were. It's like a small village, everybody says hello to each other when passing in the street which is something I wouldn't have dreamed of on Lowedges.

I would have to completely disagree that these areas are soleless, having not lived on any of the estates mentioned I can't really comment, but with out question Bradway has a much bigger community spirit than Lowedges/Batemoor where I lived previously - plus I feel safe going out after dark too!

I had a pub in Sharrow and in the 18 months I lived there I experienced five broken windows, an arson attack, a rape in the car park, I was personally assaulted, several thefts from the premises, my car scratched, another car I had was broken into and constantly had smashed windows and it was an uphill fight to keep drugs off the premises.

I know that pubs attract a certain amount of trouble from time to time but this was continual. We even had a police raid once with a full SWAT team searching for drugs. Thankfully there weren't any there.

I think Sharrow is the worst part of Sheffield.

Forgot to mention that Sharrow has the highest number of burglaries in Sheffield and after the Manor has one of the highest unemployment rates.

Originally posted by "Classic Rock"

I had a pub in Sharrow and in the 18 months I lived there I experienced five broken windows, an arson attack, a rape in the car park, I was personally assaulted, several thefts from the premises, my car scratched, another car I had was broken into and constantly had smashed windows and it was an uphill fight to keep drugs off the premises.

I know that pubs attract a certain amount of trouble from time to time but this was continual. We even had a police raid once with a full SWAT team searching for drugs. Thankfully there weren't any there.

I think Sharrow is the worst part of Sheffield.

Forgot to mention that Sharrow has the highest number of burglaries in Sheffield and after the Manor has one of the highest unemployment rates.


agreed that sharrow is a very, very bad area.

What Pub was it?

Classic Rock :P :lol:

i lived in sharrow a little while and thought it was ok. leafy and central, i've lived in worse places. but i didn't feel safe there i guess, not walking home after dark. i imagine thats what you mean by worst area though, right? where you could feel safe and not get beaten up or harrassed, or where there isnt too much graffiti or drugs, or where there isnt gangs of lads hanging about because theyve nothing better to do.

i'd have said pitsmoor was the worst area because its kind of scary. i dont know about working class or snobby, i dont care about class difference, my only thought is how safe you are and whether theres good transport links to elsewhere, and whether or not you see greenery out the window. i wouldnt mind living in dore, though i'd have to buy a bike i suppose! it'd be a bit boring. i like to live close to the action.

its all subjective though isnt it, it depends on what you look for. t020, what do you look for in an area?

i tell you what i don't look for in an area...i moved to london for a little while but hated it so much i left after only 2 months. i hate arrogance, people just walking right across you or shoving onto a train before you, not letting you past, always in more of a hurry than you, motorists not stopping when youre waiting at a zebra crossing, that sort of thing. i lived in an unpretentious, working class area (canning town) and worked on oxford street, but people weren't friendly or considerate. nowheres perfect, i know, but i've never found such rudeness to quite such a level anywhere outside of london, and i've lived in a lot of places in the u.k.

sorry, i should've said hi, i'm new. hope it's ok me just posting like this.

Welcome to the forum dead_poet, happy posting :)

thanks ;)

I used to work in Fir Vale (think I'm right to say that's roughly the same area as Pitsmoor?) opposite the new Fir Vale School. I'm proud of the people I worked for that they put their faith into an area that suffers a poor reputation (they only moved there 2 1/2 years ago). I agree that I wouldn't have liked to have wandered round the area late at night, though on the occasions I worked late (1am a few times and once to 5am) I wouldn't say I felt particularly unsafe locking up and leaving. Don't know how different I'd feel working further from the main road though.

Something else - stray off the main road (Barnsley Road?) a bit and you're often into some very attractive housing. In terms of their material qualities a lot of these areas are appealling. They just need managing and maintaining better but until the social problems in these areas are sorted (and in all cases it is a minority causing the majority of the trouble) this is unlikely to have the desired effect (ie., it'll just give the troublemakers newer buildings to destroy).

At least Pitsmoor is populated. Far scarier in my mind is the estate on the red light district side of Netherthorpe Road. The area seems to be practically deserted - many of the ground floor flats boarded up and others seemingly lacking curtains and furniture (and occupants?). Does the council have something in mind for these? Despite it being a monumentally ugly area the feeling of unease you get when walking through there would be mitigated a bit if there were more people there, but even during the day it seems to be only populated with prostitutes. It is unfortunate that the area is so neglected as the area on the other side of Netherthorpe Road feels safe and looks far more appealling.

Chris, I guess you mean the Upper Allen, Leicester Walk and Daisy Bank low rise flats. They are to be pulled down once everybody has been re-housed and replaced with housing similar to that on the other side of Netherthorpe Road. (The houses are to replaced not the people)

They have never been particulary attractive and I've often thought that architects should be required to live in their 'designs' before they are released to normal people.

Chris have you been to Pitsmoor lately.
Its like a ghost town no more than a dozen people in the whole area.
Its due for demolishion.

Has anyone else spotted the obvious deception brought about by transposing the syllables of Mordor into Dore Moor. I blame the council.

Originally posted by "maxt"

Chris, I guess you mean the Upper Allen, Leicester Walk and Daisy Bank low rise flats. They are to be pulled down once everybody has been re-housed and replaced with housing similar to that on the other side of Netherthorpe Road. (The houses are to replaced not the people)

I'm glad to see there's a plan for the area. I'll have to get myself into town and see what they're thinking...

Originally posted by "maxt"

They have never been particulary attractive and I've often thought that architects should be required to live in their 'designs' before they are released to normal people.

I rather like the implication there that architects aren't normal people :D Unfortunately, bad buildings arise as a result of a much wider range of issues (and people) than just the architect - if it was just the architect then it'd be an easier problem to solve. I agree that there are many lousy buildings in Sheffield though and know what it's like to feel you've had a building foistered on you - it's wrong and there should be practical ways for the people who have to live with buildings to influence them more.

Originally posted by "The Cycleracer"

Chris have you been to Pitsmoor lately.
Its like a ghost town no more than a dozen people in the whole area.
Its due for demolishion.

I'm not that familiar with where one area starts and another stops round there. Also, it is nearly two years since I was working round there so, assuming I had got the name correct, there is every chance it's changed since then.

Which bit exactly is due for demolition?

Woodside is being demolished.
Chris the areas housing consists of maisonettes and are looked upon as slums, rightly so, but someone mentioned that the designers of these maisonettes should live in them before putting folk into them.
What you have got to remember is that estate was built in 1963 and housed the familys that lived in the back to back houses that dominated the area before it and the big slum clearance from Fowler St, Woodside lane made it possible for them to have decent housing.
It was a pleasure to live in that area during the 60s, as we had a proper bath,hot water, central heating and clean surroundings.
It was paradise in comparison to what we had before and the area where the slums stood on Stanley works field became a large open space to play on.
Now Woodside is in the same position again, but the designers don,t have a problem rebuilding it to 21st century standards, because the real reason for not rebuilding on the present Pitsmoor is because of the people of today, the lack of respect for people, property and abuse.
Everyone has opinions about todays society being worse than it used to be but I am confident in saying that it is, having lived in the 1960s behavior from children in todays society is different from when i was a child, because parents are different and so on which links with why they will not rebuild Pitsmoor.
Shame really because there is people out there wanting decent housing who will respect there surroundings, but put in 1 bad egg and they end up putting the area back into decline.

Originally posted by "Dug"

What Pub was it?

Tuxedoblue

Originally posted by "Classic Rock"

What Pub was it?

Tuxedoblue

Didn't it used to be called the Big Gun or Cross Gun before Tuxedobule? I've noticed it is shut down now.

It was indeed the Cross Guns Dug.

So it has been said Bradway has a better community spirit and is safer to walk through in night than Lowedges and all people of the Manor are YOBS and the LOWEST SCUMMIEST ppl ever. I STRONGLY DISAGREE !
I have 2 granmothers, one from Lowedges and the other Bradway, the one who lives on Lowedges is down to earth and gets on with most people, the one from Bradway criticising everything, ok its their personality but whilst walking through Bradway ive never had n "alrate" or "hello" from people i dont know but they have looked down on me for being a teenager, in Lowedges ive had loads of people say "alrate" "hello" and "hows it goin".
Ok the manor, i agree it has some people lower than dirt, not many though only a handful. Its gets a bad rep from the ones who are not wanted on their own estate whereas most of the people who live there are down to earth, friendly and do not deserve to be catagorised.
The reason theres more crime on the manor is the kids arent rich enough to buy the drugs to pass the time in which they cannot do a thing, whereas on the rich estates youve got people under 14 addicted to weed but they can afford it, also on the richer estates heavier drugs are taken more reguarly its just not heard off, or mentioned. On the richer estates there are more things for kids to do, more money for them to spend, enough money to buy drugs to pass the time.

You forgot Park Hill on that list. My 27 years of experience with that place leads me to recommend in the worse place to live in Sheffield.

Funny thing is, you probably would get many people on here from Park Hill dissing the place -- they'd be too scared to be seen taking a computer in their flat because the next day they'd probably have been robbed.

Just prefer to live somewhere away from crime, drugs, muggers, drunks, scrubbers!!!

Originally posted by "halevan"

Just prefer to live somewhere away from crime, drugs, muggers, drunks, scrubbers!!!

The moon? :wink:

No! sheffield.

Bit of a leftfield input - I am covering the Manor area for the breeding bird atlas
http://www.sbsg.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/atlas_2003_intro.html
I was surprised after all I'd heard to find that there is an amazing amount of green space, even in what is supposed to be a core urban area.
It's an interesting place to wander round at dawn, though I take my cheaper binoculars :)
As well as singing Meadow Pipit and Stock Dove, at the ruined Manor itself there is at least one Whitethroat territory, and around the old barns and associated scrapyards (Manor Oaks?) are the only Swallows I have seen in the inner city. None of these are what you would call core urban species.
Compared to what I've seen in other cities, Sheffield's 'worst area' looks like a green and pleasant land.
There's a hell of a lot of boarded-up houses though.

Baublebag... I love you!! LOL. How true you are my friend!! Do you mean the fields around where St Oswalds school is?? If so it's called Manor Oaks Farm, used to house pigs, geese, sheep, but then something happened and it only has horse now. Infact, I can see it through my window right now! I've never really noticed the birds round here, well, except the few that wake me up in the morning fair enough!

There are a fair few houses boarded up round here, but that seems to be sorting out now! We also have the "Power Rangers" (as they're known round here) Street Rangers to you lot, who are really awesome getting things sorted for the kids to do in the holidays, checking on your house if your alarm goes off and walking round the streets to see if everything is OK. I think Dore and Ecclesall could do with a few Power Rangers!
Chloé

Or not..

LOL... to20 See how protective you get when someone spits about Ecclesall?? Well you know how I feel when people do it CONSTANTLY. What riles me even more is the fact that it's more than likely a very stereotypical view of the Manor that they have!! I can really say that I don't reckon much to Ecclesall, I've worked there, in a school actually, and a few of the people there don't seem that friendly. Not much of a welcoming place really... the community spirit on the Manor area is much MUCH higher than places of, let's say, higher earners. I really don't think I could live anywhere other than where I live now.. its where my heart is, as is probably the situation with u to2o!
Chloé

Define "community spirit".

Well, where I'm from, community spirit... helping out when need be, communicating when things need to be done, cuppa sugar here and theer, talking at a bus stop, being friendly, not constantly trying to outdo the person living next to you. I experienced a lot of these in Ecclesall and Dore. Please don't make Ecclesall out to be the Shiny part of Sheffield, because that's like saying Skegness is the new Costa Del Sol!
Chloé

People do talk at bus stops and in shops. Neighbours usually help each other out. I don't see how its unfriendly round here. The only difference is there are a lot less incidents of vandals setting cars alight, putting bricks through windows, smashing car windows, etc etc. I'd say that was friendlier, not less friendly. Please don't make the Manor out to be the shiny part of sheffield, because thats like saying Kenya is the new USA.

I never said that about the Manor... infact I wouldn't even try to suggest it because I know what people think about it. No, maybe YOU haven't experienced bricks through your windows , car break-ins and what have yer, but I know some who have. And no... they don't burn the cars out at Ecclesall, they pinch them from there and dump them here! Your views on the Manor make me wonder whether you think that there's always someone watching you round here, ready to jump you the minute your backs turned, or something always going on. Fortunately, the things that do happen round here are done by a minority and not a majority. Also, things are being done to put a stop to the things that are happening around here. And actually, a young lad from round here is going for tea with the Queen soon!! For his work in the community. Community!
Chloé

Well, as long as you're happy who cares. I much prefer it round here though. Better schools, bigger gardens, more parks, more woods, near peak district, nicer houses, tree lined roads, little graffiti, less crime, friendly neighbours, etc etc. Each to their own.

Don't think I could agree FULLY with the better school things. The schools round here aren't too bad. All Saints catholic school just down Granville Road, St Oswalds on the Wybourn is a good school too!! I think you'll find that it's the kids that go there and not the school, although the 2 mentioned have decent kids (I was one! lol) It's the same all over. The kids at Silverdale, Birkdale etc etc aren't as innocent as most of you make out... mark my words!!
Chloé

I was basing the schools thing on exam results, which is fact not opinion. Silverdale is indeed one of the TOP state schools in the whole country.

Also a military camp. All work no play. Silverdale aren't bothered about the kids there... just the exam results. Obviously their methods are working, but that doesn't necassarily mean they're morally right! The kids there... more druggies in that school than the whole of the Manor area!
Chloé

Originally posted by "Chloe"

Also a military camp. All work no play. Silverdale aren't bothered about the kids there... just the exam results. Obviously their methods are working, but that doesn't necassarily mean they're morally right! The kids there... more druggies in that school than the whole of the Manor area!
Chloé

Perhaps you'd like to produce some statistics to back up your libel?

I don't need statistics! The kids parents give em money to get the stuff!! I have friends who go to that school. Also, changing the subject ever so slightly, can't the kids at these schools get a bus home like other kids?? I'm sick to death of sitting on the bus for a whole hour while some parent comes rushing back to their car (phone and briefcase in hand) after looking for their kid.. all after they've parked their cars behind the COACHES that have to pick them up. When I was at school, I caught the bus there and back and got home much quicker than those who wait around for parents.
Chloé

Buses are awful things and I'm so glad I never have to catch one again! They're OK when you're a kid for getting into town, but they're so unreliable and the bus drivers are so rude and ignorant, in general anyway. I posted in another thread about this time a few years back coming up Ecclesall Road. A woman got on and only had £20 note, the driver couldn't change it, so she asked if she could nip to a nearby shop and get some change. The driver agreed, she ran off to get it, and the driver set off!

Hey you!! Can't do much right can yer tonight, t020?? My dad's a bus driver so don't be like that!! :wink: Nah, he really is a bus driver, but he's a nice bus driver. Doesn't agree with the things most bus drivers do. Again it's only a minority.
Chloé

Hello Mr Foot, say hello to Mr Mouth! From my experience though, it was more like the majority that were rude, though there were a few nice ones.

Let's put it this way.. look at what bus drivers have to put up with. Crap wages, cramped conditions (IMPOV) Have you seen the stickers on buses lately? The ones about working without fear of assault or intimidation?? That's ridiculous!! Also, while we're on the topic.. I think the strike for Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday is now OFF. Anyone else heard anything? Unfortunately, my dad works late shifts so I don't really get much chance to ask questions that I actually should!
Chloé

The reason theres more crime on the manor is the kids arent rich enough to buy the drugs to pass the time in which they cannot do a thing, whereas on the rich estates youve got people under 14 addicted to weed but they can afford it, also on the richer estates heavier drugs are taken more reguarly its just not heard off, or mentioned. On the richer estates there are more things for kids to do, more money for them to spend, enough money to buy drugs to pass the time.

Or there's the fact the yobs parent's couldn't give a monkies themselves.

And yes I agree with earlier posters that its only a minority that gives areas like Manor Park a bad name, but its a visible and vocal minority, that unfortunately spoil it for the rest.

Originally posted by t020
Well, as long as you're happy who cares. I much prefer it round here though. Better schools, bigger gardens, more parks, more woods, near peak district, nicer houses, tree lined roads, little graffiti, less crime, friendly neighbours, etc etc. Each to their own.

More congestion, no garages, ridiculously overpriced terraced houses, litter strewing the streets from students.

Yes I used to live there.

No I wouldn't again.

But it is better than the Manor.

Originally posted by monkjack
More congestion, no garages, ridiculously overpriced terraced houses, litter strewing the streets from students.

Yes I used to live there.

No I wouldn't again.

But it is better than the Manor.

Once again, you're talking about Ecclesall ROAD, not Ecclesall. Ecclesall Road is NOT an area. It is a road with shops, pubs, etc on where a lot of students live, which if you follow up another 3 miles or so, leads you to Ecclesall the area, where there are plenty of garages, few terraced houses (mainly detached and semis), barely any litter, and no students other than those living with parents. I suggest you get your facts straight before spouting bulls**t like that. To again use an analogy used here before, is London Road in London? Is Manchester Road in Manchester? So why do you think Ecclesall Road is Ecclesall? Its not until you get up to Ecclesall Road SOUTH, which is miles up the road, that you are even getting near to Ecclesall, which you will find does not suffer from any of the things mentioned in your post.

So you're talking about Ecclesall Road South. Most people I speak to would consider Broomsgrove road area to be what would spring to mind when you think of Ecclesall.

And you can't argue that house prices there are ridiculously overvalued, but that will probably continue for a long time, and that traffic is a nightmare compared to a non city location.

Originally posted by monkjack
So you're talking about Ecclesall Road South. Most people I speak to would consider Broomsgrove road area to be what would spring to mind when you think of Ecclesall.

And you can't argue that house prices there are ridiculously overvalued, but that will probably continue for a long time, and that traffic is a nightmare compared to a non city location.

Erm, no, I think you will find most people who know the city well enough will know that Ecclesall is a suburb on the south westerly outskirts of the city, between Dore and Fulwood. Broomsgrove Road area is not what most people would consider to be Ecclesall, its what people who assume Ecclesall is next to Ecclesall Road would think. Easy mistake, but if you think thats Ecclesall, you're very, very wrong. Carry on up Ecclesall Road and then Ecclesall Road South and you might eventually reach Ecclesall. End of.

To whoever sported the insanely ridiculous remark about 'posh kids being addicted to weed', there are some fundamental errors that have been made. Numero uno, weed contains no addictive substances - you can't get hooked on it - but you can get hooked on the tobacco that many people lace it with.

Also, I think it'd be a fair guess to suggest that much of the crime in places like Manor Park and Burngreave (definitely) is drug-related. So, if Ecclesall etc. has the drug problem, then it should coincide with, and therefore have the crime problem. So by contradiction, you've made an invalid point and embarassed yourself to an extent.

I don't think you can class an area as particularly bad, but more the people within it. For instance, there are some nice big houses on Prince of Wales Road - but the people who live in them have forced it into a run-down and crime-ridden area.

I know I'm happy in South-West Sheffield, thank you very much.

PS. I've got 12 empty garages up my road. My road is populated mostly by 60+, as I look out of my window, I see NO litter, just leaves on the roadside and wait...I've not heard a car go down my road in the last 30 or so minutes - even though I live on a road that conjoins the arterial roads of Ecclesall and Abbeydale Road.

Thanks for reading,
Rican

Originally posted by Rican
To whoever sported the insanely ridiculous remark about 'posh kids being addicted to weed', there are some fundamental errors that have been made. Numero uno, weed contains no addictive substances - you can't get hooked on it - but you can get hooked on the tobacco that many people lace it with.

Also, I think it'd be a fair guess to suggest that much of the crime in places like Manor Park and Burngreave (definitely) is drug-related. So, if Ecclesall etc. has the drug problem, then it should coincide with, and therefore have the crime problem. So by contradiction, you've made an invalid point and embarassed yourself to an extent.

I don't think you can class an area as particularly bad, but more the people within it. For instance, there are some nice big houses on Prince of Wales Road - but the people who live in them have forced it into a run-down and crime-ridden area.

I know I'm happy in South-West Sheffield, thank you very much.

PS. I've got 12 empty garages up my road. My road is populated mostly by 60+, as I look out of my window, I see NO litter, just leaves on the roadside and wait...I've not heard a car go down my road in the last 30 or so minutes - even though I live on a road that conjoins the arterial roads of Ecclesall and Abbeydale Road.

Thanks for reading,
Rican

Yes. It seems some people are trying to make out Ecclesall and other areas to be as bad as other areas in Sheffield, probably out of jealousy, or just looking for an argument, who knows. What I do know is that Ecclesall Rd is NOT Ecclesall, it simply leads to it. I agree with you that its not the area itself, its the people within it. Thats why a 3 bed semi would cost hundreds of thousands in South West Sheffield, and about half as much and less in other parts. The actual house itself is pretty much the same, but people are prepared to pay more to avoid the trouble makers such as the druggies. Well, that and the fact that we're closer to the Peak district, have tree lined roads, have several large parks and woods, etc etc.

So what is the name of the area of Ecclesall Road where the students live? Sharrow is the nearest place according to Ordnance Survey.

The 'proper' suburb of Ecclesall, which T020 said, is miles away, beyond Greystones and Brincliffe.

me and my friend were talking about this a bout a year ago...we thought it must be one of the only areas of sheffield that doesnt have a name...youve got city centre/sharrow at one end, hunters bar at the other and broomhill and broomhall on one other side but the middle bit where all the students and shops are doesnt seem to be called anything...is that bit maybe just called Ecclesall Road?


the ultimate must have been when i was doing deliveries down there and someone (must have been a student didnt even know their own address and gave it as some .....road, ecclesall (as in the place past banner cross)

Originally posted by alchresearch
So what is the name of the area of Ecclesall Road where the students live? Sharrow is the nearest place according to Ordnance Survey.

The 'proper' suburb of Ecclesall, which T020 said, is miles away, beyond Greystones and Brincliffe.

Exactly, which is what I've been trying to get through to people.

According to the Governments latest (2000) Index of Multiple Deprivation the worst areas are as follows the (lower the figure the more deprived it is).

Southey Green/Parsons Cross 43
Burngreave 60
Manor 76
Park Hill 98


These figures are their rankings out of the 8414 council areas in England. Incidentally Ecclesall was the least deprived. Sheffield was 60 most deprived as a local authority as a whole.

You can get the full list by putting Index of Multiple Deprivation in google and then looking for sheffield.

Originally posted by gloworm

You can get the full list by putting Index of Multiple Deprivation in google and then looking for sheffield.

Cool! 8)

I'm going to see how badly Liverpool does... :twisted:

Originally posted by The Cycleracer

You don,t live on the Manor or Pitsmoor if your earning 100k a year because you can afford better, although i doubt that any council area has a resident earning anywhere near that amount so we have to live somewhere and thats a council area like it or not.
up. [/B]

Sorry to revive this somewhat old topic!

Not everybody in Pitsmoor is a council tenant, and I know of a number of businessmen there earning in excess of £100k a year aswell, who choose not to move because of their close family there - for example Firshill (I know of a particularly wealthy gentleman there, along with his family as one example) - Infact closer to home, I can afford 'better' but being in the position I am I feel that at this time that 'better' is far far over valued and not reflective of its true financial worth. In addition I know peopke in more 'affluent' areas earning far less that some of the folk I know locally. That isnt to say that people in more affluent areas collectively earn less, because thats not true, however if affordability was the only factor, I know a fair few people here who should be in Whirlow/Dore. Given, council tenants may not be in the same position, but thats the whole point of social housing isn't it, giving people somewhere to live - its sad that the minority take the **** with it and have no respect for anybody else's living, and thats the root of the problem.

As for schooling, I went to a "failed" school you might say, but worked hard and came out okay, got into college, through that and into University. I also did 6th Form at High Storrs (a more affluent School?) and never before have I met such capable students bull***** their talent away so quickly - many of those who I knew from then are now on the dole. What I am saying is, its not what your parents earn, or neccessarily where you learn, but if you got the heart and mind to make something of yourself you will do it no matter where you are or what the circumstances.

I know that at some point, despite my liking for my area I will move onto pastures new. But in doing so, I won't forget where I came from, and as opposed to those who simply move out and glad they have rid themselves of the past, I fully intend to reinvest in this area and do my level best to ensure this area is on par with many of the other nicer areas in Sheffield, a direction which I believe has started already. In attaining my future position as a surveyor / property consultant I don't want to turn my back on those locals who have given me support over the years, at times when it was most required.

If Sheffielders have set ideas on areas just because of previous experience, some of which date many years, then I feel (as I have always felt) the way forward is to seek external investment (new blood) into these areas to enhance its appeal. You may think that the asylum seekers are all doing nothing but sapping benefits, but you overlook those who have opened businesses, found work far more quickly that those who have lived in these areas for many years, and have made an effort to integrate and contribute to their communities. Other folk from surrounding cities buying property as investments, or to move into Sheffield are whats needed to revive such places and install the roots to a heathy economy if we can get them all working and increasing their household incomes, so that they can spend locally and on their properties, especially if the mentalities of some of the more local folk are destined never to change.

1Man&HisBMW

8) Nah Den Ace.........

Have we lost a couple of related threads - "What do you associate with Ecclesall?" and t020's one about the "other half"? They were funny as f***! If they were deleted by the mods, then who is moderating the moderators? Do we really need to have the decision what and what not to read taken for us? And if we do, an explanatory note would make the Moderators and their decisions more accountable, and may also allay Little Hitler and Big Brother type of accusations.

Originally posted by Spacehopper
Have we lost a couple of related threads - "What do you associate with Ecclesall?" and t020's one about the "other half"? They were funny as *****! If they were deleted by the mods, then who is moderating the moderators? Do we really need to have the decision what and what not to read taken for us? And if we do, an explanatory note would make the Moderators and their decisions more accountable, and may also allay Little Hitler and Big Brother type of accusations.
They are now back and were only temporarily removed. In the future please PM myself or a moderator if you are ever concerned about the whereabouts of a thread, it would get you a quicker reponse and better than using someone else's topic.

Well I have read through this thread and can honestly say it has made me feel like ****. :(

Yes, I live in a poor area, yes there's crime, there's drugs, but there are so, so, so many things that are better than when I lived in Broomhill.

We have an incredible mix of cultures, nationalities and languages here. We TALK to each other. We smile and say hello as we pass strangers. We know the staff in the local shops who always care about how you are.

I like where I live, mostly. It's far from perfect but there's enough of it for me to like, to stay here.

And yes, I can't afford to live anywhere else. But I'm here and I'm making the most of it.

Then I read people's comments about council housing. How can you make a judgement about ME based on my postcode? How can you tell me what it's like to live here when you're in ****ing Ecclesall.

Yes you have tree lined streets. Woo hoo.

I've lived in places with tree lined streets and never even had my next door neighbour say hello to me.

And YOU judge ME because of where I live? You make me feel like something you've trodden in because you're living on a different bus route (yes I use buses. I don't own a car. I can't afford one, and even if I could I wouldn't use one. They're awful things).

How dare you make me feel so bad about myself?

You go Girl!!
Spacehopper... I live on the Manor Park centre, well nice place and very nice people, minority spoil it but I love it!
Chloé

I must admit, the feeling of community round here is rather nice. I live in a "bad area" thanks to student budget, but the people are good, kind and friendly despite all sorts of differences :)

Originally posted by alchresearch
So what is the name of the area of Ecclesall Road where the students live? Sharrow is the nearest place according to Ordnance Survey.

The 'proper' suburb of Ecclesall, which T020 said, is miles away, beyond Greystones and Brincliffe.

I lived just off Eccleshall Road (Southgrove Road) in the 70's and never regarded it as coming under any particular area. It was just Eccleshall Road, an area on it's own. It definitely isn't Eccleshall, which is miles away out near Bents Green.

I'm suprised no one voted for Park Hill.
The manor ain't that bad. One of me sisters friends lives on there and she says that at first she was broken into alot but now they just leave her alone and she's like one of the family.
Even so I still feel afraid walking around there. I do in quite a few places though.
Yup sorry to say it guys but I think that Dore and Totley are snobby. Actually Nether Edge used to be too. I'm not sure if it still is.
All I know is, I walked down to Hunter's Bar with my dogs yesterday and I smiled at the people down there and they look at you as if your trying to rob them!!
:loopy:
Geez if I was gonna kidnap someone I'd pick someone sexy for crying out loud!! :bigsmile:

Originally posted by Houdi
I lived just off Eccleshall Road (Southgrove Road) in the 70's and never regarded it as coming under any particular area. It was just Eccleshall Road, an area on it's own. It definitely isn't Eccleshall, which is miles away out near Bents Green.


Thank you! Where were you weeks ago when this debate was spiralling out of control? At last someone with common sense and local knowledge.

PS. Drop the 'h' in 'Eccleshall' - Ecclesall. :)

It doesn't matter WHERE one lives - That is often out of one's control. It's HOW one lives that matters.:)

To be honest I wouldn't wanna live up the Eccelsall area anyhow. All that money for tiny houses dwarfed by busy roads and pollution?? Dosen't sound groovy to me.
Remember though Pitsmoor was once posh ( just look at the style of the houses ) and what areas are considered posh change.
So I guess they is no good or bad area. All areas - even mine - will be posh one day. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by New Age
To be honest I wouldn't wanna live up the Eccelsall area anyhow. All that money for tiny houses dwarfed by busy roads and pollution?? Dosen't sound groovy to me.
Remember though Pitsmoor was once posh ( just look at the style of the houses ) and what areas are considered posh change.
So I guess they is no good or bad area. All areas - even mine - will be posh one day. :thumbsup:


Which tiny houses would they be? I live here, and I see what the houses are like. They are mainly average-large semi detached and detached houses, and there are also a fair few 'big' houses too. 'All that money' is justified when you consider the fact that there are no motorways or ring roads at all running anywhere near the area, being on the edge of the countryside, lower rates of crime and anti-social behaviour, lots of parks and tree lined roads, Sheffields better state schools, etc etc etc.

8) Nah Den Ace.......

Originally posted by t020
Which tiny houses would they be? I live here, and I see what the houses are like. They are mainly average-large semi detached and detached houses, and there are also a fair few 'big' houses too. 'All that money' is justified when you consider the fact that there are no motorways or ring roads at all running anywhere near the area, being on the edge of the countryside, lower rates of crime and anti-social behaviour, lots of parks and tree lined roads, Sheffields better state schools, etc etc etc.

Ecclesall may have been alright once upon a time, but it's gone down nick since then, my friend! It's got a bad reputation now!

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Nah even that area has its bad points t020. Mainly the fact that quite a few of them think themselves to be better than the average person.

Originally posted by Spacehopper
8) Nah Den Ace.......



Ecclesall may have been alright once upon a time, but it's gone down nick since then, my friend! It's got a bad reputation now!

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Only thanks to idiots like you that don't understand where it is. Anyway, it hasn't.... checked the house prices lately?

8) Nah Den Ace.......

Originally posted by t020
Only thanks to idiots like you that don't understand where it is. Anyway, it hasn't.... checked the house prices lately?

We all know where Ecclesall is. There's been a well documented murder there recently........it's where all the naughty people live........I'd advise people not to go there.

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Originally posted by Spacehopper
8) Nah Den Ace.......



We all know where Ecclesall is. There's been a well documented murder there recently........it's where all the naughty people live........I'd advise people not to go there.

Regards,

Spacehopper.


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Thoughtful response...Perhaps add a few more A's to balance it out....That one A looks a little lonely. :P

Interesting that the Classic Rock Bar is listed as:

144 Ecclesall Road

Ecclesall

S11 8JB

Tel: 0114 2727799

In the Sheffield Pub web-site.

http://www.sheffieldpub.co.uk/pubs/search/index.php

Ecclesall

Originally posted by Carlwarker
Interesting that the Classic Rock Bar is listed as:

144 Ecclesall Road

Ecclesall

S11 8JB

Tel: 0114 2727799

In the Sheffield Pub web-site.

http://www.sheffieldpub.co.uk/pubs/search/index.php

Ecclesall

Interesting, but also incorrect. The CRB is on the half of Ecclesall Road that is not even in the council Ward of Ecclesall, let alone the suburban area 2.5 miles up the road.

The Classic Rock Bar isn't even in the Sheffield Hallam Constituency. A quick search using that postcode on upmystreet reveals this (http://www.upmystreet.com/overview/?l1=S11+8JB#Rep) . So, bearing in mind Hallam is made up of 4 wards (Ecclesall, Dore, Broomhill and Hallam), CRB is definitely NOT in the Ecclesall Ward, let alone the Ecclesall Area (which is part of the Ecclesall Ward), thus proving that I was right all along.

8) Nah Den Ace........

Right! The next person to mention E*******l Road will have to go and stand in the corner, with their face to the wall, whilst wearing a dunce's hat..............it'll all end in tears!!!

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Originally posted by t020
The Classic Rock Bar isn't even in the Sheffield Hallam Constituency. A quick search using that postcode on upmystreet reveals this (http://www.upmystreet.com/overview/?l1=S11+8JB#Rep) . So, bearing in mind Hallam is made up of 4 wards (Ecclesall, Dore, Broomhill and Hallam), CRB is definitely NOT in the Ecclesall Ward, let alone the Ecclesall Area (which is part of the Ecclesall Ward), thus proving that I was right all along.

Who cares!

What ’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.

Romeo and Juliet. Act ii. Sc. 2.1

How sad, that you’re so hung-up on such a trivial matter.

And, all I did was state a fact.
:)

Originally posted by Carlwarker
Who cares!

What ’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.

Romeo and Juliet. Act ii. Sc. 2.1

How sad, that you’re so hung-up on such a trivial matter.

And, all I did was state a fact.
:)


You obviously care, you went to the trouble of making your post in the first place.

How sad am I hung up on the matter? You brought it up again.

You stated a fact? No you didn't, you stated an address on an amateur website. I stated the facts. The very facts that proved your so called fact to be complete folly.

Originally posted by t020
You obviously care, you went to the trouble of making your post in the first place.

How sad am I hung up on the matter? You brought it up again.

You stated a fact? No you didn't, you stated an address on an amateur website. I stated the facts. The very facts that proved your so called fact to be complete folly.

You obviously have proved my point AGAIN.

I was pulling your chain - And my, how you flushed!:D

Originally posted by Carlwarker
You obviously have proved my point AGAIN.

I was pulling your chain - And my, how you flushed!:D


OOOOOH clever stuff! Actually though, you have proved MY point. I see you are backing down now that you are resigned to failure? I proved you wrong, eat humble pie.

Originally posted by t020
No you didn't, you stated an address on an amateur website.
If it's such an amateur website t020 why dont you just f*** off.

Originally posted by Spacehopper
8) Nah Den Ace.......



Ecclesall may have been alright once upon a time, but it's gone down nick since then, my friend! It's got a bad reputation now!

Certainly has, Whirlow is where the big fish live these days.
Ecclesall is the Wybourn of the Hallam constituates.

Whoops sorry for mentioning that E word.
Sorry Wybourn, no offence made tying you in with that E area.

No more said on the matter from me.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by t020
OOOOOH clever stuff! Actually though, you have proved MY point. I see you are backing down now that you are resigned to failure? I proved you wrong, eat humble pie.

You really are tiresome T, and, from your comments, you appear to be quite thick. If you read, and comprehend, my post regarding the Classic Rock Bar, you will see that I merely stated a FACT.

ie. that on the Sheffield Pub web-site, the address of the ‘Classic’ IS listed as ‘…Ecclesall Road, Ecclesall …’.

Now, that is a FACT, listed for all to see. I made no other comment on that particular posting. I was, however, playing the ‘devil’s advocate’, and you rose to the bait (as expected) like some poor little fish, not once, but several times.

As I stated in my response: ‘how sad…’.

There is nothing particularly ‘clever’ in my stating a fact, so that I would ‘back down’ from this is, obviously untrue. However, your method of ‘proof’, needs some ‘improoving’ (pun and spelling error intended). And as for my ‘eating humble pie’, well, I suggest that you have just got one straight in the face.

ps. I, actually, do prefer ‘that a rose IS called a rose’, even though Shakey is correct.
:P

Good grief, I find it quite surreal that someone can defend the estate - sorry, suburb - they happen to live on so passionately and vociferously. Surely it doesn't matter that much? We're all people, all the same - it really doesn't (or at least, shouldn't) matter where we live. I can think of several, far more worth while causes to get upset about and fight for, than whether or not someone mistakes the name/place/boundaries/ice cream van route of your area - especially with all the repugnant things happening in the world today. :(

I absoultely agree with you hodge! It's really getting a little out of hand... I mean, I'm from Essex so I have to put up with a lot of stick, but really, who cares? It's who you are, not where you come from!!

HEY !! ... why isn't ECCLESALL in the poll list for worse area ??

T020 - am I right in assuming that you are living in a (perhaps shared) student house in the sacred environs of Ecclesall?

If so, what have you got to be so smug about? Don't you know that an Englishman's home is his castle, and that people who can't afford to buy their own homes are worth less than travelling tinkers?

8) Nah Den Ace......

Originally posted by MichaelTravis
T020 - am I right in assuming that you are living in a (perhaps shared) student house in the sacred environs of Ecclesall?

If so, what have you got to be so smug about? Don't you know that an Englishman's home is his castle, and that people who can't afford to buy their own homes are worth less than travelling tinkers?

Rather, at a guess, he is still living at home with his rich Mummy and Daddy..............

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Hmmm I wonder how old he is too...

Should one be allowed to fly the flag for an area where you live by dint of someone else's spending power?

This isnt a dig, it is a question

If you live with your parents or grandparents etc in a home that they have paid for or are paying for, is your view of the best and worst places to live going to be the same as someone who is making the choice based on the contents of their own pockets?

I am not phrasing this well.

When T020 is another five years older and buying somewhere of his own, will he be able to afford Ecclesall posh end, or might he have to go and live in a little house on Ecclesall Road.

And when that happens, will his views still be the same?

Originally posted by caprice
Hmmm I wonder how old he is too...

21, I think. It was mentioned in the chat room.

21... He still has time to grow out his ignorant ways....or maybe not!

Originally posted by alchresearch
21, I think. It was mentioned in the chat room.

Mmm...I remember it well, as Maurice Chevalier sang. T'was the age that I had my first house (and mortgage).

It's also of the age when one tends to think that one knows everything - whilst, several decades later, one realises that one knows very little.

Your impetuousness and evident self-importance is forgiven T - not so sure about the snobishness though.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by caprice
Hmmm I wonder how old he is too...

I wonder that too Caprice.

He's either about 12 or about 70 is my conclusion.

He has the maturity of a 12 year old yet the bigotry which is *sometimes* displayed by older generations.

HAHHAHA! Unbelievable. I realise I'm not a popular member of this forum, but if you actually look back through the posts, it wasn't me who brought this topic back up again. When Carlworker did however, I felt obliged to prove my point. It seems that this proof is a little too much for some of you as, realising that you're in the wrong, you have turned to insults. Yes, I do live with my parents. Yes I am 21. Yes, it will be tough buying a first house. No, my views won't change. I will still know where I'd like to be living, and for me that is Fulwood, Ecclesall or Dore. No matter where I have to buy my first house, I will always still think that these areas are the best Sheffield has to offer and will be something to aspire to. If you have a problem with my views, then that is just that - YOUR problem. Also, I get branded a snob for saying what most people think anyway about the less desirable areas of Sheffield, e.g. the Manor, but the double standards that some people have shown on this are incredible. A few weeks ago some of you started laying into Kittykat in the chat room just because she is from Rotherham, and you all started insulting Rotherham as a place to live. Needless to say, she has not been on here much after that. The hypocrisy astounds me when I consider that these people were also some of the very same people who have a problem with me 'insulting' other areas of Sheffield (I won't mention any names but they know who they are).

t020, I for one welcome your opinions on the forum. Let's face it, nobody else stimulates so much discussion, and that can only be a good thing. I certainly don't agree with much of what you say, but you're entitled to your opinion, and it's always interesting to see a diverse range of people and perspectives on the forum, after all, surely that is what it's there for.

I agree with what you say about Dore, Fulwood etc being places to aspire to. However, most of us are never going to get there. Not everyone in Sheffield, no matter how hard they work, is going to end up living in a six bedroom palace on the west side, and so instead, we look for whatever benefits our less affluent areas of the city have to offer. I for example live in Woodseats, which isn't deprived, but it isn't exactly posh either. However, it has a great many benefits, such as easy access to Graves and Meersbrook Parks, several supermarkets, loads of woodland, and some very interesting places to visit like Bishop's House or Beauchief Abbey. It's good for buses, there isn't much crime, and it's not too far from town. As I don't drive (out of choice, not because I'm poor), these things are important to me. Granted, if I win the lottery jackpot, I'd probably move somewhere more affluent, but until then, I'd say that I feel very lucky to live where I do.

And LET'S PUT THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE!!! Sheffield has it's problem areas, but nobody's in any danger of treading on a landmine, being shot by fundamentalists or whatever. This city has to be one of the richest and safest in the world, no matter if you live in Ecclesall, Woodseats, Gleadless or God forbid, Ecclesall Road, so thank your stars!!

Out of curiosity t020, let's say hypothetically, that your life didn't turn out the way you planned, and you ended up living in one of the less pleasant areas of the city, with no hope of ever making it back into one of the areas that you aspire to live in (let's face it, nothing in life is certain, apart from death and taxes), how would this affect you, and how would you feel about people making comments like some that you have posted?

Again, I'd like to point out that I'm criticsing nobody. I just like a good discussion, and I'm interested in everyone's opinion, contraverstial or otherwise. Also, sorry about this, but I can't remember what this thread was about, so apologies if I've gone off on one unnecessarily...

Funky Dave - I have no problem with people having pride in their own areas (afterall, I do, though people seem to object to this). However, I object to being told that the area I live in extends a further 2.5 miles down the road right up to the edge of the town centre when it clearly doesn't! I'm not saying Ecclesall Rd is bad or good, but its not in Ecclesall, and I won't have people telling me that I live in the same area as people living near the Classic Rock Bar, half the diameter across the city! Its not on, I have every right to object to incorrect statements, and believe I have proved my point on many occasions, yet still people keep bringing the topic back up! I also have a problem with peoples hypocrisy (see my previous post in this thread). Finally, there is also the fact that people show discrimination against me because of where I live, whilst slating me for saying a lot of people on the Manor are yobs. They assume that because I live where I do that I'm a spoiled rich kid and that my parents give me loads of money. This is on a par with assuming all council estate residents are criminals and druggies. Again, double standards.

t020 I think Funky Dave has some valid points - you might feel a bit differently if you end up having to live in a part of town that isn't quite as "nice" as Ecclesall, Dore etc. That doesn't mean you will stop liking those areas, but living elsewhere might give you a different perspective. I know, because it happened to me. I lived in Broomhill for years, then when it came to buying a place, had to go a bit more "downmarket". You do realise when that happens that the badlands aren't so bad after after all and, indeed, have a lot going for them in different ways. Perhaps going through that experience makes you a more rounded individual, I can't really say. I, for one, would love to live in Ecclesall or Dore - I'd be a liar if I claimed otherwise - but reality ain't like that for most people, and they can get defensive if you start slagging off their (perfectly good) manors.

Hell...let's feel some love in here....

And all this - just because I stated a FACT!:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Carlwarker
And all this - just because I stated a FACT!:thumbsup:

No, no, because I stated a fact - Ecclesall Rd not being in Ecclesall. Long before you chipped in.

A few things to consider

1) Ecclesall Road IS NOT in Ecclesall it LEADS to Ecclesall which is the case with most roads that are named after areas. You all know this so lets stop winding t020 up about this its not funny anymore its just boring - especially when he is correct about what he is saying and obviously defensive about it as you all are about your areas - lets not be hypocritical going on about how sad he is and then saying where you live is the best place on earth and you shall not hear a word against it.

2) Its been mentioned that i havent been on this as much since people slagged Rotherham off (even though these people probably havent even been to rotheram let alone the bit i live in)- True - i havent, but that isnt to do with that to be honest i couldnt give a flying fish about what people think of where i live its what i think that matters and incidentally i happen to think rotherham has good and bad bits but on the whole is a bit of a dump.

3) One reason i havent been on here recently (amongst others such as heavy work load) is that i dont get on well with idealistic people. The fact of the matter is that deep down humankind want money and material goods and we can get very jealous of those who have it. Those who live in affluent areas have more money than those who dont (in general - just to cover the odd few rich people who decide to stay living in the less affluent areas for whatever reason) and live amongst those who also have money and in general these people are hard working individuals who dont need to commit crimes so dont. Those of you who say the people there look down on others are most probably jealous (I know I am jealous of them and am not ashamed to admit it) and hey if you had the amount of money they had there probably would be an element of that in you too - but youll never know will you.

4) Lets end the debate on best and worst areas as its quite clear what makes a good area for one person and what makes a good area for another is very different though being a presumptuous person id say none of us would turn down the opportunity of swapping our houses with one in ecclesall, fulwood or dore so lets not lie.

5) Goodbye for now

Originally posted by kittykat



2) Its been mentioned that i havent been on this as much since people slagged Rotherham off (even though these people probably havent even been to rotheram let alone the bit i live in)- True - i havent, but that isnt to do with that to be honest i couldnt give a flying fish about what people think of where i live its what i think that matters and incidentally i happen to think rotherham has good and bad bits but on the whole is a bit of a dump.





I'm a Sheffielder through and through but I personally think that Rotherham is a lovely place. By the way all you RUFC supporters, well done for taking Arsenal (spot the British player/staff) to the wire. Good on you. From a Blades supporter!
Be proud kittykat and be very grateful you don't come from Barnsley!

All my favourite places are in Rotherham - Ulley C.P. and Treeton Dyke and the woodlands surrounding it, Roche Abbey, not to mention the miles of quiet country lanes around Brampton, Hooton Levit, and beyond Kiveton.

8) Nah Den Ace.......

Originally posted by alchresearch
All my favourite places are in Rotherham - Ulley C.P. and Treeton Dyke........

You can't beat a Sunday morning walk to either Ulley or Treeton; Just sitting quietly by the water for 10 minutes is usually all I need to get things in perspective.........

Regards,

Spacehopper.

The canal from Sheffield (Victoria Quays) to Rotherham centre is a pleasing walk in good weather.

In danger of wandering off SHEFFIELD CHAT here so I'll leave it at that.

This might sound like a daft question, but I've never done this walk and would like to: which direction do you go in - towards Parkway (I imagine this is correct) or the other way?. Somehow I can imagine them both going to Rotherham, although that doesn't make sense. As you can tell, my memory of the quays is a bit ropey - haven't been there for ages.

Thanks

Originally posted by markham
The canal from Sheffield (Victoria Quays) to Rotherham centre is a pleasing walk in good weather.

In danger of wandering off SHEFFIELD CHAT here so I'll leave it at that.

Originally posted by Spacehopper
8) Nah Den Ace.......



You can't beat a Sunday morning walk to either Ulley or Treeton; Just sitting quietly by the water for 10 minutes is usually all I need to get things in perspective.........

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Lots of lovely chestnuts in Treeton Woods at the minute. I've also found a bush full of slews that is hidden from the public!

Originally posted by kittykat
3) One reason i havent been on here recently (amongst others such as heavy work load) is that i dont get on well with idealistic people.

What does this mean?

Originally posted by kittykat
....being a presumptuous person id say none of us would turn down the opportunity of swapping our houses with one in ecclesall, fulwood or dore so lets not lie.

You are presumptuous and also very wrong. The areas you mention are not ones in which I would choose to live.

Originally posted by max
You are presumptuous and also very wrong. The areas you mention are not ones in which I would choose to live.
Agreed. It would depend on the house and location (neighbours and what not).

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Originally posted by MichaelTravis
This might sound like a daft question, but I've never done this walk and would like to: which direction do you go in - towards Parkway (I imagine this is correct) or the other way?.
Thanks

Just go in by the Victoria Quays entrance opposite the bottom of Division St. and the canal starts there. You can only walk in one direction from here and it should take about 3-4 hours if you stroll.
Bit scruffy in places, but well worth it for history, wildlife and quiet.
Watch out for anglers on banks though, and their litter!
Plenty of buses back into Sheff.
In fact this is one walk whereby you are never more than 4 mins. from a bus or tram stop if you get fed up, although once you get beyond Tinsley viaduct you may have to walk further for a bus.

Hope you enjoy it MT.

Originally posted by markham
Just go in by the Victoria Quays entrance opposite the bottom of Division St. and the canal starts there. You can only walk in one direction from here and it should take about 3-4 hours if you stroll.

Division Street?

worst area?

surely that has got to befoxhill it's full of old run down maisonettes and derilict ground.

and as the old saying goes don't knock it until you've tried it I live here

Originally posted by alchresearch
Division Street?

Well spotted alchresearch.
I meant Exchange St , thanks for pointing this out.
That's probably why I'm not a taxi driver.
Cheers!

I`m glad to see someone is proud of where they live.I too am very proud to say I was born and bred on The Manor.Although I now live in London I have nothing but fond memories of 22years on the Manor.Originally posted by Chloe
At the end of the day.. it's all personal preference. I personally wouldn't want to live anywhere other than where I live right now on 'The Manor'. (Where we're ALL so called YOBS!) Listen here you, don't tar us all with the same brush!! I don't give a damn where you live whether it be Ecclesall, Totley, Dore wherever. You all have the same MINORITY who deliberately go round causing trouble!! The MAJORITY of people around here are decent people so please don't go calling us all for the stupidity of just a few. It's not fair.
Chloé

where is the 'What is Sheffields BEST area' thread?
done a search but can't find it.
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Katya

Originally posted by blue-kat
where is the 'What is Sheffields BEST area' thread?
done a search but can't find it.
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Katya
Try this thread:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?threadid=1131

:thumbsup:

I cant get over what some people have been saying about the manor!!
how ignorant are some people, i live on the manor and i will continue to do so for many yrs to come because it's a great place to live and i love it,
So you can slag it all u like but i for 1 am happy to be living here.

To the person who mentioned people only live in this area because they can't afford anywhere else is absolute nonsense me and my gf both have very good and well paid job's and could move to most parts of the city no problem but i dont want to because i enjoy living here, now i will admit that there are some run down places here but can any1 tell me where there aint something run down?

Also a few of you mention the standard of living up here well i work with a hell of a lot of people from all walks of life and i have found 1 thing the so called deprived people have what the posh dont they own almost everything they have unlike the majority of the posh who's belongings are still owned by Credit cards finance company's and banks.

Finally i live here and i dont care what any1 else thinks because i'm happy and thats all that matters.

You tell em Manor Blade. No one should look down their nose at an area. Grandmother lived on Beumont Rd and I went to Pipworth Road for a while. Also in a home near Manor Park Centre (now closed I think). The areas also covered by my mum who liked to move at the drop of a hat, include Handsworth, bottom of Handsworth Road near Darnall , Attercliffe, near baths, Walkley,Crookes, Fir Vale and a short spell with an Aunt in Bridlington.

Nothing wrong with the Manor, just a lot off yuppies who dont know f... all.


Bill.


Up the Blades

Hackenthorpe, which is on birth cert. just for good measure!

Originally posted by Manorblade
I cant get over what some people have been saying about the manor!!
how ignorant are some people, i live on the manor and i will continue to do so for many yrs to come because it's a great place to live and i love it,
So you can slag it all u like but i for 1 am happy to be living here.

To the person who mentioned people only live in this area because they can't afford anywhere else is absolute nonsense me and my gf both have very good and well paid job's and could move to most parts of the city no problem but i dont want to because i enjoy living here, now i will admit that there are some run down places here but can any1 tell me where there aint something run down?

Also a few of you mention the standard of living up here well i work with a hell of a lot of people from all walks of life and i have found 1 thing the so called deprived people have what the posh dont they own almost everything they have unlike the majority of the posh who's belongings are still owned by Credit cards finance company's and banks.

Finally i live here and i dont care what any1 else thinks because i'm happy and thats all that matters.

Equally, I'm also entitled to my opinion, so everyones happy really.

next door to t020. Sorted.

Kitty Kat
I don't know which part of Rotherham you are from but there are a lot of decent kids and people who live on the Manor/Manor Park estates, although I agree that there is a proportion of vandalism etc happens around here just like any where else you can't say that we are all the same.

So in Rotherham you never have any trouble or anything bad happen?

Because of a lot of bad press in recent years the Manor has come under a lot of critiicism.
There are many organisations on the Manor working to improve things in a positive way.
We can do without people giving negative views all of the time
Come on Manor people,respond to this !!

Chloe
People from Ecclesall businesses also come up to the Manor to do their dumping / fly tipping . Why should we have to put up with their rubbish just cos they don't want to pay.
Thats how they make their money and make the Manor look a mess and Manor people get blamed for it.

Originally posted by Maureen
Kitty Kat
I don't know which part of Rotherham you are from but there are a lot of decent kids and people who live on the Manor/Manor Park estates, although I agree that there is a proportion of vandalism etc happens around here just like any where else you can't say that we are all the same.

So in Rotherham you never have any trouble or anything bad happen?

Because of a lot of bad press in recent years the Manor has come under a lot of critiicism.
There are many organisations on the Manor working to improve things in a positive way.
We can do without people giving negative views all of the time
Come on Manor people,respond to this !!


I'm fed up with the "just like anywhere else" argument. I'm sorry, but the amount of vandalism in places like the Manor ISN'T normal, and ISN'T just like anywhere else. Do you really think that places like Dore have the same sort of social problems just like the Manor? If so, why do people pay hundreds of thousands to live there? Yes, I'm sure the Manor has a majority of decent residents, but you can't deny that the minority of trouble makers there and places like it are the same proportion as they are in Dore and places like it. This is fact, not snobbery. If you think otherwise then quite frankly you're kidding yourself.

Originally posted by Carlwarker
You really are tiresome T, and, from your comments, you appear to be quite thick. If you read, and comprehend, my post regarding the Classic Rock Bar, you will see that I merely stated a FACT.

ie. that on the Sheffield Pub web-site, the address of the ‘Classic’ IS listed as ‘…Ecclesall Road, Ecclesall …’.

Now, that is a FACT, listed for all to see. I made no other comment on that particular posting. I was, however, playing the ‘devil’s advocate’, and you rose to the bait (as expected) like some poor little fish, not once, but several times.

As I stated in my response: ‘how sad…’.

There is nothing particularly ‘clever’ in my stating a fact, so that I would ‘back down’ from this is, obviously untrue. However, your method of ‘proof’, needs some ‘improoving’ (pun and spelling error intended). And as for my ‘eating humble pie’, well, I suggest that you have just got one straight in the face.

ps. I, actually, do prefer ‘that a rose IS called a rose’, even though Shakey is correct.
:P


Could you please explain exactly what you mean by 'stating a fact'?

You appear to have quoted from the Sheffield pub web-site assuming that they are infallible and that everything they say is one hundred percent accurate. You may have stated their facts, but those particular facts may be wrong. In that case, you have not stated a fact, but an inaccuracy.

P.S. When my local was the Nursery Tavern, was I in Ecclesall or somewhere else?