there is a growing problem with illegal off road bikers and none of these bikes are licenced . they should be brought inline with road vehicles and need a log book , insurence and the rider should have a valid bike licence to ride it. also the maximum penalty for illegal riding needs to be handed out to offenders. this penalty is a £5000 fin and or 6 months in prison.

there is a growing problem with illegal off road bikers and none of these bikes are licenced . they should be brought inline with road vehicles and need a log book , insurence and the rider should have a valid bike licence to ride it. also the maximum penalty for illegal riding needs to be handed out to offenders. this penalty is a £5000 fin and or 6 months in prison.


I disagree.

For a start, it is quite legal for kids too young to hold a licence to ride, off road, legally. If they are doing this, legally, in a controlled environment, there is no problem, and no need to change. Similarly unregistered bikes can be ridden legally, so I don't see any need to change the law.

The issue is illegal riding. Whether this is illegal bikes, uninsured and/or unlicenced riders on the road or on public land on which they are not allowed to ride, then the current laws already cover this. Insisting on insurance is irrelevant, as if they are riding where they shouldn't be, then I assume the insurance wouldn't be valid anyway. Those who already ride their uninsured, unregistered bikes to an off road location are already breaking the law.

The only bit I'm not sure about would be the situation where off road bikes are trailered to a private, legal course. I don't know if any third party type insurance would be apprpriate while riding at the off road site. I don't know if owners of such land need to insure the events.

its a nice idea, but in reality like many laws. all it would do is put more red tape in the lives of those people who are decent and law abiding anyway and would just be completely ignored by those who arent.

its a nice idea, but in reality like many laws. all it would do is put more red tape in the lives of those people who are decent and law abiding anyway and would just be completely ignored by those who arent.

maybe but if the maximum penaltys were handed out to illegal bikers ,then i feel this problem would improve no end.

there is a growing problem with illegal off road bikers and none of these bikes are licenced . they should be brought inline with road vehicles and need a log book , insurence and the rider should have a valid bike licence to ride it. also the maximum penalty for illegal riding needs to be handed out to offenders. this penalty is a £5000 fin and or 6 months in prison.

That makes no sense at all.
Why should bikes require those things when it's reasonable for people to use them on their own private property without.
Illegal use should be tackled within the existing framework, there's no need for over reaction.

That makes no sense at all.
Why should bikes require those things when it's reasonable for people to use them on their own private property without.
Illegal use should be tackled within the existing framework, there's no need for over reaction.

within the existing framework the penalties are there ,bt are not handed out by the courts. why ?

Illegal use should be tackled within the existing framework, there's no need for over reaction.

The problem is that the existing framework is not working, when a bike is sold it should be logged in the same way as a car is, its not a toy, its potentially a lethal weapon.

The problem is that the existing framework is not working, when a bike is sold it should be logged in the same way as a car is, its not a toy, its potentially a lethal weapon.

agreed , none of these bikes are traceable

within the existing framework the penalties are there ,bt are not handed out by the courts. why ?

How would I know? Take it up with your MP. Suggesting new legislation if the existing laws can't or aren't enforced isn't going to fix anything though.

The problem is that the existing framework is not working, when a bike is sold it should be logged in the same way as a car is, its not a toy, its potentially a lethal weapon.

I see what you mean regarding registering the owner, but the rest of the suggestions (insurance, license) don't apply to cars either, they can be bought and used on private land just the same as a dirt bike.

agreed , none of these bikes are traceable

Parents know what is going to happen with an off road bike so why do they buy them, personally I think it’s a misspent youth by their dads, sort of a pinning for their youth again.

It’s a bit like the beer bellied yobs you see shouting at kids playing Sunday league football, once a man , twice a boy.

Parents know what is going to happen with an off road bike so why do they buy them, personally I think it’s a misspent youth by their dads, sort of a pinning for their youth again.

It’s a bit like the beer bellied yobs you see shouting at kids playing Sunday league football, once a man , twice a boy.

these parents should be more responsible

You should get the 2008 award for the best wind up merchant. BTW Happy new year mate.:thumbsup:

You should get the 2008 award for the best wind up merchant. BTW Happy new year mate.:thumbsup:

Who is that aimed at; I am sure they would rather have the 2009 award:hihi:

there is a growing problem with illegal off road bikers and none of these bikes are licenced . they should be brought inline with road vehicles and need a log book , insurence and the rider should have a valid bike licence to ride it. also the maximum penalty for illegal riding needs to be handed out to offenders. this penalty is a £5000 fin and or 6 months in prison.

this will never happen, theres no need for it. The bikes are totally untraceable. And also as Eater Sundae has stated, kids ride bikes so how are they supposed to get a licence! I agree the issue has to be solved but this isnt the way! Im pretty sure this will contine to be an issue for many years to come.

Who is that aimed at; I am sure they would rather have the 2009 award:hihi:Mr Bean of cause.:hihi::hihi::hihi:

if the maximum penalty was enforced maybe they would think about doing it again .

You should get the 2008 award for the best wind up merchant. BTW Happy new year mate.:thumbsup:

it aint no wind up mate -these idiots must be stopped and the courts have the powers to deal with them severely but dont enforce the penalties. happy new year old boy. :thumbsup:

had a run in with a couple of blokes on quads in westwood this morning . they decided to go and load their quads on their pick up and leave . they then shouted to me "too late mate we are off " to which i replied - ive already photographed them riding , and loading their pick up ,and registration plate and faces. his face as a picture when he realized his company pick up -complete with name and address had been caught on camera.:thumbsup: i informed him he would be getting a visit from the police.

Like I said before unless there is some way you can proof the picture was taken at westwood its just your word.:rolleyes:

Like I said before unless there is some way you can proof the picture was taken at westwood its just your word.:rolleyes:

the back ground in the photos clearly shows where it was taken . along with the date and time. the police can and have acted on photographic evidence already in westwood. they were caught bang to rights im afraid.

the back ground in the photos clearly shows where it was taken . along with the date and time. the police can and have acted on photographic evidence already in westwood. they were caught bang to rights im afraid.I can set my date on the camera to what I want and all woods and waste ground looks alike.:thumbsup:

had a run in with a couple of blokes on quads in westwood this morning . they decided to go and load their quads on their pick up and leave . they then shouted to me "too late mate we are off " to which i replied - ive already photographed them riding , and loading their pick up ,and registration plate and faces. his face as a picture when he realized his company pick up -complete with name and address had been caught on camera.:thumbsup: i informed him he would be getting a visit from the police.

i certainly wouldnt recomend this type of behaviour unless you are 6foot 6 and built like a brick bog house! have you ever wondered what would happen if one of the bikers turned on you? I ride off road on legal lanes and land. we once had a run in with a notorious farmer in derbyshire. That turned rather nasty and ended a slight scuffle, the farmer was the aggressor by the way. I know many bikers who ride in illegal places and wouldnt think twice about pushing the camera in a certain orafice.

I can set my date on the camera to what I want and all woods and waste ground looks alike.:thumbsup:

all the police have to do is stand where i took the photo withthe photo in their hand and that tells them exactly where it was took . thats obvious.

i certainly wouldnt recomend this type of behaviour unless you are 6foot 6 and built like a brick bog house! have you ever wondered what would happen if one of the bikers turned on you? I ride off road on legal lanes and land. we once had a run in with a notorious farmer in derbyshire. That turned rather nasty and ended a slight scuffle, the farmer was the aggressor by the way. I know many bikers who ride in illegal places and wouldnt think twice about pushing the camera in a certain orafice.

your attitude speaks volumes about illegal bikers. wh get aggresive when challenged about your law breaking ? the only reason i can see is you KNOW you are in the wrong and have no arguement in defence of your action.
and if the person driving a black VW 4x4 on greaves lane inhigh green at 2.30pm today that was escorting an off road quad bike on the public highway ,your number plate and details have been passed to the police. yu were illegally follwing yur mate on the quad ,givng him safe assage on to westwood country park . so expect a knock on the door.

I've never heard of this charge of 'illegally following someone on the public highway'.

your attitude speaks volumes about illegal bikers. wh get aggresive when challenged about your law breaking ? the only reason i can see is you KNOW you are in the wrong and have no arguement in defence of your action.
and if the person driving a black VW 4x4 on greaves lane inhigh green at 2.30pm today that was escorting an off road quad bike on the public highway ,your number plate and details have been passed to the police. yu were illegally follwing yur mate on the quad ,givng him safe assage on to westwood country park . so expect a knock on the door.

you attitude speaks volumes about people who tar others with the same brush!! as i said i ride on LEGAL lanes and land!!! and you reply by saying i am breaking the law! That incident happened on a legal lane and the farmer may be related to you as he also hated motorcyclists.

Out of interest, where is it legal to ride an off road bike except private land or a specific track? (Private land with the owners permission I mean).

you can legally ride an off road motorbike on green lanes, there are quite a few in and around derbyshire. These lanes are still covered by laws as they are basically unsurfaced roads. So the bike needs to be taxed, insured, and the rider must have a license ect. Lots of legal lanes have been closed recently due to a law passed by the govenment. It seems walkers and ramblers ect arent happy to use 95% of paths that are closed to traffic so they want the last 5% closing to traffic as well.

your attitude speaks volumes about illegal bikers. wh get aggresive when challenged about your law breaking ? the only reason i can see is you KNOW you are in the wrong and have no arguement in defence of your action.
and if the person driving a black VW 4x4 on greaves lane inhigh green at 2.30pm today that was escorting an off road quad bike on the public highway ,your number plate and details have been passed to the police. yu were illegally follwing yur mate on the quad ,givng him safe assage on to westwood country park . so expect a knock on the door.

getting a bit delusional here . what do you want a driver to do, not drive behind a quad ?. the plods are humouring you benn. not saying your wrong but impossible to prove .

this thread has been locked in two other sections of the forum .
what's it got to do with sheffield sport ?.

Benn it's becoming a bit of an overkill . Give it a rest .

this thread has been locked in two other sections of the forum .
what's it got to do with sheffield sport ?.

Benn it's becoming a bit of an overkill . Give it a rest .

i tend to disagree. you may be happy for them to endanger the public ,but i for one wont accept it. these peple will be caught and prosecuted.

this thread has been locked in two other sections of the forum .
what's it got to do with sheffield sport ?.

Benn it's becoming a bit of an overkill . Give it a rest .

i think its like trainspotting for people who dont like trains, and really want to be a police officer :loopy:

Mr benn, why not take up building or something and build a wall around this land. That would stop the bikers rather than just taking snap shots.

i think its like trainspotting for people who dont like trains, and really want to be a police officer :loopy:

Mr benn, why not take up building or something and build a wall around this land. That would stop the bikers rather than just taking snap shots.

you would be amazed how many of these people are found by the police from the photos i take of them. most of the ones caught have criminal records.

Im not amazed in the slightest, however i will be amazed if you single handedly stop people from riding in this park. Or even if one of the people who get caught face £5000 fine/ and or 6 months in prison.

I drove along Greaves Lane, this pm. There were 2 vans parked near the entrance to Westwood- I don't know for certain why they were there, but I can guess.

Also just as I drove past an off road bike with no rear numberplate, 2-up, drove up and turned off the road towards the entrance. So, still some way to go, Mr Benn.

Im not amazed in the slightest, however i will be amazed if you single handedly stop people from riding in this park. Or even if one of the people who get caught face £5000 fine/ and or 6 months in prison.

im not saying i will ,i can only supply the police with the onfo on these people. i agree none of them will get the maximum penaly as its not enforced,which it should be every time. what i do know is that directly due to my info ,bikes have been siezed so my efforts are being rewarded.

I drove along Greaves Lane, this pm. There were 2 vans parked near the entrance to Westwood- I don't know for certain why they were there, but I can guess.

Also just as I drove past an off road bike with no rear numberplate, 2-up, drove up and turned off the road towards the entrance. So, still some way to go, Mr Benn.

it will take time but as ive said in previous post ,the police are acting on info recieved and bikes are being siezed. all i can do is keep giving info to the police.

Care to expand on this?

yu were illegally follwing yur mate on the quad
How do you illegally follow someone?
And get your 'O' key fixed.

if the maximum penalty was enforced maybe they would think about doing it again .

Do you seriously think riding a motorbike is a crime worthy of a £5k fine and 6 months in prison?

For example some recent cases of assault (a crime with a victim), all offenders received £100 fines, as reported in the star (http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Magistrates-court-report.4658692.jp).

Care to expand on this?


How do you illegally follow someone?
And get your 'O' key fixed.

the 4x4 was escorting the quad on a public road ,so the quad could get into westwood woods.

Do you seriously think riding a motorbike is a crime worthy of a £5k fine and 6 months in prison?

For example some recent cases of assault (a crime with a victim), all offenders received £100 fines, as reported in the star (http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Magistrates-court-report.4658692.jp).

thats the maximum penalty set out by the government for this crime. maybe if it was enforced this problem would improve .

the 4x4 was escorting the quad on a public road ,so the quad could get into westwood woods.

What crime would the driver (of the 4x4) be charged with?

What crime would the driver (of the 4x4) be charged with?

he was obviously with the quad rider who was riding illegally on a public road ,so at the very least he was aiding the rider to break the law

i certainly wouldnt recomend this type of behaviour unless you are 6foot 6 and built like a brick bog house! have you ever wondered what would happen if one of the bikers turned on you? I ride off road on legal lanes and land. we once had a run in with a notorious farmer in derbyshire. That turned rather nasty and ended a slight scuffle, the farmer was the aggressor by the way. I know many bikers who ride in illegal places and wouldnt think twice about pushing the camera in a certain orafice.
This quote just shows the sort of people you are dealing with Mr Benn!

he was obviously with the quad rider who was riding illegally on a public road ,so at the very least he was aiding the rider to break the law

Hmmm... I think you might be grasping a little bit there.
The quad rider was definitely breaking the law, both by riding on the road (if it wasn't a road legal quad) and then by riding in the park.
Someone following him though... I'm not sure that there's any offence for following someone who's breaking the law, even if you're actually with them.

For example, it's not a crime to accept a ride from a driver with no insurance.

This quote just shows the sort of people you are dealing with Mr Benn!

this is the usual sort of quote from illegal bikers my friend.

as i have said in my previous posts my friend, i ride on LEGAL LAND AND LEGAL LANES! You really need to be carefull with what you are saying as some of these statments could be classed as slander.

as i have said in my previous posts my friend, i ride on LEGAL LAND AND LEGAL LANES! You really need to be carefull with what you are saying as some of these statments could be classed as slander.

if anything ive said upsets you ,you obviously dont like the truth. i sat what i see day in day out. these people have no regard for the publics safety . you are the one who issued vaguely disguised threats in a earlier post. why do you have to be so aggresive when chalanged by someone who wants these illegal bikers prosecuted? i provide as much info as i can gather to the police.photos, vehicle registrations ETC

How did i vaguely issue a threat to you??? I simply pointed out to you what could occur! and a few posts later you said you had a run in with a biker! I havent been agressive. I can understand why you want this problem solving and i am not against you as some of these so called *bikers* give the rest of us a bad name.

[QUOTE=petwar;4490717]How did i vaguely issue a threat to you??? I simply pointed out to you what could occur! and a few posts later you said you had a run in with a biker! I havent been agressive. I can understand why you want this problem solving and i am not against you as some of these so called *bikers* give the rest of us a bad name.[/when challaged these people all have the same responce-threats of violence. but they dont put me off and ill continue to report and photo them

i havent threatend you with violence.

Parents know what is going to happen with an off road bike so why do they buy them, personally I think it’s a misspent youth by their dads, sort of a pinning for their youth again.

It’s a bit like the beer bellied yobs you see shouting at kids playing Sunday league football, once a man , twice a boy.

Thats not a true reflection,just your opinion.Many parents buy off road bikes for their children,and help them to go racing,(LEGALLY),at great expense,they spend vast amounts of money on machinery and all the protective clothing and they have to travel a long way to find licenced venues to let them race ,with all the facilities.
You should not tar everyone with an off road bike with the same brush.

i havent threatend you with violence.

a post you made the other day could have been read that way ,as commented on by another member.

I didn't look threatening to me, it specifically talked about illegal bikers and then went on to give an example of the poster riding legally and a farmer being aggressive.
To read a threat into that is quite difficult.

I didn't look threatening to me, it specifically talked about illegal bikers and then went on to give an example of the poster riding legally and a farmer being aggressive.
To read a threat into that is quite difficult.

i dont blame the farmer. as stated ,the biker was riding illegally.

That wasn't as stated at all. It was stated that he was riding legally on a green lane.

I ride off road on legal lanes and land. we once had a run in with a notorious farmer in derbyshire.

See. Always worth reading it properly.

See. Always worth reading it properly.

i think you will find if you check the law on this ,that ALL off road bikes riding on public roads and lanes are doingso illegally

You can have that argument with petwar, he thinks he's riding legally, you think it's illegal. 2 men enter the thunderdome and so on.

You can have that argument with petwar, he thinks he's riding legally, you think it's illegal. 2 men enter the thunderdome and so on.

im sure the police would check his legality

The police might make a guess and pass a file to the CPS, or they might even know and pass a file or not, but being experts on law isn't actually their job.

The police might make a guess and pass a file to the CPS, or they might even know and pass a file or not, but being experts on law isn't actually their job.

either way ,the more people harass these illegal bikers the better . if we can spoil there day out riding where they should not be ,that is goin in the right direction

The bike i was riding was a honda xr400. this bike is designed for off road use, but it is fitted with lights and a horn and is taxed tested and insured. So get off your high horse and read peoples posts properly and dont jump to conclusions!

The bike i was riding was a honda xr400. this bike is designed for off road use, but it is fitted with lights and a horn and is taxed tested and insured. So get off your high horse and read peoples posts properly and dont jump to conclusions!

if it has a number plate then fine ,no arguements .

and yes guess what!!!!!!!! it also has a numberplate!

and yes guess what!!!!!!!! it also has a numberplate!

your inthe minority mate ,most of them dont care about being legal

i disagree, it is a minority of bikers that ride illegaly. they just cause more trouble and stand out more than the rest of us

i disagree, it is a minority of bikers that ride illegaly. they just cause more trouble and stand out more than the rest of us

THERE IS A CHAP ON HERE WHO HAS BUILT A TRACK NEAR me ,but the council shut it saying he needs planning permision and it could cost £30 grand. this track is only 300 yards from the woods wher i report them. its not rocket science for the council is it. kill 2 birds with one stone.

the council will not put there names to a legal place to ride! Just think of the insurance when poor little jimmy falls off his bike and gets hurt! and then there are the problems such as noise, dust, traffic ect. Its not as simple as saying "here is some land to ride on, get on with it!" The main problem with this is parents. it would have to be down to them to pay for there kids to ride and ferrying them too and fro from the track. This would then mean they have to buy a van or trailer ect. I have been involved with a few motorcycling clubs and projects as well as cycle speedway clubs in norton and parsons cross/ wadsly bridge area. Some of the kids have a real interest in sports and some are really good and have talents! but in most cases, the parents arent bothered when it comes to them having to be involved. They would much rather let the kids go out and do it on there own which leads to the situation like you have. But the older people who ride there have no excuse!

the council will not put there names to a legal place to ride! Just think of the insurance when poor little jimmy falls off his bike and gets hurt! and then there are the problems such as noise, dust, traffic ect. Its not as simple as saying "here is some land to ride on, get on with it!" The main problem with this is parents. it would have to be down to them to pay for there kids to ride and ferrying them too and fro from the track. This would then mean they have to buy a van or trailer ect. I have been involved with a few motorcycling clubs and projects as well as cycle speedway clubs in norton and parsons cross/ wadsly bridge area. Some of the kids have a real interest in sports and some are really good and have talents! but in most cases, the parents arent bothered when it comes to them having to be involved. They would much rather let the kids go out and do it on there own which leads to the situation like you have. But the older people who ride there have no excuse!

there are plenty of older men doing it .last weekend a bloke was u there on a quad with his young lad (about 4 ) sat in front of him .niether had a helmet on .