Swfc now want to sell their training ground and build homes on it.

NIGHTMARE!!!

The traffic on Middlewood Road is already a nightmare and congested with the tram.We don't need more!!

Maybe if the scheme included a road which took traffic off Middlewood Road across the River Don and onto ClayWheels Lane..possibly.

250 homes planned....looks like I'll be setting off for work at about 6am now if that happens!!!

And all that will happen then is it will back log at the Lepping Lane Roundabout even more than it does now. The answer is to get rid of the bus gate at Hillsborough corner and then bring the traffic down onto Penistone Road at the Lexus garage (but the Council want to introduce bus lanes there!).

I have a question about this scheme to which I am genuinely interested.

The land is currently owned by Sheffield City Council and is leased to Sheffield Wednesday. Wednesday are hoping to generate £10 million from the scheme. I know you are allowed to sublet leases etc but how will putting houses on what is currently green land affect that lease? What happens when the lease runs out? And does the Council receive any of that £10 million or are us Council Tax payers effectively subsidising the scheme?

Wednesday are also wanting to move their training ground to Westfield School which I presume is also Council owned land. Are they purchasing the land at the going rate or are they leasing that as well at an appropriate rate? If the Middlewood scheme goes ahead, whats to stop Wednesday doing the same at the Westfield site in a few years time?

Anyone know?

Can I just add I would be interested to know the answers no matter which club was involved.

I can't help feeling that the timing of this planning application, just after the club has been promoted, is somewhat cynical to say the least.

I also think this scheme would be a traffic mightmare in an area which is already a traffic nightmare. And the fact that it's Bloors involved, who have ridden roughshod over every promise they made in respect of Wadsley Park Village, only makes it worse. Surely surely surely the council can't be daft enough to let this through. On the other hand...

The traffic on Middlewood Road is already a nightmare and congested with the tram.We don't need more!!

The training ground's on the Penistone Road side of the river, not the Middlewood side, so it'll be Penistone Road having an exta 700? cars pouring onto it.

I'm on my way to the Town Hall now to see if I can get my hands on the plans,.

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JGH

Originally posted by jgharston
The training ground's on the Penistone Road side of the river, not the Middlewood side, so it'll be Penistone Road having an exta 700? cars pouring onto it.

I'm on my way to the Town Hall now to see if I can get my hands on the plans,.

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JGH

Throws jghartson a map. River runs down back of training ground mate.

Obviously, SWFC don't need a training ground any more as they are a quality team and do not need to train.

I think it's a good idea that they've sold their training pitch and there will be new homes built on it. Won't be long before they do the same with their home ground hopefully.

Originally posted by MobileB
The land is currently owned by Sheffield City Council and is leased to Sheffield Wednesday. Wednesday are hoping to generate £10 million from the scheme. I know you are allowed to sublet leases etc but how will putting houses on what is currently green land affect that lease? What happens when the lease runs out? And does the Council receive any of that £10 million or are us Council Tax payers effectively subsidising the scheme?

Sounds like a good reason to stop paying council tax to me :)

I know some people who live around Middlewood and they're concerned that building on this land will lead to flooding in the surrounding area as it apparently forms a flood plain in bad weather. This viewpoint was raised when there were proposals for a supermarket to be built on the land.

It's hardly like Sheffield Council are going to stand in W*dn*sd*y's way is it now? W*dn*sd*y have some very big friends on the inside, as it were.

What do the people on Middlewood Road want putting on the training ground site. They object to the supermarket now they object to the homes. It's going to be built on at some stage by someone or somebody the longer it goes on the more chance your not going to like what is put on it.

Originally posted by desy
What do the people on Middlewood Road want putting on the training ground site. They object to the supermarket now they object to the homes. It's going to be built on at some stage by someone or somebody the longer it goes on the more chance your not going to like what is put on it.

How about something green! :clap:

Originally posted by Hook
How about something green! :clap:

Why should they move the ground up the road!

I don't think the argument is for what gets built as such, more for the effects on the transport. Seriously, if you don't travel that route you've got no idea. It can take me as long to get from motorway to Hillsbr' Park as it does to get from park to home on Wadsley Park Village!!! I think if this side of town is to be developed, then town planners must look at the already terrible transport access - will it encourage house sales and business start-ups if the traffic continues? I doubt it.

Originally posted by desy
Why should they move the ground up the road!

Why can't they just turn the training ground into local public facilities? At home they're moving a private school with excellent tennis courts, a swimming pool, a sports hall, canoeing etc etc up the road. They're bulldozing the current facilities and building houses.

My local town has no public facilities, there's no public tennis courts, no public playing fields... it's all run by private companies. The only exception being the local schools, but you have to book this around the schools own plans, and the only one with an all weather pitch is booked 24/7 with the schools own sportscoach, and the school leagues they set up.

If only they were to keep the facilties on the current site, and build the houses around it, it'd be a breath of fresh air for the town.

Of course maybe there's enough facilities around hillsborough. I don't know the area that well!

The transport in that direction has been bad for years since the late 60's early 70's e.g Winn Gardens when it was built. The fighting for better transport routes should have been done then and it never was. I had a chance to move in that direction and that was the reason I went to live in the other direction, therefore those who moved that way out should have thought about it then. All the houses and transport that came with it are long established. The attempt to funnel traffic away from homes has not worked therefore the next move would be to compulsary purchase homes and shops and widen the infirmary/Langsett /Middlewood Roads to relieve it. I don't think that people will like that. Is the sale of this land going to solve the traffic problem already on it NO.

desy..you say transport has been a problem since the late 60's and early 70's so WHY should we add to it further ????. It's become even worse with the building of Wadsley park Village on the old hospital grounds.

Why should we residents have to endure more?

The simple fact is if SWFC weren't in debt they wouldnt be flogging the training ground!! But because they are its us residents again that are gonna suffer! This proposal by SWFC shows once again there total disregard for the community.Already on match days are streets become unofficial car parks and no go areas/toilets!

Why don't wednesday show how community minded they are and build a multi story carpark for there supporters? Ha Ha no no that won't get them their £10 million would it?

They sell the ground..make their money..Bloor throw the houses up and Midlewood has the effe3cts for years to come.

Supertram will take even longer,as soon as it leaves the terminus it'll have to slow down cos of an access road,traffic coming from Hillsboro will stop on the main road to turn right to access the site.More delays.

Can local schools cope with more children?

Should we have to endure more car fumes,tail backs,delays.

What about the wildlife on the banks of the river?

And it'll do sod all for the local economy because 90% of our local shops are take aways.Gone is the post office,bank,grocerers,butchers (like most communities)

The share holders should be made to sort their own debts own not inflict further misery on us.They are happy enough to cream the profit off when the clubs ridin high.

Objections to this scheme can be made in writing to your local hillsborough councillors or

Vernon Faulkner
Floor 5
Howden House
1,Union Street
Sheffield S1 SH

I know some people are gonna hate me for saying this but i do agree with wednesday selling ther training ground...... but b4 you lot get the knifes out i would just like to say that i also like my green spaces, i grew up in a small house near swfc, and know what its like at hillsbrough, to me there is a need for more homes at hillsbrough (id like one) but there is also plenty of other land to build on, so it comes down to the club just wanting to sell the training ground for cash, not true.... wednesday do need some where better to train, other top teams have much better training facilities. so whats the harm in moving the training ground??? just because its a home builder that wants to buy the middlewood site, to build new homes on it everyone complaines.... all the moaning to me seems to come from people worried about cars etc: i dont have a car so why cant i live at hillsbrough?

I don't have a car either and I live 10 seconds from the training ground.It's the extra traffic created by this proposal that is the problem!!

I have to use public transport to get around....like i said earlier in the morning rush hour the tram gets stuck in this traffic and takes about 12 mins to get from Middlewood to Hillsbro. It's really great having to get up and leave home 30 mins early to take this into account.

More houses = more cars=more congestion=more air pollution.

Sold training ground=SWFC £10 million less debt=Middlewood residents screwed again.

Hey madowl if you wanna come and live at Hillsbro..join us..I saved up my deposit,got a mortgage..easy..then when you are residents you can really appreciate the problem and how the training ground homes plan will add to it

I agree with Sererpus, I would happily accept a multi storey carpark which might make my life as a local resident a little eaiser on match days. But I object to more houses in an already built up area with congestion problems.

Madowl, I'm not sure why you can't find a house to live in in this area. There are a lot for sale around here and some are under £90,000 which is quite hard to find in Sheffield. The new houses will probably start at around £130,000 and that will be for a 2 bed apartment.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by semerpus
[B]The simple fact is if SWFC weren't in debt they wouldnt be flogging the training ground!!

Not fully true. Wednesday also want to build a new training ground otherwise they may lose Academy status. I've not seen the current facilities but believe they are not up to scratch.

As an Owl my hopes are on the sale, however i do agree that the Council together with SWFC need to address any transport issues.

Originally posted by thomsongirl
I agree with Sererpus, I would happily accept a multi storey carpark which might make my life as a local resident a little eaiser on match days. But I object to more houses in an already built up area with congestion problems.

Madowl, I'm not sure why you can't find a house to live in in this area. There are a lot for sale around here and some are under £90,000 which is quite hard to find in Sheffield. The new houses will probably start at around £130,000 and that will be for a 2 bed apartment. Im after a 4bed and theres not to many of those around....

Originally posted by MobileB
Throws jghartson a map. River runs down back of training ground mate.
Yes, you're right. I was picturing the Niagra grounds. The SWFC ground is between Dudley Road and Thorne Lea, opposite Marion Road.

I've spoken to Planning who have said "we've only just received the application, we haven't entered it into the system yet, so you won't be able to look at the application for about a week" :(

The application reference is:
05/02016/OUT
Erection of 250 dwellinghouses
Sheffield Wednesday Football Club Training Ground
Middlewood Road
Sheffield
S6 4HA

The UDP lists the area as Open Space (Leisure & Recreation), so any application for housing has to demonstrate why a departure from the Plan should be allowed.

Any application over 42-ish homes requires a certain number of "affordable" properties.

Developments alongside rivers should provide public riverside access.

Residential developments over a certain size should show how the impact on schools is handled, and on the road network.

I would expect any development around this area to take account of and integrate with proposals to upgrade Claywheels Lane/Beeley Wood Lane and the link Beeley Wood Lane to Middlewood Road near Middlewood Grange so through traffic isn't forced down Catch Bar Lane.

I'll update people as I get hold of info.

[1]UDP - Unitary Development Plan - The statement of prefered land uses and planning priorities, etc.

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thanks for that some interesting points

Originally posted by madowl
Im after a 4bed and theres not to many of those around....

4 beds are quite rare in Hillsborough and I imagine most of the City as well.

theres a picture of the plans in our free local paper.

access is planned off middlewood road more or less where the enterance to the training ground is now.

planning application number is 05/02016/out


objections to be made in writing to
vernon faulkner
planning dept,
howden house,
union st,
sheffield s1.

get writing.....

I'm a Middlewood resident and have been asked for my 'comments' by the council regarding this 'proposed' development. I'm literally a stones throw from the training ground, in effect someone's new back garden...

Will any comments actually be taken on board, or will it be a case of "Thanks for your interest, but we are going to disregard anybody else's views and go ahead with the sale anyway". :suspect:

Why on earth can't SW just develop/build further within the training grounds? Why is there the need to shift address?

I don't like the thought of a new housing estate similar to the new one across the road being hastily put up, cramming them in, as many as possible into the small space.

Aren't the training grounds a manky old landfill site??

I live near the site and cant wait for them to sell and build houses.

The increase in traffic will be hardly noticeable especially if the plans include a link to clay wheels lane.


All the rest of you stop moaning about it.

boo hoo a few more cars in the morning, diddums

what are you going to do with the extra 5 mins at home anyway?


if you dont like it MOVE! simple.

Doesnt bother me,

but was gutted they didnt sell to asda as i love asda and george, i travel to handsworth at the mo which is a pain.

All those wingin residents said it would disrupt traffic etc ... wot a load of rubbish they'd have made an access roads so it would probably ended up easing congestion in the end .

Originally posted by mer1002
they'd have made an access roads so it would probably ended up easing congestion in the end
Currently the only proposed access road would be where the entrance to the training ground car park is.

Originally posted by kimera
if you dont like it MOVE! simple.
Nice arrogant attitude there :rolleyes: Does this comment also come from someone who has a lack of understanding about the whole moving home process and issues?

Looks like there not going to get planning permission.

United Fans =:clap:

Wednesday Fans =:help:

Source please, or just rumour.

.

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/

Main headline on tomorrows Telegraph.


That good enough for ya

So thats us stood out side hillsborough with cap in hand at next match then?:loopy:

:wow: Thats marvellous.. and I honestly have to say I didn't think that would happen. What a pleasant suprise! :partyhat:

It only states "face" not actually vetoed. The next step will be for the planners to put it to the council vote, by which time SWFC are ready to lobby 40000 petitions for sale to go through.

You heard it here first.

Yeh 40,000 sig's - of which 40,000 are biased Wednesday supporters :suspect:

What about the factor that they don't even own the land, sure they could sell the lease on I guess? but they don't own the land?

It'll prob go through anyway, after all, wednesday & the council might as well all go under the one name :). No doubt the star will get a support lobby together too :gag:

i hope swfc fall flat on their greedy corporate ass with this one..they've allowed Middlewood/Hillsborough residents to put up with enough crap and inconvienience over the years.Lets hope the council see sense and kick it out

to be honest if swfc didnt exist a lot of shops in the hilsbrough area would shut down just think of all the trade the pubs would lose for a start

Originally posted by semerpus
i hope swfc fall flat on their greedy corporate ass with this one..they've allowed Middlewood/Hillsborough residents to put up with enough crap and inconvienience over the years.Lets hope the council see sense and kick it out

I'm afraid the club were there before nearly everything and everybody else.
Hillsborough is "Sheffield Wednesday"......and
Sheffield Wednesday is "Hillsborough"

Originally posted by SheffBloke
I'm afraid the club were there before nearly everything and everybody else.
Hillsborough is "Sheffield Wednesday"......and
Sheffield Wednesday is "Hillsborough" :clap: :clap: :clap: well said!

Quote: "In early april 1899 a share issue was introduced to help raise the sum of £5,000 for a site at Owlerton"

In those days it was no more than fields and meadows... so if people dont like living near a footie ground why dont (they move)??

UP THE OWLS!

If the Owls and Bloor Homes do not "significantly change their direction", then councillors may follow the advice of their officers and reject the plans.

Full Sheffield Star article is here. (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1141564)

Originally posted by Henrietta

Nice arrogant attitude there does this remark come from someone who only cares for themselves?

if you dont like living near a footie ground, why live near one etc? And whats so wrong with wanting new homes in hillsborough?? id love one.... why dont all those who are against the plans leave and let us that would like to live next to a footie ground move in....? a few more cars......:suspect: theres places all over this city that have problems with too many cars but while we.... as humans cant live without the 4 wheels we must be willing to pay the price of too many cars on our streets, but we do need more new homes, cars are just something that comes with some people.....


Quote:
??? "lack of understanding about the whole moving home process and issues" ??? (((Did you understand the issues b4 you moved in close to a footie/training ground???))) The ground etc: was there b4 the houses:"Moden" Hillsborough, "was built around the ground:"

Just seems to me like its a case of "not in my back yard":loopy:

New homes are definately the way forward & the key way
to embrace investment, but at what cost.

The residents who live there should have a key say in the matter.Travel is a key element for most.

We need the council to start using our Council tax more wisely, like a new travel network around Hillsborough.The tram alone does not solve travel issues in this area.

Its time to think of the people that already live there!!!

Either way the club have got to move out of Middlewood Road - if they want to keep their academy status so its a bit of a double edged swords for the local residents even though some of them don't realise it...

1. You get houses and some landscaping done on the site - keeps property prices fairly stable whilst providing more badly needed homes in the area.

or

2. The club let the site become derelict, it becomes a magnet for crime, dumping and other less sociable habits- drugs, prostitution (the city council have already said they are looking to move them out of Shalemoor due to the effect on the new developments there) so they'd not be opposed to it as its out of the way. Property prices for existing residents plummet.

Want to get a bit of an insight into how it will be check out 'Winn Gardens'

:thumbsup:

Well done the nimbys!

nice bit of scaremongoring there! Having lived here for the last 40 years I've seen SWFC show a blatant disregard for us residents. Maybe....as your user name is internetowl you have more concern about the precious club than the local residents,who pay their council tax and deserve better than wot we have at the moment.

might happen.....:thumbsup: are you willing to take the chance?

yeah m8 after all the crap we've taken from SWFC it'd make a pleasent change!

did you buy your house before the football club existed?

therefore you've only got yourself to blame - fancy buying a house near a football crowd and not expecting a bit of disruption on match day - it makes you wonder....it could have been much worse - if you\'d have bought one by Brammall Lane - it'd smell of pig **** too....

NOOOOOOOOOOOO we should do a protest on this y do sheffield wednesday want to sell there ground then we have to go to the piggy matches i am not haveing this at all it isnt fair on the wendesday supporters xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:cry:

Originally posted by Internetowl
did you buy your house before the football club existed?


That's a bit like saying if you buy a house anywhere near a steelworks or a factory then they can pump all manner of **** all over you and when you complain, all you get is 'Well, you've only yourself to blame, the steelworks was there first".

I don't think anyone's really complaining about match day disruption on this thread, they're complaining about the fact that we may soon get a vast new housing estate with all its associated problems of traffic, schools overload, etc etc, foisted upon us just to get Wednesday out of a financial hole that is entirely of their own making. Perhaps if they'd signed some decent players (or even got the players, and managers, to perform to the level they did at other clubs) then they wouldn't be in that hole. Surely if anyone's 'only got themselves to blame', it's Sheffield Wednesday.

It's only a football club, anyway - let them go to the wall and then we'll see whether Hillsborough can survive without them. I think the answer would be yes - why shouldn't it, there are plenty of other suburbs without a football club and they do OK.

Panic over: http://www.sheffieldwednesday.com/

Well the site will become derelict then - the club have to move their 'training facilities' in order to regain their academy status - Middlewood is not an option.

Then the chavs, junkies and ladies of the night move in...it'll become a dogging hotspot...

Should improve property prices no end but at least the traffic will be lighter even if it is coming all day and all night...

:o

Wednesday go to the wall the ground is pulled down as well as the training ground. then on instead of one housing estate theres two .(OR) Both become a hall of residence for the students and you get even more problems than at Broomhill and that side of the city.

Great ain't it! :heyhey: :heyhey: :heyhey:

They deserve students....and all those fast food shops that follow students about - and all night parties, an increase in street crime (students are easy pickings) and drugs....

:thumbsup:

just think of all that extra policing you will lose on matchdays then theres all the takeaways pubs other shops that will lose out

Well actually if it was their actual playing ground that Wednesday were trying to flog off and build houses on, I wouldn't be quite so bothered. If they built a new stadium out in the Dearne Valley somewhere and then sold off Hillsborough, it wouldn't be so bad.

True, we might get a new housing estate there, but it would presumably be classed as a brownfield site; it would presumably exit onto a dual carriageway main road (Penistone Rd) rather than up at Middlewood (thus taking care of the problems which might mean building a link road and bridge up Claywheels Lane); and residents would be happy because they wouldn't get all the match day chaos they get at the moment.

As for getting even more problems than at Broomhill... I don't see Hillsborough house prices exactly outperforming those in Broomhill at the moment, and I don't see Broomhill as a particularly undesirable place to live either.

metalman..you are a voice of sanity amongst the ramblings of madmen