what do you think the likelyhood of a completion of trial what with all the sensationalist media coverage?:(

I don't see any reason that the trial wouldn't be completed. There is a huge amount of information that the press hasn't revealed about this case, a lot of it pretty gruesome and shocking. Ever since the bodies were found and Huntley was arrested the media have been very restrained in terms of what they have reported (not that haven't been working slavishly in the background on documentaries for when the trial concludes).
You also have to remember that the reason for the saturation coverage last year wasn't just because it was a slow news month, the police were deliberately using the media to try and find the girls.

The media will have no baring on the outcome of this trial.
Huntley will be charged on forensic evidence something which no media can change, or alternatively released due to the lack of it.

Originally posted by ianm
what do you think the likelyhood of a completion of trial what with all the sensationalist media coverage?:(

Enlighten me as to how this is 'SHEFFIELD' Related Chat though?

Originally posted by t020
Enlighten me as to how this is 'SHEFFIELD' Related Chat though?

A valid point. Moving it to General chat.

I've read that Huntley and Carr have changed their names at some point. I'd be interested to know why. It's not the sort of thing that most of us get around to doing, is it?

Also, Huntley's past record (if he has one) will be only be revealed if he is found guilty.

What do people think about this?

Sky News have a service where you can sign up to get "Text Alerts" of the latest news from the trial.

Two questions - why? and is it acceptable for them to make money out of this?

Yeah, they've only just started wheeling out the forensic evidence, and he's already pretty much admitted they died in his house anyway.

Are there any other grounds apart from insanity that means he won't get a murder charge? I can't see self defence being a likely angle, and short of the girls somehow killing each other or committing suicide, which let's face it, isn't very probable, I'm not sure what other defence he can put up.

Was it really necessary to release the photos of the remains of their clothes to the press?

Huntley has accused the former caretaker of murdering the two girls and he who had his job, was sacked because of an inapprpriate relationship with a thirteen year old girl at the school.

Could it just be possible that the girls were alive when they left Huntleys house and the former caretaker met them and killed them?

Halevan

Huntley has admitted that the girls died in his house.

I don't see what defense he can come up with. I could sort of believe it if it was just 1 girl that had died but how could 2 girls die as a result of an accident?

Originally posted by ianm
what do you think the likelyhood of a completion of trial what with all the sensationalist media coverage?:(
What I find bad is the way the BBC (and others) feel the need to go in to specific details. For example, last night they were talking about the girl's clothes and they said that one of the girls had "Princess" written on her knickers... this seems uncalled for and surely they only included it to make people feel worse about what is already a horrific crime.

Why do they (the BBC et al.) feel the need to do this?! :mad:

Amazingly, he has actually gone for the accidental death line of defense:

see ananova (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_841537.html?menu=news.latestheadlines)

Originally posted by Mike
Amazingly, he has actually gone for the accidental death line of defense:

see ananova (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_841537.html?menu=news.latestheadlines) Seriously... who's ever going to believe a story like that? :loopy:

Originally posted by Tony Ruscoe
Seriously... who's ever going to believe a story like that? :loopy:

Thankfully, nobody.

Originally posted by Lickszz
I've read that Huntley and Carr have changed their names at some point. I'd be interested to know why. It's not the sort of thing that most of us get around to doing, is it?

Also, Huntley's past record (if he has one) will be only be revealed if he is found guilty.

That is just a rumour, I spent my last 1 and a half school years in the same form as "that monster" under Mr Tyzscka (Polish) at Immingham school. Maxine lived 4 miles away in keelby, dont know her, have frinds that do.

prediction: She will get a new identity, never see her again, maybe a sentance also.

fact: He was abused by his parents as a child.

prediction: He is way F*in *****ed.

Originally posted by Geoff
What I find bad is the way the BBC (and others) feel the need to go in to specific details. For example, last night they were talking about the girl's clothes and they said that one of the girls had "Princess" written on her knickers... this seems uncalled for and surely they only included it to make people feel worse about what is already a horrific crime.

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points out the fact that they had been stripped naked at some point.

what is also irregular is that the jury were given a tour of the girls last known movements, and shown into huntleys `BEDroom`.

One thing I do know is after what little I know about the case, after that sort of tour, I would want him as guilty.

coincidence?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3312551.stm

He's been found guilty of Murdering both girls.... now the **** can f****** rot!

Ian Huntley has been found guilty of the murders of Soham schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
Maxine Carr, 26, was convicted at the Old Bailey of conspiring to pervert the course of justice and cleared of assisting an offender.

I hope he rots in hell,but chances are he will get a nice cushy cell with t v ,radio etc,etc.

Originally posted by ian smith
I hope he rots in hell,but chances are he will get a nice cushy cell with t v ,radio etc,etc.

It's unlikely his cell mates will have much time for him apart from when they beat him to a bloody pulp.

He may find himself in solitary confinement for his own protection. And suicide watch, although I suspect the Prison Officers don't always discharge that duty with equanimity.

Exactly - his chances of surviving a full life term are slim I'd have thought - prison isn't really known as being kind on child killers, especially now all his previous allegations for rape and child-abuse are in the clear.

So, TV or no TV, I doubt his life inside will be a cushy one.

Originally posted by Mike
Exactly - his chances of surviving a full life term are slim I'd have thought - prison isn't really known as being kind on child killers, especially now all his previous allegations for rape and child-abuse are in the clear.

So, TV or no TV, I doubt his life inside will be a cushy one.
Why will his chances be slim? Myra Hinley and Ian Brady seemed to cope OK!

And they were equally as dispicable... if not more!

Presumably Brady and Hindley were never in contact with other prisoners?

I'm thinking of the case from a few years back where a particularly nasty paedophile (can't remember his name) was killed by fellow prisoners.

I would imagine he'll be in isolation for sometime. Then again, he's been 'inside' for a while so has adapted to life in there. The inmates will have no doubt met him and offered their opinions already. I wonder if he'll go back to the same prison where he has been already. He may 'fit in ' there better if the others are used to him.

If he goes elsewhere I suppose they'll keep him apart for a while and then introduce him to the rest - child killers are usually put in wings and prisons together.

I hope they stick him in a trench, cut his clothes off him and pour petrol over him and wave goodbye........but we are too humane in this country to do that.

Maxine Carr could be released in 30 days on the electronic tagging curfew scheme as she's been well behaved.

Was she sucked in by Huntley and a victim of his charismatic evil streak or is she as bad as him? Does she deserve to be out so soon?

Personally I think not, she should be kept in for a while longer. It just prolonged the suffering of the parents and friends while they tried to find Huntley. She's been sentenced and should stay inside for a lot longer than another 30 days. The public would go crazy!

Well, so long as he's off the streets - that's the main thing. I would argue that a life sentence is a far greater punishment than any form of death penalty, but that's just my opinion.

Hopefully the inquiry that is being launched as a result of this case will bring about an improvement in the vetting procedures for those who are allowed to work alongside children.

Originally posted by Geoff
What I find bad is the way the BBC (and others) feel the need to go in to specific details. For example, last night they were talking about the girl's clothes and they said that one of the girls had "Princess" written on her knickers... this seems uncalled for and surely they only included it to make people feel worse about what is already a horrific crime.
Originally posted by venger
points out the fact that they had been stripped naked at some point.
Err... no it doesn't!

The knickers may have been found off the body, on the body, in his car, wherever... what the knickers looked like or said is not vital information for the general public.

The fact the BBC made a point of telling people they said "Princess" was included purely to pull a few heart strings and make people think how horrific the whole thing is. Personally I find this type of thing unnecessary as it doesn't exactly add anything of value to the report.

So he has been given a life sentence. How long do we reckon that will be then? 5 years, 10, 25 or for the rest of his life?
How long do you think it should be?

And should he be in a prison with a nice cell with a tv and playstation, and in a prison with a fully equiped library with internet and computer access, fully equiped gym and pool table to play with his new mates. Be able to have better meals than they provide for our school kids, and free education. Be paid for any jobs he does and be able to have family bring him whatever he requires. The only thing they don't get now is to walk away at the end of the day, but then again they will let him out for Xmas and weddings and funerals.

Sorry but in my opinion you go to prison to be punished and realise what you did was wrong. The only thing he should come out for is his own funeral, and the sooner the better.

Has anyone seen what Rampton looks like lately? Not like a prison.

Yeah yeah, I'm sure prison is a right laff :rolleyes:

Originally posted by fuzzy purple


Has anyone seen what Rampton looks like lately? Not like a prison.

AFAIK Rampton isn't a prison, it's a hospital so I guess that's hardly surprising :)

What is the desired purpose of prison? Retribution, Rehabilitation, Punishment or Excommunication?

Originally posted by Mike
Yeah yeah, I'm sure prison is a right laff :rolleyes:

Maybe not, but staying in what is basically a downmarket hotel that you're not allowed to leave is not sufficient punishment for a child murderer, and probably all of the other things he has been accused of. Prison should be like hell for the inmates - Huntley deserves to really suffer, for the rest of his life. Where life = life. Not a quarter of it.

Can you imagine if theyd let him go free hed probably be dead by now - prisons the best place for him. Say what you will about it being a 'nice' place but the main point is to keep him away from other kiddies. anyway, Im sure the prisoners wont let him off lightly.

Burn ******* Burn!

The best outcome would be for him to eventually tell the parents of the two children exactly what occurred in his house.

They will want to know the details of how the girls died and what he did to them beforehand, if anything. Until they do, they will never be able to even begin to put this behind them.

Imho, the prison system should be working towards this goal, and be far less concerned with any punitive measures that many members of the public would want to see taken instead.

Originally posted by fuzzy purple
And should he be in a prison with a nice cell with a tv and playstation, and in a prison with a fully equiped library with internet and computer access, fully equiped gym and pool table to play with his new mates.

I dont wish to quibble and I am pleased they found him guilty.

But prisons are not as described. My mother is a volunteer prison visitor and visits those offenders who nobody else would visit. Blokes a bit like Huntley in some cases, although the prison officers dont go into detail about what they have done...

Anyway, in the prison she does her visiting, they dont even have electricity in the cells, never mind TVs or playstations. The batteries for their radios cost more than a week's allowance so they often dont have a radio. They get their breakfast at 4pm at night, ready for the following morning, cos they are locked up most of the time. Of course they eat it long before breakfast tomorrow so are always hungry.

She took some books to the library, which is poorly stocked, some second hand ones, so that her prisoners could read them, but they either disappeared out of the cupboard before anyone saw them or never made it there to start with.

I am not saying prisons should be better or worse (not in this thread anyway) but the idea that it is all marvellous and full of high tech modern facilities is a bloody joke.

Go and visit someone and find out for yourself

(The prison she visits is ten years old, not 150 years old, they are even worse)

A handful of pub customers have told me that they have been inside in Doncatraz and there are TVs in the room and they can work for pay if they wish. More relaxed.

I suppose some prisons are tighter than others.

Being stuck in cell with a TV for 23 hours a day is probably better than being stuck inside the same cell without one, but it's still not exactly a barrel of laughs.

Anyway, we're all getting away from the original topic here.

I wonder what will become of Maxine Carr once she's released. If I was her I'd try to emigrate.

Originally posted by Mike
I wonder what will become of Maxine Carr once she's released. If I was her I'd try to emigrate.

There's an article in today's Gruniad (there's a surprise) speculating on this:

Maxine's future (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1109101,00.html)

See if you can spot mention of our friend roy.:D