My word !

I browse the posts on here .

As far as I know we all hate politicians.

Why do some in Sheffield support the same ?

Unless they are the politicians themselves.

Is Sheffield somewhat different ?

To put it another way.

Why do some in Sheffield support their local politicians ?

From reading between the lines i can see that you have had a hard time with the powers that be but you are starting to get very boring.
Instead of having a go at some poor <REMOVED> on a forum and some other people who stand and get elected in local politics have a go at the things that will make a change.

Ooh carcrash ! Very bitchy.


All I will say is that I would not wish what happened to my family on you or anyone else.

And YES your local politicians were to blame, by trying to save money, and in effect legislating on something they know nothing about, the plight of ex-forces, who suffer shellshock/PTSD.

They were a major cause of my brothers death.

Originally posted by petebarker
To put it another way.

Why do some in Sheffield support their local politicians ?

Perhaps because they voted for them?

And YES your local politicians were to blame, by trying to save money, and in effect legislating on something they know nothing about,

Local politicians can't legislate, only national politicians can legislate.

--
JGH

Speaking of politicians, it was interesting to hear LORD KINNOCK bleating on the radio a couple of days ago saying that the European union has not been explained well enough to the people and it should be explained better to make the people more aware of what they do for us in Europe.
This will make it better for us to vote in the hopefully forthcoming referendum as we will understand better what the MEPs and Europe actually do.

Reading quite cynically between the lines, perhaps LORD KINNOCK is a little worried because if we all vote NO as have the French and the Dutch then he might have a little less easy ride than he has been having of late along with all his other mates, like Peter Mandelson.

Mandelson is now an EU Trade advisor or something like that.

How on earth can he be entrusted to sort out trade negotiations and deals when he cannot complete a simple mortgage application form without getting confused.

If any of us had got as confused with their multiple mortgage applications as he did then they would no doubt be doing time behind bars and would certainly not have been reselected for a prime job earning big money for little in Europe.:rant: :rant:

I also note that as the French have now voted No to the constitution, according to their President Chirac, it is now our fault as the agreement was written up in an Anglo French style and did them no favours.

Perhaps we should have kept our noses out of France 60yrs ago and simply defended our coastlines and left them to it.
They seem to favour the Germans better than us anyway and the way it is going , Germany will create one large super state of Europe where they will have a major say in what goes off, which is something they have tried to do twice in the past using bombs and bullets in a war time scenario and have failed to do

Originally posted by petebarker
Ooh carcrash ! Very bitchy.


All I will say is that I would not wish what happened to my family on you or anyone else.

And YES your local politicians were to blame, by trying to save money, and in effect legislating on something they know nothing about, the plight of ex-forces, who suffer shellshock/PTSD.

They were a major cause of my brothers death.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother's death, but let's get a few things straight. Unless Sheffield City Council is suddenly the Ministry of Defence, I don't see how they can be held responsible for funding of support for ex-forces.

I believe quite strongly that we don't look after our veterans well enough. But to blame local politicians is counterproductive. On this forum you have a potential audience of 12,000 people. Wading in at why we're all fools for supporting local politicians is unlikely to get you useful support.

If you don't like the local political structure, you can always stand yourself as an independent councillor - or even as an independent candidate in a future General Election.

As was pointed out by Churchill, democracy is a lousy system but it's the best of a bad lot.

I'm not a big van of big government, big business or even big charity (sorry Sir Bob) but sometimes you have to work with these institutions to get things done. Quite often it seems that people would rather scream from the touchlines or advocate 'right on' but impractical pipe dreams of revolutionary change than actually work with the system to change it from within.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
...I'm not a big van of big government, big business or even big charity (sorry Sir Bob) but sometimes you have to work with these institutions to get things done. Quite often it seems that people would rather scream from the touchlines or advocate 'right on' but impractical pipe dreams of revolutionary change than actually work with the system to change it from within.

Joe
Joe, I like it, and agree 100% with what you say above (including Sir Bob, sorry).

:thumbsup:

I've got a real problem with the name "Bob" I jsut can't say it anymore without going into a Blackadder sound-alikey and then i start to giggle ... :help:

Local politicians don't legislate ?

It was the local authorities who tried to save money by NOT giving my brother the specialist treatment that he needed in Sheffield.

Do you know why the homeless in the UK are about 70% ex-forces ? This is unacceptable.

I asked Defence Minister Geoff Hoon, at a Rochdale RBL private meeting, before the last but one GE, about the issue of CERTAIN areas, NOT supporting our troops, who are suffering from their service to the Country.

Hoon knew full well that certain areas, particularly Labour areas, have a bad record of NOT supporting the troops.

Hoon was made to look like an idiot by left-wing MP Jim Dobbin for Heywood. One of Dobbins constituents was a sufferer of shellshock/PTSD and was with him.

Those who dont vote ought to keep their opinions to them selves,I have liitle time for those who carp on about matters yet cant or wont bother to vote.
If you do have strong beleifs then DO SOMETHING about it.

Originally posted by Hook
Just for the record, your posts are incredibly infuriating. You're posting your opinions, backed up by no facts. I dont see a single fact ANYWHERE in your arguements, and they're based on your incredible naive and biased views.

I'm dropping back outta this now, since I know you'll never see the light of day, and redrobbo, maybe it's best just to leave this guy to his own little world.. he'll never see clearly :(
I'm with you on this one Hook, make sure the kettle's on.

:thumbsup:

Personally I think most of the jobs in government are demanding and require a lot of a person's life. As such I agree with high wages for these positions - they are not that high when compared with jobs of similar hours and responsibility in the private sector.

I too am interested in your views, kensimmonsuk. Assuming you are not just criticising for the sake of it - an 'armchair general' as joe puts it, you must have some kind of vision for the future of this country's political system?

I'd really like to know how you intend to 'roll back the state' as it were. If you could just clarify your position somewhat - Do you support an absolute minimal state, as profered by such theorists as Nozick? Or are you more of an philospohical anarchist? How would that work?

What the politicians have done for me and other working class people is as follows.

They have increased the council tax every year in excess of the rate of inflation..
What I get in return for this money..(being a home owner) is my bin being emptied once a week if I am lucky.

They have increased my National insurance contributions....then stated that since they have robbed the pensions fund, that I will have to now pay extra for a personal pension yet still pay the NI because others need the money to be able to sit at home and the millions of extra jobs created by government for positions that have no relevence, require funds to pay their wages.

The services such as police are almost non existant where if a crime of car vandalism or house break in is considered unimportant due to the slap on the wrist scenario.
It is ok to maim or knock the living daylights out of someone but a jail term if you don't pay your tax.

It is ok if you are not from this country and drive a car without a license or insurance......

I cannot for the life of me think of anything positive that the politicians have achieved that benefit the local population at present....there is no fair play and today it has been reported that dormant bank accounts will be stolen by G. Brown.

Looks good as I have money in an account that I have had for many years but have not touched it as I was waiting for it to grow......I think that everyone should protest by taking all their cash out of the Banks.......That would soon sort them all.

There was one good thing that came out of WS Games though!

They refurbished the tower blocks in Norfolk park at great cost....Then knocked them down a few years after.

AS you so rightly have stated regarding the Supertram....It's cost was around 278 million plus.....
The Sheffield Council couldnt make it pay and so sold it off with subsidies to Stagecoach for a pittance.

They in turn have made a profit....."I wonder Why?"

It could be argued that the money came from central government but if I remember....the Council Tax was increased in Doncaster, Rotherham, Sheffield and Barnsley to help pay for it.
It could also be argued that a lot of projects have sign boards braizenly rooted in the gound stating that the European union is giving a grant for a particular project...

Amazing as it may seem....but....THe money that we get in the way of a grant was already paid in by the overburdened taxpayer in the UK to be part of this great european super state.

Euro MP's on 200 000 pounds per annum...and a matching amount in expenses just goes to show what mugs we!....the tax payers are.

Originally posted by kensimmonsuk
Stick with popolar media and reality.


Hmmm... You could do with a good dose of 'reality' yourself I think dear.

Originally posted by kathythebean
Hmmm... You could do with a good dose of 'reality' yourself I think dear.
Your statement has no foundation......Could you please state what yu feel is not reality?

Or could it be that you just don't agree with others opinions so that makes your comments right!

he's worse than any politician - you can't believe a word he says ... unclicked for a millennium ... i knew it was a lie .... it was just tooooo easy .... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Delboy3

Or could it be that you just don't agree with others opinions so that makes your comments right!

Hmmm. Look who's talking.

He was the one telling me to stick to reality. And now you've jumped on me cos I didn't support your joint-rant.

I didn’t want to sound like I was criticising you, ken, I just wanted to know what you thought we could do about things.

As for things I don't understand or are stuck on or are too young to remember, I have some reasonable, non-patronising, comprehensible people on this forum that I can ask about those things thanks.

Sorry ken that was more directed at delboy who I thought was picking on me a little bit, saying I was calling you wrong for not agreeing with me when thats actually what he was doing. Never mind though.

Pals of course :) (I will still be voting)

:hihi:

Originally posted by kathythebean
Hmmm. Look who's talking.

He was the one telling me to stick to reality. And now you've jumped on me cos I didn't support your joint-rant.

I didn’t want to sound like I was criticising you, ken, I just wanted to know what you thought we could do about things.

As for things I don't understand or are stuck on or are too young to remember, I have some reasonable, non-patronising, comprehensible people on this forum that I can ask about those things thanks.
My appologies Kathy.....I asked the question....I did not wish to insult or belittle you in any way.

You must admit.....in here if you have a different opinion to the majority.....you are auomatically classed as being either insane, a nazi, bigot or totally out of the realms of social reality.

Pals too then delboy? :)

I would suggest that on a forum as diverse as this there isn't really a majority view at all!

The simple truth is that once elected, our politicians disappear into the woodwork only to reappear again whn elections are due. IF you need one, you can usually find them hiding in a place where they hold monthly surgeries which are not widly publicised