View Full Version : Do as I say not as I do - Diane Abbott MP


Mo
04-11-2003, 11:29
Yet another Labour hypocrit pops up!!!!!

After publicly condemning both Tony Blair and Harriet Harman for taking their children out of catchment area to be educated she does exactly the same at a cost of £10,000 per year.

Hackney it seems is not good enough for her son as he is at risk of being drawn into the black street culture there. So what about all the other black kids in Hackney? Tough they must just lump it.

She should resign immediately.

Roll on the general election I say.

nomme
04-11-2003, 11:36
Yesterday's Man: 30 things you did not know or had forgotten about the probable next leader of the Tory Party, Michael Howard

1. Howard sacked Prison Service Director Derek Lewis and then (famously) failed to answer a direct question about it from Jeremy Paxman 14 times on Newsnight.
2. Howard has spent the last 6 years in comfortable directorships of companies like Eschmann Holdings Limited (medical supplies manufacturer where his mate George Kennedy is the Chairman), the Imprint Group (specialist printer where his mate George Kennedy is er....the Chairman again) Finex plc (PR company), Crime Reduction International Limited (an international consultancy on getting tough on crime)
3. As Home Secretary, he believed that the answer to crime was simply to lock more people up: "an increase in the number of criminals in prison leads to a large fall in crime" (Politics, Morality And The Nation State lecture, 10 January 2003)
4. He came bottom of a field of 5 when he stood in the 1997 Tory leadership election - possibly the only time his leadership credentials will be put to the vote...
5. In 1995 he was accused by Private Eye and the New Statesman of misleading Parliament over the privatisation of the Home Office computer network: See: http://users.cliq.com/~bayvulture/yarbles/ed5.html
6. Howard was the Minister in Charge of bringing in the Poll Tax in 1988. Even after Thatcher had gone, and after the poll tax riots, he insisted he still believed in the policy (July 1991)
7. Howard was the Minister who brought in Clause 28 of the Local Government Act banning the "promotion" of homosexuality (March 1988)
8. Howard voted in favour of anti-abortion campaigner David Alton's Bill to reduce access to abortion (January 1988)
9. As Employment Secretary, Howard said that Labour's National Minimum Wage proposals would cost 2 million jobs (June 1991)
10. As Employment Secretary, Howard tried to stop attempts at EU level to introduce a 48 hour working week and to give working women statutory maternity rights (June 1991)
11. As Employment Secretary, Howard persuaded John Major not to sign up to the Social Chapter of the Maastricht Treaty - according to Norman Lamont by threatening to resign - "The social chapter opt-out from the Maastricht treaty, which Major claims as his own, was in reality due to Michael Howard, who threatened to resign over it" (December 1991)
12. As Environment Secretary, Howard allowed power generators to keep their pollution levels secret (Nov 1992)
13. As Employment Secretary, under pressure from property developers who feared the blighting of values, Howard abandoned plans to register and clear up 100,000 contaminated sites and oversee their clean up (March 1993)
14. As Home Secretary, tried to put local police authorities under the control of Home Office appointees instead of representative local people (Jan 1994)
15. As Home Secretary, was attacked by the Appeal Court for his "abuse of power" over criminal injuries compensation (Oct 1994)
16. As Home Secretary, the High Court condemned his "significantly" secretive world in the Home Office and ordered him to release files on the miscarriage of justice victims whose appeals had been refused. (Nov 1994)
17. The Law Lords ruled that he had acted unlawfully and abused the power of parliament in planning to cut criminal injuries compensation (April 1995)
18. As Home Secretary, Howard cut access to health, housing and education for asylum seekers, alleging that £100 million was being "wasted" on them (July 1995)
19. Howard was judged to have flouted the European Convention on Human Rights following unlawfully delaying the release of five long-serving IRA prisoners - the SEVENTH time he had been found to be acting illegally in just two years as Home Secretary. (September 1995)
20. However Howard backs Gordon Brown's decisions: he told the IPPR that the Chancellor deserved "great credit" for giving independence to the Bank of England and that "We have a framework now which I say is working pretty well" (Speech to IPPR, Monday 11 March 2002)
21. Howard claimed, wrongly, that more than 1000 asylum seekers had been found in Dover in just 12 days - and was forced to retract a rant about asylum being "out of control" - he had got his figures mixed up. (March 2002)
22. In November 1998, Howard criticised Blair and then Foreign Secretary Robin Cook for not acting fast enough to launch air strikes against Iraq. On the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Howard said that Tony Blair and Bill Clinton should attack without warning and try to remove Saddam Hussein from office.
23. Howard opposed the introduction of the Human Rights Act.
24. He's not tough on all criminals, though - Howard criticised Jack Straw's decision to detain General Pinochet and actively campaigned for his release: "We think this has gone on far too long. We think he should be sent back to Chile." (BBC Interview, 26 November 1998)
25. From 1985 he was a senior Minister through the whole of Thatcher and Major's administrations.

What other people say about him:

1. "fatally flawed" decision making - The High Court
2. Howard's former deputy Anne Widdecombe said there was "something of the night" about him
3. "The nastiest man in the [Tory] Government" - Labour MP Andrew Faulds
4. "an indiscriminate, scatter gun approach to justice" - Lord Chief Justice Bingham on Howard's plans for mandatory minimum sentences
5. "The smile of Michael Howard has the substance of the Cheshire cat, the menace of Uriah Heep and the sincerity of Bob Monkhouse." Derek Lewis, Former Director of the Prison Service, sacked by Howard.

Mo
04-11-2003, 11:40
Nomme is this your way of supporting Diane Abbott?

Belle
04-11-2003, 11:48
Diane Abbott IS a hypocrite

That doesnt mean all Labour MPs are

It takes a special person to say that she opposes Labour MPs who send their kids to paying schools, and then go on to the same themselves

You dont find many of them to the pound

Abdul
04-11-2003, 11:48
Originally posted by Mo
After publicly condemning both Tony Blair and Harriet Harman for taking their children out of catchment area to be educated she does exactly the same at a cost of £10,000 per year.

Hackney it seems is not good enough for her son as he is at risk of being drawn into the black street culture there. So what about all the other black kids in Hackney? Tough they must just lump it.

She should resign immediately.


I agree. If she wants to send her schools to a private school, then fine; but to criticise others for doing so before doing it herself...can I be cynical enough to suggest that her initial criticism of Blair was to win the populist vote?

Anyway, see what other people are saying here about it here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1076998,00.html

max
04-11-2003, 11:49
Originally posted by Mo
Nomme is this your way of supporting Diane Abbott?
I guess he's just saying that after the next election Labour will have an even bigger majority.

I'm led to believe that the Libs will be targetting M Howard's seat at the next election as it's a marginal with only a majority of around 5,000. Perhaps that's why Howard was chosen, he won't be around for long.:thumbsup:

alchresearch
04-11-2003, 11:51
According to her (on Question Time last week), she said her son made the decision not her!!!!!

Mo
04-11-2003, 11:58
[QUOTE]Originally posted by max
[B]I guess he's just saying that after the next election Labour will have an even bigger majority.[B]

God help us :(

nomme
04-11-2003, 12:00
Originally posted by Mo
Nomme is this your way of supporting Diane Abbott?

No - she is a hypocrite, but we would be having by-elections every week if every MP resigned for being a hypocrite.

Michael Howard is also a hypocrite (amongst other things) - do you think he should resign also?

I'm just trying to show that hypocrisy is not limited to the labour party.

Nomme

Mo
04-11-2003, 12:01
Originally posted by alchresearch
According to her (on Question Time last week), she said her son made the decision not her!!!!!

Yeh yeh yeh and he'd be paying for it as well I expect.

Mo
04-11-2003, 12:05
Originally posted by nommedenet
No - she is a hypocrite, but we would be having by-elections every week if every MP resigned for being a hypocrite.

Michael Howard is also a hypocrite (amongst other things) - do you think he should resign also?

I'm just trying to show that hypocrisy is not limited to the labour party.

Nomme

But Nomme this is the Labour Party we are talking about remember 'EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION'. That'll be one sort of education for the masses and other sort for them as can pay- very Socialist indeed.

Belle
04-11-2003, 12:50
Mo

Nobody is arguing with you

Clearly Ms Abbott is a hypocrite of the highest order, self-confessed too I understand.

Obviously it is not Labour Party policy to send your kids to private school, and that is why what she has done, as well as moaning about her colleagues in the past, is hypocritical

But that doesnt mean that the majority of the parents amongst the other 420 Labour MPs think as she does

My own MP where I live, her son went to the local comp, I remember

Lickszz
04-11-2003, 15:16
Nothing new. The woman is a trumpet for blair, yet displays the same double standards.

She has apparently stated that she could well be hounded out of office over this. If this is the case then it is her own behaviour which will have brought it about.

Lickszz
04-11-2003, 15:19
Originally posted by alchresearch
According to her (on Question Time last week), she said her son made the decision not her!!!!!

If he had picked a local state school in Hackney she would have agreed and sent him there?

Now it turns out according to her ex husband she had chosen 3 private schools that she considered appropriate for her son.

Lickszz
04-11-2003, 15:22
Originally posted by max
I guess he's just saying that after the next election Labour will have an even bigger majority.



A good chance of been right. Is it healthy for a country to have one party totally dominant?

Lets hope that whoever get elected do so by more than 28% of the electorate unlike last time.