From time to time it's fun to close your eyes,
and in that dark say to yourself,
"I am the sorcerer, and when I open my eyes
I shall see a world that I have created,
and for which I and only I
am completely responsible."

Slowly then, eyelids open
like curtains lifting stage-centre.
And sure enough,
there's your world...
...just the way you built it. :)

From time to time it's fun to close your eyes,
and in that dark say to yourself,
"I am the sorcerer, and when I open my eyes
I shall see a world that I have created,
and for which I and only I
am completely responsible."

Slowly then, eyelids open
like curtains lifting stage-centre.
And sure enough,
there's your world...
...just the way you built it. :)

Sounds like the Total Perspective Vortex of Zaphod Beeblebrox in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" ;)

StarSparkle

So I should be disgustingly proud of myself then because my little creation is utterly perfect and took me decades to make!

Sounds like the Total Perspective Vortex of Zaphod Beeblebrox in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" ;)

StarSparkle

Much simpler than that. :)

Very funny book though "Hitchhiker's." Have you ever tried spotting some of the characters from the book on the forum...quite an amusing little game after a few Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters. :hihi::hihi:

Much simpler than that. :)

Very funny book though "Hitchhiker's." Have you ever tried spotting some of the characters from the book on the forum...quite an amusing little game after a few Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters. :hihi::hihi:


You don't need a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster to see it :)

I think one particularly famous (ex?)-Forummer actually took part of his username from the book!

"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" - the greatest work of modern philosophy :thumbsup: - written by a complete genius

StarSparkle

So I should be disgustingly proud of myself then because my little creation is utterly perfect and took me decades to make!

Yes Jabbers yes!

Disgustingly proud and often disgustingly funny...and we love it! :thumbsup:

You don't need a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster to see it :)

I think one particularly famous (ex?)-Forummer actually took part of his username from the book!

"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" - the greatest work of modern philosophy :thumbsup: - written by a complete genius

StarSparkle

The closest I believe I came to drinking one was my experience of Buckfast.
Inspired, no less, by an episode of Rab C. Nesbitt I bought a bottle and got two thirds of the way through before leaving my body and having a perfectly (to me) intelligible conversation with my cat. And it's all true! :hihi:

Slartisomethingorother...builder of fjords...never had the pleasure personally. :)

Adams was special, I agree. :thumbsup:

From time to time it's fun to close your eyes,
and in that dark say to yourself,
"I am the sorcerer, and when I open my eyes
I shall see a world that I have created,
and for which I and only I
am completely responsible."

Slowly then, eyelids open
like curtains lifting stage-centre.
And sure enough,
there's your world...
...just the way you built it. :)

That's funny, in my world the sun was shining and I was on a beach in the med. I must have done it wrong, try again.

That's funny, in my world the sun was shining and I was on a beach in the med. I must have done it wrong, try again.

Come on in...the water's lovely! :D

Yes, but you could spend your life day-dreaming, but it doesn't make it real.

Yes, but you could spend your life day-dreaming, but it doesn't make it real.
If you spent your life daydreaming, it would end in about 4-7 days which is about as real as it gets.

Didn't anyone teach you that everything is in the mind. Even reality?

If you spent your life daydreaming, it would end in about 4-7 days which is about as real as it gets.

Didn't anyone teach you that everything is in the mind. Even reality?

Yes, but essentially a spade is a spade. I thought you all knew that in Sheffield.

Much simpler than that. :)

Very funny book though "Hitchhiker's." Have you ever tried spotting some of the characters from the book on the forum...quite an amusing little game after a few Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters. :hihi::hihi:

Someone reminded me of Marvin (http://www.roosteredge.com/antihero/poster34601398.jpg) earlier. :(

Well Jabbers may be disgustingly proud....whereas I'm just disgusting - and really proud of it :D

Swammi.... take your religion and do what you do with it. Its just another form of suppression.

From time to time it's fun to close your eyes,
and in that dark say to yourself,
"I am the sorcerer, and when I open my eyes
I shall see a world that I have created,
and for which I and only I
am completely responsible."

Slowly then, eyelids open
like curtains lifting stage-centre.
And sure enough,
there's your world...
...just the way you built it. :)

Something like Billy Fisher and his kingdom of Ambrosia in "Billy Liar" :)

Swammi.... take your religion and do what you do with it. Its just another form of suppression.

Religion? What religion? I am most definately not a religious person!

With the greatest of respect it is my humble duty to inform you that there is MUCH you do not know. :)

Yes, but you could spend your life day-dreaming, but it doesn't make it real.

And that is PRECISELY what I have tried to say to you over and over again Metaphoria. :)

If you spent your life daydreaming, it would end in about 4-7 days which is about as real as it gets.

Didn't anyone teach you that everything is in the mind. Even reality?

I keep doing my best. :)

Something like Billy Fisher and his kingdom of Ambrosia in "Billy Liar" :)

Way to go Harleyman old buddy. I have never found, in a long experience, that criticism is ever inhibited by ignorance. :)

Have a nice day. :thumbsup:

The closest I believe I came to drinking one was my experience of Buckfast.
Inspired, no less, by an episode of Rab C. Nesbitt I bought a bottle and got two thirds of the way through before leaving my body and having a perfectly (to me) intelligible conversation with my cat. And it's all true! :hihi:

Slartisomethingorother...builder of fjords...never had the pleasure personally. :)

Adams was special, I agree. :thumbsup:

There is a bar in Pontefract that serves a PanGalacticGargleBlaster.

Its quite a drink.

Close your eyes and open them again after a few of those and you'll see about 5 worlds you have created all swirling round your head :hihi:

From time to time it's fun to close your eyes,
and in that dark say to yourself,
"I am the sorcerer, and when I open my eyes
I shall see a world that I have created,
and for which I and only I
am completely responsible."

Slowly then, eyelids open
like curtains lifting stage-centre.
And sure enough,
there's your world...
...just the way you built it. :)

Eezer Good,
Eezer Good,
He's Ebeneezer Goode! :thumbsup:

Eezer Good,
Eezer Good,
He's Ebeneezer Goode! :thumbsup:

What you spend your money on is no particular concern of mine. ;)

And that is PRECISELY what I have tried to say to you over and over again Metaphoria. :)

Well, that's me told. :)

Well, that's me told. :)

But in the nicest possible way I trust. :)

But in the nicest possible way I trust. :)

Yeah Swami. Still, I hope this is a 'questions are allowed' thread.

And patience is a virtue you know.

Yeah Swami. Still, I hope this is a 'questions are allowed' thread.

And patience is a virtue you know.

Questions are not only allowed...they are welcome. And I do apologise for my boyish enthusiasm. :P

Questions are not only allowed...they are welcome. And I do apologise for my boyish enthusiasm. :P

What does Swami Dhyan mean?

Ok then, here's a question for ya.

What is it like to be a bat?

Ok then, here's a question for ya.

What is it like to be a bat?

You'd have a be a good listener for a start.

You'd have a be a good listener for a start.

Very good. And I mean that sincerely.

What does Swami Dhyan mean?

Swami Dhyan (Dhyan is pronounced deeann) was part of the name given to me by a man I called Master.
A Swami is a seeker after the truth and Dhyan means meditation.
The full meaning of the whole name I was given was enlightenment by the meeting of opposites through meditation.
I dropped the name when I left my Master in 1986 to pursue my own course.

When I joined the forum back in January I was stuck for a user name that would ensure a measure of anonimity. Swami Dhyan just leapt out at me...blast from the past as 'twere.
Suddenly I reconnected to something I had lost...and life is bliss. This forum has been a magnificent catalyst for me. I am truly grateful. :love:

Very good. And I mean that sincerely.

Certainly had me all of a giggle. :hihi:

Very good. And I mean that sincerely.

Thanks, I once got hit in the eye by a bat. I knew it was a bat because it felt like a soft golf ball hitting me in the eye, around a place where I knew there where lots of bats.

Don't quite know how it happened though, because i was chattering away to a friend of mine at the time.

Swami Dhyan (Dhyan is pronounced deeann) was part of the name given to me by a man I called Master.
A Swami is a seeker after the truth and Dhyan means meditation.
The full meaning of the whole name I was given was enlightenment by the meeting of opposites through meditation.
I dropped the name when I left my Master in 1986 to pursue my own course.


I'm really intrigued now, what kind of a master was he?

Swami Dhyan (Dhyan is pronounced deeann) was part of the name given to me by a man I called Master.
A Swami is a seeker after the truth and Dhyan means meditation.
The full meaning of the whole name I was given was enlightenment by the meeting of opposites through meditation.
I dropped the name when I left my Master in 1986 to pursue my own course.

When I joined the forum back in January I was stuck for a user name that would ensure a measure of anonimity. Swami Dhyan just leapt out at me...blast from the past as 'twere.
Suddenly I reconnected to something I had lost...and life is bliss. This forum has been a magnificent catalyst for me. I am truly grateful. :love:

Deean, I thought it was pronounced like that. and I thought this name would mean something like that too.

What did your master teach you?

There is a bar in Pontefract that serves a PanGalacticGargleBlaster.

Its quite a drink.

Close your eyes and open them again after a few of those and you'll see about 5 worlds you have created all swirling round your head :hihi:

There's one in Hull too.

Ok then, here's a question for ya.

What is it like to be a bat?

Not pleasant if you're being held by an Indian batsman just now .......

seriously though, I think Nagel and "What is it like to be a bat" are highly pertinent to the op
I think Nagel and "What is it like to be a bat" are highly pertinent to the op

I'm really intrigued now, what kind of a master was he?

The most beautiful kind. :)

whilst we're all on a late night philosophy binge that is

whilst we're all on a late night philosophy binge that is
The best kind of course

Swami Dhyan (Dhyan is pronounced deeann) was part of the name given to me by a man I called Master.
A Swami is a seeker after the truth and Dhyan means meditation.
The full meaning of the whole name I was given was enlightenment by the meeting of opposites through meditation.
I dropped the name when I left my Master in 1986 to pursue my own course.

When I joined the forum back in January I was stuck for a user name that would ensure a measure of anonimity. Swami Dhyan just leapt out at me...blast from the past as 'twere.
Suddenly I reconnected to something I had lost...and life is bliss. This forum has been a magnificent catalyst for me. I am truly grateful. :love:

Forgive me for being personal, but have you been a Vedic student then? Don't answer if you don't wish to.

Deean, I thought it was pronounced like that. and I thought this name would mean something like that too.

What did your master teach you?

He taught me how to love.

Not pleasant if you're being held by an Indian batsman just now .......

:o :o.......I typed out something almost identical...and deleted it...SPOOOOKY! :hihi:

He taught me how to love.

And how do you love?

Forgive me for being personal, but have you been a Vedic student then? Don't answer if you don't wish to.

No! You are forgiven. :hihi:

So is qualia an epiphenomenon then? Or what?

And how do you love?

Unconditionally! :)

Unconditionally! :)

But that's how a parent loves, not how one loves with lovers and contemporaries. It's not human nature.

So I should be disgustingly proud of myself then because my little creation is utterly perfect and took me decades to make!

Decades?? Very poor show there, pal. Took me seconds. :cool:

So is qualia an epiphenomenon then? Or what?

From what I understand it is still a matter of great debate. :help:

But that's how a parent loves, not how one loves with lovers and contemparies. It's not human nature.

WOW!....you mean...you mean...I'm not human? :hihi:

Food for thought then - What is it like to be a bat? (http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf)

Splodgey - you are a one.

WOW!....you mean...you mean...I'm not human? :hihi:

No, I'm saying that, I think that kind of love is not possible unless you are a parent.

Yes, but you could spend your life day-dreaming, but it doesn't make it real.

Day dreaming is the mechanism your brain uses to sort the wheat from the chaff, experience-wise, according to this New Scientist article (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026811.500-the-secret-life-of-the-brain.html)

No, I'm saying that, I think that kind of love is not possible unless you are a parent.

It is...trust me...I'm a Swami. :love:

more here - http://www.ulteriorindustries.co.uk:5454/listen.pls
or this
http://www.ulteriorindustries.co.uk:5454/listen.m3u

or failing both of those - try this as a last resort: http://www.ulteriorindustries.co.uk/flexamp/flexAmp.swf

Food for thought then - What is it like to be a bat? (http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf)

Splodgey - you are a one.

Yep, it's just me. It took me a while to spot this thread. Feels like decades, in fact :hihi:

Food for thought then - What is it like to be a bat? (http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf)

Splodgey - you are a one.

Mmmm, food for thought indeed. But alas and alack the hour demands I lay my old man's bones to rest. We'll no doubt pursue this thought later.

Goodnight all...sleep tight! :)

But that's how a parent loves, not how one loves with lovers and contemporaries. It's not human nature.

I disagree. It's how we are told we don't love, and many seem to agree. However, I know from personal experience that unconditional love can flow between child and parent; siblings; friends; cow-orkers; enemies; former lovers; strangers and many other combinations of people.

If all parties allow it, that is.

I admire anyone who believes that love is unconditional beyond parental love. But I can't go beyond admiration.

As I said, I unconditionally love all my siblings (3 bro's), my parents, an ex or two.

But I have no kids, so I'm probably talking out of my sunshade?

I used to be very cynical about love, I certainly didn't believe in unconditional love, not even from a parent (in my experience). But In the first half of this year I became infused with it, I've never felt that serene in that sustained way for that length of time. It was amazing. But things went wrong and I fell off the beam again for a while. But I have faith and reasonable expectation that that quiet power will come back soon. It's partially counterintuitive: for instance part of me wants to know how Swami got to the point where he feels like that all the time, what did he do to make it happen. But I know now that it's not about doing or trying, but trusting enough to let go and let it flow.

On the other hand, if I do get there, looking back at so much misery, I know I've worked so bloody hard to get there! I never thought I would but I did get there, and I'll get there again soon. I can't wait. I just hope that one day metaphoria will get that internal shift of realization, because she deserves that feeling too. :)

I used to be very cynical about love, I certainly didn't believe in unconditional love, not even from a parent (in my experience). But In the first half of this year I became infused with it, I've never felt that serene in that sustained way for that length of time. It was amazing. But things went wrong and I fell off the beam again for a while. But I have faith and reasonable expectation that that quiet power will come back soon. It's partially counterintuitive: for instance part of me wants to know how Swami got to the point where he feels like that all the time, what did he do to make it happen. But I know now that it's not about doing or trying, but trusting enough to let go and let it flow.

On the other hand, if I do get there, looking back at so much misery, I know I've worked so bloody hard to get there! I never thought I would but I did get there, and I'll get there again soon. I can't wait. I just hope that one day metaphoria will get that internal shift of realization, because she deserves that feeling too. :)

Swami holds the secrets. That's why I go to his meets. :hihi:

He does share them in here, but he's good to chat to personally I think. I do like the bloke a lot.

Swami holds the secrets. That's why I go to his meets. :hihi:

He does share them in here, but he's good to chat to personally I think. I do like the bloke a lot.

You miss my point: I know a great many of the 'secrets' myself from many years of reading, discussion and observation. But there is a world of difference between knowing something *intellectually* and it finally seeping into your soul and knowing it in your heart. You can't force that to happen, and no-one can tell you how to make that happen. It has to seep in of its own accord until you wake up one morning and realize that something inside you has changed.

You miss my point: I know a great many of the 'secrets' myself from many years of reading, discussion and observation. But there is a world of difference between knowing something *intellectually* and it finally seeping into your soul and knowing it in your heart. You can't force that to happen, and no-one can tell you how to make that happen. It has to seep in of its own accord until you wake up one morning and realize that something inside you has changed.
My bold - I almost felt the knife ease it's way into my broken heart at such a comment. (presuming you meant the lack of intelligence from me and not SD):hihi: (I'm joking of course)..

Though my quoted post was hinting on flippancy, I didn't miss your point Ms. I also know most of the 'secrets'. I've perhaps observed more than I've read, as you know. But I am intuitive, observing and usually picking up on things, despite my lack of decorum at times. :hihi:

I think you need to be in the company of tranquility sometimes to completely understand it, be it with a person or the company of a certain place.

Decades?? Very poor show there, pal. Took me seconds. :cool:

Well I had certain... things holding me back from day one. Long and boring story but I got there in the end and made up for all the bad stuff!

You miss my point: I know a great many of the 'secrets' myself from many years of reading, discussion and observation. But there is a world of difference between knowing something *intellectually* and it finally seeping into your soul and knowing it in your heart. You can't force that to happen, and no-one can tell you how to make that happen. It has to seep in of its own accord until you wake up one morning and realize that something inside you has changed.

Purdy you are a star! :love:

My master described the experience as the difference between seeing the moon and seeing the reflection of the moon in the lake.
He used this comparison during a Darshan on John Lennon who had been a recent visitor to the Ashram.

You're already where you need to be. :)

Food for thought then - What is it like to be a bat? (http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf)

Splodgey - you are a one.

Oh, when you mentioned Nagel I thought you were talking about Knut Hamsun's main character in "Mysteries".

I disagree. It's how we are told we don't love, and many seem to agree. However, I know from personal experience that unconditional love can flow between child and parent; siblings; friends; cow-orkers; enemies; former lovers; strangers and many other combinations of people.

If all parties allow it, that is.

I'd love to love a cow-orker. But would I have to learn how to cow-ork?

Purdy you are a star! :love:

My master described the experience as the difference between seeing the moon and seeing the reflection of the moon in the lake.
He used this comparison during a Darshan on John Lennon who had been a recent visitor to the Ashram.

You're already where you need to be. :)


Thank you so much Swami. :thumbsup:

It's a very exciting time for me, especially today, for reasons I won't go into (though a few know). I do feel ready again to go from strength to strength.

*_ash_*, I didn't mean to stick a knife in anywhere, and it wasn't a comment on intelligence at all. I just thought I'd add that even though you say you're joking, as I think you thought it was a dig too, but it really wasn't. :)

I'd love to love a cow-orker. But would I have to learn how to cow-ork?

Isn't a cow-orker a female whale? :hihi:

Purdy. It was a cunning plan to entice you into posting a reply. ;):hihi:
It worked :thumbsup:

Hopefully see you posting again more regularly. :)

Purdy. It was a cunning plan to entice you into posting a reply. ;):hihi:
It worked :thumbsup:

Hopefully see you posting again more regularly. :)

Ooh you little tinker. :P

There's another one so I don't get stuck on 6606 posts - not really fitting with the ambience of this thread!