Ok, tramp is very non-pc, he was a "homeless person", but that makes for a dull title - I opted for the tabloid one.

I'd had a hard day at work on Friday, and grabbed a can of Carling from one of our chiller cabinets. I was sat waiting for my bus outside where I work in Woodhouse, swigging my ale, when I was joined by a tra.. by a homeless person. ahem. with his bottle of Merrie England wine (I think it was called), a plastic bag, and his grotty guitar. There's a lot of 'em about in Woodhouse these days - they're from the dodgy institution down the road. I think because he saw me miserably slumped on the bus stop seat coughing into my beer can (I have a chest infection at the mo), he considered me as One Of Us (Gubba Gabba We Accept You - anyone see that film? Or buy the record for that matter?) I don't know where I'm going with this post, by the way, I just wanted to share the moment.

Tramp (soddit, it's quicker to type and more apt) opens the conversation with a few words about buses into town, touches on lodgings and the limited window (one hour) he had for his gig in front of the Chesterfield late shoppers, and finishes by telling me how badly life has treated him and how unlucky he is. Oh, I don't know - I says - it tends to come in waves. Things'll start looking up soon, they always do. Waves? - says the tramp - it's a ****ing tsunami. (Media aware, I noticed. There must be a communal tv in the institution).

He then launches (I say launches like it was a one-sided rant, but it was a suprisingly two-sided chatty affair), into a tale of the previous night, whereby the cash machine (yes, my tramp had a cash card) that one there - he gestures - gave him ten quid when he'd checked his balance out of curiosity. He was sure it said he'd got a tenner to withdraw, and it'd let him do it, and he'd got no overdraft facility, so why'd the ****ing thing give him a tenner, eh? Why, when it says today it's two quid in arrears? Talk to them nicely at the bank, mate - I says - go in on Tuesday, tell them your financial predicament, and I'm sure they'd drop the bank charges, they're very helpful in situations like that.

After ten minutes or so of clumsily trying to blag a tenner off me without success, he repeated the story as if I were somehow partially deaf the first time round, and wanted to make sure all the details had sunk in. He added the extra information that he keeps a close eye on when his direct debits are due out (Oddbins have a dd facility, I wondered) I asked him: and you're sure it said you had a tenner to withdraw? Aye, son. It did. I think it did. I was ****ing p***ed at the time, see.

He ended on an uncomfortable (far more one-sided) rant about HSBC being owned by chinkies (pint-sized, sneaky money-grabbers. Always hiding. Trying to take over the world, they are. Not that I'm prejudiced, lad), which was witnessed by two black onlookers giving him some very scornful looks.

Anyway, his bus came, he stood up, and left me with a friendly handshake. But what I'm slightly worried about is this fella being there every night while I wait for my bus. I buy my Big Issue, I do my bit. Is that enough? Am I allowed to shuffle away from the drunken scruff the next time we sit together? What do the Guardian readers out there think? Do I have to allow the tramp to be my friend? I respect him as a person, but the person is, let's face it, a boring, drunken scruff. Difficult.

I'm afraid I have no advice for you regarding the tramp situation, being someone who always ends up sat listening to the nutter. But I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed reading that :)
Actually maybe I do have a piece of advice - get a new job as a writer and then you won't have to encounter the guy again :thumbsup:

Your best hope is, when he next approaches you, go into an even more racist, even more random rant about how wilkinsons is owned by hobbits (small, scraggy creatures, hairy feet, no sense of personal hygiene) and finish it by shouting MACKEREL, MACKEREL, in his face (try and spit a little).

(that is the opinion of a guardian reader :) )

Originally posted by kathythebean
Your best hope is, when he next approaches you, go into an even more racist, even more random rant about how wilkinsons is owned by hobbits (small, scraggy creatures, hairy feet, no sense of personal hygiene) and finish it by shouting MACKEREL, MACKEREL, in his face (try and spit a little).

(that is the opinion of a guardian reader :) )

I take offense at that!!!111!!!!111

Thankyou, mooples. (It doesn't pay, I keep trying).

Kathy, are you sure you're a Guardian reader? Actually, leaving to one side the fact that your post was very funny, you managed to skillfully avoid giving a clear answer to the problem, thereby avoiding causing offense to either myself or the homeless. Yes. You're a Guardian reader. - Unless your advice was meant to be taken seriously? That would make you a Weekly World News reader.

The problem is shelved for a day - my tramp didn't join me, he was sitting on the tramps' bench in Woodhouse square when my bus finally left.

So my only advice is to out-rant him in a surreal attack on Wilkinson's hobbit management in the style of Smeagol? Oh dear. Something tells me I'm in for an uncomfortable half-hour at the bus top tomorrow. :(

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kathythebean
Your best hope is, when he next approaches you, go into an even more racist, even more random rant about how wilkinsons is owned by hobbits (small, scraggy creatures, hairy feet, no sense of personal hygiene) and finish it by shouting MACKEREL, MACKEREL, in his face (try and spit a little).

(that is the opinion of a guardian reader :) ) [/That's very funny but on a serious note REALLY doing that is a bad idea chances are he will know you are winding him up - you have no clue as to what his psychological problems are - it could turn nasty, best to be polite I find - and escape as soon as possible!QUOTE]

I would walk to the next stop.

hazel

Okay, I admit it - I wasn't being serious.

What I SERIOUSLY think you should do is what I suggested, AND take a real mackerel along (preferably live) so you can give him a good fish-slapping for being a tramp in the first place.

:)

It's ok Tulip, I would never shout Mackerel at a Hobo.

I've thought of moving down a stop Hazel, but that would take me past the tramps' bench in Woodhouse square where he would introduce me to The Brotherhood.

I think I'll have to figure out an avoidance technique. Possibly making my mobile ring and pretending to answer it, walk slowly away - "Ah, Tarquin! Mackerel down three points? Buy, Tarquin, buy! How's Oddbins? Up four? Sell, Tarquin you fool, sell!"

Or something. :rolleyes:

try not drinking in the street.after all some slag off the guys in question for drinking on the streets.......;)

Originally posted by nitelife40
try not drinking in the street.after all some slag off the guys in question for drinking on the streets.......;)

That's a very good point. In many countries (USA, Australia etc) drinking alcohol in the street is illegal and will earn you a night in the cells. I'm surprised that's not the case in Britain yet (or is it?).

Either way, street drinking is moronic and simply adds to the yob culture we hear so much about.

Either way, street drinking is moronic and simply adds to the yob culture we hear so much about.

Run that by me again. Drinking a can of chilled Carling whilst waiting for a bus is the action of a moron? That's extremely insulting and offensive, mojo.


That's a very good point. In many countries (USA, Australia etc) drinking alcohol in the street is illegal and will earn you a night in the cells. I'm surprised that's not the case in Britain yet (or is it?).

If that were that case, don't you think I'd have bought a Pepsi instead? Think about it, dear.

well my advice ( albeit slightly selfish ) grab 2 tinnys tommorow and give him one, then you will be his buddy and he will tell you even more of his worldly views and you can tell us :D cos i loved reading about your first encounter with him :hihi:

Originally posted by Ant
Run that by me again. Drinking a can of chilled Carling whilst waiting for a bus is the action of a moron? That's extremely insulting and offensive, mojo.



If that were that case, don't you think I'd have bought a Pepsi instead? Think about it, dear.

i thought it was illegal to drink in the streets? it isin Glasgow

ohh noo if it gets like that here i will be permanatly in the nick :(

Litha, thankyou, sweetie. x

I don't understand all the fuss over the drinking in the streets thing - I'm not a yob, and don't look like one when sat chilling out (literally) waiting for a bus after a hard day at work.

As it happens, I avoided him today as he was in deep conversation with a lady (I think she was from the institution as well) dressed in a crop-top made from what looked like a binbag. They sat down together on the steps of Market Street stocks where a group of kids were giving them their sweets they'd just bought from my shop (aw, bless 'em. Kids aren't all mouthy yobs, are they?)

well even if you dint get a story out of him to share with us today at least you got the latest fashion tips..... *crop top bin bags are all the rage* at least this will make kitting myself out with a whole new wardrobe extremely cheep especially if i get them wholesale at JTF :D

i dont see what is wrong with having a cold can either in the streets, fair enough if its a gang of ruffians that the police would break up anyway then ya can say it looks yobish but then again these types are yobish even without the tinny. many a time ive walked from one pub to another with a bottle/can i wouldnt have thought i was being anti social ( well not till i was walking from the last pub any way :hihi: :hihi:

It's certainly illegal to drink on the streets where I come from, £500 fine if you're caught with an open alcoholic beverage on your person!

I quite frequently have a can of lager or two on the half hour walk home from work. But no-one gives me any hassle about it (or even notices, probably) - I think thats probably because I'm a young white girl with mostly neat hair and relatively clean clothes. Apart from the faint smell of mackerel, I think I look relatively harmless.

Quite often I give a can away to someone on the way if they ask me for money. Probably not the best thing to help a homeless person but they always seem pretty pleased with it!

where do you live hook?
i cant say i have heard of this before.

i wonder how far this will go and if soon we will be getting a £500 fine for loytering with an open packet of wine gums :(

Originally posted by Litha
where do you live hook?
i cant say i have heard of this before.

i wonder how far this will go and if soon we will be getting a £500 fine for loytering with an open packet of wine gums :(

hey u lot, cudnt help reading the posts which led frum talkin bout a ..homeless guy to gettn fined for drinkin on the streets (sorry i know im a bit late!)
. I live in shropshire and it is illegal to drink on the streets here!
even though its silly n doesnt stop ppl.

I think the police aren't stupid, whatever the local bylaws are. They'd collar a bunch of dodgy looking lads boozing on the streets, they most certainly wouldn't bat an eyelid over someone in full uniform on a hot day supping on a Carling. I've done it for years - in fact, the day before I was doing the same thing at the same bus stop with the same hobo, when a police car pulled up at the store. The officer came over and spoke to my tramp over an alledged assault over a local girl (who apparently called him a bitch when he nicked some chips from her bag). He asked everyone at the stop (including myself, Carling-in-hand) whether they'd witnessed the incident. Basically, he decided I wasn't a "moronic" drunken chav and ignored the can (given of course, that it was an offence in the first place). As I said, the police aren't stupid.

Wow, drifted a bit off topic, haven't we?

Ant,
These Lib Dem councillors can be a damned pain in the sub-navel region. The kindest and wisest thing you can do is laugh at him.

:hihi:

Let me guess, Timo. Either Daily Mail or The Times?

Telegraph, old bean!

Originally posted by Ant
Run that by me again. Drinking a can of chilled Carling whilst waiting for a bus is the action of a moron? That's extremely insulting and offensive, mojo.

No offence meant, but street drinking is illegal and by definition, committing an illegal act is not exactly the action of a responsible person. The police may well (and probably do) choose to ignore it if the drinker looks respectable, but the law is there just the same.

If street drinking is illegal does that mean people standing outside public houses drinking are breaking the law too?

Originally posted by Jon
If street drinking is illegal does that mean people standing outside public houses drinking are breaking the law too?

I would imagine the area immediately surrounding a pub would be considered part of the pub premises, as with a beer garden.

All this trouble caused by a tramp! They are the root cause of so many social evils today. Things have never been the same since Beckett's 'Waiting for Godot'. For some reason, the 'tramp community' felt themselves, in common parlance, 'empowered' by the absurdist play. 'Vladimir' and 'Estragon', with their cocky wordplay and sardonic airs became role models for so many angry, unwanted tramps. Now, instead of hiding in shrubbery, they consider themselves part of the social fabric; lager in hand, smelling like polecats on heat, they earnestly muse upon the eternal verities [life and death, beauty and pain etc] at public bus stops. Yes, Samuel Beckett has a lot to answer for.

Originally posted by timo
All this trouble caused by a tramp! They are the root cause of so many social evils today.

Are you sure you don't mean the Conservative Party?

(Sorry dear :) )

Kathythebean,

Ouch! Spare me thy adders, oh Kathy!

Originally posted by Litha
where do you live hook?
i cant say i have heard of this before.

i wonder how far this will go and if soon we will be getting a £500 fine for loytering with an open packet of wine gums :(

http://www.yarmpubs.co.uk/

That's the website of the pubs in the town, it's not always available, so try http://www.yarm.net

Just a few sites about my quaint little town! Obviously that's my "home" town and I'm currently living in Sheffield all year round!

No offence meant, but street drinking is illegal and by definition, committing an illegal act is not exactly the action of a responsible person.

Irresponsible is my middle name, it's the rebel in me.

However, if i should choose to flout a law obviously aimed at lager louts, it would not make me moronic. Choose your words carefully, I have a tendancy not to take kindly to insults, either intentional or otherwise. Get yourself a glass of wine, sit yourself down by the lake in the park, and live a little. And my "irresponsibility" is my business, not yours. Clear on that one, are we? Any more personal insults, please use the pm facility.


(Timo - the Telegraph, I should have guessed. Waiting For Godot? I can't say I've read it - I always thought it was Waiting For Gobbo? - Must've been a different play - perhaps I was in the wrong theatre. :rolleyes: )

Whilst I am aware that some councils have their own by-laws banning the consumption of alcohol in the street (Scarborough I believe is one, Newquay at least used to have one), I am most definitely not aware that Sheffield has one (our council are never the quickest operators are they?).

The police probably have the power to confiscate alcohol from people when they deem it necessary, loutish/yobbish behaviour and so on. But that power belongs to the police force, not the council (at least that's how I reckon).

Ant has every right to enjoy a can of Carling on his way home from work, in my most humblest of opinions. Whether it's the can itself that's a beacon to a drunk tramp, that's another issue (and one that would see me get mentioned can well out of view of any tramp).

An interesting thread Ant, your initial post made good reading. But I would like to know for sure the regulations and laws surrounding this having-a-beer-in-public. Any councillors wishing to comment?

Originally posted by Ant
Irresponsible is my middle name, it's the rebel in me.

However, if i should choose to flout a law obviously aimed at lager louts, it would not make me moronic. Choose your words carefully, I have a tendancy not to take kindly to insults, either intentional or otherwise. Get yourself a glass of wine, sit yourself down by the lake in the park, and live a little. And my "irresponsibility" is my business, not yours. Clear on that one, are we? Any more personal insults, please use the pm facility.


Just curious: how, exactly, does this "tendency" of yours manifest itself? Handbags at ten paces, or what?

Have I done something to upset you in another thread? Take it elsewhere, mojo, I think you'll find its you who is acting moronic.

Originally posted by Ousetunes
Whilst I am aware that some councils have their own by-laws banning the consumption of alcohol in the street (Scarborough I believe is one, Newquay at least used to have one), I am most definitely not aware that Sheffield has one (our council are never the quickest operators are they?).

The police probably have the power to confiscate alcohol from people when they deem it necessary, loutish/yobbish behaviour and so on. But that power belongs to the police force, not the council (at least that's how I reckon).

Ant has every right to enjoy a can of Carling on his way home from work, in my most humblest of opinions. Whether it's the can itself that's a beacon to a drunk tramp, that's another issue (and one that would see me get mentioned can well out of view of any tramp).

An interesting thread Ant, your initial post made good reading. But I would like to know for sure the regulations and laws surrounding this having-a-beer-in-public. Any councillors wishing to comment? SHEFFIELD'S city centre streets could be turned into an alcohol-free zone this summer to stop people boozing in public.

The ban would give police officers the power to confiscate alcohol from anyone caught drinking and the right to issue them with a £50 penalty.

Refusing to comply would be an arrestable ofence.
South Yorkshire Police say the alcohol exclusion zone - the first in the county - is the only way to stop street drinkers congregating in the city centre.

Inspector Shaun Morley said other methods had been tried in the past but they had simply moved the problem from one area to another.

Earlier this year police officers used Dispersal Order legislation to split up groups of drinkers regularly found near Castle Market - but instead of solving the problem it just moved it to Fargate.

"There is a problem with street drinkers in Sheffield, especially near the market, so to try to reduce it two or three months ago there was a Dispersal Order introduced which gave police officers the power to split up groups found congregating there," said Insp Morley.

"It was effective in that it temporarily removed the problem - but we found that the street drinkers simply moved up the road to Fargate.

"We have noticed the problem starting up again recently - and associated anti-social behaviour - so another Dispersal Order will come into force again from June 1, but the long term aim is to turn the city centre into an alcohol exclusion zone."
The new legislation would also apply to people on nights out in the city centre, to prevent them taking their drinks outside.
The idea is due to be discussed by Sheffield Council's Cabinet next Wednesday

Originally posted by Ant


But what I'm slightly worried about is this fella being there every night while I wait for my bus. I buy my Big Issue, I do my bit. Is that enough? Am I allowed to shuffle away from the drunken scruff the next time we sit together? What do the Guardian readers out there think? Do I have to allow the tramp to be my friend? I respect him as a person, but the person is, let's face it, a boring, drunken scruff. Difficult.

Ok, self-confessed Guardian reader here. Also, in my job* I have oft times transported tramps to hostel accommodation - which includes Woodhouse.

(*no, no.....please don't ask me what sort of job entails driving tramps around. I suppose it's not use really - you'll only start speculating on this thread. Oh alright then - I'm a social worker. There I've said it now. Yes, you don't have to point it out, I know all too well that I'm the stereotypical, Guardian reading, social worker with tramp experience - and yes, I've got a beard, but no, I don't eat aubergine and lentil bake. OK, so now we've got that over with).......

What are you worrying about? So he's a drunken scruff, a boring drunken scruff. But he ain't exactly asking you to be his friend. You exchanged pleasantries at the bus-stop, but, so far, he's failed to materialise again. Maybe he's moved out and moved on. But what if he does turn up again? He may not remember you. But what if he does? Simply refuse him money, but chat with him. You probably won't have any option but to chat, as tramps can sometimes be alarmingly engaging. What have you to fear? He may smell, he may be scruffy, he may be drunk, but he likes to chat.

In Beckett's play, Godot never arrives, and the lives of the two tramps, Vladimir and Estragon, never changes. Your account of the ramblings of this Woodhouse tramp epitomises the same alienation from the social norm that Vladimir and Estragon demonstrate. Does the life of your new acquaintance ever change?

Your difficulty in deciding to call your new acquaintance a tramp, rather than as a homeless person, dehumanises him. I am not criticising you, just merely interpreting your reaction.

Vladimir and Estragon display a pessimism which demonstrates a philosophy of estrangement. And your Woodhouse tramp is similarly estranged from society. Rough, scruffy, drunk, and frankly distasteful to know. And you want to keep your distance, by shuffling away if he comes near you again.

But your curiosity was aroused, and you actually found him entertaining - sufficiently so to amuse us readers. So, my suggestion is that you both could benefit from meeting at the bus stop again. You would provide him with a brief diversion from his hum-drum life, and he can chat away in his own inimical way. He though provides you with material for a career as an author, or even........as a playwright! Give it some thought!

(And if nothing else, I know I've just convinced you that I am indeed a bearded, Guardian reading, social worker!).

Hi Redrobbo, thanks for the reply - interesting!

Ok, hopefully it's obvious to all from reading my post that it was very light-hearted (I don't call people tramps in real-life, honest I don't!)

We did more than exchange pleasantries, he plunged within a minute of meeting me into a discourse of his unlucky life, how he became homeless, his drink problem, and the chinkies at HSBC. You very probably know this guy, he's well-known around Woodhouse and instantly recognisable from my description of him. In which case you would also be aware of the level at which he pitches his conversation. If the guy wasn't homeless, he'd still have struck me as strange enough to warrant a thread on the forum on meeting him. So we can happily disregard Beckett''s work - the fact that he was homeless made an eye-catching thread title; not dehumanising him, merely a Benny-Hill like aid to help establish the low intellectual level and light-hearted nature of the thread. ;)

Actually he has materialised again - he's always either at my bus stop, sitting on the Homeless Congregational Bench or at the feet of Woodhouse stocks. As yet, we've simply failed to be at the bus stop at the same time. Yesterday I received a cheery "alright, pal?" from him and his binbag-wearing friend.

The thing that tickled me about the fella was his warped view of life (we discussed far more than I covered in my post - it was edited for ease of reading) , and his almost cliched attituded to booze, his non-cliched possession of a cash card, and the simple fact that he was as batty as a fruit cake.

Of course I'll talk to the little fella again - I just didn't want to be hassled by him should he turn out to be dangerously batty.

Oh, and er - I'm a Guardian reader myself.
:hihi:

Originally posted by Ant


Anyway, his bus came, he stood up, and left me with a friendly handshake. But what I'm slightly worried about is this fella being there every night while I wait for my bus. I buy my Big Issue, I do my bit. Is that enough? Am I allowed to shuffle away from the drunken scruff the next time we sit together? What do the Guardian readers out there think? Do I have to allow the tramp to be my friend? I respect him as a person, but the person is, let's face it, a boring, drunken scruff. Difficult.

What you should do is find a mate who owns one of those mobile phones with a video recorder option. Your mate then films you as you hug and kiss the tramp whilst pouring his special brew in his dry mouth, offering him help to stop smoking and offering him the use of your cash card. Leave the tramp in his own happieness and you can invite him home for tea and scones.

Problem solved

I am sorry dylan 61, but that simply is not on. You propose only half a solution. What is poor Ant going to do when the wretched tramp recovers, as surely he will? Why not set the itinerant menace on fire too? Surely everybody enjoys the spectacle of a blazing tramp? It is the sign of a society at ease with itself. Aside from providing pleasure and instruction, cremation is much more 'ecologically- friendly' than burial.

Dylan what an awful thing to say, even if it was only supposed to be in fun it is bang out of order.

if there was supposed to be a funny side of that its gone way over my head :rant:

Originally posted by dylan_61
What you should do is find a mate who owns one of those mobile phones with a video recorder option. Your mate then films you as you beat the crap out of the tramp whilst pouring his special brew down the drain, smoking his fags and stealing his cash card. Leave the tramp in his own blood, vomit, drink and urine and you wont have to speak to him again.

Problem solved

This is a disturbing post by dylan_61.

I have attended a police interview of a 16 year old youth who with his mates, thought it wickedly funny to beat the crap out of two tramps. They were beaten with an iron bar, and kicked about. All good entertainment for bored youths.

The tramps were in fact left in their own blood alright. One died, and the other is permanently hospitalised. The youth got 20 years - it would have been life imprisonment were it not for his age.

Tramps have no value to society do they dylan_61? They are not to be pitied - just subject to a brutal attack. After all, dylan_61, it is quite clear that tramps are there just for your sick entertainment. I suspect that there is something pathologically disturbing about you after reading this sickening post.

i totally agree with that redrobbo.... very sickening post indeed.

come on mods you manage to take other posts away cant you remove dylans for its vile content?????

Originally posted by redrobbo
This is a disturbing post by dylan_61.

I have attended a police interview of a 16 year old youth who with his mates, thought it wickedly funny to beat the crap out of two tramps. They were beaten with an iron bar, and kicked about. All good entertainment for bored youths.

The tramps were in fact left in their own blood alright. One died, and the other is permanently hospitalised. The youth got 20 years - it would have been life imprisonment were it not for his age.

Tramps have no value to society do they dylan_61? They are not to be pitied - just subject to a brutal attack. After all, dylan_61, it is quite clear that tramps are there just for your sick entertainment. I suspect that there is something pathologically disturbing about you after reading this sickening post.

Can't see what problem you have with spreading the love to our fallen brothers

be a smart fart all ya want dylan but i reported your original post before you edited it :thumbsup:

Ant, repelling the tramp is simple. He sounds like the kid of guy who has an irrational dislike of minority groups, so you just need to put yourself in a minority group and he'll avoid you like the plague.

So, you've either got to pretend to be...

a) Of ethnic origion
b) Gay
c) A lesbian
4) A Buddhist or Pagen

And he'll automatically hate you.

Personally I think you're best bet is to be gay for an evening. Just camp it up at the bus stop, do a bit of mincing and call him 'dahling'. He'll run a mile.

****Disclaimer: This post was written in light-hearted jest and is not intended to offend the afore mentioned minority groups****

Mod:

We have a copy of the original post by dylan_61, before he edited it, so we know what he wrote.

If the members hadn't rebuked you so well you would have had your post pulled and received a formal warning by PM.

However, as you have well and truly chastised, I'm going to leave your bonkers, albeit edited, post for all to see, along with the objections.

You are also warned - bans may follow. Please be more considerate in future.

well im Pagan and i wasnt offended JBee :D made me laugh tho cos beleive it or not they still congrigate round me even when they know im one :hihi:

Originally posted by Litha
well im Pagan and i wasnt offended JBee :D made me laugh tho cos beleive it or not they still congrigate round me even when they know im one :hihi:

Ha! Good on you Litha. I like pagans, one of my most interesting conversations ever was with a grandmother and high priestess of the craft and she gave me a lucky charm which I've always kept.

You're clearly not trying hard enough with the tramps though! Don't you have a broomstick you can bash them with? ;-)

eeeeeeewwwww and get tramp juice alover it *yuk yuk*

it wouldnt have happened to be pat crowther would it ?

Indeed. Very intriuging... Do you know her?

daft as it seems no i dont know her personally ( of course i know OF her :D and lots of stuff n things ) apparently shes been pooly lately so not been out and about, i know alot of peeps that were in her covens, and shes going to my friends handfasting but unfortunatly due to work i will miss :(

Hmmm, well I found her very fascinating, if very eccentric. In fact, I did quite a lot of research into Witchcraft after speaking with her and even considered taking the plunge!

As in becoming a witch. Not as in diving into a pool.

im sorting a new venue out for my moots ( angel pub @ woodhouse) will prob be next month now before they start up again come and have a chat with us if ya fancy, its for everyone, whether already on the path or just interested, really its just an excuse for a booze up heehee. im hoping that we will be able to organise talks demonstrations, picniks in the beer garden etc.. not got all the details sorted yet cos just moved em from the cross keys pub as that was abit small and wasnt really handy for talks and stuff

Thanks for the invite Litha, but no can do.

I'm a Sheffield ex-pat, I now live in Bonny Scotland. Maybe I'll try to find out if they do similar stuff up here though - those can off meetings sound interesting, with no pressure...

ill PM you with some contacts for scotland JBee :thumbsup:
there should deff be no pressure involved at all , us Pagans arnt like the johovas witnesses LOL we dont ram down ya neck. of course ya still find nutters as in all things.

i am sooooo jealouse you are in scotland :|

Yep, it's very beautiful up here. Bit chillier than Sheffield though - nippy nip nips!

Some contacts would be great, I wouldn't mind investigationg things a bit further.

Originally posted by Tony
Mod:

We have a copy of the original post by dylan_61, before he edited it, so we know what he wrote.

If the members hadn't rebuked you so well you would have had your post pulled and received a formal warning by PM.

However, as you have well and truly chastised, I'm going to leave your bonkers, albeit edited, post for all to see, along with the objections.

You are also warned - bans may follow. Please be more considerate in future.

I'm glad to see humour bypasses are alive and well in the cutting edge world of chat room moderation. I didn't change the post to remove it (someone had quoted me a couple of posts down so it would have been pointless), I changed it because it sounded amusing.

I have trouble believing such an absurd post about tramp beating was taken so seriously, some of you need to calm down a bit.

Peace and Love folks

Originally posted by savbaby
i thought it was illegal to drink in the streets? it isin Glasgow

Well there's Section 12 of the Licensing Act 1872, which says it's an offence "Being drunk in a highway, other public place or licensed premises".

Then there's Section 91 of the Criminal Justice Act 1967, which stops "Disorderly behaviour while drunk in a public place"

There's also Section 12 of The Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001, which bans "Consumption of alcohol in designated public place".

Or alternatively there's my favourite, Section 5 of The Public Order Act 1986, or "being an a**ehole with intent", which includes "Disorderly conduct likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress"

Or in other words, sitting at the bus stop or wherever quietly having a can after work is fine, but sitting at same bus stop on your 8th can giving people abuse is somewhat different.

Surprisingly sensible if you ask me...

Originally posted by dylan_61

I have trouble believing such an absurd post about tramp beating was taken so seriously, some of you need to calm down a bit.

Peace and Love folks

with the amount of the daft thing called happy slapping going about at the mo i think maybe thats why it wasnt seen as funny it kind of hit a raw nerve on people ( me included)
your edited version was very funny tho. ;)

Originally posted by dylan_61
I'm glad to see humour bypasses are alive and well in the cutting edge world of chat room moderation. I didn't change the post to remove it (someone had quoted me a couple of posts down so it would have been pointless), I changed it because it sounded amusing.

I have trouble believing such an absurd post about tramp beating was taken so seriously, some of you need to calm down a bit.

Peace and Love folks

And after reading your original post, I can't believe you thought you wouldn't get the reaction you did.

Someone earlier used the word sick; troll is the word on my lips - take your pick :|

Originally posted by dylan_61
I'm glad to see humour bypasses are alive and well in the cutting edge world of chat room moderation. I didn't change the post to remove it (someone had quoted me a couple of posts down so it would have been pointless), I changed it because it sounded amusing.

I have trouble believing such an absurd post about tramp beating was taken so seriously, some of you need to calm down a bit.

Peace and Love folks
Please remember, I will always have the last word. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Kristian
And after reading your original post, I can't believe you thought you wouldn't get the reaction you did.

Someone earlier used the word sick; troll is the word on my lips - take your pick :| I thought Moderators where there to keep the peace on the forum and not there to fuel arguments by joining in calling dylan61 a sick troll or whatever words are on your lips at the time :( i thought you guys had to be above all this silly squabbling to get the job?

Nahhh... we love a bit of a squabble ;)

Power crazed, that's us. We talk about you all in the pub too! :D

Originally posted by Tony
Nahhh... we love a bit of a squabble ;)

Power crazed, that's us. We talk about you all in the pub too! :D You Moderators actually climb out of the rocks you hide behind to go to the pub :D do you get time with all them threads you have to delete ;) joke :hihi: i like you all really :gag:

Originally posted by Jon
I thought Moderators where there to keep the peace on the forum and not there to fuel arguments by joining in calling dylan61 a sick troll or whatever words are on your lips at the time :( i thought you guys had to be above all this silly squabbling to get the job?

Being a Mod doesn't mean we shouldn't have opinions Jon; if we didn't have opinions, how would we know what is acceptable?

Incidentally, have another read of my earlier post. Can you see a difference between what I said and your interpretation? :)

*Fridays topic of conversation in the Pub... 'What foul punishment to inflict on Jon' ... that will teach him to be cocky*

:D

Originally posted by Tony
*Fridays topic of conversation in the Pub... 'What foul punishment to inflict on Jon' ... that will teach him to be cocky*

:D :thumbsup: nice Moderators Jon didn't mean it (Golum Golum) this brings back memories of fights with Geoff and RPG good old days ;)

Mean While Back At Ant's Thread :D

Or in other words, sitting at the bus stop or wherever quietly having a can after work is fine, but sitting at same bus stop on your 8th can giving people abuse is somewhat different.

Thanks for the clarification and the wise words, Steev.

Power crazed, that's us. We talk about you all in the pub too! Ah, that's why my ears are always burning! My name must be mud. :hihi:

Actually, mods, feel free to close the thread - it's generated rather more heat than I ever imagined, and it's rather lost track of its roots. It was fun.





In places!

Originally posted by redrobbo
Tramps have no value to society do they dylan_61?

Perhaps you can explain how they add value to society?

Do tramps serve some non-obvious purpose that most of us don't see/understand but without which the very fabric of society would break down? Are they to society what flies are to mother nature?

Tramps are a way of reminding us what happens if you drink too much too often

At the end of the day the thing you gotta remember about all this is that tramps & trampettes are both someone's sons/daughters and they may be parents too.

They are human beings and deserve to be treated as such.

I dread to think what I would be like if I ever had to be in their situations.. I hope I never will be.

Thats why I always give them cash, I dont care what they do with the money, as long as it brightens their day for a while.