I live on Holgate, and last night just after 11.30 a gang of lads came down the road and smashed the windows of at least half a dozen cars, the police were a waste of time, they were supposed to be sending the helecopter up but they didn't, it wasn't just confined to cars parked on the road, a couple were on their drives.
I just wanted to let every one know so you can keep an eye out, and protect you cars

Without sounding patronising, exactly how would you protect your car from this sort of incident? Are you gonna move into the car for a few weeks. . or peep through the curtains every ten minutes on the off chance. .

If its gonna happen, it's gonna happen and the only warning worth sounding is "make sure your insured!"

the only comment i can give is ``they hit your car you hit them but twice as hard so they dont do it again``they are scum .

So your gonna hit " half a dozen lads" individually or all at the same time. . ???

geee-ore!

To late, they've already wrecked my dads after using it as a trampoline :rant:

Brrr was cold on my Stakeout but they haven't been back since ;)

wonder y its fun to smash up cars? wot do they get out of it. i hope one day they top themselves cause all the guilt caught up with them.

It was more to let people know Munky, I found out today that about 30 cars were done on Wordsworth last week, and the police don't seem to be doing anything!
Its ok being insured, but you still have to pay the excess. and not every body can afford it.

Just to let you know munky, I've just had to shell out £50 excess to have my window replaced. I feel real good that I'm fully comp insurance. Would have cost me lot's more if I wasn't
Guess what munky? I'm still mad so I guess your philosophy don't work. Doooh.

munky ..if you hit one of them hard enough with a bball bat the rest run or stand there crying, trust me ive done it ,i know its not clever but the satisfaction of catching them after they have cost you money by smashing your property is worth it and if hurting one of them caused the other 3 to think what they have done and stop it then id do it again and again.
thats what the young ones these days are lacking ..respect,if they know when they hurt someone they get hurt themselfs, the crime and vandalism will soon stop but they think they have a right .

My sons friends car was smashed to bits last night and the chinese near it at Chaucer road.

You really can`t have anything can you ?

Originally posted by codeman_cas
if you hit one of them hard enough with a bball bat the rest run or stand there crying, trust me ive done it ,i know its not clever but the satisfaction of catching them after they have cost you money by smashing your property is worth it and if hurting one of them caused the other 3 to think what they have done and stop it then id do it again and again.

Well said, Sir. I'd do the very same thing.

get cct.v installed on your drive if you have 1 i know its too late now for these peeps but ive got it and belive me it works i have just prossicuted 1 scumbag now the word has got around we have a camera on the house its supprising how many people walk on the other side of the road so as not to be on candid camera lol!!we got ours installed for £200 from a manchester firm what advertises in the ad.mag but you have to buy a portable t.v and video recorder on top of this price but well worth it :thumbsup:

Originally posted by codeman_cas
munky ..if you hit one of them hard enough with a bball bat the rest run or stand there crying, trust me ive done it ,i know its not clever but the satisfaction of catching them after they have cost you money by smashing your property is worth it and if hurting one of them caused the other 3 to think what they have done and stop it then id do it again and again.
thats what the young ones these days are lacking ..respect,if they know when they hurt someone they get hurt themselfs, the crime and vandalism will soon stop but they think they have a right .
If you tried that where I used to live in shiregreen, you would have had the kids father, brothers and uncles at your door with baseball bats of their own showing you why you should not do that.

I know what you mean though, I would rather give one of them biggest lesson of their tiny lives by caving his head in than stand their seeing my property get damaged.

AJ i live on foxhill which is as bad and im self employed so i work bloody hard and do a lot of chasing to get my money not for some scrote to damage it.

Originally posted by codeman_cas
AJ i live on foxhill which is as bad and im self employed so i work bloody hard and do a lot of chasing to get my money not for some scrote to damage it.
I know exactly what you mean codeman but I was just pointing out the mob mentality on these council estates. Some of the parents are worse than some of these thick mindless youths that are terrorising the areas. People who commit crimes against the working class community should be dealt with harshly. I dont have a problem with you using the bat, but I would have a problem if the kid came later with backup and hurt you, after all your only protecting whats yours.

The pieces of low life that do this sort of thing don't have any respect for other peoples property because invariably they don't have any of their own and so can't relate to it.

Respect? That's just a fancy word to them, made popular by Tony Blair, if they don't understand it, how can they show it?

What amases me is that with the Police being so ineffective, either by accident or design, there hasn't been any sign of local vigilante groups set up.

I know, totally illegal, but understandable.
If the yobs knew that after they'd smashed a few windscreens, shop windows, that they were going to paid back in their own coin i.e treated in the same manner that they treat other peoples property, they'd think twice.

It does make you wonder if an eye for an eye might just have some effect.
The due process of law and order certainly doesn't.

Parson Cross = full of chavs.

Always has been, probably always will be...

Philip B you have been found guilty of airing views that go against the doctrines of the forums soft luvvies and you will now be subjected to an attack from the forum cotton wool brigade who will educate you in the Blairite ways of zero punishment and forgiveness.
They will tell you how the punishment dished out by vigilantes is nothing more than lowering yourself to their level, how innocent people could be targetted by mistake. How the vigilantes themselves either are or could become entrenched in crime themselves. Who would pass sentence, who would dish it out ?
There are many pros and cons with regards to employing vigilantes. We could eventually end up with the vigilantes being paid hit money or even protection money, who knows where it will end.
One thing is for sure, if someone smashed my car up and I knew who it was I would smash theirs up, or their parents. Even if just for that little bit of satisfaction.

Originally posted by Rich
Parson Cross = full of chavs.

Always has been, probably always will be...

This is historically inaccurate. A generation ago Parson Cross was a nice area (as was Pitsmoor).

AJ, my most sincere apologies, how could I possibly want retribution?

Probably the best way to deal with these unfortunate young adults is to organise a round the world trip, obviously we'll have to pay because they come from such disadvantaged backgrounds that they have no money, apart from that spent on drink and drugs, which as everyone knows is a perfectly legitimate excuse, sorry reason, to give an OAP a good kicking for their few quid etc etc etc etc etc ad infinitum.

Why do I go down this tack?
I was born and brought up in the Park District in the 50's and 60's. Both parents very peripherally associated with the gangs from previous decades.
It was perfectly safe to go about that area, and let's be honest here, the Park isn't exactly the most salubrious area is it? at any time of day or night.
Sure there were gangs of kids about til all hours, I was one of them.
Did we make a noise, of course. Did we cause any bother, sure.

Did we know where to draw the line?

Too bl**dy right we did.
Why?
Because if we over stepped the mark then someone was going to tell your old man and guess what?
You'd get such a leathering that being arrested by the Police would be a blessing in comparison.

Now of course it's all different.
How much more bizzare can you get than it being acceptable for a child to take his / her parents to court for hitting them?

Sorry, I've gone on too long but the present way of dealing with yobs isn't working.
Make the parents pay for their kids behaviour and if it's a custodial matter then so be it.

Guarantee that there won't be many repeat offenders.

Originally posted by AJ sheffield
If you tried that where I used to live in shiregreen, you would have had the kids father, brothers and uncles at your door with baseball bats of their own showing you why you should not do that.


I would say this is a good reason not to be a vigalante - you could end up getting seriously hurt! Kids carry knives and all sorts these days.

Philip I'm sure there was crime in your day too ya know! People tend to put their rose tinted specs on to look at the past. I think those kids smashing up cars just need more attention from their parents, some love and discipline. It is always said 'no-one teaches you how to be a parent' - well they should!

Originally posted by LordChaverly
This is historically inaccurate. A generation ago Parson Cross was a nice area (as was Pitsmoor).
it was ok when i was a bit younger and im only 24
:hihi:

we had some fool smash the chippie windows and door last night on chaucer rd, what they get out of doing it i dont know?:gag:

Grrrr I hate it, my car insurance is already double that than a different postcode (such as S13)

Originally posted by Rich
Parson Cross = full of chavs.

Always has been, probably always will be...

Nice to see you've put a lot of thought into that post.

After all, I know you hate stereotyping people.... :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Originally posted by Rich
Parson Cross = full of chavs.

Always has been, probably always will be...
the world if full of chavs, not just the cross.

When was the last time u wer on the cross Rich??? Obviously not reasently cus it int full of chavs as u put it!! There are normal people living on there! Like most of my friends and family n I think ur rude to judge wen u dont no!

CCTV as far as I am concerned is the only way to go.
Sooner or later these yobs who I may say do not C**P on their own doorstep will get the message.

CCTV is very easy to install.
You must adhere to the following points choose the right camera for the right application & the right lense for the right aplication, make sure that you mount the bracket in the right place, and the cabling is installed correctly, so on & so on

Do not be tempted into buying a cheap cctv system from the sheds.
You are purchasing with your hard earned money a piece of equipment to do one thing and that is recognition of the individual

If anybody wants any free technical advice please send me a p.m or visit my site at

http://www.meriton-electrical.co.uk/

Then click on the link for Advive

Then click on home security Think about your home security

There is an email link there if you prefer
All my technical advice is free
Regards
Tony

Originally posted by Rich
Parson Cross = full of chavs.

Always has been, probably always will be...

i live on parson cross and i am not a chav!!!
there are good and bad people in ALL areas and i think you will find that parson cross is actually improving. i have never had any serious trouble, yes there are idiots out and about but like i say they are in ALL areas. on my road everyone is very friendly, never any trouble always very quiet. so before you start classing EVERYONE in Parson cross as a chav just think who you are insulting!!!!!! :rant:

Why do some people assume these "chavs" come from the cross.:confused: Or do they know who they are:suspect: Wake up, this sort of thing happens all the time ,no matter where you live.:rant: Poor things have nothing better to do with their lives:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Rich
Parson Cross = full of chavs.

Always has been, probably always will be...
I've lived in Parson Cross nearly all my life, and I agree with savbaby, things are improving, perhaps if they'd kept the kerfew going, things would have improved more!!!!!!!1

And one last thing, what the bl**dy hell is a "CHAV" coz i'm absoloutly sure that i'm not one.

Originally posted by gina1970
I live on Holgate, and last night just after 11.30 a gang of lads came down the road and smashed the windows of at least half a dozen cars, the police were a waste of time, they were supposed to be sending the helecopter up but they didn't, it wasn't just confined to cars parked on the road, a couple were on their drives.
I just wanted to let every one know so you can keep an eye out, and protect you cars

I don't know if you're aware, but there is one helicopter for the whole of South Yorkshire, and it may have been committed in, say, Doncaster, when YOU decided YOU needed it.

It is also bound by the aviation authority as to how many hours it is allowed in the air. NOT by the best scapegoats in the world, the police, but the aviation authority. So if they had used up their hours that day, they are not allowed to lift again.

Can you be more specific as to how the police were a waste of time in other ways?

Originally posted by gina1970
I've lived in Parson Cross nearly all my life, and I agree with savbaby, things are improving, perhaps if they'd kept the kerfew going, things would have improved more!!!!!!!1

And one last thing, what the bl**dy hell is a "CHAV" coz i'm absoloutly sure that i'm not one.

Chavs (http://www.chavscum.co.uk)

Originally posted by BoroughGal
I don't know if you're aware, but there is one helicopter for the whole of South Yorkshire, and it may have been committed in, say, Doncaster, when YOU decided YOU needed it.

It is also bound by the aviation authority as to how many hours it is allowed in the air. NOT by the best scapegoats in the world, the police, but the aviation authority. So if they had used up their hours that day, they are not allowed to lift again.

Can you be more specific as to how the police were a waste of time in other ways?
It was the police who told us that they were sending the helecopter, I didn't assume that they would. The police didn't even send a car round at any point that night (or since), which is possibly why 2 lads were also attacked that night in colley park, a lot happened that night, a shop was vandalised, cars were smashed, and lads were attacked, all withing a mile radius, perhaps if the police had been around, some of the incidents could have been avoided.

Maybe the police weren't sat in an office, drinking coffee, maybe they were dealing with something more important?

Originally posted by Rich
Parson Cross = full of chavs

I suppose it was only a matter of time *sigh* :roll:

Originally posted by BoroughGal
Maybe the police weren't sat in an office, drinking coffee, maybe they were dealing with something more important?
The reason I feel that the Police are ineffective on Parson Cross is the lack of their consistant pressence. If something big goes off you can't move for them for a few days, but in a day to day ongoing situation they are very poor.
Saturday night's ordeal started around 9.00 pm on Margetson which included trouble on the shops (shock!), and a car driven madly by some youths. This was followed by windscreen smashing and then 2 lads beeing attacked in Colley Park.
If the police had concentrated on the area after the 1st incident then maybe the other incidents might not have happened.
They must be going around with their eyes shut as there are plenty of signs to alert them to potential trouble. eg, the disabled railing outside Bargain Booze on Chaucer shops got trashed and in the evenings there are always a group of youths on these shops. The fact that this windscreen smashing has been going on for over a week and no change in police pressence. Please don't give me the excuse about lack of resourses as that is a load of Bull.
There are 2 or 3 main familly's on Cross who think they own the place and have done for years. The parents were yobs and now their kids are and the police would rather turn a blind eye than get involved.
Me thinks BoroughGal is a member or is married to a member of the police, which is why she is posting such replies.
Parson Cross is a good area generally, Don't let these yobs bring it down.

Originally posted by BoroughGal
Maybe the police weren't sat in an office, drinking coffee, maybe they were dealing with something more important?

You mean like escorting an empty BMW around the city on 9 motorbikes? :rolleyes:

Scottishdude.

I still say maybe they were busy elsewhere. And maybe the reason they can't give the level of presence you require is because they are busy responding to other incidents. They can't give EVERYONE in EVERY AREA the sort of presence they want.

I think they get a rough press especially on here and I think they do a good job with the limited resources they have. Do I have to be a police officer or married to one to feel this? Incidentally, I'm neither.

And Andy, not quite sure what you're on about mate.

Carrying on from my diatribe of yesterday, guess what's in one of the Scottish papers today?

A Police Force is going to remove gangs of youths from the streets.

Why?
a)By removing them it ensures they can't cause any trouble.
OK, that's fine so far.

b) They (the Police) are organising games of football for the youths so they'll be able to show respect to others.

Come onnnnnnnn.

Perhaps it's me. Am I just missing something fundamental here?

If someone causes trouble then that's an offence.
Offences have to be punished.

If law and order aren't the cornerstone of a civilised society would someone please enlighten me as to what is.

Originally posted by scottishdude
The reason I feel that the Police are ineffective on Parson Cross is the lack of their consistant pressence. If something big goes off you can't move for them for a few days, but in a day to day ongoing situation they are very poor.
Saturday night's ordeal started around 9.00 pm on Margetson which included trouble on the shops (shock!), and a car driven madly by some youths. This was followed by windscreen smashing and then 2 lads beeing attacked in Colley Park.
If the police had concentrated on the area after the 1st incident then maybe the other incidents might not have happened.
They must be going around with their eyes shut as there are plenty of signs to alert them to potential trouble. eg, the disabled railing outside Bargain Booze on Chaucer shops got trashed and in the evenings there are always a group of youths on these shops. The fact that this windscreen smashing has been going on for over a week and no change in police pressence. Please don't give me the excuse about lack of resourses as that is a load of Bull.
There are 2 or 3 main familly's on Cross who think they own the place and have done for years. The parents were yobs and now their kids are and the police would rather turn a blind eye than get involved.
Me thinks BoroughGal is a member or is married to a member of the police, which is why she is posting such replies.
Parson Cross is a good area generally, Don't let these yobs bring it down.
i live on margetson and you know i must be blind cause i have seen none of this!!! no cars have been touched on our road, they only thing i see is a fence across the road has been knocked down, dunno if a car has gone into it or not but i have heard nowt. i have never had any trouble here and i have lived here for 2 years. i agree with the police situation, considering there is a station just down the road they dont seem to be about much!!

Originally posted by savbaby
i live on margetson and you know i must be blind cause i have seen none of this!!! no cars have been touched on our road, they only thing i see is a fence across the road has been knocked down, dunno if a car has gone into it or not but i have heard nowt. i have never had any trouble here and i have lived here for 2 years. i agree with the police situation, considering there is a station just down the road they dont seem to be about much!! take a walk around parson cross, its no worse than any other large build up area, true it can be nice and quite, sometimes, then somedays you just want the prats to go away, i live on chaucer and am sick to death of the prats we have that hang around the shops etc, but at the same time pitty some of these kids, thinking of what their parents/family life must be like, if thats all they can find to do and waste their young life. But i also say that you cant blame the police for not getting ther fast....... they must have loads of jobs, and more to do than chase kids... theres worse things in life..... items can be replaced. people cant!

Originally posted by BoroughGal
I don't know if you're aware, but there is one helicopter for the whole of South Yorkshire, and it may have been committed in, say, Doncaster, when YOU decided YOU needed it.

It is also bound by the aviation authority as to how many hours it is allowed in the air. NOT by the best scapegoats in the world, the police, but the aviation authority. So if they had used up their hours that day, they are not allowed to lift again.

Can you be more specific as to how the police were a waste of time in other ways?

Probably attending a football match.... AGAIN.:rolleyes: