Is the term "Racist" used too frequently?
Is it sometimes used as an excuse

I believe racism has become somewhat.. over used

banning of nursery rhymes, terms such as "Black board" etc When "White board" is still used

Any thought on this?

why has this happened?

sigh the same old ********

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I think people starting threads moaning about people moaning about racism, who aren't moaning about racism, is overused!

oh no.... not another one!

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Is the term "Racist" used too frequently?
Is it sometimes used as an excuse

I believe racism has become somewhat.. over used

banning of nursery rhymes, terms such as "Black board" etc When "White board" is still used

Any thought on this?

why has this happened?Any examples you'd like to share?

Blackboard as a term is not banned, and i'd be interested to see any evidence it is - it's usually trotted out as an example of "PC Gone Mad!!" when in all likeliness, it's not used because blackboards are rarely seen any more. A blackboard is an entirely different thing to a whiteboard.

Add to that the fact that SHU (and a lot of academic institutions) use an online courseware package called Blackboard and don't try to hide the fact, it's quite difficult to see how it could in any way be considered banned (by who?)

As for Nursery Rhymes, this is another one that pops up frequently - with some basis in fact. The original story is here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4782856.stm)

It's debatable if the intention was political correctness or just someone well meaning, thinking that encouraging them to change around the words (red, yellow, black, white) to improve their vocabulary. It applied in just two nurseries.

But what I always wonder is that has this supposed "banning" actually affected you? Are you really sitting at home singing a nursery rhyme to your children (or yourself) worried that the police are about to arrest you?

oh no.... not another one!

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Exactly!
Some topics are done to death, with no originality. Here's (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416228) another example.

Any examples you'd like to share?

Blackboard as a term is not banned, and i'd be interested to see any evidence it is - it's usually trotted out as an example of "PC Gone Mad!!" when in all likeliness, it's not used because blackboards are rarely seen any more. A blackboard is an entirely different thing to a whiteboard.

Add to that the fact that SHU (and a lot of academic institutions) use an online courseware package called Blackboard and don't try to hide the fact, it's quite difficult to see how it could in any way be considered banned (by who?)

As for Nursery Rhymes, this is another one that pops up frequently - with some basis in fact. The original story is here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4782856.stm)

It's debatable if the intention was political correctness or just someone well meaning, thinking that encouraging them to change around the words (red, yellow, black, white) to improve their vocabulary. It applied in just two nurseries.

But what I always wonder is that has this supposed "banning" actually affected you? Are you really sitting at home singing a nursery rhyme to your children (or yourself) worried that the police are about to arrest you?

no he just wants to use it as an excuse to "stand up for the little man" "the minority thats being downtrodden" "hes a lone ranger in a pc world"

all those blackboard / whiteboard stories, christmas stories, nursery rhyme stories are by large urban MYTHS to use as ammo by the "anti pc brigade"

as for the term racist being overused?
if your racist your racist and theres no other term for it, certain people seem to resent being called it, if you have certain views STAND UP FOR THEM, i do
there does seem to be alot of use of the term on here..........thats because there IS a lot of people with racist views

its all good fun




:rolleyes:

Anyone think racism is fueled by some aspects of the media?

Did you know that there is no such work as 'gullible' in the Oxford English Dictionary?

Anyone think racism is fued by some aspects of the media?
yup

people see things on telly and in the newspapers and it starts to form their views.
if you only read one type of paper etc you only get one view...normally negative

Anyone think racism is fued by some aspects of the media?

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=4307027&postcount=2171

Did you know that there is no such work as 'gullible' in the Oxford English Dictionary?
:rolleyes:

I am not racist but…………..over to you. :roll:

What does it mean?.. it's not just black people who this but can also apply to white too. Have you ever played the race card?

as the title says is the economy and society getting similar to Germany pre ww2 .

is there going to be a rise in racial tension. :suspect:

Threads merged

Any examples you'd like to share?

Blackboard as a term is not banned, and i'd be interested to see any evidence it is - it's usually trotted out as an example of "PC Gone Mad!!" when in all likeliness, it's not used because blackboards are rarely seen any more. A blackboard is an entirely different thing to a whiteboard.



It was actually a similar thread to this one that drew me to posting on the forum, four years ago.

Someone else was lameting the 'banning' of the word blackboard in schools and it struck a chord with some posters until the intervention of a very eloquent and common sense poster, who was a school student at the time, confirming that the word was in no way banned and attacking the stupidity of adults who believed otherwise.

What does it mean?.. it's not just black people who this but can also apply to white too. Have you ever played the race card?

Please don't answer this anyone - it was just a p*** take!.. if you do your a racist! :rant:

Please don't answer this anyone - it was just a p*** take!.. if you do your a racist! :rant:



why did you post it lestat if people cannot answer it?:)

why did you post it lestat if people cannot answer it?:)

Because it was originally another thread - just a p***take of all the racist threads and it's somehow got merged lol!:hihi:

with the possibility of increase of racial tension could this cause an exodus of Muslims
and other immigrants that came for economic reasons .

Somebody calling somebody racist now usually means that they're having a job on getting their own way or losing an argument.

Because it was originally another thread - just a p***take of all the racist threads and it's somehow got merged lol!:hihi:

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Somebody calling somebody racist now usually means that they're having a job on getting their own way or losing an argument.

this quite often happens to me, i am called racist all the time by the lefties on here:|

confirming that the word was in no way banned and attacking the stupidity of adults who believed otherwise.

Wouldn’t that depend on the LEA or do you know the policy of them all.

Somebody calling somebody racist now usually means that they're having a job on getting their own way or losing an argument.

Usually someone who discriminates against someone solely because of their race, is a racist, it's not a definition that requires intense interrogation, so can be readily applied, if there's a positive outcome to the test of the definition.

Usually someone who discriminates against someone solely because of their race, is a racist, it's not a definition that requires intense interrogation, so can be readily applied, if there's a positive outcome to the test of the definition.

Yes, but the term 'racist' can also be abused don't you think?

Usually someone who discriminates against someone solely because of their race, is a racist, it's not a definition that requires intense interrogation, so can be readily applied, if there's a positive outcome to the test of the definition.


So many words, so little meaning!

So many words, so little meaning!

perhaps a dictionary would help you? :)

So many words, so little meaning!

in a shorter manner he meant your a racist if you discriminate due to race

Somebody calling somebody racist now usually means that they're having a job on getting their own way or losing an argument.
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because it is sometimes the only thing left to throw...doh!

Usually someone who discriminates against someone solely because of their race, is a racist, it's not a definition that requires intense interrogation, so can be readily applied, if there's a positive outcome to the test of the definition.

How do you come to this conclusion about someone you don’t know, the BBC presenter asked for a white taxi driver, does anyone know the story behind the headline, I doubt it, it’s a lot easier to call her a racist. :loopy:

Wouldn’t that depend on the LEA or do you know the policy of them all.

It doesn't depend on anything, the word was never banned.

The stories are all apochryphal, an invention of the Constipated Club to discredit positive social thinking and multi culturism.

You only have to Google 'was the word blackboard ever banned?' and loads of anecdotal hits come back of no provenance. 'a bloke at work said...', type thing.

If it had happened there would be a myriad of news stories identifying the organisations involved.

The teenager who addressed the issue, stripped away the paranoid delusion of adults believing what they wanted to believe.

this quite often happens to me, i am called racist all the time by the lefties on here:|

Its a huge assumption that people who aren't racist are 'lefties'. Does that mean all racists are 'righties'? I'm not left or right wing, just a person who never judges purely on skin colour or the fact that someone comes from the USA, Ghana, Israel, Barnsley or wherever. In my experience the majority of reasonable people hold similar views, regardless of their politics, unless these are really extreme.

Now I may well judge people on their views and their behaviour. But views and behaviour are things that people choose, unlike the colour of their eyes or the size of their ears, or their skintone. (Apart from dayglo orange, no-one's born with that, its actually paid for :gag:)

If people call you racist, d'you think you might be writing things that appear that way? The way we come over on the internet may not be how we really are - thats why its worth taking a moment to check what we've written rather than go off on one and press the send key.

banning of nursery rhymes, terms such as "Black board" etc When "White board" is still used

Any thought on this?

why has this happened?

It hasn't. You have used two Mailesque rants against political correctness. Neither is true.

How do you come to this conclusion about someone you don’t know, the BBC presenter asked for a white taxi driver, does anyone know the story behind the headline, I doubt it, it’s a lot easier to call her a racist. :loopy:
no, she asked for a none asian, so she didnt want an asian, so shes discriminating against ALL asians, which is racist

in a shorter manner he meant your a racist if you discriminate due to race


The question being asked was whether it is used to get your own way or when losing an argument.
He didn't say if this can be the case or not, just waffled on.

Somebody calling somebody racist now usually means that they're having a job on getting their own way or losing an argument.

A bit like calling someone a troll, it’s a copout.

I was behind a young girl at the post office who was being refused payment as there was doubt over her signature, she started having a wobbler and playing the racist card.

:o

Its a huge assumption that people who aren't racist are 'lefties'. Does that mean all racists are 'righties'? I'm not left or right wing, just a person who never judges purely on skin colour or the fact that someone comes from the USA, Ghana, Israel, Barnsley or wherever. In my experience the majority of reasonable people hold similar views, regardless of their politics, unless these are really extreme.

Now I may well judge people on their views and their behaviour. But views and behaviour are things that people choose, unlike the colour of their eyes or the size of their ears, or their skintone. (Apart from dayglo orange, no-one's born with that, its actually paid for :gag:)

If people call you racist, d'you think you might be writing things that appear that way? The way we come over on the internet may not be how we really are - thats why its worth taking a moment to check what we've written rather than go off on one and press the send key.



i hold the same beliefs as you but because i do not like the islam religion or what it stands for then i am branded a racist.


just recently i have thought that what i put may come across as different to how i wanted it to sound so i will try to make an effort in the future to make what i write sound exactly like i want it so sound.:D

How do you come to this conclusion about someone you don’t know, the BBC presenter asked for a white taxi driver, does anyone know the story behind the headline, I doubt it, it’s a lot easier to call her a racist. :loopy:

My conclusion was reached based on a set of circumstances outlined in the news story the OP provided a link to and sort opinions on.

If they were as presented, then yes the woman is a racist.

As I'm condemning the individual, my views about her behaviour do not influence my feelings towards woman, white women or white women in particular.

Since she is unlikely to be a member of this forum, the consequences of my criticism, if the story was inaccurate are not significant.

A bit like calling someone a troll, it’s a copout.

I was behind a young girl at the post office who was being refused payment as there was doubt over her signature, she started having a wobbler and playing the racist card.

:o



was she asian :hihi: :hihi:

no, she asked for a none asian, so she didnt want an asian, so shes discriminating against ALL asians, which is racist

Did anyone ask why she didn`t wanted an Asian, or doesn’t that matter, quality until proven innocent is it. :suspect:

A bit like calling someone a troll, it’s a copout.

I was behind a young girl at the post office who was being refused payment as there was doubt over her signature, she started having a wobbler and playing the racist card.

:o

Yep. Seen it all too many times.

Gets boring.

The question being asked was whether it is used to get your own way or when losing an argument.
He didn't say if this can be the case or not, just waffled on.
the op said is the word overused.
i say no, specially on here theres a vast amount of "racist" views on here, wrap it up any way you like, but they ARE racist, i only call somebody racist if i can see racist overtones in their words or actions
like msmacbeth said, some people who hold those views also seem to like throwing the word leftie about, ive never been a lefty, ive always hated socialist workers party and militant magazine just as much as ive hated the bnp and nazi skinheads.
also im NOT a member of this "pc brigade" even tho i get lumped in there.......my use of a certain C word yesterday is proof of that :D
so none of us know anybody.....really and call people what we see.

the one thing i and by reading boyfridays post above that i shortened you can actually see if somebodys racist by what they say (cos itll be discriminating against a race)

Did anyone ask why she didn`t wanted an Asian, or doesn’t that matter, quality until proven innocent is it. :suspect:
did you actually read the article??
she mentioned her daughter was frightened of men in turbans
and that stinks highly of ignorance and downright stupidity (barely any asians wear turbans for a start) but then this ISNT the thread for that discussion its all already in its own thread

was she asian :hihi: :hihi:

Well I cant imagine someone saying “you will not serve be because I am white”, I will let you work it out.

this quite often happens to me, i am called racist all the time by the lefties on here:|

..well I'm not a 'lefty', ruth!

Well I cant imagine someone saying “you will not serve be because I am white”, I will let you work it out.

are you sure about that?
theres a lot of asian shops and fast food places out there i bet theres a lot of drunken idiots that think its fun to racially agravate the staff and then when they get refused for that reason they shout “you will not serve be because I am white”?:loopy:

..well I'm not a 'lefty', ruth!


i never said you were boyfriday, i hold you in high regard:love:

Well I cant imagine someone saying “you will not serve be because I am white”, I will let you work it out.

How about the woman in the Turban wearing taxi driver drama?!

..well I'm not a 'lefty', ruth!

You also convieniently miss posts with questions aimed at you too.

i never said you were boyfriday, i hold you in high regard:love:

I think you should a thread to that effect ruth! :hihi:

did you actually read the article??
she mentioned her daughter was frightened of men in turbans
and that stinks highly of ignorance and downright stupidity (barely any asians wear turbans for a start) but then this ISNT the thread for that discussion its all already in its own thread

I followed the thread, as you stated her daughter had a “fear”, stupid or otherwise which her mother was trying to avoid, that’s not racism.

Perhaps her daughter needs some kind of counselling to overcome her fears but why bother, just brand them racists instead. :roll:

i once got shouted down on here for talking about asian men wearing pjamas to asda, got told i was being racist when in act the proper term for the thingy things they wear is pjamas:confused:

You also convieniently miss posts with questions aimed at you too.

..I love those, could you point them out to me please, always happy to oblige!

I think you should a thread to that effect ruth! :hihi:

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I followed the thread, as you stated her daughter had a “fear”, stupid or otherwise which her mother was trying to avoid, that’s not racism.

Perhaps her daughter needs some kind of counselling to overcome her fears but why bother, just brand them racists instead. :roll:
because NO amount of making excuses for them will alter the fact they were discriminating AGAINST asians for some reason which IS racist.
you cant call a cow a horse, itll never be a horse, its still a cow no matter how you dress it up.
and i stated in my many posts in that thread they SHOULD do something to try to halt those racist views.
if the daughters never seen/met any asians then maybe they should try and get her to integrate more with such people?
as i said it looked to me very much like ignorance, they know nothing about asians. to the point that they dont even know its mainly sihks that wear turbans, not muslims, not hindus whatever

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he wants his ego massaging lol

Racism interests me because its one of the many things in the world that I cant really get my head around so threads like this are usually helpful to me. Not that any have cleared anything up for me yet because its still bloody bewildering.

because NO amount of making excuses for them will alter the fact they were discriminating AGAINST asians for some reason which IS racist.
you cant call a cow a horse, itll never be a horse, its still a cow no matter how you dress it up.
and i stated in my many posts in that thread they SHOULD do something to try to halt those racist views.
if the daughters never seen/met any asians then maybe they should try and get her to integrate more with such people?
as i said it looked to me very much like ignorance, they know nothing about asians. to the point that they dont even know its mainly sihks that wear turbans, not muslims, not hindus whatever


how do you know that her daughter has not been raped by an asian.
it is becoming more and more widespread. some asian youths getting white girls hooked on drugs, pimping them on the streets etc etc. i would want to protct my daughter from that.

I followed the thread, as you stated her daughter had a “fear”, stupid or otherwise which her mother was trying to avoid, that’s not racism.

Perhaps her daughter needs some kind of counselling to overcome her fears but why bother, just brand them racists instead. :roll:

Racism is generally based on fear and paranoia and the parent, if she isn't racist has a responsibility to not endorse her daughter's fear or her own.

It would be impractical for the daughter to spend her life avoiding Asian people and would also limit her access to potentially positive experiences.

Incidentally, no one has branded the child a racist, it was the mother that made the request to the taxi firm.

i once got shouted down on here for talking about asian men wearing pjamas to asda, got told i was being racist when in act the proper term for the thingy things they wear is pjamas:confused:
thats not racist thats just pure ignorance, ive forgotten the proper term but they ARE NOT PYJAMAS

if the daughters never seen/met any asians then maybe they should try and get her to integrate more with such people?
as i said it looked to me very much like ignorance, they know nothing about asians. to the point that they dont even know its mainly sihks that wear turbans, not muslims, not hindus whatever

Ignorance , integrate more, carry on now we are getting somewhere :thumbsup:

how do you know that her daughter has not been raped by an asian.
it is becoming more and more widespread. some asian youths getting white girls hooked on drugs, pimping them on the streets etc etc. i would want to protct my daughter from that.


Women are raped by men (period), most realise after an assualt of that nature that it doesn't represent the behaviour style of all men, and thankfully go on to have successful relationships, after counselling.

Those that don't and develop an anti-all men agenda, don't generally get much sympathy, do they?

how do you know that her daughter has not been raped by an asian.
it is becoming more and more widespread. some asian youths getting white girls hooked on drugs, pimping them on the streets etc etc. i would want to protct my daughter from that.
sigh im not repeating EVERYTHING about that case when theres a 12 page (or whatever) thread already there READ THAT

all im saying even if youve been raped by an asian doesnt mean all asians are rapists, same as all gays arent peodophiles its called stereotyping and generalising
in the thread in question i told about the times ive been robbed by black men, and by white men
now i neither hate ALL black men nor WHITE MEN

thats not racist thats just pure ignorance, ive forgotten the proper term but they ARE NOT PYJAMAS

want to bet on that mel????
i live in a house that was once owned by muslims and every now and again an asian clothes mag will drop through the door and guess what they call the mens wear???..................
thats right


pjamas

how do you know that her daughter has not been raped by an asian.
it is becoming more and more widespread. some asian youths getting white girls hooked on drugs, pimping them on the streets etc etc. i would want to protct my daughter from that.

I'll tell you what's widespread and that's women being raped. Statistically, you're FAR more likely to be raped by a white man that you are an Asian man, purely and simply because there are far more of them around.

I'd want to protect my daughter from that too. Lock her in the cellar, perhaps? Or, more plausibly, tell her to be alert and carry a personal alarm and shout and scream if anyone lays a finger on her, rather than remove her from the complany of ALL men, everywhere?

Its a huge assumption that people who aren't racist are 'lefties'. Does that mean all racists are 'righties'? I'm not left or right wing, just a person who never judges purely on skin colour or the fact that someone comes from the USA, Ghana, Israel, Barnsley or wherever. In my experience the majority of reasonable people hold similar views, regardless of their politics, unless these are really extreme...

Yes it is a huge assumption because the conclusion you've drawn wasn't logical. What you could conclude was that the people who accuse xRuthx of being racist are always lefties in her estimation. Then you'd have to establish what she meant by 'leftie'.

Personally when I hear the term 'leftie', I don't think of left-wing but more 'Wishy-washy, Guardian-reading tree-hugger.'

It's all a question of interpretation I suppose.

how do you know that her daughter has not been raped by an asian.
it is becoming more and more widespread. some asian youths getting white girls hooked on drugs, pimping them on the streets etc etc. i would want to protct my daughter from that.

ruthy, i don't believe that you're racist....

but this post is nonsense and i'm wondering why you'd post it?

want to bet on that mel????
i live in a house that was once owned by muslims and every now and again an asian clothes mag will drop through the door and guess what they call the mens wear???..................
thats right


pjamas
wasnt the sleepwear section by any chance? :suspect:

edit - this kind of thing? (http://www.shukr.co.uk/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Affiliate=awms1&Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=men-sk)

thats not racist thats just pure ignorance, ive forgotten the proper term but they ARE NOT PYJAMAS

Shawal Kameez.

wasnt the sleepwear section by any chance? :suspect:



nope, t'was the day wear.......waiting for an apology mel:thumbsup:

I'll tell you what's widespread and that's women being raped. Statistically, you're FAR more likely to be raped by a white man that you are an Asian man, purely and simply because there are far more of them around...

Unfortunately that isn't a very clever way of applying statistics. Try Bayes Theorem. What is the probability of the girl being raped given she gets into a cab driven by an Asian? and compare to the probability she gets raped given she gets into a cab driven by somebody else.

I've no idea what the answers are btw, but that's the question.

nope, t'was the day wear.......waiting for an apology mel:thumbsup:
see posts 72 and my edit on post 71

I'll tell you what's widespread and that's women being raped. Statistically, you're FAR more likely to be raped by a white man that you are an Asian man, purely and simply because there are far more of them around.



Definitely a case for the second line of my sig, :hihi:

Unfortunately that isn't a very clever way of applying statistics. Try Bayes Theorem. What is the probability of the girl being raped given she gets into a cab driven by an Asian? and compare to the probability she gets raped given she gets into a cab driven by somebody else.

I've no idea what the answers are btw, but that's the question.
either way if she was raped shed have been asked for a woman driver anyway?

Unfortunately that isn't a very clever way of applying statistics. Try Bayes Theorem. What is the probability of the girl being raped given she gets into a cab driven by an Asian? and compare to the probability she gets raped given she gets into a cab driven by somebody else.

I've no idea what the answers are btw, but that's the question.

Well, I'm not very clever with statistics. Or numbers of any kind. But surely common sense dictates that in a country where only a small percentage of the population is Asian, a woman is - nationally speaking - more likely to be raped by someone white?

As for the taxi driver example, if a majority of taxi drivers are Asian then it would make sense that if you're raped in a cab, or by a cab driver, then the rapist is more likely to be Asian. But that wasn't the point xruthx was making.

And what, pray tell, is Bayes Theorem? Enquiring minds need to know.

Definitely a case for the second line of my sig, :hihi:

All right, all right, so I'm not good on statistics. I'll hold my hands up.

*leaves the thread feeling wounded*

:hihi:

see posts 72 and my edit on post 71

yup, those are them.:thumbsup:

statistics can be moulded to suit whos using them anyway

statistics can be moulded to suit whos using them anyway

Well that’s one thing we can definitely agree on.

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And what, pray tell, is Bayes Theorem? Enquiring minds need to know.

Bayes' theorem relates the conditional and marginal probabilities of events A and B, where B has a non-vanishing probability, duh.

It seems to be a form of dyslexia some people cant differentiate between the words Racism and Patriotism or the difference in definitions.

It seems to be a form of dyslexia some people cant differentiate between the words Racism and Patriotism or the difference in definitions.

totally agree

It seems to be a form of dyslexia some people cant differentiate between the words Racism and Patriotism or the difference in definitions.
there IS a difference between being proud of your country and hating a race of people.
never heard of the Angelic Upstarts?
left wing, anti racist skinheads who also wrote a great moving song called England
oh yeah its on my playlist in my signature if anybody wants to hear it

Bayes' theorem relates the conditional and marginal probabilities of events A and B, where B has a non-vanishing probability, duh.

ah why didnt you just say that in the first place, its all much clearer now :huh:

It seems to be a form of dyslexia some people cant differentiate between the words Racism and Patriotism or the difference in definitions.

I agree with that.

A lot of people don't seem to realise that Patriotism includes pride at our anti-racist history like for example our role in the end of the transatlantic slave trade.

Far too often racists try to wrap themselves in the flag, whilst denying the bits of our history we should be proud of.

I agree with that.

A lot of people don't seem to realise that Patriotism includes pride at our anti-racist history like for example our role in the end of the transatlantic slave trade.

Far too often racists try to wrap themselves in the flag, whilst denying the bits of our history we should be proud of.
also the fight against the nazis in the second world war, the spanish civil war (where the left, anarchists and normal working class people went off to fight) and also the battle of cable street where the left, anarchists AND normal working class people again stood against mosely and his fascists

either way if she was raped shed have been asked for a woman driver anyway?

If she was racist, she should have just asked for a femail driver, I have never seen a femail asian taxi driver... Suppose she'd be called sexist then though, can't win can ya.

If she was racist, she should have just asked for a femail driver, I have never seen a femail asian taxi driver... Suppose she'd be called sexist then though, can't win can ya.

There are only a few occassions I can recall having seen a female taxi driver of any description. That said it would be justifiable to ask for a female taxi driver, it would be justifiable to express concerns for the fact that it was her daughter being picked up and to ask them to be particular about who they sent to pick her up. What she did however was have a go at men with turbans on... that is quite a different matter.

also the fight against the nazis in the second world war, the spanish civil war (where the left, anarchists and normal working class people went off to fight) and also the battle of cable street where the left, anarchists AND normal working class people again stood against mosely and his fascists
Plus the fight to make this a decent free country to live in without the restrictions of pandering to outsiders and selling the country, what people lay their lives down for,down the river

Plus the fight to make this a decent free country to live in without the restrictions of pandering to outsiders and selling the country, what people lay their lives down for,down the river
i gather thats a slight dig at immigrants and the EU then? :P

i gather thats a slight dig at immigrants and the EU then? :P
I dont dig at anybody,its a comment about all the non patriots who are quite happy to see their country dragged down to the gutter after all the people who died in the world wars gave their lives to keep us from going there

I dont dig at anybody,its a comment about all the non patriots who are quite happy to see their country dragged down to the gutter after all the people who died in the world wars gave their lives to keep us from going there

Ive got to agree with this, They died in their tens of thousands for nothing. All the ideals they were told they were fighting for when they joined up are being sold down the river by people who never so much as got their hands mucky in their entire lives.

Ive got to agree with this, They died in their tens of thousands for nothing. All the ideals they were told they were fighting for when they joined up are being sold down the river by people who never so much as got their hands mucky in their entire lives.

So far as I am concerned and the war veterans at memorial services the likes of the BNP and their agenda of blaming immigrants, are not welcome and don't represent what they fought a war for.

One of the things the second world war demonstrated was how much we depend upon people from all races across the Commonwealth and the immigrants to this country that fought and sacrificed their lives for our freedom from tyranny, fascism and racism.

After the Second World war the Govt the survivors and heros of the Second world war voted for opened the country up to immigrants to come and live here and contribute to the economy to help return the country to profit and success.

To say their ideals have been sold down the river with reference to immigration is to re-write history and grossly misrepresents the success that the UK is today. I am not saying we are perfect by any estimation but we have got a lot more right than any other country I can think of.

So far as I am concerned and the war veterans at memorial services the likes of the BNP and their agenda of blaming immigrants, are not welcome and don't represent what they fought a war for.

One of the things the second world war demonstrated was how much we depend upon people from all races across the Commonwealth and the immigrants to this country that fought and sacrificed their lives for our freedom from tyranny, fascism and racism.

After the Second World war the Govt the survivors and heros of the Second world war voted for opened the country up to immigrants to come and live here and contribute to the economy to help return the country to profit and success.

To say their ideals have been sold down the river with reference to immigration is to re-write history and grossly misrepresents the success that the UK is today. I am not saying we are perfect by any estimation but we have got a lot more right than any other country I can think of.

There's a big difference to opening the door and removing the door completely,you can close an open door when needed

Ive got to agree with this, They died in their tens of thousands for nothing. All the ideals they were told they were fighting for when they joined up are being sold down the river by people who never so much as got their hands mucky in their entire lives.

People in my family fought in both world wars - fortunately none were killed, but my father never saw good health afterwards and died in his 50s. I think he'd be more appalled at the way the elderly are disrespected by society and by the way children are maimed and killed by their parents, than by the UK offering safety to the persecuted. He would also have hated the way the benefits system allows people to choose not to work - many of them home grown, with all the things immigrants are said to come here for! He believed strongly in helping the underdog, taking care of the vulnerable, looking after his wife and child, paying his way and generally being a decent man.

He might have disagreed with some immigration policies, but he wouldn't have disliked people purely because they were a different colour or practised a different religion to him. He would have judged them on the way they acted. There were lots of people of his generation who would have thought the same way, I think they were patriotic - not vitriolic. And he was a lifelong Tory.

I dont dig at anybody,its a comment about all the non patriots who are quite happy to see their country dragged down to the gutter after all the people who died in the world wars gave their lives to keep us from going there
including fighting against NAZIS who lets not forget were slightly discrimitive against a lot of people (blacks, jews, gays, homeless etc etc) that certain right wing thinking people also are discrimitive against? :suspect:

There's a big difference to opening the door and removing the door completely,you can close an open door when needed

Patriotism used to be about having a stiff upper lip and understatement, not hysterical over reaction.

Patriotism used to be about having a stiff upper lip and understatement, not hysterical over reaction.
Nothing over reacting in my statement its the truth and eventually people may realise that ,sadly it may be too late by then...if it isnt already

Patriotism used to be about having a stiff upper lip and understatement, not hysterical over reaction.

you know these people of the right wing persuasion, its always

immigrants taking over the country
muslims/jews taking over the world
the pc brigade taking over
the eu taking over
left wing/jewish conspiracies

its always one large catastrophe, i tell you we're doomed mr mannering

So far as I am concerned and the war veterans at memorial services the likes of the BNP and their agenda of blaming immigrants, are not welcome and don't represent what they fought a war for.

One of the things the second world war demonstrated was how much we depend upon people from all races across the Commonwealth and the immigrants to this country that fought and sacrificed their lives for our freedom from tyranny, fascism and racism.

After the Second World war the Govt the survivors and heros of the Second world war voted for opened the country up to immigrants to come and live here and contribute to the economy to help return the country to profit and success.

To say their ideals have been sold down the river with reference to immigration is to re-write history and grossly misrepresents the success that the UK is today. I am not saying we are perfect by any estimation but we have got a lot more right than any other country I can think of.

Yup Im pretty much in agreement with this, its extremism of all kinds that they fought against.

]you know these people of the right wing persuasion, its always[/B]

immigrants taking over the country
muslims/jews taking over the world
the pc brigade taking over
the eu taking over
left wing/jewish conspiracies

its always one large catastrophe, i tell you we're doomed mr mannering
Who are they then? are they the people who actually care what happens to this country?...always fancied myself as a bustling centre forward myself..English obviously wearing the 3 lions with pride

Who are they then?
drama queens

: big wink :

drama queens

: big wink :
I'll take your word for that,I dont have much dealings with the gay scene;)

I'll take your word for that,I dont have much dealings with the gay scene;)

That'll be no forum meets for you then.

Yup Im pretty much in agreement with this, its extremism of all kinds that they fought against.

I am in total agreement with you. The average English person has always been against extremism, we have no time for it. We have always found it distasteful to wrap the flag around ourselves, or to shout the national anthem at the top of our voices; England hasn't even got an official national anthem. This is why nationalism and communism have never took off here, something that we can all be proud off. All the majority of Englishmen and women want want is a quiet and good life for us and our family.

Orwell has summed it up far better than I could, in his works.