i am trying to find marriage and death info on charles jackson b.1837 also known as charley & chas he was a mat maker and was blind i know he married emma but cant seem to find their marriage. I know he was alive in !901 living in the alms houses selbourne road can anyone advise:help: please

There is this marriage:
Marriage September 1856
Charles JACKSON to Emma WILBERHAM
Sheffield 9c. 380

Also:
Marriage December 1886
Charles Herbert JACKSON to Emma Harriett BOTTOM
Sheffield 9c. 679

Death of:
Charles Jackson June 1901 aged 63
Sheffield 9c. 291

Duffems

There is this marriage:
Marriage September 1856
Charles JACKSON to Emma WILBERHAM
Sheffield 9c. 380

Also:
Marriage December 1886
Charles Herbert JACKSON to Emma Harriett BOTTOM
Sheffield 9c. 679

Death of:
Charles Jackson June 1901 aged 63
Sheffield 9c. 291

Duffems
thanks duffems i think it must be the one in1856 as they had ??? twins in 1859 would ibe able to gret a marriage certificate for the 1856 marriage?
i wondered about the 1901 death but also found a death i sept Qrt 1924.
the troble is i havnt looked at the tree for over a year so have forgot where i got info from i think it was ancestry?

You can obtain a marriage certificate from the information which I've supplied. I would advise to get that before you go forward otherwise you may research the wrong couple.
Duffems

You can obtain a marriage certificate from the information which I've supplied. I would advise to get that before you go forward otherwise you may research the wrong couple.
Duffemsjust ordered it thanks a lot duffems, ithink his fathers names benjamin b 1796 married to sarah but will have to wait and see have to start looking up records then:hihi:

thanks duffems i think it must be the one in1856 as they had ??? twins in 1859 would ibe able to gret a marriage certificate for the 1856 marriage?
i wondered about the 1901 death but also found a death i sept Qrt 1924.
the troble is i havnt looked at the tree for over a year so have forgot where i got info from i think it was ancestry?

Don't know if this assists, but from some records I have, the 1924 Burial relates to a Charles Henry Jackson buried at Tinsley Park Cemetery (Barleywood Road) on 23rd Oct 1924, agd 61yrs.

Have also found details of a 1901 burial in the Cemetery at City Road. Jackson, Charles (Shoemaker, age 63). Died at Royal Infirmary; Buried on June 29, 1901 in Unconsecrated ground; Grave Number 9843, Section Z.

Don't know if this assists, but from some records I have, the 1924 Burial relates to a Charles Henry Jackson buried at Tinsley Park Cemetery (Barleywood Road) on 23rd Oct 1924, agd 61yrs.

Have also found details of a 1901 burial in the Cemetery at City Road. Jackson, Charles (Shoemaker, age 63). Died at Royal Infirmary; Buried on June 29, 1901 in Unconsecrated ground; Grave Number 9843, Section Z.

that rules out the 1824 death because he was definatley born 1837 he did have a son though charles b1865 only 53 in 1924.
would the 1901 death be the one duffem found,he definatley wasnt a shoe maker he was a matmaker because he was blind since the age of 13 as a penkife maker:confused::confused:

i think i may have found him in 1903 9c 235 just a little confused as it says ecclesall brierlow derbyshire.

just ordered it thanks a lot duffems, ithink his fathers names benjamin b 1796 married to sarah but will have to wait and see have to start looking up records then:hihi:


The marriage certificate will give the fathers name of both the bride and the groom which will give you a starting point.

The marriage certificate will give the fathers name of both the bride and the groom which will give you a starting point.marriage cert just arrived and thanks duffems it was his marriage,it gives his fathers mame as benjamine so i was in the right track,but desnt give fathers name for emma wilberham it gives the mothers,on other marriage cert if the father is dead it states deceased could she have been illigitemate:confused:

How very strange roughy101................ think she will either be illegitimate or her mother just simply wanted to hide the identity of her father or indeed not have him on the MC.

Out of interest Ancestry has this marriage registered twice with 2 different spellings

1) Wilberham
2) Wilbuham

What name did it state for Emmas mother on the certificate

Dev

How very strange roughy101................ think she will either be illegitimate or her mother just simply wanted to hide the identity of her father or indeed not have him on the MC.

Out of interest Ancestry has this marriage registered twice with 2 different spellings

1) Wilberham
2) Wilbuham

What name did it state for Emmas mother on the certificate

Devhi devlin it was spelt wilberham on the marriage cert.i have deleted 1 of the trees on ancestry,for some reason it had duplicated.i am trying to find mary anne wilberham marriage without much luck:thumbsup:

marriage cert just arrived and thanks duffems it was his marriage,it gives his fathers mame as benjamine so i was in the right track,but desnt give fathers name for emma wilberham it gives the mothers,on other marriage cert if the father is dead it states deceased could she have been illigitemate:confused:

Brilliant! I love it when a plan comes together!
The father's name wasn't always given as "deceased" on a marriage certificate so you can't assume he was.
It's possible she was illegitimate, what do you have on her birth background?
Duffems

So I can assume that mothers name on the MC is Mary Ann Wilberham, I will have a look for you but it seems you are digging exstensively anyway

do you know devlin i think you are right,the only reason i wanted the marriage certificate for charles was to confirm his father was benjamin. I was just curious as to why it gave the mothers name instead of the dads:confused:

i have been on sheffield indexers allday trying to find my grandmothers birth to no avail i seeing as everyone is so helpfull iwill do another post.:thumbsup:

I think its bad luck that Emma was born before civil registration started. According to the census (where I have found her with Charles in 1881, 1891 and 1901) she was 2 years older than Charles so would have been born around 1835. What is really frustrating is that the census does not provide any clues for Wilberhams prior to Emma marrying Charles ie where she was with her mother in 1841 and 1851. I think this might suggest that she was born with some other name ??

on the 1861 census charles is listed as charley jackson ,emma is listed being born chesterfield .on the IGI there is the record of emma wilberham being christened chesterfield 1839 mother sarah wilberham ,no father listed

on the 1861 census charles is listed as charley jackson ,emma is listed being born chesterfield .on the IGI there is the record of emma wilberham being christened chesterfield 1839 mother sarah wilberham ,no father listed

Yes..I have seen that too but it's not the same spelling (Wilbraham) and the mother is called Sarah where as on the marriage certificate she is a Mary Ann. However, spellings have evolved and names were used differently too so who knows?

The 1861 census entry is definately Charley and Emma... now there is only 1871 missing

Just on the off chance Roughy101..... are there any witnesses on the marriage certificate and if so what are the names....just occasionaly these can give a lead.

the witnesses are mary gillott and i think cooper corbidge i think ,these registras had no consideration for us people trying to trace them 150yrs later:hihi:

the witnesses are mary gillott and i think cooper corbidge i think ,these registras had no consideration for us people trying to trace them 150yrs later:hihi:

Cooper Corbidge was a Witness on many marriage certificates.
Duffems

on the 1861 census charles is listed as charley jackson ,emma is listed being born chesterfield .on the IGI there is the record of emma wilberham being christened chesterfield 1839 mother sarah wilberham ,no father listed


Spent most of last night thinking about this after Lobster had raised it;

Firstly..... Ancestry has this birth registered in March 1839 but there is no chrisitan name it says Wilbraham...Female...Chesterfield... Volume X1X page 92.

Secondly.... IGI has a christening listed on 30th March 1839 in Chesterfield (as lobster says above) child is Christened Emma and under parents only Sarah is listed the father section is left blank.

It may be a cruel twist of coincidence but I think there is possibly something in this. Wilbraham listings are few and far between (with Wilberham and Wilbuham spelt listings being even more frugal) and to have the 2 things above ....followed up in 1856 when Chas and Emma married there being no father listed........................????

Maybe worth a punt to try and obtain this BC but will it tell you anything ??

There is another angle you could consider. If we are on to the right family they can be traced on the early census docs so....

In 1841 Emma Wilbraham (11) is at home in Crich Derbyshire with mother Sarah(45) sister Harriet (20) and sister Eliza (15). Eliza Wilbraham later marries in Belper in 1844 (but there a several men on this list) so ordering her MC will tell you who she married but what will it say about who her father is ??? This is 12 years before Emma marries so maybe it might tell you more or maybe at least one of the siblings "wanted" thier fathers name on ?? mind boggling init !!!

I realise this is all expense but I suppose it depends on how bad you want to know

Dev

There is another angle you could consider. If we are on to the right family they can be traced on the early census docs so....

In 1841 Emma Wilbraham (11) is at home in Crich Derbyshire with mother Sarah(45) sister Harriet (20) and sister Eliza (15). Eliza Wilbraham later marries in Belper in 1844 (but there a several men on this list) so ordering her MC will tell you who she married but what will it say about who her father is ??? This is 12 years before Emma marries so maybe it might tell you more or maybe at least one of the siblings "wanted" thier fathers name on ?? mind boggling init !!!

IGNORE THIS LAST BIT....MY MISTAKE THIS CAN'T POSSIBLY BE HER IF SHE WAS BORN IN 1839.......SHE WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN 2 AT THE TIME OF THE 1841 CENSUS..............SORRY FOR THE MISLEADING INFO

Spent most of last night thinking about this after Lobster had raised it;

Firstly..... Ancestry has this birth registered in March 1839 but there is no chrisitan name it says Wilbraham...Female...Chesterfield... Volume X1X page 92.

Secondly.... IGI has a christening listed on 30th March 1839 in Chesterfield (as lobster says above) child is Christened Emma and under parents only Sarah is listed the father section is left blank.

It may be a cruel twist of coincidence but I think there is possibly something in this. Wilbraham listings are few and far between (with Wilberham and Wilbuham spelt listings being even more frugal) and to have the 2 things above ....followed up in 1856 when Chas and Emma married there being no father listed........................????

Maybe worth a punt to try and obtain this BC but will it tell you anything ??

There is another angle you could consider. If we are on to the right family they can be traced on the early census docs so....

In 1841 Emma Wilbraham (11) is at home in Crich Derbyshire with mother Sarah(45) sister Harriet (20) and sister Eliza (15). Eliza Wilbraham later marries in Belper in 1844 (but there a several men on this list) so ordering her MC will tell you who she married but what will it say about who her father is ??? This is 12 years before Emma marries so maybe it might tell you more or maybe at least one of the siblings "wanted" thier fathers name on ?? mind boggling init !!!

I realise this is all expense but I suppose it depends on how bad you want to know

Devthanks devlin,just how far do you go,i only sent for charles birth cert to confirm who his father was and noticed mary wilberham the mother not the father,and had no intention of researching the wilberhams,but now iv got the bit between the teeth lol where does it all end bankruptsy:hihi::hihi:

Yes..I have seen that too but it's not the same spelling (Wilbraham) and the mother is called Sarah where as on the marriage certificate she is a Mary Ann. However, spellings have evolved and names were used differently too so who knows?

The 1861 census entry is definately Charley and Emma... now there is only 1871 missing
i found them on the 1871 living at 3 division lane:thumbsup:

I see there is also a spelling of Wilbraham which I found on the 1841 census- sorry I see Devlin has already found this family

I see there is also a spelling of Wilbraham which I found on the 1841 census- sorry I see Devlin has already found this familythanks smary,it doesnt matter, :thumbsup::thumbsup: