Honestly, whilst I might not be sticking up for him. I would definately not say he intended to do another player.

I take each challenge on it's merits. I have often been critical of Morgan and think at times he is a liabilty, not just with mistakes but with his dangerous at times tackling.

However in this instance, I can't say that Morgans play was all that bad.



Pre-meditated.
Totally different scenario.

Pointless example.

So your saying he didn't mean to elbow him?

Arrr so you don't like it when we jump in on Blades related threads now when you've been on and started numerous threads on the Owls. It's all part of the banter you know otherwise this Football Forum would be about as active as the Badminton Forum!

YOU MEAN THERE'S A BADMINTON FORUM ???????????? WHAT AM I DOING ON THIS ONE THEN ?

Good answer Al :wave: so from this I can gather you have never played football and challenged for a ball.

I played football from 8 years old till i was 38 and i never elbowed a player in the face before the ball came to me!!!

YOU MEAN THERE'S A BADMINTON FORUM ???????????? WHAT AM I DOING ON THIS ONE THEN ?

It looks like the two sports are similar, doesn't it.

A couple of people having a swipe at the same cock, whilst others just look on.

This thread has degenerated into a meaningless farce, with rival fans trying to score points with cheap jibes rather than enter into any meaningful debate.

Perhaps it's time to close this one?

It looks like the two sports are similar, doesn't it.

A couple of people having a swipe at the same cock, whilst others just look on.

:hihi::hihi: nice one!

Have a good weekend, everyone.

Just got back off hol and saw the incident in Palma a couple of times,though I'm a Wednesday supporter I'd like to voice my thought,Johnson caught Naughton with his elbow,again my opinion I'don't think it was intentional,Morgans attack on the Dingle was intentional,he led with one elbow.
It brings memories of Vinnie Jones back to me,another thug.

nowt wrong with our vincent okdoby

You're a Wednesday fan though Thingy, whiter than white you see.....your lot never attacked the family stand at Stockport, never had players jailed for fixing matches, never had a player banned for 6 matches for attacking a ref, never attacked families walking away from the derby match this year, never killed a Blade at Wembley and never had an ex Chairman who is now a Sir who openly admited you lot fiddled the tax bill a few times before he took over at the club......whiter than white you see, Wednesday or their fans never do anything wrong, its always someone else's fault which is why you're all entitled to pass comment on something that really has nothing to do with you!!

Im also a football fan,and all that crap you have just spouted has bugger all to do with the Morgan Elbow which is what this thread is all about!!!
And if this has nothing to do with me then why did you mention Wednesday,its got nothing to do with them either!!!

So your saying he didn't mean to elbow him?

This is exactly what I am saying. Thought that was pretty obvious though?

Again lads, can we keep this on topic. I've made a new thread for corruption etc, and moved all the posts

Sorry if some parts go missing, but we're reading stuff which has nothing to do with this thread at all

nowt wrong with our vincent okdoby

Come on Merv the guy can't act to save his life.

Did Morgan make such a big deal when he was clearly attacked by McCullough!!??!?!

Lets face it, even the most harden Pigs (Thingy and Lestat) can't for one second thing Morgan went out to attack Hume.

On one hand we've got the crowd attacking football for no longer been a mans game, on the other hand we've got Pig fans attaking Morgan for what was nothing more than a clash.

I think their must be some video evidence out there that i haven't seen as all i seen from the reply is Morgan looking for the ball and Hume and him coming together and clashing, no elbow swinging, if anything Hume ran into the side of Morgan whose about a foot taller.

Anyway i'm never going to agree with the lets say 'Typical Pigs' on this board so we'll have to leave it to the FA.

Did Morgan make such a big deal when he was clearly attacked by McCullough!!??!?!

Lets face it, even the most harden Pigs (Thingy and Lestat) can't for one second thing Morgan went out to attack Hume.

On one hand we've got the crowd attacking football for no longer been a mans game, on the other hand we've got Pig fans attaking Morgan for what was nothing more than a clash.

I think their must be some video evidence out there that i haven't seen as all i seen from the reply is Morgan looking for the ball and Hume and him coming together and clashing, no elbow swinging, if anything Hume ran into the side of Morgan whose about a foot taller.

Anyway i'm never going to agree with the lets say 'Typical Pigs' on this board so we'll have to leave it to the FA.

Exactly what Warnock said in a TV interview. The pundits and experts have laughed at him ever since, and have given him a fair chance to watch the video again and re-assess his observations. Mr Warnock has refused to comment since. :)

I just found new damning evidence which could go some way to convicting Morgan, i'm with our Blue and White friends on this one, ban Morgan for life and deduct 30 points from the Blades.

You'll see from the link Morgan not only should be up on an attempted murder charge but making a Nazi salute straight after the incident is bang out of order.

I think the only way to sort this one out is to wheel the electric chair out go through the Blades squad one by one, i'm coming round to the Wednesday way of thinking, the Blades are horrible and nasty;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1086285/I-died-fumes-Barnsleys-Hume-horror-clash.html

I just found new damning evidence which could go some way to convicting Morgan, i'm with our Blue and White friends on this one, ban Morgan for life and deduct 30 points from the Blades.

You'll see from the link Morgan not only should be up on an attempted murder charge but making a Nazi salute straight after the incident is bang out of order.

I think the only way to sort this one out is to wheel the electric chair out go through the Blades squad one by one, i'm coming round to the Wednesday way of thinking, the Blades are horrible and nasty;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1086285/I-died-fumes-Barnsleys-Hume-horror-clash.html

Hail Morgan

I just found new damning evidence which could go some way to convicting Morgan, i'm with our Blue and White friends on this one, ban Morgan for life and deduct 30 points from the Blades.

You'll see from the link Morgan not only should be up on an attempted murder charge but making a Nazi salute straight after the incident is bang out of order.

I think the only way to sort this one out is to wheel the electric chair out go through the Blades squad one by one, i'm coming round to the Wednesday way of thinking, the Blades are horrible and nasty;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1086285/I-died-fumes-Barnsleys-Hume-horror-clash.html

We couldn't give a stuff if Morgan is banned or not. It makes not one jot to us. Like I said, you're probably a better team without him, so let him off I say!
BTW, this photo was taken before the ball even got to 'em, and Hume's on his way down.
Good challenge?
As for taking points from you, that's never been a possibility, and won't be needed anyway, you're not going anywhere special in the near future! :thumbsup:

Morgans challange was sunday league stuff -he should know better.
A simple ban is needed i think

Just got back off hol and saw the incident in Palma a couple of times,though I'm a Wednesday supporter I'd like to voice my thought,Johnson caught Naughton with his elbow,again my opinion I'don't think it was intentional,Morgans attack on the Dingle was intentional,he led with one elbow.
It brings memories of Vinnie Jones back to me,another thug.

football is a worse game these days with a lack of players such as vinnie jones. oh for the likes of norman hunter and chopper harris-proper players when it was a contact sport

I just found new damning evidence which could go some way to convicting Morgan, i'm with our Blue and White friends on this one, ban Morgan for life and deduct 30 points from the Blades.

You'll see from the link Morgan not only should be up on an attempted murder charge but making a Nazi salute straight after the incident is bang out of order.

I think the only way to sort this one out is to wheel the electric chair out go through the Blades squad one by one, i'm coming round to the Wednesday way of thinking, the Blades are horrible and nasty;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1086285/I-died-fumes-Barnsleys-Hume-horror-clash.html

id fine the blunts £30 million ,oops thats what they are trying to con out of west ham aint it

Norman "bites-yer-legs" Hunter??? :hihi:

id fine the blunts £30 million ,oops thats what they are trying to con out of west ham aint it

Oh, Mr Benn, you can read my posts.

I have a question for you on another thread that remains unanswered, any chance of a response? :thumbsup:

Oh, Mr Benn, you can read my posts.

I have a question for you on another thread that remains unanswered, any chance of a response? :thumbsup:

you can spell as well, not bad for a blunt:D

Ive just seen Hume in an interview just now on look north and his head is in a right state.
Morgan should defo be punished for this.

322 posts on this subject already .

322 posts on this subject already .

Sos mod :thumbsup:

no probs .:hihi::hihi:

no probs .:hihi::hihi:

No seriously why dont u ask em for a job

No seriously why dont u ask em for a job

serious you :loopy:
uh corker says morgan should be punished , again and again and again .
he's up with the news that one .

Ive just seen Hume in an interview just now on look north and his head is in a right state.
Morgan should defo be punished for this.

What Morgan should be punished because he went on look north ;)

Seriously thought Corky, how much of a state can he be in if he managed to get to the look north studios, shouldn't he be laid up in bed.

It's spelt innocence, you illiterate plank.

not bad from a wednesday fan who says they were in the 1968 cup final .

What Morgan should be punished because he went on look north ;)

Seriously thought Corky, how much of a state can he be in if he managed to get to the look north studios, shouldn't he be laid up in bed.

It was an interview from his house, maybe some of you lot should read the latest more like.
Its still not certain weather he will play football ever again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/barnsley/7742727.stm

He's been on radio sheff and can't travel in a car yet.The scars a beauty but you wouldn't want it yourself.Hopefully he'll make a full recovery and continue his career.
It also appears he'll be sueing.

just watched the interview , nice to see he is on the mend .
I have scar nearly identical to that one apart from mine continues down my forehead to my eyebrow . it was also caused by a blow to the head . the worse thing is that it's visible with short hair . couple of months to training he said , lets hope thats right .

Threads merged

just watched the interview , nice to see he is on the mend .
I have scar nearly identical to that one apart from mine continues down my forehead to my eyebrow . it was also caused by a blow to the head . the worse thing is that it's visible with short hair . couple of months to training he said , lets hope thats right .

Do you understand why i started a thread now, he looks like he's been in the gulf war not a footy match told lad.

What Morgan should be punished because he went on look north ;)

Seriously thought Corky, how much of a state can he be in if he managed to get to the look north studios, shouldn't he be laid up in bed.

Yet another Own Goal!!!

Yet another Own Goal!!!

And this joker thinks I am stalking him :o
Over here when you do an interview you go into a studio, I assumed thats what Hume had done, so wheres the OG in that Tiny ?

And this joker thinks I am stalking him :o
Over here when you do an interview you go into a studio, I assumed thats what Hume had done, so wheres the OG in that Tiny ?

same joker who is always moaning about blades starting threads about wednesday,

If it was up to some of the Wendies on this board Morgan up on an attempted murder charge and Kilgallon on a ABH charge, here's me thinking football was a mans game.

I'm still amazed Mr Benn never mentioned anything on the day, no doubt he'd have had a great view from his ivory tower!!!

And this joker thinks I am stalking him :o
Over here when you do an interview you go into a studio, I assumed thats what Hume had done, so wheres the OG in that Tiny ?

They go in the Studio over here too,unless a nutter sticks his elbow into your head putting you in intensive care and maybe ending your career
And as for stalking,i dont see your name TWICE in my signature!!!:loopy:

same joker who is always moaning about blades starting threads about wednesday,

Not moaning about it at all,am just suprised with the blades fans obsession with the Owls on here

Not moaning about it at all,am just suprised with the blades fans obsession with the Owls on here


but you have nothing to say when it's the other way round .
the record want changing anyhow , that boring comment has been worn out .

but you have nothing to say when it's the other way round .
the record want changing anyhow , that boring comment has been worn out .

You need to think before you put stuff on here,ive already stated that J.J deserved a red for his elbow on your guy!!!

Don't know whether I'm missing something here.
This is a thread started by an Owl about a United player and you're claiming that Unitedites have an obsession with Wednesday when they pass comment on it. :huh:
Is this your version of 1984's doublespeak ?

You need to think before you put stuff on here,ive already stated that J.J deserved a red for his elbow on your guy!!!

you want to think, moaning about what threads people can post on , press the grass button if you think you have a valid point .

Don't know whether I'm missing something here.
This is a thread started by an Owl about a United player and you're claiming that Unitedites have an obsession with Wednesday when they pass comment on it. :huh:
Is this your version of 1984's doublespeak ?

Swervin is a blade I think and started this thread :)

Swervin is a blade I think and started this thread :)

Don't think so but I'll concede if I'm wrong.:thumbsup:

Correction. Just checked back on some of his posts and you're correct.
Sorry swervin.

Don't know whether I'm missing something here.
This is a thread started by an Owl about a United player and you're claiming that Unitedites have an obsession with Wednesday when they pass comment on it. :huh:
Is this your version of 1984's doublespeak ?

:hihi: own goal

:hihi: own goal
:thumbsup:

you want to think, moaning about what threads people can post on , press the grass button if you think you have a valid point .

ecuse me for keeping my head down, i dont want you doing a morgan on me :hihi::hihi:

you want to think, moaning about what threads people can post on , press the grass button if you think you have a valid point .

Another blade who's looking for a village job:loopy:

you want to think, moaning about what threads people can post on , press the grass button if you think you have a valid point .

some village is missing its idiot:D

some village is missing its idiot:D

yours has got one that will never be missed .

Another blade who's looking for a village job:loopy:

it wont be the village moaner , mumping about people talking about wednesday .
answer the issue , why do you moan about blades on wednesday threads but not owls on blades threads ?. on SHEFFIELD , FOOTBALL FORUM . just frustration ?.

ecuse me for keeping my head down, i dont want you doing a morgan on me :hihi::hihi:

and where were you in the post you answered for someone else ?:loopy:.

The topic concerns a football challenge - please refrain from insulting each other and keep it on topic.

Don't think so but I'll concede if I'm wrong.:thumbsup:

Correction. Just checked back on some of his posts and you're correct.
Sorry swervin.
Yeah, Brooksy's been calling me a Blade; and you saying Swervin's not a Blade.

As Willman's just said, stop throwing insults :)

can i just clear this who's a blade up, swervin is a 100% blade end off

it wont be the village moaner , mumping about people talking about wednesday .
answer the issue , why do you moan about blades on wednesday threads but not owls on blades threads ?. on SHEFFIELD , FOOTBALL FORUM . just frustration ?.

Not frustrated at all,despite our league position i'm happy with us compared with last season
And as for answering the issue i don't mind if blades start threads about us Owls,as ive already stated im just suprised with the amount of them compared with Owls starting threads about Blades
Happy Now?

Not frustrated at all,despite our league position i'm happy with us compared with last season
And as for answering the issue i don't mind if blades start threads about us Owls,as ive already stated im just suprised with the amount of them compared with Owls starting threads about Blades
Happy Now?

tunnel vision

It's been announced that the FA will not be taking any further disciplinary action against Chris Morgan for his challenge on Hume.
Info is on United's web site.

It's been announced that the FA will not be taking any further disciplinary action against Chris Morgan for his challenge on Hume.
Info is on United's web site.

just heard it on radio. im absulutly disgusted at the spineless suits at the FA. but im not surprised in the least.any use of an elbow should be punished with a very long ban. and yes ,that includes JJ"s elbow in the derby at hillsborough

I'm just happy justice has been done and i will accept appologies from any Wendies who doubted Morgan will be found anything but not guilty.

Docked points and a season long ban were just some of the ludicrious suggestions made by our Blue and White friends.

I'm just happy justice has been done and i will accept appologies from any Wendies who doubted Morgan will be found anything but not guilty.

Docked points and a season long ban were just some of the ludicrious suggestions made by our Blue and White friends.

you call that justice ? have you seen morgan "do" hume? im all for hard tackling but the elbow has no place in football. i knew he would not be found guilty as the fa are useless.

I'm just happy justice has been done and i will accept appologies from any Wendies who doubted Morgan will be found anything but not guilty.

Docked points and a season long ban were just some of the ludicrious suggestions made by our Blue and White friends.

Justice!!!
The blokes just had to go back in hospital you knob:loopy:

Justice!!!
The blokes just had to go back in hospital you knob:loopy:

Come on Tiny, no need for the name calling and mud slinging.

You lot would have had a street party if Morgan would have been banned for 6 matches.

I feel for Hume, it was an unfortunate incident but Hume going back into hospital has nothing to do with Morgan more than an unfortunate incident.

What if one of Smiths stray elbows would have knocked the Brum player out the other week, would you have been calling for his head as well?

I think you need to take of those Blue and White tinted specs and put things into purspetives a little bit.

Justice!!!
The blokes just had to go back in hospital you knob:loopy:

some village is missing their idiot where stockers lives

Come on Tiny, no need for the name calling and mud slinging.

You lot would have had a street party if Morgan would have been banned for 6 matches.

I feel for Hume, it was an unfortunate incident but Hume going back into hospital has nothing to do with Morgan more than an unfortunate incident.

What if one of Smiths stray elbows would have knocked the Brum player out the other week, would you have been calling for his head as well?

I think you need to take of those Blue and White tinted specs and put things into purspetives a little bit.

ive just said jj should have been banned ,and smith should have had a longer ban-and im an owl!

"an unfortunate incident" are you on planet zanussi mate ? you cant get any more deliberate than that. the ball was nowhere near

Justice!!!
The blokes just had to go back in hospital you knob:loopy:

That's true but at this point in time there is no suggestion that his admittance is tied to the incident.
They are obviously keeping a close eye on him and taking all precautions.
Could be 'flu, as someone stated before, but best not to take any chances.

"an unfortunate incident" are you on planet zanussi mate ? you cant get any more deliberate than that. the ball was nowhere near

Right or wrong, the FA decided that there was no deliberate attempt to injure him so saw no reason to pursue the matter.
It doesn't help by insulting people too.
Weakens any argument, in my opinion.

That's true but at this point in time there is no suggestion that his admittance is tied to the incident.
They are obviously keeping a close eye on him and taking all precautions.
Could be 'flu, as someone stated before, but best not to take any chances.

according to the star he felt ill and was being sick so went to hospital as a precaution

ive just said jj should have been banned ,and smith should have had a longer ban-and im an owl!

For what its worth i thought Smith's sending off was harsh, these things happen in football.

Players use arms as leverage when jumping and people do get whacked in the face, neck, ribs etc but if we're going to start banning everyone who catches a player we'll be here all day.

I don't think Morgan would deliberately 'do' another player, he's just not that sort of bloke.

Thats good news to hear, and all the best to hume.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/7747803.stm

as far as the FA is concerned the caes is now closed .

For what its worth i thought Smith's sending off was harsh, these things happen in football.

Players use arms as leverage when jumping and people do get whacked in the face, neck, ribs etc but if we're going to start banning everyone who catches a player we'll be here all day.

I don't think Morgan would deliberately 'do' another player, he's just not that sort of bloke.

That arm was never in a million years used for leverage,it was to give the Dingle a wack,yes I think if he new the outcome he wouldn't have done it but accidental! never.

it was a clear elbow, it wasnt used as leverage, he never even jumped. i thought the fa would of given a 3 game ban or something like that but they havent, need to move on now. hopefully morgan will take a look at his actions and change a bit.

it was a clear elbow, it wasnt used as leverage, he never even jumped. i thought the fa would of given a 3 game ban or something like that but they havent, need to move on now. hopefully morgan will take a look at his actions and change a bit.

i doubt it ,as no player who plays that way would. its not only morgan ,far too many players do this and it needs stamping out.

completely agree but its not an easy thing to get rid of.

Right or wrong, the FA decided that there was no deliberate attempt to injure him so saw no reason to pursue the matter.


They decided no such thing. They've just fallen back on their "cannot alter the decision of the referee" argument to weasel out of even having to make a decision.

They decided no such thing. They've just fallen back on their "cannot alter the decision of the referee" argument to weasel out of even having to make a decision.

spot on mate.they said unless there ars exceptional circumstances they can only look at the challange and not the result of that challange. thats fron the offical fa statement

It sounds like Barnsley are going to take Legal action against Morgan , Could Hume report it to the Police seeing as he hasn't been protected by the Fa and more importantly Fifa.

They decided no such thing. They've just fallen back on their "cannot alter the decision of the referee" argument to weasel out of even having to make a decision.

Talk about splitting hairs.
Here's the FA statement.

An FA spokesman earlier said: "When judging whether to take disciplinary action in this case, the FA has had to consider the challenge itself and not the outcome of it.
"The FA has been given express direction from Fifa that we cannot upgrade yellow cards to red.
"On this basis, we can only bring additional charges in the most exceptional cases and only if it can be proved beyond doubt that the actions of a player were a deliberate attempt to injure an opponent.
"Having reviewed all available evidence in this case, including submissions made by Barnsley, there is no basis on which an additional charge could be brought."


Doesn't this say that they have decided not to bring additional charges (pursue the matter) because there is no basis to do so ?

Doesn't this say that they have decided not to bring additional charges (pursue the matter) because there is no basis to do so ?


Yes, that's exactly what it says. Not that there is no evidence, but under FIFA rules there is no legitimate basis on which they could do anything.

The FA are spineless, and the very fact that they've issued a statement to back up their decision, is because they know that 99.99% of the footballing world will be open gobbed in amazement at their conclusion.
EVERY football pundit, expert, ex-player on talkSPORT just cannot believe the FA's decision.. and there are around 30 ex pros involved on this station.
For the last time Stockers, no Owl wants Utd to 'have points deducted', and I for one insist that Utd are a worse team with Morgan in there, so once again, I say, don't ban him, keep him playing!

Come on Tiny, no need for the name calling and mud slinging.

You lot would have had a street party if Morgan would have been banned for 6 matches.

I feel for Hume, it was an unfortunate incident but Hume going back into hospital has nothing to do with Morgan more than an unfortunate incident.

What if one of Smiths stray elbows would have knocked the Brum player out the other week, would you have been calling for his head as well?

I think you need to take of those Blue and White tinted specs and put things into purspetives a little bit.

I would have taken off the blue and white specs and slated him as much as i have Morgan,ive been on the wrong end of an elbow playing football and i hate it,there's no place for it in football unless it's accidental which Morgan's clearly wasn't

For what its worth i thought Smith's sending off was harsh, these things happen in football.

Players use arms as leverage when jumping and people do get whacked in the face, neck, ribs etc but if we're going to start banning everyone who catches a player we'll be here all day.

I don't think Morgan would deliberately 'do' another player, he's just not that sort of bloke.

Did you see the incident?
Neither player jumped when it happend as the ball hadn't arrived when Morgan elbowed hume

Did you see the incident?
Neither player jumped when it happend as the ball hadn't arrived when Morgan elbowed hume

That was my interpretation of it and when Hume was readmitted to hospital, Yorkshire TV showed it again on the local news. I checked specifically to see if my first thought was correct? Hume was decked and the ball wasn't even in the frame. D'Urso's yellow card has caused the subsequent problem and one wonders how he came to that decision?

Having seen the incident numerous times in slow motion, and as a United supporter in the US, I feel ashamed. Morgan should be banned for a long time, if not kicked out of the game for good.

They decided no such thing. They've just fallen back on their "cannot alter the decision of the referee" argument to weasel out of even having to make a decision.

They haven't fallen back on that at all. The clearly stated that they are not allowed to upgrade Morgan's yellow to a red because of FIFA, and go on to say that they cannot bring additional charges against the player because there is no evidence to suggest he deliberately injured Hume.



An FA spokesman earlier said:

"When judging whether to take disciplinary action in this case, the FA has had to consider the challenge itself and not the outcome of it.

"The FA has been given express direction from Fifa that we cannot upgrade yellow cards to red.

"On this basis, we can only bring additional charges in the most exceptional cases and only if it can be proved beyond doubt that the actions of a player were a deliberate attempt to injure an opponent.

"Having reviewed all available evidence in this case, including submissions made by Barnsley, there is no basis on which an additional charge could be brought."

no evidence ? i take it the suits at the fa havnt watched the video then, because all the evidence they need is on thet film. the ball was not even near when morgan "did" hume. no excuse

no evidence ? i take it the suits at the fa havnt watched the video then, because all the evidence they need is on thet film. the ball was not even near when morgan "did" hume. no excuse

20 pages, 392 posts, and very little sense in the majority of them.

The FA has obviously seen the tv footage, and whatever else Barnsley decided to submit, and decided there is no cause for action.

This is the same Football Association that were happy to hand Ben Thatcher an 8 match ban for deliberately elbowing Pedro Mendes, and an 8 match ban to Roy Keane for deliberately injuring Alf-Inge Håland. The argument that the FA have somehow 'bottled it' doesn't hold any water.

no evidence ? i take it the suits at the fa havnt watched the video then, because all the evidence they need is on thet film. the ball was not even near when morgan "did" hume. no excuse

The only person who knows if Morgan intentionally intended to 'do' Hume is Morgan himself and he says he didn't which is enough for me.

The ball was coming towards Morgan who was moving to his right and Hume who was moving to his left to challenge for the ball, your continued calls the ball was nowhere near are plan ridiculous, the ball was coming towards both players who were challenging for the ball, it wasn't a totally random off the ball incident.

If it goes to court i'm confident the outcome will rule in Morgans favour, there is no history between the players so why would Morgan intentionally try to injure Hume with a life threatening injury?

Try taking off your Blue and White tinted specs and see the incident for what it was, not one of us can prove one way or anouther if it was intentional so nothing will come of it, the FA have found Morgan not guilty and so will the courts, case closed as far as SUFC are concerned, its only the Dingles and surprising the Wendies who keep bringing the matter up.

The only person who knows if Morgan intentionally intended to 'do' Hume is Morgan himself and he says he didn't which is enough for me.

The ball was coming towards Morgan who was moving to his right and Hume who was moving to his left to challenge for the ball, your continued calls the ball was nowhere near are plan ridiculous, the ball was coming towards both players who were challenging for the ball, it wasn't a totally random off the ball incident.

If it goes to court i'm confident the outcome will rule in Morgans favour, there is no history between the players so why would Morgan intentionally try to injure Hume with a life threatening injury?

Try taking off your Blue and White tinted specs and see the incident for what it was, not one of us can prove one way or anouther if it was intentional so nothing will come of it, the FA have found Morgan not guilty and so will the courts, case closed as far as SUFC are concerned, its only the Dingles and surprising the Wendies who keep bringing the matter up.

if that had happened to a blunts player you lot would have been screaming for a long ban and no doubt blaming west ham:D

when you were relegated through no ones fault but your own ,you are like a dog with a bone blaming west ham for your inability to stay up even though going into the final stage of the season you were 10 points clear of relegation. its funny your now accusing the dingles of not letting this rest

Your point...? The West Ham / Tevez affair is a completely different matter, and lets not forget it was proven that West Ham broke the rules.

Your point...? The West Ham / Tevez affair is a completely different matter, and lets not forget it was proven that West Ham broke the rules.

was pointing out that stockers says the dingles wont let this drop ,but the blunts wont let this drop either

when you were relegated through no ones fault but your own ,you are like a dog with a bone blaming west ham for your inability to stay up even though going into the final stage of the season you were 10 points clear of relegation. its funny your now accusing the dingles of not letting this rest

Why don't you stay on topic?

To directly answer you though, the two matters aren't even closely related.

One involves the actions of a club, who broke the rules, lied, lied again, and continued to break the rules, and the subsequent matters which had the support of the majority of the Premier League, and pretty much the entire footballing world outside of Essex and Sheffield 6.

The other involves a poor, poor challenge which didn't receive the correct punishment on the field, and cannot be changed due to the World governing body, and the fact that the FA have found that there are no exceptional circumstances to cause an intervention.

Let's be very clear about this. Had there been a red card (as it should have been) there would be no hue and cry.

Had he 'just' got a whacking shiner and a bloody nose, there would be no hue and cry.

The only reason why they're moaning is because of the extent of the injury, which, as far as I'm concerned from what I've heard, was not correctly treated by the medical staff at Barnsley FC.

That of course, is not to say that they deliberately set out to exacerbate his injury, but when a manager states after a match "his cheekbone was in the wrong place" immediately after a match, yet the medical staff allow the player home, and don't even send him to a hospital for precautionary measures smacks of incompetence.

All that taken into account, the FA can only rule on footballing matters; those to do with the Laws of the Game. Medical matters have bugger all to do with them.

The only person who knows if Morgan intentionally intended to 'do' Hume is Morgan himself and he says he didn't which is enough for me.

The ball was coming towards Morgan who was moving to his right and Hume who was moving to his left to challenge for the ball, your continued calls the ball was nowhere near are plan ridiculous, the ball was coming towards both players who were challenging for the ball, it wasn't a totally random off the ball incident.

If it goes to court i'm confident the outcome will rule in Morgans favour, there is no history between the players so why would Morgan intentionally try to injure Hume with a life threatening injury?

Try taking off your Blue and White tinted specs and see the incident for what it was, not one of us can prove one way or anouther if it was intentional so nothing will come of it, the FA have found Morgan not guilty and so will the courts, case closed as far as SUFC are concerned, its only the Dingles and surprising the Wendies who keep bringing the matter up.

And this comes from a SUFC supporter who once posted that Sheffield Wednesday FC deliberately killed 96 Liverpool supporters. Blue and white tinted specs indeed, if it had been a Wednesday player who had done it you would have wanted him shot at dawn.

An accidental elbow does not fracture a players scull, it gives a fair bit of pain, black eye, broken nose or split lip, but not a fractured scull. There was an obvious effort made to bring the elbow down with force, hence the very serious injury.

And this comes from a SUFC supporter who once posted that Sheffield Wednesday FC deliberately killed 96 Liverpool supporters. Blue and white tinted specs indeed, if it had been a Wednesday player who had done it you would have wanted him shot at dawn.

An accidental elbow does not fracture a players scull, it gives a fair bit of pain, black eye, broken nose or split lip, but not a fractured scull. There was an obvious effort made to bring the elbow down with force, hence the very serious injury.

your common sense will fall on deaf ears im afraid crookesey:thumbsup:

And this comes from a SUFC supporter who once posted that Sheffield Wednesday FC deliberately killed 96 Liverpool supporters. Blue and white tinted specs indeed, if it had been a Wednesday player who had done it you would have wanted him shot at dawn.

An accidental elbow does not fracture a players scull, it gives a fair bit of pain, black eye, broken nose or split lip, but not a fractured scull. There was an obvious effort made to bring the elbow down with force, hence the very serious injury.

Crookesey, now you're just being silly. We all know it was a foul, and so I'd say therefore not accidental, but D'Urso cocked it up.

We all know that. The waters are being deliberately muddied however. You waffle on about "if it were an Owl ......", well actually, there was a similar deliberate elbow in a certain match not long before the Barnsley v United match, which also resulted in a similarly incorrect decision from the referee.

The difference is Hume has a horrific freak injury; Kyle Naughton doesn't.

Don't lose sight of the facts, old boy.

Crookesey, now you're just being silly. We all know it was a foul, and so I'd say therefore not accidental, but D'Urso cocked it up.

We all know that. The waters are being deliberately muddied however. You waffle on about "if it were an Owl ......", well actually, there was a similar deliberate elbow in a certain match not long before the Barnsley v United match, which also resulted in a similarly incorrect decision from the referee.

The difference is Hume has a horrific freak injury; Kyle Naughton doesn't.

Don't lose sight of the facts, old boy.

If you want to read something really silly then read your own post, I suggest that you now go and moderate yourself. :loopy:

If you want to read something really silly then read your own post, I suggest that you now go and moderate yourself. :loopy:

Well come on, what's silly about it? Two deliberate elbows; two wrong decisions. Where am I being silly, or can you not answer that?

was pointing out that stockers says the dingles wont let this drop ,but the blunts wont let this drop either

If I was chairman of a recently relegated football club, and discovered that a relegation rival had managed to stay up by fielding ineligible players, I'd be doing everything in my power to fight against that.

Quick everyone some other thug has done used his arm!

Lets string up Adebola.


WARD DETAINED IN HOSPITAL
Wed 26 Nov 2008

DARREN Ward has been taken to hospital this evening (Tuesday) with a suspected fracture to his cheek, coupled with suspected concussion.

Late in the game Ward appeared to rise for a challenge with Dele Adebola, who is alleged to have struck the defender with his arm.

Ward left the field immediately and has been taken to hospital where he will be monitored overnight, having also been left with a cut under his left eye that saw him withdrawn immediately by Mackay.

The manager for the night said: "He's not okay. He's gone to hospital to have an x-ray on his face.

"I felt that it certainly wasn't the guy's head that hit Darren's cheek and I made my feelings known to the referee.

"After the game he [the referee] has apologised and said he made a mistake. It's a possible fractured cheekbone.

"I have a good medical staff and they have been looking after him since the minute he was taken off the pitch.

"It's been as well looked after as I think it could be, he's not our player and we've got to make sure we take care of him as if he is our player"

Ward is currently on loan from Wolves and is due to return to Molineux after this weekend's home fixture against Doncaster Rovers.


http://www.watfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10400~1466966,00.html

I reckon Iain Humes scar on his head could match a world record, football has saved Morgan from maliciuos wounding section 47!

Quick everyone some other thug has done used his arm!

Lets string up Adebola.

http://www.watfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10400~1466966,00.html

I hope that Ward is ok.

funny, though, they got Ward straight to hospital, they didn't mess about...

I hope Ward makes a quick recovery.

Hats off to the swift response of the Watford medical staff.

To be fair it doe's seem a little strange how Hume has got looked after by Barnsley aswell, 1.5 million was he?
And there letting him go home and this and that they should be wrapping him up in cotton wool.
I think Barnsley have let the fella down to an extent.

I was having a realy bad day but at least I was only 2 years out, unlike your good self, who is a trillion light years away from posting anything that is remotely interesing, informative, intelligent or amusing. :D

When one enters a battle of wits it is highly recommended that one turns up with sufficient amunition. :rolleyes:

Any chance of an answer to my question yet?

Morgan Is Inocent He Plays A Sport That Is Phisical And Wen U Watch It He Does Not Do It To Hurt The Player He Is Going For The Ball If He Ment To Do It He Would Have Been Charged By Fa And He Was Cleared Off All Chargers He Is A Very Good Defender Who Has A Great Carreer Ahead Good Luck Chris Up The Blades Down The Pigs

CAn we stay on topic boys, we're having to delete post after post about pointless drivel on here, with it being nothing even remotely to do with this topic.

With such a large thread, I'm sure people don't want to be trawling through post after post just to see if it has relevance.

Any chance of an answer to my question yet?

Sure, if you tell us why you totally skipped over the Hillsborough Disaster part of the post, perhaps you think that all anti Owls posts are legitimate and all anti Blades posts are unfair. Toys out of pram comes to mind.

By the way, what did you do with my post that you just quoted from?

And this comes from a SUFC supporter who once posted that Sheffield Wednesday FC deliberately killed 96 Liverpool supporters. Blue and white tinted specs indeed, if it had been a Wednesday player who had done it you would have wanted him shot at dawn.


Behave yourself, i said Hillsborough was most famous for killing 96 scousers, which in all fairness it is. Where did i say Wednesday were responsible?

You reported me for saying it but i didn't get a ban so only you took offence.

As for a Wednesday playing doing what Morgan did, didn't Johnson do exactly the same to Naughton? Only the outcome of the injury recieved was different.

Sure, if you tell us why you totally skipped over the Hillsborough Disaster part of the post, perhaps you think that all anti Owls posts are legitimate and all anti Blades posts are unfair. Toys out of pram comes to mind.

By the way, what did you do with my post that you just quoted from?

you cant edaucate pork mate:thumbsup:

you cant edaucate pork mate:thumbsup:

Post of the year, surely?

you cant edaucate pork mate:thumbsup:

absolute classic ,:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Things arnt going as rosily as United would like to think one suspects, some of the posts on here are tedious and childish and thats an understatement.
West Ham don't look like they will be paying up any time soon, Morgan is a marked man, The top 2 is looking like a distant dream, and with Ipswich away, Burnley at home, then Forest and Swansea away the game's arnt coming any easier for the blades.

if there was no utd fans that agree with most of the owls then i'd say maybe there might be some bias in what owls fans are saying but there have been a few blades on here that have condemned the challenge aswell, so are they being biased or got blue n white tinted glasses? if a wednesday player had done that i would expect a ban and i havent seen the jj elbow so cant really comment other than it looked like it could of been accidental but plenty of owls have said he should of gone, whether it was as bad as the morgan incident i dont know. same as adebola, if it was as bad as morgans then i'd expect him to get more of a ban but if it was accidental then no he shouldnt. the only person that knows if he did it intentionally is morgan but he isnt going to admit it. if the ref had done his job properly and sent morgan off then maybe the fa could of put more of a ban on him but the ref didnt, just adds to the arguement of bringing technology into the game

The rule's about yellow and red cards are absolutely ridicolous, and have let Hume down to be honest.
Apparently the rules can be bent if its "exceptional circumstances" well if this isn't that then what is?

Things arnt going as rosily as United would like to think one suspects, some of the posts on here are tedious and childish and thats an understatement.
West Ham don't look like they will be paying up any time soon, Morgan is a marked man, The top 2 is looking like a distant dream, and with Ipswich away, Burnley at home, then Forest and Swansea away the game's arnt coming any easier for the blades.

Agreed. If we get anything out of West Ham it's not going to be £30m and it's going to drag on for a lot longer than it already has.

The legal case has set up a dangerous precedent: football clubs now know they can contest relegation in the courts. And if they can contest relegation, how about promotion? A club can argue that the play-offs isn't really a 'fair' way of doing things if 6th is promoted over 3rd... Why stop there? Clubs can surely initiate legal action over injuries, suspensions, disallowed goals... This messy situation has opened up an absolutely enormous can of worms that is sure to have a huge impact on the game.

Regarding our promotion hopes.... Well, I thought at the start of the season the best we could hope for is the play-offs. Whether we make it through those is anyones guess... Still, we may have about £30m by then, which could come in handy for suing anyone who beats us... ;)

although i do agree utd were right in pursuing this i agree its not a good thing for the game, clubs will see it as a green light to sue for anything now

Agreed. If we get anything out of West Ham it's not going to be £30m and it's going to drag on for a lot longer than it already has.

The legal case has set up a dangerous precedent: football clubs now know they can contest relegation in the courts. And if they can contest relegation, how about promotion? A club can argue that the play-offs isn't really a 'fair' way of doing things if 6th is promoted over 3rd... Why stop there? Clubs can surely initiate legal action over injuries, suspensions, disallowed goals... This messy situation has opened up an absolutely enormous can of worms that is sure to have a huge impact on the game.

Regarding our promotion hopes.... Well, I thought at the start of the season the best we could hope for is the play-offs. Whether we make it through those is anyones guess... Still, we may have about £30m by then, which could come in handy for suing anyone who beats us... ;)

lol, you make a good point there about the tevez scandal, there must be other teams in the prem who have a case from that season, from say missing out on Europe or even a couple of places which can make a big difference financially.
If im honest i thought United would have pushed on this season, but in all fairness the teams which came down were always going to be a threat apart from Derby who are more inconsistent than Wednesday.
Wolve's don't look like there stopping any time soon, and the January transfer window could see both Reading and Birmingham splash the cash some what.
Kevin Doyle didn't sign a new contract with Reading to stay in the Championship for the next few years, its quite obvious what they are wanting to achieve and they will defo be there come the end of the season.
You will probably just about make the play offs, but id say there were only 3 places left in them at the moment, Cardiff look dangerous especially now they have signed Chopra back him and McCormack could be a real handfull.
Qpr are obviously waiting for January, they look like they could be using a few of Bernies Cheques aswell.
Bristol City, Ipswich, Preston all have realistic ambtions of getting into the play offs so its not gonna be an easy ride by any stretch of imagination.

Agreed. If we get anything out of West Ham it's not going to be £30m and it's going to drag on for a lot longer than it already has.

The legal case has set up a dangerous precedent: football clubs now know they can contest relegation in the courts. And if they can contest relegation, how about promotion? A club can argue that the play-offs isn't really a 'fair' way of doing things if 6th is promoted over 3rd... Why stop there? Clubs can surely initiate legal action over injuries, suspensions, disallowed goals... This messy situation has opened up an absolutely enormous can of worms that is sure to have a huge impact on the game.

Regarding our promotion hopes.... Well, I thought at the start of the season the best we could hope for is the play-offs. Whether we make it through those is anyones guess... Still, we may have about £30m by then, which could come in handy for suing anyone who beats us... ;)

I disagree with the bolded part above.
If the FA or whoever it was had been consistent in their methods, West Ham would (and should) have been docked points.
There would have been no case to contest.
Instead of coming out with that ridiculous statement about not being fair to the fans because it was late in the season they should have followed precedent.
West Ham were caught cold, cheating regarding the status of Tevez.
I said earlier that there should be fixed penalties for infringements with no deviation for whatever reason.
I still abide by this.

I disagree with the bolded part above.......


I said earlier that there should be fixed penalties for infringements with no deviation for whatever reason.
I still abide by this.

Sheff Utd have now shown that they can contest Premier League rulings, legislation and punishments in the courts... Not a good thing for football.

I agree there should be fixed penalties. We wouldn't be in this situation if that was the case...

although i do agree utd were right in pursuing this i agree its not a good thing for the game, clubs will see it as a green light to sue for anything now


Sueing for anything? Like what, breaking the rules?

If a club breaks the rules they should be punished appropriately and given the correct punishment, in this case the PL thought West Ham were already relegated so bottled deducting points as it was in their words 'unfair on the West Ham fans'.

The rules have been re written in black and white on this matter so this mix up can't happen again, any other club who this might have happened to in the future can thank Sheffield United for fighting for justice to be done and undoing a wrong.

Sheff Utd have now shown that they can contest Premier League rulings, legislation and punishments in the courts... Not a good thing for football.

I agree there should be fixed penalties. We wouldn't be in this situation if that was the case...

You can't contest the PL rule and legislation now because the rules are plain and clear for everyone, its not done on a adhoc basis per case.

The rules now clearly state if you commit offence x you will be punished by rule y and this is all thanks the Kevin McCabe and Sheffield United, you can thank us later if this ever happens to you when you get back into the PL.

Sheff Utd have now shown that they can contest Premier League rulings, legislation and punishments in the courts... Not a good thing for football.

I agree there should be fixed penalties. We wouldn't be in this situation if that was the case...

Could be right or not but it's a business with big money involved and integrity should be maintained.

calm down stockers,i agreed utd were right in doing what they did. i meant clubs that fiished lower than they would of so losing prize money etc(what gypo said really)

Behave yourself, i said Hillsborough was most famous for killing 96 scousers, which in all fairness it is. Where did i say Wednesday were responsible?

You reported me for saying it but i didn't get a ban so only you took offence.

As for a Wednesday playing doing what Morgan did, didn't Johnson do exactly the same to Naughton? Only the outcome of the injury recieved was different.

You know very well what you said, as did the mod who deleted your offensive post, you have polished it up a bit in order to appear innocent. Had it been posted as you say it was. I would't have been offended and it wouldn't have been deleted.

dont u think its about time all this was dropped!!!!!

1. i dont think he did it deliberatly

2. obviously the ref doesnt (hence yellow card)

and

3. the FA obviously dont (hence no further action)

sick of hearing it and im sure everyone else is now!

dont u think its about time all this was dropped!!!!!

1. i dont think he did it deliberatly

2. obviously the ref doesnt (hence yellow card)

and

3. the FA obviously dont (hence no further action)

sick of hearing it and im sure everyone else is now!

Our opinions dont count :mad:

Anything we say is seen as "biased" or "condoning Morgans behaviour"

The Dingles, and Wednesday fans on here will carry this on for a while yet......

so what do you class the utd fans that thought it was a disgraceful 'challenge'? we are allowed to discuss it, its an open forum. dont read it if you dont want to

Christ, glad to see you all not dragging this old **** out.A- it was a terrible challenge.B- the guy has recovered.C- Morgan is a sunday lg player who got away with it.Thats it and its done with.:thumbsup:

Sueing for anything? Like what, breaking the rules?

If a club breaks the rules they should be punished appropriately and given the correct punishment, in this case the PL thought West Ham were already relegated so bottled deducting points as it was in their words 'unfair on the West Ham fans'.

The rules have been re written in black and white on this matter so this mix up can't happen again, any other club who this might have happened to in the future can thank Sheffield United for fighting for justice to be done and undoing a wrong.
yawn yawn ywan- is this the only hope the blades have got to cling too,a load of free cash from west ham to help them just squeeze into the play offs.

Sure, if you tell us why you totally skipped over the Hillsborough Disaster part of the post, perhaps you think that all anti Owls posts are legitimate and all anti Blades posts are unfair. Toys out of pram comes to mind.

By the way, what did you do with my post that you just quoted from?

Because I'm not discussing disasters from 20 years ago with you, someone else is. Don't drag me into your petty squabbles when I'm trying to have a sensible discussion.

I've no idea what happened to your post, as I don't moderate in this part of the forum, as you can see by looking at the 'Forum Team' link on the left.

Now, any chance of an answer yet?

if there was no utd fans that agree with most of the owls then i'd say maybe there might be some bias in what owls fans are saying but there have been a few blades on here that have condemned the challenge aswell, so are they being biased or got blue n white tinted glasses? if a wednesday player had done that i would expect a ban and i havent seen the jj elbow so cant really comment other than it looked like it could of been accidental but plenty of owls have said he should of gone, whether it was as bad as the morgan incident i dont know. same as adebola, if it was as bad as morgans then i'd expect him to get more of a ban but if it was accidental then no he shouldnt. the only person that knows if he did it intentionally is morgan but he isnt going to admit it. if the ref had done his job properly and sent morgan off then maybe the fa could of put more of a ban on him but the ref didnt, just adds to the arguement of bringing technology into the game

Actually, had he got a red, none of this would be happening at all. There may have been a few calls for an extended ban, but I'd doubt it.

Absolutely nothing was said about this until he had to go to hospital. For a day or so, Barnsley were just miffed that the wrong punishment on the field had been meted out, as I would have been.

The rule's about yellow and red cards are absolutely ridicolous, and have let Hume down to be honest.

Thing is though Corky, I can see why you can't appeal a yellow, or use retrospective powers to increase one to a red. If you could do that for yellows as well as reds, can you imagine how many appeals there would be? Let's be fair, reds can have bans extended, and can also be rescinded. You'd have to allow the same sort of leeway for yellows too.

A player gets his fourth yellow, and is his club's star player/hub of midfield/rock in defence/top scorer, and there is a derby match before his team play a top of the table clash/relegation six pointer/Cup match against opposition from a higher division/big game in general.

There's every chance the derby will produce yellows which would mean yer man is banned for the subsequent match.

Will a club appeal? Of course they will, and they would do under many other circumstances too, as you get fined for ill-discipline. There wouldn't be enough hours in the day for most associations to deal with the appeals.

Apparently the rules can be bent if its "exceptional circumstances" well if this isn't that then what is?

This was an elbow which happens week in, week out on the field of play. That there has been an horrific freak injury (which could have exacerbated by Barnsley FC's apparent incompetence) means nothing as far as the Laws of the Game are concerned.

The precedent was set with the Ben Thatcher (what an apt name) 'challenge' on Pedro Mendes. If you think that an awful challenge when both players are looking for a ball in the air (and yes, for the umpteenth time, it should have been a straight red for Morgs) is comparable to sprinting 20-30 yards to put in what was the definitive 'deliberate' forearm smash, then I'm lost, mate.

Thing is though Corky, I can see why you can't appeal a yellow, or use retrospective powers to increase one to a red. If you could do that for yellows as well as reds, can you imagine how many appeals there would be? Let's be fair, reds can have bans extended, and can also be rescinded. You'd have to allow the same sort of leeway for yellows too.

A player gets his fourth yellow, and is his club's star player/hub of midfield/rock in defence/top scorer, and there is a derby match before his team play a top of the table clash/relegation six pointer/Cup match against opposition from a higher division/big game in general.

There's every chance the derby will produce yellows which would mean yer man is banned for the subsequent match.

Will a club appeal? Of course they will, and they would do under many other circumstances too, as you get fined for ill-discipline. There wouldn't be enough hours in the day for most associations to deal with the appeals.



This was an elbow which happens week in, week out on the field of play. That there has been an horrific freak injury (which could have exacerbated by Barnsley FC's apparent incompetence) means nothing as far as the Laws of the Game are concerned.

The precedent was set with the Ben Thatcher (what an apt name) 'challenge' on Pedro Mendes. If you think that an awful challenge when both players are looking for a ball in the air (and yes, for the umpteenth time, it should have been a straight red for Morgs) is comparable to sprinting 20-30 yards to put in what was the definitive 'deliberate' forearm smash, then I'm lost, mate.

I can remember when Fashanu or however you spell it did Gary Mabbut this is a good read.

An Elbow Rash
By Rob HughesPublished: WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 8, 1993
M ILAN: Less than two weeks before the official draw for next summer's World Cup, the powers that be are talking of brightening up soccer by dressing the referees in new colors.

Personally, I am comfortable with black as the mark of authority. I would rather FIFA address the substance rather than the image, and prevent the discoloration and disfigurement of players' cheekbones and eye sockets.

If members of the FIFA's referees' committee, nudged by the equipment manufacturers, see fit to alter the colors, so be it. They can have a merry time trying to prevent red or green patterns on the officials' uniforms from clashing with the rainbow of colors worn by Cameroonians or Colombians, not to mention the multicolored jerseys those manufacturers already issue to goalkeepers.

But if there is time to change the colors, there ought to be time to legislate against the prevelent and injurious use of elbows in soccer. Sooner or later, someone is going to be killed.

Such is the opinion of Osvaldo Ardiles, the diminutive playmaker for the Argentine side that won the 1978 World Cup. Today, Ardiles coaches Tottenham Hotspur, and is an angry and sickened man. His club captain, Gary Mabbutt, recently came close to losing an eye, and may yet lose his career, as a result of the mugging perpetrated by Wimbledon FC.

Moments that bring a warm glow of thankfulness
Mabbutt's head met the left elbow of John Fashanu in the penalty area. An experienced referee, Keith Hackett, saw no foul, but it took two hours of surgery to piece together Mabbutt's right eye socket, broken in three places, and a cheekbone fractured in four.

A metal plate beneath the skin is Mabbutt's legacy of a career stretching 655 games in senior soccer. He is 32, a gentleman of the penalty area skirmishes, a triumph of sporting propriety over the handicap of diabetes and the occupational hazard of a broken leg. He cannot be sure of playing again, while another English profes-ufon2sional, John Uzzell, has not been able to even jog since his cheek was smashed in similar fashion two seasons ago.

"I feel sure I will be back," insists Mabbutt. "I enjoy playing as much now as I did when I started as a 15-year-old. The surgeon told me I am lucky to have retained the sight in my eye - a centimeter either way and it could have been different."

Beneath dark glasses, his eye, encircled by purple, pink and black swelling, looks as if it had gone seven rounds with Mike Tyson. Indeed, Fashanu has trained as a boxer, trained in unarmed combat, and reveled in the sobriquet Fash the Bash.

He has broken noses with his elbow or forearm before. His boot has put another professional, John O'Neil, permanently out of the game.

"The question of intent is questionable," Hackett said after viewing Tottenham's video of the Mabbutt incident. The referee is right: Trying to prove malice when two competitive athletes collide is unlikely to be conclusive.

It was tried a year ago, when the charge of assault was filed after an elbow broke Uzzell's cheekbone. The case was lost the moment Graham Kelly, chief executive of the English Football Association, said under oath that he saw "two hundred" such collisions a week. Kelly's well-meaning but ill-advised defense of professionals, let alone the million or so schoolboys the FA serves, makes legal retribution very remote.

Still, Peter Beardsley, another of England's finest, is considering counsel's advice on an elbowing from Liverpool's Neil Ruddock which destroyed Beardsley's cheekbone in a pre-season "friendly."

But wait. I write this in Italy about the English playing fields? It is neither a new, nor a peculiarly English happening.

Back in 1983, in the opening minutes of the European Cup final in Athens, Claudio Gentile of Juventus broke both cheek bones of Hamburg's Danish forward Lars Bastrup. Gentile is by all accounts a gentle man, a collector of small birds. But had action been taken those 10 years ago, had the likes of Marco van Basten and others been discouraged from letting their elbows stray into the faces of opponents, I doubt very much Mabbutt would be such a ghastly casualty today.

TYPICALLY, HE INTENDED making no bones about his misfortune. His initial response was to ignore people urging him to take civil action. But as a senior member of the players' union, Mabbutt studied the video and then remarked: "There is a need to highlight the type of injuries caused by elbows."

He described Fashanu's attempt as "a very clumsy challenge" and added that "at that moment John Fashanu was playing professional football without due care and attention."

Because I'm not discussing disasters from 20 years ago with you, someone else is. Don't drag me into your petty squabbles when I'm trying to have a sensible discussion.

I've no idea what happened to your post, as I don't moderate in this part of the forum, as you can see by looking at the 'Forum Team' link on the left.

Now, any chance of an answer yet?

Certainly, I have seen one incident several times but have never seen the other, so I don't feel qualifed to comment on something that I haven't seen.

Is that good enough for you or would you like me to put it to music? :confused:

Actually, had he got a red, none of this would be happening at all. There may have been a few calls for an extended ban, but I'd doubt it.

Absolutely nothing was said about this until he had to go to hospital. For a day or so, Barnsley were just miffed that the wrong punishment on the field had been meted out, as I would have been.

Had he got a red is bugger all to do with it,the bloke would have still ended up in intensive care and a career threatening injury red or yellow
The discussion on this thread is about the "challenge" not if he should have got a red card or yellow

Had he got a red is bugger all to do with it, the bloke would have still ended up in intensive care and a career threatening injury red or yellow
The discussion on this thread is about the "challenge" not if he should have got a red card or yellow

Perhaps not if Barnsley had sent him to hospital straight away.

Perhaps not if Barnsley had sent him to hospital straight away.

the damage was done in the challange ,not barnsleys medical teams treatment of hume.

Not really Hume wasn't in a critical condition when he left the field. 24 hours later having not received any treatment bar a flipping ice pack he then became unwell.

Had he been treated sooner there is every chance he wouldn't of ended up in intensive care.

Had he got a red is bugger all to do with it,the bloke would have still ended up in intensive care and a career threatening injury red or yellow
The discussion on this thread is about the "challenge" not if he should have got a red card or yellow

It is actually, as that's all Barnsley were complaining about until his condition deteriorated long after they's sent him home, without going near a hospital. Had Morgan (correctly) received a red card, there would have been stunning silence coming out of Oakwell until Hume had to go to hospital.

Also, Hume may well not have ended up in intensive care if Barnsley had done their job properly.

Equally, take a look at my original point to crookesey earlier in the thread about two poor challenges, both of which were not correctly punished. See the connection?

the damage was done in the challange ,not barnsleys medical teams treatment of hume.

Seeing as Mr Davey stated a few minutes after the full time whistle that "...... his cheekbone is in the wrong place.", yet they didn't even get a precautionary look at a hospital, and indeed just let him sit in the stand to watch the second half tells me that possibly, just possibly, Barnsley might not have helped Hume as much as they could.

Certainly, I have seen one incident several times but have never seen the other, so I don't feel qualifed to comment on something that I haven't seen.

Is that good enough for you or would you like me to put it to music? :confused:

All that for nowt :hihi:

My point was that I saw a deliberate elbow on Kyle Naughton from an Owl, and we were far from wanting Johnson hanged, drawn and quartered, (or whatever you said we'd be wanting).

In fact, nobody was ranting at all.

It is actually, as that's all Barnsley were complaining about until his condition deteriorated long after they's sent him home, without going near a hospital. Had Morgan (correctly) received a red card, there would have been stunning silence coming out of Oakwell until Hume had to go to hospital.

Also, Hume may well not have ended up in intensive care if Barnsley had done their job properly.

Equally, take a look at my original point to crookesey earlier in the thread about two poor challenges, both of which were not correctly punished. See the connection?

O.K
If Morgan did get a red card (which this thread is not really about) can you honestly say that no one would still be discussing the elbow?
And fair enough Barnsley's medical staff didn't act quick enough but with the extent of his injury he would have no doubt ended up in hospital even if they did act properly

O.K
If Morgan did get a red card (which this thread is not really about) can you honestly say that no one would still be discussing the elbow?

Were it not for this particular challenge, all talk of the elbow on Kyle Naughton would have gone from these parts, and in fact, all but had gone, so yes I do think so. The fact that it was only a yellow was the only aspect discussed at the time. It's only since Hume's condition deteriorated that all this hoo ha has arisen.

And fair enough Barnsley's medical staff didn't act quick enough but with the extent of his injury he would have no doubt ended up in hospital even if they did act properly

He should have been in hospital before the final whistle, not in the stands if his injury was initially as serious as Dr Davey pronounced.

His manager said "..... his cheekbone is not in the right place.". If that isn't grounds for him to have been in hospital, where possible internal bleeding, not to mention other matters would have been picked up some 24 hours before, then I don't know what are.

It's entirely possible (though not certain) that his injury was exacerbated by Barnsley FC's inaction.