morgan is not that sort of player
when it happened to him a couple of seasons ago and ended up with right shiner
he forgive and forgot

Does anyone else think that SUFC,s Chris Morgan should be banned for a lengthy period for the incident with Hulme? Seems the issue is whether it was intentional or not:suspect:

Dont know much about football but I do think all footballers should be made to train with rugby players they are tough cookies!!!

Hope the Barnsley player gets well soon and recovers fully:)

Not a rugby fan either but have to watch both with hubby!!!

It was clearly an intentional foul, you can see him bring his arm back and then striking, this could even count as assault!
so yes life long ban for bringing the game into disrepute

Im, the opposite i think it was 100% deliberate,very nasty and totaly unprofessional.

I agree the man should never play football again,hes lucky hes not facing a serious charge,he should be prosecuted .

i don't think he should be banned for life, blackwell and the united board should fine and ban him 3-6 matches.
This is just one of many incidents in football that will not end with a life ban (but i could stand corrected in a few weeks time :?).

And the elbow to humes head look intentional but i don't think a fractured skull and internal bleeding were intended :|

cannot see morgan getting a ban, the ref saw the incident and gave a card, so the f.a. cannot interfere with the decision

Moved to the footie section. Please start your threads in the appropriate area in future.

Morgan should be banned for life, he's an absolute disgrace!.. never thought about the ball for a sec, he didn't jump for it and elbowed the player way before it even reached him.

Get rid! he's a thug of the highest order.:gag:

If they got rid of every player who made a bad challenge then what the hell would you do on a saturday afternoon because there would be nobody left playing the game.
I expected a few responses from Barnsley fans but seems our little piggy friends are sticking their snouts in again

I still haven't seen the incident, Did Morgan bring both arms back?

Reason I ask is that as a youth player, I'm 32 now , we were trained to do heading in exactly that way from a standing position and that was by an FA approved coach.
I have seen this technique used time and time again for defensive headers with or without an opposing player challenging

I have doubts that Morgs would deliberately set out to do Hume, but will reserve full judgement till i see it myself.


Aside from that :
I'd be interested to know what the Barnsley team talk was before the game, possibly get under the centre halves skins, thats the strength of the Blades, Morgan and Ehiogu may retalliate and we can have them down to 10 men.

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Does anyone else think that SUFC,s Chris Morgan should be banned for a lengthy period for the incident with Hulme? Seems the issue is whether it was intentional or not:suspect:

In a word NO. His arm was up for balance, just like his other arm was.

Yes he put his arm up, but if you look at the footage he didn't bring his elbow back to engage with the blokes head. He held his ground; the other bloke was running in.

I do Thai boxing and I know have devastating an elbow can be if used correctly and Morgan didn't put any force behind it.

If you run in to a lamp post at full speed and hit your head on it, yes it's going to hurt

cannot see morgan getting a ban, the ref saw the incident and gave a card, so the f.a. cannot interfere with the decision

But the police can. If they believe there was any intent he could be serving time for GBH.

I don't think the police could prove that morgan set out to hurt him, its his word against humes.

although in a private case they could well win as the burden of proof is totally differant.

Im not sure myself- im going to withold my judgement until i have spoke to morgan and seen what he says.


I will make one comment though- about 7pm last saturday after the match i was stood talking to simon davey in waitrose and he never mentioned the morgan incident!!

I do Thai boxing and I know have devastating an elbow can be if used correctly and Morgan didn't put any force behind it.

What so a fractured skull isn't devastating enough then :loopy:

Morgan should be banned for life, he's an absolute disgrace!.. never thought about the ball for a sec, he didn't jump for it and elbowed the player way before it even reached him.

Get rid! he's a thug of the highest order.:gag:

Nah that's a bit far. The Blades can't afford to lose Morgan, he's a great communicator at the back. Especially with Kenny :D

Threads merged again.Surely we only need one to talk the same thing

I expected a few responses from Barnsley fans but seems our little piggy friends are sticking their snouts in again

Oh yea, cos you NEVER stick your snout in at the smallest hint of something about the Owls.

Ban the dirty pig I say, get him outa the game! he can't play football and looks like a bag o burnt lego!

Morgs has believed to have been in touch with Barnsley regarding the Hume injury ,he enquired at H/T & F/T and the ref had told Morgs he did not see the elbow as a deliberate act,just an accident,otherwise he would have sent Morgs off.I hope Hume makes a fast recovery and is soon back on the field playing.

Oh yea, cos you NEVER stick your snout in at the smallest hint of something about the Owls.

Ban the dirty pig I say, get him outa the game! he can't play football and looks like a bag o burnt lego!

Good idea but I think that he should also be hanged,drawn and quartered first. Then have his head stuck on a pole at one of the entrances to the city. :rolleyes::rolleyes::gag:

Good idea but I think that he should also be hanged,drawn and quartered first. Then have his head stuck on a pole at one of the entrances to the city. :rolleyes::rolleyes::gag:

Top Idea!:thumbsup:

I was beginning to wonder how long it'd take you to come scurrying along to back up yer old canadian counterpart.:hihi:

Top Idea!:thumbsup:

I was beginning to wonder how long it'd take you to come scurrying along to back up yer old canadian counterpart.:hihi:

Just a little longer than it took you to spout off your "erudite" ramblings. :|

Just a little longer than it took you to spout off your "erudite" ramblings. :|

:clap::thumbsup:Yay!..so erm whats the word?... Predictable!

Is this not just like the debate over what happened with Eduardo for Arsenal?

As long as this rages there will always be those who say there was intent and those that say there wasn't.

This isn't intended to be sour grapes, and I know it would be very difficult to implement, but I think the game would be a lot cleaner if the rule was that if you fouled a player intentionally/reclessly, and he got injured, you were suspended for as long as he was out for.

You'd see a lot less dangerous tackles and elbows (although the arguments about intent would rage on!).

Some Dingles are quite pathetic..... On another football forum i go on, on the Barnsley section threads such as this have been posted.

While ever Chris Morgan plays football he will be remembered for his actions on the field on the 8th November 2008

So if anyone out there starts to think lets move on or lets call a truce

FORGET IT !!!........Shefiield Uniteds game plan on that day will never be forgotten or forgiven

__________________________________________________ ____________

MORGAN SHOULD BE BANNED

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Pursued in courts, yes or no?

Flippin heck, theres loads more..
http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/fmb.php?tno=50&fid=41&sty=2

:rolleyes:

This isn't intended to be sour grapes, and I know it would be very difficult to implement, but I think the game would be a lot cleaner if the rule was that if you fouled a player intentionally/reclessly, and he got injured, you were suspended for as long as he was out for.

You'd see a lot less dangerous tackles and elbows (although the arguments about intent would rage on!).

Exactly! Answered your own question there haven't you?

What so a fractured skull isn't devastating enough then :loopy:

if somebidy runs in to something hard then stuff does happen

This isn't intended to be sour grapes, and I know it would be very difficult to implement, but I think the game would be a lot cleaner if the rule was that if you fouled a player intentionally/reclessly, and he got injured, you were suspended for as long as he was out for.

You'd see a lot less dangerous tackles and elbows (although the arguments about intent would rage on!).

see my comments in post #143
<snipped for brevity!>
As an aside, I wonder how it would work if there was some sort of rule not just about an injured player leaving the field of play temporarily, but to have a mandatory "sit out" for a head injury? you know? like in Boxing?

(I don't know if this would be practical in terms of it working, or whether we would have a rash of challenges on the heads of the leagues' top players, being sabotaged by deliberate aimings-for-heads, to sideline "threats" if a lesser team is losing to a more "powerful" team... but just a thought in an early morning... :D )

I would be concerned about such a rule being abused by the cynical, trying to sabotage another teams' chances.

If that is so, I agree with the comments above that Barnsley certainly failed in their duty of care toward Hume after his injury.

God you're right.

Let's blame Barnsley for Hume's injury :loopy:

I expected a few responses from Barnsley fans but seems our little piggy friends are sticking their snouts in again

Mate, give over. This is a Sheffield discussion board and we're allowed to discuss the challenge if we want to.

You'd do the same if it was Beevers or Wood that had took out Hume.

Not that they would, they wouldn't want to risk damaging their halos. ;)

God you're right.

Let's blame Barnsley for Hume's injury :loopy:

IGM, please don't :loopy: me, whether you are a mod in this section or not.

let's straighten my comments out, if they were so difficult to understand:-

I'm not blaming Barnsley for the actual injury, I'm commenting that it was out of order that they didn't get him checked out immediately, seeing as it was supposedly such a bad injury at the time...

When I knocked myself out as a 10 yr old (I still have the "cob" on my forehead 34 years on) by diving into a swimming pool, I was taken to the hospital to be checked out...

20-odd years ago, when my son, aged 4/5 fell down the stairs and banged his head, I got him straight to the hospital, and had him checked out.

Head injuries are something you DON'T mess about with.

Football is a contact sport. As such it's dangerous, and, from time to time, injuries of various levels of severity are to be expected (although, naturally, not hoped for).

I mean, look at "Saint Derek Of Dooley":- he only broke his leg, in a tackle in a game... he ended up with an amputation. you don't expect to lose a leg from a break, do you?

God you're right.

Let's blame Barnsley for Hume's injury :loopy:

Hang on a minute. I'll repeat something I posted a while ago.

While I fully accept that without the foul play (intentional or not) there would have been no grounds for claiming damages, I have to look at the home side's behaviour here.

As I said earlier, the radio commentary made little of the matter, but Barnsley did spend some considerable time trying to get him back on the field. Hume then sat out the rest of the match, before going home.

As far as we know (and this was agreed on tonight's 'Football Heaven'), at no time did Barnsley's medical staff send Hume for an x-ray at the very least. This despite Davey's protestations immediately after the match that 'his cheekbone was out of place'.

If this isn't negligent, then I don't know what is. The manager claims a major head injury has taken place, yet they don't seek immediate assistance? Ludicrous.

Even if a decision went in their favour, any award could be reduced due to their own incompetence, which could well have contributed to the horrrible injury sustained.

Maybe that's a bit clearer.

Hang on a minute. I'll repeat something I posted a while ago.

what HH said above ^ ^ ^

Maybe that's a bit clearer.

yup. accurate summary, there.

definately shouldnt be banned for life, that is a bit extreme, like someone else said 3-6 games would be ok. i was surprised barnsley didnt take him for a scan or check up, dont know if there wasnt any visible bleeding or anything, i dont know if it because it was an elbow they dont usually bother, unlike a clash of heads they might

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/7698148.stm

Just thought Id post this.

Listen to Davey barely mentions the Hume incident after the match. He did say his cheek bone was out of place surely thats enough reason to send the bloke to hospital then Davey?

IGM, please don't :loopy: me, whether you are a mod in this section or not.

Right lets get this straight before you try to portray it that way, I wasn't insulting you personally. I respect your posting on here and I'm glad that you contribute to the discussion. It's just that I found the comment a little loopy. And what does me being an AM have to do with ANYTHING in this discussion? Should I post differently- or not at all? :?

let's straighten my comments out, if they were so difficult to understand:-

I'm not blaming Barnsley for the actual injury, I'm commenting that it was out of order that they didn't get him checked out immediately, seeing as it was supposedly such a bad injury at the time...

When I knocked myself out as a 10 yr old (I still have the "cob" on my forehead 34 years on) by diving into a swimming pool, I was taken to the hospital to be checked out...

20-odd years ago, when my son, aged 4/5 fell down the stairs and banged his head, I got him straight to the hospital, and had him checked out.

Head injuries are something you DON'T mess about with.

Agreed, but then again intentional (by the looks of it) elbows to the head shouldn't be defended in any way shape or form- especially trying to put blame on Barnsley for not treating it appropriately.

There's a lot of squirming and denial again from our red and white friends. Why is it they believe they should be untouchable, no matter what the evidence is ?. Morgan deserves a well earned ban, his elbow must have been sore for the last few days. I hope Hume recovers 100% but if for any reason he has to retire from playing because of this malicious thuggery, then Morgan should hang his head in shame before he gets a ban for life. To possibly take away a man's livelihood because you can't get the better of him actually PLAYING football is despicable. Sums a lot of things up to be honest

there's also a lot of hang morgan from a lot of our blue and white chums

There's a lot of squirming and denial again from our red and white friends. Why is it they believe they should be untouchable, no matter what the evidence is ?. Morgan deserves a well earned ban, his elbow must have been sore for the last few days. I hope Hume recovers 100% but if for any reason he has to retire from playing because of this malicious thuggery, then Morgan should hang his head in shame before he gets a ban for life. To possibly take away a man's livelihood because you can't get the better of him actually PLAYING football is despicable. Sums a lot of things up to be honest

ban for life :hihi::loopy::loopy::loopy:.

ban for life :hihi::loopy::loopy::loopy:.

Now that punishment, I disagree with.

But I do think that the FA should look into the incident.

ban for life :hihi::loopy::loopy::loopy:.

Read my post fool. If Hume is to have to finish playing football (it is a bad injury you know) because of Morgans inability to contain his thuggery, then Morgan should have to follow suit. An eye for an eye. This behaviour shouldn't be allowed, it wasn't a clumsy challenge or mistiming but a clearly nasty, career finishing, attack :loopy::loopy::loopy:

its never been eye 4 an eye in the football rule book like i said in another post this happens in football all the time .i know ive been on the end of plenty of broken bones in the name of sport not condoning it but s--t happens

Agreed, but then again intentional (by the looks of it) elbows to the head shouldn't be defended in any way shape or form- especially trying to put blame on Barnsley for not treating it appropriately.

The point is that the subsequent extent of the injury is why this has blown up. Nobody is defending the elbow. We all know that it should have been a red card. Nobody is trying to say otherwise.

The fact that it was only a yellow is down to Andy D'Urso, and nobody else. Not Sheffield United. Not Chris Morgan.

I personally think it's wholly appropriate to look at the Barnsley medical staff, who seemingly didn't take appropriate action in safeguarding their player, and have possibly thereby exacerbated the injury.

I wonder had the card been red, and the result still the same, whether Barnsley would be bellyaching as much as they are at the moment?

Just because **** happens doesn't make it ok. A lot of **** happens in life , but why should it be acceptable for someone to walk away from violent conduct scot free. Someone else has said earlier that if that offence was to happen on the street the offender would be charged with GBH. Just because Morgan is a dirty footballer it's ok.....

There's a lot of squirming and denial again from our red and white friends. Why is it they believe they should be untouchable, no matter what the evidence is ?. Morgan deserves a well earned ban, his elbow must have been sore for the last few days. I hope Hume recovers 100% but if for any reason he has to retire from playing because of this malicious thuggery, then Morgan should hang his head in shame before he gets a ban for life. To possibly take away a man's livelihood because you can't get the better of him actually PLAYING football is despicable. Sums a lot of things up to be honest

Pathetic....

Morgan's challenge was poor. Very poor. Chris Morgan is in no way the sort of person to try and kill someone just because the player 'might' get to a ball before him though. The challenge was similar to many more that can be seen on any given match day througout the leagues. It was a shame it ended with a player in intensive care and lets hope Hume is soon on a fast road to recovery.
Simon Davey should take a look at himself in the mirror for the way he has ridden this whole sorry incident as well.

Morgan isn't going to get a lifetime ban. The Blades aren't going to be deducted points.

There's a lot of squirming and denial again from our red and white friends. Why is it they believe they should be untouchable, no matter what the evidence is ?

What are you talking about? How many more times do we have to say that it should have been a red card, and that there is no recourse to the FA as a yellow card was issued? That's nothing to do with us; argue that point with FIFA. They set that directive.

Morgan deserves a well earned ban, his elbow must have been sore for the last few days.

Yes, he does. It'll not happen though. Nothing happened to Juan Pablo Angel when he elbowed Morgan did it? And before anyone starts, the extent of the injury means nothing in the context of any disciplinary handed down by the FA.

I hope Hume recovers 100%

You'd be mad not to hope that.

but if for any reason he has to retire from playing because of this malicious thuggery, then Morgan should hang his head in shame before he gets a ban for life. To possibly take away a man's livelihood because you can't get the better of him actually PLAYING football is despicable. Sums a lot of things up to be honest

Now you're just being silly and melodramatic. You're assuming that that was Morgan's intent for a start.

Now that punishment, I disagree with.

But I do think that the FA should look into the incident.

And do precisely what?

Just because **** happens doesn't make it ok. A lot of **** happens in life , but why should it be acceptable for someone to walk away from violent conduct scot free. Someone else has said earlier that if that offence was to happen on the street the offender would be charged with GBH. Just because Morgan is a dirty footballer it's ok.....

So let's take every "violent conduct" red card (or yellow which should have been red) to court ....... for Christ(TM)'s sake ......

i didnt find out about the fa not being able to do anything. i dont believe morgan intended to do the damage he did to hume but looking at the replay many times its hard to see how the elbow wasnt intentional. not really any point in going on about it though. if the fa can do anything they will. i'm not really expecting an explanation from morgan either, would be a bit pointless really, if it was intentional he wouldnt admit to it. just hope this makes him change how he plays abit

Pathetic....

Morgan's challenge was poor. Very poor. Chris Morgan is in no way the sort of person to try and kill someone just because the player 'might' get to a ball before him though. The challenge was similar to many more that can be seen on any given match day througout the leagues. It was a shame it ended with a player in intensive care and lets hope Hume is soon on a fast road to recovery.
Simon Davey should take a look at himself in the mirror for the way he has ridden this whole sorry incident as well.

Morgan isn't going to get a lifetime ban. The Blades aren't going to be deducted points.

Pathetic.
Watch the replay niiiice annnnnd slooooowly. It was not a challenge and it doesn't happen on any given match day (unless Morgans on the field maybe?)but a blatant elbow in the head for crying out loud. Did I say owt about taking points away? now that would be more stupid than you.

Pathetic.
Watch the replay niiiice annnnnd slooooowly. It was not a challenge and it doesn't happen on any given match day (unless Morgans on the field maybe?)but a blatant elbow in the head for crying out loud. Did I say owt about taking points away? now that would be more stupid than you.

Rather like the blatant elbow on Kyle Naughton not so long ago. The only difference is that unfortunately one player has suffered an horrific injury.

Having seen the incident many times since the weekend i think the bottom line is the challenge was terrible and should have been a red card.The ball hasnt arrived, morgan isnt making an attempt to jump and head a ball.For those basic reasons why is the guy smashed in the head.This may sound strange but why is his elbow in the guys face.He should recieve a ban of some kind and be brought to account.The club need to make a statement condeming the incident and then it can be put to rest.

Rather like the blatant elbow on Kyle Naughton not so long ago. The only difference is that unfortunately one player has suffered an horrific injury.Not sure where your coming from there.If you have seen the incident then what is your opinion on it barring bringing other incidents up.It was a terrible thing to see from morgan at the weekend just as it was with other incidents in the 70s ete but where is the relevance to your point.:confused::confused:

Not sure where your coming from there.If you have seen the incident then what is your opinion on it barring bringing other incidents up.It was a terrible thing to see from morgan at the weekend just as it was with other incidents in the 70s ete but where is the relevance to your point.:confused::confused:

Basically it was just to say that both were deliberate elbows to the head, which were (in my opinion) not correctly punished. Had a terrible injury not have occurred to Ian Hume, then this would have been done and dusted along with every other nasty elbow that's happened through footballing history.

I've already made my feelings on the Morgan incident pretty clear fella :thumbsup:

Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal (Habs) Saturday night at hockey.

The Leafs and Habs didn't escape the night without some controversy, though. A first-period hit by Habs forward Tom Kostopoulos left Leafs defenseman Mike Van Ryn with a concussion, broken nose and broken hand. Kostopoulos slammed Van Ryn into the end boards from behind and was ejected with a major for boarding. Van Ryn lay on the ice for several minutes with a cut on his forehead and is expected to miss a month.


What did you think Kostopoulos received as punishment ?


3 games thats what :o:o

Read my post fool. If Hume is to have to finish playing football (it is a bad injury you know) because of Morgans inability to contain his thuggery, then Morgan should have to follow suit. An eye for an eye. This behaviour shouldn't be allowed, it wasn't a clumsy challenge or mistiming but a clearly nasty, career finishing, attack :loopy::loopy::loopy:

read all you posts fool , and all it shows is how biased you are . name me one footballer who has been banned for life for a foul that ended another players career . it happens in contact sport unfortunately .

nutters those ice hockey players:o. they're used to it anyway cb, bet that sort of injury is a walk in the park for those guys

Basically it was just to say that both were deliberate elbows to the head, which were (in my opinion) not correctly punished. Had a terrible injury not have occurred to Ian Hume, then this would have been done and dusted along with every other nasty elbow that's happened through footballing history.

I've already made my feelings on the Morgan incident pretty clear fella :thumbsup:Fair points there,Iwas under the impression you didnt think the incident warrented a red card.:thumbsup:

Just a quick one regarding red and yellow cards.Someone earlier mentioned that when a yellow card is given then thats it even after viewing an incident.Bit strange that because many a red card has been overturned because the ref didnt have a clear view then after looking at video it was overturned.:confused::confused:

but is that your unbiased opinion, or that of an owls fan?

I'm unbiased love i don't follow footie i just saw it on tv.

just been reading an article about de silva when he broke eduardo's leg . loads of peple were saying ban him for life etc , then one person replied that it was only pure luck that players like roy keane didn't cripple a lot of oposition players because he was a animal on the pitch and man united would not have won as many championships if it was not for his contribution .

Just because **** happens doesn't make it ok. A lot of **** happens in life , but why should it be acceptable for someone to walk away from violent conduct scot free. Someone else has said earlier that if that offence was to happen on the street the offender would be charged with GBH. Just because Morgan is a dirty footballer it's ok.....

So, theoretically say Lewis Hamilton drives a bit carelessly, and has a bump during a race with, oh, I don't know, let's say, Kimi Raikonen, (and God forbid either should have an accident...)

Raikonen crawls away from the bump holding his Arm.

His arm turns out to be broken. About 48 hours later, he subsequently develops a blood clot at the injury site, that goes to his brain or lung... emergency surgery ensues.

Hamilton repeatedly and regularly contacts whoever Raikonen drives for, and asks, "Is he ok? What's the update on his condition?"

What do you do? do you scream for this theoretical Hamilton to be charged with dangerous driving, and get a theoretical life ban from F1 and have his civilian driving licence rescinded for life? After all, it was reckless driving... and, like with Morgs, we can't say for certain that his theoretical intent was to do real damage. but hey, the theoretical Raikonen was injured, whether he intended it or not.

or do we say
"Hmmm... dangerous sport, you get injuries... but that's life?"

So, theoretically say Lewis Hamilton drives a bit carelessly, and has a bump during a race with, oh, I don't know, let's say, Kimi Raikonen, (and God forbid either should have an accident...)

Raikonen crawls away from the bump holding his Arm.

His arm turns out to be broken. About 48 hours later, he subsequently develops a blood clot at the injury site, that goes to his brain or lung... emergency surgery ensues.

Hamilton repeatedly and regularly contacts whoever Raikonen drives for, and asks, "Is he ok? What's the update on his condition?"

What do you do? do you scream for this theoretical Hamilton to be charged with dangerous driving, and get a theoretical life ban from F1 and have his civilian driving licence rescinded for life? After all, it was reckless driving... and, like with Morgs, we can't say for certain that his theoretical intent was to do real damage. but hey, the theoretical Raikonen was injured, whether he intended it or not.

or do we say
"Hmmm... dangerous sport, you get injuries... but that's life?"

Your point being morgan was careless then and not aiming his elbow in the guys face .Bear in mind he wasnt trying to jump and the ball hadnt arrived.Where was his elbow going then.Football is played with feet unless players aregoing for a header,can you elaborate on what hewas doing ,please.:confused::confused:

Did anyone listen to (football) radio sheffield - a Barnsley fan rang and stated that radio sheffield had stuck up for Morgan!!!

And he then went on shouting - stating the fans are not just against Morgan now They are against radio sheffield and that they will need a police escort to get any-where near the ground from now on -

Dont know why they didnt just cut him off - but think he was out of order


Also ive been told theres now a petition started thats going to the F.A,
Think its barnsley fans that have started the petition

I still haven't seen the incident, Did Morgan bring both arms back?

Reason I ask is that as a youth player, I'm 32 now , we were trained to do heading in exactly that way from a standing position and that was by an FA approved coach.
I have seen this technique used time and time again for defensive headers with or without an opposing player challenging

I have doubts that Morgs would deliberately set out to do Hume, but will reserve full judgement till i see it myself.


Aside from that :
I'd be interested to know what the Barnsley team talk was before the game, possibly get under the centre halves skins, thats the strength of the Blades, Morgan and Ehiogu may retalliate and we can have them down to 10 men.

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I've just seen the replay, what a load of fuss about nothing. I expected to see Morgan swinging a bent elbow while watching for Hume to get perfect timing, it's nothing of the sort, if Morgans arm hadn't caught him then it would have been a free-kick to United

You can hear it again upto about 5pm tomorrow on the Radio Sheffield website. He rants about 35 minutes in (as I recall).

The very last couple of callers actually had me shouting at the radio and using some quite naughty words.

Especially when the 'logic' seemed to go:

"Terrible challenge + crap decision by referee = claim for damages." = A

"(Claim for damages - crap decision) + a correct decision by referee at the time = no arguing" = B

yet ........

A + B = Carlos Tevez affair.

It's like I should sue the council for stubbing my toe on the grounds that a near neighbour had been burgled.

They'll have kept him on because they rarely have any callers with anything constructive to say on air. He was also doing a very good job of making himself out to be a complete tool.

Which was amusing.

Did anyone see the incident in the Spurs-Liverpool game earlier? the Liverpool fullback in on goal, Gomes (the Spurs keeper) was always favourite and got to the ball first, and the Liverpool player caught him with his boot in the face with his challenge, leaving the keeper motionless on the pitch?

Fortunately (!) it looks like he's come round later (after being stretchered off) and has some bad facial injuries, but could've been far worse (like the Cech incident). Of course the Liverpool player was trying to get the ball, and wasn't trying to hospitalise the keeper (As talksport were at pains to point out), but...

I think it was one of the Owls fans who mentioned earlier here something along the lines that even if Morgan hadn't intended to 'do' Hume, the fact that he's left his elbow hanging out was always likely to hurt him, and so he should've got a red card (which was a fair point).

If the FA (or police) come down on the likes of Morgan's challenge after the event because whatever he intended, it could've injured the other player seriously, then are they going to stamp out all of these sliding challenges players put in on keepers on the floor (Almunia got caught in the face against ManYoo at the weekend too in similar circumstances). Of course they're not trying to maim the keeper, but leading with the boot towards a keeper's face is dangerous, whether the ball is 'there to go for' or not.

And this isn't to try and directly compare Morgan's challenge to these, as they are different - it's more that once you go down the road of bans/police action after the event, then be careful what you're opening up for the future.

Pathetic.
Watch the replay niiiice annnnnd slooooowly. It was not a challenge and it doesn't happen on any given match day (unless Morgans on the field maybe?)but a blatant elbow in the head for crying out loud. Did I say owt about taking points away? now that would be more stupid than you.


I have seen it nice and slowly many times and no matter what you say it does happen. I'm not sticking up for Morgan in any way. I never mentioned you when i said anything about points deductions did i?
Try to engage your brain before typing your blatant blue and white dross.

glad to see some people have some common sence

THE FOOTBALL Association plan to take no further action against Chris Morgan following the incident during last weekend's South Yorkshire derby at Oakwell which left Barnsley striker Iain Hume nursing a fractured skull, The Star can confirm.
Officials at Soho Square are understood to have arrived at their decision after consulting senior figures within the game, including former referees, about whether there was a need to invoke special powers against the Sheffield United captain.

good to hear that.

Hope Hume continues his recovery uneventfully.

Just a quick one regarding red and yellow cards.Someone earlier mentioned that when a yellow card is given then thats it even after viewing an incident.Bit strange that because many a red card has been overturned because the ref didnt have a clear view then after looking at video it was overturned.:confused::confused:

the thing is the ref did see it and gave a yellow card,if he hadn't seen it he wouldn't have given any card.thats when the FA can judge it on vidio evidence ok:thumbsup:

I've just seen the replay, what a load of fuss about nothing. I expected to see Morgan swinging a bent elbow while watching for Hume to get perfect timing, it's nothing of the sort

you know what 8ball you are spot on.
Old CB has been try to say basically the same thing all along.
All the fuss is coming from our pink little chums in S6 sticking their snouts in.
Sorry to disappoint you ladies but the FA have decided to take no action.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Morgan-escapes-FA-rap.4689407.jp

NO Ban :thumbsup:
NO points deduction :thumbsup:

........ and he's looking forward to the crack with London Irish on Saturday.

Not very up to date are you CB? (even to the point of for some bizarre reason including a link to SWFC's lowest ever league finish in your signature, when your own club have finished lower than that twice, and more recently). Nothing's been decided yet.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/BREAKING-Barnsley-dismiss-Morgan-39in.4690370.jp

I got my link from the Star so its not me whos not up to date.

As for my signature, AGAIN its gone WHOOSH right over your head :D
I will spell it out S-L-O-W-L-Y for you.
My Sig is for all those owls who bang on about how big and massive a club they are and how we have lived in their shadow for so many years till now and they remember how the Blades used to get less than 10,000 attendances, well so did the Pigs my friend, so did the pigs :hihi::hihi:

"It's not me who's not up to date" - well, the updated story was on the BBC website half an hour before you posted the old one (and yes, I'm allowing for the incorrect time on the forum clock as well), and not only that but one of your lot posted an excerpt in this very thread from the same article in the Star more than 3 hours before you mentioned it...

As for going over my head, on the contrary, most of your childish banter goes way beneath me. I still can't see what you gain from pointing at Wednesday's lowest ever position when you've been a lot worse than that and more recently? Frankly, historical statistics are something that a blade really shouldn't dig up because for the most part they're going to be rather embarrassed.

you know what 8ball you are spot on.
Old CB has been try to say basically the same thing all along.
All the fuss is coming from our pink little chums in S6 sticking their snouts in.
Sorry to disappoint you ladies but the FA have decided to take no action.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/Morgan-escapes-FA-rap.4689407.jp

NO Ban :thumbsup:
NO points deduction :thumbsup:

I realise it may take a while for news to reach canada from sheffield but once again you are wrong,the F.A are still reviewing the situation and are waiting for evidence to come from Barnsley F.C
Hope the coward gets a very long ban,and that's coming from a football fan,not just an Owl

Anyway, Chris Morgan....

Correct, let's keep it on this issue and not let another discussion drift off topic (again).

I realise it may take a while for news to reach canada from sheffield but once again you are wrong,the F.A are still reviewing the situation and are waiting for evidence to come from Barnsley F.C
Hope the coward gets a very long ban,and that's coming from a football fan,not just an Owl

Now you are showing bias here, football fan or not.
The last thing Morgan is is a coward.
He takes it as well as gives it and it's unfortunate that he injured the guy so badly.
Whatever punishment he gets he'll take it like a man without bleating and whining about it.
If you think he's a coward because of his alleged elbowing then you better take a good look at all the other players, including one that plays for your team, who do the same. :gag:

I've just seen the replay, what a load of fuss about nothing. I expected to see Morgan swinging a bent elbow while watching for Hume to get perfect timing, it's nothing of the sort, if Morgans arm hadn't caught him then it would have been a free-kick to United
Ive just seen the challenge myself, a few times and i agree, except for the 'fuss about nothing ' part. Its caused a fuss because of the extent of the injury and by alot of bored wendies who have little else to fill there footballing time. :) That said I hope Hume makes a full and swift recovery.:thumbsup:

What the hell has all that crap got to do with Morgan's challenge?
Robbie Lovin,i think someone's going off topic!!!
Oh and congrats on winning Div 4 title,how was it down there:hihi:

Oooohhhh Robbie someones going off topic :suspect:
Actually Partridge went off topic about my signature and I answered him so get your facts right before running to the mods :gag:

Now you are showing bias here, football fan or not.
The last thing Morgan is is a coward.
He takes it as well as gives it and it's unfortunate that he injured the guy so badly.
Whatever punishment he gets he'll take it like a man without bleating and whining about it.
If you think he's a coward because of his alleged elbowing then you better take a good look at all the other players, including one that plays for your team, who do the same. :gag:

Agree with you there, this incident is clear evidence of that.

Ive just seen the challenge myself, a few times and i agree, except for the 'fuss about nothing ' part. Its caused a fuss because of the extent of the injury and by alot of bored wendies who have little else to fill there footballing time. That said I hope Hume makes a full and swift recovery.

Local football topic my friend, you'd be doing the same had it been a Wednesday player.

Correct, let's keep it on this issue and not let another discussion drift off topic (again).

One reason why threads drift off topic, is when a debate either starts over somebody's signature, or even worse when an "author" feels he has to explain it!

As there is rarely a thread relating to the contents of "signatures", dialogue then tends to be conducted where the "author" has posted.

I could have also added the word crass before signature (although many are quite witty).

Having typed all that in, I think somebody else had already made the statement for me, whilst I was still typing.

.................and another nappy is about to be napalmed.

Persons keep coming on here with comments about looking at the incident numerous times.
What the heck are they looking at ?
I barely saw the one on Youtube before it got pulled by the FA.
My impression from that, bearing in mind that I only saw it once, was that they were waiting for the ball from a free kick and were jockeying for position like they do from a corner kick.
I personally didn't clearly see the incident regarding the hit with the elbow.
Not disputing the fact, because of the injury, but as I said what video are people looking at ?

Sorry, kept meaning to respond to this thread, but things always pop up.

Honest Rob you really dont think that is a yellow card.You really suprise me man.:(:(

I've played centre half all my life, for me it looks like:

A) there is no intent
B) He has his eyes on the ball at all times
C) he is using his right arm as a shield so he doesn't get clobbered himself
D) the arm is also being used as leverage, if you watch the left arm also comes up just as Hume got it in the face
E) a lot of the momentum is coming from Hume

I see the point where people are stating he has brought back his arm and it's an elbow, but for me there is no "snap" of the arm. That's what decides it for me.

999 times out of 1,000, people go for the ball shielding out of the time and nobody gets hurt, even at that point it won't be a serious injury.
We should be looking at this at what it is, a very sorry and unfortunate freak incident.

Cech actually has a weaker skull than most people, due to him being one of a set of triplets.

Well I never knew that. That is quite interesting in the context of the Hunt/Cech collision

Like the Daily Mail uproar farce last week it looks like Morgan's doing a Ross. The silence from him is deafening. If this was all an accident then why hasn't he come out and said something to put his side forward?

Morgan in all likelyness will have been gagged by United because of threats of lawsuits.

We don't know he hasn't apologised, he just hasn't done it publicly

Hume was almost on the floor before the ball even got there you plum! :loopy: You should try to look a bit like this :cool: and have a guide dog if you thought you saw something else. :loopy:

I think you need to look at the replay again, unless you're defining him being on the floor with his feet

But the police can. If they believe there was any intent he could be serving time for GBH.

What I'd say to that is, good luck proving intent.

Someone else has said earlier that if that offence was to happen on the street the offender would be charged with GBH. Just because Morgan is a dirty footballer it's ok.....

If this was to happen on the street, clearly there would have been intent to do so. You can't compare the two situations because to be honest, it's not like you shield people off when getting on the bus or anything is it?

Moving on.......

I will also make a point about the "fractured skull". I'm led to believe that it is only (I say only, but you know what I mean) a fractured cheek bone. But apparantley this is deemed as part of your skull. It seems people are wanting it to sound more damaging it is, to support their case.

Anyways, I re-iterate, let's get Hume back playing, and hope it is very soon.

Also can we try and keep this on topic.

SF is a privately owned forum and we reserve the right to remove posts or threads at our discretion and the moderators' decision is final'

Most football experts nationally (who aren't Wednesday fans) have universally condemned the 'challenge'.
The majority of non-Blade posters on here have condemned the challenge.
A good few Blade posters have condemned the challenge.
A hard core of a dozen Blades disagree with all the above.
Barnsley have produced 'further evidence' to the Football League, and the FL could take further action, (according to a talkSPORT report today, Thursday) Let's leave it to them, or the Courts, if it goes that far.
I reckon that the thread should be deleted, as it is going round in circles, and we should all agree to disagree. Carrying it on is just fuelling the fire, and, as has been highlighted by the Mods, some of us (and it may be you) could be open to legal action.
I suggest that anyone agreeing to halting this thread (and therefore deletion) should make their feelings known.

I,d agree to that earwiggo, think it's ran its course anyway.

Now you are showing bias here, football fan or not.
The last thing Morgan is is a coward.
He takes it as well as gives it and it's unfortunate that he injured the guy so badly.
Whatever punishment he gets he'll take it like a man without bleating and whining about it.
If you think he's a coward because of his alleged elbowing then you better take a good look at all the other players, including one that plays for your team, who do the same. :gag:

I think any player who elbows another player is a coward
Blade,Owl or Accrington Stanley!!!

Just ask Gary Mabbut what he feels about elbows, Morgan looked at the kid before he even assaulted him.

I was always told, when I was playing and kicking 6 bells out of everybody, that one day I'd come across someone harder and dafter than me. Sure enough I did and spent 18 weeks in plaster. I posted earlier that Morgan 'did' him and thats still my view, but lots of players have been done in the past and lots will get done in the future, because there are some idiots playing at pro level just as there are at amateur level.
I just hope that one of those idiots turns up pretty quickly and dishes out the only punishment that Morgan deserves, and then we can all sit back with a satisfied smile on our faces (except the red and white section of course)

Just ask Gary Mabbut what he feels about elbows, Morgan looked at the kid before he even assaulted him.

no, corks, he didn't "look" at him, he was watching the ball.

Someone has commented about "no apology from Morgs":- Morgs actually goes over to Hume as he's on the deck, and tries to check on him/ speak to him.

I was always told, when I was playing and kicking 6 bells out of everybody, that one day I'd come across someone harder and dafter than me. Sure enough I did and spent 18 weeks in plaster. I posted earlier that Morgan 'did' him and thats still my view, but lots of players have been done in the past and lots will get done in the future, because there are some idiots playing at pro level just as there are at amateur level.
I just hope that one of those idiots turns up pretty quickly and dishes out the only punishment that Morgan deserves, and then we can all sit back with a satisfied smile on our faces (except the red and white section of course)

He already has been decked a number of times.

McCulloch punched him on purpose, Juan Pablo Angel did pretty much the same elbow on him 2 years ago. Also this season against QPR Morgan got kneed in the head while he was getting up off the floor. All incidents looked worse than the incident involving Hume but luckily for Morgan he didnt end up intensive care. Mind you Hume may of not found himself in there if the correct decision was made to send him to hospital as soon as possible.

Someone has commented about "no apology from Morgs":- Morgs actually goes over to Hume as he's on the deck, and tries to check on him/ speak to him.

Oh so in the heat of the game when no one knew the extent of Hume's injury he's gonna say 'Awfully sorry old chap for elbowing you in the face'. Err somehow doubt it.

He's probably saying 'Get thisen up thas got nowt wrong with thee. It's tha own fault yer ran inta mi elbow, soft sod'

He already has been decked a number of times.

McCulloch punched him on purpose, Juan Pablo Angel did pretty much the same elbow on him 2 years ago. Also this season against QPR Morgan got kneed in the head while he was getting up off the floor. All incidents looked worse than the incident involving Hume but luckily for Morgan he didnt end up intensive care. Mind you Hume may of not found himself in there if the correct decision was made to send him to hospital as soon as possible.

If Morgan can dish it out he's gotta expect to receive it. As seen on the You Tube clip with Freedman and if i remember right when the Dingles were in the Prem didn't he get sent off for clotheslining Michael Owen in a bad tempered game :suspect:

Live by the sword and all that...

no, corks, he didn't "look" at him, he was watching the ball.

Someone has commented about "no apology from Morgs":- Morgs actually goes over to Hume as he's on the deck, and tries to check on him/ speak to him.

When the whistle got blown he put his arms up in innocence, that was guilt in itself when put together with the challenge which went with it

Oooohhhh Robbie someones going off topic :suspect:
Actually Partridge went off topic about my signature and I answered him so get your facts right before running to the mods :gag:

Waste of time anyway,certain mods on here are a wee bit biased

Waste of time anyway,certain mods on here are a wee bit biased

They are doing an alright job and we certainly can get away with a lot more than we used to ;)

If Morgan can dish it out he's gotta expect to receive it. As seen on the You Tube clip with Freedman and if i remember right when the Dingles were in the Prem didn't he get sent off for clotheslining Michael Owen in a bad tempered game :suspect:

Live by the sword and all that...

He did receive a far worse elbow from Juan Pablo Angel.
Morgan got up, dusted himself off and got on with the game.

no, corks, he didn't "look" at him, he was watching the ball.

Someone has commented about "no apology from Morgs":- Morgs actually goes over to Hume as he's on the deck, and tries to check on him/ speak to him.

Christ,women and football:loopy:
If i came over to your house punched you in the face and ask you are feeling o.k while your lying on your floor would that make it all o.k?

He did receive a far worse elbow from Juan Pablo Angel.
Morgan got up, dusted himself off and got on with the game.

What he fractured his skull as well??

Thingything, What sort of Gentleman are you? Surely you will close the door on the way out

What he fractured his skull as well??

Maybe Hume has a softer head?
or
Angel has a softer elbow?

He did receive a far worse elbow from Juan Pablo Angel.
Morgan got up, dusted himself off and got on with the game.

So your justifying Morgan AND Angel for elbowing?
Or just singing Morgan's praises as a hard man who has to elbow a player in the face to win the ball

Thingything, What sort of Gentleman are you? Surely you will close the door on the way out

Maybe,might even give her a quick elbow while im leaving so i get to the door first!!!

lets ban all tackles and call the police in for every foul. Sorted

Maybe,might even give her a quick elbow while im leaving!!!


Lol, don't forget service with a smile, I thought Morgs was a bit stonefaced

So your justifying Morgan AND Angel for elbowing?

Right then, tell me what you thought about JJ's elbow on Naughton.
What if he had fractured his skull.
That was a cowardly act, far worse than what Morgan did.
I feel bad for Hume and hope he recovers and can play football again because the Canadian National team needs him.
I have seen then video a few times before it got yanked and what i saw was Hume racing in for the ball with his arm out heading straight for Morgan.
Elbow goes out to protect his space and Hume whos barreling in runs straight into it.
Have you ever seen Hume play ?
Well I have, he gets the ball, head down and runs as fast as he can.
I think Morgan is being vilified as a coward and a thug mostly by the grunters on here and its nice you are all sticking your snouts in...The ref gave a yellow card and if Barnsley have more evidence like they say the the FA will do summat about it....
Its getting a bit like your takeover now...VERY BORING

Right then, tell me what you thought about JJ's elbow on Naughton.
What if he had fractured his skull.
That was a cowardly act, far worse than what Morgan did.

What if your arm bursts.

You seriously think Johnson's challenge was "far worse" than Morgan's? I feel embarrassed for you, I really do!

How on earth can you say that Johnson's challenge which was him going in for a tackle with his arm out and making contact with his elbow was as bad as Morgan blatantly swinging his elbow into a bloke's head when the ball was nowhere near!

Here's how Morgan's was worse, which you somehow can't see - Johnson's admittedly reckless challenge resulted in 30 seconds treatment and Naughton carried on playing. I've seen the replays many times and at no point was the elbow swung, although there was obviously contact. Perhaps on another day he'd have received a red card for it. Morgan's clear swing of the elbow into a fellow professional's head resulted in the other player coming close to death, yet the ref bottled it due to having already sent off two players for violent conduct and only gave a yellow.

I'm amazed that anybody can try and defend Morgan on this one - even Bladebloke, the most blinkered pig on the planet, took time out from putting flags up in pub windows to admit that it deserved a red card! Had it been a Wednesday player making that challenge on Hume you'd have been among the first to come on here moaning about it, and you know it.

If Morgan can dish it out he's gotta expect to receive it. As seen on the You Tube clip with Freedman and if i remember right when the Dingles were in the Prem didn't he get sent off for clotheslining Michael Owen in a bad tempered game :suspect:

Live by the sword and all that...

13 career red cards for Chris "not that kind of player" Morgan. I think that says a lot about him.

Christ,women and football:loopy:
If i came over to your house punched you in the face and ask you are feeling o.k while your lying on your floor would that make it all o.k?

the main response to that would be that it would add up to both trespass and premeditated assault, thing...

I'd liken it more to perhaps me wheeling my 'leccy' chair down Fargate, past W.H.Smiths door, and you collide with me as you walk out of Smiths, neither of us entirely watching where we were going. Something along the lines of me running over your foot and breaking a bone, or fetching you a whack on the ankle with the metal footplate, and doing your ankle a mischief.

You weren't expecting me to be pootling my way past the door, I wasn't expecting you to be coming out of the door...

How on earth can you say that Johnson's challenge which was him going in for a tackle with his arm out and making contact with his elbow was as bad as Morgan blatantly swinging his elbow into a bloke's head when the ball was nowhere near!

Because BOTH elbows to THE HEAD were committed and should have BOTH
resulted in red cards.

Here's how Morgan's was worse, which you somehow can't see - Johnson's admittedly reckless challenge resulted in 30 seconds treatment and Naughton carried on playing. I've seen the replays many times and at no point was the elbow swung, although there was obviously contact. Perhaps on another day he'd have received a red card for it. Morgan's clear swing of the elbow into a fellow professional's head resulted in the other player coming close to death, yet the ref bottled it due to having already sent off two players for violent conduct and only gave a yellow.

The offence is the same. A deliberate elbow. One happened to result in a horrific injury. If you think that two similar ACTIONS but with differing OUTCOMES means that one ACTION is worse than the other, then you really are a tiny brain.

I'm amazed that anybody can try and defend Morgan on this one - even Bladebloke, the most blinkered pig on the planet, took time out from putting flags up in pub windows to admit that it deserved a red card! Had it been a Wednesday player making that challenge on Hume you'd have been among the first to come on here moaning about it, and you know it.

Just as you are this way round. I'm certainly not going to say that Morgan's challenge was good, or even close to legal, but Johnson's challenge was at least as pre-meditated (if either challenge were). He'd been running alongside Naughton for long enough before taking him out. Both were terrible; both deserved red cards.

Waste of time anyway,certain mods on here are a wee bit biased

And 50% are biased the other way.

Maybe,might even give her a quick elbow while im leaving so i get to the door first!!!


Forget it - they're blunts who think it's ok in football to fracture someones skull by deliberately elbowing them in the head - even when theres no ball around!!.. it's like trying to teach chimps to read mate.

The comparisons with JJ's light tap on Naughton is laughable - especially those who have stated:

'Right then, tell me what you thought about JJ's elbow on Naughton.
That was a cowardly act, far worse than what Morgan did.

Players and fans alike at Bumhole Lane!

<snipped> Forget it - they're blunts who think it's ok in football to fracture someones skull by deliberately elbowing them in the head - even when theres no ball around!!.. it's like trying to teach chimps to read mate.[/I]

Players and fans alike at Bumhole Lane!

I object to that, Lestat. I did not say it was ok:- what I have done is say that Barnsley should have acted a darn sight quicker to Hume's injury than they did, if it was so obvious. Davey was so busy griping about being sent to the stand, that there wasn't a mention of Hume's injury.

The offence is the same. A deliberate elbow. One happened to result in a horrific injury. If you think that two similar ACTIONS but with differing OUTCOMES means that one ACTION is worse than the other, then you really are a tiny brain.



The entire point being that CB stated that Johnson's elbow was WORSE than Morgan's! When it clearly wasn't.

I haven't even said that Johnson's wasn't a red card offence. An elbow is an elbow, as you rightly say, but there IS a massive difference between going into a challenge with an arm up but not actually swinging the elbow, and swinging an elbow into a player's head before the ball even arrived.

It's like saying that running somebody over in a residential street at 20mph is worse than doing it at 80mph. They're both crimes, but one is far more stupid and dangerous than the other.

Whether there was intent or not, I think we need to take into account what is considered to be dangerous play.

If you raise your foot above chest height when no one is around you, then no problem, and the ref doesn't stop play.

Raise your foot above chest height in close proximity to another player in a way that can cause injury, then the ref can stop play for dangerous play.

Regardless of Morgans intent to injure, he has his elbow (not his arm) at head height, and he swings it pretty hard, and he isn't using it for leverage on a jump - he is using it to protect the space he has, because when the initial ball is played in to Hume, Morgan is not in the correct position. He moves to his right, stands his ground and swings his arm to stop Hume moving into the path of the ball.

Whether he intends to make contact with Humes head, or to injure him will always be a debateable point, but his actions are dangerous, as shown by the result. For that, he deserves to be punished.

I'm not one of his Chris Morgans biggest fans. I admire his willing to 'get stuck in' but he can at times be a liability to the team.

However, I don't think there was intent in Morgan's challenge.

If the Morgan challenge had not resulted in an injury to Hume, would there be so much media furore over this? I didn't think it was that bad a challenge, and we have seen and will continue to see far worse that don't result in any injury at all...

I'm not one of his Chirs Morgans biggest fans. I admire his willing to 'get stuck in' but he can at times be a liability to the team.

However, I don't think there was intent in Morgan's challenge.

If the Morgan challenge had not resulted in an injury to Hume, would there be so much media furore over this? I didn't think it was that bad a challenge, and we have seen and will continue to see far worse that don't result in any injury at all...

good point , if the injury had not happened ,this would be long forgotten .

hahaha!! Some of the piggies comments are laughable.

I agree comparing JJ and Morgans elbow incidents is laughable, JJ's was nasty and pre meditated and Morgan's was nothing more than an incident.

How can Morgan's have been pre meditated when you can clearly see from the video evidence he's clearly got his eye on the ball.

Pigs preaching again how they're whiter than white, who would have thought it??!!???

You can hear it again upto about 5pm tomorrow on the Radio Sheffield website. He rants about 35 minutes in (as I recall).

The very last couple of callers actually had me shouting at the radio and using some quite naughty words.........


NO mate, not you.

Don't you go down that route.

You are one of the decent fellows on here,.

I wouldn't want to see you suffering any more than you already do :)

hahaha!! Some of the piggies comments are laughable.

I agree comparing JJ and Morgans elbow incidents is laughable, JJ's was nasty and pre meditated and Morgan's was nothing more than an incident.

How can Morgan's have been pre meditated when you can clearly see from the video evidence he's clearly got his eye on the ball.

Pigs preaching again how they're whiter than white, who would have thought it??!!???

How can you see what he's looking at when the video only shows the back of his head?

How can you see what he's looking at when the video only shows the back of his head?

This is the thing Frank, non of us really do know if its intentional but their is a hell of a lot of assumptions been made by both sides.

I read a few comments on here but have only just seen the incident on the tele and it wasn't as bad as i expected, both players came together, Hume moved towards Morgan and Hume is only a small chap and Morgan moved towards Hume with his elbow out ready to jump and both players clashed and lets face it Morgan is a big bugger and could cause a lot of players damage if an unfortunate clash like this happens.

Its likes JJ's elbow on Naughton, Johnson swung an elbow out behind him to try and get rid of the irritation of Naughton's challenge, again Naughton is a small lad compared to Johnson and was caught but what was Johnson expecting to achieve by swinging the elbow? He was getting hot headed anyway and this was proved by the sending off after the substituation incident.

Lets face it, we'll never know if Johnson or Morgan meant to injure their appoinant but i really don't thing Morgan is that type or player, hard yes, nasty no.

As for Johnson, i've not seen enough of him to comment on what sort or personality he is.

I object to that, Lestat. I did not say it was ok:- what I have done is say that Barnsley should have acted a darn sight quicker to Hume's injury than they did, if it was so obvious. Davey was so busy griping about being sent to the stand, that there wasn't a mention of Hume's injury.

I'm not aiming it at you PT, I was objecting to the point made by CB wearing his pig-tinted glasses that Morgans challenge wasn't as bad as JJ's!!..

To Stockers too, it's laughable how your piggy lot have to compare Morgans dirty challenge to a Wednesday players challenge???.. theres thousands of examples you could have compared it to, but no - lets have a go at Wednesday too!.. Thats why so many of your Blue n White chums are on here making their point.

I'm not aiming it at you PT, I was objecting to the point made by CB wearing his pig-tinted glasses that Morgans challenge wasn't as bad as JJ's!!..

To Stockers too, it's laughable how your piggy lot have to compare Morgans dirty challenge to a Wednesday players challenge???.. theres thousands of examples you could have compared it to, but no - lets have a go at Wednesday too!.. Thats why so many of your Blue n White chums are on here making their point.


I know you're not the sharpest knife in the box Lestat but the reason we're comparing a Wednesday player to Morgan's challenge is because you lot all have your opinion on how many weeks Morgan should be banned for and how many points the Blades should be deducted but the only difference between Morgans and Johnson's elbow was Morgan's resulted in a serious injury, Johnsons could have resulted in a serious injury but luckily enough Naughton got off lightly.

I know you're not the sharpest knife in the box Lestat but the reason we're comparing a Wednesday player to Morgan's challenge is because you lot all have your opinion on how many weeks Morgan should be banned for and how many points the Blades should be deducted but the only difference between Morgans and Johnson's elbow was Morgan's resulted in a serious injury, Johnsons could have resulted in a serious injury but luckily enough Naughton got off lightly.

I think you need to keep sitting in that interesting shed of yours but switch the light on occasionally - it helps.

Morgan is a dirty player, a crap dirty player at that and needs to be kicked out of the game. This has nothing to do with Wednesday so keep them out of your own problems... Uni-turds dont have a clue do they.

[QUOTE=Lestat;4307034]I'm not aiming it at you PT, I was objecting to the point made by CB wearing his pig-tinted glasses that Morgans challenge wasn't as bad as JJ's!!.. QUOTE]

Why are you pigs all sticking your snouts in anyways , seems our curly tailed pink chums are more obsessed about it than Barnsley and the Blades put together....

P.S. JJ's act was cowardly and before you say i didn't see it.
I was on the CrumbLeppings lane end and saw a cowardly act of a player throwing an elbow into anothers players head who had no idea it was coming.
And all this Man(Morgan) hurting a young kid (Hume) talk from the piggies, well arseh*le, foot, stinky JJ is 28 and Naughton was 19 till a couple of days ago.
Theres a lot of pig tinted spec posting that goes on, on these pages mate so have a look at yourself in the mirror
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Morgan is a dirty player, a crap dirty player at that and needs to be kicked out of the game. This has nothing to do with Wednesday so keep them out of your own problems... Uni-turds dont have a clue do they.

Another well thoughtout response from you Lestat, please accept my appologies for deciding to ignore your future posts.......as for Uni-turds, oh dear oh dear..........the hours must fly by in your house.:loopy::help:

I think you need to keep sitting in that interesting shed of yours but switch the light on occasionally - it helps.

Morgan is a dirty player, a crap dirty player at that and needs to be kicked out of the game. This has nothing to do with Wednesday so keep them out of your own problems... Uni-turds dont have a clue do they.

A truly thought provoking, considered and un-biased post as always.

Another well thoughtout response from you Lestat, please accept my appologies for deciding to ignore your future posts.......as for Uni-turds, oh dear oh dear..........the hours must fly by in your house.:loopy::help:

I just dont understand why you lot keep comparing Morgan with JJ??.. it makes no sense? Your player caused a life-threatening injury to another player.
Ours didn't. End of.:confused:

You can ignore my future posts if you wish but that obviously shows it's because you don't have an answer.

lighten up lads

I was on the CrumbLeppings lane end and saw a cowardly act of a player throwing an elbow into anothers players head who had no idea it was coming.
...

What, like BladeBbloke was in legends, and then he wasn't?

Some dream world you all live in!

Did it take your breath away as well, when Steve Watson's chip went WHOOSH over Paddy's head?
- Or should that have been PaddyMac's head :)

Because, there were about five thousand of you all standing staring open mouthed at the time, just like penguins do whilst waiting their turn to be fed a mouthful of fish, in a zoo enclosure.

This is the thing Frank, non of us really do know if its intentional but their is a hell of a lot of assumptions been made by both sides.

I read a few comments on here but have only just seen the incident on the tele and it wasn't as bad as i expected, both players came together, Hume moved towards Morgan and Hume is only a small chap and Morgan moved towards Hume with his elbow out ready to jump and both players clashed and lets face it Morgan is a big bugger and could cause a lot of players damage if an unfortunate clash like this happens.

Its likes JJ's elbow on Naughton, Johnson swung an elbow out behind him to try and get rid of the irritation of Naughton's challenge, again Naughton is a small lad compared to Johnson and was caught but what was Johnson expecting to achieve by swinging the elbow? He was getting hot headed anyway and this was proved by the sending off after the substituation incident.

Lets face it, we'll never know if Johnson or Morgan meant to injure their appoinant but i really don't thing Morgan is that type or player, hard yes, nasty no.

As for Johnson, i've not seen enough of him to comment on what sort or personality he is.

From that description, I seriously doubt that you've actually seen either incident!

Morgan clearly swings his elbow towards Hume before the ball arrives, connects with his head and the bloke nearly died. As for the Johnson incident, I've already said that it was reckless and could easily have received a red card. However, I've seen the replays many times, in high definition, and it's perfectly clear that Johnson does NOT swing his elbow into Naughton's face. His arm was raised in the challenge and made contact, but how you can say that he "swung an elbow out behind him" is just laughable. And completely fictional.

A serious question for blades - had an identical challenge to Morgan's been made by, for example, Tommy Spurr, how many of you would be on here saying how disgraceful it was and he should be getting banned? I'd say pretty much all of you, and I'd be on here as well saying it was a disgraceful challenge. But some of your attempts to defend Morgan and claim that Johnson's was a worse challenge are just ludicrous, and are making the posters concerned look rather foolish.

P.S. JJ's act was cowardly and before you say i didn't see it.
I was on the CrumbLeppings lane end and saw a cowardly act of a player throwing an elbow into anothers players head who had no idea it was coming.

Erm, you weren't though, were you?

Forget it - they're blunts who think it's ok in football to fracture someones skull by deliberately elbowing them in the head - even when theres no ball around!!.. it's like trying to teach chimps to read mate.

The comparisons with JJ's light tap on Naughton is laughable - especially those who have stated:

'Right then, tell me what you thought about JJ's elbow on Naughton.
That was a cowardly act, far worse than what Morgan did.

Players and fans alike at Bumhole Lane!

no it's not... your problem is you only come on to wind people up, no that there actually your thoughts. what JJ did could have broken his jaw.. that was disgraceful!!

A serious question for blades - had an identical challenge to Morgan's been made by, for example, Tommy Spurr, how many of you would be on here saying how disgraceful it was and he should be getting banned? I'd say pretty much all of you, and I'd be on here as well saying it was a disgraceful challenge. But some of your attempts to defend Morgan and claim that Johnson's was a worse challenge are just ludicrous, and are making the posters concerned look rather foolish.

Johnson's challenge is completely irrelevant in the debate about Chris Morgan so there is no need to comment on that.

There has been a lot of reactionary nonsense from a few newspapers, Barnsley officals and forum users which is to be expected.

Their manager has 'done a Wenger' in airing his views on the incident so soon after the game, which has helped stoke the fire.... Of course, one or two fans from our local rivals keen to jump on the bandwagon have entered the fray. Remove the context of the game being a derby, and the spice of Morgan and Howard being former Barnsley players, then there really isn't an awful lot to talk about, is there?

Hand on heart I don't think the challenge was that bad. Unfortunately, the challenge has resulted in a serious injury. As previously stated, far worse challenges occur without any injury at all. Let's not forget Morgan only received a yellow card, and if there was no injury, this thread wouldn't exist.

.........Hand on heart I don't think the challenge was that bad. Unfortunately, the challenge has resulted in a serious injury. As previously stated, far worse challenges occur without any injury at all. Let's not forget Morgan only received a yellow card, and if there was no injury, this thread wouldn't exist.
I'll agree with that.
But without it, what would we have all "talked" about this week!

Thank you!... This is what I'm trying to point out to the piggies but without any luck. :rolleyes:


And Morgans challenge is between Barnsley and Blades but all we have on here is piggies sticking there snouts in.

I guess Johnsons challenge got brought into the equation because IF Naughton had got hurt then would we be going on about Morgans challenge ?

Both struck a man in the head, one did serious damage and one didn't but could have ...The intent was there in both cases from what we are reading but NOBODY but Morgan knows that and while ever theres red and white specs and blue and white specs for sale then we will always agree to disagree

ermmmm YES i was cant you read :huh::huh:

Oh dear, playing childish games now are we? How sad. OK, I'll carry it on, no you weren't.

Johnson's challenge got brought into the equation by sad blades (such as yourself) who can't admit that Chris "not that kind of player despite 13 red cards" Morgan deserved to be sent off. Of course it's irrelevant, but if it deflects some attention from the Morgan incident you'll keep bringing it up.

Right then, tell me what you thought about JJ's elbow on Naughton.
What if he had fractured his skull.
That was a cowardly act, far worse than what Morgan did.
I feel bad for Hume and hope he recovers and can play football again because the Canadian National team needs him.
I have seen then video a few times before it got yanked and what i saw was Hume racing in for the ball with his arm out heading straight for Morgan.
Elbow goes out to protect his space and Hume whos barreling in runs straight into it.
Have you ever seen Hume play ?
Well I have, he gets the ball, head down and runs as fast as he can.
I think Morgan is being vilified as a coward and a thug mostly by the grunters on here and its nice you are all sticking your snouts in...The ref gave a yellow card and if Barnsley have more evidence like they say the the FA will do summat about it....
Its getting a bit like your takeover now...VERY BORING

Jesus,are you stupid or do you enjoy making yourself look a prat on here?
YES Johnson's elbow was wrong and he desreved a red card for it but he didn't put a bloke in intensive care did he!!!

Jesus,are you stupid or do you enjoy making yourself look a prat on here?
YES Johnson's elbow was wrong and he desreved a red card for it but he didn't put a bloke in intensive care did he!!!

No I am far from Stupid Tinything trust me.
The point is he could easily have put Naughton in Intensive care.
So come on then Einstein show me where I am making a prat of myself on a forum thats for debates and banter ...Is that because i disagree with some Pigs who are posting about a challenge they saw on a video and on TV ?
You piggies need to get back to worrying about your takeover and the mess you call a football club and let the FA worry about Morgan because seems only the piggies are going on and on about it

Oh dear, playing childish games now are we? How sad. OK, I'll carry it on, no you weren't.

Johnson's challenge got brought into the equation by sad blades (such as yourself) who can't admit that Chris "not that kind of player despite 13 red cards" Morgan deserved to be sent off. Of course it's irrelevant, but if it deflects some attention from the Morgan incident you'll keep bringing it up.

He was given a YELLOW CARD by the ref who was right there...

Hang on Partridge who wasnt there thinks it was a RED CARD.

Ever played football in your life Al or where you more of a rounders type bloke ?

No I am far from Stupid Tinything trust me.
The point is he could easily have put Naughton in Intensive care.
So come on then Einstein show me where I am making a prat of myself on a forum thats for debates and banter ...Is that because i disagree with some Pigs who are posting about a challenge they saw on a video and on TV ?
You piggies need to get back to worrying about your takeover and the mess you call a football club and let the FA worry about Morgan because seems only the piggies are going on and on about it

And how many posts have you made about it!!!
Could have put him in intensive care hardly compares to DID put him in intensive care does it!!!

He was given a YELLOW CARD by the ref who was right there...

Hang on Partridge who wasnt there thinks it was a RED CARD.

Ever played football in your life Al or where you more of a rounders type bloke ?

Oh dear, just when you think his arguments can't get any more pathetic he pulls another one out of the bag.

Of course I wasn't there, I was watching my own team. But like everybody else, I've seen the replays on TV which give a far better view of the incident than those who were there got. The ref had already sent off two players for violent conduct, and therefore obviously bottled giving another one, it shouldn't happen but in reality it does.

Going by your rationale, how can you say that Johnson should have got a red card then?

He was given a YELLOW CARD by the ref who was right there...

Hang on Canadablade who wasnt there thinks it was a RED CARD

hahaha!! Some of the piggies comments are laughable.

I agree comparing JJ and Morgans elbow incidents is laughable, JJ's was nasty and pre meditated and Morgan's was nothing more than an incident.

How can Morgan's have been pre meditated when you can clearly see from the video evidence he's clearly got his eye on the ball.

Pigs preaching again how they're whiter than white, who would have thought it??!!???

So if he's got his eye on the ball and totally concentrating on the ball whats the need to swing his arm into a players face?

Disgraceful way Dingles are trying to smear Morgan and Blades, it was a red card job but ref gave Yellow, (Durso is a complete tosser, kicked out of Prem for being no good), he did not initially even give a foul against Morgan, but waited until Blades eventually put ball into touch before booking Morgan. No reason to book if he saw any incident should have been a straight red.

FA have said “nothing extraordinary” in the challenge hence no further action, however Slag Heap Rovers still intend sending further “evidence” for them to review.

Simon Davey absolute disgrace in his attempts to put up a smokescreen to try and defend his actions hopefully FA will see through it and give him a long touchline ban.

This should see him sacked as he has lived on last seasons cup run for too long.



Ian Hume is a Dickov type player always leaving the foot in and trying to referee games, interestingly a M City fan was talking to me before the game and was sure he would get it from Sun Jihai has he had done Sun off the ball 2 seasons ago in a cup game.

He was also red carded against Colchester last seaon when playing for Leicester for elbowing an opponent (goes around comes around)!

A serious question for blades - had an identical challenge to Morgan's been made by, for example, Tommy Spurr, how many of you would be on here saying how disgraceful it was and he should be getting banned? I'd say pretty much all of you, and I'd be on here as well saying it was a disgraceful challenge. But some of your attempts to defend Morgan and claim that Johnson's was a worse challenge are just ludicrous, and are making the posters concerned look rather foolish.

Honestly, whilst I might not be sticking up for him. I would definately not say he intended to do another player.

I take each challenge on it's merits. I have often been critical of Morgan and think at times he is a liabilty, not just with mistakes but with his dangerous at times tackling.

However in this instance, I can't say that Morgans play was all that bad.

Christ,women and football:loopy:
If i came over to your house punched you in the face and ask you are feeling o.k while your lying on your floor would that make it all o.k?

Pre-meditated.
Totally different scenario.

Pointless example.

what JJ did could have broken his jaw.. that was disgraceful!!

Yep COULD have broken his jaw. He didn't. It's like saying one day you COULD actually talk some sense but that's not going to happen either

Yep COULD have broken his jaw. He didn't. It's like saying one day you COULD actually talk some sense but that's not going to happen either

The INTENT was there was it not ?

Oh dear, just when you think his arguments can't get any more pathetic he pulls another one out of the bag.

Of course I wasn't there, I was watching my own team. But like everybody else, I've seen the replays on TV which give a far better view of the incident than those who were there got. The ref had already sent off two players for violent conduct, and therefore obviously bottled giving another one, it shouldn't happen but in reality it does.

Going by your rationale, how can you say that Johnson should have got a red card then?

He was given a YELLOW CARD by the ref who was right there...

Hang on Canadablade who wasnt there thinks it was a RED CARD

Good answer Al :wave: so from this I can gather you have never played football and challenged for a ball.

The INTENT was there was it not ?

The only people who know if the intent was there are the players involved in both incidents.

Good answer Al :wave: so from this I can gather you have never played football and challenged for a ball.

Yes I've played, I've challenged for many balls, won some and lost some.

But I've never put anybody in hospital with my elbow, nor have I ever received a single red card, let alone 13.

The only people who know if the intent was there are the players involved in both incidents.

You're wrong.

From his previous comments, CB obviously knows for a FACT that Morgan was just innocently going for the ball, but Johnson's challenge was vicious, intentional and pre-meditated.