At last somebody has recognised that we don't all want to be choked on cigarette smoke as we have a drink, not to mention stinking like an old ashtray when we leave. Hooray.

The Phoenix at High Lane, Ridgeway (just a little bit further than White Lane at Gleadless) opens tomorrow and bills itself as Sheffield's first smoke free pub. It has just been refurbished and promises good food as well.

I hope all you lot who don't like breathing in other peoples pollution will give it a try.

Not very rock and roll.

Wonder what type of clientele they'll attract.

I'm a non smoker myself, but as smokers come to pubs expecting to smoke and drink and relax, it seems that this pub will be more of a restaurant than a place to go for a night out.

Oh, and try stopping people from smoking.......

Don't get me wrong, I don't like breathing in other's smoke, but with enough fans and air circulation, pubs needn't be the smokey holes they used to be labelled as.

By excluding smokers, you're excluding some big drinkers who keep the profits rolling in....that's from a business perspective.

Thats as may be Classic, but as a non smoker I welcome it.
We won't all be sipping the tomato juice you know, I love a pint or two.

I suppose thay have done their research before they have made the decision and obviously see a demand for it.

Originally posted by Classic Rock
Not very rock and roll.

Wonder what type of clientele they'll attract.

I'm a non smoker myself, but as smokers come to pubs expecting to smoke and drink and relax, it seems that this pub will be more of a restaurant than a place to go for a night out.

Oh, and try stopping people from smoking.......

Don't get me wrong, I don't like breathing in other's smoke, but with enough fans and air circulation, pubs needn't be the smokey holes they used to be labelled as.

By excluding smokers, you're excluding some big drinkers who keep the profits rolling in....that's from a business perspective.
The attempt must be applauded though. Also, there is no proof that banning smoking in a pub reduces its earnings. There are many studies which show quite the opposite. I haven't got the time to find them atm but they are there.

Perhaps this new pub could be a future venue for a meet (not on a Thursday though).

If the trend continues as it is then one day in the not so distant future, all pubs may ban smoking. Not sure if it'll happen, but it has been rumoured.....

That'll be 'interesting' to re-inforce and implement.

Right folks....this is my last post for 2 weeks, I'm off on my hols. Ta ta for now.

Originally posted by Classic Rock
Not very rock and roll.

Wonder what type of clientele they'll attract.

I'm a non smoker myself, but as smokers come to pubs expecting to smoke and drink and relax, it seems that this pub will be more of a restaurant than a place to go for a night out.

Oh, and try stopping people from smoking.......

Don't get me wrong, I don't like breathing in other's smoke, but with enough fans and air circulation, pubs needn't be the smokey holes they used to be labelled as.

By excluding smokers, you're excluding some big drinkers who keep the profits rolling in....that's from a business perspective.

Me for one. I will probably go with a group of friends and have a meal.

The pub is in quite a picturesque area so I don't suppose big drinkers are in their clientelle.

I couldn't care less. There's a myriad of venues where smoking is prohibited, go there.

I smoke a lot, and while I still believe that if people want to pollute their own lungs they should be able to, I hate people who smoke between courses at restaurants. It tastes horrible to say the least!! I would like to see more non-smoking venues...

Originally posted by Mo
... and bills itself as Sheffield's first smoke free pub.

The Gardeners' Rest, on Neepseed lane, is smoke free and has been for a while I believe. They did a survey of the regulars and it was decided by the majority.

you sure about that
went in a couple of months ago could smoke then maybe its just one side you cant smoke in

No, the Gardeners is not currently fully non-smoking. However there is a non-smoking room (the small one if you turn left instead of right as you go in) and smoking is not allowed at the bar.

However smoking is permitted in the conservatory and main lounge.

You are correct in the fact there was a survey form distributed. I will have to find out!

Surely the best answer is to have a no-smoking room as the Fat Cat has for over 20 years, then you get the choice.

Originally posted by Classic Rock

By excluding smokers, you're excluding some big drinkers who keep the profits rolling in....that's from a business perspective.

Totally agree, I go out most weekends with a large group of mates and mates mates etc etc. The majority of the group smoke. Therefore we would not consider going to a non-smoking venue, so if a pub that we go to a lot decides to turn non-smoking, they will lose money from us! We are big drinkers :)
I don't get the logic of a non-smoking pub! cigarettes and alcohol are a fine coupling! I do think it's good to have the option of a non-smoking area though for those that don't like it.

Originally posted by Foxxx
Totally agree, I go out most weekends with a large group of mates and mates mates etc etc. The majority of the group smoke. Therefore we would not consider going to a non-smoking venue, so if a pub that we go to a lot decides to turn non-smoking, they will lose money from us! We are big drinkers :)
I don't get the logic of a non-smoking pub! cigarettes and alcohol are a fine coupling! I do think it's good to have the option of a non-smoking area though for those that don't like it.

All a pub or club needs is proper air cleaning apparatus and non smokers need never be troubled by it. It's an expense of course, but I see no reason why that, over time, atmospheric pollutant levels should be regulated in public buildings, by health and safety, just like verything else.

It's expensive stuff (air treatment eqpt) but it does the job; you can't install it everywhere (low beamed 16th century pub for example), but in newly refurbed places it should become mandatory.

Originally posted by robh
Surely the best answer is to have a no-smoking room as the Fat Cat has for over 20 years, then you get the choice.

The thing with NO SMOKING rooms is that the smoke doesn't know that it's supposed to stop at the door. Also unless you are not going to go to the bar or loo you have to pass through smoking areas. A thoroughly unpleasant business.

Originally posted by Mo
The thing with NO SMOKING rooms is that the smoke doesn't know that it's supposed to stop at the door. Also unless you are not going to go to the bar or loo you have to pass through smoking areas. A thoroughly unpleasant business.

I agree. Someone once equated non-smoking areas in pubs with non-p*ssing areas in swimming pools.

Originally posted by Foxxx
I don't get the logic of a non-smoking pub! cigarettes and alcohol are a fine coupling! I do think it's good to have the option of a non-smoking area though for those that don't like it.

For a non smoker there is no logic connecting alcohol and cigarettes.

At my current (school) and previous (IT business) places of work, smokers are and were definetly in the minority and I am sure if we all went out and had the choice of a smoking or smoke-free pub we would definetly go for the latter.

We should make efforts to provide comfortable smoke free environments where we can. this link (http://www.doh.gov.uk/cmo/annualreport2002/smoke.htm) if you need convicing.

bit of whingin goin on from the health do gooders
if i want to smoke in a bar /pub i will i WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY
ahhh i feel better now
wers me cigs lol

Originally posted by panda79
bit of whingin goin on from the health do gooders
if i want to smoke in a bar /pub i will i WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY
ahhh i feel better now
wers me cigs lol

And I shall then feel free to spit in your beer :P After all - it's a free country :thumbsup:

tony
u have a serious attitude problem
if you want a no smoking bar/pub go to one theres plenty of bars/pubs with no smoking sections go in one of those ....weird thing is the ones who are against smoking are so pro drugs but saying that all depends whats in with the right on crowd i spose

Hehe, sorry I'm in a mischevious mood tonight! I won't really spit in your beer :D Being serious for a mo' - I reckon that they will make everything no smoking in the next couple of years, and pubs / bars will have to prove that they have proper ventilation that can cope. [warning - rant on] It isn't very nice for a minority of the population to make everyone else uncomfortable with their poisonous habit. [rant off]

probly will happen yeh what happens in america genrally happens here ....

I think they are going the wrong way to attract customers

They should allow cannabis smoking in there.

Now that would bring the punters in

Originally posted by Mo
At last somebody has recognised that we don't all want to be choked on cigarette smoke as we have a drink, not to mention stinking like an old ashtray when we leave. Hooray.

As a non-smoker this sounds good to me. It allows the option of non-smokers having a drink in a smoke free environment if that's what they fancy.

However, I have the problem that out of my friends there's a mix between smokers and non-smokers. I go to regular pubs with both, but then that would mean having to go out without your mates who smoke when you want to go to a non-smoking pub. For me this would be a problem that might determine how often I were likely to go to a non-smoking pub. I'm sure my smoker friends would be quite happy going off to a place where they can smoke, but isn't the whole idea to go out together and not have to split up?

Also it means staying in the same pub the whole night, which might not take your fancy. Unless a whole load of non-smoking pubs opened up near each other then you could have a few bevvies in each. It seems to defeat the object if you were to have a few drinks in a non-smoking pub then go onto a regular pub afterwards. You'd still end up stinking at the end of the night.

I'm definately for it though, I hope it's a success but I'm not so sure ...

Hello

I live in Leeds, can't stand smoke, enjoy drinking, heard about this pub. Decided to go to the Phoenix from now on. It means travelling on train but I'm prepared to do that.
It would be great if the landlord/lady opened a chain....

Is the Phoenix anywhere near a train station?
SMOKING WILL BE BANNED SOON.
We non smokers have a right to breathe fresh air, you smokers don't have rights to damage our health, so stub out....

Gaynor

I agree there should be pubs/bars where people can go and have a drink without being subjected to other peoples smoke but I just don't see why it has to be a blanket ban as suggested. Why not have a quota of smoking/non smoking places and pubs can either sign up to be one or the other, we'll see which have the most customers and the best atmosphere.

You can have all the shiny bars in town and I'll have the nice little pubs please :)

Leave the choice up to the customer!

Can't believe that DUBLIN of all places has become a non-smoking area. Admittedly I am a smoker, but I can't believe that this is the way to solve the problem - whilst the literature is not definitive on the issue of passive smoking, I agree that we should err on the sideof caution, but surely the issue is one of individual choice...

And Dublin (you can quote me on this) will be cack without fags.

I don't get it. Everyone's up in arms about passive smoking yet no one seems to worry about all the exhaust fumes most of us are forced to inhale on a daily basis.

Pubs and restaurants should have to install efficient air-scrubbers; not only to counter passive smoking but also to eliminate the risks of infection that reach very high levels in moist warm atmospheres.

A recent report shows that nose, throat and chest infections have risen dramatically amongst airline passengers since smoking was banned on aircraft. The reason is because the airlines have seen an opportunity to reduce costs by using less efficient air-scrubbers (if no one is smoking you can't see that the air is dirty) and not taking in fresh air which has to be expensively heated up to cabin temperature.

And if everyone did stop smoking where would Gordon Brown get the income from to compensate for all that lost excise duty ? I'd suggest he should double the duty on booze sold in smoke-free pubs :razz:

Originally posted by Greybeard
I don't get it. Everyone's up in arms about passive smoking yet no one seems to worry about all the exhaust fumes most of us are forced to inhale on a daily basis.
That's a bit like saying why bother curing mumps, measles is a lot bigger killer, don't you think?

The problems associated with exhaust fumes are also being addressed.

Ibeleive we should take a leaf out of new york and go for a complete ban
People who smoke are totally selfish and need re educating,the only reason this continues is entirley due to revenue,nothing else the goverment have abdicated their responsibilty to the people of this country on the altar of money.
They should be ashamed of themselves?

The only fair thing to do is have a room for both. i think that there have been many "snobbish" remarks, a thoroughly unpleasant business well so is walking past a butchers for me and seeing a dead animal hangin in the window for all to see but they aint gonna change that are they? I think all restaraunt areas should be non smoking tho, there really arent many ppl that smoke during a meal. why dont they just put the smokin bit in the bar bit of the restaraunt? I think classic rock has got it down to a T.

Originally posted by mimicraze
so is walking past a butchers for me and seeing a dead animal hangin in the window for all to see but they aint gonna change that are they? I think all restaraunt areas should be non smoking tho, there really arent many ppl that smoke during a meal. why dont they just put the smokin bit in the bar bit of the restaraunt? I think classic rock has got it down to a T.


The difference being that looking into a butchers window does not fill your lungs with smoke/tar/nicotine, nor does it bring on an asthma attack requiring hospital treatment. Not the same at all.