MsB's cellar is currently awash with approximately 7 inches of water. It has been there a while now and the whole scene was beginning to resemble a scene from 'Titanic' with various household items floating about.

The water has been tested and (apparently) does not come from Yorkshire water (no chlorine trace) or from a leaky sewer or drain (no potassium or ammonia traces).

I am reliably informed by the other residents nearby that we are situated on or near a natural underground spring and that the cellars flood regularly.

The trouble is - not knowing this when I bought the house I had a freezer, fridge, tumble dryer and all manner of other items down there.

Yesterday was spent bringing out all the sodden items and putting them to dry on the patio. The defrosted food in the freezer has been thrown and now we just need to get the freezer out and see if it is still working - it is only a year since I got it.

My ex-hub used a friends pump to get the water out of a garden pond recently, but on looking at the amount of water in my cellar, told me that it would simply not be up to the job.

So where can I get a pump from and what should I do to try and ensure that this is manageable in the future? It seems we can do nothing about natural water and I am not even sure if I can make an insurance claim on it.

By the way - have had the jokes about bottling and selling it thanks, lol....:rolleyes:

We used to live in Springvale Road (the clue is in the name) and our cellar flooded all the time, there is nothing you can realy do about it unless you line your entire cellar with concrete. We had a false floor system that raised the floor about 10 inches above the real cellar floor, that worked ok most of the time.

Have had that 'floor raising' thing suggested Nick. Trouble is the cellar ceiling is already very low so I'm not sure that could be an option.

But doesn't the fact that the foundations of the house are standing in water for a fair amount of time threaten the building at all??? Can't be good surely?

MsB, sorry to hear of your plight. Although I have no solution to it I would suggest you contact a civil engineering suppliers for a pump. There are a number in the Attercliffe area. I wish you luck.

well you could take the more positive approach.

a bit deeper you could open a swimming pool and make some money over the summer!

Originally posted by msbehavin
But doesn't the fact that the foundations of the house are standing in water for a fair amount of time threaten the building at all??? Can't be good surely?

If the foundations are deep enough I think it will be OK, our house was over 50 years old and it didn't seem to be suffering any ill effects. I think if the house was built knowing about the flooding then they will have taken that into account.

I would think that your house insurance will cover you for the damage. Certainly worth checking anyway, as the worst they can say is "no it doesn't".

I suppose you could dig the floor out a bit deeper and then use a false floor, but that probably wouldn't work, as the water level wouldn't be altered by lowering the floor.
It should be possible to seal it, but probably quite difficult/expensive.

Thanks for all the advice so far guys - and I forgot to mention - have had the 'swimming pool' suggestions before now too!!:hihi:

Originally posted by nick2
We used to live in Springvale Road (the clue is in the name) and our cellar flooded all the time, there is nothing you can realy do about it unless you line your entire cellar with concrete.

That same spring runs under our business premises on Barber Road. When we've had a lot of rain it comes up through our cellar. It's incredibly clear water. I wonder where it goes from here?

Originally posted by Ousetunes
That same spring runs under our business premises on Barber Road. When we've had a lot of rain it comes up through our cellar. It's incredibly clear water. I wonder where it goes from here?

There is a lot of water involved, and it can only be the rain that falls on Crookes, I wonder if it ever was an actual river/stream ?

Google, here I come.

Originally posted by Ousetunes
That same spring runs under our business premises on Barber Road. When we've had a lot of rain it comes up through our cellar. It's incredibly clear water. I wonder where it goes from here?


Mine was clear too - I think that's how I kinda knew, before the tests, that it didn't come from any pipes and that it was the 'spring water' theory.

It doesn't tie in with the rain cycle though. Sometimes it has rained heavily and there is no water in the cellar, then other times there is water even after a spell of good weather. It is so puzzling!:loopy:

Originally posted by msbehavin
It doesn't tie in with the rain cycle though. Sometimes it has rained heavily and there is no water in the cellar, then other times there is water even after a spell of good weather. It is so puzzling!:loopy:
It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Sheaf is sluiced could it?

Originally posted by msbehavin
Mine was clear too - I think that's how I kinda knew, before the tests, that it didn't come from any pipes and that it was the 'spring water' theory.

It doesn't tie in with the rain cycle though. Sometimes it has rained heavily and there is no water in the cellar, then other times there is water even after a spell of good weather. It is so puzzling!:loopy:

there can be quite a lag between ground water levels and rain. plus it could rain away from your house, so you don't see it, but it still affects the local levels of water.

Originally posted by Cyclone
there can be quite a lag between ground water levels and rain. plus it could rain away from your house, so you don't see it, but it still affects the local levels of water.

I should have taken more notice in Geography lessons at school!!

Originally posted by nick2
There is a lot of water involved, and it can only be the rain that falls on Crookes, I wonder if it ever was an actual river/stream ?

Google, here I come.

Found this, interesting, but not what I'm looking for.

http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/personal/cs1ma/flood/flood.html

Get some local kids down there with buckets, cheapest labour around.

Funny you should say that about getting kids to help...

The defrosted freezer had been shut for days and the smell from the water in there was enough to make you :gag:

Yours truly was the only one who would go down there. Smallest child sat watching tv. Eldest child stood at top of cellar steps and took things into garden.

Resident adopted forummer (who turned up Friday morning and as far as I know is STILL there today) :rolleyes: couldn't do much even with jumper held over nose and kept having to dash outside making retching noises...(lightweight)

Cannot see myself getting ANYONE (or thing) to go down there due to the stink from this water.

It is so bad it made my eyes sting!

Originally posted by Cyclone
there can be quite a lag between ground water levels and rain. plus it could rain away from your house, so you don't see it, but it still affects the local levels of water.

That was my first thought.

Concete has been suggested, unfortunately it is porous.

Digging a deeper is a massive job and could seriously weaken the foundations.

The brickwork should be fine and finding out about flood damage sounds like a good idea.

As for combatting the problem, you will have your hands full.

Water is persistant stuff :(

Originally posted by venger
That was my first thought.

Concete has been suggested, unfortunately it is porous.

Digging a deeper is a massive job and could seriously weaken the foundations.

The brickwork should be fine and finding out about flood damage sounds like a good idea.

As for combatting the problem, you will have your hands full.

Water is persistant stuff :(

I should have just provided a bucket to everyone on Friday instead of a glass! Next time!!!:heyhey:

hi msb,didnt the surveyor mention it when you first bought the house,presuming you had a survey done, meybe there could be recompence from them, just a thought..

Originally posted by depoix
hi msb,didnt the surveyor mention it when you first bought the house,presuming you had a survey done, meybe there could be recompence from them, just a thought..

Oh dear!!!

I was living in Spain at the time - was trying to get old house sold and new one bought from over there. My buyer was taking ages and dragging her feet. In the end I was so glad to get a house that guess what!! Didn't bother having a survey done.

Would it have shown up on searches though?? Did have those done!

(PS - was dreading someone mentioning the 'survey' thing, lol)

Originally posted by msbehavin
Oh dear!!!

I was living in Spain at the time - was trying to get old house sold and new one bought from over there. My buyer was taking ages and dragging her feet. In the end I was so glad to get a house that guess what!! Didn't bother having a survey done.

Would it have shown up on searches though?? Did have those done!

(PS - was dreading someone mentioning the 'survey' thing, lol)


Oh you silly girl...I have a vax if any good...better than a bucket!!

:thumbsup:

I may have this completely wrong......but...could you have a pump installed permenantly on the back of your house and feed a tube down to the foot of the cellar?

Instead of raising the floor, you could just have it resurfaced so that there is a small slope towards wherever the tube appears?

Alternatively, could you fit a drain and connect the pipe from it to the main drain of your house?

N

Originally posted by liencam
I may have this completely wrong......but...could you have a pump installed permenantly on the back of your house and feed a tube down to the foot of the cellar?

Instead of raising the floor, you could just have it resurfaced so that there is a small slope towards wherever the tube appears?

Alternatively, could you fit a drain and connect the pipe from it to the main drain of your house?


N

The easier solution to that would be to dig a sump hole on the lowest edge or corner of the room to run a pump from.

I would not to guestimate how much a good enough pump would cost though :(

Originally posted by venger
The easier solution to that would be to dig a sump hole on the lowest edge or corner of the room to run a pump from.

I would not to guestimate how much a good enough pump would cost though :(

Is that different from my suggestion?!

;) :confused:

Originally posted by liencam
Is that different from my suggestion?!

;) :confused:

Cheaper and easier using the same type of method.

Rather than breaking in to drainage systems and resurfacing floors.

That was all :(

Wasn't being rude, just curious! :thumbsup:

I have a cellar and would love to do something with it, but know of the problems they pose etc.....

Tanking of a cellar is not an easy job but if anyone is thinking of having it converted I can recommend a very good company called Cellseal. They have nearly finished my cellar conversion into an extra bedroom and bathroom which will undoubtedly add more to the value of the house than it costs to undertake.

Approximate costs for a three roomed cellar in a terraced house is around £9,500 per room but this is including all fixtures and fittings, flooring etc. So in the scheme of things not bad.

Timescale approximately 12 weeks. And you dont need planning permission as it is just using the space which is currently provided in your home.

they have a website which isnt all that up to date as they are sooooo busy doing loads of conversions.

If anyone wants contact names and telephone numbers I can provide them.

:clap:

Hey Msb with the growing trend for creatures in your house...ie., lovebirds, dogs and geckos why not make a feature of it and purchase some Koi Carp etc

If the water is fresh spring water I am sure they will be happy down there....maybe you could also consider some frogs...even a couple of ducks for the residental pond...:thumbsup:

Just a thought..:P

Originally posted by technophobe
Tanking of a cellar is not an easy job but if anyone is thinking of having it converted I can recommend a very good company called Cellseal. They have nearly finished my cellar conversion into an extra bedroom and bathroom which will undoubtedly add more to the value of the house than it costs to undertake.


Cellseal look gooood!!!

Cheers Technophobe!

Originally posted by technophobe
Tanking of a cellar is not an easy job but if anyone is thinking of having it converted I can recommend a very good company called Cellseal. They have nearly finished my cellar conversion into an extra bedroom and bathroom which will undoubtedly add more to the value of the house than it costs to undertake.


Do they do dungeons ?

(I'm asking for a friend)

Oh dear.
I used to have this problem too. But now I have a huge pump which can empty 7000litres an hour. You can borrow it if you want. I just went around but your car isn't there..

The problem with trying to pump the water out (if you are in a terrace) is that you'll be pumping form the neighbouring properties too :(

It'll take an age - unless everybody does the same

edit: (sorry muddy, simultaneous posting - not a response to your industrial size lake emptier :thumbsup: )

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Oh dear.
I used to have this problem too. But now I have a huge pump which can empty 7000litres an hour. You can borrow it if you want. I just went around but your car isn't there..

My HERO!!! :love:

I willbe home around 6pm if you are about! Let me know! Cheers mate!:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Strix
The problem with trying to pump the water out (if you are in a terrace) is that you'll be pumping form the neighbouring properties too :(

It'll take an age - unless everybody does the same
not neccesarily, in this area of woodseats there are loads of natural springs coming down from graves park. It is quite common for one house to have a river running through their cellar and all the adjacent ones to be dry. I have lived on 2 roads at either side of chesterfield road and have found the same thing at both sides.

I also had environmental health around about 9 years ago and they confirmed it was just spring water.

Some of the houses further up the hill have false floors and channels to let the water run through. My mate bought one and messed it up by concreting up in the cellar, and he got damp, mould and a big bill for putting it back to how it was before.

Oh good! :thumbsup:
(Shame about your mate's place. Is that why you have a big pump?)

I got the pump because I used to find 3-4 inches in my cellar after heavy rain sometimes. But for the last 2 years it's been much drier. I think it's been better since they did some work on culverting a nearby brook and improving the drainage. Although it could have been down to just lighter rainfall.

My mate was one of these impatient people who try to do everything all at once, and as a consequence the whole house was stripped down to just brick on the inside. It was a right mess. He nearly went bankrupt and finished up having to sell up. He has since got hitched [again [3rd time lucky!]?] and lives in a strange mysterious land in the north, called Grenoside. And we don't see him around here any more because he thinks he's too posh!

so are you in around 6pm my dear???:D

We used stay in a holiday cottage with a similar problem, - infrequent and unexpected flooding in the cellar from ground water. The owner eventually had a sump sunk in the cellar and installed a submersible pump controlled by a float valve, I imagine this might be a lot cheaper and probably safer than sealing tha cellar. The drain hose from the pump was taken through a wall to an outside downfall grate.

Certainly worth claiming on the contents insurance and also asking them about solutions to the problem, they're usually quite helpful in this respect. You obviously wouldn't keep stuff in the cellar if you had an inkling it might be subject to flooding.

Have you thought about changing your forum name to Calamity Jane ?? ;)

I've been in various cellars with this problem over the years and would suggest one possible solution to keeping things dry would be to build some brick columns and then board over them so freezers and the like are safely supported above the flood levels.
A sump pump which kicks in automatically is also a good idea though they can be rather noisy especially if they decide to start up at 3 AM. I didn't so much jump out of bed but rather bounced off the bedroom ceiling, I thought the house was falling down.

Originally posted by nick2
Do they do dungeons ?

(I'm asking for a friend)

LOL!!! Nice one! :D

Originally posted by WallBuilder
I've been in various cellars with this problem over the years and would suggest one possible solution to keeping things dry would be to build some brick columns and then board over them so freezers and the like are safely supported above the flood levels.
A sump pump which kicks in automatically is also a good idea though they can be rather noisy especially if they decide to start up at 3 AM. I didn't so much jump out of bed but rather bounced off the bedroom ceiling, I thought the house was falling down.

Picked up the pump from Muddycoffee yesterday evening and willbe attempting to use that this afternoon once I get home from work.

Will keep you posted!

I suggest you put Danzel's 'Pump It Up' on your CD player whilst performing the task. If you don't have it, here are the lyrics you can sing to

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up …(repeat many times)

It's not so long ago,
That the sound hit the Nation.
Every Saturday night,
On your favourite Radio.

And the Party's jumpin', Yeah
And the vibe feels so strong.
Throw your hands in the air,
Lift your head up high,
You know you got to sing along.

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,

It's not so long ago,
That the sound hit the Nation.
Every Saturday night,
On your favourite Radio.

And the Party's jumpin', Yeah
And the vibe feels so strong.
Throw your hands in the air,
Lift your head up high,
You know you got to sing along.

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up…

Got the feeling,
What’s the name of the jam
Say I can feel it,
You know you can
I’ve got my groove on
and I’m ready to go
Check out my right girl,
But don’t touch my radio

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up…

And make me feel good
feel so good
And make me feel good
feel so good
feel so good
and what's the name of the jam
Say I can feel it,
You know you can
I’ve got my groove on
and I’m ready to go
Check out my right girl,
But don’t touch my radio

Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up,
Don't you know, pump it up,
You got to pump it up…

Firstly, you can hire pumps from people like HSS at Heeley Bridge. We're up near the Honda garage in Woodseats and occasionally get about 1 inch of water under really heavy load. One of the local old chaps says he thinks the stream that runs under the Honda garage, then down a gulley past the Hurts Engineering bilding and behind the Big Tree - presumably thence along the bottom of the valley into town, needs gulleying properly. Was done years ago but is now in disrepair. That was his theory for a locally rising water table.

Many of the streets have a stream running under them. Brooklyn Road in Heeley for example. You can hear them if you stand by the manhole vents in the middle of road (watch for traffic though...). In fact you can hear the one near me through a vent in Bromwich Road. It's probable these are a bit silted now too, and run lower volumes of runoff than in former years. I'd imagine in the olden days the place was rather Peak District-like, with rivulets running down the hillsides and rivers in the valley bottoms.

Short of making the Council or waterways bods sort out the streams so water doesn't back up into the cellars, you can have your cellar tanked. I think there are several specialists in Sheffield that do this. Might even be able to get the insurance to pay for this. Twould be messy, but you'd get a dry cellar.

Originally posted by nick2
Do they do dungeons ?

(I'm asking for a friend)

They will do anything you want... although Iam sure a dungeon will be a first for them.

Will he be having a dungeon party?????

;)

pump for sale......................offers?????

already got one - and FREE!!! :clap:

I hope you make Muddycoffee a really big rhubarb crumble to say thanks for the loan of the pump. If of course by any chance he doesn't like rhubarb crumble never mind ,I do.

I think that Wallbuilder deserves the rhubarb crumble. Due to the extra dog walking duties he has had to do because of the forum being absent for 16 hours.

"We feel your pain" - Wallbuilder

Originally posted by WallBuilder
I hope you make Muddycoffee a really big rhubarb crumble to say thanks for the loan of the pump. If of course by any chance he doesn't like rhubarb crumble never mind ,I do.

I don't think that a rhubarb crumble made my Msb would do anything to enhance Muddycoffee's day (let alone his digestion). I was thinking more along the lines of a pint myself in grateful recognition.

Having said that - I haven't actually used the pump yet. Keep kinda putting it off as the water is so dank and smelly. Better bite the bullet and get it done this weekend before a new poll appears entitled

'What's that strange smell at Woodseats...?':gag:

Did this problem start when Muddy "re-diverted the culvert and worked on drainage"?
Have you tried a few drops of Zoflora in your water to improve the smell?

oh, yeah, I'm sure that'll help calm the lady down, reading about a catastrophic flood! (tongue firmly in cheek...)

You've got the pump and don't want to use it as you may get a bit dirty or smelly.
The answer is simple look slightly helpless, batt your eyelashes and the owner of the pump will leap to your assistance if only to prove us men can do anything.

msbehavin,

I have had flooded basements before. Sump pumps are great. They work well at removing sewer backflow from the basement floor after heavy rain and perhaps the only way of dealing with such events. However, they're only a stop gap measure when dealing with clear water flooding. The water has to be coming in from somewhere.

1. Do you have proper drainage from your roof? (ie, clogged gutters, etc? If yes, clean them out and see if the problem persists)
2. Have you checked for cracks in your basement walls or floor? (Try silicon sealant)
3. If so, are the cracks near the top of the basement wall?
4. Is the soil near the foundation damp about 6 inches below the surface several days after it rains?
5. Does the ground slope down towards the house?
6. Have you had standing water near your foundation on the outside of your house for any long period of time?
7. If you answered yes to most or all of questions 3-6 you may need to have a landscaper rig some sort of drainage away from the foundation. (ie, moisture barrier, gravel, plastic tubing, etc...)

Best advice-- Have a professional come in and look at it to find out why this is happening and then get a few estimates for the repair.

Chicago,

much of what you say doesnt apply to our area, because we live in houses which are 100+ years old, and they sit in damp cellars which were designed like that, before damp proof courses were ever thought about. And the area is riddled with hundreds of natural springs, which flow through people's cellars all the time. Guess what, they don't have much of what you would call foundations either.
And cracks, they are built of stone and bricks with more cracks in than the grand canyon. You couldn't possible fill them.

The latest update is that MsB and A.N.Other from the Forum spent a considerable amount of time yesterday with Muddy's pump. I LOVE that pump and intend getting one as soon as Netto/Aldi get them in again.

Msb (in green wellies) waded through the water, submersed said pump in deepest bit, plugged in (never liked mixing electric and water myelf, but needs must and all that...) and off it went, gurgling and burping to it's hearts content.

A hosepipe 'borrowed' from Forummer's parents (who are actually away in sunnier climes and did not have option of refusing) was led from the pump, up through the grate in the passage and out into the street. It took a good couple of hours but the water is now nearly all gone.

The next thing I have to prepare myself for (mentally and physically) is the stagnant water inthe freezer. I did try opening the lid and draining it out but the smell soon stopped me!

Could put pump in there and let water go into street but think Sheff Council may get a few concerned phone calls re strange smell of rotting prawns in Woodseats.

****NEWSFLASH****MAJOR TWIST IN CELLAR SAGA*********

Now then, now then. For anyone who is interested (so stop reading HERE if you aren't..) there has been a considerably major development in the saga of Msb's flooded cellar.

It's been a bit of a trauma to be honest, the cellar constantly filling with water, damaging everything that was originally down there, knackering the (new) chest feezer and generally making Msb's already stressful life that little bit more stressful.

BUT! Msb, being the positive, upbeat individual that she is decided NO! I am not going to let this cellar water get me down. I will rise above it, pardon the pun.

So - with the loan of a submersible pump from the delightful Muddycoffee and a strategic hosepipe leading up through the grate near the coal drop and along the passage in to the garden Msb then had (has) a constant supply of crystal clear water to water her newly laid turf and regularly hose down the patio. On discovering that Elderly Neighbour next door is on a water meter she then also does EN's garden and vast array of bedding plants on a regular basis.

Into this tranquil scene this week steps Man From Yorkshire Water (MFYW) who had called last week when Msb was out and left a card saying he wanted 'entry to your premises' oooooer missus. Apparently there had been 'a burst on your supply'. Has there indeed...

So MFYW came yesterday, fiddled with Msb's stop cock (will leave that joke alone) and then announced that water in cellar was from burst in supply. Kerrrrching!!!! Msb smiles graciously at MFYW and asks if this is adding to her bill. No he says. Then he says (and this is the bit Msb likes best) - you better get a claim sorted for any damage done to your property, goods or chattels. Msb tries not to look too pleased and waves MFYW on his merry way. Celebrates by having a glass of wine overlooking greenest lawn in Woodseats and thinking how many plasma screen televisions she could get away with having kept in a cellar....

and dont forget that freezer was full of fillet steak and salmon.

Didnt you have some expensive gym equipment down there too?

And check out their charter on their website - if they failed to come and see you and didn't appear to fiddle with your stopcock when they promised. You can claim some dosh...

*plans new kitchen and holiday to Fiji..*

***UPDATE***

Two more men from Yorkshire Water are meddling in my passage AS WE SPEAK.

MsB's cellar is once again awash with 6-7 inches of crystal clear water and neighbour has contacted YW for 4th time.

Seems there is (shock, horror, probe :rolleyes: ) a 'burst on the supply' (you don't say?) and here they are (again) to fix it. Their tarmacking (sic) leaves a lot to be desired and their customer skills even more so.

Dogs are going mad in kitchen at knowing there is A Man in the house and YW man has just bobbed down (no pun intended) cellar to wade through and see where the 'leak' is.

Got drilling at back of house from roadworks on Woodseats, 2 mad terriers baying for blood in kitchen, surly YW man traipsing up and down between flooded cellar and passage and the distinct taste of lavender oil in my mouth making me feel generally queasy and off colour.

What time do the pubs shut??? :help: :mad: :gag:

[E]

the lavender oil is starting to affect my brain

Originally posted by msbehavin
***UPDATE***

Two more men from Yorkshire Water are meddling in my passage AS WE SPEAK.

MsB's cellar is once again awash with 6-7 inches of crystal clear water and neighbour has contacted YW for 4th time.

Seems there is (shock, horror, probe :rolleyes: ) a 'burst on the supply' (you don't say?) and here they are (again) to fix up. Their tarmackink (sic) leaves a lot to be desired and their customer skills even more so.

Dogs are going mad in kitchen at knowing there is A Man in the house and YW man has just bobbed down (no pun intended) cellar to wade through and see where the 'leak' is.

Got drilling at back from roadworks on Woodseats, 2 mad terriers baying for blood in kitchen, surly YW man traipsing up and down between flooded cellar and passage and the distinct taste of lavender oil in my mouth making me feel generally queasy and off colour.

What time do the pubs shut??? :help: :mad: :gag:

You wanna take a leaf out of my afternoon activities....

:D

Originally posted by liencam
You wanna take a leaf out of my afternoon activities....

:D

I wanna go to the pub!!! *stamps foot petulantly*:mad:

Originally posted by msbehavin
I wanna go to the pub!!! *stamps foot petulantly*:mad:

Tell you what, I'll stop in on my way home and have one for you.

It's the thought that counts, etc...

This gets worse! There are THREE men out there now. There are three holes, three piles of rubble and still they seem unable to locate the PIPE let alone where the leak is.

I have supplied three hot drinks and closed the door on them. They can meddle in my passage as long as is necessary as long as they find that leaking pipe.

At what time in the afternoon is it deemed socially acceptable for a woman to be sat alone in a pub drinking large brandies?:(

Originally posted by msbehavin
This gets worse! There are THREE men out there now. There are three holes, three piles of rubble and still they seem unable to locate the PIPE let alone where the leak is.

I have supplied three hot drinks and closed the door on them. They can meddle in my passage as long as is necessary as long as they find that leaking pipe.

At what time in the afternoon is it deemed socially acceptable for a woman to be sat alone in a pub drinking large brandies?:(

You make it to the pub then?

I did.

:hihi:

Originally posted by msbehavin
They can meddle in my passage as long as is necessary as long as they find that leaking pipe.

OOer Missus! :)
-- I'll get me coat.....

I realise no one may be looking at this thread now, but I will hope for the best...

I am a PhD student at the University of Sheffield, trying to trace "lost rivers" of Sheffield. I'd really like to hear about anything and everything related to this - flooded basements, springs in gardens etc. I have a lot of information on historic streams and springs that I could share with you. In turn, I want to identify their location, and arrange access to do chemical analysis (to trace if they are entering the sewer system and increasing our water bills).

I know a lot of stories from the Sheffield Forum community regarding these issues - it may be that with enough interest I could visit some sites or arrange a meeting at the university to give a presentation, and to find out more from you all.

I hope that tickles some interest, and I really look forward to hearing from you. I may also follow up with a few PMs to those that have commented specifically in this thread.

There was another thread about this only a short time ago, someone was having problems with a spring in Springvale Road, Crookes.

Edit: Ah, OK, I see you've found that one as well. Er, no pun intended.

Thanks yes I found that one. I'm hoping that a few people on these older posts might pick up these messages, so I do apologise for canvassing all relevant threads!