Does anybody else get really annoyed with people who cannot be bothered to park their car properly?

I have this problem at the end of my road where someone insists on parking their Luton Van. It's right in the middle of the T junction and causes a nightmare for other drivers trying to get around it.

Are there any laws forbidding parking at junctions??

Treat yourself to a copy of the highway code, I think you will find answer within.

yes there are, don't you remember your highway code?

if you drive yourself surely you should know the answer to this question and if you dont know the answer maybe you are one of these people who are parking in stupid places too:heyhey: :heyhey:

if you dont drive then a copy of the highwaycode will tell you all the rules:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

My question was aimed at the person responsible for parking their van there. Of course I know there are laws against it otherwise I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place!!

So, If it contravenes the information in The Highway Code then report the person

Originally posted by benclements2
My question was aimed at the person responsible for parking their van there. Of course I know there are laws against it otherwise I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place!!

so it was a retorical question?..:suspect:

i agree with boppinbruce, report this person if it is against highway code

I believe that the rule is thatyou are not allowed to park within 10m of a junction- thats why the white lines run so far up each road in the middle.

Originally posted by benclements2
My question was aimed at the person responsible for parking their van there. Of course I know there are laws against it otherwise I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place!!

asking rhetorical questions doesn't work very well on a forum.
And if it was aimed at the driver, then you've put it in the wrong place unless you believe he's a poster on here.

Although I don't drive it does annoy me when people can't be arsed to find a parking space at meadowhall so they just abandon their cars on the bits marked with stripey lines, which I assume means "don't park here you twonk".

I'd clamp the lot of 'em.

Originally posted by Cyclone
asking rhetorical questions doesn't work very well on a forum.


Off thread, sorry mod, but I disagree. "Eats, shoots and leaves" suggests using an upside down question mark to denote a rhetorical question, which seems like a good idea, but I don't appear to have one of these on my keyboard.

Originally posted by nick2
Although I don't drive it does annoy me when people can't be arsed to find a parking space at meadowhall so they just abandon their cars on the bits marked with stripey lines, which I assume means "don't park here you twonk".

I'd clamp the lot of 'em.

That's funny, I've just come back from there and noticed the same thing. You'll also notice that most the cars are Mercs, Beamers, Audis and such like - the "I've got money so I can do what I like" brigade.:rant:

Originally posted by Sara
Off thread, sorry mod, but I disagree. "Eats, shoots and leaves" suggests using an upside down question mark to denote a rhetorical question, which seems like a good idea, but I don't appear to have one of these on my keyboard.

if you like, but if no one else understands your upside down doohicky, it won't work. I'm far from a newbie, and i've never heard or seen that use before (or if i've seen it i've not understood it).

Asking a rhetorical question clearly didn't work in this case anyway, as several people answered it.

Originally posted by Sara
Off thread, sorry mod, but I disagree. "Eats, shoots and leaves" suggests using an upside down question mark to denote a rhetorical question, which seems like a good idea, but I don't appear to have one of these on my keyboard.
if you read his post though it looks like he is genuinly asking a question and we answered, why bother posting a question if you already know the answer?
a lot of people on this forum post topics asking for advice and this looked like another one of those.. so i agree with cyclone on this one!

Well what a lovely welcome !!

Speaking from experience, when you're a newbie, it's quite nervewracking posting a thread so does it really matter if it was a rhetorical question?

Perhaps benclements2 just wanted to discuss it and get others opinions so to basically be told to ' go away and look it up ' isn't much help.

I hope that IF and when I get to 3000+ posts I'll still be able to be polite to oldies, newbies, someone who just pops on to ask a question and not shoot them down in flames. :rant:

So in answer to your (rhetorical) question - yes I do get fed up with inconsiderate parking, it happens outside our house on a daily basis.

Rant over :thumbsup:

I guess that's pointed at me with 3000+ postings. You'll notice if you bother to read my post again, that

a) I answered the question,
b) I made a joke about remembering

I didn't say anything about going and looking it up.

Originally posted by benclements2
Does anybody else get really annoyed with people who cannot be bothered to park their car properly?

I have this problem at the end of my road where someone insists on parking their Luton Van. It's right in the middle of the T junction and causes a nightmare for other drivers trying to get around it.

Are there any laws forbidding parking at junctions??

If it is causing a obstruction then I would report it to the police...why wait for an accident to happen...!

Our neighbours constantly parks their car opposite our drive but outside their house...It makes it incredibly difficult to reverse off our drive without backing straight into it...so WE have to reverse car back and forth several times with full lock on to eventually get out and be able to drive off...annoying thing is they have a drive as well but don't use it.. :huh:

To be fair it did sound like a genuin question and agree that rather than people just saying "well you should know the answer if you're a driver", give em the answer if you know.

I must admit I'm a driver, but I don't know every bloody rule in the Highway code anymore and I didn't when I took my test.
We're all human and make mistakes and we don't all know everything... so perhaps certain people on here need to establish a little more empathy with others in need of assistance for a change.

If people had more empathy for others then they wouldn't park in bloody stupid places as they would realise that they are creating a hazard for other road users

Originally posted by DaBouncer
To be fair it did sound like a genuin question and agree that rather than people just saying "well you should know the answer if you're a driver", give em the answer if you know.


i am assuming this is directed at me since i said if you are a driver then you should know... if you read my post i was making light of it. i also agreed with boppinbruce about reporting it..

Originally posted by savbaby
i am assuming this is directed at me since i said if you are a driver then you should know... if you read my post i was making light of it. i also agreed with boppinbruce about reporting it..
Actually it was a more wide open comment rather than a direct at one individual mate.
Your comment was just the one I happen to remember that's all ;)

Sara have you ever heard the expression "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? Are you such a perfect driver and parker that you never make a mistake or do you know every rule in the highway code?
I'd bet good money the answer to that is no :roll:

Probably not, but I do try to be a polite driver and if I were routinely breaking the rules I would appreciate someone telling me. Forget about stupid parking, its stopping in yellow boxes when not turning right and the road obviously isn't clear that really bugs me:P

and I don't park on double yellow lines with my hazzards on either!

Originally posted by Sara
Probably not, but I do try to be a polite driver and if I were routinely breaking the rules I would appreciate someone telling me. Forget about stupid parking, its stopping in yellow boxes when not turning right and the road obviously isn't clear that really bugs me:P
I'm with you on that one!
Happens a lot on Abbeydale Road at the junction just down from the old cinema when I'm on my way home from work.

Aaaah, so we just had to find your bugbear to establish that you are capable of having less empathy than you would advocate for others. Hmmm...

Originally posted by Sara
Aaaah, so we just had to find your bugbear to establish that you are capable of having less empathy than you would advocate for others. Hmmm...
Not really, because it bugs me doesn't mean I get out of my car to tell people it's bugging me does it?
Having emapthy for a new member of the forum asking a legitimate question only to be told to go and read his highway code has no bearing on whether or not people stopping in a box junction bugs me or not.

I think stopping within a box junction is one of those more obvious rules a driver knows they're breaking when they do it. Like parking on double yellow lines. How close you can park to a T junction I'd personally say is not so obvious.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Not really, because it bugs me doesn't mean I get out of my car to tell people it's bugging me does it?
Having emapthy for a new member of the forum asking a legitimate question only to be told to go and read his highway code has no bearing on whether or not people stopping in a box junction bugs me or not.

I think stopping within a box junction is one of those more obvious rules a driver knows they're breaking when they do it. Like parking on double yellow lines. How close you can park to a T junction I'd personally say is not so obvious.

to be fair it's one of the more obvious rules and one that every driver should know. You should know not to park too close to junctions, not to stop in chevroned areas and other basics like that, or you really shouldn't be driving.

Originally posted by Cyclone
to be fair it's one of the more obvious rules and one that every driver should know. You should know not to park too close to junctions, not to stop in chevroned areas and other basics like that, or you really shouldn't be driving.
:clap: Yippee, sense! It really disturbs me that there are a lot of people driving a ton of metal around that I wouldn't trust to walk my dog.

Originally posted by Cyclone
to be fair it's one of the more obvious rules and one that every driver should know. You should know not to park too close to junctions, not to stop in chevroned areas and other basics like that, or you really shouldn't be driving.
Well that's your opinion which I personally don't agree with.
I didn't the actual distance you have to leave from a junction before you can park.

I'll be honest I forgot although common sense really should kick in where ever you park.
Whether you feel I should be driving for not knowing the distance again is just your opinion, and one quite frankly I couldn't give a toss about. You cyclone are just one of those people who comes across on here as trying to have that oneupmanship attitude on a very frequent basis.
Your post on here to me read a little too smug and to act this qay to a newbie to the site is quite daunting and not really what sheffield forum is all about.

You may have answered in part his question that yes there are rules not laws... rules against psrking close to a junction but when you stated "don't you remember your highway code?, I just thought you were being a smug and quite arrogant nob. However this is the attitude I have come to expect from you which really is quite sad for such an active member.

Take my comments on board or don't... retort or don't... I really couldn't give a monkeys!

Oooh, sanctimonious and feisty:heyhey:

Originally posted by benclements2
Does anybody else get really annoyed with people who cannot be bothered to park their car properly?


People parking on double yellow lines, without displaying a disabled badge.
The local coppers just drive by and ignore them. So guess what, there are now PERMANANTLY around 10 cars parked nearby, both sides of the road, on the double yellow - making it dangerous by bus stop, traffic lights and junctions. Why is this allowed to happen?

Originally posted by fred_notdead
People parking on double yellow lines, without displaying a disabled badge.
The local coppers just drive by and ignore them. So guess what, there are now PERMANANTLY around 10 cars parked nearby, both sides of the road, on the double yellow - making it dangerous by bus stop, traffic lights and junctions. Why is this allowed to happen?
I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that this is now something the local council should be actioning rather than the police.
As far as I was aware this should have always been taken care of by Traffic Wardens (police employed) rather than traffic police officers.
However recently the legislation has changed and now this is a job for council employed traffic wardens (not the ones in yellow and black but the ones in the blue uniform).
If this is in an area not close enough to the city centre to have the council wardens patrolling then get in touch with the council and make them aware of the problem.

Take some digital pics of offenders so they can see it happening and demand they take action due to the safety of the public.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Well that's your opinion which I personally don't agree with.
I didn't the actual distance you have to leave from a junction before you can park.

I'll be honest I forgot although common sense really should kick in where ever you park.
Whether you feel I should be driving for not knowing the distance again is just your opinion, and one quite frankly I couldn't give a toss about. You cyclone are just one of those people who comes across on here as trying to have that oneupmanship attitude on a very frequent basis.
Your post on here to me read a little too smug and to act this qay to a newbie to the site is quite daunting and not really what sheffield forum is all about.

You may have answered in part his question that yes there are rules not laws... rules against psrking close to a junction but when you stated "don't you remember your highway code?, I just thought you were being a smug and quite arrogant nob. However this is the attitude I have come to expect from you which really is quite sad for such an active member.

Take my comments on board or don't... retort or don't... I really couldn't give a monkeys!

certainly got your knickers in a twist hasn't it.
I don't expect you to know the exact distance, just that there is one, as you say, common sense does the rest.
For someone who doesn't "give a toss" about my opinion you wrote quite a long post regarding it ;)
And i think you'll find that it's a rule which is enforced by law.

So in reply to the question, what should he do? and who shall he report it to?

the police on the non emergency number?

Originally posted by Cyclone
the police on the non emergency number?
I'd personally say the council, they're more likely to pay the guy a visit than the police coming out to do anything.

Take a photo of the offending vehicle and let the council see it.
However first point of call might be dropping an annonymous letter into the offending owners house or under his/her windscreen wiper pre-warning that they should rethink their parking strategy otherwise they'll be shopped.

Why involve ther authorities if it may not be required.

The highway code says:

DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop

1.near a school entrance
2.anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
3.at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
4.on the approach to a level crossing
5.opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
6.near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
7.opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
8.where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
9.where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
10.in front of an entrance to a property
11.on a bend.

EDITED Just read the thread again and realised someone has already answered the query.

Originally posted by saxon51
The highway code says:

DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop

1.near a school entrance
2.anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
3.at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
4.on the approach to a level crossing
5.opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
6.near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
7.opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
8.where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
9.where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
10.in front of an entrance to a property
11.on a bend.

EDITED Just read the thread again and realised someone has already answered the query.

Is this directly out of the highway code, as my neighbour had problems with someone parking over his drive and called the police who said that they couldn't do anything but that if they had mounted the pavement they would have been able to ticket them or have the car removed

Yes Sara, it is a 'copy and paste' from the Highway Code website.

The problem your neighbour had isn't very clearly defined though.

"10. in front of an entrance to a property" could be construed as factory gates or commercial property, or a long drive into a property where general public have access.

Don't know where people stand with regards drives which have been installed along side private houses. I know that if he/she was blocked in then 'obstruction' would have been involved, but I think that blocking someone off their drive is more to do with 'good practice' than the law.

I haven't been able to find a defining ruling on the parking across a neighbour's drive issue.

Originally posted by saxon51
Yes Sara, it is a 'copy and paste' from the Highway Code website.

The problem your neighbour had isn't very clearly defined though.

"10. in front of an entrance to a property" could be construed as factory gates or commercial property, or a long drive into a property where general public have access.

Don't know where people stand with regards drives which have been installed along side private houses. I know that if he/she was blocked in then 'obstruction' would have been involved, but I think that blocking someone off their drive is more to do with 'good practice' than the law.

I haven't been able to find a defining ruling on the parking across a neighbour's drive issue.

If the council have installed a drop kerb then they are blocking a right of access. According the sheffield council website they will have the obstruction towed away if you contact them.
Alternatively, fasten a rope to it and drag it into the middle of the road and out of your way. I'm sure the police will deal with it then.

Originally posted by benclements2
Does anybody else get really annoyed with people who cannot be bothered to park their car properly?

I have this problem at the end of my road where someone insists on parking their Luton Van. It's right in the middle of the T junction and causes a nightmare for other drivers trying to get around it.

Are there any laws forbidding parking at junctions??

A speak for all Bus Drivers here, please don't park at the bus stops!

Originally posted by EyeSpy
So in reply to the question, what should he do? and who shall he report it to?
The council deal with it now, found this on the website,

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/in-your-area/street-force/car-parking

Street Force Parking Services

Who we are and what we do
Parking Services is the part of Street Force that is responsible for controlling parking in Sheffield. This includes parking bays on the highway (when payment is needed), and in the Council's car parks.
From the 4th April 2005, the Council takes over the enforcement of parking regulations.
What was formally the job of the Police and their Traffic Wardens is now the Council’s responsibility.

How You Contact Street Force

When contacting us please help us to help you by providing as much detail as possible regarding your enquiry. Useful information such as name, address, location of fault/damage etc and a contact telephone number assist us to process your concerns efficiently.

There are a number of different ways that you can contact us, please see below.

1) By phone

Simply phone our Call Centre on (0114) 273 4567 between 8.00am and 6.00pm - Monday to Friday. At other times a recorded message will advise you how to contact our emergency services. For hard of hearing people we have a mini-com system the number is (0114) 273 5028.

2) By Fax

You can fax us on (0114) 273 6507

3) By Letter

You can write to:

Street Force
Olive Grove Depot
Olive Grove Road
Sheffield
S2 3GE

4) By e-mail

You can e-mail us at: streetforce@sheffield.gov.uk

We have a few dumb ass selfish drivers and we have contacted Mrs England who deals with such enquiries at Sheffield City Council. She kindly put me in touch with the traffic restrictions section who have responded by saying they will be looking into the situation in conjunction with the police in the late summer when resources become available.

I would prefer to have gone for a change in behaviour rather than engineer our way out of this situation. People that park on junctions should have their cars towed away, or is that too much like hard work for someone to park at least 10 metres further down the road !

For good examples of bad parking you don`t have to look very far, most roads have someone badly parked on them like very close to a junction etc.

The photo of the taxi's must have been taken on a quiet day. Normally it's alot worse than this with the drivers blocking at least 3 emergency exits and doing three point turns every where as well as being double parked, ignoring other motorists while they stand a talk.
The other day one of them almost wrote the front of my car off due to doing a stupid three point turn.
The traffic was backed up right back to sheaf street and beyond.Traffic became a one way flow because they were parked 3 deep. SOME ONE DO SOMETHING!!!!

and the ammount of litter is a joke they leave behind.

There's not much that can be done at the station, seeing as there's now no taxi rank comparable to the old one. The only other option is all the taxis blocking up the main road outside. I have to go in there most evenings and it's nothing short of mayhem. You can't get anywhere near the station to get your passenger, and end up having to park up on the pavement down that back street, or if you can't even do that you have to just drive round and round out and in to the station, in circuits. I've even noticed people now parking up in the roadworks on the main road now it's getting so bad there.

For anyone who needs it, there's an on-line copy of the Highway Code here:

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/

We've just had an incident, a neighbour of ours had a BBQ with over 50 guests, although I didn't know this at the time.
In the hour I was out of the house, the entire road was blocked with cars parked all the way up on either side, including our driveway.
I beeped and waited for someone to come out but no one arrived.
Finally, I called the police. After some time they were able to call the owner and ask him to move his car. I'd been sat waiting for someone to move so I could get my shopping out of the car and park on the drive.
Eventually the guy came out with bad grace complained about the road being public and ignored me when I pointed out that the drive is not public space.
So, if it happens to anyone, ring the police on 2202020 and give the reg number, if they can, they'll contact the driver, which is better than a big confrontation, no matter how tempting it is!

wot we need to remember regarding the station is:-
It's still under redevelopment!!!! this isn't the finished product.


HOWEVER, the taxi drivers 9yes I know they are only trying to earn a living!) make a bad situation a 1,000 times worse...they have a blatant disregard for other road users and pedestrians.This area really needs policing and fast before theres an major accident.

and as a post script how many black cabs do we need parked up at the station? If there's at least 50 parked up (as from my vantage point i see is very often) then maybe there are far too many!!!!

As someone who's down there all the time I'm terrified by some of the cab drivers and how they belt around, but it's not just them, I've seen many a private car going the wrong way down the little back street, realise too late that it's one way and then hurtle their car round angrily in the middle of the road while people are trying to get into the street. There's a few oblivious (self delusioned that they are immortal?) pedestrians too.

But about private cars, I've never seen anyone 'policing' the 15 minute stay spaces either, which could be why people sometimes end up having to park on the pavement down the back street. There are some cars I see there every night picking people up, so there'll be more people than me who'd be pleased to see the station finally sorted out!

If you saw how many people get off those London trains in an evening then you'd see why there's so many cabs. I always hope that those trains arrive into the station late!

For reasons that I'm not prepared to disclose on here i know EXACTLY how many people get off these London trains at night!!!!

Sometimes,and it is sometimes, they do have to wait for a cab.But more often than not they are parked stupidly and dangerously for long periods of time.

AND... (lol) the station has been underinvested in for years.Finally major work is being undertaken to improve and modernise it.This kinda work cant be done in the blink of an eye or overnight.But that still doesn't mean that the taxis can park like idiots and endanger people.

Even when the stations finished it's beyond question that'll we'll still be on here moaning about it :)

The one that makes me howl is for years there was that small triangle at the staion front for parking so they invested wads of money and built a HUGE multi storey car park loads more spaces,under cover,well lit cctv and manned 24 hours and then everyone moans it too far to walk!! ( max 2 mins for an able bodied person)

And there's 40 mins free parking in it.

No need to park on the street really.Thats just can't be arsed syndrome.

Well no, it's not can't be arsed, as the street's actually further away, and in any case the car park is totally unsuitable for when you've got to do a quick pick up. What would be a quick drive in, pick up and go would turn into a lengthy time queueing in the car park without even having stopped or got out of the car (I don't make a habit of hanging around, I only set off once I know the train is almost in) - not what it's for surely?

It's really useful if you want to go in and buy a ticket yourself, but not for daily pick-ups. I'm sure that this is why it has a 40 minute time band rather than the 15 minute one in the forecourt. The problem is that you more often than not can't get in to the forecourt where your passenger is waiting, so you do end up on the street.

But maybe I won't be moaning for long because I hope soon I won't be having to do this every night!

Originally posted by nick2
Although I don't drive it does annoy me when people can't be arsed to find a parking space at meadowhall so they just abandon their cars on the bits marked with stripey lines, which I assume means "don't park here you twonk".

I'd clamp the lot of 'em.

Just come back from M/hall and they are starting to clamp cars parked on the yellow lines. The funny thing is, they only have one clamp :lol: There was a row of cars on these lines, mercs, Beamers and such like but the only car they clamped was a battered old Fiesta :loopy:

Slightly off topic but if you do see anyone driving badly/parking badly, there is a website where you can 'name and shame'.

http://www.baddriving.com/default.asp

Wont do much good I don't suppose but it gets it off your chest.