I know it means popular music, but why is it popular?

The lyrics don't tend to mean anything and are not written by the performer most of the time, the music is bland and generic, each song lasts a fairly average amount of time and the singers, for the most part, have average voices which can just about put a song over.

Why are people attracted to this kind of music?

I know it means popular music, but why is it popular?

The lyrics don't tend to mean anything and are not written by the performer most of the time, the music is bland and generic, each song lasts a fairly average amount of time and the singers, for the most part, have average voices which can just about put a song over.

Why are people attracted to this kind of music?

Because it's accessible to the masses.

I have noticed how all my favourite albums take multiple listens and grow on me to become great albums. I'll give you the example of The Ting Ting's album, it's Indie-Pop at it's best and I really enjoyed it after the first couple of listens. Now it really grates on me & has the "James Blunt" effect on me!

Popular music is also very lucrative in terms of the revenue it reaps in for the record companies.

Emperor's New Clothes?

Because it's accessible to the masses.

I have noticed how all my favourite albums take multiple listens and grow on me to become great albums. I'll give you the example of The Ting Ting's album, it's Indie-Pop at it's best and I really enjoyed it after the first couple of listens. Now it really grates on me & has the "James Blunt" effect on me!

Popular music is also very lucrative in terms of the revenue it reaps in for the record companies.

That's sort of what I'm trying to get at. We know it's just a money making scheme for companies, so they try and shovel enough s**t i.e. greating pop groups to make them the money.

However, what I'm also meaning is, it's really just bland throwaway music, so why do people like it?

For example, I listen to Dream Theater for their musicianship and technical ability, their songwriting and because their songs are all different. The track times go from 2 1/2 mins up to 24 mins and all sound different. They write and perform their own stuff and have got to the top of their game through perserverance and a desire to be the best.

So why do people choose to listen to medicre and bland music instead of the likes of Dream Theater. I'm aware of the saying "well, if we all liked the same things..." but there is plenty of other good music out there that gets overlooked because it's not popular.

I like the fact that all the good music is not popular as I seem to connect to the music on a more personal level. Kings of Leon for example have polished their sounds & with that comes commercial success, I prefer their old raw sound.

But like you have mentioned Leviathan it's all about the money, if you were an artist and could make millions from a more pop sounding album, would you?

I like the fact that all the good music is not popular as I seem to connect to the music on a more personal level. Kings of Leon for example have polished their sounds & with that comes commercial success, I prefer their old raw sound.

But like you have mentioned Leviathan it's all about the money, if you were an artist and could make millions from a more pop sounding album, would you?

I'd like to say no, but it's all just hypothetical. A good example is Metallica. They built up a cult following in the early 80's which meant that, even though they'd never had a no.1 single or album, they could fill large venues by the end of the decade due to building such a solid fan-base. They release Load in the 90's and, because it's less heavy than their early stuff, they lose a lot of fans. In a nutshell, sounding more commercial lost them fans rather than gaining them.

The point of pop music is the same as any other type of music, to entertain and make money.

It shouldn't be a concious decision - you hear something and you like it or you don't.

Pop music gives the likes of McFly, Will Young, Leona Lewis et al a living.. And it gives the 15 year old teeny boppers something to spend their paper round money on besides 2p cola bottles.

Because it's accessible to the masses.

This really is the crux of it. Popular music is the stuff that record distributors push radio stations to play. People hear it on the radio and like it so they go and buy it. Sales increase, records climb the charts and the music is 'popular'.

Personally I can't stand pop music and I very rarely listen to the radio. But I know that in order to find the kind of music I really like, I have to persevere and look hard for it via internet sites, festivals etc...

A lot of people aren't prepared to spend that much effort finding new music so they just go with what is being promoted on Radio Crap FM.

Hmm, interesting. Just had a quick look on Wiki, that arbiter of all difficult questions, and the thinking there goes that 'popular music' is all music that is accessible to the general public and disseminated by the mass media.

So the major distinction is between, for example, classical music - Mozart, Vivaldi, etc - and anything made by guys with guitars, regardless of how obscure and 'cool' their indie record label is.

There is a further distinction made between popular music and pop music ('In opposition to music that requires education to appreciate it, a defining character of pop music is that anyone can enjoy it'). Lol - who writes this stuff?

I suppose you could draw an analogy with literature. You need a good education to really appreciate Shakespeare - but anyone can enjoy something written by amateurs or Jeffrey Archer. Except the educated people, of course ;)

To sum up: snobbery is alive and well. You don't like it? You don't read, listen, watch or go to galleries to look at it. Personally, I enjoy a good pop song (The Beatles? ABBA? yes please) and I like a lot of popular novels.

But the music hardly matters anyway. Most kids' first crush usually involves a member of a manufactured pop group (mine was Clare Grogan!). This involves not only buying every single record or CD released but also books, T shirts, posters and calenders. Once a fan, you'd be inclined to buy a CD even if it consisted of Miss Gorgeous blowing her nose.

As long as there's an accompanying video then the product will sell. We all did it and we can hardly blame our children for behaving like we did. These groups usually last a couple of years before making way for the Next Big Thing.

And as for lyrics, teenyboppers don't pay attention to them because they're too busy salivating over their little heartthrobs!

The point about pop music is that it is blander than music which is more substantial. This has always been the case.

It is easy to like for a while but many people get bored of many songs quickly.

Music which is more technically interesting or taxing to listen to is known as "Heavy". This does not mean "Louder" it means that it takes more effort to enjoy. However if one takes time to like heavier music then the pleasure to be had from it is far greater.

An example of "heavy music" is opera. Some of the greatest music ever written but it takes some effort or even training to appreciate it.
Wheras back in the victorian era many people relaxed by listening to "light opera" which was one type of pop music from that era. You can include Gilbert and Sullivan in this, there stuff was humerous and trivial.

Today we find pop music stations which play vacuuous manufactured pop music. This is likely to appeal to people with simple tastes, but even then its appeal is fleeting.

Maybe some people just like to listen to songs, and don’t feel the need to justify it, because its 'lyrically inspiring' or 'the musicianship is technically superb' or some other worthy but crushingly boring qualifier?

Lets face it, the biggest band of all time started out as pop band catering to a teeny bopper market

(I'm talking about the Goombay Dance Band, of course)

I always find people who go that extra mile to impress their musical taste upon other people to be very dull. Very dull indeed.

I suppose you could draw an analogy with literature. You need a good education to really appreciate Shakespeare - but anyone can enjoy something written by amateurs or Jeffrey Archer. Except the educated people, of course ;)


I like that analogy. I would also liken it to the movie industry. Some times I like a poorly scripted but entertaining film to watch, it all depends on my frame of mind.

I'm always on at my girlfriend to stop listening to Hallam FM and she hardly ever listens to albums. My nagging has worked and she has improved her musical tastes greatly, but for some reason I don't like the fact she listens to "my" music now :rolleyes:

I know it means popular music, but why is it popular?

The lyrics don't tend to mean anything and are not written by the performer most of the time, the music is bland and generic, each song lasts a fairly average amount of time and the singers, for the most part, have average voices which can just about put a song over.

Why are people attracted to this kind of music?

To make money by taking advantage of both young and impressionable consumers and "artists" (depending on your view on whether they count as that) The Smart artists get out and create their own label to give them musically freedom so they can "create" rather than just "distribute" "their" music!

There are so many example of popular band who you see a few years after they finished with their company and they have been royally screwed! At the time you assumed they were all raking it in but the companies always get the larger percentages! Sad to see but when people are naive they will get taken advantage of!

i'm a rock fan....a BIG rock fan, like some metal as well....but it doesnt stop me realising that some pop music is both beautifully constructed and can sometimes have more feeling.... some wet wet wet songs are true gems of songwriting and a lesson to any musician.

lyrics dont have to mean anything, in some cases my favourate songs by bands like faith no more mean nothing at all!!!

I know it means popular music, but why is it popular?

The lyrics don't tend to mean anything and are not written by the performer most of the time, the music is bland and generic, each song lasts a fairly average amount of time and the singers, for the most part, have average voices which can just about put a song over.

Why are people attracted to this kind of music?

I think it's just the acceptance of mediocrity, there are so many bands and singers out there that sound the same, or are just rehashing old songs or mixing 2 different songs, that only occassionally will some band or singer really stand out from the crowd.
So the masses will continue to support mediocrity, not necessarily because it's the best singing or music they have heard, but because it has become popular because the quality threshhold is so low.
Unfortunately rewarding mediocrity breeds yet more mediocrity chasing the dollar.

Take for instance Connie Talbot, she has won gold and platinum disc for her debut album sales, and she's a 7 year old, singing old songs she's sung to on her Karaoke machine at home.
Now if that isn't the masses content with mediocrity I don't know what is!:suspect:

I know it means popular music, but why is it popular?

The lyrics don't tend to mean anything and are not written by the performer most of the time, the music is bland and generic, each song lasts a fairly average amount of time and the singers, for the most part, have average voices which can just about put a song over.

Why are people attracted to this kind of music?The appeal of The Beatles is lost on me as well.

What do all the following have in common?

Oasis
Girls Aloud
Freemasons
Kylie
Coldplay
Kaeser Chiefs
Leona Lewis
Hard Fi
Shayne Ward
Dizzee Rascal
Arctic Monkeys

All are pop music. Tell me that theres no one track that you like from any of these artists and i'll believe you don't like pop music. Otherwise you're just a music snob and not a music lover

I suppose you could draw an analogy with literature. You need a good education to really appreciate Shakespeare - but anyone can enjoy something written by amateurs or Jeffrey Archer. Except the educated people, of course ;)I disagree somewhat. Shakespeare was written for the uneducated masses and can be enjoyed by anyone open minded enough. the only thing is Shakespeare wrote plays not books so in order to appreciate hos work you need to see it performed. And when thats done well its glorious

I think it's just the acceptance of mediocrity, there are so many bands and singers out there that sound the same, or are just rehashing old songs or mixing 2 different songs, that only occassionally will some band or singer really stand out from the crowd.
So the masses will continue to support mediocrity, not necessarily because it's the best singing or music they have heard, but because it has become popular because the quality threshhold is so low.


You could apply the same criticism to most metal bands - most do nothing that wasn't being done 30 odd years ago.

I would guess that most bands / artists in my pretty extensive music collection have had a hit single at sometime or other.

I think the main difference is whether the music is self penned or rather more manafactured - although even then "hit factories" like Motown, Goffin/King, Bacharach / David have produced some really memorable quality music.

I disagree somewhat. Shakespeare was written for the uneducated masses and can be enjoyed by anyone open minded enough. the only thing is Shakespeare wrote plays not books so in order to appreciate hos work you need to see it performed. And when thats done well its glorious

Well, yes and no. Shakespeare did write for a popular audience, that's true, but he also did it a long time ago. Language changes mean that it's highly unlikely an average reader will understand the meanings of some words without a scholarly edition, to say nothing of the classical references, etc.

I know I don't - I'm lost without my Norton edition. I can read the words, but I don't always get the meanings.

And since many performances of Shakespeare these days are absolutely dire (I must have seen 'A Midsummer Night's Dream' at least five times in the theatre, and it was rubbish every time), I'd also dispute your second point. A performance can enhance your reading, but I'd say it's unlikely to give you much that you couldn't have extrapolated from the text already.

I even managed to fall asleep during a school trip to see Hamlet at the RSC. Oops. :hihi:

Pop music gives the likes of McFly, Will Young, Leona Lewis et al a living.. And it gives the 15 year old teeny boppers something to spend their paper round money on besides 2p cola bottles.

McFly are awesome, i listen to McFly (besides they write and record their own stuff anyway, they're a real band, they just happen to be popular), Dream THeatre, Metallica, Rush, Busted, Lagwagon, Protest the Hero. Don't discriminate because of genres you fool Leviathan, there's good music all around you, just listen.

Forget about the labels and just enjoy the music.

You could apply the same criticism to most metal bands - most do nothing that wasn't being done 30 odd years ago.


I wasn't really into Metal bands in my youth, but I did like the records that Rainbow and Judas Priest released.
I am not sure where metal experts and fans and purists place the likes of Rainbow and Judas Priest, but I like them.

I don't get why people are so precious about genres of music. If you like it listen!
Over the past year I've watched everyone from Rolo tomassi (screamer quite weird stuff) to Shayne Ward open the lights in town (admittedly tripe)

Pop to me is anyone who is not really involved in the writing or production of their songs and are given a song to sing e.g. kylie, girls aloud but arguably any music that gets in the charts is pop.

MY favourite recenter pop songs include Love Machine, Baby one more time.

I'd also class teenybop bands as pop as they have a shelf life of five years or so but I think Mcfly are great - won tickets to see them and i was won over.

Obviously I love the pop of my youth as I'm meant to - Smash Hits was aimed at me during the eighties. I was meant to love Curiosity Killed the cat, Aha and Wham! and Brother Beyond.

And then I love earlier pop like Abba and all the Burt Bacarach stuff.

Pop music is great and if i don't like something in the charts i tend to think well hey, you are not 13, it's not aimed at you.

The appeal of The Beatles is lost on me as well.

What do all the following have in common?

Oasis
Girls Aloud
Freemasons
Kylie
Coldplay
Kaeser Chiefs
Leona Lewis
Hard Fi
Shayne Ward
Dizzee Rascal
Arctic Monkeys

All are pop music. Tell me that theres no one track that you like from any of these artists and i'll believe you don't like pop music. Otherwise you're just a music snob and not a music lover

Of those you mentioned there's only the Arctics that I like, but because they write their own songs and are extremely good musicians and songwriters.

I am a "Music Lover"! I love classical, blues, rock, metal as well as artists like the Gotan Project, the Beastie Boys, Chemical Brothers and thanks to someone at work, I'm starting to enjoy "breakcore" and all sorts of weird and wonderful sounds that would never make it anywhere near the charts in a million years.

How has everyones music tastes changed over the years?

Obviously I started off with pop (taping the Top40 on a Sunday night!), followed by a year of just British Bands (Blur mostly). When I went to uni it was R&B/Hip-hop, Eminem producing some brilliant albums. Now I find myself listening to an eclectic mix but I stray towards singer/songwriter types.

McFly are awesome, i listen to McFly (besides they write and record their own stuff anyway, they're a real band, they just happen to be popular), Dream THeatre, Metallica, Rush, Busted, Lagwagon, Protest the Hero. Don't discriminate because of genres you fool Leviathan, there's good music all around you, just listen.
Forget about the labels and just enjoy the music.

Agreed, there is. So why have you only stated guitar orientated bands if you've got such a varied taste in different genres?

I don't like McFly, or Busted, coz they want to be rock, but really aren't. They just write fluffy pop/rock tunes because they know it'll sell and make them rich.

Slayer have never had a no.1 single, yet they've been around for almost 30 years, got a solid fan base and can play any country in the world, and probably already have. Just coz some poxy boyband with guitars sells a few copies of their stuff doesn't mean they are good.

Look at Cliff Richard!

Agreed, there is. So why have you only stated guitar orientated bands if you've got such a varied taste in different genres?

I don't like McFly, or Busted, coz they want to be rock, but really aren't. They just write fluffy pop/rock tunes because they know it'll sell and make them rich.

Slayer have never had a no.1 single, yet they've been around for almost 30 years, got a solid fan base and can play any country in the world, and probably already have. Just coz some poxy boyband with guitars sells a few copies of their stuff doesn't mean they are good.

Look at Cliff Richard!

McFly and Busted are tongue in cheek entertainment, just like Slayer are.

McFly and Busted are tongue in cheek entertainment, just like Slayer are.

And, I'm hoping, just like your statement is!

In my opinion a lot of pop music is music for people who don’t like music, meaning they enjoy the vocals or lyrics, or a toe tapping beat, or how it reminds them of a special occasion (come on Eileen, anyone?) but don’t have much interest in the way the song is constructed or the instrumentals of it. I really enjoy listening to some bands particularly for the bass or particularly for the trumpets.

Pop songs tend to 'resolve' in a particularly satisfying way or have a very catchy riff or beat in them which appeals to more people than more unconventional arrangements.

I don’t think its something to be snobby about though. There is some really good pop music too.

In my opinion a lot of pop music is music for people who don’t like music, meaning they enjoy the vocals or lyrics, or a toe tapping beat, or how it reminds them of a special occasion (come on Eileen, anyone?) but don’t have much interest in the way the song is constructed or the instrumentals of it. I really enjoy listening to some bands particularly for the bass or particularly for the trumpets.

Pop songs tend to 'resolve' in a particularly satisfying way or have a very catchy riff or beat in them which appeals to more people than more unconventional arrangements.

I don’t think its something to be snobby about though. There is some really good pop music too.

I think you have something in what you say there, I noticed when I worked in a large office that most of the people who liked the pop stuff didn't really have an interest in music it was just something to dance round their handbags to after a drink.

They hardly ever bought cd's and I dont remember any going to concerts.

I am a definate rock/metal fan but I do like some classical and even some old disco stuff that takes me back to my teenage years:hihi:

I do admit to feeling a bit superior to people who just like pop I just can not help it, I also feel a bit sorry for them as they are missing out on some fantastic music and great concerts:(

And, I'm hoping, just like your statement is!

Not at all. If you take Slayer seriously, you're mad.

What's the point of Slayer's music?

The "point" is there's a market out there for it, they certainly sell.

I guess I'm one of the less superior people that like it, as well as other types. I have a whole range of CDs in my collection - and it includes pop.

The "point" is there's a market out there for it, they certainly sell.

I guess I'm one of the less superior people that like it, as well as other types. I have a whole range of CDs in my collection - and it includes pop.

There isn't really a point to any music. It's purely for entertainment. And if something entertains, it has scope to make money. Some artists gear their music around this and some don't. Simple as that really.

There isn't really a point to any music. It's purely for entertainment. And if something entertains, it has scope to make money. Some artists gear their music around this and some don't. Simple as that really.

I know, I'm just sick of getting pulled a lot because I happen to like "pop" music. I'm tetchy today anyway! :D

I know, I'm just sick of getting pulled a lot because I happen to like "pop" music. I'm tetchy today anyway! :D

Don't listen to them, they can't see the forest for the trees.

It's like some people stop liking stuff once it gets in the NME... it works for non pop bands as well. Music snobbery is immense. If you liked it before, why not like it when it gets popular?

Stuff does get boring though so often by the time it's reached NME, you've been listening to it for ages but occasionally somethings past you by and this is your first listen so i think NME still has its place even in the myspace age.

It's like some people stop liking stuff once it gets in the NME... it works for non pop bands as well. Music snobbery is immense. If you liked it before, why not like it when it gets popular?

Stuff does get boring though so often by the time it's reached NME, you've been listening to it for ages but occasionally somethings past you by and this is your first listen so i think NME still has its place even in the myspace age.

Yeah, it's not the fact that it's in NME. I don't blame the bands for taking all the publicity they can get. It's just the overkill that sort of puts me off bands sometimes.

I used to quite like Red Hot Chilli Peppers. I didn't love them but I had a couple of albums. Then they brought the album with Zephyr Song on it out and I worked in a place that had Radio One on all day. Honestly, it was every three songs on the playlist.

Now when I hear ANY Chillis my blood pressure honestly shoots up and I feel ill.

I think you have something in what you say there, I noticed when I worked in a large office that most of the people who liked the pop stuff didn't really have an interest in music it was just something to dance round their handbags to after a drink.

They hardly ever bought cd's and I dont remember any going to concerts.

I am a definate rock/metal fan but I do like some classical and even some old disco stuff that takes me back to my teenage years:hihi:

I do admit to feeling a bit superior to people who just like pop I just can not help it, I also feel a bit sorry for them as they are missing out on some fantastic music and great concerts:(

Yeah but for some people music is not important. It defines for my mood. What i am listening to expresses how i am feeling usually. (I've now got is this it? on The Strokes) It's very rare i've not got some on.

One of my close mates thinks i'm weird as i will sit and just listen to music whereas she sees it as a background to other things, she thinks it's strange that I know words and take an interest in what they mean and why the writer chose to use those words whereas she just picks up the hook lines. Hence the importance of a strong hook line in pop music, it's designed to be used to dance along at the office party to whilst singing badly just the chorus, iron to etc etc.

Not at all. If you take Slayer seriously, you're mad.

What's the point of Slayer's music?

I take Slayer seriously in so far as they are awesome musicians at the top of their game.

The point of Slayer's music will be, first and foremost, that they had a lot of anger and pent up aggression as kids and they found a way to express it through music. They learned to play their instruments, wrote their own songs and put time and effort in to creating something for themselves. The fact that people took to their sound is testament to them.

They write songs about all sorts of subjects from war to politics, religion to the perils of the world. Granted, they may seem comical to some people, but they themselves are jovial and under no illusion that they are going to change the world.

If you're going to ask what's the point of Slayer's music, why not ask it of any musical genre?

My initial point was, as the actual performers have very little input in to the music and lyrics etc. what is the point of them other than just as a vehicle to make the record companies money?

My initial point was, as the actual performers have very little input in to the music and lyrics etc. what is the point of them other than just as a vehicle to make the record companies money?

Because it entertains some people in the same way that Slayer entertains you or I.

Yeah, it's not the fact that it's in NME. I don't blame the bands for taking all the publicity they can get. It's just the overkill that sort of puts me off bands sometimes.

I used to quite like Red Hot Chilli Peppers. I didn't love them but I had a couple of albums. Then they brought the album with Zephyr Song on it out and I worked in a place that had Radio One on all day. Honestly, it was every three songs on the playlist.

Now when I hear ANY Chillis my blood pressure honestly shoots up and I feel ill.

Well yeah Arctic Monkeys are an obvious consideration here. The NME had them on the front cover every week for about a year and you'd open it up to read a four line article on how Alex had been seen having a pint. :rolleyes:

Yeah Chillis went through same sort of thing as Kings of Leon are going through at the moment didn't they? Annoys a lot of the original fans and puts them off even a few albums in.

I take Slayer seriously in so far as they are awesome musicians at the top of their game.

The point of Slayer's music will be, first and foremost, that they had a lot of anger and pent up aggression as kids and they found a way to express it through music. They learned to play their instruments, wrote their own songs and put time and effort in to creating something for themselves. The fact that people took to their sound is testament to them.

They write songs about all sorts of subjects from war to politics, religion to the perils of the world. Granted, they may seem comical to some people, but they themselves are jovial and under no illusion that they are going to change the world.

If you're going to ask what's the point of Slayer's music, why not ask it of any musical genre?

My initial point was, as the actual performers have very little input in to the music and lyrics etc. what is the point of them other than just as a vehicle to make the record companies money?

but this has been going on for donkeys. Look at most of the Burt Bacarach songs, recorded by various artists in the same year,e.g. Anyone who had a heart - amazing song - Dionne Warwick, Dusty Springfield, Cilla Black even! Noone in their right minds would diss Dusty or Dionne (mebbe Cilla!) so why can't we accept that perhaps Kylie will reach that iconic status one day?* Actually Atomic kitten also had a hit with it as well - tee hee!

Why the musical snobbery? Surely, a true music lover would appreciate most, if not all, fine examples of music from many genres whether it be pop, metal, rock, rap, r&b, blues, country, classical etc... etc... A open mind is a healthy mind :)

I think you have something in what you say there, I noticed when I worked in a large office that most of the people who liked the pop stuff didn't really have an interest in music it was just something to dance round their handbags to after a drink.

They hardly ever bought cd's and I dont remember any going to concerts.

I am a definate rock/metal fan but I do like some classical and even some old disco stuff that takes me back to my teenage years:hihi:

I do admit to feeling a bit superior to people who just like pop I just can not help it, I also feel a bit sorry for them as they are missing out on some fantastic music and great concerts:(


Yes its the same in my office. The people who listen to generic pop dont tend to enjoy live music or buy many cds. I think thats why they call it 'easy listening' - you dont have to really listen at all.

I know exactly what you mean about feeling superior but you have to bear in mind that everyone feels like that about their passion.

Exercise junkies will feel sorry for people who spend half their weekend in bed. Look at the debates we have on SF about working mums vs stay at home mums. Its horses for courses

Its all just tunes - a song will either move you in some way, or it won't, whether it's by Paris Hilton or Xasthur.

Why the musical snobbery? Surely, a true music lover would appreciate most, if not all, fine examples of music from many genres whether it be pop, metal, rock, rap, r&b, blues, country, classical etc... etc... A open mind is a healthy mind :)

What's the difference between me having a problem with pop and not understanding why people listen to it, and you telling me what to listen to?

What's the difference between me having a problem with pop and not understanding why people listen to it, and you telling me what to listen to?

But I am not telling you what to listen to.

What's the difference between me having a problem with pop and not understanding why people listen to it, and you telling me what to listen to?Hes not telling you what to listen to. Hes just advocating an open mind.

Nirvana for instance. Great band, some genuinely superb music. Unplugged In New York is one of the best Albums I own. But they're a pop band as sure as McFly are.

But I am not telling you what to listen to.

Then why tell me I'm not a music fan unless I appreciate ALL genres? Surely, to appreciate a genre, I have to listen to it, therefore you are telling me to listen to other types of music.

Tell me, what do you think of Satanic Black Metal? Breakcore? Hardcordian?

Hes not telling you what to listen to. Hes just advocating an open mind.

Nirvana for instance. Great band, some genuinely superb music. Unplugged In New York is one of the best Albums I own. But they're a pop band as sure as McFly are.

So Metallica are a pop band because they've had a couple of tunes in the UK top 40 before?

Then why tell me I'm not a music fan unless I appreciate ALL genres? Surely, to appreciate a genre, I have to listen to it, therefore you are telling me to listen to other types of music.

Tell me, what do you think of Satanic Black Metal? Breakcore? Hardcordian?

Formulaic, comically pantomine nonsense, most of which is unlistenable sh*te.
But I like to keep an open mind.:)

Different strokes for different folks - it's usually best to leave these things at that.

What does for one, doesn't do for another.

I don't like Leona Lewis' songs - but I can't deny she can do marvellous things with the voice she's got. And is is very much annoying me that I sing along to her most recent one and am coming around to liking it! :rant:

I REALLY can't undertand the fascination with Maria Carey either - she sounds like she's twittering to me, but she has millions of fans :confused:

KORN and bans like that I don't understand - literally, I can't tell a word they're saying.

Having said that - I CAN appreciate that others will like them, and not like what I like.

Formulaic, comically pantomine nonsense, most of which is unlistenable sh*te.
But I like to keep an open mind.:)

So much for "appreciating other music". Your description is how I see "pop" music, yet it appears I can't have that opinion about pop music as that means I'm a music snob.

Although, from a personal opinion, I don't think you can say that about Akercocke as they have a much more progressive sound these days, with bits of black metal thrown in.

So much for "appreciating other music". Your description is how I see "pop" music, yet it appears I can't have that opinion about pop music as that means I'm a music snob.

Although, from a personal opinion, I don't think you can say that about Akercocke as they have a much more progressive sound these days, with bits of black metal thrown in.

As it happens I've just looked three Akercocke tracks on youtube - and ''Formulaic, comically pantomine nonsense, most of which is unlistenable sh*te.'' pretty well describes my feelings to a tee. They were pretty funny in a teenage kind of way - ''Horns of Baphomet'' and ''Of semen and menstrual blood'' indeed!:hihi::hihi:

Still if it makes you happy........:)

The comedy growling was pretty funny too.......

As it happens I've just looked three Akercocke tracks on youtube - and ''Formulaic, comically pantomine nonsense, most of which is unlistenable sh*te.'' pretty well describes my feelings to a tee. They were pretty funny in a teenage kind of way - ''Horns of Baphomet'' and ''Of semen and menstrual blood'' indeed!:hihi::hihi:

Still if it makes you happy........:)

I said "these days", meaning recently. Horns of Baphoment and "OF MENSTRUAL BLOOD AND SEMEN" (at least afford them the courtesy of getting the song titles correct) are from their second album. I'm talking about their last two albums "Words That Go Unspoken..." and "Antichrist".

So, what music do you enjoy?

I said "these days", meaning recently. Horns of Baphoment and "OF MENSTRUAL BLOOD AND SEMEN" (at least afford them the courtesy of getting the song titles correct) are from their second album. I'm talking about their last two albums "Words That Go Unspoken..." and "Antichrist".

So, what music do you enjoy?

Allsorts - on my computer I have stuff that ranges from Sugababes to The Ramones via Kate Rusby, Belle and Sebastian, Thin Lizzy, Dead Kennedys, Dory Previn, The Fall, Hole, Santogold, Air, Burt Bacharach, Elgar....................

Music Nerds! Stop trying to blind each other with your fantacism. This is worse than people arguing over the Bible. We should embrace each other's differences.

Music Nerds! Stop trying to blind each other with your fantacism. This is worse than people arguing over the Bible. We should embrace each other's differences.

And then what would be the point in a public forum?

So Metallica are a pop band because they've had a couple of tunes in the UK top 40 before?No. they are a pop band because they sell millions of records. Therefore they are popular therefore pop music

No. they are a pop band because they sell millions of records. Therefore they are popular therefore pop music

Try telling that to their marketing team.

Try telling that to their marketing team.

As in the people whose job it is to make Metallica seem cool to people like you who loathe pop music?

As in the people whose job it is to make Metallica seem cool to people like you who loathe pop music?

Indeed! :suspect:

Although, they didn't need a marketing team for that. I just had a mate who taped me Master Of Puppets and Ride The Lightning! That's all I needed to get me hooked.

Try telling that to their marketing team.The very fact they have a marketing team solidifies my assertion they are a corporate pop band.

Also lets be fair they're a bunch of hypocrites and whiny babies who are nowhere close to being the band who made Ride the Lightning and Justice For All.

The very fact they have a marketing team solidifies my assertion they are a corporate pop band.

Also lets be fair they're a bunch of hypocrites and whiny babies who are nowhere close to being the band who made Ride the Lightning and Justice For All.

Where did I say this was fact? I was just being sarcastic!

And no, they're not, they've progressed. Sometimes for the worst, but at least they're not dull.

So, let's see you try and find their albums in the "POP" section of a record shop! That'll show 'em! :loopy:

Where did I say this was fact? I was just being sarcastic!

And no, they're not, they've progressed. Sometimes for the worst, but at least they're not dull.

So, let's see you try and find their albums in the "POP" section of a record shop! That'll show 'em! :loopy:

Of course they have a marketing team.

Even Shakin' Stevens has a marketing team.

Probably not a very good one though.

Of course they have a marketing team.

Again, I didn't say they didn't have one!

Even Shakin' Stevens has a marketing team.

Probably not a very good one though.

His marketing team is just a man, clinging to a drainpipe. Totally useless.

Try telling that to their marketing team.
Where did I say this was fact? I was just being sarcastic!
Again, I didn't say they didn't have one!Just to save my confusion do they have a marketing team or not?

Just to save my confusion do they have a marketing team or not?

Is Leviathan their manager now or something?

Just to save my confusion do they have a marketing team or not?

I don't know?

Initially I was just being sarcastic! Are you American? Those damn yanks could never get the hang of sarcasm and irony!

I'm not american, if I were I'd probably like Metallica!

I'm not american, if I were I'd probably like Metallica!

Wow! You're statements are getting dafter by the minute!

I don't think being American means you have to have a love of Metallica. Also, there are loads of non-Americans who like them to.

Or were you just being sarcastic?

Wow! You're statements are getting dafter by the minute!

I don't think being American means you have to have a love of Metallica. Also, there are loads of non-Americans who like them to.

Or were you just being sarcastic?Not just me struggling with the irony thing is it ;)

Not just me struggling with the irony thing is it ;)

Where was the irony?

The irony is that you started a thread about hating pop music but you like Metallica the most popular thrash band in the world

The irony is that you started a thread about hating pop music but you like Metallica the most popular thrash band in the world

But I wasn't talking about popular music, I was talking about "pop" music, as in it being a genre rather than a description. Hence the "_" around pop in the thread title.

As you say, they are a popular thrash band, but do not fall in the category of "pop" music.

Just like Oasis are still classed as "indie", but are far from releasing albums on independent labels anymore.

I wonder....if POP music just means popular music as you mention, what's the meaning of good song? In fact, it changes from time to time. Also, it depends on different culture. There're different music in the world. Someone likes Japenese music, someone likes folk music.........don't you think that Japenese music's popular in Japan?

This. of course.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyog5mgvRK8