Watched a v. interesting TV programme last night on BBC2, entitled "Britian's Best Buildings"...

... and guess which area of Sheffield was featured in the programme alongside the main focus of Hardwick Hall...

... it was MANOR (!).

Although the programme took a historical view (it was to do with Mary Queen of Scots being locked up in Manor Lodge and then later be-headed), the film crew visited the remains of the Manor Lodge and the surrounding (stunningly gorgeous!)countryside...

There wasn't a smackhead, burnt out car, or boarded-up council house in sight!

The run down council estate part of Manor is not a particularly pleasant place, but this part isn't too bad!

So, to all the Manor doubters, could you now at least agree that the ENTIRE area of the Manor is not a hell-hole?

Lib1

PS- If the Manor became 'notorious' for car crime after 'Traffic Cops' was aired... does this mean that the Manor will now become 'notorious' as an English heritage site that is steeped in history after being featured in both 'Britian's Best Buildings' and 'Restoration' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/i_love_sy/localhistory/restoration_2004/gallery.shtml)? ;-)

But if they had walked round the corner towards the Windsor pub - that would have been a whole new documentary...I lived there for 2 years - directly across from the pub.
One car nicked, my people carrier broken into and vandelised, not to mention the two attempted burglaries on my house.
Scrotes from the pub fighting outside the takeaway at closing time every night - before that loads of chavs hurling abuse at people.

Not my first choice of area when I want to move again I can assure you.

yes sounds lovely, just the place Lib1 describes.... :hihi:


Originally posted by Dj_Shadowman
But if they had walked round the corner towards the Windsor pub - that would have been a whole new documentary...I lived there for 2 years - directly across from the pub.
One car nicked, my people carrier broken into and vandelised, not to mention the two attempted burglaries on my house.
Scrotes from the pub fighting outside the takeaway at closing time every night - before that loads of chavs hurling abuse at people.

Not my first choice of area when I want to move again I can assure you.

Oh well, I tried...

I should be moving to the Parklands site (finally!) in a couple of weeks...

So, if I stop sending messages to the forum after this point, you'll know that I've been murdered and that you were right all along.

Look out for news headlines along the lines of 'Manor Slaying- very short woman slain after finally moving into her first home- Husband devastated and swears to mourn wife forever and never re-marry'

Lib1

LOL Lib1
i to am a very short woman living on the manor(viking lea) and i havent managed to to get meself murdered yet either , what are we doing wrong :hihi: :hihi:

Litha

Originally posted by Litha
LOL Lib1
i to am a very short woman living on the manor(viking lea) and i havent managed to to get meself murdered yet either , what are we doing wrong :hihi: :hihi:

Litha

Who is going to be brave enough to murder a witch Litha?

Originally posted by drolnhoj
Who is going to be brave enough to murder a witch Litha?

ahhhh true true, i never actually thort about it that way.
mind you i heard rumours they were calling me a devil worshipper... heehee i thought that was most funny, i was going to get some chicken feets off the market and tie em out side my door but decided it might be a bad idea :hihi: :hihi: :heyhey:

Hey Litha...

Maybe your protection spells may keep the attackers away, but I have no such protection and still manage to journey in and out of the Manor untouched- despite being in a daze most of the time that I'm in the area as I'm so excited about moving into my new place and despite continually getting lost trying to find the shortest routes to the nearest tram stops!

The locals even stop to help me out when I ask for advice and don't run off with my handbag/ shoes/ mobile phone/ all of the above...

I don't know... the cheek of some folk! Couldn't they at least even attempt to live up to their reputation?

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
Although the programme took a historical view (it was to do with Mary Queen of Scots being locked up in Manor Lodge and then later be-headed), the film crew visited the remains of the Manor Lodge and the surrounding (stunningly gorgeous!)countryside...

Stunningly gorgeous countryside round Manor? Where?

For stunningly gorgeous countryside in Manor, see:

http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104001/BASSL/21232/2 (scroll to the bottom of the screen- it's the last photo on the page).

There is a graveyard out of shot to the right of the pic, but, beyond that, there's nowt as far as the eye can see but rolling hills!

This isn't the countryside that I mentioned earlier- this is Deep Pitts National District Park. It's recently been regenerated as part of the Bellways Parklands development and it will be my view from my living and dining room. Not bad scenery, if I do say so myself!

Lib1

We have a Housing Project in our County, called Father Panic Village, even the UPS drivers refuse to go there, how bad is that ?

Originally posted by Lib1
Hey Litha...

Maybe your protection spells may keep the attackers away, but I have no such protection and still manage to journey in and out of the Manor untouched- despite being in a daze most of the time that I'm in the area as I'm so excited about moving into my new place and despite continually getting lost trying to find the shortest routes to the nearest tram stops!

The locals even stop to help me out when I ask for advice and don't run off with my handbag/ shoes/ mobile phone/ all of the above...

I don't know... the cheek of some folk! Couldn't they at least even attempt to live up to their reputation?

Lib1

im not so sure about my spells more of Shane threatning the breaking of legs and slitting of throats :heyhey:

well you cant trust any of the yobs nowadays to act like normal yobs can you tskk tskk are you quite devestated hunny :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Father Panic Village- is that in Conneticut?

Took a look at the link. What I found amusing is how the estate agent described the area. Estate agents are famed for overdoing the "talking up" of an area...sometimes it's exclusive, other times very popular....the real dodgy places appear to attract other descriptions such as "established" as it's the most nondescript way of not getting accused of misrepresentation while at least making it sound halfway positive about the place....as the valuer at SaxtonMee so carefully put, "OFFERED FOR SALE WITH EARLY VACANT POSSESSION AND NO CHAIN INVOLVED IN THIS ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL SUBURB "...... :help:


Originally posted by Lib1
For stunningly gorgeous countryside in Manor, see:

http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104001/BASSL/21232/2 (scroll to the bottom of the screen- it's the last photo on the page).

There is a graveyard out of shot to the right of the pic, but, beyond that, there's nowt as far as the eye can see but rolling hills!

This isn't the countryside that I mentioned earlier- this is Deep Pitts National District Park. It's recently been regenerated as part of the Bellways Parklands development and it will be my view from my living and dining room. Not bad scenery, if I do say so myself!

Lib1

Hey Bertie-

As usual... you're not very quick on the uptake when it comes to understanding the purpose of my links now are you? The purpose of that particular link was to illustrate the national park.

This time, I'll spell it out for you... the purpose of the description in this link:

"SITUATED IN THIS POPULAR AND WELL ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL SUBURB IS THIS RECENTLY COMPLETED TWO DOUBLE BEDROOMED END TOWNHOUSE"

http://212.50.188.108/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104001/BASSL/21552/2

in comparison to this link:

"An opportunity to purchase this new two bedroom apartment set within this increasingly popular development."

http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1086014/PARKG/49765/14

is to say... and your point is? Not much difference between them is there?

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
Father Panic Village- is that in Conneticut?

Yes, Connecticut, and thats the real name of it !

"increasingly popular development" implies a more favourable impression than "POPULAR AND WELL ESTABLISHED" in my opinion....thanks for the ammunition....:hihi:

Originally posted by BertieBasset
"increasingly popular development" implies a more favourable impression than "POPULAR AND WELL ESTABLISHED" in my opinion....thanks for the ammunition....:hihi:

Both are estate agent talk so not really the best thing to use for comparisson. However the second one sounds better IMO, says it is already popular. The other one implies it was rubbish but is getting a bit better.

Can the Parklands vs Norfolk Park argument stop now, surely even the participants are getting bored? They are both nice developments, one costing more due to been half the distance to town. Otherwise very similar.

the former implies popular and becoming more so, the latter implies flatlined popularity...:)

Firstly...The Windsor pub is on the Wybourn estate, no where near the Manor IMO :?

Secondly...When did they re-name the Manor fields as a National Park :o I spent 90% of my childhood on those fields and half of it is swamp land :hihi:

*Vidster starts to dream of his childhood*

I jogged home from work over the 'Manor fields' last week and the Parkland's development is taking shape nicely IMO :thumbsup:

Bertie-

"increasingly popular development" in direct comparison with the "POPULAR AND WELL ESTABLISHED" description in this context tells me that the NP development hasn't been around for long enough to be called 'established' whereas the older bit of the Parklands has been there for about 3 years now and over time, the area has become established and has proven to be popular.

In about a year's time- I'm sure that the NP development will also be described as established and popular rather than just "increasingly popular".

Lib1

If you want 'proof' Vidster, see this:

http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/press/news/aRelease.asp?akey=1387&Mon=01/10/2003

and this: http://www.maccin.org.uk/green_estate/deep.htm

and this: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:_-L4puwSJCMJ:www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/area-panels/manor--castle--woodthorpe/agenda-2nd-april-2004/neighbourhood-renewal-funding-and-attachment+%22district+park%22+%22deep+pits%22&hl=en

Lib1

I think in a year's time the Norfolk Park Development will be described as an increasingly desirable area, a step up from increasingly popular IMO... :hihi:

Also I thought the only National Park around here was the Peak District :confused:

Ok- Having re-read the links, Deep Pits is a district park, not a 'national' district park.

Didn't mean to mislead, it was a genuine mistake, sorry!

Lib1

Only "increasingly desirable area"... not "highly desirable...?", or "sought after...?" or 'exclusive...?", or "fashionable...?"

Lib1

well you never know do you, I was deliberately holding back there...:thumbsup:

Hi March-

Didn't notice your posts at first during the squabble earlier.

"Can the Parklands vs Norfolk Park argument stop now, surely even the participants are getting bored? They are both nice developments, one costing more due to been half the distance to town. Otherwise very similar."

Don't worry, no more unfavourable comparisons of NP and Parklands from me- I thought that I was very well behvaed today and didn't say a negative thing about NP...

Besides, BertieBasset started it! He's always picking on me! It's a bit like little boys pulling little girls' hair- if we were in junior school, people would assume that he fancied me!

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
For stunningly gorgeous countryside in Manor, see:

http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104001/BASSL/21232/2 (scroll to the bottom of the screen- it's the last photo on the page).


Is that property on the Parklands development? Hardly the most aesthetically pleasing building I've ever seen!

PS. Where do all these rolling hills fit in central Sheffield? Or do you mean you can see out into Derbyshire in the distance?

Originally posted by march
Can the Parklands vs Norfolk Park argument stop now, surely even the participants are getting bored? They are both nice developments, one costing more due to been half the distance to town. Otherwise very similar.

:rolleyes: I never mentioned you-know-where march! This thread is about Manor - please stay on topic! :wink:

The area around the old Manor Lodge has been subjected to a Masterplan, only recently approved by Cabinet. I believe that there are proposals to build stone houses, in keeping with the surrounding Manor Lodge and the semi-rural aspect of the location.

Those houses look really nice... but the back view! Tiny areas with no privacy at all. As bad as the yards in the old terraces in Heeley, Crookes, Walkley and Hunters Bar.

Why do they do it? Surely developers and architects realise that people today value their privacy, why not install proper fencing at the start? I can imagine how those gardens will look once everyone starts putting up their own "barriers". An attractive development ruined for a happorth of tar IMO...

Can someone just clarify for me - Is this "Parklands" you keep mentioning a different place from "Balmoral Grange" by Bellway just off POW - or have they just changed the name now?

Originally posted by t020
Is that property on the Parklands development? Hardly the most aesthetically pleasing building I've ever seen!


I reckon it looks alright. Money doesn't necessarily buy you beauty, anyway.

The evidence:

http://212.50.188.106/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104002/REDMI/21472/2

Originally posted by Greenback
I reckon it looks alright. Money doesn't necessarily buy you beauty, anyway.

The evidence:

http://212.50.188.106/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104002/REDMI/21472/2

Yeah, that's very ugly. But still, for all the raving Lib1 has given this Parklands development I didn't expect it to look like a row of modern council town-houses.

For £97,500 (£2,450 less) I found this http://212.50.188.107/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1086013/BROOK/52328/13

It is a modernised period cottage in a much nicer area (*IMO*) than the Manor and a stones throw away from Meersbrook Park. It also has a much larger kitchen with dining facilities. The courtyard garden is infinitely more attractive and private, *IMO*, and the outside of the house is, *in my opinion*, much more aesthetically pleasing with period charm. The cellar offers a welcome added bonus to increase storage capacity.

For just £5,000 more than Lib1's I found this http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1086006/LONGF/51140/2

It's a modernised end terrace property in Crookes, one of Sheffield's more appealing locations. The sacrifice is a few feet in the 2nd bedroom but the location is infinitely more appealing to the Manor, *in my opinion*.

Just shows that if you're on a low budget there is still quite a bit of choice and you don't have to end up living next door to what is *arguably* Sheffield's most notorious estate.

First link is the same as the second!

Originally posted by Greenback
First link is the same as the second!

Oops, must have copied the wrong URL for it. Have fixed it now for your viewing pleasure.

The Meersbrook property looks nice. Why you'd want to pay extra to get less space in Crookes - the most over-rated area in Sheffield - mystifies me though!

Originally posted by Greenback
The Meersbrook property looks nice. Why you'd want to pay extra to get less space in Crookes - the most over-rated area in Sheffield - mystifies me though!

*I* wouldn't, but assuming you mean generally, people pay a premium for certain areas depending on the lifestyle they choose and £5k is small change in the context of house prices today. I'd take the Crookes one over the Manor one though any day, but of the 3 the Meersbrook one perhaps edges it. The main point is that there's still lots of choice even on such a tiny budget. I only did a quick search on Blundells and yielded 2 decent alternatives.

Originally posted by t020

Just shows that if you're on a low budget there is still quite a bit of choice and you don't have to end up living next door to what is *arguably* Sheffield's most notorious estate.

Oh no, despite the caveat "arguably", I have a horrible feeling that we are on the verge of the same arguments being rehearsed all over again, despite this plea from march..........

Originally posted by march

Can the Parklands vs Norfolk Park argument stop now, surely even the participants are getting bored?

Let it go t020, just let it go.

Originally posted by redrobbo
Oh no, despite the caveat "arguably", I have a horrible feeling that we are on the verge of the same arguments being rehearsed all over again, despite this plea from march..........



Let it go t020, just let it go.


I never mentioned Norfolk Park! I merely offered referenced, realistic (in terms of price) alternatives to Parklands that I think are better options. I can't "let it go" when I'm not "holding on" to it! If anyone is at risk of bringing up that debate it's you, so please don't detract from what I feel are interesting points that I have raised with the above examples. Discuss the alternatives by all means, but don't dismiss my argument by implying I'm trying to recreate the "war".

Originally posted by t020
I never mentioned Norfolk Park! I merely offered referenced, realistic (in terms of price) alternatives to Parklands that I think are better options. I can't "let it go" when I'm not "holding on" to it!

Hello,

Can you please remove the festering toot in your PM inbox?

(I've been trying to get hold of you).

Alex

Originally posted by t020
Discuss the alternatives by all means, but don't dismiss my argument by implying I'm trying to recreate the "war".

" recreate the 'war' "? Don't know what you are referring to.

I did ask earlier if we could stay on the topic of Manor - and you go and introduce a post relating to.........Meersbrook and Crookes! What next, Ecclesall?

Originally posted by redrobbo
" recreate the 'war' "? Don't know what you are referring to.

I did ask earlier if we could stay on the topic of Manor - and you go and introduce a post relating to.........Meersbrook and Crookes! What next, Ecclesall?

Unless the budget doubles/triples, then no. Which is my point - even for a small £100k budget there are still options available that Lib1 should perhaps consider, and any other readers of this thread for that matter. I took the time to come up with some alternative offerings but now you're detracting from it by turning the thread into another petty squabble.

Originally posted by t020
Unless the budget doubles/triples, then no. Which is my point - even for a small £100k budget there are still options available that Lib1 should perhaps consider, and any other readers of this thread for that matter. I took the time to come up with some alternative offerings but now you're detracting from it by turning the thread into another petty squabble.

"detracting"?! Lib1 has already stated she is moving shortly to her new home, so she's not exactly looking for "alternative offerings" in Meersbrook and Crookes to live!

Just to remind you t020, this was the topic that Lib1 posted........

Originally posted by Lib1

Watched a v. interesting TV programme last night on BBC2, entitled "Britian's Best Buildings"...

... and guess which area of Sheffield was featured in the programme alongside the main focus of Hardwick Hall...

... it was MANOR (!).

Although the programme took a historical view (it was to do with Mary Queen of Scots being locked up in Manor Lodge and then later be-headed), the film crew visited the remains of the Manor Lodge and the surrounding (stunningly gorgeous!)countryside...

There wasn't a smackhead, burnt out car, or boarded-up council house in sight!

The run down council estate part of Manor is not a particularly pleasant place, but this part isn't too bad!

So, to all the Manor doubters, could you now at least agree that the ENTIRE area of the Manor is not a hell-hole?

Lib1

PS- If the Manor became 'notorious' for car crime after 'Traffic Cops' was aired... does this mean that the Manor will now become 'notorious' as an English heritage site that is steeped in history after being featured in both 'Britian's Best Buildings' and 'Restoration' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire...4/gallery.shtml)? ;-)


So the thread is not about looking for alternative properties, it is all about replying to: The Manor on TV - An utter and complete "hell hole"?

If Lib1 wanted views on house prices in other parts of the city, I'm sure she would have started a thread to that effect. Please do curb your enthusiasm for recommending house sales across the city (are you on some kind of commission?), and try to stay on topic. It would be much appreciated.

That's Manor. M-a-n-o-r. Not Crookes. Not Meersbrook. But Manor.

Lib1 - people will never stop pulling the Manor down, ever! I've lived near the Manor Park Centre shops for 14 years and it's great, there's the odd kid about (till 9pm curfew) but they don't do any harm really!
The Parklands has a high reputation, there's no riff raff in those houses.
People round here are at least friendly, ignore those who go on about muggings, t020 will never change his opinion on Manor, just like many of us will never change our opinion on him! Give the Manor a rest you lot, I can guarantee you'll all want to move here in a couple of years, GUARANTEE!

t020

"Is that property on the Parklands development? Hardly the most aesthetically pleasing building I've ever seen!"

- There's nowt wrong with the house in the pic! It's a new-build for christsakes, why are you comparing it to a musty old mouldy cottage? I prefer the look of these more traditional Parklands buildings to the new-builds in the city centre. Looks like a council house??? Please! Maybe that's what council houses look like in Ecclesall...


"PS. Where do all these rolling hills fit in central Sheffield? Or do you mean you can see out into Derbyshire in the distance?"

-The park across the road stretches right up into the hills that you can see in the distance.

Look t020, do myself and everyone else on the list a favour- go and actually visit the Parklands dev! You never know, it may even provide you with more 'ammunition' to attack me with.

And another thing.. yes the properties in the pics were a little pricey, but I and those now selling the houses, bought them off-plan for a whole lot less. For new-builds, the off-plan Parklands properties are far less expensive than the rest. I'm not comparing Parklands properties to 'old-builds'!

Lib1

Originally posted by t020
Unless the budget doubles/triples, then no.

You can get cheapish flats in Ecclessal

http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1086002/BANNE/52793/2

"You can get cheapish flats in Ecclesall http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1086002/BANNE/52793/2"

Is that an example of property in Ecclesall? Is this what YOU'VE been banging on about all the time? Looks like a block of council maisonettes to me- not too dissimilar from those at Winn Gardens in Hillborough/Middlewood.

"Hardly the most aesthetically pleasing building I've ever seen!"

Lib1 ;-)

No it's not a pleasant mini-block of flats although, strictly speaking it's in Brincliffe/Bannerdale ( http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=433000&Y=384500&width=500&height=300&gride=433141&gridn=384666&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=S119FG&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=10000&out.x=2&out.y=9 ).

Lib1 - why can't you compare new builds with "old builds"? I've shown you a lovely example which has the best of both worlds - attractive, period exterior and garden with a new, modernised interior. It's also £2000+ less, and in (what I would regard as) a nicer area.

Doesn't the imposition of a "curfew" imply that the area is rough?

Originally posted by Chloe
Lib1 - people will never stop pulling the Manor down, ever! I've lived near the Manor Park Centre shops for 14 years and it's great, there's the odd kid about (till 9pm curfew) but they don't do any harm really!
The Parklands has a high reputation, there's no riff raff in those houses.
People round here are at least friendly, ignore those who go on about muggings, t020 will never change his opinion on Manor, just like many of us will never change our opinion on him! Give the Manor a rest you lot, I can guarantee you'll all want to move here in a couple of years, GUARANTEE!

Originally posted by redrobbo
"detracting"?! Lib1 has already stated she is moving shortly to her new home, so she's not exactly looking for "alternative offerings" in Meersbrook and Crookes to live!

Just to remind you t020, this was the topic that Lib1 posted........



So the thread is not about looking for alternative properties, it is all about replying to: The Manor on TV - An utter and complete "hell hole"?

If Lib1 wanted views on house prices in other parts of the city, I'm sure she would have started a thread to that effect. Please do curb your enthusiasm for recommending house sales across the city (are you on some kind of commission?), and try to stay on topic. It would be much appreciated.

That's Manor. M-a-n-o-r. Not Crookes. Not Meersbrook. But Manor.

Everything is relative - debating the Manor being a hellhole means it must be compared, like for like, to other places so as to put it into context. I think posting alternatives is relevant. You're not a moderator - if a moderator thinks I've gone too off topic and they tell me to get back on topic then I will do so, but I won't take orders off you. Who exactly do you think you are anyway, having been on here for a month or two and suddenly thinking you own the place? I think I'll simply opt to ignore your messages in future.

Nobody said that the Manor Park Centre (where the council estate is) wasn't rough- but at least the council are trying to solve problems by imposing measures like these- As Chloe implies, thing's are better in that area since the curfew was imposed.

As Arbourthorne is nearby, I assume that the curfew applies to kids in that area too (which should be good news for those on the NP dev)

Besides, if I remember correctly (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong!), Meersbrook has a 9pm curfew for kids as well- and I wouldn't call Meersbrook rough.

Lib1

Originally posted by t020
strictly speaking it's in Brincliffe/Bannerdale

LOL - Better tell Blundells then, they have it as Ecclessal.

"Lib1 - why can't you compare new builds with "old builds"? I've shown you a lovely example which has the best of both worlds - attractive, period exterior and garden with a new, modernised interior. It's also £2000+ less, and in (what I would regard as) a nicer area."

t020- you don't get it, do you? All of the posts that we've locked horns about have started with a thread from someone with a query about a NEW-BUILD! Look back over all of my posts on the topic of Parklands- they've all been related to new-build developments. When someone asks about the NP dev or Parklands- you immediately point them to old stone cottages and the like!

In the future, when I'm OLDER (like you, I suspect), yes- of course I'd like to move into a 'proper' 'old-build' home- but while I'm in my 20's- new-build is a hassle free (putting aside snag lists, for the mo!) and more exciting prospect! No worries about mould, damp, subsidence, modernisation, dodgy electrics, dry rot, outdoor toilets etc!

I'm sure that the same is true of those choosing to live in new-builds although the same amount of money could purchase a family type 'old-build'.

It's a young lifestyle choice- the fact that you haven't picked up on that just shows that you're out of touch.

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
"Lib1 - why can't you compare new builds with "old builds"? I've shown you a lovely example which has the best of both worlds - attractive, period exterior and garden with a new, modernised interior. It's also £2000+ less, and in (what I would regard as) a nicer area."

t020- you don't get it, do you? All of the posts that we've locked horns about have started with a thread from someone with a query about a NEW-BUILD! Look back over all of my posts on the topic of Parklands- they've all been related to new-build developments. When someone asks about the NP dev or Parklands- you immediately point them to old stone cottages and the like!

In the future, when I'm OLDER (like you, I suspect), yes- of course I'd like to move into a 'proper' 'old-build' home- but while I'm in my 20's- new-build is a hassle free (putting aside snag lists, for the mo!) and more exciting prospect! No worries about mould, damp, subsidence, modernisation, dodgy electrics, dry rot, outdoor toilets etc!

I'm sure that the same is true of those choosing to live in new-builds although the same amount of money could purchase a family type 'old-build'.

It's a young lifestyle choice- the fact that you haven't picked up on that just shows that you're out of touch.

Lib1

I'm actually 23 and I prefer the style of "old builds". Better build quality, more aesthetically pleasing, larger room dimensions, etc. The examples I pointed to are modernised inside, meaning that they will be as "hassle free" as a new build (although hassle free new builds is a questionable assumption - poor build quality often leads to plenty of hassle). There are plenty more young people making the "young lifestyle choice" of living in old terraced houses in Crookes than living in new builds next to the Manor estate. I guess you're out of touch...

Originally posted by nick2
LOL - Better tell Blundells then, they have it as Ecclessal.

They often cite the Wards Brewery development as "Ecclesall" despite Ecclesall being 2.5 miles away. Estate agents will always do what they can to talk up a property and get a few extra K on the asking price. Look at the questionable creation of the area called "Upper Fulwood" by estate agents.

Originally posted by t020
They often cite the Wards Brewery development as "Ecclesall" despite Ecclesall being 2.5 miles away. Estate agents will always do what they can to talk up a property and get a few extra K on the asking price. Look at the questionable creation of the area called "Upper Fulwood" by estate agents.

Would that be Crosspool or there abouts?
I've also noticed that Dore is a fantastically large area (according to estate agents).
Obviously people from Sheffield won't fall for it but they are realy conning outsiders who don't know which area is which.

Originally posted by nick2
Would that be Crosspool or there abouts?
I've also noticed that Dore is a fantastically large area (according to estate agents).
Obviously people from Sheffield won't fall for it but they are realy conning outsiders who don't know which area is which.

They usually use it for parts of Lodge Moor. I agree about conning newcomers to the city - there really should be some kind of regulation surrounding it.

Originally posted by t020
They usually use it for parts of Lodge Moor. I agree about conning newcomers to the city - there really should be some kind of regulation surrounding it.

People would go mad if they did that, imagin thinking you live somewhere posh until they say "sorry, that area ends two roads away", some people would be devastated.

Originally posted by t020
No it's not a pleasant mini-block of flats although, strictly speaking it's in Brincliffe/Bannerdale ( http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=433000&Y=384500&width=500&height=300&gride=433141&gridn=384666&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=S119FG&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=10000&out.x=2&out.y=9 ).

Which one is it to be, Brincliffe or Bannerdale? It can't be in both, unless it traverses the border – in which case I feel it should be pointed out which particular rooms are in Brincliffe and which are in Bannerdale.

In the interests of accuracy I need to know :)

t020- I'm shocked! You talk like an old man!

23 and living in Ecclesall with your own flashy car??? Do you still live with your parents? Did your parents buy your house for you?

I always thought it was odd that you don't seem to have lived anywhere on the planet except for in Ecclesall...

If you are independent, then what kind of job do you have? Is it legal?... If it is above board, then I need to change my career!!!

OR maybe after mortgage and car bills, you are completely skint most of the time...?

"(1)Better build quality, (2)more aesthetically pleasing, (3)larger room dimensions, etc. "

Point one- Many 'old-builds' were built before there were proper building regulations, so I don't think so! Besides, I'm sure that many of the probs now found on snagging lists for new-builds were also encountered in 'old-builds' when they were first built. Anything new and untested is likely to have probs!

Point two-Row upon row of old terraced houses???- yeah, absolutely beautiful! ;-)

Point three- The two-up, two-down terraces are usually quite small and need extensions (especially when you need to fit an indoor toilet and bathroom!).

New-builds do have some 'snagging' problems, but the upside is that you don't need to spend time or money on modernising them, they're more energy efficient, they're built to strict building regulations and you can decorate them to your own taste without having to strip wallpaper or knock down dividing walls etc.

'Old-builds' are far from problem free and whereas most new-builds are NHBC insured against defects for the first 10 years, if something's not picked up by a building survey, it's down to the new owners to sort out (often expensive!!!) problems in 'old-builds'.

In the end, though. I guess it's down to personal preference.

In the future, if I stay in Shef, I will probably end up in an 'old-build' in Crookes/Broomhill... but for the meantime, I want to live in a brand new apartment, keep my mortgage costs as low as possible and save (in high interest savings accounts) towards a future house deposit. This way, just by breaking even with my Parklands apartment, in two years, I'll easily be able to afford a 3 bed in Crookes.

With the housing market the way it seems to be going, ploughing money directly into property (no matter what area it is in!) and then hoping to make a good return after you have sold it, may not be too wise.

Lib1

Hi guys great thread!

This falls in with this thread, but I am looking for a copy of a programme which ran in either the 70's or 80's (believe it was the 80's) called On The Manor.

Apparantly it was a documentary which included views of buildings and pubs and interviews with the folk that lived at the time on the estate(s).

I was wondering if anyone knew where I can find a copy?

I have tried Channel 4 who made the programme but are unable to let me have a copy as it was never released!

Any ideas or suggestions would be great as I would realy like to get my hands on a copy!

Swiller.

The curfews made things a lot better round here, saying that, it wasn't THAT bad before, where I live anyways. Don't tell me Ecclesall hasn't got it's idiots, it has, I've worked up there so I know - maybe a curfew would do that lot good. Ecclesall has this opinion that we're all yobs so I'm sure I don't need to tell you what we think of Ecclesall!
Like I said, we're working towards building a brighter future round here. Dull old Ecclesall!

Lib1 - Firstly, my personal details are of no concern to you.

Secondly, RE: Old Builds Vs New Builds - yes it is personal preference, but:

1) Better build quality - houses today are made much more cheaply (plasterboard interior walls, cheap woods, cheap slates/tiles, etc etc.

2) More aesthetically pleasing - I don't like row upon row of terraced housing either, but the property I showed you in Meersbrook was end terraced with a unique front on an attractive, leafy road. Being 19th century it is plenty of period features which most people prefer over modern cheap immitations (immitated rose bowl light surrounds, mock-period fireplaces, etc)

3) Larger room dimensions - older houses, in general, do have larger dimensions, particularly in the height department. Bedrooms and living rooms tend to be larger, although kitchens can be smaller. This wasn't the case in the example I referred you to though - the kitchen area included dining facilities and is much larger than the kitchen in the Parklands' house.

No need to insult, it was simply a question...

Originally posted by Chloe
The curfews made things a lot better round here, saying that, it wasn't THAT bad before, where I live anyways. Don't tell me Ecclesall hasn't got it's idiots, it has, I've worked up there so I know - maybe a curfew would do that lot good. Ecclesall has this opinion that we're all yobs so I'm sure I don't need to tell you what we think of Ecclesall!
Like I said, we're working towards building a brighter future round here. Dull old Ecclesall!

Libby, honey,

Time to give it a rest perhaps? You like Parklands - cool. Move in and enjoy it. This constant marketing of where you live is doing my head in.

Or perhaps if you have some sort of uncontrollable reflex to market things, there is a whole big career opportunity that awaits you...

t020 if people wanna live in Manor, and they're happy why not leave em to it? We all know that you live in the most wonderful part of Sheffield so you must also be happy.


Peter

Originally posted by E-Man Groovin
t020 if people wanna live in Manor, and they're happy why not leave em to it?

I'm happy if they're happy. I was just kindly pointing out that a low budget doesn't have to mean living next to the Manor estate. Alternative options are there for (if not Lib1) anyone reading the thread.

Originally posted by Lib1
Nobody said that the Manor Park Centre (where the council estate is) wasn't rough- but at least the council are trying to solve problems by imposing measures like these- As Chloe implies, thing's are better in that area since the curfew was imposed.

As Arbourthorne is nearby, I assume that the curfew applies to kids in that area too (which should be good news for those on the NP dev)

Besides, if I remember correctly (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong!), Meersbrook has a 9pm curfew for kids as well- and I wouldn't call Meersbrook rough.

Lib1

I would like to set the record straight.

A dispersal order was imposed by the police in both Meersbrook and Manor (though on different dates). The orders have been lifted, and no longer apply.

No dispersal order has been imposed by the police in Arbourthorne.


Originally posted by t020
Everything is relative - debating the Manor being a hellhole means it must be compared, like for like, to other places so as to put it into context. I think posting alternatives is relevant. You're not a moderator - if a moderator thinks I've gone too off topic and they tell me to get back on topic then I will do so, but I won't take orders off you.


Fair point t020. You haven't been given any orders by me (you do seem to have a fixation with war don't you?) only helpful suggestions to stay on topic. I'm really trying to protect you from yourself, as all this house sales stuff you keep promoting makes you sound like an estate agent - and we all know what a bad reputation they have. No-one believes a word they say!
Originally posted by t020

Who exactly do you think you are anyway, having been on here for a month or two and suddenly thinking you own the place? I think I'll simply opt to ignore your messages in future.

How do you know what I am thinking? Are you clairvoyant? Gosh, that is a real talent - folk pays £sss at the circus or fair to have their thoughts read. You could set up a tent and make a killing.

If you do know my thoughts......bet you're blushing right now!:blush:

Why did I insult then?

t020- "Lib1 - Firstly, my personal details are of no concern to you. "... your silence speaks volumes!


E-Man Grooving...

"Libby, honey,

Time to give it a rest perhaps? You like Parklands - cool. Move in and enjoy it. This constant marketing of where you live is doing my head in."

The purpose of this particular discussion thread was to highlight that not ALL of the Manor is dodgy... Parklands is just a part of the wider issue.

If you are irritated by my posts, the solution is simple... don't read them!

Lib1

PS- You never replied to the issue of Arbourthorne.

Originally posted by Lib1
PS- You never replied to the issue of Arbourthorne.

What issue? The one inside your head? I live here. There is no issue honey.

To E-Man Grooving

You said... "Finally Lib 1 the small cluster of housing association properties to the north of NP should not be compared to Manor because (a) there are not that many of them (b) a number of them are currently being demolished (c) once the lease on the old NP shops expires (2006/2007) new shops will be built in this area (d) I wanna buy that pub and turn it into Sheffield's best chill out lounge as it has lovely views over the city..."

My reply dated 16-05-2005 09:55 AM on the Norfolk Park areas: good/bad thread: "... erm... what about the Arbourthorne estate??? It's as close the the NP development as the Manor council area is close to Parklands"

When originally looking to buy a house last year, our search was v. broad, we looked at properties everywhere from Hillsborough to Hackenthorpe (t020- the houses in Hillsborough which were within our budget were in need of serious modernisation). During our travels, we had a look at a couple of ex-council properties on Dagnam Road and Arbourthorne Road- the houses themselves were fine, but the area wasn't particularly great.

My point in raising this is that the Parklands development is met warily because of the nearby council estate, however the NP dev also has a large council estate nearby (with boarded up houses etc), but no one seem to acknowledge this fact.

Actually, my argument about Parklands vs Norfolk Park in price is now over because I've noticed that the properties (well the two bed apartments, anyway!) on the NP and Parkland dev have become v. similar in price:

NP two bed flat £94,950: http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1086014/PARKG/49765/14

Parklands two bed flat £92,000: http://www.vebra.com/home/search/vdetails.asp?src=agent&fd=693&bd=0&db=1&cl=2690&pid=9488226

BTW- Stop calling me 'honey'.

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1


BTW- Stop calling me 'honey'.

Lib1

Sorry Honey. Won't do it again ;-)

All of this is irrelevant to me. I like where I live and I'm planning on being here for a while. You can dig around in the Norfolk Park sewers and report back on their state for all I care. It makes no difference to me.

"All of this is irrelevant to me." I couldn't agree with you more! The info was originally meant for March, but you and BertieBasset took it upon yourselves to jump down my throat about it, so I felt the need to defend myself!

I have nothing against the NP dev, I never really did! The only thing I said is that they seemed v. overpriced and they are not as 'pretty'.

The price issue (for the two-bed apartments at least) is now over as the flats are basically the same price as the Parklands ones (instead of costing about £20,000 (!) more).

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
"All of this is irrelevant to me." I couldn't agree with you more! The info was originally meant for March, but you and BertieBasset took it upon yourselves to jump down my throat about it, so I felt the need to defend myself!

I have nothing against the NP dev, I never really did! The only thing I said is that they seemed v. overpriced and they are not as 'pretty'.

The price issue (for the two-bed apartments at least) is now over as the flats are basically the same price as the Parklands ones (instead of costing about £20,000 (!) more).

Lib1

Whatever.

you continually come across as being defensive and aggressive, if you post up opinions you do so at the risk of being challenged about them...or do you just want us all to agree with you all the time... :loopy:

Originally posted by Lib1
"All of this is irrelevant to me." I couldn't agree with you more! The info was originally meant for March, but you and BertieBasset took it upon yourselves to jump down my throat about it, so I felt the need to defend myself!

I have nothing against the NP dev, I never really did! The only thing I said is that they seemed v. overpriced and they are not as 'pretty'.

The price issue (for the two-bed apartments at least) is now over as the flats are basically the same price as the Parklands ones (instead of costing about £20,000 (!) more).

Lib1

BertieBasset, you are such a hypocrite!

You've done nothing but attack me on this thread- the worst that I've said about you is that you might fancy me!

Show me evidence of my 'agressiveness' on this thread.

All I've tried to do is explain my position.

As E-Man Grooving said (unnecessarily!) to me...

Whatever!



Lib1

Originally posted by E-Man Groovin
Whatever.

Originally posted by Lib1

Whatever !

you 2 sound like the hallamster, chill out have a mint aero :hihi: :hihi:

look for yourself, you're often aggressive towards others who don't share your opinion... Also please stop saying that I might fancy you...at best it's wishful thinking.

On this particular quote that I've highlighted below your original response was "whatever" you've now edited it to a longer response....given your criticism of E-Man Grooving who's the hypocrite now?

P.S. - "aggressiveness" is spelt like this... :clap:

Originally posted by Lib1
BertieBasset, you are such a hypocrite!

You've done nothing but attack me on this thread- the worst that I've said about you is that you might fancy me!

Show me evidence of my 'agressiveness' on this thread.

All I've tried to do is explain my position.

As E-Man Grooving said (unnecessarily!) to me...

Whatever!



Lib1

Bertie honey...

Whatever :-)

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
I have nothing against the NP dev, I never really did! The only thing I said is that they seemed v. overpriced and they are not as 'pretty'.



Prettiness is subjective. IMO the houses I've seen from photos of the Parklands development are anything but pretty!!!

Originally posted by BertieBasset
you continually come across as being defensive and aggressive, if you post up opinions you do so at the risk of being challenged about them...or do you just want us all to agree with you all the time... :loopy:

I think the problem is she's trying to convince *herself* that the Parklands development is the bees knees because she's just spent loads of money buying there. Look through all her posts - obsessive doesn't come close.

yes I imagine all Lib1's closest friends just relish hearing the latest angle of the same old Parklands promo ad everytime they see her... :gag:

Originally posted by t020
I think the problem is she's trying to convince *herself* that the Parklands development is the bees knees because she's just spent loads of money buying there. Look through all her posts - obsessive doesn't come close.

Yeah there is a touch of the obsessive about our dear Libby. Oh well at least she's happy now that she believes the Norfolk Park properties have come down in price, and if so then that's good news for people who want somewhere that's nice to live and not too expensive (speaking as a resident so butt out Libby honey).

However her view of the price change is based on one property in one estate agent. There may be reasons for the low price. For example the seller may have bought off plan in 2003 and is taking the profit (quick sale stylee) and running.

Even if prices are flattening out, I don't know what our dear Libby is so gleeful for. I guess she is of the opinion that Parklands is its own micro-economic climate that is immune to other local price changes. Prices in Parklands will obviously continue to soar when everywhere else is flat. Yeah, right sweetie. And Hackney's an estate.

Anyway it's obviously about money for the honey - whoops not supposed to call her that (sorry) - but personally I'm o.k. in that respect, I just want somewhere nice to live.

This is gonna go on and on and I will really really really try to stop contributing to this thread (except to wind Lib1 up by calling her 'honey' every now and then :-))

t020: "I prefer the style of "old builds".... more aesthetically pleasing" = hypocrite.

Me obsessive???- E-Man grooving- count the no. of posts that you've sent out 'bigging up' the NP development!

Actually, my apartment was v. low priced and because I'd saved up for a large deposit, my monthly mortgage bill is less than what most people pay for a tiny studio apartment in rent. If there is a price crash, I'll just stay where I am and I'll barely be affected :-)

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1


Me obsessive???- E-Man grooving- count the no. of posts that you've sent out 'bigging up' the NP development!

Lib1

Bahahaha! I just did.. and kids at home, you can play this game too.

Click on Lib1's profile and you'll find no less than six pages! (no lie) of postings in the 'Living in Sheffield' section of the forum. (Each page lists 25 postings)

Click on E-Man Groovin's and you'll find less than half of one page in this area.

Any views on that Lib honey?

I never denied that I was obsessive! Of course I am! I've been waiting for my apartment to be completed since last May for Christsakes!

I'm dying to move into my new place and am attempting to defend/highlight the positives of the new area that I'll be moving to by posting to this forum.

What's your excuse for arguing with me at 10.30pm on a Sat night??? You may not have as many posts as me, but you're still infatuated/obsessed with the NP dev... and the kids that are playing along with the game will easily be able to see that as well!

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
I never denied that I was obsessive!

erm:

Originally posted by Lib1
Me obsessive???

You're amassing quite a list of Lib1-isms which I'll hopefully collate and post here for the general amusement of the readers at some point.

But for the moment let's just have a chuckle at these three:

* Hackney in London is a "notorious estate"
* The land behind Parklands is National Trust
* E-Man Groovin has posted more times on this subject than Lib1.

Keep em coming old girl!

I explicitly admitted my mistake about the National District Park and I never said that you posted more messages than me... Me obsessive???= you're just as obsessive as me... look back at the content of your (oh-so-few!) posts!

"* Hackney in London is a "notorious estate""... It is more widely known as a notorious area than the Manor is even if it has now become more respectable. Calling it an 'estate' is my geographical stupidity than anything else- this point adds nothing to our debate!

Scraping the barrel dude!

Poor show!



Just face it Pete... the NP development 2 beds apartments are now virtually the same price as those on Parklands. In addiion, the council estate of Arbourthorne is as close to the NP development as the Manor council estate is close to Parklands.

This is what I have said to upset you and it is nothing but the TRUTH! Everyone following the list can see this as clearly as I can. If you want to attack me, then attack me with something of relevance!

Bring it, baby!

You're starting to worry me, at one point I thought you were a worthy opponent. You're beginning to sound as 'intelligent' as BertieBasset.

Lib1

t020: (Even though we know you prefer 'old-builds' overall...) which homes would you prefer to fork out for on the basis of 'prettiness'...

Parklands:

http://www.martinco.com/property/lettings/sheffieldsouth/mcp346

http://www.martinco.com/property/lettings/sheffieldsouth/mcp366

http://www.martinco.com/property/lettings/sheffieldsouth/mcp955

Norfolk Park development:

http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104001/PARKG/21662/2

http://212.50.188.105/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104007/PARKG/21451/7

http://212.50.188.108/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1086014/PARKG/49767/14

Rhetorical question?


Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
t020: "I prefer the style of "old builds".... more aesthetically pleasing" = hypocrite.



How on earth does that make me a "hypocrite"?! Get a grip, honey. ;)


PS. I won't bother playing your NP V Parklands game - it's obvious you've "hand picked" the most ugly buildings for NP, although I don't like the look of Parklands either.

"PS. I won't bother playing your NP V Parklands game - it's obvious you've "hand picked" the most ugly buildings for NP"

Not true! This is genuinely what the homes on the NP dev look like- if you don't believe, take a look on the estate agents websites youself or get BertieBasset and E-Man Grooving to provide you with more examples! To E-Man Grooving- hey, man-even I didn't go as far as describing the NP dev homes as 'ugly'.

"How on earth does that make me a "hypocrite"?! Get a grip, honey" It makes you a hypocrite because you gave me a lecture on the subjectivity of 'prettiness' and yet you described old-builds as better looking than new-builds.

Guys, come on!

Yer making this too easy for me!

Lib1

Lib1 lives in her own world, where she rants about the price differential between NP and Parklands properties only to find there isn't a noticeable one, she believes there's a National Park at Manor, curfews in Arbourthorne and that t020 is an old man... :loopy:

On top of that she has the misplaced vanity to think those who reply to posts "fancy her", her spelling is well and truly up the spout and once she reads her posts and realises how purile they seem she goes back to correct them... :suspect:

Oh are they the men in the white coats I see.... :hihi: So what are we making so easy for you your own deluded view of life...? :loopy:

Originally posted by Lib1
"PS. I won't bother playing your NP V Parklands game - it's obvious you've "hand picked" the most ugly buildings for NP"

Not true! This is genuinely what the homes on the NP dev look like- if you don't believe, take a look on the estate agents websites youself or get BertieBasset and E-Man Grooving to provide you with more examples! To E-Man Grooving- hey, man-even I didn't go as far as describing the NP dev homes as 'ugly'.

"How on earth does that make me a "hypocrite"?! Get a grip, honey" It makes you a hypocrite because you gave me a lecture on the subjectivity of 'prettiness' and yet you described old-builds as better looking than new-builds.

Guys, come on!

Yer making this too easy for me!

Lib1

Lib1:
I'm sorry but now you seem to be trying to drag down our estate....again! (i thought you had moved on from this) :(

In addiion, the council estate of Arbourthorne is as close to the NP development as the Manor council estate is close to Parklands.

Ermm....How do you work that out?
The Arbourthorne estate is 'quite' close to the new builds on Norfolk Park, but the Parklands estate is slap bang in the middle of the Manor :?
Even the estate agents are trying to get away from this fact. Two of them are stating the address as City Rd.... A blatant lie!

Originally posted by Lib1

"How on earth does that make me a "hypocrite"?! Get a grip, honey" It makes you a hypocrite because you gave me a lecture on the subjectivity of 'prettiness' and yet you described old-builds as better looking than new-builds.


What?! Yes it is subjective, and in my opinion old builds generally look nicer. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. Get a dictionary, "honey".

Once again... squabbles.

To end this, here is the long and short of it...

IMO I believed that the NP dev 2 bed apartments were overpriced in comparison the
Parklands ones.

This is because IMO they are not as pretty and they ARE JUST AS CLOSE to council estate housing as the Parklands dev is (Vidster- please don't deny the existence of the council esatate at the top of the NP dev nr to the NP dentist AS WELL AS the Arbourthorne estate which is ACROSS THE ROAD!)

Everyone knows that the Parklands is in Manor and that Manor generally has a bad rep- Vidster, this is not bringing down the Parklands, it's stating the obvious! The Parklands homes are low priced accordingly- this is fine- I got myself a great flat at a low cost. The thing that bugged me about the NP dev is that no one (including the residents) acknowledged its close proximity to council housing... and they couldn't explain what was so special about the dev (ie- why they were so goddamn expensive!)

Well, as I've shown earlier, this issue is now over as the normal (non-duplex) 2 bed NP dev apartments on the Blundells website are now basically the same price as those being sold on the Parklands dev.

*The fact that Parklands and the NP dev are in close proximity to council housing does not mean that they are unsafe or crimeridden (just to help clarify things, Vidster- read back over my posts).
****************

On sites such as Saxton Mee and Spencers, 2 bed NP flats are still being sold for £114.000-£118.000. This is exactly the same price that they were selling for a year ago AND some of them have been sitting on the websites since Dec 04/Jan 05.

Some of the homes being sold on the Parklands are in a similar position- the longest have been sitting on estate agents sites since Feb 05 (This is in ref to the homes completed since July 04- those that were built 2-3 years ago still sell like hotcakes- probably because of their lower price)

In both cases these 'second-hand' homes may be suffering due to the fact that both Parklands and the NP dev are being extended- the off-plan homes are usually less pricey than the 'second-hand' ones.

The future will tell...

That's basically it! That's what all the NP dev vs Parklands saga has been about.

Calm down people!


Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
I explicitly admitted my mistake about the National District Park and I never said that you posted more messages than me... Me obsessive???= you're just as obsessive as me... look back at the content of your (oh-so-few!) posts!

"* Hackney in London is a "notorious estate""... It is more widely known as a notorious area than the Manor is even if it has now become more respectable. Calling it an 'estate' is my geographical stupidity than anything else- this point adds nothing to our debate!

Scraping the barrel dude!

Poor show!



Just face it Pete... the NP development 2 beds apartments are now virtually the same price as those on Parklands. In addiion, the council estate of Arbourthorne is as close to the NP development as the Manor council estate is close to Parklands.

This is what I have said to upset you and it is nothing but the TRUTH! Everyone following the list can see this as clearly as I can. If you want to attack me, then attack me with something of relevance!

Bring it, baby!

You're starting to worry me, at one point I thought you were a worthy opponent. You're beginning to sound as 'intelligent' as BertieBasset.

Lib1

The two key words in the above post are 'mistake' and 'stupidity'.

Can we stop this. Let's be friends. Why don't Vidster, Bertie, you and I all go to the pub and have a proper row about it. At least we won't bore the pants off the other forum users.

Mods! Close this thread!

http://212.50.188.108/cgi-win/vebra.../PARKG/49767/14

^^^ Was posted by Lib earlier as "proof" that NP prices are falling.

However, I know that paticular flat - it's on the ground floor (the advert is wrong) and it backs onto the car park and rubbish bin area. I think that's why it's cheaper, and this one flat is not indicitive of a trend of falling prices.

This is because IMO they are not as pretty and they ARE JUST AS CLOSE to council estate housing as the Parklands dev is (Vidster- please don't deny the existence of the council esatate at the top of the NP dev nr to the NP dentist AS WELL AS the Arbourthorne estate which is ACROSS THE ROAD!)

Deny the extistance of the council estate? At which point did i deny the existance if any council estate Lib1?
I only pointed out that the Arbourthorne estate is not as close to the new builds on NP as the Manor estate is to Parklands :rolleyes:
INFACT.....Council/local authority houses and private houses sit side by side on NP.
I don't think i've mentioned this before but i actually live in one of the local authority houses on NP, and have done for just over 3 years. Now i fully intend to take advantage of my discount and purchase this house :wink:
That isn't something i would be saying if i lived on the Manor estate i'm afraid.

"The two key words in the above post are 'mistake' and 'stupidity'"

I admit to the mistakes that I make- this is not a crime.

Just because your overpriced, ugly homes are becoming less 'hot' and starting to fall in price... don't come bitching about it to me ;-)

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
"The two key words in the above post are 'mistake' and 'stupidity'"

I admit to the mistakes that I make- this is not a crime.

Just because your overpriced, ugly homes are becoming less 'hot' and starting to fall in price... don't come bitching about it to me ;-)

Lib1

Go on Lib admit to being stupid as well. Please... I promise not to call you "honey" any more if you do...

where's the evidence that NP houses are falling in price? The two flats up for sale at £95K with Blundells that have been referred to were originally sold "off plan" at well below that price as an earlier part of the development.

Something bought for less, now advertised for more constitutes a price rise....or is this just another of your "mistakes" Lib1? :confused:


Originally posted by Lib1
"The two key words in the above post are 'mistake' and 'stupidity'"

I admit to the mistakes that I make- this is not a crime.

Just because your overpriced, ugly homes are becoming less 'hot' and starting to fall in price... don't come bitching about it to me ;-)

Lib1

I told you not to come bitching to me, so I haven't read your replies to my 'scandalous' last post.

Got a game for you- it's real easy!

1. Check out the NP dev properties currently on Blundells, Saxton Mee, etc (bear in mind that some of these properties have been lurking on these websites for months)

2. Make a list of these properties and note down the current asking prices

3. Check prices and 'for sale' status of the properties on your list on a regular basis

4. Be concerned.

When I've made mistakes in the past, I have admitted to them. I am also very honest and having done the above procedures for Parklands 'for sale' properties, I can say that the 'second-hand' homes are facing similar probs to the NP dev ones.

As I stated earlier, as both of the devs also have (often lower priced) 'off-plan' properties for sale- this may be affecting the sales of the 'second hand' homes... or it may be a result of a slowdown in the general property market.

Lib1

yes we all REALLY believe that you haven't read the replies to your previous post given that this post seems a direct response to the last one I posted.... :nod:

Once again you've got things TOTALLY wrong. At the moment there are some "off plan" properties for sale at Norfolk Park that have yet to be sold; apartments at around £118,000 and 3 bed houses at around £130,500 these are in excess of any price of "resales" on the development that are currently being advertised by any estate agent....

Consequently this quote by you, "As I stated earlier, as both of the devs also have (often lower priced) 'off-plan' properties for sale- this may be affecting the sales of the 'second hand' homes... or it may be a result of a slowdown in the general property market" is completely wrong. To the amused neutral observer your credibility is lurking at an all time low, not that it's ever been high! :loopy:

Ready to eat some more humble pie? You've really had your fill of it recently haven't you.... :blush:

Originally posted by Lib1
I told you not to come bitching to me, so I haven't read your replies to my 'scandalous' last post.

Got a game for you- it's real easy!

1. Check out the NP dev properties currently on Blundells, Saxton Mee, etc (bear in mind that some of these properties have been lurking on these websites for months)

2. Make a list of these properties and note down the current asking prices

3. Check prices and 'for sale' status of the properties on your list on a regular basis

4. Be concerned.

When I've made mistakes in the past, I have admitted to them. I am also very honest and having done the above procedures for Parklands 'for sale' properties, I can say that the 'second-hand' homes are facing similar probs to the NP dev ones.

As I stated earlier, as both of the devs also have (often lower priced) 'off-plan' properties for sale- this may be affecting the sales of the 'second hand' homes... or it may be a result of a slowdown in the general property market.

Lib1

Bertie-

The operative word in this statement is MAY!: "As I stated earlier, as both of the devs also have (often lower priced) 'off-plan' properties for sale- this MAY be affecting the sales of the 'second hand' homes... or it MAY be a result of a slowdown in the general property market." I made a speculation on what I have observed.

If what you're saying is true (that many of the NP dev homes that are for sale through estate agents are off-plan), then this means that the off-plan as well as the second hand homes on the NP dev are not selling very well...

... why are you so happy about this?

This was your quote....

"As I stated earlier, as both of the devs also have (often lower priced) 'off-plan' properties for sale- this may be affecting the sales of the 'second hand' homes... or it may be a result of a slowdown in the general property market."

As I previously mentioned the NP "off plan" properties are NOT lower in price than the resales....why not read things more carefully before replying in future!


Originally posted by Lib1
Bertie-

The operative word in this statement is MAY!: "As I stated earlier, as both of the devs also have (often lower priced) 'off-plan' properties for sale- this MAY be affecting the sales of the 'second hand' homes... or it MAY be a result of a slowdown in the general property market." I made a speculation on what I have observed.

If what you're saying is true (that many of the NP dev homes that are for sale through estate agents are off-plan), then this means that the off-plan as well as the second hand homes on the NP dev are not selling very well...

... why are you so happy about this?

GIVE IT A REST! There is nothing constructive left to be said. Can't you just agree to disagree, or meet up and have it out face to face. I keep looking in this thread and others in "Moving to Sheffield" in the hope of finding reasoned discussion but instead there is just petty bickering (that can't be spelt right!).

misrepresentation of the truth needs to be challenged and corrected and that is why so many people have taken issue with Lib1's slipshod comments

Erm... just had a look at: http://www.mynorfolkpark.co.uk/

Not sure how recently updated this site is, but it implies that homes on the new phase start from £69,500 (the link to current prices on the dev is curiously broken)... these are the TRUE off-plan homes prices, not the prices of those that bought the properties off-plan and then hoped to sell them on to make a profit (ie. the supposedly 'off-plan' homes that are for sale on the estate agents websites).

So... after all that bickering, it looks like I was right! Off-plan homes on the NP dev are cheaper than second-hand homes on the NP dev (whether the second-hand homes have been lived in or not!)... as you said, Bertie "misrepresentation of the truth needs to be challenged and corrected"

The end.

Lib1

ring the sales office up (0114 2787848) and you'll find that the properties available from the developer are flats at £118,000 and houses at £130,500. The £69,500 referred to the starting price of the cheapest properties when the development first began.

So once again you're wrong and once again your inaccuracies have been corrected. Maybe you should do better quality research in future.


Given your faulted approach to research it's no wonder you ended up slap bang in the middle of the Manor!

Originally posted by Lib1
Erm... just had a look at: http://www.mynorfolkpark.co.uk/

Not sure how recently updated this site is, but it implies that homes on the new phase start from £69,500 (the link to current prices on the dev is curiously broken)... these are the TRUE off-plan homes prices, not the prices of those that bought the properties off-plan and then hoped to sell them on to make a profit (ie. the supposedly 'off-plan' homes that are for sale on the estate agents websites).

So... after all that bickering, it looks like I was right! Off-plan homes on the NP dev are cheaper than second-hand homes on the NP dev (whether the second-hand homes have been lived in or not!)... as you said, Bertie "misrepresentation of the truth needs to be challenged and corrected"

The end.

Lib1

I am genuinely surprised that even the off-plans are so expensive... I still have no idea why- especially with cut-price Housing Association properties mixed in with the dev! Get someone to update the NP dev site- the £69,500 figure is ridiculously misleading!

Must be the slowdown in the housing market that's affecting the NP dev sales (my second speculation)... not good news.

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
Erm... just had a look at: http://www.mynorfolkpark.co.uk/

Not sure how recently updated this site is, but it implies that homes on the new phase start from £69,500 (the link to current prices on the dev is curiously broken)... these are the TRUE off-plan homes prices, not the prices of those that bought the properties off-plan and then hoped to sell them on to make a profit (ie. the supposedly 'off-plan' homes that are for sale on the estate agents websites).


Lib1

Lib1 is talking garbage (again). The figure quoted on the website is the minimum original off plan price of 2003. I go to the sales office all the time to chew the fat. There's nothing for sale at anywhere near that figure. Bertie is quite right. We're quite fed up with bigmouth Libby peddling myriad innacuracies as if they were truth for the sole reason of trying to talk down the value of NP.

Why are you doing this? Leave Norfolk Park alone. Concentrate on where you live. How nasty and mean-minded of you trying to diss an area where people are happily living and where some families have invested money. Will you only be happy when these people are in a negative equity situation. Talk up Parklands by all means but don't do down areas where you don't even live.

Such actions are stupid and thoughtless Lib1.

I've just had an offer excepted on Park Grange!
From the point of view of a Born and bred Sheffielder I can say I'm looking forward to it. Perhaps 5 - 10 years ago I wouldn't have considered it but it's a different story now.

The arguments which have blazed on about parklands and park grange are silly. I for one wouldn't consider the parklands even if they were 80 grand cheaper (no offence), the location for me is not to my liking.

Chri5- Well, I wouldn't pay over £110, 000 for a pokey two-bed apartment on a tacky looking new-build dev in Norfolk Park...

Check back over Bertie's posts on this thread, why are you suddenly being 'holier than thou'- he was the one that made the first 'swipe' at the Parklands dev.

We'll agree to disagree.

My position about the NP dev hasn't changed a bit.

Originally posted by Lib1

My position about the NP dev hasn't changed a bit.

That's cool Lib, I mean why let reality get in the way of an entrenched and completely erroneous viewpoint eh?

Originally posted by Lib1
Chri5- Well, I wouldn't pay over £110, 000 for a pokey two-bed apartment on a tacky looking new-build dev in Norfolk Park...


Neither would I! :thumbsup:

Welcome to Norfolk Park Chris5!
There seem to be quite a few of us on here who live on the new estate - perhaps we should arrange a meet? Just think of the community spirit that could develop if everyone on here knew each other in 'real life' - it could be like neighbours!!! I don't really know anyone on our estate in real life, and it's a bit lonely, it would be nice to see people in the street and have a chat!

Originally posted by lycraclad
Welcome to Norfolk Park Chris5!
There seem to be quite a few of us on here who live on the new estate - perhaps we should arrange a meet?

Yes, I'll be up for that! It'll be a while yet before I move in though.

E-Man I keep meaning to go down to the trippets bar on wednesday night sounds like a good night?!?

Originally posted by lycraclad
Welcome to Norfolk Park Chris5!
There seem to be quite a few of us on here who live on the new estate - perhaps we should arrange a meet? Just think of the community spirit that could develop if everyone on here knew each other in 'real life' - it could be like neighbours!!! I don't really know anyone on our estate in real life, and it's a bit lonely, it would be nice to see people in the street and have a chat!

I'm having at party at mine soon.. maybe I could send out a few PM invites!

Originally posted by Lib1

So, to all the Manor doubters, could you now at least agree that the ENTIRE area of the Manor is not a hell-hole?

Yep, you might have won me over there. I have had my fair say on the Manor in the past, but after some of the 'local' events at Hackenthorpe recently, it just shows that no matter how well you know somewhere, you never know everything.

All I can add is, we all live in Sheffield, and it's good to find positive things to say on ANY area in our home city.

I'm on NP as well (well most of my stuff is and i'll be there from Sat)... right near the end of Park Grange Mount, so if any fellow NP'ers wish to be sociable and say hello to the big baldy-heeded bloke in the black car then i'll be pleased to say a big hello back.

given that no-one's heard anything from Lib1 recently are we to assume that her flat in Manor has been burgled and her computer's been nicked..... :hihi: :banana:

< smurk> bertie that tickled me.
been watchin tthis thread but stopped posting after lib1 pointed out she ant got spells or protection like me to keep her safe PMSL i tried tellin her it was more like me fella threatning death and decapitation tho :D

i live on viking lea and for some weird reason its gone round the estate im a devil worshipper :hihi:

"given that no-one's heard anything from Lib1 recently are we to assume that her flat in Manor has been burgled and her computer's been nicked..... "

Wishful thinking!

Actually, I've been busy decorating my new pad and laughing at the NP dev each time that I pass it on the tram ;-)

Lib1

i guess bars across the windows is the next job....

Honey, even with bars on the windows- my home would still look better than yours ;-)

By the look of the kids hanging about near the NP dev- I suggest that you should look into extra security measures

Lib1

I know a number of people who live on the development and there isn't any crime, good luck fitting the bars..... :banana:

No Crime? How long did it take from them to survey everyone who lives there? Is Zero crime a new UK record not heard anywhere with it that low before?

I saw some new posts in this thread so popped in to see if there was some intersting discussion. How silly am I :hihi:

Hey March-

I was just about to say the same as you, but you beat me to it!

If Bertie's happy to pay a ridiculously high price to live on the zero crime (!) NP dev, then let him be! The way the housing market is at the moment, I'm glad that I opted for a less expensive home- if there is a crash, I will hardly be affected.

Just for the record- there will be no bars on my windows- as far as I can tell, none of the other homes on the Parklands dev has them either.

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
Just for the record- there will be no bars on my windows- as far as I can tell, none of the other homes on the Parklands dev has them either.


Hi Lib,

as you know, I live on Norfolk Park. I also looked at Parklands houses but decided Norfolk Park suited me better. I'm not sure why you have to slag this area off. You get upset when t020 slags the manor off, yet you do the same to my home. :confused:

With regards to Parklands, one of the things that put me off was, on the opposite side of Prince of Wales road is some old council houses. They look like they're being demolished, but a couple of times I drove past and houses were on fire. This concerned me a bit, does it concern you?

I've not seen these gangs of youths you talk about in Norfolk Park - just a few kids playing football. But if we do have gangs, they'll be no worse than the gangs you get all over the city, including in Ecclesall, Dore and indeed on the Manor.

I hope you're as happy in your new home as I am.

Originally posted by Andy

I've not seen these gangs of youths you talk about in Norfolk Park - just a few kids playing football. But if we do have gangs, they'll be no worse than the gangs you get all over the city, including in Ecclesall, Dore and indeed on the Manor.


I'd feel a lot less intimidated walking past a group of young people in Ecclesall or Dore than I would on the Manor!! On one of the few occasions I have driven past the Manor there was a group of youths at the road side aiming small bricks and stones at passing cars. The crime figures support me in my intuitive feelings too. I won't comment RE: NP since I've not really been there.

Originally posted by Lib1
Hey March-

I was just about to say the same as you, but you beat me to it!

If Bertie's happy to pay a ridiculously high price to live on the zero crime (!) NP dev, then let him be! The way the housing market is at the moment, I'm glad that I opted for a less expensive home- if there is a crash, I will hardly be affected.

Just for the record- there will be no bars on my windows- as far as I can tell, none of the other homes on the Parklands dev has them either.

Lib1

Hey Lib1 nice to hear you have finally moved in... and hey i have news for you too... I now live there too :) moved in about 5 weeks ago... brand new house of course just like your brand new pad... minus the bars... Sounds like your settling in nicely shame its taken so long huh... PM let me know where abouts you are...

All the best for ya new pad without bars! :)

"Hi Lib,

as you know, I live on Norfolk Park. I also looked at Parklands houses but decided Norfolk Park suited me better. I'm not sure why you have to slag this area off. You get upset when t020 slags the manor off, yet you do the same to my home."

Andy- Look back over the posts on this discussion topic- you will see that it was Bertie that began 'dissing' the Parklands dev- I could have quietly taken the rubbish that he was spouting or I could have pointed out the not so great points of the NP dev to shut him up... me being me, I chose the latter. E-Man Grooving et al have got on my case about my posts about the NP dev without saying anything about Bertie's part to play in the saga- not very fair.

Anyway- I seriously don't care! I've finally got my new place and I'm happy and in the end that all that matters. As I said in my last post, if Bertie (and the NP dev bunch) are happy in their homes, then let them be.

Angel05- Great to hear that you finally managed to get a place on Parklands! I hope that you will be as happy as I am with your new home.

Lib1

that reminds me,,i wear black nail polish often.One day was waiting in the chiropractors rooms when next client came in & she booked in at the desk, then sat down opposite me.She suddenly said oh & jumped up & very quickly went out.The receptionist thought she was ill so she followed her.
Receptionist after a couple of minutes came back in & was laughing her head off & looked at me & said,"you are scaring our clients away", i shocked said who me, what did I do.
She said that woman thinks you are a black witch 'cos of your nail polish!!
The woman would not return until I had seen chiro & gone away in my car. (she probably had them get an exorcist in too :):):)
cheers shawn in west oz.




Originally posted by Litha
ahhhh true true, i never actually thort about it that way.
mind you i heard rumours they were calling me a devil worshipper... heehee i thought that was most funny, i was going to get some chicken feets off the market and tie em out side my door but decided it might be a bad idea :hihi: :hihi: :heyhey:

its funny when they behave like that isnt it spunkee. i suppose we should take offence really and pull the * you shouldnt judge a book by its cover* thing, but hey its so much fun playing them at their own game :heyhey: :heyhey:

you've consistently been highlighted as as the one spouting inaccuracies, the rest of us have been correcting your skewed comments...

Originally posted by Lib1
"Hi Lib,

as you know, I live on Norfolk Park. I also looked at Parklands houses but decided Norfolk Park suited me better. I'm not sure why you have to slag this area off. You get upset when t020 slags the manor off, yet you do the same to my home."

Andy- Look back over the posts on this discussion topic- you will see that it was Bertie that began 'dissing' the Parklands dev- I could have quietly taken the rubbish that he was spouting or I could have pointed out the not so great points of the NP dev to shut him up... me being me, I chose the latter. E-Man Grooving et al have got on my case about my posts about the NP dev without saying anything about Bertie's part to play in the saga- not very fair.

Anyway- I seriously don't care! I've finally got my new place and I'm happy and in the end that all that matters. As I said in my last post, if Bertie (and the NP dev bunch) are happy in their homes, then let them be.

Angel05- Great to hear that you finally managed to get a place on Parklands! I hope that you will be as happy as I am with your new home.

Lib1

red sky at night Manor alight! :hihi:

Originally posted by Andy
Hi Lib,

as you know, I live on Norfolk Park. I also looked at Parklands houses but decided Norfolk Park suited me better. I'm not sure why you have to slag this area off. You get upset when t020 slags the manor off, yet you do the same to my home. :confused:

With regards to Parklands, one of the things that put me off was, on the opposite side of Prince of Wales road is some old council houses. They look like they're being demolished, but a couple of times I drove past and houses were on fire. This concerned me a bit, does it concern you?

I've not seen these gangs of youths you talk about in Norfolk Park - just a few kids playing football. But if we do have gangs, they'll be no worse than the gangs you get all over the city, including in Ecclesall, Dore and indeed on the Manor.

I hope you're as happy in your new home as I am.

no it was only the sausages on fire on our BBQ :hihi:

sounds like they were big sausages.... :hihi:

no not really its just that we used car tyres insteada charcoals :D :heyhey:

Going well so far I see Lib1 - http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=497777#post497777 :hihi:

Reputations develop for a reason and an area doesn't change just by sticking a new housing development in it. Newcomers to Sheffield - take heed.

Originally posted by t020
Going well so far I see Lib1 - http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=497777#post497777 :hihi:

Reputations develop for a reason and an area doesn't change just by sticking a new housing development in it. Newcomers to Sheffield - take heed.
And you seem to be taking great delight in the fact t020 :nono:
Should we ignore the guy who was stabbed while house hunting up Ecclesall Rd?

Originally posted by vidster
And you seem to be taking great delight in the fact t020 :nono:
Should we ignore the guy who was stabbed while house hunting up Ecclesall Rd?


It's up to you - Ecclesall Rd isn't in Ecclesall anyway. :P

The point is, I warned Lib1, along with several others, time and again, but she just wouldn't listen. I hope for her sake that stuff like that doesn't carry on, but unfortunately I think it will.

What are you talking about? The hyperlink wasn't working (or I've been denied access to it for some reason).

My place and the surrounding development is untouched... minor acts of vandalism have occured on the unoccupied parts of the dev that are still under construction, but that's about it. I still wouldn't pay and extra £30,000 (or whatever the price diff is now) to live in the Norfolk Park dev.

The guy who was attacked whilst house hunting was actually in Ecclesall and not on Eccy Road- I saw the news article a few months ago, but couldn't be bothered to rub t020's face in it at the time.

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
The guy who was attacked whilst house hunting was actually in Ecclesall and not on Eccy Road- I saw the news article a few months ago, but couldn't be bothered to rub t020's face in it at the time.


I bet you £100 he was just outside Ecclesall.

Hey Nick2- Can you access t020's hyperlink? (it's apparently regarding dodgy goings on on the Parklands dev)

No I can't.
I wouldn't bother it's probably about someone stealing a bike or some other horrible crime that doesn't happen in Ecklessal.

the attack happened in the road behind Napoleons, opposite Ecclesall Rd, that's not Ecclesall more like Greystones, not even as far up as Banner Cross....I can see Lib1 is as reliably accurate as usual.... :gag:

Originally posted by Lib1
What are you talking about? The hyperlink wasn't working (or I've been denied access to it for some reason).

My place and the surrounding development is untouched... minor acts of vandalism have occured on the unoccupied parts of the dev that are still under construction, but that's about it. I still wouldn't pay and extra £30,000 (or whatever the price diff is now) to live in the Norfolk Park dev.

The guy who was attacked whilst house hunting was actually in Ecclesall and not on Eccy Road- I saw the news article a few months ago, but couldn't be bothered to rub t020's face in it at the time.

Lib1

In the article I read, it said that the attack took place in Ecclesall (the area, not the street). The newspaper said that the guy worked in Ecclesall and was thinking of moving there, so he went to an estate agents one afternoon during his lunch break (which was when the attack took place).

This article was published in March/April time

Nice to see that Bertie is as charming as ever.

Such a gentleman.

Lib1

Just out of curiosity - where is this "Eccleshall" then?

You've got Hunter's Bar, Greystones, Banner Cross, Whirlow, countryside surely!

I think someones been fibbing :nono:

Either they were factually incorrect or you're mistaken, the area that it happened was not Ecclesall, it was around Blair Athol Road/ Murray Road and that's more like Greystones, so that makes you "wrong as ever"...... :hihi:

Originally posted by Lib1
In the article I read, it said that the attack took place in Ecclesall (the area, not the street). The newspaper said that the guy worked in Ecclesall and was thinking of moving there, so he went to an estate agents one afternoon during his lunch break (which was when the attack took place).

This article was published in March/April time

Nice to see that Bertie is as charming as ever.

Such a gentleman.

Lib1

Between Banner Cross and Whirlow....you also missed out Parkhead!

Originally posted by Saifa
Just out of curiosity - where is this "Eccleshall" then?

You've got Hunter's Bar, Greystones, Banner Cross, Whirlow, countryside surely!

I think someones been fibbing :nono:

... and your attitude makes you as arrogant as ever...

... cue the predictable retort from Bertie claiming that I am aggressive...

...oh, the irony...

Lib1

give me a break....you deserve to be on a theatrical stage and then everyone could pelt you with rotten eggs for such ham acting.... :hihi:

Originally posted by Lib1
... and your attitude makes you as arrogant as ever...

... cue the predictable retort from Bertie claiming that I am aggressive...

...oh, the irony...

Lib1

Ho-hum...

:-)

Lib1

Looks like I've missed a lot. :hihi:

Thanks Bertie for pointing out the factual incorrectness of Lib1 and also the location of Ecclesall in relation to this attack people are bringing up ( http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=433000&Y=385500&width=500&height=300&gride=432823&gridn=385429&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=S118TD&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=10000&out.x=4&out.y=10 ). The red circle shows the location of Napoleans Casino. If the attack happened behind Napoleans then it was indeed the lower part of Greystones just off Ecclesall Road and not actually in Ecclesall. Even then though, it is a rare occurence, statistically speaking, in this general area of the city (and I have the stats to prove it if you want me to drag them out again :hihi: ).

Lib1 - it looks like the thread I linked to has been pulled for some reason, but the gist of it was that someone living on your Parklands development has been having trouble there, including a neighbour who had an arson attack through their letter box. I'm not trying to "rub your face in it" but a lot of people did give you warnings.

Parklands, don't we all just want to live there......:gag:

Originally posted by t020
Looks like I've missed a lot. :hihi:

Lib1 - it looks like the thread I linked to has been pulled for some reason, but the gist of it was that someone living on your Parklands development has been having trouble there, including a neighbour who had an arson attack through their letter box. I'm not trying to "rub your face in it" but a lot of people did give you warnings.

O.k. let's not be too harsh to Lib1. For sure she went overboard by unecessarily and inaccurately slagging off Norfolk Park, but we're just as bad if we give her a hard time about where she has chosen to live. She chose Parklands and she's got to either like it, lump it or leave.

In private she'll come to her own conclusion about whether it was the right or wrong move. I just hope she learns a little wisdom from this entire episode.

Originally posted by E-Man Groovin
O.k. let's not be too harsh to Lib1. For sure she went overboard by unecessarily and inaccurately slagging off Norfolk Park, but we're just as bad if we give her a hard time about where she has chosen to live. She chose Parklands and she's got to either like it, lump it or leave.

In private she'll come to her own conclusion about whether it was the right or wrong move. I just hope she learns a little wisdom from this entire episode.
I'm up for seconding that E-Man :thumbsup:

Originally posted by t020


Lib1 - it looks like the thread I linked to has been pulled for some reason, but the gist of it was that someone living on your Parklands development has been having trouble there, including a neighbour who had an arson attack through their letter box. I'm not trying to "rub your face in it" but a lot of people did give you warnings.

Who posted this message? I am aware that one of the unnoccupied and unfinished houses was letter bombed (this was an extremely rare occurance by the way- the unnoccupied places are usually prone to much less severe attacks), but have not heard of any occupied home being attacked.

t020- You keep patronisingly saying that you have 'warned' me about the Parklands development, but you ignore the fact that the new-build scheme in the area started in 2001/2002. The existing new-build development which is right next to Parklands (I think it's called Balmoral Grange) has had very little trouble (I know people that live there). We originally looked at a place on the existing dev before opting for an off-plan home on the Parklands dev.

From my point of view- I am very happy with my home and with the choice that I have made. My neighbours are very friendly and once the development is finished (I'm fed up with having muddy shoes all the time!) it will look great!

I've spoken with the site manager and the builders on the Parklands development and they say that the vandalism probs on the development are mainly due to the fact that many of the homes on the dev are still under construction and so are unnoccupied- it is this what attracts the kids- it's basically a giant playground for them. They have experienced similar probs on development sites all over the UK.

In the first week that we moved into our apartment, we used to have kids hanging about in the drive and in the landscaped area in front of the block. Since telling them to move away and since they've realised that the place is now inhabited, they no longer come to our part of the dev and have moved on to the other unnoccupied parts. Therefore, I am inclined to believe that the probs are mainly caused by unnnoccupancy.

I suppose that 'time will tell', but at the mo, I'm living in a bargain luxury flat, I've made new friends (young professionals, like myself) and all is well in the land of Lib1 (especially now I've finally finished furnishing and decorating my place!)

To quote David James (hope you don't mind David!) on his experience of living on the existing new-build development next to Parklands:

"Hi,

I live on the new development very close to Wulfric Road, at the end close to the Fairleigh social club.

Having been here for three and a half years, the pace with which the area improves gathers speed.

My neighbours are good people, and the residents have pride in their homes and the area.

Touch wood, neither I nor my neighbours have had trouble with crime.

There is sometimes a problem with noise from the social club at the weekends, if you live very close to that it may bother you a little.

Also... the green area and playground attract kids from surrounding areas, many of them like to belt up and down on those noisy mini motor bike things (!) which is irritating, but not a serious bother. The police have been reasonably effective by confiscating the bikes.

Genuinely, I'd say that this is a good place to live. The negative points mentioned are not that big a deal. On the whole, the place is quiet and tidy.

Hope you find the house you are looking for!
Dave"


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OMG - war zone!

Originally posted by Lib1
I am aware that one of the unnoccupied and unfinished houses was letter bombed.

Puuurlease!

Perhaps you would like to explain the smashed glass in the bus stop shelter across the road from the Park Grange dev near to where the old tower blocks used to be

... the glass in the tram stop shelter on the same side of the Park Grange dev was also smashed a few weeks ago (Park Grange tram stop)

Lib1

you should stop throwing stones at it as you ride past on the tram then shouldn't you....jealousy wont get you anywhere.... :heyhey:

Maybe you should think about giving your new flat a name....Beirut springs to mind..... :hihi:

Originally posted by Lib1
Puuurlease!

Perhaps you would like to explain the smashed glass in the bus stop shelter across the road from the Park Grange dev near to where the old tower blocks used to be

... the glass in the tram stop shelter on the same side of the Park Grange dev was also smashed a few weeks ago (Park Grange tram stop)

Lib1

Talk about 'avoiding the question'...

Lib1

the tone of your question suggests it was me that did it.....:loopy:

Originally posted by Lib1
Talk about 'avoiding the question'...

Lib1

Nope- I was suggesting that evil ******* kids did it... you're as quick as ever, I see...

Actually- one mattter that was never resolved...

... OK, so Park Grange dev homes are more expensive to buy than Parklands dev homes (this is about the only thing that we agree on!)...

Question- then why is the rental value of the two bed apartments on both of the devs virtually the same? (they're either exactly the same e.g. £450 per month or a bit apart e.g. Park Grange dev apartments about £25 extra)

Discuss.

this isn't exclusive to Manor v Norfolk Park, the same occurs around Sheffield. Some 3 bed houses on the Park Grange development rent for £600 per month, some in Hunters Bar, Crookes, Broomhill etc rent for £600 per month....so what....?????


Originally posted by Lib1
Nope- I was suggesting that evil ******* kids did it... you're as quick as ever, I see...

Actually- one mattter that was never resolved...

... OK, so Park Grange dev homes are more expensive to buy than Parklands dev homes (this is about the only thing that we agree on!)...

Question- then why is the rental value of the two bed apartments on both of the devs virtually the same? (they're either exactly the same e.g. £450 per month or a bit apart e.g. Park Grange dev apartments about £25 extra)

Discuss.

So what...?

Here's what...

If you and I were to move from our dev's and rent out our current homes (assuming we were both living in two bed apartments), although you have paid loads more for your place, the rental value of your apartment will be similar to mine.

"So what?", I hear you cry again... here we go then- the money generated from renting out my flat will be able to pay the mortgage on the property and even possibly give me a profit... yours won't.

Lib1

Originally posted by Lib1
Who posted this message? I am aware that one of the unnoccupied and unfinished houses was letter bombed (this was an extremely rare occurance by the way- the unnoccupied places are usually prone to much less severe attacks), but have not heard of any occupied home being attacked.

t020- You keep patronisingly saying that you have 'warned' me about the Parklands development, but you ignore the fact that the new-build scheme in the area started in 2001/2002. The existing new-build development which is right next to Parklands (I think it's called Balmoral Grange) has had very little trouble (I know people that live there). We originally looked at a place on the existing dev before opting for an off-plan home on the Parklands dev.

From my point of view- I am very happy with my home and with the choice that I have made. My neighbours are very friendly and once the development is finished (I'm fed up with having muddy shoes all the time!) it will look great!

I've spoken with the site manager and the builders on the Parklands development and they say that the vandalism probs on the development are mainly due to the fact that many of the homes on the dev are still under construction and so are unnoccupied- it is this what attracts the kids- it's basically a giant playground for them. They have experienced similar probs on development sites all over the UK.

In the first week that we moved into our apartment, we used to have kids hanging about in the drive and in the landscaped area in front of the block. Since telling them to move away and since they've realised that the place is now inhabited, they no longer come to our part of the dev and have moved on to the other unnoccupied parts. Therefore, I am inclined to believe that the probs are mainly caused by unnnoccupancy.

I suppose that 'time will tell', but at the mo, I'm living in a bargain luxury flat, I've made new friends (young professionals, like myself) and all is well in the land of Lib1 (especially now I've finally finished furnishing and decorating my place!)

Angel05 created the thread - you may want to have a chat with her about the development and become bosom buddies. I can picture cosy chats over a nice cup of tea about how many letter bombs the neighbours got last week. :hihi:

I'm glad you're happy with your decision (so far) though. I don't think however that if you were unhappy you'd admit to it on this forum now!

Originally posted by Lib1
So what...?

Here's what...

If you and I were to move from our dev's and rent out our current homes (assuming we were both living in two bed apartments), although you have paid loads more for your place, the rental value of your apartment will be similar to mine.

"So what?", I hear you cry again... here we go then- the money generated from renting out my flat will be able to pay the mortgage on the property and even possibly give me a profit... yours won't.

Lib1

But that's completely irrelevant unless you DO intend to move out, buy/rent a second house to live in and then rent out your apartment.

Originally posted by t020
But that's completely irrelevant unless you DO intend to move out, buy/rent a second house to live in and then rent out your apartment.

Erm- my last message was a theoretical scenario to explain the potential problems of homes that have different buying/selling prices, but have similar rental prices.

People on the Parklands dev have rented out their homes as have people on the Norfolk Park dev- for basically the same price (whether they were buy-to-let investors or former home owners of the property).

My scenario is not irrelevant at all. Bertie didn't understand the relevance or importance of the potential problems. I used a scenario of Bertie vs myself in renting out our two bed apartments on the two devs as an example in order to make the situation clear to Bertie (he's not very quick on the uptake sometimes, but then by misunderstanding the totally obvious purpose of my last message- neither are you)

Actually- what is irrelevant is your participation on this thread. You have admittedly been to neither of the developments.

and how would you know what people paid for their dwellings or what size mortgages they took out.... :loopy:

Originally posted by Lib1

"So what?", I hear you cry again... here we go then- the money generated from renting out my flat will be able to pay the mortgage on the property and even possibly give me a profit... yours won't.

Lib1

who says I've got an apartment at Norfolk Park????????? Looks like it's you that's not very quick on the uptake..... :gag:

Originally posted by Lib1

My scenario is not irrelevant at all. Bertie didn't understand the relevance or importance of the potential problems. I used a scenario of Bertie vs myself in renting out our two bed apartments on the two devs as an example in order to make the situation clear to Bertie (he's not very quick on the uptake sometimes, but then by misunderstanding the totally obvious purpose of my last message- neither are you)

Actually- what is irrelevant is your participation on this thread. You have admittedly been to neither of the developments.

Originally posted by Lib1


If you and I were to move from our dev's and rent out our current homes (assuming we were both living in two bed apartments),

Lib1

See the above- I said "assuming". I used the scenario as an example.

Generally speaking- Park Grange dev homes are more expensive (and have always been more expensive) than Parklands dev homes.

and who says I live at Norfolk Park??????????? :loopy:

Originally posted by Lib1
See the above- I said "assuming". I used the scenario as an example.

Generally speaking- Park Grange dev homes are more expensive (and have always been more expensive) than Parklands dev homes.

Originally posted by Lib1
Puuurlease!

Perhaps you would like to explain the smashed glass in the bus stop shelter across the road from the Park Grange dev near to where the old tower blocks used to be

... the glass in the tram stop shelter on the same side of the Park Grange dev was also smashed a few weeks ago (Park Grange tram stop)

Lib1

Talk about ****ing on my olive branch :o Maybe wisdom and Lib1 simply just don't go together.

Originally posted by Lib1
Erm- my last message was a theoretical scenario to explain the potential problems of homes that have different buying/selling prices, but have similar rental prices.

People on the Parklands dev have rented out their homes as have people on the Norfolk Park dev- for basically the same price (whether they were buy-to-let investors or former home owners of the property).

My scenario is not irrelevant at all. Bertie didn't understand the relevance or importance of the potential problems. I used a scenario of Bertie vs myself in renting out our two bed apartments on the two devs as an example in order to make the situation clear to Bertie (he's not very quick on the uptake sometimes, but then by misunderstanding the totally obvious purpose of my last message- neither are you)

Actually- what is irrelevant is your participation on this thread. You have admittedly been to neither of the developments.

It IS irrelevant to you/Bertie though unless either of you are planning on renting the properties out. How much some investors from rent is irrelevant.

As for my participation in this thread, I was under the impression this was a public internet forum that any registered user could post on? Clearly if this is a private debate between you and BertieBassett, you should take it to "PM land". If not, then be prepared for anyone taking part in the debate and being fully entitled to do so!

I certainly don't want any private debate with Lib1 ta very much! :gag:

Originally posted by t020
It IS irrelevant to you/Bertie though unless either of you are planning on renting the properties out. How much some investors from rent is irrelevant.

As for my participation in this thread, I was under the impression this was a public internet forum that any registered user could post on? Clearly if this is a private debate between you and BertieBassett, you should take it to "PM land". If not, then be prepared for anyone taking part in the debate and being fully entitled to do so!

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1100365

Extract from the article..."Over the past seven months alone, crews have been called out to 90 fires in empty homes on the problem part of the estate known as the Boot Houses, which is made up of Queen Mary Road, Fitzhubert Road, Fairleigh and Navan Road".

How close to Parklands are these roads? :help:


Originally posted by t020
http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1100365

Parklands is on the opposite side of Prince of Wales road to that disgrace.

Originally posted by Andy
Parklands is on the opposite side of Prince of Wales road to that disgrace.


I'd like to be more than across the road from that kind of thing!!

within a stones throw then shall we say... :hihi: :help:

Originally posted by Andy
Parklands is on the opposite side of Prince of Wales road to that disgrace.

hell hole????????