Ha haa. I had a friend at school whose family were naturists. I wonder what he'd think of this thread!

the topic was about about an 8 year old boy having to go on his own into a mens changing room

the topic was about about an 8 year old boy having to go on his own into a mens changing room

Things change.

Young boys in men's changing rooms - not a good idea

Spose your right...the young lad may come away with an inferiority complex.

Another aspect to all of this is that I wouldn't want my son, when having his first sexual encounters, expecting all women to have neatly shaven/clean shaven/Brazilianed pubic areas and spherical, augmented breasts, which after all given that once he starts acquiring porn and accessing it is what he'll be exposed to.

Spose your right...the young lad may come away with an inferiority complex.


Oh my mistake I thought this was a serious topic

the topic was about about an 8 year old boy having to go on his own into a mens changing room

Exactly, wouldn’t the answer be to ask a member of staff to keep an eye on him or even to ask someone else to keep an eye on him, I would have said a suitable looking adult but from this thread I doubt if there are many of them about.

Exactly, wouldn’t the answer be to ask a member of staff to keep an eye on him or even to ask someone else to keep an eye on him, I would have said a suitable looking adult but from this thread I doubt if there are many of them about.

According to some on here, they may possibly be a paedo too, I mean how can one tell from looking at somebody?:rolleyes: Maybe we should insist on a full police check for every single member of staff working in a leisure centre.:rolleyes:

Oh my mistake I thought this was a serious topic

Have you read this thread? How could you ever think this is a serious topic?!

Imagine all those girls wondering around on beaches exposing their bits and Dad with his hands over the childs eyes?

Note: Dad has his hands over the childs eyes...not his of course. :suspect:

According to some on here, they may possibly be a paedo too, I mean how can one tell from looking at somebody?:rolleyes: Maybe we should insist on a full police check for every single member of staff working in a leisure centre.:rolleyes:

According to one poster, if a man is dressed in flashy clothes in the middle of the day he should be avoided. You see it's tricky, but there are clues!:D

According to some on here, they may possibly be a paedo too, I mean how can one tell from looking at somebody?:rolleyes: Maybe we should insist on a full police check for every single member of staff working in a leisure centre.:rolleyes:


Actually...that's a good point...don't they have CRB checks?

Oh my mistake I thought this was a serious topic

It is a serious topic...I just replied to your post which didn't seem serious....well it didn't seem anything really as you didn't explain what you meant.

so what some of you are saying you would let your 8 year old go on his own into a changing room

Your choice - fine. But why the absurb implications (whaich you appeared to applaud H da Fella for) that anyone who doesn't share your olf fashioned attitude is some kind of pervert or paedophile?

Perhaps you'd like to rethink that attitude.

It makes me laugh that we feel the need to answer such musings but we do.

I think people with such repressed behaviour is often indicative of their own suppressed thoughts just in case they act upon them.

According to some on here, they may possibly be a paedo too, I mean how can one tell from looking at somebody?:rolleyes: Maybe we should insist on a full police check for every single member of staff working in a leisure centre.:rolleyes:

I am glad you but the smileys in, I was beginning to worry about your post.

I can only recall an incident as a kid when I went to the pictures and was turned away because it was a parental guidance film and you had to be with an adult, shock horror:o a couple in the queue said I could go in with them, I wasn’t abused and I am still here to tell the tale.

Young boys in men's changing rooms - not a good idea

Why not Cressida?

Speaking of which - thus far none of the people who have expressed such horror at the concept of children seeing a naked man have been able to suggest any reason why this is such a damaging prospect. There have been plenty of slurs and plenty of baseless suggestions alluding to paedophilia - but really, why is it a bad thing for a child to see a naked man - or woman for that matter?

Speaking of which - thus far none of the people who have expressed such horror at the concept of children seeing a naked man have been able to suggest any reason why this is such a damaging prospect. There have been plenty of slurs and plenty of baseless suggestions alluding to paedophilia - but really, why is it a bad thing for a child to see a naked man - or woman for that matter?

I'd like to know too...I've asked that without a decent reply.

I wouldn't want my son, when having his first sexual encounters, expecting all women to have neatly shaven/clean shaven/Brazilianed pubic areas and spherical, augmented breasts, .Some aren't? :gag:


Better he sees some tidiness than the new forest gone wild hirsuit style.

Some aren't? :gag:


Better he sees some tidiness than the new forest gone wild hirsuit style.

Just in case anyone suggest that you are merely a troll, can you come up with any reasonable explanation for why that might be so?

Some aren't? :gag:


Better he sees some tidiness than the new forest gone wild hirsuit style.

Not bad for a first post.:suspect:

I bathed with both parents as a child, I also went into changing rooms at my local swimming pool and changed in and out of my trunks and had a shower too. It brought this thread around to make me conscious of the fact I did that as a kid and still do to date.

It was never an issue then like it isn't now. I see kids changing their clothes but it just doesn't register in me one bit. That is what people do in changing rooms.

A bloke used to bring his daughter into the men's changing room at Greens. I'm very much from the school of letting it all hang out in men's locker rooms....but she seemed too old to be in there (but too young to be getting herself dressed on her own in the ladies) so I turned into an old maid and became very coy and covered myself up. As did all the other blokes - we suddenly all turned into old maids. Lol.

Some aren't? :gag:


Better he sees some tidiness than the new forest gone wild hirsuit style.

Do you trim yours then?

Speaking of which - thus far none of the people who have expressed such horror at the concept of children seeing a naked man have been able to suggest any reason why this is such a damaging prospect. There have been plenty of slurs and plenty of baseless suggestions alluding to paedophilia - but really, why is it a bad thing for a child to see a naked man - or woman for that matter?

I have no idea. Should women also hide their breasts when breasfeeding a baby in front of an older sibling?

A bloke used to bring his daughter into the men's changing room at Greens. I'm very much from the school of letting it all hang out in men's locker rooms....but she seemed too old to be in there (but too young to be getting herself dressed on her own in the ladies) so I turned into an old maid and became very coy and covered myself up. As did all the other blokes - we suddenly all turned into old maids. Lol.

Having all turned into old maids did you decamp to the ladies' changing room? :D

Of course it's illegal not to...doesn't mean I have to agree with the law.

What i'm trying to understand is your distaste for the human body? You use lots of expletives to describe it. You never mention once the natural beauty of it.

We raise our kids in the same way as we as repressed adults do who have body issues and we're sooooooooo surprised that when they get on in years they're well and truly fupped up.

Is it so surprising that our kids grow up repressed because they walk around with mummy and daddy's blinkers on.

If your kids don't go to sleep at night do you threaten them with the boogie man?

I was actually asking you why there is a law requiring people to wear things such as trunks when going swimming? Maybe because most people do not want to see naked people in public.

Who says I am repressed? You do not know me. You also do not know that we are not overly worried about this issue at home and that we often leave the bathroom door open. However what is seen in the home is different to what is seen in public. I know that if our son saw us without clothes it would be in all innocence and in the safety of the home.

I also do not like seeing trollopy teen girls wandering round on a Saturday afternoon with their thongs on show or these youths who play pocket billiards with themselves constantly. It's a question of respect.

It makes me laugh that we feel the need to answer such musings but we do.

I think people with such repressed behaviour is often indicative of their own suppressed thoughts just in case they act upon them.

Yes, people usually throw this bit of cod-psychology out at people who would like to retain things such as privacy and respect. :rolleyes: If you want it thrown back at 'cha maybe someone who is adamant that they will not, never, ever consider covering their goolies with a towel in a changing room where other people's little kids might be present is possibly the one who is a little bit weird. It's no big effort to use a towel so why not and respect those kids?

What kids see at home is different. I used to go swimming and get changed with my mum or dad and it didn't bother me one bit, nor did it bother them. We also used to use the toilet if desperate when dad was in the bath - he just used to cover up with the newspaper or a flannel. You know your parents and trust them.

What is it about the environment of the gym that makes people so adamant about 'my goddamn right to be naked'? Yet people complain if a woman wears a low cut top to work? We have designated beaches for naturists? It is against the law to walk around naked?

Could it perhaps be all the testosterone? ;)

You sound about a hundred and three.

Yes, people usually throw this bit of cod-psychology out at people who would like to retain things such as privacy and respect. :rolleyes: If you want it thrown back at 'cha maybe someone who is adamant that they will not, never, ever consider covering their goolies with a towel in a changing room where other people's little kids might be present is possibly the one who is a little bit weird. It's no big effort to use a towel so why not and respect those kids?

What kids see at home is different. I used to go swimming and get changed with my mum or dad and it didn't bother me one bit, nor did it bother them. We also used to use the toilet if desperate when dad was in the bath - he just used to cover up with the newspaper or a flannel. You know your parents and trust them.

What is it about the environment of the gym that makes people so adamant about 'my goddamn right to be naked'? Yet people complain if a woman wears a low cut top to work? We have designated beaches for naturists? It is against the law to walk around naked?

Could it perhaps be all the testosterone? ;)

testosterone or not. I haven't a clue Mathom. All I can say is that I have never had a problem changing in front of kids before. If that makes me weird then so be it.

Yes, people usually throw this bit of cod-psychology out at people who would like to retain things such as privacy and respect. :rolleyes: If you want it thrown back at 'cha maybe someone who is adamant that they will not, never, ever consider covering their goolies with a towel in a changing room where other people's little kids might be present is possibly the one who is a little bit weird. It's no big effort to use a towel so why not and respect those kids?

What kids see at home is different. I used to go swimming and get changed with my mum or dad and it didn't bother me one bit, nor did it bother them. We also used to use the toilet if desperate when dad was in the bath - he just used to cover up with the newspaper or a flannel. You know your parents and trust them.

What is it about the environment of the gym that makes people so adamant about 'my goddamn right to be naked'? Yet people complain if a woman wears a low cut top to work? We have designated beaches for naturists? It is against the law to walk around naked?


Well, it's not the environment of the gym- it's the environment of the changing room- you've got to expect naked people in changing rooms as it's where they get changed from one set of clothes to another- by definition, the bit in between involves some nudity :)

They may even get a shower- more nudity.

They could cut down a bit on the nudity, by wrapping a towel round their waist, as they secretively remove their trunks and slip on their dry clothes, but, most of them do not have your disgust/fear/whatever about nudity- to them, nudity in a changing room is perfectly normal and non-problematic.

I'd suggest anyone who has a problem with nudity, would do best to avoid changing rooms?

well here you go,my answer to your trolling, the general consensus on here from normal parents is.....no...i wouldnt let an 8 year old loose along strangers in a changing room, thats probably because they care for their kids and have deep seated views on kids bieng alone with men whom the parents dont know, now,if you want to let your son at that age loose amongst strangers,and it appears you would,then you run the risk of harm to your child,but it seems you are willing to gamble with that, or do you agree with children bieng in the same room as unknown strangers because you have some hidden agenda, by your defence to throw a child into a room of naked strangers i can only surmise that you are not in agreement with the normal,everyday parents who mind their children and look out for them as best they can, to put it bluntly, any man wanting young kids in a changing room without the mother is very ,very suspect..would you not agree ?

Was this just a very long winded way of avoiding answering the question?

Which was, why did you feel the need to mention homosexuality and the need to link it to paedophilia?

It's quite a simple question, try and give a straight answer.

but i have never appeared naked in front of my children and im sure they grew up better for it, c

You think your children grew up 'better' because you hid yourself from them.
They probably grew up thinking that their body was something to be ashamed of, or wondering what exactly you were hiding from them.

Who says I am repressed? You do not know me. You also do not know that we are not overly worried about this issue at home and that we often leave the bathroom door open. However what is seen in the home is different to what is seen in public. I know that if our son saw us without clothes it would be in all innocence and in the safety of the home.


Whereas the people getting changed in a changing room, in a gym or pool, they're clearly not 'innocently naked' and were getting naked just on the off chance that they could warp a young childs mind (how that warping occurs no one has explained yet, but I'll go with you on it for the sake of this point).

So, just explain again why it wouldn't be 'innocent' or normal to be naked in the changing room?

Well, it's not the environment of the gym- it's the environment of the changing room- you've got to expect naked people in changing rooms as it's where they get changed from one set of clothes to another- by definition, the bit in between involves some nudity :)

They may even get a shower- more nudity.

They could cut down a bit on the nudity, by wrapping a towel round their waist, as they secretively remove their trunks and slip on their dry clothes, but, most of them do not have your disgust/fear/whatever about nudity- to them, nudity in a changing room is perfectly normal and non-problematic.

I'd suggest anyone who has a problem with nudity, would do best to avoid changing rooms?

Fair enough, I find this kind of thing to be bad manners, so I will avoid the all-boys-together type of place where this happens (even in the womens changing areas ;)). However I think it's really weird to find it OK to walk around in the nip in front of youngsters who are not your youngsters.

People get all irate about photographers taking pictures of their kids and yet they think it's somehow OK for naked adults to walk around like that in front of their kids? We want all our teachers, care workers and scout leaders to take CRB checks yet if we question strangers who think it's 'natural' to walk around naked in front of our children we are "Victorian"? There's something wrong there. :huh:

Fair enough, I find this kind of thing to be bad manners, so I will avoid the all-boys-together type of place where this happens (even in the womens changing areas ;)). However I think it's really weird to find it OK to walk around in the nip in front of youngsters who are not your youngsters.

People get all irate about photographers taking pictures of their kids and yet they think it's somehow OK for naked adults to walk around like that in front of their kids? We want all our teachers, care workers and scout leaders to take CRB checks yet if we question strangers who think it's 'natural' to walk around naked in front of our children we are "Victorian"? There's something wrong there. :huh:

We're getting circular here - can you try and explain please what possible harm can befall a child simply through seeing a naked adult?

No-one has yet been able to do so.

The same people who get irate about photographers are probably the ones worrying about all the horrible nakedness in the changing rooms and showers.

The question isn't whether it's okay to walk around naked in front of children, it's whether it's normal to be naked in a changing room, and the answer is a resounding yes.
Once that's settled it's pretty obvious that children (or anyone) going into that environment will see some nakedness. It's not a big deal, there's nothing unusual about being naked in that environment, trying to shield children from it will either make them think that it's wrong or just give them the idea that the body is something to hide.

If you're going to avoid the kind of places where it happens then you're going to have to never go swimming again, or to the gym, or to any leisure facility. Does that not suggest to you that it might be your attitude to nakedness that's unusual?

I think this has nothing to do with nakedness but a defence of a hard line stance knowing that to admit would be an admission that the child isn't really the issue...the adult and it's warped outdated sense of priority is the issue. Hell! We wouldn't want to see that challenged...would we!

We're getting circular here - can you try and explain please what possible harm can befall a child simply through seeing a naked adult?

No-one has yet been able to do so.

Because it does them no harm whatsoever. And soon enough they're all going to be herded together naked in changing rooms and showers at secondary school, so they'd better get used to nudity.

Why is everyone confusing nudity with sex? I think it's good for kids to grow up without associating the 2 together, which is the way I grew up.

Was this just a very long winded way of avoiding answering the question?

Which was, why did you feel the need to mention homosexuality and the need to link it to paedophilia?

It's quite a simple question, try and give a straight answer.let me try to make it easier for you..homosexuality = sex with the same gender.ok?with me so far ?

now,an 8 year old boy in a locker room with naked men = have you figured it out yet ?

tell me,do you and halibut work as a team ?or is just coincidence you both happened along on the same thread at the very same time ?

now,the whole stance on here is this, there are those with morals that believe a very young child in it's formative years should not be exposed to strangers who are naked...

then there are the others who think they should, i'll leave it up to the posters to form their own opinions on this.

now halibut,i notice you called me a coward,but you waited until i told you i was logging off for the night, then you ask me to name names,which would, as you know have lead to a ban, im not a small child that would fall into such a trap,but i will leave you with the fact that i dont have to name any one, they have more than likely done that for themselves with their posts and other posters can form their own opinions for themselves

now,i'm off out, enjoy your day.depoix

let me try to make it easier for you..homosexuality = sex with the same gender.ok?with me so far ?

now,an 8 year old boy in a locker room with naked men = have you figured it out yet ?

tell me,do you and halibut work as a team ?or is just coincidence you both happened along on the same thread at the very same time ?

now,the whole stance on here is this, there are those with morals that believe a very young child in it's formative years should not be exposed to strangers who are naked...

then there are the others who think they should, i'll leave it up to the posters to form their own opinions on this.

now halibut,i notice you called me a coward,but you waited until i told you i was logging off for the night, then you ask me to name names,which would, as you know have lead to a ban, im not a small child that would fall into such a trap,but i will leave you with the fact that i dont have to name any one, they have more than likely done that for themselves with their posts and other posters can form their own opinions for themselves

now,i'm off out, enjoy your day.depoix

Why is nudity synonymous with sex?

let me try to make it easier for you..homosexuality = sex with the same gender.ok?with me so far ?


Yep, Ok so far.....
now,an 8 year old boy in a locker room with naked men = have you figured it out yet ?
No. Struggling to see what the problem is so far - unless you're implying that all naked men are predatory paedophiles - and you surely can't be suggesting that - it's absurd.
tell me,do you and halibut work as a team ?or is just coincidence you both happened along on the same thread at the very same time ?

Entirely coincidental.

now,the whole stance on here is this, there are those with morals that believe a very young child in it's formative years should not be exposed to strangers who are naked...

Why do they believe this - still waiting for someone to explain. Why do you think its immoral for a child to see a naked man?

Why is everyone confusing nudity with sex? I think it's good for kids to grow up without associating the 2 together, which is the way I grew up.


Their not confusing it...they actually believe that nudity and sex are the same word, just spelt differently.:confused:

Their not confusing it...they actually believe that nudity and sex are the same word, just spelt differently.:confused:

It is just ridiculous, I cannot see why people have a problem with this. Do you want your kids to grow up seeing anyone with a bit of flesh on display in a sexual light? It's madness.:confused:

Fair enough, I find this kind of thing to be bad manners, so I will avoid the all-boys-together type of place where this happens (even in the womens changing areas ;)). However I think it's really weird to find it OK to walk around in the nip in front of youngsters who are not your youngsters.

People get all irate about photographers taking pictures of their kids and yet they think it's somehow OK for naked adults to walk around like that in front of their kids? We want all our teachers, care workers and scout leaders to take CRB checks yet if we question strangers who think it's 'natural' to walk around naked in front of our children we are "Victorian"? There's something wrong there. :huh:

???
Most people aren't nearly as obsessed with photos of their children as you seem to think.

Many people familiar with the realities of the CRB system, realise that it has gone so far wrong that it's actually having a negative effect on child protection.

It's just a small (but very vocal) minority of 'peado-obsessives' who want to harrass any photographer who points their camera at a public space which could contain children, or want every adult CRB checked.

Most people are just normal- they look at a child and just see a child- IMO, it's the peado-obsessives themselves, who have got the problem- they obviously look at a child and see something altogether more sinister.

At the risk of getting a mouth full..I'd be more worried putting my child into a changing room full of naked people that have the attitude that, naked, sex, homosexual are actually ALL synonymous, rather than those that just go about their business getting changed in an environment where nakedness is the norm

Your right...it is madness

At the risk of getting a mouth full..I'd be more worried putting my child into a changing room full of naked people that have the attitude that, naked, sex, homosexual are actually ALL synonymous, rather than those that just go about their business getting changed in an environment where nakedness is the norm

Your right...it is madness

I agree, I mean that's guaranteed to make them feel uncomfortable. Next thing we'll be putting frilly covers on table legs.:rolleyes:

I've just read this thread. :wow: My kids were young in the 70s and my OH and I never worried about being in the nude around them. I also used to take my children to a swimming club when they were young, and my son preferred to use the male changing rooms from quite an early age rather than come in with me and his sister. He never came out and told me that anyone was behaving inappropriately, or that he was worried by being in there alone. Have things changed so much? Or does the media fuel people's paranoia about paedophilia?

Childhood is an innocent time, and I didn't want to make my kids feel there was anything dirty or sexual about naked bodies. They seem to have survived ok. ;)

Because it does them no harm whatsoever. And soon enough they're all going to be herded together naked in changing rooms and showers at secondary school, so they'd better get used to nudity.
Mine won't be. I'm not allowing some grisly PE teacher or scummy bullying chav a good look at my son's tackle. And before anyone starts shouting about paranoid parents - a PE teacher my brother had used to wink and grinn at them when they were in the showers, the dirty scumbag. By the time I got there they were closing the showers down because no child would use them, no matter how much detention they got threatened with.

Why would I want my son subject to the ritual humiliation of communal showering anyway? He has a right to privacy if he wants it.

I'm not naive. I've read enough "men's literature" to know that passing glances in the locker room and showers is something which goes on. I've also heard more than enough tales of dirty teachers/sports coaches etc. No, not every man in there is a paedo by a long way, and I'm sure nobody on here is. I also have no problem with photographers on the street, as what can they do with a photo of a clothed child? But they do have this one haven left, the locker room. If they had just a nanosecond of chance to show their cock to your child, they could be getting off on that for months. That's how the exhibitionist's kink works.

All this "yeah man, nakedness is natural, you're so old fashioned, let it all hang out" kind of thing must be like all their Christmasses come at once for the sort of men who just love the thought that a child has been looking at their genitals.

Sorry if that's an uncomfortable thought to deal with. I get the impression that everyone's falling over themselves to justify their own behaviour as entirely natural, which it probably is, but there are other people in there too. They might not have such good intentions. It's naive to think otherwise. A lot of us might not 'associate nudity with sex', but a hell of a lot of other people do.

........... and I'm sure nobody on here is. ...........

Now. That is naive.

If they had just a nanosecond of chance to show their cock to your child, they could be getting off on that for months. That's how the exhibitionist's kink works.

All this "yeah man, nakedness is natural, you're so old fashioned, let it all hang out" kind of thing must be like all their Christmasses come at once for the sort of men who just love the thought that a child has been looking at their genitals.

How would the scenario you describe be damaging to the child?
Sorry if that's an uncomfortable thought to deal with.
It's not a particularly uncomfortable idea since it would exist only in the head of the person who's imagining it occurring i.e. you - it just seems rather unlikely.

I get the impression that everyone's falling over themselves to justify their own behaviour as entirely natural, which it probably is, but there are other people in there too. They might not have such good intentions. It's naive to think otherwise.
I think it's equally naive to imagine that there's any more risk in your child using a public changing room at the pool or the gym than there is anywhere else.

Now. That is naive.

I would hope not, anyway ;)


How would the scenario you describe be damaging to the child?

All they need to do is catch the child's eye and wink and it would be upsetting for them.

It's not particularly uncomfortable idea - it just seems rather unlikely.

It's very likely. I'm not stupid, I know a hell of a lot of people who have got off with people through going to the gym and exchanging glances in a locker room. I also know people who go just to 'pull'. If they go there for that, then why wouldn't a weirdo go there to take up this great opportunity for a spot of exhbitionism.

If you flash your bits in a public bog you can get done for it. The gym changing room is the last refuge for the chap who likes to show off his chap.

I think it's equally naive to imagine that there's any more risk in your child using a public changing room at the pool or the gym than there is anywhere else.

Where else? People do tend to be clothed elsewhere. ;)

All they need to do is catch the child's eye and wink and it would be upsetting for them.

Most children don't carry around the burden of being sexually aware or living in a paranoid state where every other adult is a pervert out to harm them. Why would a child perceive a wink as threatening?

It's very likely. I'm not stupid, I know a hell of a lot of people who have got off with people through going to the gym and exchanging glances in a locker room. I also know people who go just to 'pull'.

You must move in some interesting circles. Are these gay men we're talking about?

If they go there for that, then why wouldn't a weirdo go there to take up this great opportunity for a spot of exhbitionism.


How would you spot one of these exhibitionists in a room full of naked men?

If you flash your bits in a public bog you can get done for it. The gym changing room is the last refuge for the chap who likes to show off his chap.


Again, in an environment where it's the norm to see naked bodies, how can you tell who the exhibitionist is? Unless they're behaving in an overtly sexual manner in which case they'd rightly be reported and asked to desist.

Where else? People do tend to be clothed elsewhere. ;)

Like I said - almost anywhere. If you were wanting to indulge in sexualised behaviour with a child would you want to do so in a public changing room. I think not.

Mathom you have a one warped sense of perspective, lets hope you haven’t passed it on to your kids.

I would hope not, anyway ;)



All they need to do is catch the child's eye and wink and it would be upsetting for them.



It's very likely. I'm not stupid, I know a hell of a lot of people who have got off with people through going to the gym and exchanging glances in a locker room. I also know people who go just to 'pull'. If they go there for that, then why wouldn't a weirdo go there to take up this great opportunity for a spot of exhbitionism.

If you flash your bits in a public bog you can get done for it. The gym changing room is the last refuge for the chap who likes to show off his chap.



Where else? People do tend to be clothed elsewhere. ;)

OMG. You are obsessed man. Where do all these thoughts in your head come from? its only a public changing room for goodness sake. :rolleyes:

Perhaps we should also revert back to same sex swimming sessions and adopt the Victorian style bathing costumes too, even better wetsuits, but not tight of course. And beaches should all be screened off, with family only sections.:rolleyes:

Mathom - you've got a serious problem there my friend - your obsession that just about anyone who goes naked in a changing room is a pervert in some way or another.

I take offence at that to be honest.....I go to the gym on a regular basis, I shower after I've worked out because I don't like to stink of sweat. You really do need to have a word with yourself mate and stop these ludicrous statements and quite worrying opinions that you hold.

You'll end up spoiling your child's childhood if you make them as repressed as you obviously are. I led what some may consider to be a sheltered life - to most people I had what was classed as an idylic childhood. The fact that I was abused and it all got hushed up at the time and I was told to "get over it"....well that's another story all together, but with your small mindedness and out dated opinions, I'll wait for the insinuation that those that get abused always turn into abusers.....so THAT must be why I have a naked shower at the gym!!!:rolleyes:

Get a life!

Mick :rant:

Yep, Ok so far.....

No. Struggling to see what the problem is so far - unless you're implying that all naked men are predatory paedophiles - and you surely can't be suggesting that - it's absurd.

?no not at all,only you and cyclone seem to be promoting young lads going into a shower with strangers,theres a hundred to one chance a lone child could be approached in a public changing room i guess ,but as i posted earlier ,i'm no gambler, perhaps you know different,but as a parent,i will err on the side of keep the baby safe,dont leave him in a room full of strangers ,one never knows ,unless as your post show ,you are 100% certain there arnt any men with strange notions regarding young boys,but as i recall,there were several cases of men stalking unacompanied children in swimming pools and parks or other public places (suggest you do a google on this )

i have an expieriance where a few years ago my son who was then around 9 or ten was fishing in weston park, i was sat behind him as you do,then a call of nature dragged me away, on my return,my son was bieng dragged away from the spot he was fishing by some man,the other fishermen saw what was happening and went to his aid and the man ran away, it's on here somewhere in the archives, now,are all men who walk in the park paedos ? are all fishermen constantly aware that they are present ? no of course not,but whatever?, we cant see who is and who isnt so we learn to mistrust anyone who approaches a child who they believe is on his own,in doing this we, the public police our children and those who wish to harm them.

so,your attempts to cause confusion/troll or just be a devils advocate fall on deaf ears,you try to belittle those with morals that they wish to pass on to their children,you suggest they are reppressed when all the time the truth is,a mother and father care for their children and want them to be safe, your responce on here tells those parents that there are people out there who dont give a damn about morals and will cavort naked in front of a child,i think the ones who would rather cover up in front of such a child hold the moral ground, those who dont are just posting to wind people up or are to say the least susspect.but thats just my opinion, the rest of the forum can make their own descision on what they would do ,thats supposing some of the posters actually have children of course,otherwise their posts are just assumptions with no valid grounding due to them not having a young child to worry about...

Mine won't be. I'm not allowing some grisly PE teacher or scummy bullying chav a good look at my son's tackle. And before anyone starts shouting about paranoid parents - a PE teacher my brother had used to wink and grinn at them when they were in the showers, the dirty scumbag. By the time I got there they were closing the showers down because no child would use them, no matter how much detention they got threatened with.

Why would I want my son subject to the ritual humiliation of communal showering anyway? He has a right to privacy if he wants it.
And I expect he'll want it, since you've taught him that being naked is a bad thing.

I'm not naive. I've read enough "men's literature" to know that passing glances in the locker room and showers is something which goes on.
You're not naive, you're outright paranoid.
I've also heard more than enough tales of dirty teachers/sports coaches etc. No, not every man in there is a paedo by a long way, and I'm sure nobody on here is. I also have no problem with photographers on the street, as what can they do with a photo of a clothed child? But they do have this one haven left, the locker room. If they had just a nanosecond of chance to show their cock to your child, they could be getting off on that for months. That's how the exhibitionist's kink works.

All this "yeah man, nakedness is natural, you're so old fashioned, let it all hang out" kind of thing must be like all their Christmasses come at once for the sort of men who just love the thought that a child has been looking at their genitals.
And who would do what, hang around in changing rooms just hoping that a child might come in unaccompanied and that every other adult in the room would ignore their strange behaviour. You're seriously paranoid.

Sorry if that's an uncomfortable thought to deal with. I get the impression that everyone's falling over themselves to justify their own behaviour as entirely natural, which it probably is, but there are other people in there too. They might not have such good intentions. It's naive to think otherwise. A lot of us might not 'associate nudity with sex', but a hell of a lot of other people do.

No one is uncomfortable except you and depoix who seem to have a huge problem with people being naked in changing rooms and children of whatever age using the appropriate room.
Did either of you ever say what age you did think it was okay, or would they still be going into the ladies changing room a day before their 16th birthday (or 18th maybe, who knows).

no not at all,only you and cyclone seem to be promoting young lads going into a shower with strangers
I'm not promoting anything. I'm arguing that a) being naked when getting changed in a changing room is perfectly normal and that b) at some point children should start using the correct changing room. If you go back and find my first post on the thread I said that the precise age was all a matter of opinion, but there is definitely a point when a boy should stop going into the womans changing room, that's more of an issue I believe than any paranoids dreamt up potential threat in the correct changing room.
,theres a hundred to one chance a lone child could be approached in a public changing room i guess ,but as i posted earlier ,i'm no gambler, perhaps you know different,but as a parent,i will err on the side of keep the baby safe,dont leave him in a room full of strangers ,one never knows ,unless as your post show ,you are 100% certain there arnt any men with strange notions regarding young boys,but as i recall,there were several cases of men stalking unacompanied children in swimming pools and parks or other public places (suggest you do a google on this )
So what age will you stop making a boy/young man change in a room full of naked strangers who are women

i have an expieriance where a few years ago my son who was then around 9 or ten was fishing in weston park, i was sat behind him as you do,then a call of nature dragged me away, on my return,my son was bieng dragged away from the spot he was fishing by some man,the other fishermen saw what was happening and went to his aid and the man ran away, it's on here somewhere in the archives, now,are all men who walk in the park paedos ? are all fishermen constantly aware that they are present ? no of course not,but whatever?, we cant see who is and who isnt so we learn to mistrust anyone who approaches a child who they believe is on his own,in doing this we, the public police our children and those who wish to harm them.

so,your attempts to cause confusion/troll or just be a devils advocate fall on deaf ears,you try to belittle those with morals that they wish to pass on to their children,
This is not about morality, if you think that it is then you're very confused.
you suggest they are reppressed when all the time the truth is,a mother and father care for their children and want them to be safe, your responce on here tells those parents that there are people out there who dont give a damn about morals and will cavort naked in front of a child
I've never seen anyone cavort in a changing room, have you?,i think the ones who would rather cover up in front of such a child hold the moral ground, those who dont are just posting to wind people up or are to say the least susspect.but thats just my opinion, the rest of the forum can make their own descision on what they would do ,thats supposing some of the posters actually have children of course,otherwise their posts are just assumptions with no valid grounding due to them not having a young child to worry about...
The rest of the forum have, there are only two of you supporting the side of the discussion where nakedness is wrong in changing rooms and young men should be forced to get changed with women.

so,your attempts to cause confusion/troll or just be a devils advocate fall on deaf ears,you try to belittle those with morals that they wish to pass on to their children,you suggest they are reppressed when all the time the truth is,a mother and father care for their children and want them to be safe, your responce on here tells those parents that there are people out there who dont give a damn about morals and will cavort naked in front of a child,i think the ones who would rather cover up in front of such a child hold the moral ground, those who dont are just posting to wind people up or are to say the least susspect.but thats just my opinion, the rest of the forum can make their own descision on what they would do ,thats supposing some of the posters actually have children of course,otherwise their posts are just assumptions with no valid grounding due to them not having a young child to worry about...

Can you explain why you think it's immoral for a child to see a naked adult?

I'm somewhat surprised by all this talk of nudity - maybe it's just a man-thing? In women's changing rooms, most women use towels to cover themselves, and the majority tend to reveal their nudity sparingly, ie, turning round to put on their bra with the towel still covering their nether regions.

MOST women don't wander around totally naked. The odd one who is clearly 'shameless' is just that - the odd one.

I'm not surprised that people want to shield their young sons from men apparently flaunting their manhood. Is that what we're really to expect goes on in men's changing rooms?

Have to say, I somehow expected a little more decorum, especially in front of young boys on their own. Men, hang your heads in shame!

now,an 8 year old boy in a locker room with naked men = have you figured it out yet ?


All the men instantly become pedophiles ?
All the men become gay ?
All the men become gay pedophiles ?

I'm somewhat surprised by all this talk of nudity - maybe it's just a man-thing? In women's changing rooms, most women use towels to cover themselves, and the majority tend to reveal their nudity sparingly, ie, turning round to put on their bra with the towel still covering their nether regions.

MOST women don't wander around totally naked. The odd one who is clearly 'shameless' is just that - the odd one.

I'm not surprised that people want to shield their young sons from men apparently flaunting their manhood. Is that what we're really to expect goes on in men's changing rooms?

Have to say, I somehow expected a little more decorum, especially in front of young boys on their own. Men, hang your heads in shame!

There's nothing shameful about naked human beings.

Can you explain why you think it's immoral for a child to see a naked adult?
your one line dodging and evasion and trying to pass on the context of the posts is becoming tedious,perhaps the social services or even the police would be better replying to some of the posts on here,they may find them interesting to say the least

I'm somewhat surprised by all this talk of nudity - maybe it's just a man-thing? In women's changing rooms, most women use towels to cover themselves, and the majority tend to reveal their nudity sparingly, ie, turning round to put on their bra with the towel still covering their nether regions.

MOST women don't wander around totally naked. The odd one who is clearly 'shameless' is just that - the odd one.


Isn't that because most women are totally hung-up about their bodies whereas most men arn't ?

There's nothing shameful about naked human beings.

But there's naked as in, wearing a towel and getting changed discretely, and flaunting your nakedness in front of boys who have only even seen their mum (and maybe their dad) naked. My son hasn't seen me naked for many many years, not since he was a tot. Somehow, it would feel wrong. I have no need to thrust nakedness onto him. I think a degree of dignity is appropriate.

So, Halibut - are you saying that you walk naked in front of your children?? And, (if you do) do you expect the same of them?

Well I've just come back from a competition where we all showered afterwards and I wouldn't say there was any flaunting. People took their clothes off, went to the showers with or without their towels, dried themselves after showering nude in front of other men and got dressed.

It was normal behaviour for a changing room.

I could understand if those with hangups about male nudity were complaining about exercising in the nude. That would be rude and unnatural. But hang on. The original meaning of the word gymnasium comes from the Greek gumnasion, from gumnazein, to exercise naked.

I blame the Vicorians for the prurient attitudes of today.

your one line dodging and evasion and trying to pass on the context of the posts is becoming tedious,perhaps the social services or even the police would be better replying to some of the posts on here,they may find them interesting to say the least

You are unbelievable. Why don't you go ahead and call the police, they can do you for wasting their time.

But there's naked as in, wearing a towel and getting changed discretely, and flaunting your nakedness in front of boys who have only even seen their mum (and maybe their dad) naked. My son hasn't seen me naked for many many years, not since he was a tot. Somehow, it would feel wrong. I have no need to thrust nakedness onto him. I think a degree of dignity is appropriate.

So, Halibut - are you saying that you walk naked in front of your children?? And, (if you do) do you expect the same of them?

Without trying to get into too much graphic detail, men in the changing room tend to undress, walk to the shower with a towel in hand and hang it close by. Shower. Dry. Get dressed.
There's no 'flaunting', nor is there any need to attempt to wrap the towel around yourself before you shower when you're sweaty.
There's a huge middle ground between being exhibitionist and being a prude.

You are unbelievable. Why don't you go ahead and call the police, they can do you for wasting their time.i doubt it,after all ,dont they say it's better for them to know and turn up than for them not to know,and then have to to turn up when something happens?

Without trying to get into too much graphic detail, men in the changing room tend to undress, walk to the shower with a towel in hand and hang it close by. Shower. Dry. Get dressed.
There's no 'flaunting', nor is there any need to attempt to wrap the towel around yourself before you shower when you're sweaty.
There's a huge middle ground between being exhibitionist and being a prude.

I was just asking. Evidently, it's quite different in the men's changing rooms. Thanks for the enlightenment.

So, Halibut - are you saying that you walk naked in front of your children??I tend not to these days - they're of an age where they'd rather not see their old man in the buff. When they were younger I'd not be bothered in the slightest - nor would they.
And, (if you do) do you expect the same of them?
They like a bit of privacy; I respect that.

Throw all the insults you like at me, I don't really care.

Come on, chuck a bit more of your Viz Comic "Modern Parents" style rubbish, I can take it. I have worked in the education sector and with children all my working life and I KNOW how perverts operate, I have taught children who were abused and I have spoken to their abusers, and communal changing rooms are risky places. They are about the only places where they can indulge themselves.

Sorry, bury your heads in the sand, but it's true.

While you are busily trying to avoid looking like you are checking out someone else's tackle, they will take this godsend of an opportunity to catch the eye of your child.

As for being so overly defensive, some of you worry me a hell of a lot. What is there to be so defensive about? Why throw insults at someone who knows what can happen and who does not agree with your naivety? All I wish to do is to protect my child and follow my own rules - I refuse to accept permissive rules if they are not appropriate, no matter how many Modern Parents try to impose them on me with a load of airy fairy hollocks dragged from the back of the Grauniad about 'repression' (yeah, riiiight, I'm the 'repressed' one, you don't know the half of it :hihi:).

Fine by me. Carry on taking the risks if it's so utterly vital to you that your children see strangers' genitals!

When it's me who's concerned it's about my taste and manners, but when it comes to kids, it's not about their morality but about their safety.

I'm somewhat surprised by all this talk of nudity - maybe it's just a man-thing? In women's changing rooms, most women use towels to cover themselves, and the majority tend to reveal their nudity sparingly, ie, turning round to put on their bra with the towel still covering their nether regions.

MOST women don't wander around totally naked. The odd one who is clearly 'shameless' is just that - the odd one.

I'm not surprised that people want to shield their young sons from men apparently flaunting their manhood. Is that what we're really to expect goes on in men's changing rooms?

Have to say, I somehow expected a little more decorum, especially in front of young boys on their own. Men, hang your heads in shame!

Check out Virgin, there's loads of women who wander around naked.

I honestly do not see why everyone is getting so worked up about this, surely it's a matter of context? Seeing naked people in communal changing rooms is totally normal. Only when a said naked person starts to encroach one one's personal space or behave in an inappropriate way, would it become an issue.

My son is 10, I still wander around naked in front of him and this present time, he's not uncomfortable with that. As soon as he starts to feel uncomfortable then I will stop.

We live in a climate of suspiscion, paranoia and fear, how is that good for a kid whose likelihood of having an encounter with some random paedophile is totally remote? Do you worry every time your son spends time alone with an adult member of your family or a friend's parents or family friend? Statistically, that's where they're most at risk, not in a communal changing room.

Check out Virgin, there's loads of women who wander around naked.

I honestly do not see why everyone is getting so worked up about this, surely it's a matter of context? Seeing naked people in communal changing rooms is totally normal. Only when a said naked person starts to encroach one one's personal space or behave in an inappropriate way, would it become an issue.

My son is 10, I still wander around naked in front of him and this present time, he's not uncomfortable with that. As soon as he starts to feel uncomfortable then I will stop.

We live in a climate of suspiscion, paranoia and fear, how is that good for a kid whose likelihood of having an encounter with some random paedophile is totally remote? Do you worry every time your son spends time alone with an adult member of your family or a friend's parents or family friend? Statistically, that's where they're most at risk, not in a communal changing room.

I've been a member of Virgin, hence my comments. My son is 14, hence my comments.

I tend not to these days - they're of an age where they'd rather not see their old man in the buff. When they were younger I'd not be bothered in the slightest - nor would they.

They like a bit of privacy; I respect that.

Which was my point. :)

So Mathom and Depoix, what age should a boy stop changing in the female changing rooms with a load of women they don't know (and their mother)?
Do the women in there have no right to expect it to be women only?

Mathom - I cannot understand how a paedophile could abuse a communal changing area. They're spaces you pass through in minutes, after doing a work out or swimming or a class, so firstly they'd have to do that. Then the chance of their even being a child in there is low, and any inappropriate behaviour would be seen by a room full of other adults... Your assertion that they are 'risky places' doesn't seem to stand up to any logical thought.

I've been a member of Virgin, hence my comments. My son is 14, hence my comments.

Presumably he uses the male changing room?
What age did he start doing that?
Has he ever come out and said that someone was behaving strangely?

What some parents are forgetting is how embarrassing it is to be a youngster who would really rather their mum and dad would cover up a bit more instead of wandering round without a care in the world. You just do not dare say anything to them because being in a state of puberty anything to do with that is mortally embarrassing. No matter how much your parents stripped off.

But you DO say things to your mates and snigger about it later. A couple of lads at our school had naturist parents and even to this day their parents, both solicitors back then, are still known as Hairy Scrote Bags and Vinegar Tits. What's even worse, everyone's parents called them that too and laughed about it.

So Mathom and Depoix, what age should a boy stop changing in the female changing rooms with a load of women they don't know (and their mother)?
Do the women in there have no right to expect it to be women only?

Mathom - I cannot understand how a paedophile could abuse a communal changing area. They're spaces you pass through in minutes, after doing a work out or swimming or a class, so firstly they'd have to do that. Then the chance of their even being a child in there is low, and any inappropriate behaviour would be seen by a room full of other adults... Your assertion that they are 'risky places' doesn't seem to stand up to any logical thought.how about stalking,or grooming, i'll go with mathom on this, iv'e stated my case, the rest is up to the other posters to decide, but at least i walk away knowing my morals are intact, please yourself cyclone and halibut,keep your views, they arn't the same as mine and others but at least we have all shown our true colours

I've been a member of Virgin, hence my comments. My son is 14, hence my comments.

Sorry, you've lost me there, you said most women don't wander around naked, whereas my experience of Virgin is quite the reverse.

Your son is 14 now, however you stated:

My son hasn't seen me naked for many many years, not since he was a tot. Somehow, it would feel wrong. I have no need to thrust nakedness onto him. I think a degree of dignity is appropriate.

Obviously at 14, a lad would not want to see his mother naked and vice versa and I agree there comes a point when it is no longer appropriate. However, you said since 'a tot' which to me means a toddler, so it implied that since toddlerhood you'd felt it inappropriate for him to see you naked.

Obvious 'wandering around' naked has been minimal in the gym changing rooms I've used. Most are naked as a consequence of what they're doing: transferring a sweaty, smelly body into the shower. The experience has mostly been along the lines of that described by Cyclone, where folk have their own bubble of personal space and efficiently undress, shower and dress with minimal attention paid to others (though a few do contort under a towel as one might do on a public beach).

I've never seen a boy old enough to be alone and look after himself in a public place in a women's changing room. I would imagine by the age of 8 or 9 or so, it would start to be a little embarrassing for him to be surrounded by women getting undressed, however discreetly. It would also be unreasonable for women to have to modify their usual changing room behaviour to accommodate him.

So Mathom and Depoix, what age should a boy stop changing in the female changing rooms with a load of women they don't know (and their mother)?
Do the women in there have no right to expect it to be women only?

Mathom - I cannot understand how a paedophile could abuse a communal changing area. They're spaces you pass through in minutes, after doing a work out or swimming or a class, so firstly they'd have to do that. Then the chance of their even being a child in there is low, and any inappropriate behaviour would be seen by a room full of other adults... Your assertion that they are 'risky places' doesn't seem to stand up to any logical thought.

One thing I've been told that they do is to simply catch the eye of a child - and you must know how quick eye contact can be and how loaded it can be. Paedophiles do not just do the obvious. Like that teacher who was at our school - he simply winked and grinned, over in a split second but it was enough to convey what he was thinking and the dirty sod will have been getting off on that thought for months. Meanwhile he managed to upset a load of kids in that split second.

These places should provide family changing areas, and the risk might go down.

Obvious 'wandering around' naked has been minimal in the gym changing rooms I've used. Most are naked as a consequence of what they're doing: transferring a sweaty, smelly body into the shower. The experience has mostly been along the lines of that described by Cyclone, where folk have their own bubble of personal space and efficiently undress, shower and dress with minimal attention paid to others (though a few do contort under a towel as one might do on a public beach).

I've never seen a boy old enough to be alone and look after himself in a public place in a women's changing room. I would imagine by the age of 8 or 9 or so, it would start to be a little embarrassing for him to be surrounded by women getting undressed, however discreetly. It would also be unreasonable for women to have to modify their usual changing room behaviour to accommodate him.

Quite, why should men and women scuttle around like rabbits caught in the headlights for fear of their naked, in between getting dressed, state being misconstrued by someone whose kid happens to be in there?

One thing I've been told that they do is to simply catch the eye of a child - and you must know how quick eye contact can be and how loaded it can be. Paedophiles do not just do the obvious. Like that teacher who was at our school - he simply winked and grinned, over in a split second but it was enough to convey what he was thinking and the dirty sod will have been getting off on that thought for months. Meanwhile he managed to upset a load of kids in that split second.

These places should provide family changing areas, and the risk might go down.


Well the private gyms to provide family changing areas, I don't know about the council run ones though.

I'm now paranoid as I wink and grin at a lot of little kiddies when I'm out and about, does that make me some child predator?

These places should provide family changing areas, and the risk might go down.

The biggest risk to children is in the family environment. Surely an argument against having family areas, wouldn't you agree.

I'm now paranoid as I wink and grin at a lot of little kiddies when I'm out and about, does that make me some child predator?

A woman dressed and on the street winking and smiling at your child is a bit different to some hairy arsed bloke standing with his legs spread while he dries his goolies and winking at your child?

The biggest risk to children is in the family environment. Surely an argument against having family areas, wouldn't you agree.

Wouldn't you agree that's a fine Straw Man? Not buying, sorry. ;)

A woman dressed and on the street winking and smiling at your child is a bit different to some hairy arsed bloke standing with his legs spread while he dries his goolies and winking at your child?

Sorry, I just laughed out loud. OK, I accept that is different, but I also smile (sweetly I hope, rather than grimacing in some menacing and threatening manner) at little kiddies in the changing rooms too. If I see a child which I find appealing (in a non-sexual way, I hasten to add, before I get labelled a paedo) then I do engage with them.

Sorry, I just laughed out loud. OK, I accept that is different, but I also smile (sweetly I hope, rather than grimacing in some menacing and threatening manner) at little kiddies in the changing rooms too. If I see a child which I find appealing (in a non-sexual way, I hasten to add, before I get labelled a paedo) then I do engage with them.

:o:o Surely not actually talking to another human being in a changing room, especially one YOUNGER than yourself!

Didn't you ever see this on TV in the 1970's Charlie Says... (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=85UlWqk-YKI)

You'll get labelled.....soon it'll be "no naked showering, no talking, no breathing, no carrying water bottles to/from the gym, no sweating"...oh and we'll all be required to wear blinkers so we can't look from side to side :loopy:

Mick :)

:o:o Surely not actually talking to another human being in a changing room, especially one YOUNGER than yourself!

Didn't you ever see this on TV in the 1970's Charlie Says... (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=85UlWqk-YKI)

You'll get labelled.....soon it'll be "no naked showering, no talking, no breathing, no carrying water bottles to/from the gym, no sweating"...oh and we'll all be required to wear blinkers so we can't look from side to side :loopy:

Mick :)

Shocking isn't it? :loopy:

Don't be silly dynamick - nice bit of hyperbole though.

Sorry, I just laughed out loud. OK, I accept that is different, but I also smile (sweetly I hope, rather than grimacing in some menacing and threatening manner) at little kiddies in the changing rooms too. If I see a child which I find appealing (in a non-sexual way, I hasten to add, before I get labelled a paedo) then I do engage with them.

So long as you don't happen to be drying your baps or something at the same time, it's a smile. ;) I think people assume kids only know/think about Peter Rabbit and stuff like that but it's surprising what they do understand and misunderstand, and body language is a powerful language as we all know.

Don't be silly dynamick - nice bit of hyperbole though.



So long as you don't happen to be drying your baps or something at the same time, it's a smile. ;) I think people assume kids only know/think about Peter Rabbit and stuff like that but it's surprising what they do understand and misunderstand, and body language is a powerful language as we all know.

So drying yourself after a shower is sexualised behaviour as well now is it? Jeez...........

So drying yourself after a shower is sexualised behaviour as well now is it? Jeez...........

While winking at kiddies?

Give it a rest - if you're that naive about body language then I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever actually managed to father any children. ;)

I feel a bit guilty now, there seems to be some big debate developed from the OP about homsexuality being rtelated to paedaphilia (rediculous),and children seeing naked bodies being wrong and damaging (rediculous).

I will admit that my whole problem initially with this was kiddyfiddlers (homosexual or hetrosexual). But on thinking about it I just don't think that 8 is old enough to be in the changing rooms by himself.
Children at that age need security, if they fall down they need their Mum Or Dad (or Aunty!).
I just don't think they're ready for that level of independance at age 8.

So drying yourself after a shower is sexualised behaviour as well now is it? Jeez...........
So you would be quite happy to let your kids go naked in changing rooms with the likes of Mr Gadd and others with the same inclination?

I was going to post right after your original post Scoop, but couldn't be bothered. Just as well, I'd have got myself involved in 13 pages of arguments that could be done in 10 minutes in real life[time]. So I'll just comment on this post, the second part of which relates to my original thought. (which I doubt you'll like)
I feel a bit guilty now, there seems to be some big debate developed from the OP about homsexuality being rtelated to paedaphilia (rediculous),and children seeing naked bodies being wrong and damaging (rediculous).
Firstly, I would bypass most of the silly posts about that ^^
I will admit that my whole problem initially with this was kiddyfiddlers (homosexual or hetrosexual). But on thinking about it I just don't think that 8 is old enough to be in the changing rooms by himself.
Children at that age need security, if they fall down they need their Mum Or Dad (or Aunty!).
I just don't think they're ready for that level of independance at age 8.
My bold.. This was obvious in the first post, but what struck me is not this, it was that an 8 year old would also be worried.

Why would an 8 year old be worried? And worried about what, is more important?

I was taught 'don't accept things from strangers, if someone asks you to go for an ice cream etc etc tell Mum', and that was that.

For me, if when I was in the changing room, someone pulled out a flash camera and said 'let me take photos of you' I would consider that a 'report to Mum' event.

I don't know if they still have swimming session times like they used to, maybe now people go in and out willy nilly (no pun). But when I went, everyone was changing together in between sessions, the worst that would happen was that if a 'paedo' was in there, he could look at me.

So Mathom and Depoix, what age should a boy stop changing in the female changing rooms with a load of women they don't know (and their mother)?
Do the women in there have no right to expect it to be women only?


What's up, this question too difficult to answer, or is it just that you'll look silly when you say nine?

Why would an 8 year old be worried? And worried about what, is more important?

I was taught 'don't accept things from strangers, if someone asks you to go for an ice cream etc etc tell Mum', and that was that.

For me, if when I was in the changing room, someone pulled out a flash camera and said 'let me take photos of you' I would consider that a 'report to Mum' event.

I don't know if they still have swimming session times like they used to, maybe now people go in and out willy nilly (no pun). But when I went, everyone was changing together in between sessions, the worst that would happen was that if a 'paedo' was in there, he could look at me.

Why indeed? Unless they'd been infected with their parents peculiar notions about nudity being something dreadful to be avoided at all costs - or their 'paedogeddon'-style paranoia.....

What some parents are forgetting is how embarrassing it is to be a youngster who would really rather their mum and dad would cover up a bit more instead of wandering round without a care in the world. You just do not dare say anything to them because being in a state of puberty anything to do with that is mortally embarrassing. No matter how much your parents stripped off.


I think we are getting to the root of your problem here.

I think we are getting to the root of your problem here.

No. It's any child. Including those of naturists etc. They find it embarrassing and a bit vile. They know it's not normal to parade about in the buff, and it hasn't been normal since we left the caves.

i think eight years old is too young to be going into changing rooms on their own i wouldn,t let one go to public tiolets on their own

i think eight years old is too young to be going into changing rooms on their own i wouldn,t let one go to public tiolets on their own

So what age would you consider it OK for children to be going into changing rooms for their own sex?

How old do you think it OK for boys/girls to be in changing rooms for the opposite sex?

i think eight years old is too young to be going into changing rooms on their own i wouldn,t let one go to public tiolets on their own

Really? And what would you do if the boy refused point blank to use the ladies or the female changing facilities, as my son did aged 8?

i used to go to the baths same sex changing rooms from about 6 years old but not on my own i havent got an issue with nudity my kids used to bathe with me as toddlers i just think eight years old is a little too young to be on their own

Aah right, well maybe they were occupied or something at the time. There's more than a couple on the ladies' changing rooms.

There is a family room in the Mens too. Its on the left as you walk through.

i used to go to the baths same sex changing rooms from about 6 years old but not on my own i havent got an issue with nudity my kids used to bathe with me as toddlers i just think eight years old is a little too young to be on their own

What age isn't too young then?

There is a family room in the Mens too. Its on the left as you walk through.

I seem to recall that there were some girls in there, so he refused to go in.:rolleyes:

I seem to recall that there were some girls in there, so he refused to go in.:rolleyes:

Fair enough, Girls whisper and don't like football :hihi:

I do find the kids cute with those Daffy Duck towels with hoods on them. Not seen them before I joined at Virgin

Fair enough, Girls whisper and don't like football :hihi:

I do find the kids cute with those Daffy Duck towels with hoods on them. Not seen them before I joined at Virgin

Be careful how you look at the now, someone may yell paedo.:rolleyes:

Be careful how you look at the now, someone may yell paedo.:rolleyes:

If someone looked at my son getting changed for swimming I would probably march them right out of there and apply some shoe leather to their jacksie.

I aint gonna be all metropolitan and cool about it, I'd damn well be Medieval. :thumbsup:

Be careful how you look at the now, someone may yell paedo.:rolleyes:

And they probably will :rolleyes:

Which would make all parents paedo's as parents always see their kids as cute.

If someone looked at my son getting changed for swimming I would probably march them right out of there and apply some shoe leather to their jacksie.

I aint gonna be all metropolitan and cool about it, I'd damn well be Medieval. :thumbsup:

What a role model you are being.

If someone looked at my son getting changed for swimming I would probably march them right out of there and apply some shoe leather to their jacksie.

I aint gonna be all metropolitan and cool about it, I'd damn well be Medieval. :thumbsup:

For God's sake, what if it just happend to be casual, innocent, accidental glance? You're going to make people totally paranoid. I'm now fearful of so much as glanding in any child's direction in the changing rooms now.:rolleyes:

What a role model you are being.

I couldn't give a fig. My child, my rules.

I don't go as far as most parents. So much as cast a glance at most people's babies in their prams and they look at you like they will eat your brains if you dare do that again, but I don't mind people even chugging his cheeks. But look at his arris while he's changing and I will sort you out.

For God's sake, what if it just happend to be casual, innocent, accidental glance? You're going to make people totally paranoid. I'm now fearful of so much as glanding in any child's direction in the changing rooms now.:rolleyes:

I fear for any random grannies saying hello to his kids, seeing a granny getting beat-up must be quite traumatic for a kid.

But look at his arris while he's changing and I will sort you out.

It might be best to keep him indoors until he is an adult, you're a bit obsessed.

It might be best to keep him indoors until he is an adult, you're a bit obsessed.

Read what I said. I'm mild Korma. Most parents are more like a Vindaloo when it comes to looking at their kids. But one thing I won't tolerate is a stranger invading his privacy as he has a right to his dignity.

What people who do not have kids or who raise them in freewheeling ways think about it doesn't concern me when it comes to mine.

If someone looked at my son getting changed for swimming I would probably march them right out of there and apply some shoe leather to their jacksie.

I aint gonna be all metropolitan and cool about it, I'd damn well be Medieval. :thumbsup:

When they are wearing these towels with hoods you can only see their face, hands, anckles and feet. It's not the same as watching a kid changing.

And if you tried to give me some shoe leather you'd find your shoes somewhere not too pretty. :rant:

And if you tried to give me some shoe leather you'd find your shoes somewhere not too pretty. :rant:

dad fight !

Read what I said. I'm mild Korma. Most parents are more like a Vindaloo when it comes to looking at their kids. But one thing I won't tolerate is a stranger invading his privacy as he has a right to his dignity.

What people who do not have kids or who raise them in freewheeling ways think about it doesn't concern me when it comes to mine.

In which case, in order to avoid false accusations and preserve your sense of righteousness, I suggest that you always get changed in a cubicle.

dad fight !

Not exactly ;)

Though you really don't want to go there when I am riled...

dad fight !

I'm not a Dad yet

i still think eight years old is to young for a child to go into changing rooms by themselves. if any parents see fit to let their eight year old go in by themselves thats upto them people,s idea,s differ its like what age do you feel comfortable letting your child walk to school on their own

i still think eight years old is to young for a child to go into changing rooms by themselves. if any parents see fit to let their eight year old go in by themselves thats upto them people,s idea,s differ its like what age do you feel comfortable letting your child walk to school on their own

How old is old enough for a child to go into a changing room on their own?

I'm not a Dad yet

Nor is Mathom, she's a woman.

How old is old enough for a child to go into a changing room on their own? in my opinion about 10 -11 years old

Nor is Mathom, she's a woman.

Ah, thats funny. :hihi:

However I'd never be violent against a woman so take back what I said.

in my opinion about 10 -11 years old

So, they must continue to go swimming or whatever, with the parent of the same sex (provided they have one of the same sex) so they can use the same changing facilties?

So, they must continue to go swimming or whatever, with the parent of the same sex (provided they have one of the same sex) so they can use the same changing facilties?

Thats a good point, what if a single Mum has a little boy. I think we should let them change in the Mens too :hihi:

So, they must continue to go swimming or whatever, with the parent of the same sex (provided they have one of the same sex) so they can use the same changing facilties?

The problem could be easily solved if they just had proper changing rooms! Including big ones for families who want to help their kids get dressed or for wheelchair users and so on.

let me try to make it easier for you..homosexuality = sex with the same gender.ok?with me so far ?

now,an 8 year old boy in a locker room with naked men = have you figured it out yet ?
tell me,do you and halibut work as a team ?or is just coincidence you both happened along on the same thread at the very same time ?

now,the whole stance on here is this, there are those with morals that believe a very young child in it's formative years should not be exposed to strangers who are naked...

then there are the others who think they should, i'll leave it up to the posters to form their own opinions on this.

now halibut,i notice you called me a coward,but you waited until i told you i was logging off for the night, then you ask me to name names,which would, as you know have lead to a ban, im not a small child that would fall into such a trap,but i will leave you with the fact that i dont have to name any one, they have more than likely done that for themselves with their posts and other posters can form their own opinions for themselves

now,i'm off out, enjoy your day.depoix


Ive figured out what your saying which basically is that all gay men or even just all men are pedophiles.

So it that what you really think, leave an 8 year old boy in the male chainging room and chances are he is going to get abused.

Read what I said. I'm mild Korma. Most parents are more like a Vindaloo when it comes to looking at their kids. But one thing I won't tolerate is a stranger invading his privacy as he has a right to his dignity.

What people who do not have kids or who raise them in freewheeling ways think about it doesn't concern me when it comes to mine.


You want to protect your child?

Reflect on the fact that physically beating up any adult who glances at your child, will probably lead to you being locked up.

That will not be good for your child.

You want to protect your child?

Reflect on the fact that physically beating up any adult who glances at your child, will probably lead to you being locked up.

That will not be good for your child.

Whatever, but it wouldn't be me going on the Sex Offender's Register, and believe me, if some freak was goggling at my kid getting undressed I wouldn't stop until their life had been destroyed.

God knows why people who use gymnasia think they are immune from the same laws that apply to everyone else?

Whatever, but it wouldn't be me going on the Sex Offender's Register, and believe me, if some freak was goggling at my kid getting undressed I wouldn't stop until their life had been destroyed.

God knows why people who use gymnasia think they are immune from the same laws that apply to everyone else?

To be fair though, if someone started trying to pull and push me around in the swimming pool changing room whilst i was in the undressed state of getting changed; I would want to push for charges of indecent assault against the person pulling and pushing me.

God knows why people who use gymnasia think they are immune from the same laws that apply to everyone else?

What laws are people in gyms breaking ?

(apart from the unwritten law that fat people shouldn't wear lycra)

To be fair though, if someone started trying to pull and push me around in the swimming pool changing room whilst i was in the undressed state of getting changed; I would want to push for charges of indecent assault against the person pulling and pushing me.

Somehow I think that the police would be more concerned with the fact that you had been gawping at a small boy getting dressed. Before giving you a good kicking round the cells later.

Got any kids? When you get some, try telling me that you would be quite content for a stranger to gawp at them getting undressed and would not have a pop at them. If you already have them and you are happy for weirdos to look at them getting undressed then you are a very, very sick puppy.

What laws are people in gyms breaking ?

(apart from the unwritten law that fat people shouldn't wear lycra)

That to some, it's somehow not only OK but a fabulously healthy thing to look at naked children when in a changing room, maybe?

The kind of things being repeated here only reinforces the fact that leisure centre changing rooms are one of the last public refuges for people with dodgy intent.

I can see why everyone is getting upset because they are thinking "Oh, but I'm not like that!". Well, you may very well not be, but it doesn't change the fact that some people are, and you are changing your kecks in a room where they are.

Somehow I think that the police would be more concerned with the fact that you had been gawping at a small boy getting dressed. Before giving you a good kicking round the cells later.


I think what is worrying people is what you would define as a "gawp", unless everyone in the changing room has their backs to you and their eyes shut they are bound to look at you in the process of looking around (like people do).

Sitting staring is very weird but glancing at people isn't, the people in the changing room would probably think you were being a bit pervy for watching them intently to make sure they arn't gawping.

That to some, it's somehow not only OK but a fabulously healthy thing to look at naked children when in a changing room, maybe?


No-one has said that, it might be what you've read into it, but it's not what anyone has said.

The kind of things being repeated here only reinforces the fact that leisure centre changing rooms are one of the last public refuges for people with dodgy intent.

And thats just laughable.

Cancelled.

I think what is worrying people is what you would define as a "gawp", unless everyone in the changing room has their backs to you and their eyes shut they are bound to look at you in the process of looking around (like people do).

Sitting staring is very weird but glancing at people isn't, the people in the changing room would probably think you were being a bit pervy for watching them intently to make sure they arn't gawping.

Look up some psychological info on exhibitionism. They don't sit there with their jaw hanging open and drool hanging out of it, in fact they're more likely to catch the eye of your kid and quickly make a gesture, while all the time you are busily trying to avoid eye contact with anyone.

You know how body language works.

Which is why cubicles are the way to go for family users.

And that is the issue here. Have those and there is no issue except for adults and they can sort themselves out if they think someone's being weird.

Somehow I think that the police would be more concerned with the fact that you had been gawping at a small boy getting dressed. Before giving you a good kicking round the cells later.

Got any kids? When you get some, try telling me that you would be quite content for a stranger to gawp at them getting undressed and would not have a pop at them. If you already have them and you are happy for weirdos to look at them getting undressed then you are a very, very sick puppy.

Really? You never mentioned anyone gawping at you kid you said:

If someone looked at my son getting changed for swimming I would probably march them right out of there and apply some shoe leather to their jacksie.

So, when I am busy trying to get my child and myself changed and I accidently "look" at your child, would you really come up to me and my child whilst we are both undressed and then proceed to try to pull and push me around?

And after behaving in such a manner do you really think that the police would accept your defence of "he looked at my child"? I think that the police are going to be more interested in your actions rather than your baseless allegations.

And thats just laughable.

No it isn't. Everyone is in a state of denial about it. Face facts.

Look up some psychological info on exhibitionism. They don't sit there with their jaw hanging open and drool hanging out of it, in fact they're more likely to catch the eye of your kid and quickly make a gesture, while all the time you are busily trying to avoid eye contact with anyone.

You know how body language works.


You have some very odd ideas, hopefully you're not passing them on to your kids who will probably never leave the house after you've finished scaring them to death.

Mathom, you may as well just adopt Michael Jackson's approach and shroud your kids in a veil, lest anyone so much as glance at them. Paedos can be anywhere and many will get their rocks off even looking at a kid they find appealing, clothed or not.

You're skirting dangerous close to the Islamic philosophy of covering up in order to protect oneself from unwelcome gazes.