Is anyone else slightly worried that the Watchmen film will muck up the story and the characters? I know the director has said he'll be faithful to the book, but I was watching something about it today and the fact that he's chosen young actors worries me a lot. The point of the Watchmen is they're middle aged and a bit gone to seed - I keep thinking about Peter Jackson casting the pre-pubescent Elijah Wood as Frodo in LotR, when the character's supposed to be in his fifties...

I'm also a bit worried they're going to aim for the teen boy market with loads of whizz bangs and whatnot whereas Watchmen is an incredibly subtle story :(

By the way.......Who is your fave character in Watchmen? :cool:

The decision to use younger actors and then age them artificially was made as it allows the plethora of flashbacks to work so much better (rather than trying to get two actors for each role and hoping they look similar). The trailer released earlier this year was astounding, and got me flicking through my old comics looking for the frames that each of the shots was taken from (and then re-reading the whole thing).

It is looking amazingly faithful to the comic series, and Zack Snyder's submitted cut was over the 2 hrs 30 mins mark. The studio have told him to edit out what he can to make it "audience friendly" but (as Peter Jackson did with LOTRO) Snyder has already promised a full version (even longer than his submitted cut) for DVD. To quote an interview with Snyder after test footage screening...

“Run time now is right around 2 hours and 43 minutes,” he said, adding that he doesn’t expect it to get much shorter.

The Black Freighter?

The comic-within-a-comic will be released by Warner Premier packaged with “Under the Hood,” a mockumentary using interviews the actors gave in character about the world of “Watchmen.” We knew the “Black Freighter” was going to hit DVD. I might have had wax in my ears when he said it, but Snyder seemed to indicate, however, that if all goes to plan, an extended cut may also reach theaters. (source: http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/10/02/watchmen-footage-showcased-zack-snyder-talks-lawsuit-sequel-running-time-and-more/ )


Approx 20 minutes of the film was screened a few weeks back and got a huge thumbs up from all who saw it (I beleive I caught that news on Aint It Cool News site), and the fanboys are actually ready to adore it. For a spoiler filled breakdown of the tested footage see http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1596149/story.jhtml

The only problem.....

20th Century Fox are claiming they still own the rights to Watchmen (Warners have made it) and are trying to block it from being released (they are refusing a % of the takings). The case goes to court in January next year, and could mean a delay or cancellation of the proposed early March release date.

As for favourite character - Has to be Rorschach....he is our entry point to the tale, and (despite being a certifiable loon) expresses ideas and thoughts exactly as we would like to express them.

With the LOTRO reference (Frodo too young), you do realise that 50 in hobbit age is around 18 to 20 in man years? Thus Wood was perfectly cast age wise.

The decision to use younger actors and then age them artificially was made as it allows the plethora of flashbacks to work so much better (rather than trying to get two actors for each role and hoping they look similar). The trailer released earlier this year was astounding, and got me flicking through my old comics looking for the frames that each of the shots was taken from (and then re-reading the whole thing).

Don't get me wrong, I'm prepared to like it (hell, I'm going to make sure I see it!) because I was surprised with myself and enjoyed 300 in the end, despite it being the opposite of subtle. But the main action is in the 'present' in terms of the story, and I've still not seen any pictures of how the characters will look once 'aged'.

I'm not convinced the costume updates work because surely as characters they would have the 'naive' styles of costume, being just a bunch of 'fanboys' who decided to become masked adventurers and making homespun outfits - and then leaving them in the wardrobe to gather dust. Though modern audiences would probably not appreciate that "60s Batman and Robin" style of costume. Hmmm....

20th Century Fox are claiming they still own the rights to Watchmen (Warners have made it) and are trying to block it from being released (they are refusing a % of the takings). The case goes to court in January next year, and could mean a delay or cancellation of the proposed early March release date.

Is this why you can't find those animated comics on the net any more?

As for favourite character - Has to be Rorschach....he is our entry point to the tale, and (despite being a certifiable loon) expresses ideas and thoughts exactly as we would like to express them.

Why is Rorschach so cool though? He's an absolutist and even an extremist. He's definitely one of the "hang 'em and flog 'em brigade". He's ugly and damaged. Yet he's so much cooler than Ozymandias who is the epitome of a 'superhero'.

With the LOTRO reference (Frodo too young), you do realise that 50 in hobbit age is around 18 to 20 in man years? Thus Wood was perfectly cast age wise.

Hobbits 'come of age' at around 33, so even if you think they age more slowly (which they don't - Bilbo's great age was freakish and unusual), at around 50 a Hobbit would probably be at least 30-odd in our years. Look at how Ian Holm looked in the scenes where he finds the Ring in Gollum's lair, that's how old Frodo should look ;)

Really looking forward to seeing this.

Has anyone read the graphic novel? The reviews on Amazon make it a tempting purchase.

Really looking forward to seeing this.

Has anyone read the graphic novel? The reviews on Amazon make it a tempting purchase.

A tempting purchase? I'd go as far to say that if you aren't into graphic novels, Watchmen is where to start.

If you are into graphic novels and you haven't got it, get it.

A tempting purchase? I'd go as far to say that if you aren't into graphic novels, Watchmen is where to start.

If you are into graphic novels and you haven't got it, get it.

I have some Sin City ones but whilst enjoying them, found them way too quick to read.

I have some Sin City ones but whilst enjoying them, found them way too quick to read.

Sin City is mostly about the visual style, Watchmen is much more about the story. You'll still read it quickly but it's still very, very good. I'd say get Watchmen and if you don't like it, you can at least be satisfied that graphic novels aren't your thing.

But if you do enjoy it, come back on here and I (and a few others on here) can recommend you some more stuff.

The first reviews of the film are out and it's looking good. The novel is one of the best pieces of fiction ever, regardless of format.

And in response to the OP, Rorscasch!

Sin City is mostly about the visual style, Watchmen is much more about the story. You'll still read it quickly but it's still very, very good. I'd say get Watchmen and if you don't like it, you can at least be satisfied that graphic novels aren't your thing.

But if you do enjoy it, come back on here and I (and a few others on here) can recommend you some more stuff.

I'm now quite tempted to purchase The Absolute Watchmen edition (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/116577491411149.htm)

I'm now quite tempted to purchase The Absolute Watchmen edition (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/116577491411149.htm)

That looks nice. In a way I'm gutted that I have the normal version, now the film's coming out there's loads of different covers to choose from!

Going to see it tonight. Can't. Wait.

Going to see it tonight. Can't. Wait.

Jealous! My babysitting fell through so I can't get to see it yet. NOOOOO!!!!! :mad:

The more I read about this, the more it looks like it will be decent. Saw Wossy reviewing it and he said it was almost too close to the original, and of course then we will have the DVD which will be a much longer cut.

There have been some good 'virals' on YouTube too, like alternate universe information films and news reports. :thumbsup:

Only a few hours to go before I finally get to see it. I will inevitably post my thoughts on here when I get back in the wee small hours, with a full review probably posted to my website sometime tomorrow.

All signs so far are good for it, with the only negative reviews being from sources that I have no respect for anyway (News of the World critic, reviewers who hated films like Sin City and 300, etc).

I'm so excited right now!!!

Well...I watched the Watchmen.....

A staggeringly faithful adaptation of the source material. I was gobsmacked how much Snyder managed to keep in from the comics, and the tweak to the ending actually worked well. Casting was almost perfect, with Rorschach being portrayed just right in my eyes. A few noticable trims down of the story (I did miss the full psyciatric evaluation section of Rorschach, but hope that we see more of it in the promised extended DVD/Blu Ray release), but pretty much the whole thing was there.

Visually superb, and a great soundtrack. I am certainly one happy fanboy right now!

What a fantastic film. The only thing that spoiled it very slightly for me, and I'm being very picky here, is that I felt the section with Jon dropping the photograph should have been word for word copied from the novel as that was the part of the novel that blew my mind when I read it.

But as I say, I am being picky. When the Black Freighter is reinstated to the story, it will be damn good.

Well...I watched the Watchmen.....

A staggeringly faithful adaptation of the source material. I was gobsmacked how much Snyder managed to keep in from the comics, and the tweak to the ending actually worked well. Casting was almost perfect, with Rorschach being portrayed just right in my eyes. A few noticable trims down of the story (I did miss the full psyciatric evaluation section of Rorschach, but hope that we see more of it in the promised extended DVD/Blu Ray release), but pretty much the whole thing was there.

Visually superb, and a great soundtrack. I am certainly one happy fanboy right now!

How would you compare it with The Dark Knight? How violent was it? Was it overly sexualised? And how big really is Dr. Manahattan's . . . . ?

It's a shame the psychiatric evaluation wasn't in, though I guess something had to give.

How would you compare it with The Dark Knight? How violent was it? Was it overly sexualised? And how big really is Dr. Manahattan's . . . . ?

It's a shame the psychiatric evaluation wasn't in, though I guess something had to give.

I am not going to compare it to Dark Knight - Watchmen is a completely different entity to other comic books as it dissects them and twists them. It would be like comparing Star Wars and Star Trek - both sci fi with ships, but totally differing styles.

Watchmen is VERY violent. Bones snap, blood sprays, etc. It is as sexualised as the comic is, and Manhattan packs an impressive...erm...package :) Kind of bizarre how you tend to not really notice he is walking around starkers for most of the film - it just becomes normal.

There is a bit of the psych evaluation in there, but it is really cut down - we don't get to see how the psychiatrist begins to think like Rorschach and see the world through his eyes.

No spoilers though please, I'm looking forwards to seeing how they handle the ending!!!! :thumbsup:

Was the bit where Dr Manhattan is 'created' good? That part always freaks me out in the book.

No spoilers though please, I'm looking forwards to seeing how they handle the ending!!!! :thumbsup:

Was the bit where Dr Manhattan is 'created' good? That part always freaks me out in the book.

It is good. Very good. I just felt that of all the novel, they should have done that bit exactly. The part where he's dropping the photograph is my favourite section from any comic.

Wish I'd known more about the graphic novel in the past, I've never been into "superheroes" but I would have liked this and many other more alternative comics had I been able to find out about it.

Should I borrow the novel off someone or is it definitely worth buying? Would you read it twice?

I am not going to compare it to Dark Knight - Watchmen is a completely different entity to other comic books as it dissects them and twists them. It would be like comparing Star Wars and Star Trek - both sci fi with ships, but totally differing styles.

Watchmen is VERY violent. Bones snap, blood sprays, etc. It is as sexualised as the comic is, and Manhattan packs an impressive...erm...package :) Kind of bizarre how you tend to not really notice he is walking around starkers for most of the film - it just becomes normal.

There is a bit of the psych evaluation in there, but it is really cut down - we don't get to see how the psychiatrist begins to think like Rorschach and see the world through his eyes.

I didn't mean a direct comparison, more in terms of quality than content. When you watch the Dark Night, you know you're watching something special, like Godfather, Doubt, The Insider, Casper The Friendly Ghost.

There's a difference, because comic book fans tend to be a bit fanatical and foggy in judgement. You can't quite trust them.

It's a fine line with comic movies. Batman and Spiderman made a great stab at it, and The Dark Night succeeded. I was just wondering if The Watchmen fitted in to a 'great-adaption-of-a-comic-film' or just a 'great film'.

I was just wondering if The Watchmen fitted in to a 'great-adaption-of-a-comic-film' or just a 'great film'.

I would class it as great adaptation of the comic - but then again, having read the comic many times over the years I was wanting nothing more.

Chatting to my non-comic reading buddies and most of them enjoyed it as a film in itself, one commenting that it was "Really well made, and a perfect complete story".

It was an exceptionally good film! All my fears about them making it to appeal more to the 'teen' audience were dispelled - this was one for the grown ups who understand what being a grown up is all about ;) Not only was all the violence handled well and unflinchingly, all the more intimate elements of the story were too, the stuff about human relationships.

It's not often I can enjoy a film made from a favourite book, so often they feel like just a rattle through the main points of the narrative (Golden Compass) or the director feels he has to mess about with it to the point of making it incoherent (Two Towers), but this was a 'no compromise' adaptation - the bits left out were not really missed, the alterations were coherent and sensible, and Snyder captured the essence of the book, which was impressive seeing as it covers more themes than you can imagine.

Go and see it if you aint :thumbsup:

I've now bought the Absolute Watchmen book.

Would you guys recommend reading it before or after seeing the film?

Wish I'd known more about the graphic novel in the past, I've never been into "superheroes" but I would have liked this and many other more alternative comics had I been able to find out about it.

Should I borrow the novel off someone or is it definitely worth buying? Would you read it twice?

I've read it about 5 times!

I've now bought the Absolute Watchmen book.

Would you guys recommend reading it before or after seeing the film?

Before. You'll know the whole story then and see what bits are missing. The director isn't totally happy with the released cut because he says the dvd will be a fair whack longer.

Before. You'll know the whole story then and see what bits are missing. The director isn't totally happy with the released cut because he says the dvd will be a fair whack longer.

I can't wait til that's out now - it just gets better :thumbsup:

Either way, I don't think you could tell where the obvious edits had been made so I can't imagine what extra stuff is going to be on it besides the Black Freighter tales. Oooh, exciting! :cool:

Kind of bizarre how you tend to not really notice he is walking around starkers for most of the film - it just becomes normal.


I did - and that rediculous prosthetic nose on the face of Nixon. As someone who has never read the comic, I found it too long, slightly confusing and to be honest, a bit dull.

I'm going to read the comic to see if it's better.

Good film, very long in running time but justified.

Im not a comic book fan so I judge this movie purely on its entertainment value. Character-wise you get a great sense of development for all the characters and I instantly took to Roarsharques(sp?) who was a sociopath but yet an endearing character who audiences will instantly take a likening too with his no-nonsense style of justice through redemption. Very much similar to Marv in Sin City. Remind me never to get in a fight near a fryer :gag: One of the things I found refreshing about this story compared to other comic-films is the enhanced sense of vulnerability and the juxtaposition of good and evil with the 'heroes'. Cinematography and a special mention for the impressive soundtrack which was stellar yet each track apt towards whatever scene of the movie it was featured in.

As for the ending, maybe as a regular film watcher I am indoctrinated by the necessity of a happy ending but I didn't particularly like the ending. However without reading the book maybe I am being more critical at the original story.

Good film, very long in running time but justified.

Im not a comic book fan so I judge this movie purely on its entertainment value. Character-wise you get a great sense of development for all the characters and I instantly took to Roarsharques(sp?) who was a sociopath but yet an endearing character who audiences will instantly take a likening too with his no-nonsense style of justice through redemption. Very much similar to Marv in Sin City. Remind me never to get in a fight near a fryer :gag: One of the things I found refreshing about this story compared to other comic-films is the enhanced sense of vulnerability and the juxtaposition of good and evil with the 'heroes'. Cinematography and a special mention for the impressive soundtrack which was stellar yet each track apt towards whatever scene of the movie it was featured in.

As for the ending, maybe as a regular film watcher I am indoctrinated by the necessity of a happy ending but I didn't particularly like the ending. However without reading the book maybe I am being more critical at the original story.

Yeah, the soundtrack was especially good - the tracks chosen seemed to fit so well, especially using the German version of 99 Red Balloons! :cool:

The only track which jarred was the first one on the closing credits. I looked it up and apparently it was by My Chemical Romance, which explains why I thought it was crap ;)

The opening credits were an especially superb sequence.

I keep thinking about Peter Jackson casting the pre-pubescent Elijah Wood as Frodo in LotR, when the character's supposed to be in his fifties...


Hobbits look like children to humans, and Frodo was very young looking. He was practically a child himself.

Perfect casting.

The only track which jarred was the first one on the closing credits. I looked it up and apparently it was by My Chemical Romance, which explains why I thought it was crap ;)


It's a Bob Dylan cover.

It's a Bob Dylan cover.

Yeah, shame they couldn't have found a better band to do it. Though I'd have quite liked something 80s and 'alt' in it's place. Maybe a bit of Killing Joke would have gone down a treat?


Hobbits look like children to humans, and Frodo was very young looking. He was practically a child himself.

Perfect casting.

Only in size, in all other respects they are nothing like children.

Wood's casting was disliked by Tolkien fans as it was inappropriate. He's supposed to be more than 20 years older than Sam, a middle aged bachelor, and instead looked like his little brother, so it threw the dynamic of their relationship into looking like it was homosexual instead.

Killing Joke always go down a treat.

Is anyone else slightly worried that the Watchmen film will muck up the story and the characters?

I believe there's an "Alan" from Northampton who's more than "slightly worried". ;)

I'm a film then book kinda person (unless it's a book I've already read).

For example, Stardust. I've read the book many, many times and love it. When I saw the film I could appreciate the changes they made as being necessary for it to succeed - in a narrative sense - as a two hour film.

With Harry Potter, I've read all the books, but only now I've seen the first five films. As a series of films they work very well, and having seen the films first I can appreciate what they changed and left out, and why they made the changes they did.

I'm sure Watchmen will prove much the same experience, and more satisfying that way.

I'm a film then book kinda person (unless it's a book I've already read).

For example, Stardust. I've read the book many, many times and love it. When I saw the film I could appreciate the changes they made as being necessary for it to succeed - in a narrative sense - as a two hour film.

With Harry Potter, I've read all the books, but only now I've seen the first five films. As a series of films they work very well, and having seen the films first I can appreciate what they changed and left out, and why they made the changes they did.

I'm sure Watchmen will prove much the same experience, and more satisfying that way.

That's interesting, most people are the other way about. Don't you find that the images from the film intrude on your own personal images of characters in the books? Or don't you mind that? Obviously this is a bit different for comic books as they usually are pretty similar on film to how they appear on the page, but I always love that period when the characters exist solely in my head and I can help 'create' them as a reader.

A new interview with Alan Moore here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/16/alan-moore-watchmen-lost-girls

Apparently Lost Girls will be finally released in the summer (annoying to those who have bought the pricey export set!!!!). Though a word of warning, it's very different to his other work, and is very, very, very adult.

I actually went to see Watchmen this weekend. I really liked it.

I then googled the ending. Giant Squid, eh? Perhaps not in the movie - I think it could possibly have gone a bit Shelob....

Just started reading the Absolute Watchmen book - AMAZING!!

Worth every penny of the £45 price tag (from Amazon).

I'm only one chapter in and have decided to read it as slowly as possible as I don't want it to end. I will surely read it again and again though.

A masterpiece!

worst film ever

I'm a fan of the novel, but wasn't impressed with the film. The only "faitful" part seemed to be from Nite Owl II.

I was most looking forward to how the director would adapt the Rorschach "becoming Rorschach" part, but for some reason it was changed, as were a number of other parts.

Disappointing.

I loved the film....thought it was one of the best films i have seen in a long time....Rorschach was my favorite character.

worst film ever

Could you expand on that.

I've seen some pretty dire films over my lifetime, but can't imagine this being THAT bad, especially given most online reviews are favourable.

DVD out today folks!

I'm a massive fan of the comic book version, and have to admit, a massive fan of the movie.

Things had to be changed, and IMHO Zack Snyder did a pretty good job of it.

After reading all the crap ideas that went before (Gilliam's version... jesus that would have been horrendous), it was a triumph for someone to bring it to the big screen.

And let's face it, the zealot hardcore fans of the comic book were never going to be satisfied with ANY cinematic version of it.

Roll on December for the Ultimate cut......... can't wait to see The Tales of the Black Freighter woven into the movie!!!


Well what a crock of .... the US release has 25 minutes of footage restored.... the UK version? it's the cinema version. I'd avoid buying until the ultimate edition comes out!

I'd avoid buying until the ultimate edition comes out!

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing. Long time to wait though!

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing. Long time to wait though!

Isn't there a rumour suggesting the ultimate edition will never come out here?

yeah, i've been reading things to that effect,

if you have a blu-ray player, the US blu-ray version is actually region free, so it's worth paying a bit extra to import it.

I don't, so i'm a bit miffed to be honest.

The special features are poor on the UK version as well.

yeah, i've been reading things to that effect,

if you have a blu-ray player, the US blu-ray version is actually region free, so it's worth paying a bit extra to import it.

I don't, so i'm a bit miffed to be honest.

The special features are poor on the UK version as well.

Same here then. Shame (for now)

I've never been so dissappointed at the cinema, not because it was particularly bad, but because my comic book loving friends had hyped this up so much, they were sure that it would be the best film of all time, and sure enough they thought it was.

Totally average, and very pretentious, but fun too!

As for the OP I like Dr Manhattan.

i really didn't like this film ... i hate that blue man who has thing hanging out the whole time... i am not a prude or anything but for some reason i found it off putting.
i think it was very "fantastic 4" but for adults and not as good (though the silver surfer sucked eggs ) :suspect:

i really didn't like this film ... i hate that blue man who has thing hanging out the whole time... i am not a prude or anything but for some reason i found it off putting.
i think it was very "fantastic 4" but for adults and not as good (though the silver surfer sucked eggs ) :suspect:


lol... why did everyone have a problem with the blue schlong?

i think it was very "fantastic 4" but for adults and not as good (though the silver surfer sucked eggs ) :suspect:

I seem to be alone amongst my friends in thinking that the original Fantastic Four was actually quite good.

As a fan of the original graphic novel, I know that any film would never be able to match the complexity of the source material and think that the film was about as good as it could have been. I am still waiting for a more complete version to be released, as the more things included the better in my opinion.
However, I still disagree with the changes made to the ending. I know it would have been ridiculous to have a fake, telepathic alien land in New York, but the ending they went with made less sense to me. The Americans have been hanging Dr Manhatten over the heads of the Russians all through the film as their trump hand, but then he goes rogue and all of humanity unites as one against him? I don't see it happening. I thought the point of the original ending was the threat came from outside of humanity, thus uniting humans, not from some American superweapon gone wrong.

The things it did well, it did very well. The things it did badly, I hated.

I have never watched such a waste of 2+ hours in my life.
I vaguley remember alot of hype about this film so when i saw it on blu ray i parted with £19.99 i promptly wished i hadnt.
I have since leant it to 3 other people that all agreed it never seems to get started and whats with the 8ft smurf with his tail out? ok i admit it it made me feel inadequate......... in colour not size lol!!
Anyone wishing to buy this pile of rubbish on blu-ray one week old £10 buys it no offers!

Watched the directors cut last night.

What can I say other than INCREDIBLE!!

I thought The Dark Knight was good, but this trounces it.

Watchmen - who's cool?
None of them. Thats kinda the point. They are all twisted & broken individuals that don't have the balanced view point or psyche required to make the decisions that they've taken upon themselves to make.

I didnt really enjoy this film as much as i wanted

I didnt really enjoy this film as much as i wanted

Get the Directors Cut - it has an additional 25 minutes.

'kin amazing!!

I thought this would be great, but 45mins into the film we got bored and distracted so it's on the 'we'll watch it some other time' list.

i never knew anything about watchmen! i.e. the comics and novels etc, when i first watched the film it was quite confusing, for someone like me not knowing anything about watchmen other than this movie. to me it felt like even in the 2and a half hours long it still felt they had cramped every little detail and there was so much going off, i fully understand it no having watched it multiple times.

the film is 'OK' on the whole but i did get bored very easily, especially with the whole dr manhattan thing, he was sooo boring listening to his drabble! the best part was near the start with the opening credits, just after the comedian is killed, absolutely fantastic, well put together and great choice of music.

i never knew anything about watchmen! i.e. the comics and novels etc, when i first watched the film it was quite confusing, for someone like me not knowing anything about watchmen other than this movie. to me it felt like even in the 2and a half hours long it still felt they had cramped every little detail and there was so much going off, i fully understand it no having watched it multiple times.

the film is 'OK' on the whole but i did get bored very easily, especially with the whole dr manhattan thing, he was sooo boring listening to his drabble! the best part was near the start with the opening credits, just after the comedian is killed, absolutely fantastic, well put together and great choice of music.

I thought Doc Manhattans dialogue was very important to the story as a whole and helped put things, directly related to the story, as well as life in general into some kind of perspective.

For anyone wanting to watch it again, I would suggest buying the directors cut (you will need an all-region DVD/Blue Ray player of course)

I got my copy from Movietyme which arrived in around 3 working days.

Get the Directors Cut - it has an additional 25 minutes.

'kin amazing!!

The extra scene detailing Hollis Mason's death at the hands of the knot heads was brilliant, especially how they worked it back to him fighting in the 1940's. It was also one of the most brutal scenes in the film . . . . very poignantly done. :cry:

(I also liked Dan's revenge against the random knot head he meets in the bar).

I think a lot of people went into this expecting another x-men/batman/iron man style caper, that's why there's a lot of negativity towards it. Maybe it was marketed wrong, the short trailers made it seem like this whizz-back kick em in the groin action chase flick.

I loved it, it's easily up there in my all time top ten of top tens.

I wonder if Alan Moore will ever watch it?

(I also liked Dan's revenge against the random knot head he meets in the bar).

Yeah, along with the teeth rolling around in his mouth.

:D


I also thought the scene where Rorschach follows the dwarf inmate into the loo was very nicely done.

No slow-mo action shot needed there!

Yeah, along with the teeth rolling around in his mouth.

:D


I also thought the scene where Rorschach follows the dwarf inmate into the loo was very nicely done.

No slow-mo action shot needed there!

Yeah, Rorschach doesn't hang around. I'm always curious as to what happened to the guy in that toilet.

A friend has borrowed the novel so I can't check if there's any further detail in there. Maybe it's best left up to the imagination anyhow.

Yeah, Rorschach doesn't hang around. I'm always curious as to what happened to the guy in that toilet.

A friend has borrowed the novel so I can't check if there's any further detail in there. Maybe it's best left up to the imagination anyhow.

I'll have a gander tonight :hihi:

I think it is left to the imagination, if memory serves. If I recall, you may see a bit of the body through the doorway as Rorschach leaves the bathroom (don't quote me on that though) and then there's a panel with water leeking out underneath the closed door.

I always assumed he was drowned in the toilet.

I always assumed he was drowned in the toilet.

It's blood that comes under the door.

It's blood that comes under the door.

Oh right. Quite severly colourblind, and the colour scheme of the book always screwed me up anyway; I always thought it was water. So I'm assuming the liquid was red then? :hihi:

Oh right. Quite severly colourblind, and the colour scheme of the book always screwed me up anyway; I always thought it was water. So I'm assuming the liquid was red then? :hihi:

You hear a flush, then water seeps through the door and the water soon turns red.

You hear a flush, then water seeps through the door and the water soon turns red.

A bit everything then!

See how the scene works so well? ...... it's got us discussing it already.


(looking forward to watching again when I can find a spare 3 hours!)

I'm a huge fan of Alan Moore's stuff, and have always hated all of the 'adaptations' that self-important, no-talent, cash-grabbing hollywood scum have made. When I first heard there was to be a film of Watchmen I thought 'No! Just leave it - it's fine as it is' but went to see it at the cinema, largely because a good friend of mine who's also an A.Moore fan told me that he thought Snyder would do it justice, as he really liked his remake of Dawn of the Dead.
Basically I thought the film was almost as good as it could have been - the only bits I didn't like were
1) The EXCRUCIATING sex scene with Laurie and Dan - about 3 frames in the book, dragged out into some kind of horrible comedy for what seemed like a quarter of an hour, with that god-awful Leonard Cohen song on - then they missed the whole point of why they finally got it on anyway.
2) The violence - the fact is, in the book the acts of violence are portrayed in a very realistic way, although there is often brutal fighting resulting in injury or death, there isn't any matrix style kung fu movie type stuff going on, with a big pumping soundtrack behind it. I think to do this in the film was a terrible error of judgement, it gave me the impression the makers were trying to change the content, mood, and direction of the book to appeal to a thicko action film audience, so as to make more cash - and this is THE ABSOLUTE WORST POSSIBLE crime a film maker can commit, in the eyes of fans of the original work.
I still think the movie shouldn't have been made, but you know what? I don't hate it. I'll buy it on DVD when a version is out with everything on it, I think it's an interesting movie, in most ways a sincere attempt to do it properly.