IDentity a bar that recently opened on Atterciffe wants to attract funding to change the Venue into a Private members bar. They are looking at 80 to 150 people investing, the amount will be dependant on the number of people interested.
The aim will be to provide a safe,modern relaxed and buzzing atmosphere. The benefits to investors would be much cheaper than normal drinks a place to go at festive times, a venue available for personal functions, in fact there are too many options to list.
If you do not already know the Venue, it is already up and running and provides everything mentioned earlier. Unfortunately it has not received enough support other than on saturdays. With enough people interested this can become a great place to be involved.
All profits made will be reinvested to improve the venue.
How many people have dreamed of owning their own bar, this is as close as most people will be able to get. The funds involved are not that much.
We would really appreciate input on this matter but time is really of the essence.
We already have interested parties but obviously not enough at present.

We need to know what the members fee would be

There is a very successful after hrs club in Boston USA, called rise, that runs as a members club with membership being $100 per yr rising to $500 all dependant on queing and door charge etc. To get in you have to be or with a member and it was still $10 to get in but it had ' studio 54' appeal as not everyone could go.

We need to know what the members fee would be

The idea is that any person putting money up would actually become a part owner. The more people that are interested the less that each person would have to contribute.
If sufficient funds can be raised the monies will be split. A percentage will go on meeting some of the set up costs and refurbishment, the rest to invest in the scheme and pay rent etc. It is necessary to raise £80000 to put the Scheme on a sound footing and help it along during the first 12 months.
For that reason We believe that at least 80 people are required with an upper limit of 150.
The more people that are members the more people will spend their money at the club. One good Saturday evening per week will pay for its running. The benefits of being a member would be much cheaper drinks than are currently enjoyed on a night out in the city. Each member will be allowed guests who will pay an entry fee but will then enjoy the benefits of cheaper drinks.

The rest of the time the venue can be used to put on varying entertainment which can help generate more profits that can be re-invested. The scheme itself would be run by its members. If the club takes off and is really successful then in 18 months time it may be looking for a more prestiguous home, who knows if there is enough interest then members may even help change the gay scene in Sheffield that most people are unhappy with. Be part of this new era , come on down and find your own IDENTITY.
If you have never been to Identity come down this weekend and see the potential that is there. If there is sufficient interest we can arrange a discussion night down there in the week. Just send a private message to me to register interest.

If the club is going to be like Fuel or Fab why would anyone want to be a member ?

If the club is going to be like Fuel or Fab why would anyone want to be a member ?

I am not sure what you mean can you elaborate and then I can give you a proper answer

The problem is, on a general night out do you see 80-150 that might have a spare grand, good idea but i would be very surprised if you find them.

I am not sure what you mean can you elaborate and then I can give you a proper answer

Generally, if the club is going to be mid-80's crap like Fab and Fuel were then no-one will want to be a member, you've got to prove that you're club realy is modern, new, exciting and different to every thing that has gone before if you want people to become members.

The idea is that any person putting money up would actually become a part owner. The more people that are interested the less that each person would have to contribute.
If sufficient funds can be raised the monies will be split. A percentage will go on meeting some of the set up costs and refurbishment, the rest to invest in the scheme and pay rent etc. It is necessary to raise £80000 to put the Scheme on a sound footing and help it along during the first 12 months.
For that reason We believe that at least 80 people are required with an upper limit of 150.
The more people that are members the more people will spend their money at the club. One good Saturday evening per week will pay for its running. The benefits of being a member would be much cheaper drinks than are currently enjoyed on a night out in the city. Each member will be allowed guests who will pay an entry fee but will then enjoy the benefits of cheaper drinks.

The rest of the time the venue can be used to put on varying entertainment which can help generate more profits that can be re-invested. The scheme itself would be run by its members. If the club takes off and is really successful then in 18 months time it may be looking for a more prestiguous home, who knows if there is enough interest then members may even help change the gay scene in Sheffield that most people are unhappy with. Be part of this new era , come on down and find your own IDENTITY.
If you have never been to Identity come down this weekend and see the potential that is there. If there is sufficient interest we can arrange a discussion night down there in the week. Just send a private message to me to register interest.

Surely if you are an owner you are also jointly liable for any debts accrued by the company. If it all goes belly up you could be badly out of pocket, and not just your initial membership fee.

Surely if you are an owner you are also jointly liable for any debts accrued by the company. If it all goes belly up you could be badly out of pocket, and not just your initial membership fee.

The money would not be used to pay of debts any debts owing would not be passed on to the membership. The figure quoted to pay for the set up of the venue will only cover approx 60% of the Refurb, the remainder would have been swallowed up by the initial investors. If the club attracts enough members then it should be self funding.

So what you are saying is that you want to turn the "gay" venue Identity....into a members club and charge people to buy a share in the club.....thus I presume excluding the clientèle you have already established.

WHY would people want to do that......there are other gay bars and clubs that people could visit. What makes yours stand up above the rest.....I haven't been yet. I can't be asked to venture outside of the central area.

WHY would people want to visit Identity seeing as there are a few good gay bars and clubs in the central area.

So are you just seeking investment from anyone who can put up a few quid or are you saying that you are looking for gay people to contribute to your club for a share of the club (and any profit and debt that may arise from it).

As far as I remember gay venues in Attercliffe haven't gone down so well before......are you just another seeking other people to invest in something you know isn't going as well as you would have liked:?:

I was going to go along to Identity late last Friday, but heard from one of the DJ's from there that it had already shut down.
The Private members' club is a good idea, but it will be difficult in the current economic climate. How about hiring it out for arts events/gigs to kick start some kind of arts/creative community in Attercliffe?

This thread is a waste of time, Attercliffe is a no-go area for anything that will see success.

If it was going to be successful, it would have been.... as would fab.

Forget it, cut your losses, and start something in the centre if you want to make something work.

Harsh but true.

This thread is a waste of time, Attercliffe is a no-go area for anything that will see success.

If it was going to be successful, it would have been.... as would fab.

Forget it, cut your losses, and start something in the centre if you want to make something work.

Harsh but true.

I would tend to agree with that; but the managers must have had their reasons for choosing a location such as Attercliffe when there are still quite a few empty licinced premises around th city centre crying out for reopening; like the MATILDA, for example;
I have pointed out that given a few years, Attercliffe might see regeneration in the form of 'Brownfield' Housing development; a lot of people would pay decent money for a house or flat only 5 minutes from the city centre. However, with the current bleak economic situation, this looks unlikely for another 3 years of so; maybe in about 5 years time there will be a thriving inner-city suburb which WILL want its own share of bars, cafes and the odd club, like a slightly more sterile version of Ecclesall Road, perhaps...:hihi:

I have pointed out that given a few years, Attercliffe might see regeneration in the form of 'Brownfield' Housing development; a lot of people would pay decent money for a house or flat only 5 minutes from the city centre. However, with the current bleak economic situation, this looks unlikely for another 3 years of so; maybe in about 5 years time there will be a thriving inner-city suburb which WILL want its own share of bars, cafes and the odd club, like a slightly more sterile version of Ecclesall Road, perhaps...:hihi:

..To follow up my last comment, you're not going to believe what I have just come across in the General Sheffield Threads! :http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4178926#post4178926

Maybe there's hope if Identity become involved with Attercliffe Gateway...:D

I wonder if Planet (Fab) and Bar-Celona (Identity) had both re-opened at the same time that they both might have done better.

there are still quite a few empty licinced premises around th city centre crying out for reopening; like the MATILDA

You're obsessed with the Matilda dear! ;) Maybe they should rename it the Tranny's Head or something. :D

You lot are in cloud cookoo land if you think attercliffe is ever turning into ecclesall road! Thats like saying The Manor is the next Whirlow! The old phrase 'you cant polish a poo' comes to mind.

Ahh well, keep throwing good money after bad if you will, but i see this plea for investment nothing other than the current owners trying to limit and/or re-coop their losses.

Paying customers speak with their feet!

[QUOTE=charliechalk;4175209]This thread is a waste of time, Attercliffe is a no-go area for anything that will see success.

If it was going to be successful, it would have been.... as would fab.

Forget it, cut your losses, and start something in the centre if you want to make something work.

Harsh but true.
Have you any idea why Fab failed? I often asked that question and have been told it got off to a bad start as there were not enough bar staff and people were waiting too long to get served. Did you ever go?Have you been to Identity? If so what were your impressions? Unfortunately just moving to another location is not that easy. The costs of setting up a new bar are very high and the investment already in the Identity venue will be lost, there is also the matter of the lease that has to be paid wether the Venue is used are not.
The idea with the Members club was to make use of a Venue that has been refurbed. If there was enough interest then I am sure that it could be a success and would generate enough income to return a profit.
I don't think there will ever be a decent gay venue in Sheffield, nothing will ever receive enough support. Dempsey's will survive because no serious investor will be able to see a big enough market. We have already seen two venues come and go in a very short period.The Quarter and Old Crown.
Before becoming involved with this project I was led to believe that everyone was fed up with Dempsey's and they would flock to Identity to have a great time in a friendly atmosphere, the fact that it is at Attercliffe did not seem to bother the people setting up the bar. As I am not gay and don't know the scene I just thought that because Attercliffe used to be the area where the majority of venues were, its location was not such a problem. For me at night its possibly a safer location than the centre. I just think people can't be bothered to get out of their same old routines and the younger generation seem to take their acceptance for granted.
I have spoken to people who came out when life was much more difficult. These people went to places out of town and after hours to feel safer and eventually made life easy for the people coming out now.
I went to Climax not so long ago to do a little market research. What amazed me more than anything was the arrogance on show. I lost count of the number of times that I was barged around by young people who never once appologised, there was a total disregard of respect for each other. It seems that the younger generation of gays have had it too easy and have no idea what the older generation had to go through to make life so easy for them. If the events I witnessed in a happened straight venue it would end up in a mass brawl, not because we are heathens, but because we would not put up with ignorant people. My point is, stop taking things and Venues for granted.
I have been unhappy with the way Jamesogt uses this site( or even missuses) but I would like to wish him well in the future, he works hard to make the best of a difficult situation and deserves to succeed. Soon be just Lions Lair and Dempseys left

I hear what you are saying gaydad, and i know all too well about investing in something that ends up in a bad way (not bar related) - i am still paying the price for this. But profit is a reward for risk, the only thing is that we dont always come out on top.

I did go to Fab for the first 8 weeks of opening. My personal view was, a lack of taxis to get you home was poor, and about 3 weeks running the heating wasnt working so was freezing inside. Another thing is, you have to get to attercliffe, pay the entrance fee, only to find there are 4 people inside... at least if you go out to dempseys and there are only 4 people in, you can walk out having wasted £3.... not plus £8 for a taxi and the time lost.

Ive never been to Identity. We were going to go last saturday, but were told in dempseys (not by dempseys), that it was closed and that the bar staff were inside demps. So we didnt make the journey out there.

I dont want to sound 100% negative... but cant help it.

Let us all know if its open etc, and we will try it.

[QUOTE=charliechalk;4175209]
I have been unhappy with the way Jamesogt uses this site( or even missuses) but I would like to wish him well in the future, he works hard to make the best of a difficult situation and deserves to succeed. Soon be just Lions Lair and Dempseys left

James is just promoting his pub, which is harmless anyway.

Lions Lair and Dempseys left, are Affinity moving ?, are Xes closing down ?, I hear Sanctuary is turning gay, that will be good for Affinity and Lions, nice little walk there, or crawl.

I am completley impartial to all these bars, apart from the fact i just dont like affinty.... lol... but i havent thought anything jamesogt has said as misuse or wrong...

like spiderpete says, getting a bit of a crawl going!

Is it TV friendly :)

[QUOTE=gaydad;4180907 I don't think there will ever be a decent gay venue in Sheffield, nothing will ever receive enough support. Dempsey's will survive because no serious investor will be able to see a big enough market. We have already seen two venues come and go in a very short period.The Quarter and Old Crown.
Before becoming involved with this project I was led to believe that everyone was fed up with Dempsey's and they would flock to Identity to have a great time in a friendly atmosphere, the fact that it is at Attercliffe did not seem to bother the people setting up the bar. As I am not gay and don't know the scene I just thought that because Attercliffe used to be the area where the majority of venues were, its location was not such a problem. For me at night its possibly a safer location than the centre. I just think people can't be bothered to get out of their same old routines and the younger generation seem to take their acceptance for granted.[/QUOTE]

Why don't the people at Identity get a DJ from a big club in Manchester or Leeds to play. Then use that to advertise the hell out of the night??

Will there be Hi-Energy music, Cher music and Drag Queens in there - oh and somewhere to sleep if I feel tired?

Will there be Hi-Energy music, Cher music and Drag Queens in there - oh and somewhere to sleep if I feel tired?And a solicitor on standby just in case you decide to sue...