View Full Version : Spurs worst start in 96 years


firecracker
06-10-2008, 06:14
Two points from their first eight matches, and you'd have to be the oldest of old timers to remember the last time they had such a bad start - going all the way back to the start of the 1912-13 season. Even in 1976-77 when they were relegated, their start wasn't as bad as that. And it isn't as if they've had the most difficult early season fixture list on paper - they've faced Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Wigan, Hull City and Stoke City in those eight matches. Of the big four - they've faced Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, and have yet to face the other three. So what is going on at Spurs, and will the unthinkable happen - relegation?

abbasinho
06-10-2008, 08:02
They've spent a lot of money on players this season. Somebody will have to carry the can for it. A lot of the papers on the weekend were making Commolli the fall guy for it all, he buys the players, fair enough. But watching them play this season hasn't been a very enjoyable experience, so Ramos must come in for some criticism aswell. Why not kill the both of them off, bin the Director of Football position and employ a manager with the power to build and train his own team.

You only have to look at the likes of Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool (who I believe don't employ a Director of Football) to see that success - albiet different levels of success - can be achieved without the need for a person of that kind of position.

Glamrock
06-10-2008, 09:28
Im a big Spurs fan and I feel if they dont get their act together and get the..Were too big to go down..attitude out of their heads they are going to have a big shock come christmas,the fans website..Planet Spurs keep harping on about the quality of strikers they want in the January transfer window but what they fail to realise is that what striker worth his salt is going to want to come to a club languishing in the relegation zone.Ramos doesnt seem to have the foggiest idea how to perform in this league,its time for him to go,I know he will have maybe a 15m pay out to honour his contract but they will lose a hell of a lot more if they go down..get rid and get somebody in who can do the job ,its obvious he doesnt have the foggiest idea what he's doing.
They should get rid now,today ,let Venables come in and steady the ship whilst seeking a replacement, at least he knows what the premiership is all about.

scottishdude
06-10-2008, 09:36
I agree about getting rid of Ramos. £15M is nothing compared to what they would lose if they went down. I don't agree he should get full payment if they sack him as he was brought in to do a job which he is clearly not doing but I suppose he will have his bum covered with paperwork.

Swami Dhyan
06-10-2008, 09:59
Im a big Spurs fan and I feel if they dont get their act together and get the..Were too big to go down..attitude out of their heads they are going to have a big shock come christmas,the fans website..Planet Spurs keep harping on about the quality of strikers they want in the January transfer window but what they fail to realise is that what striker worth his salt is going to want to come to a club languishing in the relegation zone.Ramos doesnt seem to have the foggiest idea how to perform in this league,its time for him to go,I know he will have maybe a 15m pay out to honour his contract but they will lose a hell of a lot more if they go down..get rid and get somebody in who can do the job ,its obvious he doesnt have the foggiest idea what he's doing.
They should get rid now,today ,let Venables come in and steady the ship whilst seeking a replacement, at least he knows what the premiership is all about.

Hi Glamrock, I have some sympathy for you fans. As you know I'm a Toon fan and as such I see similarities between what's happening at our clubs.
I don't think anything will change until the Director of Football goes.
If the man who has responsibilty to pick the team does not have say in who comes and goes a pantomime ensues. I think our panto is much funnier than yours by the way. Your "orchestra" has two conductors and ours has four.
I say that with no particular sense of pride. :D

abbasinho
06-10-2008, 10:01
It might be a bit prudent to stick with Ramos if he's going to get £15m if he gets the sack. I think most Spurs fans now would happily accept mid-table and look to next season. But why should he get a large pay-off anyway if he was to be sacked? If i'm employed to undertake a job and I fail to meet the requirements set by the powers that be I wouldn't expect, nor would I be given, any sort of severance payment.

It amazes me that clubs - and national teams for that matter - tie managers down to such long contracts. Steve McLaren for example, made a absolute hash of being England manager but got a few million quid out of the deal. That's just wrong.

Heyesey
06-10-2008, 10:58
If the man who has responsibilty to pick the team does not have say in who comes and goes a pantomime ensues.


Only in England. In the vast majority of sports and countries, it's taken for granted that the coach just coaches, and some other guy does transfers. It doesn't cause a pantomime anywhere else.

Swami Dhyan
06-10-2008, 11:08
Only in England. In the vast majority of sports and countries, it's taken for granted that the coach just coaches, and some other guy does transfers. It doesn't cause a pantomime anywhere else.

I can't obviously be sure in every case but I do believe it works elsewhwere by consultation. Precious little of that at Newcastle Heyesey... and that's my point. :)

proofreader
06-10-2008, 11:29
I think Spurs need to keep consistency with a manager. All we seem to do is panic as soon as form dips, get rid, and move onto the next one. Ramos needs time to settle and work with what should now be his team. He has completely overhauled the squad and has a team with a foreign heart. It has been said that only five members of the squad when he joined the club featured in his long term plans. When you consider that one player is Ledley King that realistically makes four. King is immense on his day but dogged with injury. Swapping him in and out is unfair on the rest of the defence. Jermaine Jenas just doesn’t show enough leadership to replace him as captain so frequently and it may be time to consider a new club captain.

Two of the remaining four players were Keane and Berbatov. I think Berbatov is a fabulous player, on his day, and loved to watch him play. I did get frustrated by his attitude to playing and only showing skill, style and commitment when he fancied it. I think the board were right to cash in but the manner in which the transfer was conducted was just wrong. Putting aside any quibbles or complaints from United we shot ourselves in the foot. We knew he was going and didn’t buy a quality replacement. Money in the bank doesn’t mean a lot when you can’t score.

I was gutted to sell Keane. He was, for me, Mr Tottenham. I know Liverpool fans have been sceptical about the price tag but he will be tremendous for them. He is finding form again. Playing him as a link between Gerrard and Torres will create beautiful football and, no doubt, many more goals.

I think we miss Keane more than Berbatov. Keane was the heart of the Tottenham team, both in the role he played and with the spirit he played. He was the natural successor as club captain and would have steadied the team in King’s absence.

Much has been said about the millions we have spent but many neglect to mention that we sold more players than be bought and were actually in profit after our summer dealings. We have lost a number of first team regulars in the past few months, including a goalkeeper, half a midfield and our forward line. It just remains to be seen whether the team being built is Ramos’ side or Commolli’s.

I was excited by the potential of some of our signings but did we buy the right players? Dos Santos is a player for the future, Modric is being played out of position, Bentley isn't being played, and Pavlyuchenko and Corluka are both cup-tied for Europe. We still need a quality holding player in midfield (ie. Carrick)and a genuine left footed left winger. I would prefer to buy English and would love Ashley Young (not going to happen) but would be happy with Downing (looked more likely before the season started).

At the moment I can't see how they can turn it around. As has been mentioned we haven't had the most difficult of starts and our toughest game (Chelsea away) yielded a point and one of more acceptable performances. We are not just losing we are playing very poorly. Players are out of position and look desperately low in confidence. Watching the EUFA cup tie on Thursday I couldn't work out why Modric was playing as a defensive midfielder. Yesterday he was then started on the left but after a poor start and another dent to his fragile confidence he missed a sitter from seven/eight yards. Against Hull we conceded a fabulous strike but should have come away with something. We made chances but never took them. Berbatov and Keane would have, arguably, taken them. Bent looked like a world beater in pre-season but has had a torrid start to the season. Poyet has now said that Bent and Pavlyuchenko cannot play together as they are too similar so that presumably signals his departure in January. We needed to buy at least one more quality striker in the summer. We knew Berbatov and Keane were going but didn't prepare for it. We ended up with a Man Utd reserve on loan for the season. I think he is a good player, and certainly a promising player, but it seems futile to give a young player that experience and opportunity ahead of our own reserves (such as Pekhart, currently on loan at Southampton) when Frasier-Campbell has already expressed his desire to return to Old Trafford.

Commolli has been made a fall guy in the press and I think there is reason for that. I would rather see him go than Ramos. I have close links to the club and have it on good authority that he has messed up several transfers in the past. He has turned down players, signed the wrong players or just been too inefficient, as in the Berbatov saga. Commolli is said to have signed Kevin Prince Boateng (German ‘wonderkid’ currently without a squad number and looking to leave White Hart Lane) when Jol had instead wanted George Boateng (then of Middlesborough) as a holding player who would beef up the midfield.

In some ways I think the board have brought the problems on themselves for dismissing Jol. It was not just the needless sacking but the manner in which it was conducted. I have a lot of time and respect for Jol and was sad to see him go. He was building a team, a group of players with spirit, cohesion and desire. We have lost that now. He gives an interview here that I think is spot on:

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_4248413,00.html

I am losing my excitement for match days. Even before the match at Hull I had a sense of impending doom. I knew we were up against a confident, committed, spirited team that have worked together and enjoyed a deserved, tremendous start to the season.
As a Spurs fan I can only hope that something positive happens quickly or else we will be playing Championship football next season and will lose the players that could potentially be Tottenham legends.

proofreader
06-10-2008, 11:30
Sorry - I have just realised how long my rant is. I needed to get it off my chest and since the OH is a Forest fan I don't get much sympathy at the moment!

Heyesey
06-10-2008, 11:48
Ramos needs time to settle and work with what should now be his team.


Unfortunately, the nature of British football nowadays is that you don't have time, whether you should give it to the manager or not. Relegation is utterly unthinkable, and if there's any danger whatsoever of the team going down, they must take action; if they can't afford to buy in £100 million of new players, pretty much the only action available is to change managers and hope it makes a difference.

proofreader
06-10-2008, 11:59
You're right - British football doesn't give managers that much time. I am surprised that more fans didn't kick up a fuss towards the end of last season. I know we won the Carling cup but to be honest I think the fact we played Arsenal in the semis was in our favour as we wanted it more than they did - we needed any silverware and they still had a chance at Champions League and Premiership. In the final Chelsea didn't turn up. We played well - don't get me wrong - but we could have easily lost.

We won the cup then did nothing. Our league form was appalling, almost as bad as now.

I hope a positive step is taken, though I am not sure what it would be. A lot of Spurs fans are calling for Venables as an interim manager and I could see that as an option. I just hope that if Ramos goes (hopefully for less than £15m if possible) Commolli goes too and we rebuild properly.

scottishdude
06-10-2008, 13:21
In the year that he has almost been with Spurs Ramos' Stats are:-
Played -54, Won -22, Drawn -16, Lost -16 = Win% of 40.74. Not even half, Oh yeah he won League Cup. The worst Stats are this season with 2 points from 7 games, so no he is not settling in and improving.
At the minute he has a good chance of geting less points than the UK gets in the Eurovision Song Contest. :rolleyes:

BasilRathbon
06-10-2008, 13:21
Glenn Hoddle's still available, and he's learnt his lesson since losing the England job for making offensive comments about the disabled.

Only last week he was reporting as saying "Anyone who thinks I'll ever say anything like that again is a complete spaz"....

proofreader
06-10-2008, 13:30
Ramos' record is terrible, far worse than Jol. But the style of football has been much poorer as well. The silky passing and attcking play seems to have deteriorated.

I think Venables is the fan's favourite to replace Commolli as Director of Football. Klinsmann is being linked with the manager's job if/when Ramos goes.

Poyet is still a contender for the Newcastle vacancy.

All jokes aside (though I did chuckle), I think Hoddle would actually do a good job. He likes a team with flair, which is what the fans demand, and has a decent track record. His personal comments lost him the England job rather than anything on the pitch.

firecracker
06-10-2008, 20:59
Glenn Hoddle's still available, and he's learnt his lesson since losing the England job for making offensive comments about the disabled.

Only last week he was reporting as saying "Anyone who thinks I'll ever say anything like that again is a complete spaz"....

Who knows. Perhaps, because of Spurs plight, he must be considering a playing comeback along with Martin Chivers, Alan Mullery, Dave Mackay, Alan Gilzean, Steve Perryman, Pat Jennings, Garth Crooks and the rest.

Jason Bourne
06-10-2008, 21:29
Remind me, didn't Spurs avoid relegation serveral years ago thanks to some very dubious referring decisions made on the final day of the season?

I seem to to recall Barnsley went down instead, much to my disappointment (hey, at least Baaaaarnsley are from South Yorkshire).

Well, you know what they say about serving revenge :)

Let's hope Spurs' run of bad form continues :thumbsup:

firecracker
07-10-2008, 06:09
Sorry - I have just realised how long my rant is. I needed to get it off my chest and since the OH is a Forest fan I don't get much sympathy at the moment!
If its any consolation, Forest aren't exactly setting the world alight. They're languishing at the bottom of the Championship, and got thrashed 5-1 at Wolves.

firecracker
07-10-2008, 06:15
Remind me, didn't Spurs avoid relegation serveral years ago thanks to some very dubious referring decisions made on the final day of the season?

I seem to to recall Barnsley went down instead, much to my disappointment (hey, at least Baaaaarnsley are from South Yorkshire).

Well, you know what they say about serving revenge :)

Let's hope Spurs' run of bad form continues :thumbsup:
Barnsley were already relegated before the final match of that season. It was Everton who escaped the drop on goal difference, and Bolton the unlucky team.

firecracker
19-10-2008, 18:27
Well, it seems like they must be on for their worst start ever. Two points from eight games, and its Bolton next, followed by Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City.

Heyesey
19-10-2008, 18:37
I can't find out exactly how bad their 1912 start was: given that they only entered the league in 1909, that must be their current all-time record, unless it's already been beaten by this lot.

happyhippy
19-10-2008, 19:55
I can't find out exactly how bad their 1912 start was: given that they only entered the league in 1909, that must be their current all-time record, unless it's already been beaten by this lot.

Well it's not from the 1911/12 season, as they beat Wednesday 3-1 in their second match.

In the 1912/13 season, Tottenham gained their third point in a 3-3 draw with Aston Villa in their 8th match on 26th October.

That week's table (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1912-1913/table/1912-10-26)

They didn't win until their 13th match, a 1-0 win over Newcastle on 23rd November.

That week's table (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1912-1913/table/1912-11-23)

The final table that season is here. (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1912-1913/table)

Heyesey
19-10-2008, 20:01
So, as they're currently 2 points from 8 ... this is officially their worst start ever. :thumbsup:

happyhippy
19-10-2008, 20:05
So, as they're currently 2 points from 8 ... this is officially their worst start ever. :thumbsup:

Yup! Very good anorakky site that one :D

Suffragette1
19-10-2008, 21:28
Mr S is a very unhappy man.:( Combine that with Utd's defeat today where little Mr S was with his uncle this afternoon - we had a very sombre Sunday roast today.:(

scottishdude
20-10-2008, 08:46
The final table that season is here. (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1912-1913/table)

I suppose the only consolation in final table is that Arsenal and Chelsea finished below them with Arsenal being relegated!

Heyesey
20-10-2008, 12:07
I suppose the only consolation in final table is that Arsenal and Chelsea finished below them with Arsenal being relegated!


Arsenal were not Spurs' rivals in those days. They hadn't yet moved to Highbury.

scottishdude
20-10-2008, 14:14
Arsenal were not Spurs' rivals in those days. They hadn't yet moved to Highbury.

I thought you were an old b**ger, but not that old.:hihi::hihi:

happyhippy
20-10-2008, 23:23
Arsenal were not Spurs' rivals in those days. They hadn't yet moved to Highbury.

The rivalry only really began after Arsenal were elected to Division One (reportedly by, er, 'devious' methods) at Tottenham's expense in 1919 though.

*_ash_*
21-10-2008, 00:26
Well it's not from the 1911/12 season, as they beat Wednesday 3-1 in their second match.

In the 1912/13 season, Tottenham gained their third point in a 3-3 draw with Aston Villa in their 8th match on 26th October.

That week's table (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1912-1913/table/1912-10-26)

They didn't win until their 13th match, a 1-0 win over Newcastle on 23rd November.

That week's table (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1912-1913/table/1912-11-23)

The final table that season is here. (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1912-1913/table)
I was just reading this thread and enjoying reading Spurs demise.. :)

but, slightly off topic, and exceedingly geeky, that site is ace! :hihi:

happyhippy
21-10-2008, 01:53
I was just reading this thread and enjoying reading Spurs demise.. :)

but, slightly off topic, and exceedingly geeky, that site is ace! :hihi:

To say that it's exceedingly geeky is like saying that World War II was a minor skirmish between two countries with Baltic coastlines .... :hihi:

Motty would be finding it pornographic in the extreme :hihi:

firecracker
23-10-2008, 13:35
And looking at their first eight fixtures, 14 or so points on the board by now would have looked about par for the course before the season began, so this is the scale of their underachievement and the mess they're in. And losing the likes of Berbatov, Keane and Defoe certainly hasn't helped, and, not surprisingly, scoring goals has been their biggest problem.

Baz1
23-10-2008, 13:48
I've been a Spurs fan since the days of Ossie Ardillas and Villa and never stopped watching them since- despite the fact the we have had some disappointing seasons over the last few years.

One thing that is missing is stability. I would love to see a manager be given a real chance- even when it does look like things could not get worse. I did think M Jol was relieved of his duties way to soon and would have prefered to see him stay and get it right- like he is doing at Hamburg (to Spurs Board:P)

ANyway, lets hope Ramos DOES get it right in time- I am not fussed about the Uefa cup, I just want us climbing that table.

Thingything
23-10-2008, 18:53
Am watching them now on ch 5 in eufa cup,cannot believe how poor they are,Gareth Bale has been so poor i wouldnt even call him a sunday league player as he isnt good enough for that and Ledley King...at the moment i doubt if he would be able to spell football never mind play it
Gomez and Geovanni who came on as a sub are the only ones who deserve any credit
Taxi for Ramos

firecracker
23-10-2008, 19:11
Am watching them now on ch 5 in eufa cup,cannot believe how poor they are,Gareth Bale has been so poor i wouldnt even call him a sunday league player as he isnt good enough for that and Ledley King...at the moment i doubt if he would be able to spell football never mind play it
Santos and Geovanni who came on as a sub are the only ones who deserve any credit
Taxi for Ramos

And now Spurs have lost 2-0 against Udinese. And Bale certainly did have a nightmare.

Thingything
23-10-2008, 20:10
Have just seen replay of the first goal v spurs
forget what i said about gomez!!!

Heyesey
23-10-2008, 21:11
Have just seen replay of the first goal v spurs
forget what i said about gomez!!!

This is the trouble when your team can't score - as goalkeeper, you can make five brilliant saves and one stupid mistake, and your team goes down 1-0 because of your stupid mistake. Nobody blames the useless idiots who couldn't score at the other end; they just crucify you for dropping a clanger at yours.

(Okay, Udinese scored a second, but the point stands...)

scottishdude
23-10-2008, 22:31
So what's Portsmouth's excuse then? Until winning this years Intertoto cup, Braga haven't won anything for 10 years. Udinese on the other hand are presently sitting 2nd in the Italian Serie A.

Baz1
24-10-2008, 06:57
So what's Portsmouth's excuse then? Until winning this years Intertoto cup, Braga haven't won anything for 10 years. Udinese on the other hand are presently sitting 2nd in the Italian Serie A.

Portmouth excuse is that they have taken a number of ex Spurs players...

abbasinho
24-10-2008, 08:56
Spurs were always going to struggle last night - Udinese are sitting second in Serie A at the moment, only a couple of points behind Mourinho's Inter and are playing good football.

Gomes was always going to be an accident waiting to happen. Commoli should be fired on the basis of this signing alone. I've watched this guy play in goal for PSV in the Champions League and he's an absolute clown. How Commoli saw this guy as a better keeper than Robinson i'll never know. Robinson may have his faults, but in his prime I don't think there are too many better keepers in England. Plus there's plenty of keepers in the Prem who are far better than Gomes and would have cost far less - some of which don't even get games for their clubs... Ben Foster?? Carlo Cudicini?? - so why this idiot?

Baz1
24-10-2008, 15:17
Spurs were always going to struggle last night - Udinese are sitting second in Serie A at the moment, only a couple of points behind Mourinho's Inter and are playing good football.

Gomes was always going to be an accident waiting to happen. Commoli should be fired on the basis of this signing alone. I've watched this guy play in goal for PSV in the Champions League and he's an absolute clown. How Commoli saw this guy as a better keeper than Robinson i'll never know. Robinson may have his faults, but in his prime I don't think there are too many better keepers in England. Plus there's plenty of keepers in the Prem who are far better than Gomes and would have cost far less - some of which don't even get games for their clubs... Ben Foster?? Carlo Cudicini?? - so why this idiot?

Problem is we don't know who is telling the truth at the Lane anymore- I know Commoli has made some stupid buys or given his opinion on some (Younes Kaboul springs to mind for starters) but at the sametime, we get told that Ramos has the final say:confused: Surely he(Ramos) must have had a say on Modric,Pavlychenko,Bentley. I do think that Pavlychenko was a deadline day capture so may not have been an initial target. There is no spirit and everyone so far has a losing mentality- that has to be overcome asap!

Watching Gomez deal with that back pass was hilarious- he may be Massimo Taibi in disguise...

daftlad
24-10-2008, 17:10
Don't rate Gomes as a keeper at all and tomorrow it looks like most of the defence is injured, so it could well be another defeat. What is it about directors of football and the influence they have on the players picked to come to the club, I think they are more of a hinderence to a manager. It would be really good to see Spurs come down though. I wonder though if the premier league can stop it happening with them being a big club though, with some small team getting a points deduction for something really stupid. It would not surprise me

Thingything
25-10-2008, 23:52
Redknapp taking charge now Ramos has got the tin tack
Didn't see that one coming

igm1
25-10-2008, 23:53
Redknapp taking charge now Ramos has got the tin tack
Didn't see that one coming

Redknapp must be out of his mind.

I'd have stayed at Portsmouth.

Baz1
26-10-2008, 06:33
Its about time Comolli went. With everyone saying Ramos needs time, unfortunately you cant afford time in the Priemier League. Sad to see Poyet go, as I thought he did well for us as a coach & did well handling the media . Also Alveraz should not have left, due to him keeping all of the player's fit & healthy, and he did well with that responsibility.

Not sure about Redknapp as manager , it just doesnt fit right , i think he would have been better off at Portsmouth in my opinion, but you never know what could happen.:confused:

One thing he is good at and that is gettting the best out of players- players who lack in confidence; so he has his hands full then...that's 11 players!!!

firecracker
26-10-2008, 11:08
Redknapp must be out of his mind.

I'd have stayed at Portsmouth.
He probably thinks he's taken Portsmouth as far as he can, and that from now onwards its all downhill at Fratton Park.

Glamrock
26-10-2008, 12:20
Its about time Comolli went. With everyone saying Ramos needs time, unfortunately you cant afford time in the Priemier League. Sad to see Poyet go, as I thought he did well for us as a coach & did well handling the media . Also Alveraz should not have left, due to him keeping all of the player's fit & healthy, and he did well with that responsibility.

Not sure about Redknapp as manager , it just doesnt fit right , i think he would have been better off at Portsmouth in my opinion, but you never know what could happen.:confused:

One thing he is good at and that is gettting the best out of players- players who lack in confidence; so he has his hands full then...that's 11 players!!!
He knows what its like to be in a relegation dogfight,if anybody can get us out of this situation we are in ,its him Levy has finally opened his eyes and picked the best man for the job,if he can turn Tottenham seasons around he will be hailed at the lane and with the quality he has got in the squad who knows what he can achieve,He's always had to work with run of the mill players,lets see what he can do with real skill

Thingything
26-10-2008, 12:31
Personally i think Redknapps taken over so he can have his shot at the big time,unfortunatly it will take him time to get there and its debatable if Levy will give him the time needed,hope he does because Redknapp deserves it
And 5 mill compo for a manager,shows how much is floating around at the lane doesn't it

Baz1
26-10-2008, 14:56
He knows what its like to be in a relegation dogfight,if anybody can get us out of this situation we are in ,its him Levy has finally opened his eyes and picked the best man for the job,if he can turn Tottenham seasons around he will be hailed at the lane and with the quality he has got in the squad who knows what he can achieve,He's always had to work with run of the mill players,lets see what he can do with real skill

I like Rednapp personally, he seems an honest chap. One thing I think he can do is get best out of players as well as 'find' bargain players and make them greater (which I think is what Levy sees ££££££££££)...

Just don't know whether Harry has the drive and energy to turn it around for us- but I agree with you, it is a relegation battle and maybe there is no one better out there at the moment.

....could have been worse, Bryan Robson could have applied for the job.

Thingything
26-10-2008, 22:29
I like Rednapp personally, he seems an honest chap. One thing I think he can do is get best out of players as well as 'find' bargain players and make them greater (which I think is what Levy sees ££££££££££)...

Just don't know whether Harry has the drive and energy to turn it around for us- but I agree with you, it is a relegation battle and maybe there is no one better out there at the moment.

....could have been worse, Bryan Robson could have applied for the job.

No club could be that stupid to employ Robson:hihi::hihi::hihi:

scottishdude
26-10-2008, 23:10
Rednapp is good at getting clubs out of the poo but can only take them so far, as Portsmouth has proven. I think he took the Spurs job just to play the Super Hero again. One thing in his favour is that he wasn't that stupid enough to try for the Newcastle job. That would have been a bit like buying a ticket for the Titanic.

CockneyMafia
27-10-2008, 06:21
I think Claire (the Queen of the south) raised a very salient point in all this; what becomes of Portsmouth now?

Redknapp seemed to have the Midas touch there. Under Alan Perrin they were dreadful, and one can't help thinking that without a manager who knows, loves and nurtures the club, they could go into freefall.

I found his press conference refreshingly honest, though if I were a Pompey fan I would be extremely peed off right now, not least because Redknapp sees them as mere also rans to the club he has just taken over. Citing Spurs as a dream job envoked the usual tired cliches about 'sleeping giants' but on paper they have the capacity to be a solid top six side. Whether they can penetrat the 'big four' (sic) is another question entirely.

Redknapps appointment should come with a note of caution though. Spurs fans would do well to remember that Redknapp has a histroy of being extremely frivolous at times and taking bizzare gambles in the transfer market (Marco Boogers anyone) and in terms of managing realistic expectations, I cant see Spurs being anything other than they have been for the last 30 years - also rans to bigger and better clubs. Which is a touch ironic.

NEKRO138
27-10-2008, 09:08
Spurs offered Portsmouth £5 million for Redknapp, he said they couldn't have turned it down but I think that's cheap for a manager who has transformed the club.

Tricky
27-10-2008, 09:44
Spurs offered Portsmouth £5 million for Redknapp, he said they couldn't have turned it down but I think that's cheap for a manager who has transformed the club.

According to the Portsmouth Chairman, £5m was the cost of getting Redknapp and that cost was written into the contract. It was completely non-negotiable so Portsmouth couldn't have turned it down.

If anyone wants to know where Spurs went so horribly wrong, look no further than this article: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sam-wallace-an-extraordinary-tale-of-our-time-ndash-the-rise-and-fall-of-damien-comolli-974438.html

How on earth Comolli could persuade anyone that he was the man to take over Frank Arnesen's role is a mystery. Less mysterious is why Frank Arnesen would relinquish his job as Spurs' Director of Football to become Chelsea's (financed by multi billionaire Roman Abramovich) Youth Scout.

NEKRO138
27-10-2008, 09:50
According to the Portsmouth Chairman, £5m was the cost of getting Redknapp and that cost was written into the contract. It was completely non-negotiable so Portsmouth couldn't have turned it down.

If anyone wants to know where Spurs went so horribly wrong, look no further than this article: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sam-wallace-an-extraordinary-tale-of-our-time-ndash-the-rise-and-fall-of-damien-comolli-974438.html

How on earth Comolli could persuade anyone that he was the man to take over Frank Arnesen's role is a mystery. Less mysterious is why Frank Arnesen would relinquish his job as Spurs' Director of Football to become Chelsea's (financed by multi billionaire Roman Abramovich) Youth Scout.

I see. The BBC article I read on it wasn't very clear.

BasilRathbon
27-10-2008, 09:52
Didn't Redknapp walk out on Portsmouth before to save Southampton from relegation, fail miserably and return to Pompey with his tail between his legs? History repeating, maybe.....?

NEKRO138
27-10-2008, 09:55
Didn't Redknapp walk out on Portsmouth before to save Southampton from relegation, fail miserably and return to Pompey with his tail between his legs? History repeating, maybe.....?

That was all a bit odd. Yet when Newcastle offered him the job, probably with ridiculous amounts of money and a plane to training every day he decided to stay faithful to Portsmouth.

I can't knock him though, you just do what you think is best for your career at the time same as we would.

Tricky
27-10-2008, 10:04
That was all a bit odd. Yet when Newcastle offered him the job, probably with ridiculous amounts of money and a plane to training every day he decided to stay faithful to Portsmouth.

I can't knock him though, you just do what you think is best for your career at the time same as we would.

I think he's had a lot more connection with Spurs - His son is a former Captain, he did a large number of transfer deals with Spurs at West Ham and Portsmouth and he spent time there as a schoolboy. And it's in London given he has always played for and managed London or South Coast teams.

Baz1
27-10-2008, 13:20
According to the Portsmouth Chairman, £5m was the cost of getting Redknapp and that cost was written into the contract. It was completely non-negotiable so Portsmouth couldn't have turned it down.

If anyone wants to know where Spurs went so horribly wrong, look no further than this article: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sam-wallace-an-extraordinary-tale-of-our-time-ndash-the-rise-and-fall-of-damien-comolli-974438.html

How on earth Comolli could persuade anyone that he was the man to take over Frank Arnesen's role is a mystery. Less mysterious is why Frank Arnesen would relinquish his job as Spurs' Director of Football to become Chelsea's (financed by multi billionaire Roman Abramovich) Youth Scout.

Good article- all Comolli now needs is a red nose and he can join the circus!

What a clown. At least Levy has learnt a (expensive) lesson.

taxman
01-11-2008, 18:25
And now they've beaten Liverpool