Hi all,

A few days ago, a man (who I know of, but have never met) came round to my house as I was arriving home after dropping my youngest son off at school. He preceeded to threaten me with all kinds of things, tried to stop me getting into my house and wanted me to have a fight with him:loopy: . Now anyone who knows me understands I am a very peaceable person who will always walk away rather than have a confrontation. I managed to get passed him and into my house. He was heard by a neighbour threatening to kill me:help:

I rang the police after he had gone, to make a complaint about his threatening behaviour. They have been round this afternoon and I told them exactly what happened. The policeman was very re-assuring and told me that he would give this man a final warning which meant if he did it again, he would be arrested.

The officer duly went off to talk this man but returned 30 mins later and told me that this man had made a counter allegation against me, suggesting I was the aggressor:confused: .

Because of this, I also received a final warning:shocked: It has made me feel physically sick than someone can just make a counter allegation like this and so cause the complainant to become just as much a criminal as the aggressor. The policeman apologised and just said "Thats the law", he was very understanding and he knew that this other person was lying but his hands were tied.

I understand people who don't know me could say that I was lying, but why would I call the police in the first place.

Sorry for the rant but I feel terrible for being classed as an aggressive thug

That's mad! :mad:

You should get a character witness to say you're not like that! Have you got voice recorder on your phone or an mp3 player with voice recorder? I know it seems mad but if you turn it on in your pocket if he comes near you again, then you can use it as evidence that he's the agressor.

I know how you feel though. I had my phone stolen at school when I took my GCSEs and there's posters all over saying that 'phone crime will be punished' etc.etc. and they found the people who stole it, found my phone on them, and the CPS threw it out! So what message does that send out? 'hey go nick a phone, you won't get done for it!'

Originally posted by Scutts
He was heard by a neighbour threatening to kill me:help:


Did you give the police details of this witness?

If so, check with your witness that he/she has been interviewed by the police. If they haven't, send a written letter of complaint to the police over this omission (keep a copy of your complaint).

If you didn't inform the police of this witrness, do so now, and ask them to continue their enquiries.

I find it disturbing that a relative stranger to you should accost you in this way, and make these kind of threats. I think you took appropriate action by ringing the police. However, the police appear to be treating this incident as a dispute. You do not say if the police took a written statement from you. I am assuming they didn't - which would support my belief that they are treating this as a dispute between you and the other party.

Thus it seems to be that you have both been warned to keep the peace. Any repeat incident, and you could find that you are both charged with a breach of the peace.

You do not give any details of what this guy was haranguing you about. Was it a perceived slight, a one off matter, a cumulation of matters, a neighbour dispute, or just vague ramblings? This could be somebody with mental health problems.

Originally posted by Lotti
You should get a character witness to say you're not like that! Have you got voice recorder on your phone or an mp3 player with voice recorder? I know it seems mad but if you turn it on in your pocket if he comes near you again, then you can use it as evidence that he's the agressor.'

I've already thought of that, my phone which has a voice recorder will be in my hand if he comes round again.

Originally posted by redrobbo
Did you give the police details of this witness?

I told him a neighbours son heard him say it but the officer didn't make any comment.

Originally posted by redrobbo
However, the police appear to be treating this incident as a dispute. You do not say if the police took a written statement from you.

The officer did not take a written statement, but he said that if it happened again then a statement would be taken.

Originally posted by redrobbo
You do not give any details of what this guy was haranguing you about. Was it a perceived slight, a one off matter, a cumulation of matters, a neighbour dispute, or just vague ramblings? This could be somebody with mental health problems.

There is a link with him in that my fiancee used to work with his wife approx 2 years ago. She tried to get my fiancee sacked by accusing her of stealing from the shop that they worked in. The result was my fiancee had to move to another branch, and because of that, I haven't spoken to this woman for the past 2 years, deliberatly going out of my way to avoid her. The other connection is that their 11 year old son has been terrorising the local neighbours, including my children, with anti-social behaviour.

The man is not mentally sick - he's just a thug, probably why his son acts like he does

We had similar problems with a neighbours child 3 years ago!!

He was a bully, had no respect for peoples' property yet his father remarkably was a Policeman!!!

I could not believe that dispite the fathers occupation they had no control over their son who was aged 8 to 9 at the time!!

I was actually six months pregnant when this kid was on my drive taunting my children ..after repeated requests to go home and leave them well alone he started throwing stones at my kids just missing my car....!!

I grabbed him by the back of his jumper and 'frogmarched' him home.

To my utter amazement the father wasn't phased by his sons' behaviour but was incensed by mine!! He actually then reported ME for common assault to our local police!!

Thank Goodness after a visit from the local police no further action was taken!

Afterwards it became increasingly difficult for the family to live comfortably on our small cul-de-sac, nobody respected them, the other kids on the street didn't want to play with their kids and they moved out.

Last I heard of them they were moving yet again (2 years later) as the same problem had occurred at their new address!!


:rant:

I have also had problems with the police.

I was a victim of road rage a while ago and was forced off the road into a hedge as the car swerved into me on purpose. I got the registration number so reported it to the police. I was then given a sheet of paper to take the local police station to show my documents and they told me they would have a word with the driver.

So off I go with my documents to the police station only to be told they were going to take me to court as my drivers licence address was registered at my dads house. I even explained to the desk muppet I was a student. She didn't even care that I was the victim of attack :loopy:

Anyway after stressing out all weekend I rang the DVLA to enquire and they said as long as your drivers licence is at an address you can be contacted at it was fine.

Anyway by this point I was totally stressed out that I was going to have to go to court, so my partner rang back the police station and asked to speak to someone in authority and not the desk muppet and told them what the DVLA said. He was then told no further action would be taken.


I have learnt from all this is to never call the police for anything, your much better off being a victim rather than being prosecuted and being the victim.

Desk Muppets eh....the copper I was referring to was a Desk Sergeant !! :lol:

Originally posted by Scutts
I've already thought of that, my phone which has a voice recorder will be in my hand if he comes round again.

I told him a neighbours son heard him say it but the officer didn't make any comment.

The officer did not take a written statement, but he said that if it happened again then a statement would be taken.

There is a link with him in that my fiancee used to work with his wife approx 2 years ago. She tried to get my fiancee sacked by accusing her of stealing from the shop that they worked in. The result was my fiancee had to move to another branch, and because of that, I haven't spoken to this woman for the past 2 years, deliberatly going out of my way to avoid her. The other connection is that their 11 year old son has been terrorising the local neighbours, including my children, with anti-social behaviour.

The man is not mentally sick - he's just a thug, probably why his son acts like he does

Thanks for the info Scutts.

This guy probably has a hidden agenda relating to when your fiancee worked alongside his missus. Maybe the police talking to him will influence him to stay away from you in future?

Report specific anti-social behaviour committed by his 11 yr. old son to your local Shefield Homes office. They co-ordinate activities combatting anti-social behaviour. If he is only 11 now and causing neighbourhood worries, imagine what he's going to be like in a couple of years time when he's a teenager!

Originally posted by redrobbo
If he is only 11 now and causing neighbourhood worries, imagine what he's going to be like in a couple of years time when he's a teenager!

I've decided to keep a dairy of every incident involving this kid so it's all down in writing. The Officer that came today is going to get the local Community Officer to visit me to tell exactly what I should do to get something done about him.

This kids behaviour is very worrying because, as you say, if it's not checked now, what will he be capable of when he's older. One of the sad things is that when this man threatened me, his kid was in the car watching him. The next day, this kid was acting just like his dad and threatening my kids in the same way as his dad. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have kids :nono:

did you get a crime number or anything? or is it likely to be a non existant complaint when next you need the evidence ?

if you have a witness that heard him threaten to kill you that should be enough for the police to make a full investigation and indeed to prosecute.
If the police don't take this seriously (as they seem not to be doing) then make a complaint. Threatening behaviour is a crime and there is no provision in the law for warnings or final warnings, that's just nonsense.