View Full Version : Sheffield Racism - Four legs good, two legs bad


Tony
25-10-2003, 07:13
I've started a new thread 'cos I don’t think that this racism that seems quite prevalent in the Forum at the moment deserves separating from comments about a has-been boxers driving.

Isn't the point really not about the colour of skin - but to trying to understand that there are different cultures who behave in different manners, and often have different attitudes to things like family, business, youth, old age, etc.

For me, Arabic culture can be hard work.. but Israeli not so. I have more often than not found it impossible to do business with folk of Pakistani origin (I don't even try to understand the biraderi), but not Indian who are a usually pleasure. West cost Americans are often difficult, the East Coast feels very familiar.

You just can't say "ooo Asians". It's like "four legs good, two legs bad".

When you put these cultures into another (say UK, England, Yorkshire, Sheffield) people of both sides of the divide often find it difficult to adjust. That's when it gets to out and out racism.

These are all pairs that reside next door to each other. Think of it like Sheffield and Barnsley.
different

slimsid2000
15-04-2006, 13:18
Which has been boxer is this? If it is the one who is about to do a spot of penal servitude for driving so badly he almost killed a man then I say lock him up.

It has nothing to do with race but some people (black, white whatever) are a menace on the roads.

riptony
15-04-2006, 13:22
slimside why do you dig up 3yr old threads all the time? you did it the otherday i noticed

slimsid2000
15-04-2006, 13:38
Why not? What is wrong with updating old threads that newer members will probably not have seen.

riptony
15-04-2006, 13:42
Why not? What is wrong with updating old threads that newer members will probably not have seen.

because they're out of date dum****

tony said 'recent racism' ............ that was 3yrs old. dumb ****wit

ANVIL
15-04-2006, 13:44
wasn't it tony who first referred to the boxer, and not slimsid? :confused:

peterw
15-04-2006, 13:49
slimside why do you dig up 3yr old threads all the time? you did it the otherday i noticed

If some threads are three years old, what are they doing here? Surely after all that time they should be taken off? I admit, I trawl through regularly but never look at the dates. Perhaps I should!

slimsid2000
15-04-2006, 13:52
because they're out of date dum****

tony said 'recent racism' ............ that was 3yrs old. dumb ****wit

You are clearly a man who is full of wit.

upinwath
15-04-2006, 13:53
For me, Arabic culture can be hard work.. but Israeli not so. I have more often than not found it impossible to do business with folk of Pakistani origin (I don't even try to understand the biraderi), but not Indian who are a usually pleasure. West cost Americans are often difficult, the East Coast feels very familiar.

I have had the same in business.
Most of the business with pakisanni/arab people has gone sour while indians have been fine.
I have done lots of business with chinese with no problems at all.
If fact I would go further and say they have been a pleasure to deal with.
The only jews I have come accross in business were orthodox and were gits of the first order but that's only one experience and so too little to go on.

I had a conversation with a pakistanni bloke about this a while back and her thoughts were quite close to mine. Don't trust the buggers as they do business in a way we would consider poor.
Just the culture I suppose but business is business so it's still cash up front when I am asked to work for them.
I can't afford to be PC when it's a matter of cash.

riptony
15-04-2006, 13:54
You are clearly a man who is full of wit.

and judging from the response to all your posts........you are cearly the jokeshop of this forum


but hey.....any attention is good attention right?

slimsid2000
15-04-2006, 14:00
riptony - I am having a passionate affair with several of the Owlettes - are you?

JoeP
15-04-2006, 14:09
because they're out of date dum****

tony said 'recent racism' ............ that was 3yrs old. dumb ****wit

It is possible to point things out without resorting to swearing.

Please do so in future.

Thanks.

riptony
15-04-2006, 14:12
riptony - I am having a passionate affair with several of the Owlettes - are you?

oh right, wow. did thet resond on this thread http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=103817

riptony
15-04-2006, 14:54
like i said, any attention........

spyro2000
15-04-2006, 14:56
oh right, wow. did thet resond on this thread http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=103817

like i said, any attention........


So true you had to say it twice?

riptony
15-04-2006, 14:57
So true you had to say it twice?

lol mate, changed it now

Duffer
15-04-2006, 15:27
You are clearly a man who is full of wit.

haha!! :D

Could you be any dryer sid????

slimsid2000
15-04-2006, 15:28
haha!! :D

Could you be any dryer sid????

Not even if I tried.:D :cool:

4Colour
15-04-2006, 15:28
Well even if this is 3 years old it goes to show one individual's drving has been bad for some time ;)

Bartfarst
18-04-2006, 09:54
Isn't the point really not about the colour of skin - but to trying to understand that there are different cultures who behave in different manners, and often have different attitudes to things like family, business, youth, old age, etc.

Is it not also the case that people over-react to criticism of cultures that are difficult to deal with, and cry 'racism' whenever anybody dares question the way that some of these cultures continue to uphold antiquated lifestyles and moral codes which do not comply with our form of democracy?

Tony
18-04-2006, 11:23
Errr, does that not miss the whole point of my original post? :huh:

youwhatref
18-04-2006, 14:15
I've started a new thread 'cos I don’t think that this racism that seems quite prevalent in the Forum at the moment deserves separating from comments about a has-been boxers driving.

Isn't the point really not about the colour of skin - but to trying to understand that there are different cultures who behave in different manners, and often have different attitudes to things like family, business, youth, old age, etc.

For me, Arabic culture can be hard work.. but Israeli not so. I have more often than not found it impossible to do business with folk of Pakistani origin (I don't even try to understand the biraderi), but not Indian who are a usually pleasure. West cost Americans are often difficult, the East Coast feels very familiar.

You just can't say "ooo Asians". It's like "four legs good, two legs bad".

When you put these cultures into another (say UK, England, Yorkshire, Sheffield) people of both sides of the divide often find it difficult to adjust. That's when it gets to out and out racism.

These are all pairs that reside next door to each other. Think of it like Sheffield and Barnsley.
different

Tony, a very good post pity that most of the first two pages haven't really touched on your point.

I often feel that ppl have cultural difficulties rather than colour difficulties. As ppl (myself included) can have issues with issues and behaviours from someone who is not white then they/we are deemed racist. It has sod all to do with colour and the sooner ppl come to understand that the better.

Because in my line of work i am unable to differentiate between Indians/Pakistanis visually i cant comment on your post between the two. I just see behaviours completley differently.

buck
18-04-2006, 14:58
I've started a new thread 'cos I don’t think that this racism that seems quite prevalent in the Forum at the moment deserves separating from comments about a has-been boxers driving.

Isn't the point really not about the colour of skin - but to trying to understand that there are different cultures who behave in different manners, and often have different attitudes to things like family, business, youth, old age, etc.

For me, Arabic culture can be hard work.. but Israeli not so. I have more often than not found it impossible to do business with folk of Pakistani origin (I don't even try to understand the biraderi), but not Indian who are a usually pleasure. West cost Americans are often difficult, the East Coast feels very familiar.

You just can't say "ooo Asians". It's like "four legs good, two legs bad".

When you put these cultures into another (say UK, England, Yorkshire, Sheffield) people of both sides of the divide often find it difficult to adjust. That's when it gets to out and out racism.

These are all pairs that reside next door to each other. Think of it like Sheffield and Barnsley.
different I wonder where you have visited on the west coast of America. I have always found the people of Northern California, Oregon, and Washington State very pleasant in all, and I have spent considerable time there. I have lived on the East Coast for nearly thirty years, and can assure you New York City has more than its share of grouches, along with coastal New England where we're famous for being hard to know.

Bartfarst
18-04-2006, 15:35
I wonder where you have visited on the west coast of America. I have always found the people of Northern California, Oregon, and Washington State very pleasant in all, and I have spent considerable time there. I have lived on the East Coast for nearly thirty years, and can assure you New York City has more than its share of grouches, along with coastal New England where we're famous for being hard to know.


I think perhaps we Brits tend to be able to communicate more freely with people from the East Coast - our sarcasm and humour aren't as lost as they are on the West Coast types.

Then again, I regularly visit Arkansas - almost another planet!!

Leg-end
18-04-2006, 15:53
I had a conversation with a pakistanni bloke about this a while back and her thoughts were quite close to mine.

Now thats just harsh!

alevans
18-04-2006, 18:42
Now thats just harsh!
I'm not sure that the Orwell anology works, Orwell was using many different four legged creatures against a common foe, man. There is nobody today to take the single role of man, unless its the USA of course and that just doesnt work, USA has more allies than enemies. There is a strong argument that the role of Man in Animal Farm could well be Islam rather than the west.

Waffer
18-04-2006, 18:45
Can i say .......there is nothing wrong with a good race

buck
18-04-2006, 23:57
I think perhaps we Brits tend to be able to communicate more freely with people from the East Coast - our sarcasm and humour aren't as lost as they are on the West Coast types.

Then again, I regularly visit Arkansas - almost another planet!!
I do have to agree that west coasters are somewhat different. They seem much more concerned with how things appear,maybe its the Hollywood image. Never visited Arkansas, one of the few states I haven't. But I'm familiar with the rest of the south, I worked in Savanna, Georgia and in Alabama where they are still fighting the civil war verbally. I was just finishing my stint in Savannah one year when the NY Yankees were in the world series against Atlanta Braves and the Braves were wiinning hands down. So I got a ton of ribbing. However the Yanks won the series on the last game. The phone call I made to Savannah was one of my most enjoyable. I never mentioned that I was a Boston Redsox fan!